WEBVTT - Episode 29: Buffy the Vampire Slayer 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:21.439 That's that's not that's not what we're doing. This isn't 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:27.080 this is the different show. This is NERD difficent. Yeah, 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:32.360 this is nerdifficent, time for the spooky, time for the spooky. 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:38.280 This is the sister nerdident said, this sis NERD different 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:46.720 s spooky. Yeah. If you hosted, and across from him 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:49.800 is Danny, and we have a guest here to heat 0:00:49.920 --> 0:01:00.720 and pain is Daniel Radford. And we're talking fuffy today. Nerdy, Nerdy, Nerdy. 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.680 That was a banker intro. Right. I love you for 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:09.480 doing the goose Bumps not on our goose Bumps episode, 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:12.520 you know that's that for that episode we're doing the 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:17.920 Halloween theme. Yeah. Yeah, you said make it spooky. You 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:21.119 can't do the song of the thing you're doing the thing. 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.600 You're doing it like shirt. Oh my gosh, do you 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.399 do that argument? I agree. Look, if I go to 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:29.840 if I can afford tickets to On the Run three 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:34.119 or whatever, I'm wearing to Gloria Stefans like concert, I'm 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.720 wearing a Gloria shirt. When I went to the Life 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.280 of Pablo Tour, I wore the Life of Pablo Tour 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:42.240 merch I went I bought when I saw the first 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.280 time because I went to see it twice. Uh didn't 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:51.400 hold up. What a rough ass year for Kanye fans. 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:57.880 You know, we first Kanye then Taylor Swift. They flipped sides. 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:00.240 Like I said, it's like a third the third movie 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.920 in a trilogy. And uh and Taylor Swist good, can't 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:07.200 you way betrayed us? All? Uh? You know, look you 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.600 have to have that. Really we had that. But now 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:11.280 I think we're coming out of it. I'm hoping that 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.560 this is actually the part, like this is the act too. 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:15.839 Things get real dark and then they get a little 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.239 darker before the dawn. But we'll see what happens. And Danny, 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.400 when you say, who made up that rule? Metal nerds 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:25.200 and they're dumb metal nerds made up that rule. Yeah, 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:29.400 it was all grunge and metal dudes. And then they like, 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:31.320 you can't wear the shirt. You got to buy a 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:34.680 new shirt. Yeah, and to bring it back to nerdives 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.040 and it was probably because the gate keeping somebody was like, oh, 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:41.839 you you like you like fist Fire, Then name five 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:43.320 of their top hits and why are you wearing their 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:47.839 shirt to the show and strong We'll take you. That's 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:52.520 always my go too is that Trapped song strong take 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.640 on anyone, you know what. I worked at Game Works 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.000 for a while and Trapped was one of the songs 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:02.040 and then videos we played most often g TV. How 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.959 can you? We're just gonna keep singing everything. Um. Yeah, 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:08.960 welcome Tontificent. We have with us the host of the 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:10.680 Tits and Fights podcast, as well as a host at 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:14.760 Screen Junkies, Dale Radford. Thank you guys so much driving me. Yeah, 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:21.240 you're one of our best friends. Yeah, it's true, it's true. Uh, 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:25.560 we're covering Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which you were the 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:30.080 obvious choice because you just love it so much. Yeah, 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:34.400 I'm really I guess too. I started watching Buffy right 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.880 when it was ending, okay weirdly enough, so I started 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:40.520 in the seventh season, which most people think is like 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:45.120 the crappiest on up n on up n Yes, um, 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:46.760 and so a lot of people think it's like not 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.400 the best season, but that was the one I started 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.080 on because I saw Firefly first, and then when I 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.400 got canceled, I was like, let me go back and 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:58.160 check out. Also, you're not loud because we're close to 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.880 the It might just be your phone because I'm really 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:04.720 loud and then our guests are always quieter than me, 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.240 so it'll because I am the loudest person, please be. 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:13.200 You got your wrestling voice on, so you know. Uh so, Yeah, 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:17.520 Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Everyone pretty much knows it as 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.640 a show, but it really started off as a movie. 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.360 I actually knew about the show before the movie, and 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:26.360 I was like, what's the bootleg movie? It does feel 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.720 like a bootleg movie after you've seen the show. It 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:32.159 feels like the cheaper version of that. Yeah, there's a 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.440 reason why that we get into as to why it 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.680 came out the way that it did, but just starting out. 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:41.440 The creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer Josh Sweden uh 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:44.159 He is an American screenwriter, director, a comic book writer 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.520 known for creating the shows of Angel, which came after 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:52.280 Buffy Firefly, and writing directing the Avengers film as well 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.839 as Age of Ultron sort of skipping Dollhouse and doll House. 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:57.720 You know, he has a lot of things on here. 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.000 He also was one of the screenwriters for Toy Store, 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:02.440 which got him an Academy Award nomination. We could go 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.039 on forever, but we are talking about Buffy the Vampire Slayer. 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:09.160 Danielle we're talking to make fun of that. I just 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.440 wanted to make fun of Dollhouse. Okay. So when he 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.880 went into Buffy the Vampires, when he was going into 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.000 Buffy the Vampire Slayer, he was coming fresh off of 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:20.400 the show Roseanne. Do you know that I did, which 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.800 is like such a weird Well, he was like a 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:27.640 comedy writer. Yeah, and so he My understanding is so 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:32.080 his folks are both writers in England. Um, and so 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.960 that is how he became a writer, and Roseanne was 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:38.120 one of his biggest gigs before he was able to 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.280 go do Buffy. Yeah, he also did was like a 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:47.719 script doctor Princess princess who for I just got that 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:54.360 reference um for for um like Twister and water World 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.600 and and movies like that, other movies that didn't work 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:01.680 behind the scenes. So, yes, he was coming fresh off 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.400 of Roseanne, and he wrote the screenplay about Buffy the 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:08.440 Vampire Slayer. He says that Rhonda the Immortal Waitress was 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.400 really the first incarnation of the Buffy concept. This isn't 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.680 quote the idea of some woman who seems to be 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.480 completely insignificant who turns out to be extraordinary. He basically 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.400 wanted to go against the Hollywood formula of a little 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.320 blonde girl who goes into a dark alley and gets 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.839 killed in every horror movie by making that little blonde 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:29.359 girl the hero instead. And uh yeah, so he wrote 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:33.400 the screenplay for Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which is great 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.800 and also one of the reasons why. And we'll talk 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:37.960 about this, i'm sure later when people have been complaining 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.640 about the reboot um which again is not going to 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.040 be it's not like a retelling. We don't know what 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.520 it's going to be yet. But yes, the idea that 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.960 you take a black woman who is also one of 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:53.000 the first people to get killed in a horror movie 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.719 and you make that person and you center them. It 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.719 continues the legacy of Buffy. But blah blah blah. Also, 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:04.320 just it's not real. It's sci fi. There's vampires, so whatever. 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:06.440 People like, how could it be a black woman because 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:08.960 it's sci fi, like it could be. Actually, I'd say 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:13.440 it classifies as a neo fantasy because we're talking about 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:17.800 vampires in the lines. You could have demons that can't 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.560 have like people of color. Yeah, no, that was the 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.760 excuse forever with Game of Thrones and like there's dragons 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.280 like it doesn't. Well, it's just because they were in 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.720 this time, in what time? And dragon time? Well, what 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.960 time is that. It's a different continent. It's not it's 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.600 not our earth. Well, if I can pause them and 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.480 then meet them on the same playing field, they are 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.520 still wrong. There is a common misconception that black people 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.680 didn't exist in medieval time because of the way that 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.720 we're taught history. But teach them. There are many good 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:50.120 resources online now, like Medieval POC, which will show you 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:54.400 many medieval era art that shows black people not only 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:59.720 existing but being in monarchy and high positions and nobility 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:03.000 in fancy, fancy fancy outfits, not just like oh I'm 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:06.040 a maid or whatever, because you all just like manifest 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:10.280 one day, how does it even work? We're like zeus, 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:12.440 he just like cleaved us out of the head of 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.640 another just like one day and egg cracks and a 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.320 black person comes out, like, what the heck happened? How 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.800 do they think that? I'm just confused by the I'm sorry, 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:21.480 I didn't mean to cut you. Oh no, it's no, 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.320 this is a good convo. And no, you're right, because 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.760 I almost don't blame anyone because we're not even talk 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:31.120 like if you remember when the Moors were discussed, you 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:36.200 the language used is Muslim, which there were primarily Muslim, 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:40.160 but they were black, and but that's never specifically said. 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:43.640 So you hear Moores and it sounds like another type 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.960 of person, unless your teacher were to elaborate. Oh, it's 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:51.160 like a darker Italian. All right, let's go back to 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:57.000 exactly four years after me and Danny first came to 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:08.320 this trash read me. The film went into production at 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.600 one century Fox. The comedy about a valley girl turned 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:15.640 vampire slayer starred Christie Swanson, Luke Perry, and Donald Sutherland. 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.320 Wanting it to be a summer blockbuster, they rushed the 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:21.199 production of the film. Josh Weeden said of the movie, 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:23.760 there were certain people instead who clearly didn't get it 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.200 or care about it. And I'm not talking about the director. 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.120 I'm talking about other people that it made me crazy 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.400 and I eventually left. The movie was released on July 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:37.679 thirty one. Didn't do so hot. I didn't do so 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.200 hot at all. I loved it. I remember when the 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.880 first Buffy the Vampire Slayer, like I shouldn't say the first. 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.040 I remember when Buffy the van Bear Slayer came out 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.480 and something that I've talked about in multiple places and 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:53.920 multiple platforms. I love me a bad movie. I love 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.640 them so much, and so for me, Buffy was a 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:00.720 really fun bad movie. I remember you loved Venom, Um. 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:04.559 I did because it's hot, trash and it's amazing garbage. 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.040 Oh it's garbage. If you don't like garbage and you 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.120 want something that's well made with characters you care about, 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.200 don't watch Venom. Do you want to watch something that's 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.560 trash and that brings you back to the nineties and 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:19.000 makes you think, like a man, this is like Mortal 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:22.720 Kombat the movie, Go see Venom. But again, if you 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:26.120 want to care, don't do that thing. Um. But so 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:30.560 when I found out about the Buffy for um that 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.679 was coming out for the WB at the time, I 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:37.120 didn't take it seriously because I was like, Oh, they 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.280 took this thing that was one of my hot, garbage 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.800 favorite movies, and now they're making it too serious. Because 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.200 when you looked at the promos, they were plugging it 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.320 as though it was something that was very serious. They weren't. Yeah, 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:53.080 they weren't really honing in on the humor unless you 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.520 watched it. I think because of the reception that the 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.600 original Buffy got because there were a lot of jokes 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:02.920 that didn't land. And as we know about Josh Weeden 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:06.800 as evidenced by my wife Holly Berry in X Men, 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:11.120 you either get his weird ass dialogue or you don't get. 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.800 If you don't get it, it doesn't land. And maybe 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:20.720 it serves you to ask, Maybe it serves you. Um, 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:22.880 And they've done a lot of talk about how Sarah 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:27.720 Michelle Gellar asked a lot about his weird yet. Yeah, yeah, 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:30.240 we're gonna get into that in the in the episodes, 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:35.079 but it didn't do that and he moved on with 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:42.079 his life. Uh and then um, then sand Dollar Television 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.920 executive GAYL Berman actually approached Weeden with the plan to 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.719 bring Buffy to the TV. So I guess it did. 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:50.640 It didn't do well, But like the concept of the 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.679 idea of having this because at the time too, they 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.480 were talking about like girl power and the Spice Girls 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.520 were really big at that time, so they definitely didn't 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:03.000 have I feel like a female superhero protagonist, right, And 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:04.960 I'm trying to remember what was happening at CW at 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.760 the time, But there were other shows like Popular, There 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:11.640 were a lot W sorry w B. There were other 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.960 shows like Popular and things that were very female driven, 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.880 and so I think they were specifically looking for something 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.240 that was female driven. This was also during the time 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.640 of um what I like to call the Outdoor Walk Around. 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.200 I'm sure they have a better name, but it's you know, 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:31.320 the Zena's, the Hercules, the the They did that reboot 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:35.720 of Robin Hood would start the guy that played Will 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.640 and Robin Hood men in tights and it was weird 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.640 but hot. So this was happening at the point where 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:43.280 it was like, oh, yeah, it's all of these people 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:48.240 just like walking and not watching the underwear and fighting 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:50.360 bad guys and then walking to the next place where 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:54.800 they can't watch the underwear. And so they also they 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.160 even did um A live and part of that was 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:02.679 also helped because everything is kind of cyclical. What by 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.600 what was happening with the Power Rangers. They did a 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.920 reboot of Teenage Turtles at the time, which added a 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:12.360 woman turtle named Venus de Milo. When everyone was like, 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:17.480 but yeah, it was a beautiful time because things like 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.000 that could happen and twit and didn't didn't exist. People 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.319 were complaining about it on news groups. Yeah, no one 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:27.240 ever saw it. Yeah, we got to live life. We 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.160 have to live our lives and not be like what 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:35.839 vetus think. Big enough titties. Why don't I want to turtle? Yeah, 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:41.640 I can say here right, No, it's gonna get Why 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:46.440 don't I want to gently hug that turtle for five minutes? 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:53.319 Still believe that? So? Yes, horizontally, NBC passed on the 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:57.160 idea of Buffy, so did Fox. But the w B, 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.840 which you had stated, which was actually only two years 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:02.720 old at the time, did want to them to do 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:05.960 a presentation. So they started casting, and they came across 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.320 a seventeen year old Sarah Michelle Geller, who was already 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.760 an Emmy Award winner. For all my children, yeah, so 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:16.320 and all my children. I believe I'm not mistaken because 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.280 I was watching it at that time. I was in college. 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.800 I have nothing better to do, and I have cable, 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.040 so I was watching a lot of soap operas when 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.840 I would come home from different things, and she was 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.160 playing a character who I believe was twenty four years old, 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:36.000 like she was playing and making it. It's fine. It's weird, 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.800 but it's fine. But I think her an angel like 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:42.200 that was you know, it's not as bad as the 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:46.880 movie teen, which okay, but it's still pretty not great. 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.520 But so I remember when she came on because one 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.040 of the big deals was that she was a teenager 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.320 that was able to play someone so much older. And 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.600 I remember Sarah Michelle Geller, oh my god, this is 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.960 me um aging my from a show called Swan's Crossing 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.800 that was um a show that came out during a 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.160 summer of a year. I want to say it was 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:12.560 two or ninety three, and it was about a bunch 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:17.560 of kids because essentially what people learned about those summer 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:20.640 episodes of a Nino two and No or of a 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.040 UM Saved by the Bell was that you could do 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.160 summer episodes of something and people would be watching because 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.520 there's nothing else there, and teams are watching. And so 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:34.040 Swan's Crossing, to quote something my stepfather would say, this 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:41.840 m had everything. It had um evil twins, a band 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.320 that might not be a good band. It had Sarah 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:49.320 Michelle Geller with her first nose at not shaming, just 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:53.160 true um as a social light who was like the 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:56.840 hot popular one that was trying to get to I 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:58.840 believe his name was Shane McDermott and he only went 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:03.160 on to make a skateboard move. And at the end 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.120 of it, it turned out that the Black nerd and 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.640 I thank god the Asian nerd, huh. At the end 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:11.680 of it, they discovered a new kind of rocket or 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.640 rocket fuel and the government came to shut the town down. 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.760 That's how it ended. So it also had these elements 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:20.880 of like weird sci fi and like spy stuff, which 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.720 I didn't know at the time, but that's my wheelhouse. 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:29.000 I watched every episode. I was a cheerleader for on 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:31.200 base cheerleading because I was I grew up as a 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.760 military kid, um, and I was with a bunch of 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:35.720 the other twelve year olds. But I looked like I 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.760 look now, and so I was like, I gotta my 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:42.600 uniform fits different. I feel I feel weird, and so 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.320 I quit. And I really got into the show. And 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.120 everyone's like, well, Danielle quit because she really hated cheerleading 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:49.920 and wanted to watch the show. I'm like, no, I 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:54.680 quit because I look like your mom and it's like upsetting. 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.040 I would love for you, like if you meet Sarah 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:00.480 Michelle Geller, which we can work out because Mark's really 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.400 good friends with Freddie. Um. Yeah, and I want to 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.119 meet Freddy because Freddy used to write for w W 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.120 E I Girl. When Mark and I were dating, there 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.320 were so many nights when they would have like game nights, 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.160 and I was like, I just need a kid. Are 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:14.879 you gonna have a game night like a couple's night? 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:16.840 Can we go over? And then now I'm not dating them, 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.120 so it doesn't matter, but I can still maybe squeeze 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:20.920 in there. What I was gonna say is, I would 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:22.960 love if you met Sarah Michelle Gellar to be like 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:26.040 I loved you and Swan's crossing, like, don't bring up 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:31.200 probably because I don't bring up anything she's done since then, 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:37.159 So that's trash. Danielle, I love it, No, do it? 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.840 I mean she might like it. Um, I think she'd laugh. Yeah, 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.080 so she So she auditioned for the role of Actually, 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:48.040 she first audition for Cordelia Chase before eventually being cast 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.240 as Buffy. This is in quotes from the casting director 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.639 Marcia Shulman. At the time, we were all trying to 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.399 find our way to make the show something its own 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:58.960 thing apart from the film. We didn't think of Sarah 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:01.560 as Buffy because we thought she was too smart. It's 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.480 not crazy. She was too smart and too grounded and 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.320 not enough of a misfit in a sense. Because Buffy 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.960 was this outsider. How could Sarah be an outsider? She's 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.480 so lovely. So he brought her in as Cordelia and 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.119 she was fantastic as Cordelia. Then we went to the network. 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:18.080 They knew that Sarah was a star from her previous 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.199 work and that she could be Buffy and that we 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:23.200 could do that Buffy. I mean, and this is such 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:28.320 a great insight into how Hollywood works, just assuming who 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:31.680 can be smart you can't, well, assuming there's there was 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.439 so much that went on first off, the casting choice 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.160 that they're like, all right, well, this is how we 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.920 feel that she's betrayed, and then networks like, no, she's 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:40.960 going to play the main character because she's a name, 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.040 so so so that that's something to go in a 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:47.280 pilot season. Remembering when you're auditioning for Lee's that you 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.960 know all it takes is one, uh, one name to 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:53.280 come to bump your whole life off of a list. Look, 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.600 this is why we missed soap operas because there used 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:57.520 to be so many of them, and they used to 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:01.040 cast anyone that was hot. Yeah, and now that job 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:05.119 goes to when I was at New York Comic Con. 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.199 It was so funny because there would be like just 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.960 it would be a hot young person and people would 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:13.240 be screaming, like line to people, just screaming waiting for 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.159 them outside of our little green room. And uh, I 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.760 remember one of the artists that was with me was like, 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:20.359 who is it. I'm like, probably from the c W. 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:22.720 And then and now every time they saw a hot 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:24.800 because it kept happening, like anytime there was a hot 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:29.000 young person, they're like, it's from the cwe probably any hot, 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:34.400 any hot, Yeah, yeah, they're from the CW. They're acting skills, 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:38.200 can be whatever, but they certainly are hot and unthreatening. 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.400 The world is so weird, like that whole screaming thing. 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.800 Like I remember when I went with Echo to the 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.399 e W Stack party and they had just that weird 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.240 line of people who I still think are paid to 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:54.600 like stand in front of the think they're not they're fans. 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.639 So they came and I was with Um. I drove 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:00.320 because I'm a dork and not a rich dude who 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.119 was going to pay for an uber X to this 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:05.440 Hollywood party, and so I was given Echo and then 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.159 our friend Amber Stevens West a ride and at the 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:12.000 time Amber was in Ghosted Echo is Mr Terrific. So 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.760 they had all these people snapping pictures and it was 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.320 funny to see someone like they looked at me, they 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:22.280 squinted and then just took a picture. Just Oh, maybe 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.760 he'll be the hot man I'm in love with next season. 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:27.000 But he's not the hot one. I'm in love with 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:30.560 this who you are, but you might be somebody well 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:33.840 and that was what was so slight. But so when 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:37.480 um they did the first crossover between Supergirl, which at 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:39.720 the time was an ABC and then The Flash, which 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.320 is at c W, one of the jokes that they 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:48.520 had someone make was you all look like the ethnically diverse, um, 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.960 you know, attractive but assuming cast of a c W show. 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:56.200 Love it. I love when they're self aware. Yeah, well 0:20:56.200 --> 0:21:00.480 ABC they stopped making those jokes since an They're like, 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.080 we're cutting it. Those job did now that you're at 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:06.479 the W. So Sarah Michelle Gellar said that she watched 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:09.760 the original movie to prepare for the role and that 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.919 that's actually not what they wanted at all, So she 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:15.639 had to come back. She said, and I quote quite 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:19.040 a few more times to audition for Buffy before she 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:22.439 got it. And this is literally in fact, Buffy actually 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:25.879 didn't get picked up by Warner Brothers after their presentation. 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:27.800 So they did this whole thing. They cast it, they 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:31.280 shot a pilot or yeah, did a pilot presentation for them, 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:33.840 and one of the producers were saying that they looked 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:35.280 at what they did pick up and they picked up 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:41.440 Seventh Heaven instead. Very different, so very different. Yeah, it 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:45.240 looks like they did. But then four months later they 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:49.840 finally picked up Buffy the Vampires later. Oh yeah, so 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:53.800 it premiered in March ten. I'm not going to tell 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:55.560 you how long it's been since we were born at 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:57.679 that time because that's too much math for me. But 0:21:57.800 --> 0:21:59.880 just know if I was better at math, you would here. 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:04.479 But it ran for a minute because it started and 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:07.399 ended ten days after the launch in two thousand and 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:11.200 three on up N Big Jump. Usually that the up 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:14.440 N was where the uh where shows went to die, 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.120 also where all the black shows were, which is why 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.560 you people network what they used to be. My mom 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:24.240 called it the underpaid Negroes. Oh your mom, the nice 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:28.480 version of you people network. Yeah, but yeah, so U 0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:30.720 p N but they had the hits. That's where we 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:34.040 had to go to watch all I think hits. I 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:38.560 mean they had shows that I enjoyed, but they they 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:42.960 were not hits. Whatever they know because in blind Items, 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:45.520 if you're talking about even the CW, it's still like 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:48.719 barely network when they talk about it, And so if 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:50.840 you're going back looking at up N, it's probably like, 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:55.239