1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: So you know what I mean, well spoken individual, are 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: so well spoken. 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 2: You have a good show on you too. 4 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 3: I keep myself busy. Yeah, you've done a great job 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 3: transitioning fight. Thank you very much. 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean as as a former fighter or like 7 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 4: all athletes. I mean, you guys did very well. But 8 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 4: fighters in particularly, it's a hard road, you know what 9 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 4: I mean. And then not a lot of fighters make money, 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 4: you know, there's only the tip of the iceberg. And 11 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 4: I'm not talking about in the UFC. I mean to 12 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 4: get to the UFC. I mean that in itself is 13 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 4: very hard, you know, but to really be able to 14 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 4: retire comfortably, you know, only the only a select few 15 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 4: get to do that, you know, in in any professional sports. 16 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at soccer, right, how many 17 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 4: people play soccer, you know, and how many people get 18 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 4: to actually really make a living. So yeah, retiring as 19 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 4: a fighter still being involved with the sport, commentating in 20 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 4: the UFC, it couldn't have worked out any better. 21 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: And I'm a very happy man. Do you feel like 22 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: you retired comfortably? 23 00:00:58,920 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 3: Oh? 24 00:00:59,160 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, for sure. 25 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: At the time. 26 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, I had a great career, you know, 27 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 4: I mean I was able to win the belt, defend 28 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 4: it out some championship fights. You know, I was repping 29 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 4: the UK for a long time as well. So I 30 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 4: had a great career. I had a long run. Yeah. Yeah, 31 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 4: very comfortably. I mean, you can always be more comfortable. Question. Yeah, 32 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying and over again. Yeah, Dana 33 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 4: always looked after me and I always did very well. 34 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 3: Did Were you doing any of the media stuff while 35 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 3: you were fighting or was that a transition you made 36 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 3: right when you got done. 37 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 4: No, so I was doing it whilst I was fighting 38 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 4: as well. Is this sound okay for you guys? Close enough? Yeah? 39 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 4: So so you probably know maybe you don't so I 40 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 4: don't see my right eye the yeah, yeah story. So, 41 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 4: so when I started having the I issues, because obviously 42 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 4: you want to be a champion and all the rest 43 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 4: of it, When I started having the I issues and 44 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 4: I was told I was never going to be able 45 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 4: to fight again, and I did carry on fighting, and 46 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 4: I was lying and cheating on tests and all the 47 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 4: rest of it, doing whatever I could, right, But I 48 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 4: was like, this isn't going to last forever. I've got 49 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 4: to figure out I can. I know my door is closing, 50 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 4: the options are going to go away soon. So I 51 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 4: started doing as much of that stuff as I could, 52 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 4: working on Fox Sports at the time, and then started 53 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 4: a podcast and then just whatever else I could do 54 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 4: whilst I still had a platform and whilst people still 55 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 4: gave it that. You know what I'm saying, because when 56 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 4: you desire your old. 57 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: News it was if it wasn't for the eye, do 58 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: you think you would have had the idea to kind of, Okay, 59 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: I need to find out some different avenues because as 60 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: as athletes, like for me, there was never a play 61 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: b you kind of just think I'm gonna play football 62 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,839 Speaker 1: and then I'll die on the field your greatest order 63 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 1: to go out that way, not for sure, and that's 64 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: always the goal, that's what you want to do. 65 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 4: You got to be single minded to be successful and 66 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 4: to be great at anything, You've got to be lied that. 67 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 4: But of course you'd be a fool not to realize 68 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 4: that there's a life after fighting, you know. I mean, 69 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 4: I think it was two thousand and nine I started 70 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 4: doing a little bit of acting and stuff like that. 71 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 4: I never thought I'd end up doing that, but I 72 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 4: just got offered an acting roll out of the blue, 73 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 4: so I was like, yeah, fucking why not, let's give 74 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 4: it a shot. The next thing, I'm in Austin, Texas, 75 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 4: spent my per day and for the Inside issue. On 76 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 4: the first night with my buddy, we had a great 77 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 4: night out turned the post. I hung over to the mics, 78 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 4: thinking what am I doing here, but then ended up 79 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 4: loving the entire process and done that stuff ever since 80 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 4: as well. So yeah, I mean I always kind of 81 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 4: had part in the pun, one eye on doing other stuff. 82 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: Nice. Now that's about the legacy. 83 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 3: We were a little birdie totalist that you had a 84 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: DJ career DJ mikey Be. 85 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 4: It's nothing to write home about. So yeah, I mean, listen, 86 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 4: I was obsessed with martial arts as a kid, and 87 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 4: then one day I was walking home from work when 88 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 4: I was sixteen, and my buddy had a set of decks. 89 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 4: I went into his house and you know, they were 90 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 4: smoking weed and stuff. I was never a weed smoker, 91 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 4: but I saw the decks and the turntables and I 92 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 4: just thought that was the coolest thing ever at sixteen, 93 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 4: So I stopped doing martial arts and became DJ mikey Bee. 94 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 4: I put all my effort into that, and I had 95 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 4: a little bit of a you know, following or whatever. 96 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 4: I did okay for a while, but but you know, nothing, 97 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 4: nothing to write home about. 98 00:03:59,120 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: You know what. 99 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 4: I still spin the turntables a bit for fun when 100 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 4: I'm bored. I might do the occasional set here and there, 101 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,839 Speaker 4: but I've hung up the records a long time ago. 102 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 3: You stopped MMA so that you were doing the DJ stuff, 103 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: and then I was like, okay, let me get back 104 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 3: into the fighting. 105 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, well I wasn't doing mm A. I was 106 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 4: doing martial arts. You know, a lot of martial arts 107 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 4: tournaments and stuff. But so yeah, I put all my 108 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 4: efforts into being a DJ. And then I met my 109 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 4: girlfriend who's now my wife, and we had two children, 110 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 4: and then I was like, yeah, I don't think this 111 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 4: is happening, you know what I mean. There were some 112 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 4: pretty rundown venues in the northwest of England, you know 113 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 4: what I mean. We're not exactly talking excess at the wind. 114 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 4: This is not what we're talking about, guys, Vegas. I 115 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 4: don't even know about that. Get to it, Betha, you 116 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 4: know Bezas Yeah, yeah, yeah no. And then when the 117 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 4: kids came along, I was like, what am I doing 118 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 4: with myself? And I was always getting into scraps, you know, 119 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 4: on fights. When I was a kid, I was that 120 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 4: was that kind of guy. And then I actually I 121 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 4: went to prison. I got sent down for twenty eight days. 122 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 4: And it was when I was sitting in the holding 123 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 4: cell waiting to be assigned by cell. I was sitting there, 124 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 4: I was thinking, what is going on? What is how 125 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 4: I ended up here? And I'm sitting in this holding 126 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 4: cell and there's old drug addicts and dead beats around me, 127 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 4: and they're like, look coming up, Dren, went you in 128 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 4: for me? 129 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 3: You know? 130 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 4: And I'm like, don't talk to me, stay away from 131 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 4: I'm not one of you. And I thought to myself, 132 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 4: I've got to make a change. And right then and there, 133 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 4: that's when I kind of got my act together. And 134 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 4: I'm actually grateful for that judge for doing that, because 135 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 4: I was just reckless and didn't really give a damn. 136 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: How do we get in there? 137 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 4: Just I was fighting? 138 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, how old are you? 139 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 4: What was I twenty two, twenty three? Something like that. 140 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 4: I was always getting fights. I'm from a small town. 141 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 4: Everyone knows everyone's business. Ever since I was a kid, 142 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 4: I always you know, I was just that kind of kid. 143 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 4: I was always down for a fight, and I was 144 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 4: young and I was reckless, and I thought it was 145 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 4: all fun and games, you know what I mean. You know, 146 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 4: I was very immature, let's. 147 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: Be honest, you know. 148 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: So it really was a wig up calling. It is 149 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: what the prison SYSM was supposed to be. It's like, oh, 150 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: why need to snap out of it? And it worked 151 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: on me one hundred percent, yeah, one hundred percent. 152 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 4: Yeah. So I came out of there and never threw 153 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 4: another punch on the street, just decided to start doing 154 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 4: it professionally. But I didn't find my way to mixed 155 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 4: martial arts then because MMA wasn't really a thing. The 156 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 4: UFC existed, but I wasn't a fan. But then my 157 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 4: old to use an old term sense told me all 158 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 4: about the explosion of something called mixed martial arts and 159 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 4: the UFC and in Japan they had Pride and I 160 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 4: didn't even know what it was. I said, can you 161 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 4: make money? And he said, listen to the champions are 162 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 4: making great money, the celebrities in America that they got 163 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 4: getting into acting and all this kind of stuff. So 164 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 4: we said this whole He painted this whole picture, and 165 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 4: I thought, that's what I want. So I signed up 166 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 4: for my first fight three months later, didn't even know 167 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 4: what the sport was, got the knockout. Two years later, 168 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 4: I was on the Ultimate Fire. Won that next minute. 169 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 4: Here we are talking busting in with bussing with the boy, right? 170 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 2: Was that the big break was getting on the Ultimate Fighter? 171 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 4: Oh? For sure, of course, you know, firing on the 172 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 4: regional scene if you will, that's what they call it 173 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 4: in the UK. I mean, I was the Cage Warriors Champion. 174 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 4: I was a cage Race champion. I was the what 175 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 4: was it any promotion that was in the UK. I 176 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 4: was the champion of as well as the super heavyweight 177 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 4: kickboxing champion. I used to be a bit of a 178 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 4: fat bastard, so yeah, I mean, so then they came 179 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 4: to the UK looking for two guys to be on 180 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 4: The Ultimate Fight to season three, and then we had 181 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 4: these open auditions and had the auditions all the other 182 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 4: people in my weight class. I knocked them all out, 183 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So I was kind of 184 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 4: confident that I was going to get it. And then 185 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 4: of course I'm allowed my mouth piece of shit as well, 186 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 4: So you want to better drama? So yeah, yeah, there 187 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 4: you go. How was The Ultimate Fighter structured? 188 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: Then? Was everybody in the same house. Still, was it 189 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: kind of a reality TV show to go with it 190 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: as well? 191 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: Oh? 192 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, Yeah, absolutely, And I loved it. I mean, 193 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 4: come on, listen, never been to America. They're going to 194 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 4: fly me to America. I'm sitting in a big, beautiful 195 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 4: mansion with a bunch of guys. We're getting paid to 196 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 4: train and work out. And you walk in and being 197 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 4: coached by Ts and Ken Shamrock and day in a 198 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 4: whites there. I'm like, shit, this is it. This is 199 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 4: really happening. And a lot of people on the show 200 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 4: they were there for the fifteen minutes of fame, you know, 201 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 4: But I was. I was there to kick some ass 202 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 4: and win, you know, and fortune early with a bit 203 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 4: of luck, that's what I was able to do. 204 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: So when you go to when you go through the 205 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: Ultimate Fighter and you get that bid to go in 206 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: the UFC, you said earlier you were really a fan 207 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: of UFC. 208 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 4: When did you become like this is this organization? Really? 209 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 2: Wasn't that money in his pocket? This is not? 210 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 4: Actually yeah, it was a fast I just didn't even 211 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 4: really know it existed. I remember I was a World 212 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 4: Championships in nineteen ninety five when I was sixteen and 213 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 4: we were staying in a youth hostel in Auckland, and 214 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 4: I remember in the kitchen in the youth hostel, they 215 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 4: were all watching I think it was like UFC two 216 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 4: or three or something. And I wasn't really interested, not 217 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 4: because I wasn't a fan. I was just, you know, 218 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 4: I was a kid and whatever, and I was too 219 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 4: busy going out with my friends and partying and stuff. 220 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 4: But as soon as I knew there was a viable 221 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 4: career option, and I knew I was getting older and 222 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 4: I'd been in trouble with the law and I left 223 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 4: school at sixteen, I was like, this is probably the 224 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 4: only way I'm going to make something out of my life, 225 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 4: you know, because I always said, like, you know, getting 226 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 4: on your lecturer's high horse. But everyone's good at something, 227 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 4: everyone's got a skill. And I remember I remember my 228 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 4: supervisor at the time at work. I was working at 229 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 4: this sofa factory, just like making couches and stuff, and 230 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 4: he said, what are you going to do for the 231 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 4: rest of your life? Michael? He said, you want to 232 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 4: do this? I said, no way, And he said, well, 233 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 4: you know, you think about it. Because I walked into 234 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 4: this factory thirty years ago, and it flown by light 235 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 4: that I said, you're still a young man. So I 236 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 4: started thinking. I said, what am I good at? What 237 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 4: am I good at? And I've always been good at fighting. 238 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 4: I was always good at martial arts. I was always 239 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 4: in street fights. I'm ashamed to say now, but I was. 240 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 4: You know, I was very it's successful. Let's just put 241 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 4: it like that without sounding like a quick So I 242 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 4: said to him, I'll never forget. I walked up to 243 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 4: him and I said, Mick, Mick, I said, I figured 244 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 4: out what I'm going to do. And he takes his 245 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 4: he's got his two belts on. He takes his two 246 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 4: belts off, and he walks off, rubbin his hanse come 247 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 4: on because he was kind of like a mentor, and 248 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 4: he's like, okay, what's the plan. I said, I'm going 249 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 4: to be a professional fighter. And he was like, oh 250 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 4: my god, I thought you were a smart kid. I'm like, 251 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 4: just me, I know what I'm doing. 252 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 3: So anyway to make the call back to him, like hey. 253 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 4: Clean enough. I was googling him last week because I 254 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 4: was talking about this to my wife, about Mick Killeen. 255 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 4: But no, no, I don't. I don't know what happened 256 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 4: to him. Well, you know, I don't think I had 257 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 4: as much of an impact on him as he had 258 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 4: on me. Yeah, it's funny, isn't it. You know that 259 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 4: these people come into your lives that can make a 260 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 4: big impression and they might not realize it, you know, 261 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 4: like a teacher to a troubled high school kid or whatever. 262 00:10:58,440 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 3: You know. 263 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. 264 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 3: You've had a lot of incredible fights, like what lost 265 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 3: pisses you off the most? 266 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 4: Or what lost? None of them? To be honest, none 267 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 4: of them pissed me off. I mean I'm forty four 268 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 4: now so and I've been midsized twenty eighteen, so you know, 269 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 4: I don't spend I don't keep myself up at night 270 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 4: stewing over them. But what passed me off? 271 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 2: Which one had the most residual effects? 272 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 4: Been times past? Yeah, yeah, I don't again, good question. 273 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 4: I mean the Vanderalaier silver Fire was bullshit. I won 274 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 4: that fire, I was robbed, and yeah, I love that. 275 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: Nothing really makes me mad, But you're digging deep into 276 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: the you know, fuck Vandalai. 277 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 4: No, No, yes, that one, I guess because Vandalai is 278 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 4: a legend of the sport, and he was actually one 279 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 4: of the guys that when I started discovering what MMA was, 280 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 4: I saw vanderlay files. Oh my gosh, this guy's amazing. 281 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 4: Look at this guy, and I wanted to be like him. 282 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 4: And then so to fire him was a big deal, 283 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 4: you know. And I thought I won the fight, but whatever, 284 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 4: it didn't go my way. 285 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, he had all the training videos where he's like 286 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 3: training with the snorkel and ship right. 287 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 4: Like, yeah, he did a lot of he did a 288 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 4: lot of steroids as well. You know, they're the ones, 289 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, the Vito belfour one. Obviously 290 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 4: I lost an eyeball through that because he's a cheating 291 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 4: piece of ship, you know, so I guess there's a 292 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 4: few can go fuck himself. He was like every performance 293 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 4: enhancing drug under the sun. I love Jail. He's cool. 294 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 2: Because he's malthy too, Like. 295 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 4: I wish I could have he never did because we 296 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 4: were both fighting on the same card, but we had 297 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 4: different opponents. And then for whatever reason it's a long story, 298 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 4: somebody drops out, so they rejiggled the card and I 299 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 4: was fighting Jail and this was like ten days before 300 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 4: the fight, so we didn't really have time to turning 301 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 4: him to manifest or to brew. You know, there was 302 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 4: no bad feelings, couldn't you know arise? It was like 303 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 4: before we knew it. We were in Chicago, were stepping 304 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 4: on the scale, remember our square up to jail on 305 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 4: the ways, and you know you're trying and do your bit, 306 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 4: like you get in his face and yeah, fucking dead 307 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 4: that type of stuff. I'm in there because I always 308 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 4: used to give not give him a head, bob, but 309 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 4: just like a little just a little touch, you know, 310 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 4: because you're trying to insert your last minute dominance, you know. 311 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 4: And ChIL just said, what colonna are you wearing? You 312 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 4: smelled delightful? Son of a bitch? You talk about these 313 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 4: dudes taking PD steroid stuff like that? 314 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: Was it easy when you got your hands on guys 315 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: to feel like, Okay, you got something going on? 316 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 4: Extra do you don't what? To be honest, there's only 317 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 4: one fire that I ever felt overpowered in, even though 318 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 4: I know for a fact I fought a lot of 319 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 4: guys that were using because for a while there was 320 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 4: to sell strong replacement therapy, which was legal. They were 321 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 4: allowed to do that if you went to a doctor 322 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 4: and the doctor signed off on it. There you got 323 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 4: boom you were in and I've never taken anything in 324 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 4: my life, but even still there was I guess Vito 325 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 4: was like ridiculously powerful and explosive with his striking. But 326 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 4: when we clanched up or anything. There's only one guy 327 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 4: that I thought, who's called Matt Hammill. That was a 328 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 4: death fighter that warped my ass in round one. And 329 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 4: I was like a little school boy with him. But 330 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 4: he was on steroids or anything like that. He was 331 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 4: just a good old forem boy. 332 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. 333 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 4: That give me a good old ass kickid God bless him. 334 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 3: Wasn't just the testa like the TRT that was like 335 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 3: the issue, like what what? 336 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: How was everybody? How people able access as so much? 337 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 4: I have no idea, I have not I'm not an 338 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 4: expert on that stuff, but it was rife. I know 339 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 4: it was everyone. You know, everyone's aware with that because 340 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 4: the drug testing back then was kind of like an 341 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 4: IQ test. You know, now we have what we had, 342 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 4: you Sawa, we have another program now where the show 343 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 4: randomly the tests you and you know he's very in 344 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 4: depth and very safe. Back then, it was not all fights. 345 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 4: The main event. Maybe the Colemane. You had to take 346 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 4: a piss test after the fight. 347 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 2: You know. 348 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 4: So if you're smart enough, you know how to cycle 349 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 4: it and get it out of your system. But I 350 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 4: was always so young and confident. I was like, I 351 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 4: don't give a shit, I don't care whatever. 352 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to get him. 353 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 3: Anyone ever thought about it, well, I'm taking anything right, 354 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 3: like trying to figure out what? 355 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 4: Never. I remember when I was coming up in the UK, 356 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 4: you know it, The UK scene back then was like 357 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 4: the wild West, trust me, like, you know, anyone involved 358 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 4: in mixed martial arts back then the world gangsters and 359 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 4: drug dealers and thugs and whatnot. You know, it wasn't 360 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 4: the professional scene it is now, let me tell you. 361 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 4: And there was a lot of people all taking steroids 362 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 4: on my team and stuff like that. But in my mind, 363 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 4: I was always like, well, number one, I don't want 364 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 4: to do that. I don't need to do that. But 365 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 4: I'm going to the UFC. I'm not here to be 366 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 4: a tough guy in my hometown. I'm going to the UFC, 367 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 4: and I don't want to test positive and get banned, 368 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So, and of course, ethically, ethically, 369 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 4: of course you. 370 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: Know with the ethically part, but everybody's doing it. It's 371 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: got to be hard like baseball, and how do you 372 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: keep it secret to like you know, dudes are taking it. 373 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 3: And I was like this guy like that lancet arm 374 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: showing where you realize like literally every cyclist was on 375 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 3: something Like he was just a guy who was like you. 376 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, when you're defeated, and this is the thing that 377 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 4: you'll see like eliasa Porius fighting next week and you 378 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 4: have two nine eight and he is bringing with confidence. 379 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 4: He's talking about knocking Bolkanovsky in one round and how 380 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 4: he's not even going to be a fight, because that's 381 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 4: how you are when you're undefeated. Like I was smoking everybody, 382 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 4: you know, I was knocking everyone out in the first round, 383 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 4: and you know, I didn't really have a fight, And 384 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 4: I was like the fucking you know, because when you're undefeated, 385 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 4: you literally feel like no one on earth can beat you, 386 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 4: and it's just what it does to you. And every 387 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 4: time you compete and you win, that is that that 388 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 4: that mindset is further solidified. So I was like, well, 389 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 4: help me knock yourself out, give me the best shot. 390 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 4: You know, until you start getting knocked out yourself eyes 391 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 4: and dribbling, you know what I mean? Doing this dumbling word. 392 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, doesn't change your game, like when you first got out. 393 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 3: Who was the who was the first of the video 394 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 3: was the. 395 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 4: Show Henderson UFC one. So we coached the Ultimate Fighter 396 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 4: passion Yeah, no, no, listen for a player was on 397 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 4: testasrow replacement therapy. That's noted and in the books it's true. 398 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 4: It's true. No, No, God blessing me got me good 399 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 4: because we coached the Ultimate Fighter. I talked a ton 400 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 4: of shit because Dan Henderson is literally like watching pain dry, 401 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 4: So somebody had to make that show exciting and interesting 402 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 4: to watch. And his's a bit of a prick, so 403 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 4: that made it easy. So I talked a bit of ship, 404 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 4: as I do, and it was stewed from the whole 405 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 4: UK versus US a thing and seventeen seventy six. And 406 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 4: he was the good old fashioned, hardworking, quiet American boy 407 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 4: that's going to come and fuck me up. That's exactly 408 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 4: what I was. That's what he did. My god, it was. 409 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 4: It was the biggest show the USC had ever done, 410 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 4: and I got knocked out in the most spectacular and 411 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 4: then it flies through the airs. I'm already unconscious and 412 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 4: gives me another one. But good times, good times. You know, 413 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 4: you learn lessons. It is what it is. 414 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 2: What was it like winning the belt? The adrenaline when 415 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: you were finally like. 416 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, obviously an incredible experience when I won 417 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 4: the belt. After I knock him out, I jump on 418 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 4: top of the cage and I turn around and a 419 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 4: point I said fuck you. But that wasn't really at 420 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 4: Louke Rockhold. That was everyone that wrote me off, everyone 421 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 4: that talk shit, everyone that wrote articles in the media, 422 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 4: everyone online that said he could never do it. He's 423 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 4: a good fire, but he's not a great fighter. He's 424 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 4: not championship material. And they always said that all along, 425 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 4: and every time I got a win, they always said 426 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 4: it was a fluke or whatever. You know, they didn't 427 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 4: know how hard. 428 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 2: I was working. 429 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,239 Speaker 4: So that's that was that pure emotion coming out there, 430 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 4: And it wasn't directed at Luke, poor guy. It was 431 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 4: directed at all the naysayers, of which there was many. 432 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: Right, it makes a competitor, is all those little chirps 433 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: trying to prove some moment, everything personal one way or another. Yeah, yeah, 434 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: like oh they said this, and me think it's the 435 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: worst thing ever. 436 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 4: Very emotionally immature. 437 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: You're finally like getting out of the fighting ring and 438 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: going into the media, Like, was there ever a process 439 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: for you where you've been a fighter your whole life, 440 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: whether it's been professionally or non professionally, and now you're 441 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: going into something completely different, Like was there a piece 442 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: of your identity that you're like, Ah, I feel like 443 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: I'm losing something of myself. 444 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 4: No, not really, because honestly, I feel like that fights 445 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 4: a version of myself. I guess if I you know, 446 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 4: he's still in there somewhere, but I'm a different guy 447 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 4: these days completely, you know. I mean I was, you know, 448 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 4: it was definitely a personality flow. When I was younger, 449 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 4: I was always getting into fights, and that kind of 450 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 4: became my identity, my badge of honor. That's who I was. 451 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 4: And when I was younger, that's kind of like how 452 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 4: I ended up getting friends and being popular and hanging 453 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 4: out with the cool guys and stuff, so only further 454 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 4: reinforced it being this bad boy image, if you will. 455 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 4: And then when I got to the UFC, you know, 456 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 4: I guess again it's it's making me money, it's making 457 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 4: me famous or whatever. But now, I'm ma sure, I've 458 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 4: grown up and I'm certainly not fighting anymore, and that 459 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 4: kind of version of me is it doesn't really exist anymore. 460 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 4: And I don't find myself being combative at all. You know, 461 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 4: I still work, I'll still train every day. Like for example, 462 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 4: there's been two occasions recently where I have been assaulted 463 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 4: in the streets and done nothing about it, full on 464 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 4: punched in the face. And I could I could have 465 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 4: made minskya these two hour souls. Just I was in 466 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 4: New Orleans. I was in New Orleans. I was in 467 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 4: New Orleans and I'm walking down Bourbon Street. I've never 468 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 4: been there before. I don't want to go back. Burbon 469 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 4: Street is a shithole. No offense I associated. I got assaulted, 470 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And then with my wife 471 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 4: and there's a bunch of young guys like playing on 472 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 4: the upside down buckets and playing drums and stuff. So 473 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 4: I'm doing a little touristy thing. I'm filming a little 474 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 4: Instagram story. This guy gets in my face is that 475 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 4: you can't film. I'm like, yeah, I can. It's a 476 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 4: it's a public place, and I carry on film. He says, 477 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 4: your anger, I tell you again, you can't film. I'm like, yes, 478 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 4: I fucking can, and I carry on film and he 479 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 4: gets right in my face. I said, sog, my fucking dick, 480 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 4: and he just goes fair play to him, fair play, 481 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 4: fair play, shuk my fucking dick, and he just went 482 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 4: boom and punched me. I was there with my wife 483 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 4: and my youngest son, who was he like ten at 484 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 4: the time or something. But the punch was so pathetic. 485 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 4: It literally my reaction. I laughed my head off. This 486 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 4: is not me trying to sound tough. It literally was 487 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 4: like ding and I just I said, what was that? 488 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 4: I said, did you just punch me in the face? 489 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 4: I said, is that? I said? You come up and 490 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 4: you talk all that ship and you punch me in 491 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 4: the face, and that is what you have to offer. 492 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 4: I said, come on, Adam, I was laughing my head off. 493 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 4: So we just walked away. What did you do? Because 494 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 4: he had a swing and kind of get ready. So 495 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 4: I have a YouTube channel and my most watched video 496 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 4: is because because I do a podcast as well, and 497 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 4: this guy put a video out because he found out 498 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 4: who I was afterwards, So I took his footage and 499 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 4: used it, integrated it onto my video. It's my most 500 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 4: watched video. But his version of events is exactly the 501 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 4: same as mine. It's exactly the same. He didn't lie, 502 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? I told him to 503 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 4: start filming and he wouldn't film, so he told me 504 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 4: to suck his dick. So I punched him in the face. 505 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 4: I'm like, say, I told you. And then recently I've 506 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 4: never spoken about this before I was. I was. I 507 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 4: was back home in Clever, Or where I'm from, and 508 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 4: I was at dinner with my mom, who's almost eighty 509 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 4: years old. She can't walk, she's on crutches, and with 510 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 4: my sister, she's got a newborn baby. So beautiful summers. Now, 511 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 4: it's about twelve of us, a very nice family atmosphere. 512 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 4: It's a five thirty PM and I'm sitting there and 513 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 4: these guys walking, I said, guys sixty years old, old, 514 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 4: drunk bombs walking, Hammad drum and one of he just 515 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 4: walks over to me. 516 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 2: He says, you don't remember me, do you? 517 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 4: And like, whenever I go back, there's always old faces 518 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 4: that I can't remember the names. Well, hello, good to 519 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 4: see yeah, I said, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good 520 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 4: to see you said you don't remember, do you. I said, oh, well, 521 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 4: I don't remember your name, but yeah, your face is familiar. 522 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 4: He says, no, let me give you a reminder. And 523 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 4: I've got a scar between my eyes where I've got 524 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 4: a big metal stool smashed in my head when I 525 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 4: was about seventeen, and then twenty guys jumps on my head. 526 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 4: He says, look at that you're scar between your eyes. 527 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 4: I did that, I said, right, I said, I think 528 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 4: you need to walk away. So he goes away, and 529 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 4: they sit down the other side of the restaurant and 530 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 4: it comes to the end of the night. I'm paying 531 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 4: the bill and I'm standing by the front door, and 532 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 4: then they walked past again and they start talking more shit. 533 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 4: I said, what are you doing? I said, here, I 534 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 4: don't know who you were. Donor remember it. This was 535 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 4: nineteen ninety seven, by the way, do you know what 536 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 4: I mean? We've all moved on with our line. I say, 537 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 4: he'd at least know like what you became. Well he did, 538 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 4: that's what he doing it. So anyway, as I'm talking 539 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 4: to one guy, do the guy sucker punches me and 540 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 4: he has a ring gun explose my nose. Do you 541 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 4: know what I mean, and then as he hates me, 542 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 4: he falls on the floor right and they just hammered drunk, 543 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 4: and I'm standing there and I'm just like, God, I 544 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 4: could suck him up so easily right now, but I 545 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 4: just didn't do anything, didn't do anything right because I'm 546 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 4: not doing that. I'm not lowering myself to that. I'm 547 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 4: not coming back to my hometown where he used to 548 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 4: always be getting in fights. And they say he's, oh, 549 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 4: Michael Bisbee's back. He's only been back two minutes. He's 550 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 4: already getting into fights. Do you know what I mean? 551 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 4: I'm not perpetuating now. I know who this guy is 552 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 4: because I was not just that. I'm not that guy anymore. 553 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 4: That was the whole point of this. I'm not that 554 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 4: guy anymore. 555 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: You know whin in your mind did it shifted. I'm 556 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: not going to be that guy anymore. 557 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 4: I'm not there when I was in prison, but still 558 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 4: when I was fighting. 559 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: I was younger, yeah. 560 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 4: But when I retired, because I see myself back on 561 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 4: old like old promos and stuff, and I'm like, oh God, 562 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 4: he's that guy. He's that guy, you know what I mean. 563 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 4: I'm like Jesus Christ, So how did your mom react 564 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,239 Speaker 4: to that. Well, they could have believed I walked it on. 565 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 4: My nose was all bloody, and they were like, what 566 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 4: just happened? You're only paying the bill. Drama follows you everywhere. Yeah, yeah, no, 567 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 4: my mom's she's seen it before. Yeah, she's seen it. 568 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 2: When you when you're retired, was there thought of you? 569 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,479 Speaker 2: There was there a part of you. It's like I 570 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 2: want to retire, but I want to go out with 571 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 2: the wind. I want to go out on top, not 572 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: on top, but I want to go out with the wind. 573 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 4: Absolutely of course. Yeah. Because I was going to fight 574 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 4: again as well against Wishard Evans. We were going to 575 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 4: have a rematch, but for one reason or another, it 576 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 4: never happened. And then an old friend of mine said 577 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 4: to me as well. He said, he said, Michael, what 578 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 4: are you doing? And I said well, and then my 579 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 4: manager already as well. There was a few people. I said, well, 580 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 4: I want to go back to London. I want to 581 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 4: fight the old two Arena one last time, and I 582 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 4: want to thank the audience and I want to have 583 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 4: that moment where you take your gloves off and you 584 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 4: put it down and you thank them the crowd, and 585 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 4: thank you for all the support over the years and 586 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 4: all the rest of it, and it was already Actually, 587 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 4: my manager, he's like your romance in that in your head, 588 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 4: you know. 589 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: He said, you've got one eye. You want to go blind. 590 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 4: You want to risk going blind because the fight before that, 591 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 4: when I fought Gelvin Gasolm because every time, because I 592 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 4: used to cheat the tests. Okay, they're not that hard 593 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 4: to cheat if if you're a little scallywag like eye 594 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 4: was growing up, they're not that hard to cheat, right, 595 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 4: But the doctors used to always say, you know, you've 596 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 4: been very you know, risky still fighting because if anything 597 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 4: happens to you a good eye, you know, you could 598 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 4: go blind. I was like, yeah, it's fine. And I 599 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 4: was like, well, line is not going to strike twice. 600 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 4: That was my logic, right, It's already happened in one eye. 601 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 4: The odds of that happening on the second eye is minimal. 602 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 4: It's not going to happen. But when I got knocked 603 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 4: out in China, afterwards, we went to a nightclub and 604 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 4: we're sitting in there and my eyes just kept going flashing. 605 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 4: Every time I look left, it would give a flash, 606 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 4: and I thought, oh my god, I remember the symptoms 607 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 4: when I had the detached rettin of the first time. 608 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 4: So that was why, you know, I kind of wasn't 609 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 4: going to fight again. But then I wanted that that 610 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 4: send off, you know what I mean, he reminded me. 611 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 2: I said, what are you doing? You want to go blind? 612 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 4: He said, for what? Some some idea, some theory that 613 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 4: you've got in your mind. This this whole big romantic 614 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 4: send off. He said, you're being stupid. I thought, you 615 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 4: know what, You're absolutely right. 616 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 2: Do you have any more? Yeah? I do. 617 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of a cheeky question, kind of 618 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: you just go on clip or whatever. But I've seen 619 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: how the UFC is today. If you were picking out fighters, 620 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: if you were in your prime again, who were the 621 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: guys that you would love to crack at fighters right 622 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: now today? 623 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, I used to train with him a lot. 624 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 4: Sean Strickland would be easy, works a lot of sogna. 625 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 4: I'm joking, by the way, Sean Strickland's a lot of 626 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 4: son your Driggs DUPLESSI. Who else is in the top five? 627 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 4: Give me all of those? You know, I wouldn't want 628 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 4: to go up. Tom asked me, no, fog, that was 629 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 4: that the size of him. I know you're a big boy. 630 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 4: I'm telling you, whoever wins that fight between Jones and Steepey, 631 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,719 Speaker 4: they should retire because they're gonna get their asswarped, simple 632 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 4: as that. And I love Jones and I love Steepey, 633 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 4: and I've got so much respect. Look at what he 634 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 4: did to Pavlovitch. And I was saying this coming into 635 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 4: this fire, and DC was like, what are you doing? 636 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 4: What are you talking about? You know, He's like, you're 637 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 4: kissing this guy's ass. I'm like, no, I'm basing this 638 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 4: off what I see. And he went out and he 639 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 4: did it again, and I don't see anybody stopping him. 640 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 3: With all these uh, with all these fight leagues coming about, 641 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 3: do you think any other league has a shot to 642 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 3: compete with the UFC at any point? 643 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 4: Probably? 644 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 3: Not. 645 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 4: You know, there's always new iterations. There's always people want 646 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 4: to come up and do things differently and change the 647 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 4: rules and tweet this and that. You know, I don't 648 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 4: think so. I mean, it's it's the household name. 649 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 2: You know. 650 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 4: It's like, I don't know much about football. You got 651 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 4: the NFL, what the XFL? 652 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 2: I ever going to accomplish? Really competing like, what is it 653 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 2: called the PFL. 654 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: You get the PFL, Let me have a CFL pfil 655 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: knocks about the UFLF for the fighters profile everything. 656 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 4: Or the FC of the oops. You know, no, no not. 657 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 3: Because based on like the fighter pay and the the well, 658 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 3: it's always. 659 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 4: What happens from my knowledge is that they try and 660 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 4: poach away other UFC fights by paying them exorbitant amounts 661 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 4: of money that they're not necessarily worth. Sometimes, but in 662 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 4: the UFC, there's no better place. If you can become 663 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 4: champion and you get pay per view points, that's what 664 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 4: you're going to make the most money, you know. And 665 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 4: I always get accused of being a company man. Well 666 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 4: I am a company man and I'm proud to be 667 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 4: so it changed my life, you know, I changed my 668 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 4: life one hundred percent. And you'll notice that the people 669 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 4: making good money, the creme de la creme, the people 670 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 4: are that they're not bitching, they're not complaining because the 671 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 4: money is there, you know. I mean, look at Connor 672 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 4: McGregor for crying out loud and granted he's like, you know, 673 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 4: he's kind of like a unicorn, if you will, But 674 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 4: there's any of other people that are making very very. 675 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 2: Good livings or do you like Chandler McGregor. 676 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 4: Probably Chandler. Let's be honest. You know, McGregor's has been out, 677 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 4: it'll be almost four years by then. He's made so 678 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 4: much money, and the motivation probably isn't there, you know. 679 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 4: And he likes to party. Yeah, and why not after 680 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 4: God bless him? Hey, you enjoy yourself. He's done it. 681 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 4: He come in, he changed the game, won the belts, 682 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 4: made the money. We're boys and Michaels gonna be good 683 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 4: to hear that. Yeah, no, no, of course you are. Yeah, no, 684 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 4: I love Chandler as well. Listen, what else has McGregor 685 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 4: got to prove? The only the only reason he still 686 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 4: wants to fight is because you can have all the 687 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 4: money in the world, but you can't buy a championship 688 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 4: in the UFC. And and as all fighters, we operate 689 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 4: on ego and we want to say we're the best, 690 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 4: we're the toy. And he goes back to as I 691 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 4: was saying before, but me always getting in fights. I 692 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 4: wanted to be the baddest motherfucker around. I wanted to 693 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 4: be the toughest guy. And it's the same ship, it's 694 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,239 Speaker 4: the same yard stuff that we're all fucking doing. But 695 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 4: we're professional fighters. They want to be the toughest and 696 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 4: the hardest and the baddest guy. And McGregor wants that, 697 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 4: and he's trying to prove that he still is. You know, 698 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 4: that's why you're coming back. And he's respect from the 699 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 4: fight community and the only way you get that is 700 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 4: by fighting. You can't buy that. So fair play to 701 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 4: him for still trying, you know what I mean. But 702 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 4: he doesn't need to. 703 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Man, thank you for coming on. This is 704 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 2: all the time in here. 705 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: Energy was high his careers after it was the reason 706 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: why you're successful. And media, I'm quite tired as far 707 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: as YouTube show everything. Where can we find yourself? 708 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 4: I don't really like to do that because you just cringe. 709 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 4: I've cut myself out of the but you know, just 710 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 4: check it out, Google it. I'm not doing it, guys. 711 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 4: You can find me on the you know, nah, I'm 712 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 4: not doing it. 713 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 3: Fucking google it, you know, you know, you know he's 714 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 3: been in front of the camera bike Michael's Bisbee Show. Subscribe, 715 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 3: make sure you subscribe. 716 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 4: Believe you med podcast and just just just google it. Yeah, yeah, 717 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 4: thanks are coming to appreciate your brother guys. Thank you 718 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 4: very much. 719 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 2: Man that was lost 720 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 4: Hmm.