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Speaker 1: Within every new administration, they're always looking to do big things.

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Speaker 1: This administration, one of their big things they want to

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Speaker 2: We have so much land and we want to put

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Speaker 1: So we're going to have land release and on that

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Speaker 1: housing building. Well, guess what that might be a problem

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Speaker 1: for the people in the areas that they want to

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Speaker 1: put these homes. Today we welcome Braxon McCoy, former VET

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Speaker 1: Purple Heart recipient and author, who's going to talk about

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Speaker 1: what that could look like to the local cultures. This

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Speaker 1: is the David Rutherford Show. There's not many cats out

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Speaker 1: on the internet the interwebs that are are are talking

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Speaker 1: as much truth as our guest today. And if you

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Speaker 1: know anything about him, if you've ever seen them on

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Speaker 1: the Jocko Willing podcast or you've seen some of his

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Speaker 1: great video is on YouTube. Man, what I always recommend

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Speaker 1: is just follow him on x He's probably one of

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Speaker 1: the guys that I follow most. Pay attention to what

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Speaker 1: he's saying. Why because he talks from the heart and

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Speaker 1: it's truthful and Also he's a g wat savage like

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Speaker 1: I am. So ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, mister Braxon, McCoy, Braxon, man,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: This is in particularly around this topic. This is a

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Speaker 3: big deal for me. So I'm just glad. Anyway, anyone

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Speaker 3: who will listen, I will holler at on this one.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is let's just get into it. I mean, so,

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Speaker 1: you know, the HUD secretary and and you know another

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Speaker 1: one of the Trump officials came out a little bit ago.

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Speaker 1: They posted this crazy article in the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 1: where they were talking about wanting to build seven million

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Speaker 1: new homes on federal land. Why does that insent you

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Speaker 1: as much as it does, brother, h Well, there's.

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Speaker 2: A few there's a few things at play here.

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Speaker 3: For first of all, I just don't want you to

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people from other states don't

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Speaker 3: realize how fragile these Mountain West states are. I mean,

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Speaker 3: they're they're high land mass, low population density.

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Speaker 3: So so let's take Wyoming for example. There's about five

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Speaker 3: or six hundred thousand people in Wyomen. You move one

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Speaker 3: culturally now, I mean, these are my people.

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Speaker 2: I grew up here.

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Speaker 3: I'm if any thing. I am a man of the

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Speaker 2: You know, so.

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Speaker 1: That's fucking awesome.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know which one I hated worse, to

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Speaker 1: I'm willing to bet it was Salt Lake man. Not no,

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Speaker 1: I So obviously I think, in my opinion, a lot

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Speaker 3: I haven't verified this, but I've read that eighty percent,

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Speaker 1: how when was he out there first? And like how

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Speaker 3: But you parked it on mule your habitat and winter range.

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Speaker 3: to me. But back to the original point. They haven't

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Speaker 2: It's propped up by our bullshit economy.

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Speaker 3: These people can have a tech job where they're working

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Speaker 2: I don't know how.

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Speaker 3: To pick on anybody, and then they get a remote

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Speaker 2: You know that.

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Speaker 3: I believe, personally, I believe most of the growth in

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Speaker 2: Which one of those places has gotten better for locals?

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Speaker 3: Number One, I care about my culture, right, and so

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Speaker 3: anything that damages my culture I view as a bad thing.

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Speaker 3: This libertarianism is a cancer in my view, that is

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Speaker 1: I care about why why libertarianism in particular.

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Speaker 2: Because their number go up everything.

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Speaker 3: The measure of a good and healthy society is a

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Speaker 3: So culture is big to me. I really care. I

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Speaker 3: So if you use about thirty five hundred and acre average,

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Speaker 2: It's completely fucking made up. It's not real.

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Speaker 3: If you sold it all off at fair market, it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, they're lying, and so you have to it

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Speaker 3: The reason we run allotments that are fifty one hundred

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Speaker 3: So it's not These people are just they don't even

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Speaker 3: And this is where I would like to see, okay,

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Speaker 2: Is that a good thing? You know?

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Speaker 3: Now you've got three million people worshiping Vishnu in Utah.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, I'm not a sucker anymore, you know,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what happens, you know, you go

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Speaker 1: And so what are the things? Is that are the

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Speaker 2: I've spoke to him in his office in DC.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he likes me very much, but uh,

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Speaker 2: And my my.

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Speaker 3: My culture and my land and my heritage is non

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Speaker 2: So that's my starting point.

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Speaker 3: big part of the problem. But another thing that's driving

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00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 3: this nihilism is because these kids are watching themselves be replaced,

434
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 3: they're watching it happen.

435
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: And they're being conditioned to believe it's a good thing.

436
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 1: That's what kills me. That's what kills me. Is like

437
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: wait and and and again. I you know, it's real

438
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: easy to go and you know, point the finger, well

439
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: this is going, this is going, and this is going,

440
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 1: you know, And like I look at the way my

441
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: kids are being taught, and I look at the way

442
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: American history is being aught to them too, and it's

443
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 1: shocking to me. And so every time I said, all right,

444
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 1: what do you studying in history? And they come back

445
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: and you know, the Chinese are responsible for building the railroads,

446
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, or or you know what the

447
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: American you know, the American pilgrimage West, all that all

448
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: they're responsible for is is killing Native Americans. I'm just

449
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 1: like you start to go, wait a minute, all right,

450
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: so when's the when's the part where oh no, these

451
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 1: people actually built the foundation not only of how to

452
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,719
Speaker 1: survive in these places, right, but how to make it

453
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: useful and how to contribute to the culture of what

454
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: America became known as.

455
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: Right.

456
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, every I don't give it. I

457
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: don't give a damn. In my generation, when you're growing up,

458
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: what do you want to do? You want to play

459
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: army man. You want to play cowboys and Indians, right,

460
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: And I grew up in the most non you know,

461
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: tough place on a planet, so like it was, it

462
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: was even more meaningful me for you know, for me

463
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: to want to pretend that I was part of this,

464
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: you know, this this savage culture out there that that

465
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: grinded it out in the midst of of of of

466
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: the wild West.

467
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: Man.

468
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what was inspiring to me. I mean,

469
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: I think it was a major component for me wanting

470
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: to serve, for me believing in America. How do you start?

471
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: How do we re engage the next this younger generation

472
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: and get them to say that they do get knocked

473
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 1: off that that coal, and to pick them up and say,

474
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: all I get back on son, like, what do you think?

475
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 1: What do we do?

476
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 3: You have to do it in your house first, But

477
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 3: more broadly, I would say, we need, uh, we we

478
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 3: need to just reinvigorate.

479
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 2: We already have enough, miss. We just need to reinvigorate them.

480
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 3: Kids need to know about Daniel Boone and David Crockett, uh,

481
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 3: and they need to know out guys like Oliver Loving

482
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 3: and good Night and again I saw a grown man

483
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 3: the other day. And I'm not picking on him, but

484
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 3: he made a comment to me. He said, uh, well,

485
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 3: Idaho falls in Montana and from Idaho falls up became

486
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 3: that way because of people like Gus and Woodrow from

487
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 3: you know, from the movie right or the book. Then

488
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 3: not really fantastic, but uh, that was patterned off of

489
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 3: good Night and Loving, you know. And that was from

490
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 3: South Texas to New Mexico through through Commanche and Apache country.

491
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: Right. They didn't that wasn't didn't go to Montana. That's

492
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: a movie, man, you know. I'm not saying nobody did it, but.

493
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 3: That largely the cattle industry was going, uh for a

494
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 3: while anyway, was going to railroads from from the north

495
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 3: southward and from the south northward.

496
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: Right.

497
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 3: So anyway, the point of bringing that up is to say,

498
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Speaker 3: we've got grown men that don't know their myths, you know,

499
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 3: and these people are real. John Colter is a real guy,

500
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, he's needed in hell. He came

501
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 3: out just to choose one John Colter. This guy signs

502
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 3: up for the Grand Expedition with Meriwether, Lewis and Company. Right,

503
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 3: they go out and have what could be argued one

504
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 3: of the greatest adventures that any men have ever in history.

505
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 3: I mean, it's an incredible story. He goes out, does that,

506
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 3: gets back to Saint Louis and goes, you know what,

507
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 3: I'm fucking going back over there, you know. So he

508
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 3: gets one dude and goes up to Blackfoot country in Montana.

509
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 3: And for anybody who's not from this area, the Blackfeet

510
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 3: were like our comanches. They were killing sobs man, they

511
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 3: were not messing around. So he goes up there with

512
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 3: one other dude and you know, traps all these beavers

513
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 3: and he's coming back with their boats full of beavers,

514
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: and these Blackfeet are standing on the side of the

515
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 3: river and they say, hey, come over here, buddy, and

516
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 3: Coulter decides to paddle in, and he's like, I'm dead

517
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 3: if I stay out. They're gonna kill me if I

518
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 3: stay out, so I might as well go. Try to negotiate. Yeah,

519
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: his buddy says, piss off, piss up a rope. I'm

520
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 3: gonna stay on my boat, and they kill him. So

521
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 3: he watches his buddy die and then they strip colt

522
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 3: Or naked and they say, okay, here's your chance to

523
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 3: get away. They pick you know, how good can you run?

524
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: And he's like, I can't run for shit, and they're like,

525
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 3: well run anyway.

526
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: You know, he lied. He actually could run real good.

527
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 3: But so he runs, takes off, you know, and he

528
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 3: runs until his nose is bleeding, that's how exasperated he is.

529
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 3: And then this Indian catches up to him, trips, breaks

530
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: his lance. Colter picks up the broken lance, kills the

531
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 3: Indian that was trying to kill him, naked, all this

532
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: with his pecker flop roked, you know, and then he

533
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 3: jumps in the river and hides in a beaver dam.

534
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: You know, he swims up into a beaver dam, hides

535
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: he can hear these blackfeet going around him all night,

536
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 3: you know, a circle and looking for him.

537
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: Waits that out. Can you imagine how effing cold a

538
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: freaking beaver dam.

539
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 3: Would be the whole, you know, So he hides in there,

540
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 3: and then he gets out and he hikes his ass

541
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: to you know, the nearest army out post, and then

542
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 3: you know, uh is back in civilization.

543
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: This way.

544
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 3: Then this crazy son of a bitch goes to Saint

545
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 3: Louis and he rounds up eighteen more guys and goes

546
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: back and then they all get killed and he finally says,

547
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: you know what, I've had enough.

548
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: I need to check myself.

549
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. So we the myths are there, we just need

550
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: to teach them to our kids.

551
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: I would argue, if you ask somebody in our generation

552
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 3: to define, uh, just in single words, define an American,

553
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: they're gonna use stuff like, you know, self reliance and

554
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 3: you know, hard working and this kind of all of

555
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: those parts of what we use to define an American.

556
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 3: Ass We're born out of the pioneers in the Frontier.

557
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: It's not the revolution, not that the revolution wasn't important,

558
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: it's we defined ourselves out here, and so we just

559
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 3: need to teach this stuff to our That's what we

560
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: have to do. But you can't teach them to be

561
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 3: proud of themselves when they go to in their ancestry,

562
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 3: when they go to kindergarten in some whale with green

563
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: hair and a fucking septum piercing, it's telling them that

564
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 3: their grandpa was a racist asshole who killed Indidans.

565
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: You know, you can't.

566
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: That doesn't work, man. I think that that contradiction is

567
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: just right for all kinds of conflict. But I you know,

568
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: the way I feel about it now is I'm I'm

569
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm about done with it though, Like I my whole

570
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: thing is. And even man, even just the legends of

571
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: our friends coming out of what we went through over

572
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: the last you know, twenty twenty plus years, even those

573
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: have been you know, almost muted, and those have been

574
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: erased or those have been you know, throttled if you will,

575
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: via online expression. You know, even just those so like

576
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: guys like Joco that have these great uh interviews about

577
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: the matthe Sa guys or you know, or the stuff

578
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: that Sean Ryan's doing with bringing on dudes who telling

579
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: their life history about how they were inspired to you know,

580
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: allow that innate, couraging them as men to come out

581
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: and join these these units and do go do this?

582
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: Have these adventures not in or lands but overseas. Now

583
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: Mann even that you can see like there's a gravitational

584
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: pull from this young consciousness that's out there. They just

585
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: don't know where to redirect it. They don't know, well,

586
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: what do I do to go reinforce this? Do I

587
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: do I join back in the military and go to

588
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: some war in Ukraine or in Iran whatever they're gonna

589
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: flare up next, or or where do I go? So

590
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, what do you tell in Braxton? What do

591
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: you tell the young men you cross pass? Because I

592
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: know you're you're willing to do it, and I know

593
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen you know, I've seen the way

594
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: you talk online and almost as this trying to provoke

595
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: those thoughts. So you know, where do you tell a

596
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: sixteen year old kid right now how to go man up?

597
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: As far as the should I join the military question,

598
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: I'd say if you're if you're even asking yourself whether

599
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 3: you should or not, probably not. Even when I I

600
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 3: didn't understand enlisting when there was no wartified you know,

601
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: not that I'm picking on anybody, but that just my

602
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: mindset was, I didn't know why you would join if

603
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 3: there wasn't. You know, it's it's to fight wars. That's

604
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 3: why you've signed up for the military, at least in

605
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: my head. So if you're asking the question, then probably not. Uh.

606
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: If you're in dire financial straits and you feel like.

607
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: This could do something you know good for you, then

608
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 3: maybe so maybe so you know, go, But if you

609
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: do it, I would suggest, like go through you know,

610
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: sign up on liking ith an s F contract or

611
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: a ranger or something.

612
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: Go all the way if you're gonna do it would be.

613
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: And I wasn't one of those things, you know, And

614
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: that's I regret not signing up on a contract like that.

615
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: I think about it all the time.

616
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: So I think you've got a fair dose. Anyways, brother,

617
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: I tabled. Bro. I mean you got like you signed

618
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: up and you got the full gambit. Brother.

619
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I got a little over there.

620
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: But as far as like how to man up, uh,

621
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: I would say, find a church that you like and

622
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 3: that's not gay, Please please God, do not go to

623
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: a Methodist church for example. You know, if you see

624
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: a woman preaching or damn rainbow on the sign, avoid

625
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: that like the plague. I would say, find a church

626
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: and start thinking about family, and that's that's the way

627
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: to go. My my grandfather was a marine, but his

628
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: family is what mattered him. And when I think of

629
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: him as a man, I think of him as a grandpa.

630
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 3: So what it means to be a man again, I

631
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 3: make I went out hide the fact that I'm a Christian.

632
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 3: So what I see as a man is a guy

633
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 3: who tries to raise a good family and his family oriented.

634
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 3: So start doing those kind of things. If you're entrepreneurial,

635
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: get after it.

636
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:21,959
Speaker 2: Man.

637
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 3: There's there's some opportunity out there. And if and I

638
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: pick on the tech guys, everyone's a while. But I'm

639
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 3: just doing it as a goof. I've got lots of

640
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 3: friends in tech. If if you're a smart kid with

641
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: some idea for some damn widget or app or whatever

642
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 3: it might be, do it, man, go for it. Yeah, dude,

643
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 3: I got a buddy who's invented this program. He's probably

644
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 3: about to be filthy ass rich, you know, and he's

645
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: like a blue collar guy. He's just really smart and

646
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 3: he taught himself out of code. And so you know,

647
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 3: if you're entrepreneurial, start looking into those kind of things.

648
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Speaker 3: If you're more like me and you just can't get

649
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Speaker 3: cowboy and at out of your blood, call me because

650
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 3: I need somebody to ride colts.

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Speaker 2: I'm two bucks that up at these point this point,

652
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Speaker 2: But I can teach you how to do it.

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00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, if you're more like me, seek out

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Speaker 3: the adventure that you want, go find it, but make

655
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Speaker 3: sure family is the goal.

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Speaker 2: In the end, I would say.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I love that all right. Just to

658
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Speaker 1: kind of close the chapter on the main reason we

659
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Speaker 1: wanted to get you on, and man, I feel like

660
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: I could sit down with you for days and talk. Man,

661
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: what what what can the locals? What can the people

662
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: of Utah and New Mexico and Arizona and Nevada and Montana, Idaho?

663
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: What can they do collectively to really kind of uh,

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Speaker 1: first and foremost from a positive aspect, prop up their culture,

665
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: prop up their manifest destiny right of of who they are,

666
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: why they're there in the first place. And then what

667
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: would you recommend them try and do? Politically?

668
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: Man, it sucks because politics is.

669
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 3: Boring and gay, but you have to get involved at

670
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 3: the local level, and primaries are the ticket in these places.

671
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 3: I would almost I've said this other other places, but

672
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 3: I would almost rather you vote in the primary and

673
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 3: not in the general election than vice versa. A lot

674
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 3: of these primaries, especially at the local level, can be

675
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 3: swung by ten freaking votes, man, So figure out who

676
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 3: you want in there, and once that, if you live

677
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: anywhere like I do, once there's an R next to

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00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 3: the guy's name, he's winning.

679
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: It ain't gonna matter. You know.

680
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: Ninety five freaking percent of the district is going to

681
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 3: vote for the R. So start voting in primaries, especially

682
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Speaker 3: for your sheriff. Pay pay if you live out here.

683
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 3: Pay very special attention to who your sheriff is. They

684
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 3: have enormous power, enormous power like the Bundee Branch thing.

685
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 3: I don't even want to go too deep into it

686
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: because there's so much there. But as the sheriff pertains

687
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: to this, a county just to the north of them

688
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: in Utah called Iron County where Cedar City is. The

689
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 3: Iron County sheriff come out while that was happening and

690
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 3: he said, well, I can tell you one thing. This

691
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Speaker 3: ship would not happen in my county because I wouldn't

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00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: let the FEDS in, you know, at least not fed

693
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Speaker 3: law enforcement. And they have those powers in these places.

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Speaker 3: So pay very special attention to who your your county

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Speaker 3: sheriff is. If you like guns, make friends with your

696
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Speaker 3: county sheriff and you'll probably be fine, you know.

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Speaker 1: So we got a lot of that in Florida, thank god. Man.

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Speaker 1: I mean one thing about Florida, man is he's got

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Speaker 1: a peace on him right and and our sheriffs are

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Speaker 1: actively what I love is they are actively promoting, you know, uh,

701
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: to stand your ground. If you know what I mean

702
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: and and and deliver to hate if if if you

703
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: get crossed and they're they're they're promoting that, and I

704
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: think what you're seeing, as you're seeing our crime rates

705
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: drop dramatically as a result of that. And so I

706
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: really love that advice. For sure, what what what's.

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Speaker 2: Don't figure I got one more.

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Speaker 1: I got to say, yeah, sorry, don't figure out.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm sorry for interrupting you. Uh, but this

710
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 3: one's really important for people in the West. If you

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00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: can get on your planning and zoning board, get on

712
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 3: your fucking planning and zoning board. Because if they want

713
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 3: to put a down micro trip factory in Idaho Falls,

714
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: the Planning and Zoning board has to approve that. So

715
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 3: if you can get on there and be like, no,

716
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: we just we're not going to improve this because we

717
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: don't want twenty five thousand people brought in here from California.

718
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Speaker 3: So get on that if you can.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I didn't know that's that's that's absolutely genius right there, man.

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00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: I just I love that's that sound advice. It's actionable advice,

721
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: and it really is powerful. You know, I think we

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00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: kind of wrapped it up right here. Obviously we're gonna

723
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a little bit more for Patreon account

724
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: after we hang up here. But uh, you know where

725
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: can people pay attention to you? Where can they obviously

726
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: go get your book The Glass, which man, I'm really

727
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: looking forward to to reading that I'm downloading as soon

728
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: as we hop off here. You know, where can they

729
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: find you? Braxton? And and and what do you got

730
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: coming up? That's that's important for you? And and what

731
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: your initiatives are?

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Speaker 3: Braximccoy dot com is where you can get the book.

733
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 3: I have an Instagram, but I don't really use it,

734
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: so x is the easiest place to find me. But

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Speaker 3: you know I might irritate you, just so be forlorned.

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Speaker 1: No, it's my I'm telling you. It's in my top

737
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Speaker 1: five accounts to follow. Bro. It was crazy. I don't

738
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Speaker 1: know how I got linked to you, but it's like

739
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: all of a sudden I saw it and it's just

740
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: like your spot on man, and and you do it

741
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: and you don't have to go on these crazy like

742
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: thread like our twenty five threads. Man, the house seat

743
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: you are and now like it's piercing man when you

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00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 1: when you light people up there for sure, dude, Thank you. Yeah,

745
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: and it's just it's such a privilege to have you

746
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 1: on and I just really thank.

747
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Speaker 2: You a lot. Oh no, thank you man.

748
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: And if you're in the Mountain West, we just stood

749
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: up a Mountain West news show my buddy Patrick can I,

750
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 3: so you can listen to that. It's called Rocky Mountain

751
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 3: Radio wherever you get your podcasts.

752
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: Sorry, awesome, Rocky Mountain Radio. And all you got to do,

753
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: Brax and McCoy Rocky Mountain Radio to file for sure. Man, awesome.

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00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: Well again, dude, thank you so much. And if I

755
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: see the next issue pop up, man, I just would

756
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: really love to have you come back on. I love

757
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: your wisdom, I love the way you think, and most importantly,

758
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: I love how proud you are of your culture. It's

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00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: critical for us.

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Speaker 2: Thanks brother, anytime.

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00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: Well, when you listen to Braxton McCoy, the reality is

762
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: you hear a man that speaks from his heart, regardless

763
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: of whether or not you believe everything he says. Regardless

764
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: or not he might be offended by anything he says,

765
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: uh in his own worlds, he doesn't give a damn.

766
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 1: He's going to speak the truth. Why because he feels

767
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: like his culture is under a sault. He feels like

768
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: the generations of his forefathers that have come before him

769
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: that they're under a sault. And quite frankly, there's a

770
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 1: part of me that that that that understands that, right,

771
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, probably not as deep as his, because you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm a root. My family's originally from Michigan, which is

773
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: before that, originally from the East Coast. I have a

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00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of Rutherfords that are from the Appalachians, and

775
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, and I live in South Florida. So for me,

776
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: you know that that the intensity and the depth of

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00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: that culture might not be as substantial as what he

778
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: was expressing. But I I definitely understand where he's coming

779
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 1: from and I want to respect that as we should

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00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: for most people in their cultures, right because culture takes

781
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: time to evolve. I think one of the grand things

782
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: that we always think about in this world is is,

783
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: or we don't think enough about now, is the power

784
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: of culture and how long it takes and to build

785
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: a good culture, to build a culture that you know,

786
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: and no culture is perfect by any stretch, that's for sure.

787
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: We all know that. If you if you actually look

788
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: at the real histories of cultures around the world. But

789
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: what we do know is that without cultures, without these

790
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: trials and tribulations, cultures fade away pretty rapidly. And if

791
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: you look at at the whole concept behind this federal

792
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: lands approach to relieve the the impact of of of

793
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: how expensive housing is and how difficult it is for

794
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: young people and and and people that don't particularly have

795
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: the most marketable skill sets. How come they can't go

796
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: into new homes? How can't they be homeowners? And and

797
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: if I mean, when when we look at the last

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Speaker 1: fiasco that took place under the political drive to make

799
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Speaker 1: sure that everybody should own a home right back in

800
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: Dodd Frank and where that got us right into the

801
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: housing crisis of the subprime fiasco. You know, is this

802
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: is this similar? Is this a political ploy? Is this

803
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: a political idea in order to garner uh, you know points,

804
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: if you will, to drive people, uh to get behind

805
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: all the other initiatives themselves. Now again, you know, I

806
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: referenced this Wall Street Journal opinion page at the beginning

807
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Speaker 1: of the interview with Braxton, And if if you're not

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00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: familiar with this, the title of this interview was called

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00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: Federal Lands Can be Home suite home. Now, this was

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Speaker 1: authored by the US Department of Housing and Urban Development,

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Speaker 1: the HUD Secretary Scott Turner, and the Department of an

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00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: Interior Secretary Doug Bergham, and it was published mid March

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. Now, what it essentially assesses is

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Speaker 1: that there's a seven million million shortage and affordable homes

815
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Speaker 1: from people. And then what it says is the government

816
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: is in charge of about five hundred million acres twenty

817
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,959
Speaker 1: eight percent of total US lands. So what's the big deal.

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Speaker 1: Let's take let's scratch out a couple of these places,

819
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: and let's build this low income housing, and let's let's

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Speaker 1: give these people a shot at the American dream, which

821
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Speaker 1: is what home ownership is at its core. I think

822
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Speaker 1: it always had, well, maybe not always, but certainly since

823
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Speaker 1: post Industrial Revolution and especially post World War Two, right

824
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: where we saw the explosion of suburbs initiated, you know,

825
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: starting out in Long Island and then really spreading across

826
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Speaker 1: the country to be able to get out of these

827
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Speaker 1: city centers, have a nice piece of land, build a home,

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Speaker 1: buy a home, and build this lifestyle to create what

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00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: a beautiful local culture that's sustainable. And I think it's

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Speaker 1: it's they're in every right to recognize this shortfall, and

831
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Speaker 1: I commend them for bringing out But the problem is

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Speaker 1: is that, you know, you put something like that out

833
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: and it sounds awesome, and it sounds great, but there's

834
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Speaker 1: a bunch of things that immediately pop up, right, like

835
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Speaker 1: what what's the scale of the impact that it will

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Speaker 1: have on federal lands? And you also got to realize

837
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Speaker 1: that a huge percentage of federal land is not around

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00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: any city center. Right, So now what you're doing is

839
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: you're talking about commercial development that's going to have to

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00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: function in conjunction. Right And by the way, I did

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00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: not intend that rhyme to be there. It just happened.

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00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: That's going to have function in conjunction with these homes.

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00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: So you're going to have massive business development in all

844
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Speaker 1: of these places too. Now, don't get me wrong, I

845
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: love business development, but I live in the land of

846
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: strip malls. And how many more strip malls do we

847
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: need next to what the Devil's Plateau or whatever that

848
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: beautiful place that was out in I think in Utah

849
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: out close Encounters is where it became famous. Right, But

850
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: is that what you want? You want a strip mall

851
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 1: right next to some of these immaculate lands, and and

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00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, I think, you know, one of the greatest

853
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: decisions ever made in our country's hissuy history was Teddy

854
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: Roosevelt and his conservationalism and establishing these beautiful places that

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00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: we could keep pristine in order to really be able

856
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: to reflect on the magnitude of what America is as

857
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: a whole from just a visual perspective, and then also

858
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: what you receive when you go to this. Like, my

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00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: earliest memory that I've ever had in my life was

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Speaker 1: the memory of being in Yosemite Park when I was

861
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: like four years old, and I just remember, you know,

862
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: these incredible hikes that my father ended up having me

863
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: to put on his shoulders as I'm you know, we're

864
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: ascending to these these these tops of these peaks in

865
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: these areas, and when you look out over the Yosemite Valley,

866
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: you know that that was impactful. So, you know, I

867
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: don't want to strip themll near there. I don't want

868
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: some big box store, and I certainly don't want it

869
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: to flood with with with people who maybe perhaps don't

870
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: understand the importance of the cultures that support those lands. Right,

871
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: the people that have been there for for for generations. Now.

872
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: The other aspect is, you know, what is the affordability

873
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: of all these going to look like? Right? Is this

874
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: going to be a federal investment or are they going

875
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: to utilize our tax dollars or is it going to

876
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: come from foreign investment? Some of the seven trillion dollar commitments,

877
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: are they going to build a new super conductor or

878
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: are they going to build some new uh factory in

879
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: order to support the new houses that people that they

880
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: need jobs in these areas? So what does that look

881
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: like too? Or are we going to pay for this

882
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: or is it going to be outside influence and where's

883
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: that coming from? I think the other aspect always is

884
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: if you've ever built anything on federal or state property, uh,

885
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: the amount of regulatory or red tape that's involved is staggering.

886
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: So what does that look like? You can guarant damn

887
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: tea that there's gonna be lawsuits out the wazoo about

888
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 1: people coming in to protect the you know, the hook

889
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 1: build finch or the you know, the spotted salmon that's

890
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: out there, right, And is that going to be you know,

891
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: uh going to cause all other problems within that too?

892
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: And and don't get me wrong. I'm I'm I'm certainly

893
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 1: not a climate alarmist in any way, shape or form,

894
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: But I am a I am a thought full conference conservationalists.

895
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: How is going to affect uh local populations of of

896
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: of elk or or other you know species that are

897
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: provide a contributed factor to how those lands function and work?

898
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 3: Right?

899
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: I think the also, you know, it's obvious that we

900
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: need to dig in a little deeper. What is the

901
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: feasibility reality behind this? Is it something? How long is

902
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: this project going to take? And so let's say it

903
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: gets funded. Let's say the companies come in, they get

904
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: behind it, you know, they go through all the red tape. Well,

905
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: then how much how long is it going to be

906
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: taken in active? So are they going to start the project?

907
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: And then let's say, uh, you know Trump's out of

908
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 1: office after these four years. Let's say JD. E. Vance

909
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: doesn't win the next election or whoever the Republican or

910
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: MAGA party movement is going to be, Well, who takes

911
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: over that? Do they shut it down? Immediately? Bring back

912
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: us into the Paris Climate Accords? And and then and

913
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: then what happens to all those investors? You know, these

914
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 1: are real things that we need to think about before

915
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: you know what this looks like. Now, obviously, again this

916
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: is all about political framing, uh, in terms of the

917
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: Golden Age and what President Trump wants to bring. And

918
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: I am all for that one hundred percent. In particular,

919
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: I'm all behind this idea that we need to make

920
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: more affordable housing. But does it necessarily have to be

921
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: a component of of going after federal lands?

922
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: Now?

923
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting to me is, you know, I

924
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: think and this was you know, what you really have

925
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: to understand is that the total land area of the

926
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: US is about two point two seven billion acres, right

927
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: roughly nine point two million square kilometers, and as of

928
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, protected areas covered approximately four hundred and

929
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: seventy seven thousand square miles or one point two million

930
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: square kilometers, equating to that thirteen percent figure. Right Now,

931
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: what's interesting is you have to be able to get

932
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: down to the reality of what does the actual housing

933
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: market look like? And why, right, why are we in

934
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: this situation in the first place where they want to

935
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: propose this right is it? Is it solely because we

936
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: have so many new people that have come into America,

937
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: which you know is definitely part of it. But what

938
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: I also believe it's it's more indicative of you know

939
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: the fact that that GDP is rising at such a

940
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: slow level one because we offshore Joe's We just covered

941
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: that with with Bryce gill and what that looks like

942
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: in terms of the d industrialization and hopefully, as he

943
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: was very positive bringing on shoring back jobs. So hopefully

944
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: with this tariff and bringing you know, industrialization back to

945
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: the United States, those those wages will go up in

946
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: those and new jobs. Right now. He also said that

947
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: we're a seventy percent service industry, so is there space

948
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: to grow there? I think there absolutely is giant space

949
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: to grow. You know, when you look at the numbers

950
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: for job growth over the last four years in the

951
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 1: last administration, the overwhelming majority of that growth came from

952
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: government jobs. And my personal favorite was if you looked

953
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: at the people who were following those numbers intimately, right,

954
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: they'd post these numbers and then a month and a half,

955
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: a month later, month, two months later, they'd come out

956
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: and all of those numbers would be you know, downsides considerably,

957
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: And why were they doing that? You know, my guess

958
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: is for political reasons and a lot of those those

959
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: most of those numbers came from job growth within the

960
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: government sector, and some of what we're finding out now

961
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: is a lot of those jobs were given to ill

962
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: legal immigrants, and so that's another factor of this. You know,

963
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: are these seven million homes going to be dedicated towards

964
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: illegal immigrants? You know, I don't know. That creates this

965
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: whole cultural issue, and I'll touch on that in a

966
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: little bit. So, you know, one of the things that

967
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, when you start to be able to evaluate,

968
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, the cost of homes that are out there,

969
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: you know, it's you know, I want you to think

970
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: about this. So this is this is an interesting statistic

971
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: that I found. So the National Association of home Builders

972
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: the NAHB, reported in early twenty twenty five that a

973
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: quarter point increase in mortgage rates, example, from six point

974
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 1: five to seven six point seventy five prices out approximately

975
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 1: one point one four million households from affording a medium

976
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: price new home, which was around four hundred and twenty

977
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars nationwide at the time, with rage fluctuating

978
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: near seven percent in twenty twenty five, higher than six

979
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: point six point five baseline percent baseline in their model.

980
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: The number of effective household grows posts on X from

981
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: early April twenty twenty five suggests an even starker figure.

982
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: One claims ninety four million households. That's seventy percent of

983
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: US households can't afford a four hundred thousand dollars home,

984
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: which another estimates seventy six point four million households fifty

985
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: seven percent can't afford a three hundred thousand dollars home. Now,

986
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: to give you a greater context on this, I'm gonna

987
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: tell you, all right, here is a list of some

988
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: of those states where they're talking about federal new homes

989
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: are going to be. All right, So this is medium

990
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 1: house numbers for these states, all right, Wyoming three hundred

991
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 1: and forty thousand dollars. Right. Obviously, rural areas are cheaper,

992
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: but this, you know, Jackson prices Vermont three hundred and

993
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: eighty thousand dollars, Alaska three hundred and fifty thousand dollars,

994
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: North Dakota two hundred and sixty thousand dollars, South Dakota

995
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand, Delaware four hundred thousand, Rhode Island four

996
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty, Montana four hundred and sixty thousand. All right,

997
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: Maine three hundred and ninety thousand, Idaho four hundred and

998
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: forty thousand, New Mexico three hundred thousand, Mississippi one hundred

999
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: and sixty thousand, Iowa two hundred and thirty thousand, Nevada

1000
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: four hundred and twenty thousand. These houses are incredible, and

1001
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: I think, you know, for most young people out there

1002
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 1: that are have this American dream, how are they going

1003
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: to achieve that? So, you know, before we get all

1004
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: fired up and building all this new federal these new

1005
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: low income housing on federal lands, why don't we talk

1006
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: about maybe how we reduce some of those housing prices,

1007
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: or how we increase people's wages. Now, the other little

1008
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: hidden secret behind all this, which I believe plays a

1009
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: massive role in all of this, is who owns the

1010
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: vast majority of inventory out there? Now, if you're like

1011
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: me and you're in my area, what you saw in

1012
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: COVID pre COVID and then certainly post COVID is you

1013
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: saw this exorbitant explosion in what airb and bs. I

1014
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: have one on my street and there's a probably coming

1015
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: for another one here soon too. Right, we look at

1016
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: Airbnb explosion all over the place. We also looked at

1017
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: at low income housing and apartment complexes. Rents went up

1018
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: in all of those. So Airbnbs drove rents, low income

1019
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: housing drove rents. Now, why, well, it's easy, it's private equity,

1020
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: it's asset management. Firms like Blackrock sort of give you

1021
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: an idea about Blackrock and their stake in commercial and

1022
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: private real estate. Here you go. Blackrock does have indirect

1023
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: exposure to residential real estate market through its stakes and

1024
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: companies that own homes. For example, it owns a majority

1025
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: stake in American Homes for Rent, a real estate investment

1026
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: TRUCKS or an ri E rate that owns approximately fifty

1027
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: nine thousand single family homes. As of recent reports, Blackrocks

1028
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: ownership in this company is around six point seven percent,

1029
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: which equates to indirect interests and a fraction of those

1030
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: homes roughly nine hundred and fifty three homes based on

1031
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: that percentage. Additionally, Blackrock is a sharehold holder in Invitation Homes,

1032
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: the largest operator of single family rentals in the US,

1033
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: which owns about eighty eighty Let me repeat that, eighty

1034
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: thousand homes, all right. The other one you need to

1035
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: understand is Blackstone, And many times these two are conflated together.

1036
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: But you need to be able to just the point

1037
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make is that much of the inventory

1038
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: is not going from person to person or being passed

1039
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: down generlation or or or you know, people just building

1040
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: on available land. These our mega corporations that are controlling

1041
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: these markets to a high degree. So Blackstone different, a

1042
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,919
Speaker 1: different firm often confused with black Rocks, has a more

1043
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: direct role in owning homes through subsidiaries like Invitation Homes,

1044
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: which it founded but later spun off and currently owns

1045
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: around sixty two thousand single family homes its portfolio companies.

1046
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: All right, now, what does all this mean to kind

1047
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: of drill it down for you? Right, we have a

1048
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: housing crisis. New government wants to come in and try

1049
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: and solve that new crisis. Now, whether you think it's

1050
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: a political ploy or whether you think they're actually going

1051
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: to deliver on what they promised, that's up to you.

1052
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: It's that's yet to be seen because of all the

1053
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: things we talked about. But what I do know is

1054
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: I recognize that the two main aspects of my mind

1055
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: are one. Yeah, I don't know if there is such

1056
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: a shortfall. But what I really know is that people

1057
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: aren't earning enough in order to be able to afford

1058
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: these down payments on these homes. And that's why you've

1059
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: really locked out this massive group of young people, you know,

1060
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: the Gen zs whoever you want to talk about, which

1061
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: is actually a bigger portion of people in the United

1062
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: States than the Baby Boomers were. It's in fact going

1063
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: to be the greatest purchasing generation in human history, and

1064
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: so it's critical to understand in my mind, where are

1065
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: those people going to want to live? And then how

1066
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: are we going to pay them more money? I believe

1067
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: it it's going to be more along the lines of

1068
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: sparking the economy, creating new interests on showing new jobs

1069
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: and new industries. I think AI is going to open

1070
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: and explode for the service industries in ways we can't imagine.

1071
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: So when you listen to Braxton, and hopefully you heard

1072
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: the genuineness of where he was coming from, you heard

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Speaker 1: the pain in his heart, not because he's angry at

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Speaker 1: people who need homes by any stretch of the measure,

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Speaker 1: But what he was offering for you to hear him

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Speaker 1: was the fact that through political initiatives. He believes his

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Speaker 1: culture is under jeopardy. I had talked kind of in

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Speaker 1: the beginning of this what I wanted that I talk

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Speaker 1: about culture, and I also shared that, you know, because

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Speaker 1: of my background and path that you know, is the

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Speaker 1: culture of where I'm from? Is it? Is it something

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Speaker 1: that I really feel connected to I do to a

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Speaker 1: certain degree. Don't get get me wrong, My all my

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Speaker 1: five six one homies out there, right, I love you guys.

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Speaker 1: We grew up. But man, this place has been around

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Speaker 1: since like the nineteen eighties. Really, you know, so the depths,

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Speaker 1: my kids, you know, dig it here. But it's not

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Speaker 1: like they're willing to go to a go to battle

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Speaker 1: for our culture here. But people out in those places

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Speaker 1: whose generations before them actually had to hack out of

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Speaker 1: the savagery of of of what the West was and

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Speaker 1: build from nothing in those brutal winners and to really

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Speaker 1: to really cut out in existence from the savagery of

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Speaker 1: what it meant to live back in those days. Man,

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Speaker 1: we have to adhere to that, we have to acknowledge that.

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Speaker 1: And I genuinely believe that culture is something that we

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Speaker 1: want to protect in people. So that's all I have

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Speaker 1: to say. About it. I hope you understand where I'm

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Speaker 1: coming from. I hope I've been succinct enough. I hope

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Speaker 1: I've given it some common sense and a little bit

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Speaker 1: of critical thinking to it. And I've hoped you'd enjoyed

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Speaker 1: my little rant there.

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Speaker 3: Thank you,