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Speaker 2: Welcome to Jenkins and Jones on the Volume podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: It is Thursday, September sixteenth, and we have got a

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Speaker 2: lot of great stuff to talk about. We're gonna do

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Speaker 2: some tenable untenable. We are reading the first couple chapters.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna discuss the first couple chapters of How the

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Speaker 2: Word Is Passed by Clint Smith, which is our new

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Speaker 2: book pick. And we're gonna talk about fashion, which is

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Speaker 2: something that we're actually the world's leading experts on, so

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited about that. As always, Jenkins and Jones

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Speaker 2: is opposed to by my good friends Dragonfly Jones aka Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, I'm a gum.

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Speaker 2: Jethro Jenkins a cage.

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Speaker 4: You threw a little season on that motherfucker, ddy a

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Speaker 4: little bit more, a little bit more flamming that motherfucker.

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Speaker 3: What's that?

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Speaker 2: Bubba's The taff cams are activated.

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Speaker 3: We are recording, We're.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say I just the intro thing is

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Speaker 2: always so funny to me because the whole reason you're

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Speaker 2: supposed to say who's on the show and then have

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Speaker 2: them say something and so people know what their voices

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Speaker 2: sound like. Neither one of you has ever used your

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Speaker 2: real voice ever in the however many years long history.

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Speaker 4: Lame doesn't sound like this is John, You know what

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Speaker 4: I mean? Hey, guys, I'm John Michael Boboro. Like, I'm

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Speaker 4: not that serious, dog, this is not a real podcast,

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Speaker 4: which is homiees talking.

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Speaker 3: You feel me like people just happen to fuck with it.

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Speaker 2: I made a joke a couple of weeks ago that

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Speaker 2: we need a whole episode from Tyler in that voice,

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Speaker 2: and a couple of people tweeted me and we're like,

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Speaker 2: I know you were joking, but I just want to

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Speaker 2: be very serious that I do not know.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely God, I bet I bet heard it.

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Speaker 2: They were like.

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Speaker 3: In their car talking to you. Hell no, Mike, fuck you,

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Speaker 3: fuck you?

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Speaker 2: All right? Uh So let's start with tenable untenable? Guys?

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Speaker 2: What's are tenable or untenable? Celebrity tweets about COVID nineteen

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Speaker 2: is the comedy worth the ignorance. We're obviously going to

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Speaker 2: talk about the Nicki Minaju one, but right before we

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Speaker 2: started recording, Kyrie Irving just tweeted, uh, my mask is off,

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Speaker 2: now take yours off.

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Speaker 3: No fear, no fear. It's not sheep. Right the fuck.

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Speaker 1: People are approaching this as taking precautions, show that you're scared,

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Speaker 1: instead of showing that you're looking out for your fellow man.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Like, I'm dude, I get sick once or twice a year.

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Speaker 1: Like my immune system is great. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I'm not quote unquote scared of COVID. I am scared

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Speaker 1: of passing it on to people. I'm scared of my mom,

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Speaker 1: who's been smoking to see since she was twenty five,

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Speaker 1: I just think that whole no fear shit. It's such

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Speaker 1: macho bullshit, But that is the American exceptionalism that has

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Speaker 1: been the fucking downfall of this whole COVID experience. Everyone thinks,

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Speaker 1: you know, oh, we're a tough guy, We're not supposed

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Speaker 1: to be scared in this country. This is the Land

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Speaker 1: of the Free end, it's just bullshit. Bro, Just look

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Speaker 1: out for your fellow man and put that fucking mask

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Speaker 4: I mean at first, we all were scared, right, you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean, all like what when we didn't

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Speaker 4: As we learn more about it, like we for the

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Speaker 4: but we're vaccinated, you know what I'm saying, we should

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Speaker 4: be fine, you know what I mean. So obviously I'm

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Speaker 4: not wearing a mask for fucking me, you know what

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Speaker 3: Like I'm I'm not a bro.

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Speaker 4: If it was just me out here, I'd be out

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Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. We the streets would not be dead.

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Speaker 4: You feel me, You know, I'm doing it for the

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Speaker 4: it's it's really ignorant. I think it's willfully ignorant to

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Speaker 4: Right right right, But no fear that's to me, that's

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Speaker 4: that's that's like, that's a that's willful ignorance. We're not

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Speaker 4: I don't know why you would even say that anymore.

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Speaker 4: It's and it's dangerous. It's dangerous. I mean, it's this,

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Speaker 4: this took away the fun of the Nicki Minaj shit

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no, We're gonna bring it back.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna bring it back around. But I but I

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Speaker 2: is you could write this tweet about anything and it

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Speaker 2: would be effective, right because like it's just how Americans

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Speaker 2: or why are like are you wearing a sheet belt

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Speaker 2: because you're a pussy you know, like, oh you.

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Speaker 4: When you ask them about guns. I have the right

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Speaker 4: to protect my family from who, nigga from who? You

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Speaker 4: scary ass motherfucker. You need a gun to feel comfortable here?

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Speaker 4: You exist within within fear constantly. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: motherfucker's out here carrying guns to them at all times.

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Speaker 3: What the fuck do you call that? But we you

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Speaker 2: And we talked about like the most of effective way

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Speaker 2: to say that like they're a pussy if they don't

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Speaker 2: motivation happens. I don't remember if I brought it up

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Speaker 2: was are you afraid You'll like it? And their sales

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Speaker 4: Challenge me, you know what I'm saying that, Marty McFly,

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Speaker 4: don't call me chicken.

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Speaker 3: You know, like.

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Speaker 2: Everyone everyone in this country, And I do feel like

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Speaker 2: if something went crazy right now, I put that motherfucker

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Speaker 4: Ass nigga, shut up, dogy dog.

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Speaker 3: That's wild as wild to me.

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Speaker 2: But but anyway, that was That's the point I wanted

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Speaker 2: is you can say no, like don't be afraid of

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Speaker 2: that about anything. And it's like, that's what No. I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's fear. I think there's a difference between

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Speaker 2: my response is, are you afraid to wear a mask?

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Speaker 2: You know, like you too much? You were supposed you

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Speaker 2: to wear a mask? Is the mask on your face

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Speaker 2: that big of a deals? If you like nuts on

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Speaker 2: your chin? Like, what's your problem?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: All right? Speaking?

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Speaker 3: I hate us speaking nuts, I hate I hate us.

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Speaker 4: I hate a whole Like the way we operate here

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Speaker 4: is just fucking sickening, bro Anyway.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of testes, Nicki Minaj tweeted a tweet that has

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Speaker 2: one hundred and thirteen thousand quote tweets. My cousin and

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Speaker 2: it and became impotent, his testicles became swollen. His friend

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Speaker 2: was weeks away from getting married. Now the girl called

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Speaker 2: sure you're comfortable with your decision. Not bullied, gentlemen, what.

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Speaker 3: Is t do you think it was? Definitely wasn't a

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Speaker 3: fucking vaccine. Ma's was out here with fuck it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's why the wedding is all my gee, and

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Speaker 4: that's why.

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Speaker 3: His balls are swollen, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if this even happened, bro, Like, I

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Speaker 1: put way too much dought into this swollen ball hypothetical

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Speaker 1: that I should have. But I'm not sure if the

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Speaker 1: swollen ball dude exists. I'm not sure if the cousin exists.

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Speaker 1: The only person you know who was real at all

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Speaker 1: of this is Nicki Minaje, right Like, that's the only

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Speaker 3: I really put a lot of voter to this ship.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So if Nicki Minaj's cousin exists.

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Speaker 3: And really said this.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't necessarily mean that the cousin's friend exists, right,

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Speaker 1: because the cousin could have lied. Okay, now watching what

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Speaker 1: if your friend actually does exist?

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Speaker 3: This man be watching a lot of what if?

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Speaker 2: Tyler?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So now, now, if the cousin's friend exists, that

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Speaker 1: means the cousin exists. And we know Nicki Minaj exists,

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Speaker 1: so that means everyone exists here.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: But here's my thing, I'm not sure if the cousin

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Speaker 1: don't think that a dude would open up to his

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Speaker 1: homegirl about, you know, his nut situation, right, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that that that men most men will

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Speaker 3: And I a don't think this.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that a marriage being called off as

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Speaker 1: the devastating plotline, like, men don't give a fuck about that,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So I don't think the

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Speaker 3: Hypothetical. That's where I'm at with it.

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Speaker 2: What if?

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Speaker 3: What if you're way too much thought to this shit?

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Speaker 2: Bro? Wait, here's my what if response? What if it

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Speaker 2: is a woman cousin and the friend is a man,

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Speaker 2: and Nicki Minaja's cousin is the one who slept with

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Speaker 2: the man and gave him the clasp and fucked his wedding.

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Speaker 2: It's a big class. So what if Nicki Minaj is

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Speaker 2: hearing man? My name's getting dragged through the streets in

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Speaker 2: Trinidad right now. My cousin's out here being a homewrecord.

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Speaker 2: So she calls her cousin, and the cousin says, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know what, he got the vaccine and his boss

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Speaker 2: that's why they called the wedding off. You know, I'm

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Speaker 2: not out here ruining the Minaj name.

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Speaker 1: Here's here's here's another point that that I forgot to

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Speaker 1: She does not strike me as someone who conversates with

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Speaker 4: But the thing is, what if the cousin exists, and

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Speaker 3: You feel me. I don't know, bro, I don't. We

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Speaker 4: I think it's bullshit. I think the cousin may exist,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if the dude actually exists.

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Speaker 3: She's like you said, she's super rich.

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Speaker 4: She's in a text record that I can't even understand,

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: But like this is what you go. I mean, Rappers

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Speaker 2: So she's like and this is this is why I

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Speaker 3: Takeisha my cousin like she had us all that it's

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Speaker 1: And also also look at all the distancing in Nicki

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Speaker 3: Don't add up.

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Speaker 1: She's lying, bro, So that's I feel like, And why

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean? What happened to a good

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Speaker 3: Something like That's that's That's a lot going in.

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Speaker 4: That's a lot of thought into just saying, at why

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Speaker 2: I'm already nervous for when the show drops tomorrow because Tyler,

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Speaker 4: Breakdown that Tyler had. They have a clip? What is

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Speaker 4: I was actually thinking? I said, this is a clip.

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Speaker 2: But the craziest people I know on Twitter don't write

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Speaker 1: For reason, like, hey, click on tweet, mute this conversation.

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Speaker 1: That's how that's going the fuck Matt, I might can

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Speaker 1: I mute it ahead of time. Is that a blue

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Speaker 3: Like a lot of I gotta email that helped us.

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Speaker 2: Hey, they're gonna put this tweet up about nine o'clock Pacific,

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Speaker 2: and uh, I don't even want to know that it happened.

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Speaker 2: Can you build me a little silo that I can

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Speaker 4: Everything definitely muting the term no fear we're getting We're

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Speaker 2: Do you feel absolutely speaking of the MET, the three

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Speaker 2: That's just that's one thing I would say, and the

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Speaker 2: you when you see people wearing this fashion that we

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Speaker 1: Uh, you know, all joke aside, Absolutely do not fucking understand,

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Speaker 1: Like like I'm a I'm a plain solid tea motherfucker

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Speaker 1: like gray black and white solities, Like that's my whole shit.

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Speaker 3: You know, some fucking joggers some fucking nikes.

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Speaker 1: Like that's my whole get up, you know, and I

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Speaker 1: out there in quilts. Motherfuckers are in public in quilts,

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Speaker 1: like and then you drop the.

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Speaker 3: Quilt, you know.

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Speaker 1: Acep Rocket took that quote over showed that little week

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Speaker 3: Tux seed on and the crowd went wild.

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Speaker 1: I was like, this motherfucker like he about to do

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Speaker 1: I will never understand fashion, and I'm cool with it.

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Speaker 1: I never want to be if you consider me fashionable,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I have failed that something.

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Speaker 1: I'm a cozy boy, That's what I am. I'm cozy

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Speaker 4: What tripped me out about that was like, like I

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Speaker 4: Like that ship was beefie as fuck, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean, Like there was nothing chic or whatever the

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Speaker 4: fuck you would cut those words, you know, what I mean, Like,

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Speaker 4: I look at he threw that ship down, and I gasped,

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Speaker 4: and everybody else is like like, y'a almost like what

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Speaker 4: y'all like this weak ass shit? I thought Rihanna was

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Speaker 4: actually laughing at him because it was it was silly, you.

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Speaker 3: Know what I mean? But I guess I don't. I don't,

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Speaker 3: I don't, I don't know, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I look at fashion, it's like an art form right

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Speaker 4: when the met Gala is just like an art exhibit

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Speaker 3: So I understand that.

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Speaker 4: But I'm looking at like the sillhou watt of that

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Speaker 3: Like you said, was that's a street It's just an

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Speaker 4: We've seen that, like you know what, We seen that

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Speaker 4: that it you know what I mean? It meant, but

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Speaker 1: I mean, like everybody went crazy. Rihanna looked at him.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I don't understand any of this.

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Speaker 3: One of the most.

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Speaker 3: I thought she was laughing. God, Stuart, little ass tuxedough.

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Speaker 4: Laughing because he threw the quiltog and it was just

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Speaker 3: It was weird. I don't know, but dog, that shit was.

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Speaker 4: I did not get the same feeling that all the

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Speaker 2: Like, well, and Russell Westbrook was out here with the

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Speaker 3: I just that looked tight to me. That looked tight

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Speaker 2: It all looks about the same to me.

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Speaker 2: It's just like like, like, here's my view of fashion

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Speaker 3: You feel that's Russ That's that's our russy.

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Speaker 2: No. One hundred. It doesn't change my I still like

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Speaker 2: It doesn't change my opinion of him. It's just he's

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: They was out there, you know, saying doing any thing.

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Speaker 2: There are some like no one appreciates all art forms, right,

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Speaker 2: Like I understand that fashion and that dancing or like

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Speaker 2: And that's okay. I don't make fun of people who

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Speaker 2: same thing with clothes. Like I used to watch a

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, apps sure, like one hundred percent, Like okay, I.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 4: I like the concept of the kilt because it's like

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Speaker 4: and it I mean, like I wouldn't wear a kill,

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Speaker 4: what trips me out is LIKE i was, thinking, like

437
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Speaker 4: how like insane Everything Frank ocean does is you know

438
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 4: WHAT i? Mean like how like people are like so

439
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Speaker 4: enamored with everything he, Does like he came in with

440
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 4: the like the animatronic doll and everybody was talking about,

441
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 4: that his druri and, shit And i'm just looking at this,

442
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 4: man like the dude makes great art right like he's

443
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 4: he's he's BUT i mean like he's not what you

444
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 4: think of as a guy as famous as he is to,

445
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 4: me he's somewhat of a, phenomenon but like you take the,

446
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 4: parts you take him, apart and like look at him,

447
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 4: Alone like they're, great but you wouldn't think they add

448
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 4: up to what they are where he's, like you, know

449
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 4: people lose their mind when they See Frank, ocean you

450
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 4: know What i'm, Saying and like this is the same

451
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Speaker 4: dude that rides his bike and like fucking cut off

452
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 4: sweats and A t, shirt you know WHAT i. Mean

453
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 4: and like his music is, great but nobody truly. Understands

454
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 4: we don't know why we like, It like do you

455
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Speaker 4: know what he's talking? About in half of his? Songs

456
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 4: we feel, it but we don't know, it you know

457
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Speaker 4: What i'm. Saying like it's jewelry's going crazy and it's,

458
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Speaker 4: tight but like like but people are losing their mind over.

459
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Speaker 4: It it's it's he's he's he's he's interesting me WHEN

460
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 4: i was watching that and like see him walking around

461
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Speaker 4: with the animatronic doll and like his hair, dyed you, know,

462
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 4: crazy but you know What i'm, Saying like and see

463
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 4: people talk about, Him it's, like, damn why Did Frank

464
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Speaker 4: ocean Become Frank?

465
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Speaker 3: Ocean BUT i don't. Know that's nothing to do with.

466
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Speaker 3: Fashion Frank ocean, Born oh really.

467
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Speaker 2: Crazy so he had the, boost he got the he

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Speaker 2: got the plug, out the multiplier.

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Speaker 3: Run yeah, yeah Ring son rings at the.

470
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Speaker 2: WALL i THINK i think he lived here for about

471
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Speaker 2: a week before they.

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Speaker 5: Moved, yeah born In Long, beach grew up In New. Orleans,

473
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Speaker 5: Bro like you knew he was gonna be, there we,

474
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Speaker 5: go if that makes. Sense but, yeah, yo, kilts. Kilts

475
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Speaker 5: kilts probably kilts are probably comfortable as.

476
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Speaker 1: Fuck like you ever hop out the shower and you,

477
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Speaker 1: know you put your towel around your waist and you're,

478
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Speaker 1: like hold, on it's comfortable as. Fuck i'm about to

479
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Speaker 1: just spend all day LIKE i do that probably a.

480
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Speaker 4: Couple of times a week WHERE i how about the

481
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Speaker 4: shower and just at night and just don't PUT i

482
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Speaker 4: keep the towel on for the rest of.

483
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Speaker 3: The, night you know WHAT i?

484
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Speaker 2: Mean, like, YEAH i mean, skirts skirts or or kilts

485
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Speaker 2: or you, know whatever you want to call. Them like

486
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Speaker 2: that probably makes more sense than, pants you, know like

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Speaker 2: in some, regards unless you're walking Over long. DOWN i don't,

488
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Speaker 2: know but like it's it certainly seems like it would.

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Speaker 3: Be, Easy LIKE i think we really that it would be,

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Speaker 3: comforting you know WHAT i?

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Speaker 4: Mean, yeah but, Yeah i'm just you, KNOW i, think,

492
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Speaker 4: bro LIKE i got, shoulders Like i'm six, three But

493
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Speaker 4: i'm not five to.

494
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Speaker 3: Eleven SO i THINK i gotta play it real. Cool

495
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Speaker 3: the SHIP i, CHOOSE i.

496
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Speaker 4: STICK i stick THE t shirts and LIKE i might

497
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Speaker 4: switch it from my pants some cargo pants ever so,

498
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Speaker 4: often BUT i keep it real, simple, bro you know

499
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Speaker 4: WHAT i mean when you're.

500
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Speaker 2: Like the one that the one that's hard, for the

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Speaker 2: one THAT i can't wrap my brain. Around and this

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Speaker 2: is a stupid thing to, admit is. Uh for about ten,

503
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Speaker 2: years the younger, generation the teens have been on the

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Speaker 2: short shorts, wave and it's still every TIME i see

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Speaker 2: it as a product of the nineties In Long, Beach,

506
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Speaker 2: california it's like your short should be seven times larger than.

507
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Speaker 2: That still the short.

508
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Speaker 3: Shorts, STILL i like the quads. Out i'm fucking with.

509
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Speaker 2: It the thing with me IS i have quads. TOO

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Speaker 2: i should have a. Game BUT i just, like to,

511
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Speaker 2: me if my shorts don't touch my, KNEES i feel

512
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Speaker 2: LIKE i did, something you know WHAT i, Mean Like

513
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Speaker 2: i'm about to get, SLAPPED i.

514
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Speaker 3: Gott to join us in the.

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Speaker 4: Future, dog this, man at two thousand and, six you

516
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Speaker 4: still wear your shorts under your.

517
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Speaker 3: J's nigga ready to hoop it all the?

518
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Speaker 2: Time you feel?

519
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Speaker 3: Me, no, man but like, yeah LIKE i don't with,

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Speaker 3: Shorts i'm cool with that.

521
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Speaker 4: Shit but like the other, THINGS i, think like with my,

522
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Speaker 4: fashion when WHEN i stopped being fucking with like fashion

523
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Speaker 4: was when skinny jeans, Came BECAUSE i, REMEMBER i remember

524
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Speaker 4: the exact moment being an urban outfit is trying on skinny,

525
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Speaker 4: jeans pulling my, jeans trying them on to like, this

526
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Speaker 4: ain't it pulling them? Down and it pulled my drawls with,

527
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Speaker 4: them and my dick was just out in the fucking

528
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Speaker 4: And i'm, like this is where it, is BRO i

529
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Speaker 4: WAS i THINK i was twenty. Four i'm, like this

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Speaker 4: is where it. Is, Dog like we just flannels and

531
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Speaker 4: and and we regular nigga shit from here on. Now,

532
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Speaker 4: dog you ain't built for where this is. Headed you

533
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Speaker 4: know WHAT i? Mean literally physic, PHYSICALLY i can't go

534
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Speaker 4: with these, people you know What i'm, Saying, LIKE.

535
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Speaker 2: I think anyone who knows, you who listens to the

536
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Speaker 2: pod has a very clear image of you At urban outfittersh.

537
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Speaker 4: Like that, said it's like a vivid if it was

538
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539
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Speaker 4: time it, is you know WHAT i. MEAN i don't,

540
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Speaker 4: know But i'm. Open i'm an open. Person i'm open,

541
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Speaker 4: minded you know WHAT i. MEAN i tried and the

542
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Speaker 4: universe was, like, no, nigga fuck is you take your

543
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Speaker 4: ass out Of urban and go take your trying to

544
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Speaker 4: pack your.

545
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Speaker 3: Take your ass back To. Dillers, nigga this ain't made for.

546
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Speaker 4: You get you some polo bitch using a shoe worn

547
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Speaker 4: trying cramp mods into the Fucking, like my only pants

548
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Speaker 4: are like car hard pants for the most, part you

549
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Speaker 4: know WHAT i. Mean LIKE i went right to WHERE

550
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551
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Speaker 4: like car working progress and held me down since so

552
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553
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Speaker 4: out in the fucking you know it's in the changing

554
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555
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Speaker 4: you everything you need to. Know but naked in the

556
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557
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Speaker 4: nigga get the funk out of here.

558
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563
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Speaker 2: out here reading Uh tyler's favorite type of, writer Book,

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Speaker 2: is passed By Clint. SMITH i think we we had

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00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: told people last episode to read through the end Of Angola,

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Speaker 2: prison but, uh we are going to stop a chapter

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Speaker 2: short of, that Because john had some birthing classes that

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00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: are more important to him than reading this book at

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00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: the moment for some. Reason so we are talking about

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Speaker 2: the first two, chapters which are about the which actually

618
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: is a better stopping point because the first two chapter

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Speaker 2: there's a sort of mirrors of each, other The Monticello,

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Speaker 2: think we Had tyler do. That but the REASON i

622
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: picked this book IS i Heard Clint, smith who's similar

623
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: To hanife who we had on last. Week clint is

624
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: a poet who needs to make a living so also

625
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: writes other. Things he writes For The. Atlantic brilliant. WRITER

626
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: i knew him as a soccer writer, INITIALLY i, think

627
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: and then he's been brilliant writing everything that he's ever.

628
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: Written and then this book Was the subtitle is a

629
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: reckoning with the history of slavery Across, america AND i

630
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: think it's sort of the missing. Book john AND i

631
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: have talked about this with warmth of other sons as

632
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: well By Isabel, wilkerson about the great migration of black

633
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: people out of The. South but this book to me

634
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: is like the missing history. Book like AND i had

635
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: lived progressive history teachers WHO i never really got THE

636
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: i don't, KNOW i never really got. Whatever the standard

637
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: line is THAT i guess a lot of people will

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00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: sort of get About, america like we learned the truth

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00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: About Christopher columbus in eighth grade in my history, class you, know,

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00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: so but we Never but there's still a huge problem

641
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: with the Way america talks about and thinks about slavery

642
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: as a piece of its history and as really something

643
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: that's woven throughout its whole. History AND i Heard clint

644
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: on a on another podcast and he was sort of

645
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: pitching the, book and as soon as he said, that

646
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: as soon as they mentioned that he was a, POET

647
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: i was, Like, OKAY i need to definitely make SURE

648
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: i check this out because it's a heavy. Book it's

649
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: not necessarily SOMETHING i would have picked, up BUT i

650
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: think it's important that we confront this huge part of

651
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: the country's history as a. COUNTRY a lot of people

652
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: have written about the way That germany confronts its history

653
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: with The nazis And World War two so much more

654
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: bluntly than we do our history with, slavery and, that you,

655
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: know people think that that's part of why they were

656
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: able to maybe more successful at moving past. That, Right

657
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: like we were just talking last, episode they just took

658
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: down A ROBERT. E lee statue In tyler's, Hometown like

659
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: this dude tried to overthrow the country and there was

660
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: an elementary school named after him In long, beach you,

661
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: know for the longest. Time so, like that's the history

662
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: of the country THAT i Think clint is trying to

663
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: fill in, Here and the way the book is told

664
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: is by visiting different locations that are trying to reckon

665
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: with that, history not just setting The. South there's a

666
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: chapter later in the book where he Visits New york

667
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: that was actually particularly impactful for. Me but that's the

668
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: pitch on the. BOOK i think it's beautifully. WRITTEN i

669
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: think he absolutely is a, poet and that kind of

670
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: makes it easier to take some of the hard stuff

671
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: that's in the. Book and the first two chapters are

672
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: talking about The Monticello, plantation which is Where Thomas jefferson,

673
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: lived which is basically a monument To Thomas jefferson with

674
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: some additional tours and lessons about slavery that the people

675
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: who work there have been sort of changing that and

676
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: putting that more into the history they. Acknowledge and then

677
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: the second chapter is about The Whitney, plantation WHICH i

678
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: think is the only plantation in the country that's, like

679
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: this is not a nice house for people to get married.

680
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: At this is here as a museum about slavery and

681
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: what people went, through SO i, thought you, know it's

682
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: a nice place to start the book and talking about

683
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: the book because they're so sort of opposed to each.

684
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: Other before we start really the, CONVERSATION i do want

685
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: to mention that The Whitney plantation WAS i, think really

686
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: severely damaged By Hurricane ida a couple of weeks, ago

687
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: and there are all tweeted out, tomorrow but there's a

688
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: you can go and donate to try and help them re,

689
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: built because it is a nonprofit that exists to teach

690
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: this this really important part of our history and it

691
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: is unfortunately kind of unique in the country and doing.

692
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: So so just keep that in mind as we talk about,

693
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: it that that's how tenuous it is in this country

694
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: to actually teach people this. Shit that if a hurricane

695
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 2: hits one part Of, louisiana one of the only real

696
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: museums that's doing that work can be kind of knocked.

697
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: Down so that's my intro and my preamble about WHY

698
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 2: i kind of picked. It but what was your guys

699
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: reaction to you, know the first one hundred pages or

700
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: so of the.

701
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: Book you, know you mentioned that this book is taking

702
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: an approach to kind of you, know shed some light

703
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 1: and kind of you, know debunk some conceptions of. Slavery

704
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: AND i think that's absolutely. RIGHT i think that in this,

705
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: Book clint IS i feel like so often we look

706
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,479
Speaker 1: at slavery from you, know a macro point of, view

707
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: like the wide eye, lens like this happened over hundreds

708
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: of years to millions of, people rather than you, know

709
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: this happened to, Families this happened to, Grandmothers this happened to,

710
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: mothers this happened to little, sisters you know WHAT i.

711
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: Mean and there's a paragraph in here that kind, of you,

712
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: know hammered that point home Where clint was talking about

713
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: when he went to The monticello tour and he met

714
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: these two middle aged white women from Like florida who

715
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: were touring. There their names Were donn And, grace and

716
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: you know they said, that you, know they had no

717
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: idea that That Thomas jefferson was a slaveholder and you,

718
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: know was overseeing all these atrocities that happened on the.

719
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: Plantation And i'm gonna read this paragraph right. Quick So

720
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: donn And grace and so many, people specifically white, people

721
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: often have understood slavery and those held in his grips

722
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 1: only in abstract. Terms they do not see the, faces

723
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: they cannot picture the, Hands they do not hear the

724
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: fear or the. Laughter they do not consider that these

725
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: were children like their, own or that these were people

726
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: who had birthdays and weddings and, funerals who loved and

727
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: celebrated one, another just as they loved and celebrated their loved.

728
00:35:58,600 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 3: Ones SO i think that was.

729
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: Kind of you, know the paragraph that kind of, summarized you,

730
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: know What clint's objective is with this, book and you,

731
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: know so so for the first chapter with With, manticello

732
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: it feels like that WAS i feel Like clint's, objective

733
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: and that was to debunk the, mythologizing the flat out

734
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: line of the notion of benevolent slave, owners you know

735
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: WHAT i, mean because that's kind of what what people

736
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: have used to Justify Thomas. Jefferson like you, know if

737
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: you look at you, know the way that we're taught about,

738
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: history it's always kind of been, connotated like you, Know

739
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: George washington he was the military braun And Thomas jefferson

740
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: he was the great mind that built this, nation, right

741
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: and you, KNOW i think they said he owned up

742
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: close to like thirteen hundred slaves in his lifetime on On,

743
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: MONTICELLO i, think and the whole notion of a benevolent

744
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: slave owner is a fucking, oxymoron because you cannot be

745
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: benevolent while owning people and committing these atrocities and physically,

746
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: punishing you, know people for stepping out of bounds and

747
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: separating family for your own profit and. Such there's no

748
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: such thing as a benevolent slave. Owner, so you, KNOW

749
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: i thought that that was a good chapter right. There

750
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: and in regards to the bunk of, That.

751
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 3: Yvonne talks about that she in The Whitney.

752
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 4: Plantation she talks about how people will ask her were

753
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 4: there any good slave? Owners and her response, is regardless

754
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 4: of how these individuals fed people they, owned regardless of

755
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 4: how they clothed, them regardless of if they never laid

756
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 4: a hand on, them they were still sanctioning the. System

757
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 4: you can't, say, hey this person kidnapped her, child but

758
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 4: they fed, them, well they were a good. Person how,

759
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 4: sir does that? Sound you know WHAT i? Mean, like

760
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 4: and you could see how frustrated she. Was she talked

761
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: about how frustrated she was when that question was even,

762
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 4: Asked like how she had to you know WHAT i, Mean,

763
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 4: like were there any good slave owners to make you feel? Good,

764
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 4: no the system as a whole was. Trashed you participated in.

765
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 4: That you were fucking trash, too you know What i'm.

766
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 4: Saying BUT i thought it was there was A let me,

767
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 4: see it's the last paragraph of The monicello joined. In

768
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 4: this made me WANT i like this this book because

769
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 4: like you, said you, Said, mike you said it was.

770
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: Heavy but he's a.

771
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 4: Poet he only lets his poet like the poet in

772
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 4: him kind of seep through in certain moments because when

773
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 4: he is describing a, moment you can feel like the

774
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 4: and then it hits you right in the face with

775
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 4: a fucking you know What i'm. Saying but, Uh, david

776
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 4: the tour guide From, monticello who was, like you, know you,

777
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 4: know kind of you, know it seemed like it would

778
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 4: be conflicting that he was in The navy for so.

779
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 4: Long he was a you, know a military, man you

780
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 4: know What i'm, saying before, coming but he was like

781
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 4: hella honest and telling folks exactly what Fucking tommy, was

782
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 4: you know WHAT i.

783
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 3: Mean, yeah he Had.

784
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: Clint asked a.

785
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 4: Question when he visited before he left after the second

786
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 4: time he, visited and this made me want to, Visit

787
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 4: like this is WHY i think it's important for people

788
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 4: to go and visit these. Places but, uh AND i was,

789
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 4: Again i'm gonna take my daughter to these. Motherfuckers i'm

790
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 4: taking him to The Monticello plantation And i'm.

791
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 3: Taking the Fucking.

792
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 4: Whitney she will she you, KNOW i want her to

793
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 4: understand it in a different way from just reading, books

794
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 4: because you, know we were we were taught about, slavey

795
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 4: but we weren't taught the.

796
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 3: Truth you know What i'm.

797
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 4: Saying they always manipulated saying things like calling you, Know George,

798
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 4: washington you know What i'm, Saying, uh the saying he

799
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 4: can never tell a, lie but he had in his

800
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 4: mouth he actually had teeth up. Slaves you know What i'm,

801
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 4: saying he had torn out of their. Mouth you know

802
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 4: What i'm, Saying, like that's that you, know that's that's absolute.

803
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 4: Bullshit you manipulating the truth in ways that it's it's just.

804
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 4: Ridiculous but, Anyway, uh he, said one of the last

805
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 4: this is the last paragraph of the Montela Tello plantation

806
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 4: up uh. Chapter one of the last Things david said

807
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 4: BEFORE i left my second tour In, monticello spoke to this,

808
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 4: duality talking, about you, Know Thomas jefferson's.

809
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 3: Duality you're, Here, uh you're.

810
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 4: Here sally's, Brother James hemmings got beat, here not in a.

811
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 3: Book right right here is where that.

812
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 4: Happened when one save people In monticella were auction After jefferson's.

813
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: Death it was right there in the west lawn behind.

814
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 4: Us david, continued it happened right. There And jefferson's idea

815
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 4: is about The declaration Of. Independence even though he wrote

816
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 4: that document In, philadelphia his whole idea where he was

817
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 4: going was formulated right here on this mountain, top you

818
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 4: know What i'm. Saying, so, like you, know LIKE i

819
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,479
Speaker 4: thought that was a great way of showing, like, yeah

820
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 4: like he, did he, did you, know write The declaration Of,

821
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 4: independence but he wrote it you, know it wasn't surrounded by,

822
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 4: slaves you, know understanding that they wouldn't participate in that

823
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 4: in the way that you know What i'm, saying the

824
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 4: way that he was writing, it you know What i'm.

825
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 4: Saying BUT i, THOUGHT i, thought LIKE i, SAID i

826
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 4: loved how it was written because we do get to

827
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 4: see the. Poetry it kind of, like you, know it's

828
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 4: like a like a palate, cleanser because it can be

829
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 4: hard to read parts of this in her niece's. Book you,

830
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 4: know it's it's poetry is, everywhere you know WHAT i.

831
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 4: Mean here's, like, yo here's the little. Poetry now deal

832
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 4: with this fucking, truth you know What i'm. Saying, like

833
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 4: AND i think that's that's a really smart way to

834
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 4: deliver messages that are this difficult to, watch you, know to,

835
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 4: Read like with The whitney way he described like the

836
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 4: images of the heads on stakes from the you, know

837
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 4: signifying the people that you, know had the uprising In

838
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 4: louisiana at The Whitney. Plant it was the description was

839
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 4: what was beautiful which allowed us to you, know read

840
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 4: it without you know What i'm, saying read a very

841
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 4: troubling you know truth without like you, KNOW i need

842
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 4: to put this book down for a, second you know

843
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 4: WHAT i, Mean like you, know allows you to keep.

844
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: Going SO i appreciate.

845
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: That first of, ALL i just want to say we

846
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: mentioned when we first started talking about the About hanie's

847
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: book that LIKE i WOULD i would just wish it

848
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: was more of a normal thing to like read books

849
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: with your friends and talk about. Them BECAUSE i literally

850
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: had marked the exact same passage That nyler to, read

851
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 2: like you never that's like you never get that from

852
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: like you never get that from like liking the same

853
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: scene in a, movie you know WHAT i? Mean like

854
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 2: that that was that tripped me. OUT I i think

855
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: something that the simplest move he made in this, book

856
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: but THAT i think changes the perspective for the whole,

857
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 2: thing is that he never uses the word. Slaves he

858
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: uses the phrase enslaved. People AND i think that that

859
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: is the exact shift That john was talking. About we

860
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: talk about slavery and we talk, about, oh there were

861
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: quote unquote slaves when we talk about the history of,

862
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: country but that's Not it's exactly What tyler, Said and

863
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 2: that was WHY i had marked the same. Passage is

864
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: the way that you reckon with the history is to

865
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: understand the, numbers is to understand that every time you

866
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 2: hear one person who is, enslaved that's, you or that's your,

867
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: kid or it's your mom or it's your, dad and

868
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: they're exactly the same amount of a person as. You

869
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 2: AND i don't think THAT i think that intentionally obviously

870
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: through hundreds of years of effort we have as a

871
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: country not thought of people who are enslaved that. Way you,

872
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: know Like tyler mentioned the myths around the benevolent plantation

873
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: owner owners or you, know there's this idea of, like,

874
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: oh they were being educated and fed or you, know

875
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: and it's like, that but that's really something people were,

876
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: like and he talks about that in The Whitney. Plantation

877
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: people really put effort into getting that thought into. Textbooks

878
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: and so, this to me is the antidote for that

879
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 2: of consider every single person as yourself and think about.

880
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 2: How you think About Thomas, jefferson now think about how

881
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: and you, know as the book moves, on this is

882
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: mentioned briefly in The Whitney plantation chapter WHEN i think

883
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 2: it Was yvonne was talking about, this but she talked

884
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: about the fact that like the whole world was caught

885
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: up in this. System and he's going to get a

886
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: lot more into that later in the, book but she

887
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: said to, him poor people can now afford, sweetener which

888
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: used to be reserved for the. Elite so these individuals

889
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: are going to work and now they can start purchasing

890
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: sweetener for their afternoon tea and then they start to demand,

891
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: it and that is in direct correlation to the people

892
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: who were enslaved on these. Plantations so it helps people

893
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 2: understand that it's not cut and. Dry it's not just

894
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 2: like these overseers were sadistic. People the plantations were morally

895
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: bankrupt and, corrupt yes they, Were but also In, europe

896
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: once the appetite for sugar and chocolate and coffee and

897
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: cheap textiles and all these things started flooding the market

898
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: and people can finally buy into this larger system of

899
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: capitalism and, consumption who is at the other end of?

900
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: It and, that to me is WHAT i don't? Know

901
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: like that thinking about people who were enslaved as individual

902
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: human beings was one sort of slap in the FACE

903
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: i think that everyone. Needs and the other one is

904
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: that of thinking about like people who just, were people

905
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: who were, poets who you, know lived In england and just,

906
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: OH i can afford tea now buying sugar from the

907
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: from that was you, know produced from people working on these.

908
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: Plantations and you, KNOW i, MEAN I i dislike any

909
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 2: analogy that includes like slavery or The, holocaust because there's

910
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: singular atrocities in human. History but, similarly every store you

911
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: walk into is selling something that was made by some

912
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 2: sort of people under somebody's, boot whether that's your phone

913
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 2: or clothes or jewelry, Whatever, like that's still the way

914
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: the world. Is we've just offloaded that to other countries

915
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 2: at this, point you, Know like AND i it's sort

916
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: of hopeless in a way because there's no way to

917
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: really without investing your whole life and research and, figure,

918
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 2: like there's no way to feel like you can change.

919
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: That BUT i think it's to me it like my

920
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: in my, family we're big believers in the like nothing

921
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 2: can be fixed until it's faced. Right AND i think

922
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: that the number one thing to me is we should

923
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: we should at least know that, Right like we should

924
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 2: all understand that that is how this country got, Built

925
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 2: that that's How Wall street got, Built that that's how

926
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: liberal institutions like museums and all these other places that

927
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 2: people who are you, know anti racist and all this

928
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: other stuff like things that we all enjoy came from this.

929
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: History AND i think that this way of sort of

930
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 2: going from place to place is like a perfect way

931
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: to illustrate. THAT i GUESS i thought That donna And

932
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: grace part in The monticello chapter was like very telling

933
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: the fact THAT i think what was the phrase she

934
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: is she said this really that was.

935
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 4: SHINING i mean when you when you look at most,

936
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 4: presidents like the richest presidents were all rich off of,

937
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 4: slavery you, KNOW i, mean there was like.

938
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 3: A like a list of the the.

939
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 4: Riches the presidents from riches to you, know not, rich

940
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 4: which is which is still rich but not you know

941
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 4: What i'm, saying just less rich and the richest ones

942
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 4: were all rich due to you know What i'm, saying.

943
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 3: Due to their ability to enslave.

944
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,959
Speaker 4: People but like what tripped me out about this book,

945
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 4: too Is i've never really heard people like the depiction

946
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 4: of women and their experience in, slavery you know WHAT

947
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 4: i mean to this level where talking about like how

948
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 4: like an actual story of how this, dude this slave's

949
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 4: mom had fifteen kids all from fifteen dads because she

950
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 4: was fifteen different dudes because she was sold fifteen. Times

951
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 4: you know What i'm, Saying how like the women's there

952
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 4: were plantations where they were all women and only white

953
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 4: men were allowed to, come and they were basically breeding

954
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 4: mixed babies that were going to be.

955
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: Enslaved you know there.

956
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 4: Was a which is my fucking, god you know WHAT i?

957
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 4: Mean like how the? Horror you know What i'm. Saying

958
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 4: and then also like the story of the woman who

959
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 4: was like on the trading block and praying to a god.

960
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 3: That she may not even truly believed, in but only

961
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: believed in because.

962
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 4: That's all she had to at that point to yell

963
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 4: to ask forgiveness for so that she's not separated from.

964
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 3: Her, child you know WHAT i, Mean like how can you.

965
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 4: Think that a benevolent slave owner exists when you're hearing these,

966
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 4: stories you know What i'm, Saying and how you know you're?

967
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 4: Separating it said LIKE i think fifty or was it

968
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 4: fifty or seventy percent of children who were born into

969
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 4: slavery were separated from their, Families like my, Nigga like

970
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 4: you know What i'm, Saying like, this we're he's going

971
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 4: into the depths of how like dastardly the system. Was

972
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 4: but like it talks this is one some page sixty,

973
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 4: four the second paragraph he talks about like white supremacy

974
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 4: and like you know how it.

975
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: Is and he's.

976
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 4: Like he, SAID i thought of my primary and secondary.

977
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 4: EDUCATION i remember it feeling crippling guilt AS i silently

978
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 4: wondered why every enslaved person couldn't simply, escape Like, Douglas

979
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 4: tubman And jacob, SAID i found myself angered by the

980
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 4: stories of those who did not.

981
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 3: Escape had they not tried hard? Enough did they care

982
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 3: enough to do? Something did they choose to remain?

983
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 4: Enslave this is how this, is THIS i now realize

984
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 4: as part of the city with, insidiousness white. Supremacy it

985
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 4: illuminates the exception in order to implicitly blame those who,

986
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 4: cannot in the most brutal, circumstances attain superhuman. Heights it

987
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 4: does this instead of blaming the, system the people who built,

988
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 4: it the people who maintained.

989
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 3: It you know What i'm.

990
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 4: Saying AND i thought that was, like you, know breaking

991
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 4: down like like how like it even it affects him

992
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 4: today in grade school as a as a as a young,

993
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 4: dude questioning the slaves who didn't manage to, escape not understanding,

994
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 4: that you, know like something is the possibility of What

995
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 4: Frederick Douglass and you know What i'm, Saying Harriet, tubman

996
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 4: did you know WHAT i?

997
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 3: Mean? Uh but, yeah It's. Uh that was the other

998
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 3: part THAT i reading with.

999
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 6: Friends, yeah but but BUT i think that's that's Exactly,

1000
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 6: like tell me if you think this is, bullshit BECAUSE

1001
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 6: i want to ask you, also you guys thought about

1002
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 6: that as as black, dudes what you thought about, that

1003
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 6: about that passage about you.

1004
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 2: Know when you were learning about this stuff in, school

1005
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: but as a white kid who grew up with liberal, parents,

1006
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 2: right and you, know we talk a lot about white

1007
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: liberals and, SHIT i think this is HOW i viewed.

1008
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 2: History things used to be bad and now they're. Better

1009
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: and there was a relativity of that viewpoint that was

1010
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: like not quite a, forgiveness but, like well people back

1011
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 2: then didn't know, better, Right like was you, know segregation was,

1012
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: bad but now it's. Better slavery was, bad but then

1013
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 2: the slaves were you, know enslave people were, freed and

1014
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: so now that's that's not the thing. Anymore confronting this

1015
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 2: and seeing like and again that he gets more into

1016
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 2: this throughout the, book but seeing, that like there were

1017
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 2: a lot of people at the time who knew exactly

1018
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 2: how wrong this. Was this was not an era of

1019
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 2: living in this time where it was, like, well at the,

1020
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: time they believe this was. Acceptable and the other THING

1021
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: i would say is to read the actual. ACCOUNTS i

1022
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: don't care if it was fucking two THOUSAND, bc if

1023
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 2: it was eighteen, fifty if it's. Whatever no human being

1024
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: who could watch a mother screaming for her baby And

1025
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 2: carrie through with separating them can be considered at all

1026
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: being like there's no well back, then but then we

1027
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 2: fought a. War like that's the disruption to history for

1028
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: me is even if you were you grew up IN

1029
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 2: i grew up in a liberal city with liberal, parents

1030
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: but there's still the fairy tale of this the way

1031
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: we look at history and the way we think of

1032
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 2: the sort of narrative arc not just of our, COUNTRY i,

1033
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 2: think but of the, world and that those scenes for,

1034
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 2: me Like clint talked about being at The whitney plantation

1035
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 2: and seeing specifically the memorial setup for the at the. Church,

1036
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: yeah and in reading, IT i felt as a, father

1037
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 2: WHO i, mean you, know anyone who listened to the

1038
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: show knows like my happiest, moments the most pure moments

1039
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 2: of my life involved my, kids especially when there were

1040
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: babies and. TODDLERS i felt this panic in my chest

1041
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 2: reading that section of thinking about myself and my kids

1042
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: and what that would be. Like and then he then

1043
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: described as someone who had a two month old child

1044
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: himself feeling that same, panic and he described WHAT i

1045
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 2: would have said was an indescribable feeling, Perfectly and, yeah

1046
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 2: that was like A i had to put it down

1047
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 2: for a little bit after, that because you, DO i,

1048
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: mean you just have to think about, that, like there's

1049
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: NO i, MEAN i think there's a there's there's A

1050
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: i think a lot of white liberals out, there AND

1051
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: i would say that for quite a, WHILE i was

1052
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: one of them who were Like ROBERT. E lee's names

1053
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: shouldn't be on fucking. Anything but you, Know George, Washington Thomas,

1054
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 2: jefferson for, all quote, unquote for all their flaws, whatever you,

1055
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 2: know they they brought us forward in, history you know,

1056
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 2: whatever there were positive things about. Me you read this,

1057
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 2: stuff AND i don't think you can confront the reality

1058
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: of what owning people was and not have that color

1059
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: every other thing you think about a, person you, Know

1060
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 2: and The monticello chapter was interesting seeing how they're trying

1061
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 2: to sort of still separate those things a little. Bit but,

1062
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 2: YEAH i, DON'T i, DON'T i don't. KNOW i don't

1063
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 2: think you can read this. Book you can read this

1064
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: stuff and not have it change the way you sort

1065
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: of think about.

1066
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 4: EVERYTHING i don't, know you talked about it the human.

1067
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 4: Eye you could not the people that are participating this

1068
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 4: not being. Humans and like he talks about this a little,

1069
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 4: bit but, uh you, know like it like how slavery

1070
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 4: to humanizes. SLAVES i think the people that were less

1071
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 4: than human were the slave, owners the people that participate

1072
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 4: in the. SYSTEM i saw the humanity in the. SLAVES

1073
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 4: i connected with that. COMMANITY i couldn't connect with the

1074
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 4: humanity of the slave. OWNERS i don't see how they

1075
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 4: could participate in this in any, way you know What i'm.

1076
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 7: Saying so like they go to dinner like, No like,

1077
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 7: no they mean, dude the dude that separated the child

1078
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 7: goes in with their, child you, know or their family,

1079
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 7: afterwards you know What i'm, Saying LIKE i remember seeing

1080
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 7: a DUDE i remember before even having a kid or,

1081
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 7: whatever like even you know.

1082
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 4: All of this, shit this guy whose child had died

1083
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 4: due to a school. Shooting AND i don't know if

1084
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 4: you remember when the do was like that was my,

1085
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 4: Boy and LIKE i get emotional thinking about that, Now

1086
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 4: like how the connection he had with a child and

1087
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 4: how they don't have the child, anymore but to think

1088
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 4: about like a mom and to see like like my,

1089
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 4: lady like how connected she is from jump to the,

1090
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 4: child like feeling that child moving your, stomach you know

1091
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 4: WHAT i, Mean, uh feeding that child from your actual,

1092
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 4: body you, know breastfeeding that, child and then for somebody

1093
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 4: to just you, know sell the child away as if

1094
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 4: that child is not you, know a piece of you

1095
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 4: is like how can that be a? Human AND i

1096
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 4: think the thing was like you, said like you just

1097
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 4: thought they were that was things were you know how

1098
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 4: you how you looked at it as a. Kid for,

1099
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 4: ME i, THINK i THINK i think black people particularly

1100
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 4: can't ignore the truth Of. AMERICA i never was allowed

1101
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 4: the ability. TO i would never was allowed to allowed.

1102
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 4: To they talk And hernique talks about why parents beat

1103
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 4: their children back in the day to mimic what was

1104
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 4: going and how that has been passed down to now

1105
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 4: where our parents beat us because like they knew that

1106
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 4: we didn't have the same mind, opportunities you know What i'm,

1107
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 4: saying to make we'd have an opportunities to make mistakes

1108
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 4: as like my maybe my friends did WHEN i was

1109
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 4: in the, suburbs you feel What i'm, saying and so, like,

1110
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 4: yeah LIKE i was not allowed to ignore the truth Of.

1111
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 4: America so like When i'm reading this slave, shit like

1112
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 4: Like i'm, like you, KNOW i saw the, parallels you

1113
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 4: know What i'm.

1114
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 3: Saying as far as like in some, WAYS i remember

1115
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 3: being as a.

1116
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 4: Kid my, MY i think after Seeing roots had fucked

1117
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 4: me up in fourth, grade you know WHAT i. Mean

1118
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 4: like after, that it was kind of different for. ME

1119
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 4: i remember going to school the next. Day my sister

1120
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 4: was talking about this WHEN i was when we went

1121
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 4: to visit we went on that little trip to my

1122
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 4: middle school or, whatever but WHERE i was like, asked,

1123
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 4: like why are we saying the pleasure of allegiance every?

1124
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 3: Day you know What i'm.

1125
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 4: Saying LIKE i felt LIKE i was being brainwashed to

1126
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 4: believe something that was in, reality you know What i'm.

1127
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 4: Saying AND i was, like in fourth fifth, grade you feel?

1128
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 4: Me SO i think we kind of talked that at

1129
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 4: a young. Age so we're, like, yeah it's, better but

1130
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 4: it's shit still ain't, sweet.

1131
00:56:59,520 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 3: You know What i'm.

1132
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 4: Saying and even as kids were not allowed to you

1133
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 4: know What i'm, saying to to feel that.

1134
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 3: Way so, yeah.

1135
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 4: WHEN i WHEN i was WHEN i was in school

1136
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 4: looking around, like, YEAH i, DIDN'T i didn't.

1137
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 3: KNOW i. DIDN'T i. Didn't it wasn't just like this.

1138
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 4: Was Now i'm, wondering, like why aren't we going deeper

1139
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 4: into the, realities because LIKE i was taught to some

1140
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 4: of that shit at home as. Well you, know it

1141
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 4: felt like you, know, yeah it felt it felt like

1142
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 4: bullshit to me to a.

1143
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 3: Degree you know What i'm, Saying.

1144
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: Yeah there's there's no way THAT i can ever view

1145
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: any slave owner as a great. Man you, know we,

1146
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: can you, know we. Can i'm not saying, that you,

1147
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: know the these accomplishments of these men should be stricken from,

1148
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: history because you can't just erase history like. That, sure

1149
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: you Know washington was a great military, strategist great military.

1150
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: Mind you, know he was still a terrible man because

1151
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: he owned. Slaves you, Know Thomas jefferson was was a

1152
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: great mind who helped construct the framework of our, democracy

1153
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: still a terrible man because he owned Slave so that's

1154
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: what it comes down to. Me And i'm gonna say

1155
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: something something that really blew me. Away and it Blew

1156
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: Clint smith the way, too because he didn't know this.

1157
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: EITHER i had no idea that The louisiana purchased, that

1158
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: you know where we Bought louisiana and pretty much all

1159
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: the Damn. MIDWEST i had no idea That france sold

1160
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: that to us to finance their efforts in The Haitian,

1161
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: revolution to, know you, know Basically france sold us half

1162
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: our country so they could fight for slavery And.

1163
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 3: Haiti AND i never knew that until this.

1164
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: Book clint grew up In louisiana and didn't know that

1165
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: until visiting The witnep. Plantation so you, know that was

1166
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: just a moment that just just kind of took me, aback, Like,

1167
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: wow there's so much that we still have to learn

1168
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: out here that they are not teaching.

1169
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 2: Us, YEAH i didn't know that. Either and him talking

1170
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: about you, know the passage That john read about him feeling, like,

1171
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 2: oh you, know if other people had tried, harder or

1172
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 2: if they'd cared, more they could have Been Frederick, Douglas

1173
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 2: Harriet tubman or. Something i'm amazed at his ability to

1174
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 2: describe this sort of reckoning that he's going. Through and

1175
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 2: he talks about like he went to elementary, school like

1176
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 2: not like an hour away from that. PLANTATION i mean,

1177
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 2: like you, know like, THIS i think when you grow

1178
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 2: up in The, West american history is kind of a it's.

1179
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: Different it feels different when you're learning about it because you're,

1180
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: like my state wasn't founded until half this shit, had you,

1181
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 2: know was over or. Whatever you don't feel that that

1182
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 2: same connection. Necessarily AND i just couldn't imagine that standing

1183
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 2: somewhere like for, me that would be like standing in

1184
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 2: the valley in lam you know WHAT i, mean realizing

1185
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 2: that everything THAT i was thinking and being taught in

1186
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 2: elementary school was a lot Like THAT'S i don't, know

1187
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 2: but he wrote about that beautifully as. Well All, right

1188
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: do we have any other thoughts about the first first

1189
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 2: little bit of?

1190
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 3: IT i THINK i THINK i think we talked about.

1191
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 4: THAT i think we do pretty deep into that motherfucker you, feels.

1192
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah do we want to try do we want to

1193
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 2: read the rest of it for next? Week or do

1194
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 2: we want to break it up into two more?

1195
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 3: CHUCKS i, MEAN i got three birthday classes a.

1196
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 2: Night let's break it up on the.

1197
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 4: WEEKEND i can probably knock it on the weekend for.

1198
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 4: SHOW i got time on the weekend for.

1199
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 2: Show so what do you THINK i? Mean i'm fine

1200
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 2: to do either, way like basketball not starting for, It

1201
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 2: let's put.

1202
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 3: More. Pie let's do it that. Way then that makes more.

1203
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 2: Sense, okay let's read the next three. Chapters then that

1204
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 2: would be The Angola, Prison Blandford, cemetery And Galveston island,

1205
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 2: next and then the following week we'll read the last

1206
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 2: one hundred. Pages so it basically be like eighty, pages

1207
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 2: one hundred, pages one hundred, pages so we'll read the

1208
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 2: next three.

1209
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 4: CHAPTERS i wanted to, say like When tyler was talking

1210
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 4: about how these people were so they, did you, know

1211
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 4: they were great, minds but still not good. Humans it's,

1212
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 4: LIKE i think the fact that they were great, minds

1213
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 4: that they were so, brilliant is more. Damning you know

1214
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 4: WHAT i, Mean you fully understood. It you weren't ignorant

1215
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 4: to what you were.

1216
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 3: Doing you know What i'm.

1217
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 4: Saying jefferson wasn't ignorant to what he was. Doing he

1218
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,479
Speaker 4: was trying to reconcile in a. Way but you can't

1219
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 4: reconcile with, that you know What i'm. Saying there's no

1220
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 4: reconciling with what you were. Doing, so, yeah he was

1221
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 4: not a good, man regardless of how brilliant was AND

1222
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 4: i think it's brilliant is actually.

1223
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 2: DAMNING i think maybe the most damning thing to me

1224
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 2: About jefferson in that chapter Was clint describing how many

1225
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 2: Times jefferson wrote that he thought about himself as one

1226
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 2: of the nice.

1227
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 3: Ones he was telling himself that though you know WHAT i,

1228
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 3: mean he was.

1229
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 2: Telling, no but that's but the fact that you could

1230
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 2: do that while these things are happening to people at your, House,

1231
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 2: YEAH i, mean you. Know AND i don't think you

1232
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 2: can drive that point home, enough like the insanity and you,

1233
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 2: Know john is in the same emotional place THAT i

1234
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 2: was when my wife was about to have our first.

1235
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 2: Child the idea that you could have a kid and

1236
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 2: then enslave that child IS i don't have a way

1237
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 2: to ever move past that in the way THAT i

1238
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 2: would think about a. Person and so the idea that

1239
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 2: you could participate in something like that while, thinking, oh,

1240
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 2: well there are people out there who are worse than,

1241
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: me IS i don't. KNOW I i that's not.

1242
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 3: Reconcised that's, humanity you. Know that's what he's.

1243
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 4: Doing he's grasping at his, humanity trying to find, it

1244
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 4: trying to hold on to. It participating is something that is.

1245
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 4: Inhumane you know What i'm. Saying where his where he

1246
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 4: talks about.

1247
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 3: How his whole livelihood was off of.

1248
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 4: That you know What i'm, Saying he had a particularly

1249
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 4: way he got into financial.

1250
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 2: Trouble he got into financial trouble a few, MISTER i

1251
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 2: want to KEEP i want to keep.

1252
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 4: Families you so you could you, know you, know so

1253
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 4: they could have three turkeys At thanksgiving instead of.

1254
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 3: One you know What i'm, Saying, like is that not the.

1255
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 2: People who live near? Me is that not white liberals

1256
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 2: today who Say i'm anti, Racist i'm against all this,

1257
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 2: ship But i'm gonna make sure my kids go to

1258
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 2: the whitest.

1259
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 3: School still when you pull up next to, them you

1260
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 3: know What i'm, Saying, like.

1261
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 2: You, know and it's just it's the it drives home

1262
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: to me that none of, us no one alive, today

1263
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 2: built the world that they live. In but that can't

1264
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 2: be a that can't be the end of your thought about,

1265
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 2: anything you, know like because it's the same thing For Thomas,

1266
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 2: jefferson for anyone who who was enslaving people in that,

1267
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 2: time like, History LIKE i used to think that history

1268
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 2: was relative to an, EXTENT i guess is WHAT i

1269
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 2: was trying to say earlier that like there was people

1270
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,439
Speaker 2: in the, middle good people and bad people at every

1271
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 2: point throughout. History but this has been a you, know

1272
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 2: And i'm sure that fifty years from now there'll be

1273
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 2: shit that we look at in our. Lives one hundred

1274
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 2: years from now that's unthinkable to us that at the

1275
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 2: moment we feel is. Regular But i'm sure there's things

1276
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 2: we aren't confronting that we should be In, California i'm

1277
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: sure the way we look at people who are living

1278
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 2: on the, street we'll look, BACK i hope one day

1279
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 2: and think that we were fucking animals for allowing the

1280
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 2: world to be the way that it is right.

1281
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 4: Now you, know if there is a heaven and your

1282
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 4: ancestors participated in, slavery you cannot speak to them because

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