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Speaker 1: So the summer of Lebron continues a bit and there
Speaker 1: was a very seemingly interesting article written by Ramona Shelburne
Speaker 1: and Brian Windhorst that kind of set off a lot
Speaker 1: of conversation over the weekend and it dropped I think
Speaker 1: Friday Friday morning, yet we weren't on TV, and then
Speaker 1: there was a Dave mcminnimon report, and then there was
Speaker 1: an article edit that I find the whole thing fascinating.
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to go through every single stanza
Speaker 1: of this article, but I am going to go through
Speaker 1: it considerably because I actually in credit to Chris Broussard,
Speaker 1: who on our first Thing's first morning meeting. Just a
Speaker 1: moment ago when we were talking about doing this topic,
Speaker 1: he was like, how much of the audience do you
Speaker 1: think actually read the article? I was like, Oh, that's
Speaker 1: a good point. Brew. So the beginning of this article
Speaker 1: is incredibly detailed about a May third meeting at Craig's
Speaker 1: Restaurant on Melrose in West Hollywood, a place I have
Speaker 1: been to I think once in my life with my
Speaker 1: buddy Colin Cowherd, and where they where Ramona and Wendy,
Speaker 1: and this feels like Ramona's side of it. They're just
Speaker 1: because of the LA based reporting, but I don't know
Speaker 1: detail a meeting between Luca Plenka Reddick and Luca's manager
Speaker 1: Laura Lara Beth Seeger where we find out what doors
Speaker 1: they went in, what wine they drank, all of this,
Speaker 1: and it's incredibly detailed and it talks about that meeting,
Speaker 1: but that is not what people are people's takeaway or
Speaker 1: the throat of the article is because the article's headline
Speaker 1: even Lebron James Luka Ancic inside the most delicate superstar
Speaker 1: transition in NBA history. So the reason for that scene
Speaker 1: setting it would appear is that Luca was at this
Speaker 1: meeting and Lebron was not, which I don't find odd
Speaker 1: at all personally, because the Lakers' first order of business
Speaker 1: this summer, and they treated it as such, was to
Speaker 1: cement and secure their relationship with Luca because they desperately
Speaker 1: need him to sign a contract extension this summer. Now,
Speaker 1: whether that's a four year deal or a three year deal,
Speaker 1: he can do four for two two twenty three or
Speaker 1: three for one sixty. The reason for doing the three
Speaker 1: for one sixties, the article lays out, is it might
Speaker 1: set up better more money long term and future. But regardless,
Speaker 1: they need to make sure lucas locked in, and they
Speaker 1: need to do everything possible to get Luca locked in.
Speaker 1: And if I were running the Lakers, I certainly wouldn't
Speaker 1: be like, well, anytime we're meeting with Luca, Lebron has
Speaker 1: to be there because these are the Lakers. Attempt to
Speaker 1: compete this season is in one bucket. The Lakers playing
Speaker 1: over the next three, five, ten years is in another bucket,
Speaker 1: And both of those buckets necessitate a locked in, dialed in,
Speaker 1: committed Luka Doncic. So that is priority number one, and
Speaker 1: I think Lebron understands that the single most important thing
Speaker 1: for the Lakers this summer is to get Luca resigned.
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't have viewed that as scandalous. Oh, the
Speaker 1: Lakers had a meeting with Luca without Lebron there, but
Speaker 1: it was treated like it was in this article, like
Speaker 1: it was a fork in the road where the Lakers
Speaker 1: are going down the Luca path rather than the Lebron path.
Speaker 1: And again that is it is incredibly logical, and I
Speaker 1: anybody that thinks Lebron is put off or yeah, is
Speaker 1: bothered by the fact that the Lakers priority number one
Speaker 1: is making sure Luca is a Laker long term. Doesn't
Speaker 1: know Lebron James and doesn't understand the way he views
Speaker 1: Luca and what he understands about the NBA. Now it
Speaker 1: it is absolutely fair to say. And then I'll get
Speaker 1: back to the article that Lebron feels like, all right,
Speaker 1: while trying to get Luca locked up long term, we
Speaker 1: should try to win right now because we were the
Speaker 1: three seed last year. Because I'm still playing at a
Speaker 1: undeniable top ten level, Luca is going to go into
Speaker 1: next year as one of the three biggest favorites to
Speaker 1: win league MVP. That's a team that, if you make
Speaker 1: the right moves, can compete for a championship. But those
Speaker 1: two things not only are they not mutually exclusive, they
Speaker 1: are not in conflict at all. There is nothing better
Speaker 1: for Luca's long term future with the Lakers than him
Speaker 1: stacking awesome seasons with the Lakers starting immediately. So then
Speaker 1: the article goes on to discuss, you know, it talks
Speaker 1: about that Lebron released the statement, and again I think
Speaker 1: the statement is worth, even though it's now a few
Speaker 1: weeks old, worth reminding people exactly what it's said. We
Speaker 1: understand the difficulty in winning now while preparing for the
Speaker 1: future is from Rich Paul. We do want to evaluate
Speaker 1: what's best for Lebron at this stage in his life
Speaker 1: and career. He wants to make every decision he has
Speaker 1: left count and the Lakers understand that, are supportive and
Speaker 1: want what's best for him. I looked at that statement
Speaker 1: as very clearly saying listen, it would seem what's best
Speaker 1: for all parties is continuing this partnership and trying to
Speaker 1: win a title right now. But if you guys, for
Speaker 1: some reason or another, think that you either can't win
Speaker 1: a title right now, or making moves to try to
Speaker 1: win a title right now while you still have Lebron
Speaker 1: James at an all NBA level, is actually going to
Speaker 1: hurt your chances of winning multiple titles down the road
Speaker 1: with Luca. Well, if that's if that's how you feel,
Speaker 1: and that's the road you're gonna take, then we should
Speaker 1: discuss whether or not you want me to be I
Speaker 1: want to be a part of this and you want
Speaker 1: to be a part of this. That to me was
Speaker 1: very very straightforward and again not scandalous, and I think
Speaker 1: the way most people, if they were advising Lebron James
Speaker 1: would would see it as well. And then the article
Speaker 1: gets a little confusing because it it then just quotes
Speaker 1: anonymous Western Conference executives on their opinions. One Western Conference
Speaker 1: executive chalked it up to an elaborate pout because the
Speaker 1: Lakers hadn't offered James a new contract extension. More on
Speaker 1: that in a moment. Another Western Conference executive felt it
Speaker 1: was an attempt to press the Lakers front office to
Speaker 1: go all in on building the team this season and
Speaker 1: away from its strategy to keep the cap sheet as
Speaker 1: clean as possible for the summers of twenty six and
Speaker 1: twenty seven after James's salary comes off the books. So
Speaker 1: I care less about the Western Armage executive's feelings and
Speaker 1: more about if that is the Lakers strategy, that we
Speaker 1: are certainly out of the Lebron business after this year,
Speaker 1: and we think we are going to be better positioned
Speaker 1: to win titles by getting out of the Lebron business
Speaker 1: and using his fifty two million dollars on free agents X, Y,
Speaker 1: and Z. That's an interesting opinion. I'm very cure us
Speaker 1: what free agents they think they are going to get.
Speaker 1: And this is an important point here because I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys have noticed, but free agency isn't
Speaker 1: what it once was in the NBA. And I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about second Apron stuff. I'm talking about the fact
Speaker 1: that guys over the last decade have transitioned from letting
Speaker 1: contracts expire and hitting free agency to signing extensions as
Speaker 1: early as possible, and then if they want to leave,
Speaker 1: simply demanding a trade, and the Lakers plan of well,
Speaker 1: we're just going to sign. I'm curious again who it
Speaker 1: is they think they're going to sign. Now they're the Lakers.
Speaker 1: Lebron chose to save them after six years in the Desert.
Speaker 1: Lebron then greatly helped them get Anthony Davis, and then
Speaker 1: Nico Harrison gifted them Luke ad ancicch that they were
Speaker 1: only able to get because they had Anthony Davis. But
Speaker 1: they don't have this cupboard of when they traded for
Speaker 1: a d they had multiple former number two overall picks
Speaker 1: and the number four pick of that draft they were
Speaker 1: able to include in that trade. That's not there. And
Speaker 1: I just don't see this. Oh my goodness, Jannis is
Speaker 1: a free agent in a year and if you have
Speaker 1: your cap sheet open, he'll pick La So's It's curious
Speaker 1: to me, But a lot of the moves the Lakers
Speaker 1: have made her curious to me. And then there's this.
Speaker 1: The Lakers had made their statement in not offering James
Speaker 1: a contract beyond this season. It was abundantly clear that
Speaker 1: the twenty one time All Stars time has face. The
Speaker 1: Lakers had for the first time a planned end date,
Speaker 1: even if James's record setting NBA career did not. And
Speaker 1: this is where the reporting gets interesting to me, because this,
Speaker 1: to me feels Ramona is incredibly plugged in with the Lakers,
Speaker 1: and for reasons I don't totally understand, and we've talked
Speaker 1: about me not understanding it. Wendy and Lebron have had
Speaker 1: something of a falling out, it would appear, and so
Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say the info on this
Speaker 1: is Lakers info. And then Dave mcminnimon, who is pretty
Speaker 1: plugged in with Lebron and said he's you know, it
Speaker 1: was not quoting anonymous people close to him, was quoting
Speaker 1: Rich Paul directly. Dave mcminnimon then reports during Summer League
Speaker 1: two days later, oh, by the way, look, we didn't
Speaker 1: ask for nor want a contract extension. And then there
Speaker 1: is the other reporting, which is to me interesting because
Speaker 1: the article initially said that when the Bus family agreed
Speaker 1: to sell a majority stake in the franchise Mark Walter
Speaker 1: on June eighteenth, Doncic was given a heads up and
Speaker 1: notably posted congratulations on social media. Lebron James was given
Speaker 1: no heads up. The article was then edited and it
Speaker 1: writes now, after the publication of this article, sources said
Speaker 1: James was notified of the sale via his representation, but
Speaker 1: he did not post any public acknowledgement. And then it
Speaker 1: has the part then, of course, the coup de gras
Speaker 1: the Lakers, by not offering James extension, indicated they were
Speaker 1: comfortable having him on the roster's inspiring contract, a rare
Speaker 1: position for a superstar player of his caliber. So I
Speaker 1: don't there is there are pretty clearly at this point
Speaker 1: it is a less than a happy marriage, and it's
Speaker 1: for reasons. And this is the part that I've spent
Speaker 1: a good deal of time thinking about. But I just
Speaker 1: can't totally understand why. And you might say, ah, Lebron
Speaker 1: is Lebron's doing this? But here is to me a
Speaker 1: like a fair and Lebron is obviously doing a lot
Speaker 1: of this, But is there reason for it? As and
Speaker 1: is are there reasons for the Lakers doing what they're doing?
Speaker 1: So let's just go through the blow by blow of it.
Speaker 1: Is there a reason to believe that Lebron is not
Speaker 1: okay taking on a secondary role within the organization, not
Speaker 1: that I've seen. What I saw was for four years,
Speaker 1: Lebron all but begging Anthony Davis to take the car Keys,
Speaker 1: an ad god love and future Hall of Famer great player,
Speaker 1: couldn't quite do it and wasn't willing to do it.
Speaker 1: They then trade for Luca Lebron correctly does not ask
Speaker 1: Luca to change his game at all. Lebron changes his
Speaker 1: game massively and all of a sudden turns into maybe
Speaker 1: the Lakers' best defensive player is far and away their
Speaker 1: best defensive player and arguably their best overall player in
Speaker 1: the postseason, and greatly changes the way he's playing while
Speaker 1: doing nothing but support Luca, who famously Lebron's on the
Speaker 1: record that the only guy he ever tried or wanted
Speaker 1: to get to be a Lebron athlete, wearing like the
Speaker 1: way Jordan has Jordan athletes at Nike, A Lebron spinoff
Speaker 1: sneaker was Luca, a guy who Luca who modeled his
Speaker 1: game after Lebron and was his childhood idol. So the
Speaker 1: idea that, well, these guys just won't fit that has
Speaker 1: not been the case at all. And then there is
Speaker 1: the well, we just don't think we can compete with
Speaker 1: these guys. I think that is a loser mentality, and
Speaker 1: I think it is beyond optimistic that again, if you
Speaker 1: simply remove the name and the age when talking about
Speaker 1: Lebron and say, hey, what is the likelihood over the
Speaker 1: next four years if the Lakers were to move Lebron
Speaker 1: move on from Lebron and they don't. They This article
Speaker 1: talks about they don't want to trade him, They want
Speaker 1: him to just leave in the offseason, either into retirement
Speaker 1: or free agency for nothing. Who is the guy? How
Speaker 1: are they replacing second team all NBA production? Where is
Speaker 1: that coming from? And why would they not say, right now,
Speaker 1: this moment, we have something an asset we're not going
Speaker 1: to have we're not guaranteed to have at all three
Speaker 1: years from now, which is two top ten players, So
Speaker 1: maximize this window. I think that's foolish. But I also
Speaker 1: if I were running the Lakers, wouldn't go three straight
Speaker 1: off seasons without making a single trade. If I were
Speaker 1: running the Lakers, there are a lot of things I
Speaker 1: would not have done that Rob Blinka and the Bus
Speaker 1: and Rambis family have done. But that's what they've done,
Speaker 1: and so I do. And I know this for a
Speaker 1: lot of you guys are not gonna be surprising coming
Speaker 1: from me. But I I do understand lebron side of
Speaker 1: the frustration. I don't understand the Lakers side of the frustration.
Speaker 1: And if it's that, and if it's that, well, you know,
Speaker 1: Lebron's a lot to a lot to deal with. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: every all time great athlete ever is a lot to
Speaker 1: deal with in one way, shape or form, And people
Speaker 1: keep saying nothing tougher than dealing with an all time
Speaker 1: great who's not great anymore. And that's that's the part
Speaker 1: of this that I find so puzzling. It's almost as
Speaker 1: if the Lakers are frustrated that Lebron hasn't fallen off Lebron.
Speaker 1: The Lakers post Westbrook debacle, which obviously Lebron had influence on,
Speaker 1: have treated every year as if, well, Lebron's not going
Speaker 1: to be that good and therefore it wouldn't make sense
Speaker 1: for us to leverage everything to try to win at
Speaker 1: this moment. And then each year Lebron shows up on
Speaker 1: the All NBA team. Each year Lebron comes to work
Speaker 1: and gives you twenty five, seven and seven, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: what do you need? And now, like I understand why
Speaker 1: Lebron might say, you know, I don't want to sign
Speaker 1: an extension because maybe I do want to hit free
Speaker 1: agency and then in my final year go back home
Speaker 1: to Cleveland or may find a way to play with
Speaker 1: staph and under the new CBA me making fifty million
Speaker 1: dollars doesn't make a lot of sense. And next year
Speaker 1: there could be teams with some cap space more than
Speaker 1: the minimum that I wouldn't mind going to play for.
Speaker 1: I understand why Lebron might say I don't want the extension.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why the Lakers wouldn't say, hey, you
Speaker 1: want to tack one more year on this. So a
Speaker 1: lot of this is just to.
Speaker 2: Me more.
Speaker 1: More evidence that when the Walter family does come and
Speaker 1: take over and they do a true audit of the
Speaker 1: decisions and decision makers, that the people in charge of
Speaker 1: the Lakers should be anxious. And I understand that all
Speaker 1: the reporting is Genie bus can run the team for
Speaker 1: the next five years. Let's check back in four or
Speaker 1: in three and see who's running the Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 1: And let's also check back in four or three and
Speaker 1: see if this cap space of twenty twenty seven played
Speaker 1: out the way they hoped it would. But I cannot
Speaker 1: imagine this article landed softly on Lebron's desk, where it
Speaker 1: is a lot of innuendo and a lot of Lakers
Speaker 1: pretty naked Lakers personnel whispering the ears of Ramona and
Speaker 1: Wendy about essentially how eager they are to get out
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Speaker 1: All Right, the other piece of this is is Luca
Speaker 1: gonna sign this extension? And my answer to that question
Speaker 1: three weeks ago would have been, obviously, the Lakers have
Speaker 1: built in inherent advantages. They now have one of the
Speaker 1: richest ownership groups in the league. Luca really likes being
Speaker 1: by the ocean, he said, as much. I would imagine
Speaker 1: for international players, big cities are always preferable because you're
Speaker 1: more likely to have a real community of Slovenians like
Speaker 1: and again I don't know how much Luca cares about that,
Speaker 1: but it's obviously easier to find a thriving you know,
Speaker 1: Slovenian or Serbian or Nigerian or any of you know,
Speaker 1: any international community in a place like New York or
Speaker 1: LA then it might be in Milwaukee or Cleveland. And
Speaker 1: that again, that's not an indictment any of those places.
Speaker 1: That's just the reality of geographics and demographics, or not geographics,
Speaker 1: but demographics. So I would have said very and Luca's
Speaker 1: statement about being excited to win championships with the Lakers
Speaker 1: and Mark Mark Walter and all of that, I would
Speaker 1: have said, the odds of insigning since in the summer
Speaker 1: like ninety five percent. I think the way the Lakers
Speaker 1: screwed up the Dorian Finney Smith thing is potentially troubling,
Speaker 1: and I think the way the Lakers are not so
Speaker 1: subtly dissing Lebron James, who, again as a reminder, the
Speaker 1: Lakers were in the midst of the worst six year
Speaker 1: stretch they had had in the history of their franchise
Speaker 1: in the total wilderness, a bottom two record in the
Speaker 1: entire NBA over the half decade before Lebron got there.
Speaker 1: Within two years, within one year, he delivered them Anthony Davis.
Speaker 1: Within two years, he and AD delivered them a championship.
Speaker 1: And then because they had AD, they were able to
Speaker 1: get Luka Ancic and he's still performing at a six
Speaker 1: in the league in MVP voting level. For them to
Speaker 1: lucas not an idiot now be leaking stuff to ESPN
Speaker 1: about how excited they are to be done with Lebron,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine Luca's happy about that. And again, the
Speaker 1: Dorian Finney Smith thing really matters because of the relationship
Speaker 1: he had with Luca and the fact that the team
Speaker 1: gets a touch worse going from Dorian Finney Smith to
Speaker 1: Jake Laurravia. So I I would have said it's ninety
Speaker 1: five percent that Luca will re sign this summer. I
Speaker 1: now will say it is seventy five percent. I still
Speaker 1: think it is overwhelmingly likely, but I would say it
Speaker 1: is not a lock, and I would have thought it
Speaker 1: was a lock before. So I think that that is
Speaker 1: and I know that. So let me because the producers
Speaker 1: just asked me, if I don't see him signing with
Speaker 1: the Lakers, where would I see him going? So let
Speaker 1: me just take a quick look at right now, who
Speaker 1: is slated to have cap space next offseason? And the
Speaker 1: answer is, once again, not many teams. I mean, Brooklyn
Speaker 1: again is slated to def some and then everyone else
Speaker 1: is in the negative. But you, of course, like I
Speaker 1: haven't really dove in to who has the most flexibility
Speaker 1: and the ability to create cap space or move off
Speaker 1: guys things like that. Obviously, it would Daniel be thrilled
Speaker 1: with this. There's a lot of folks that have wanted
Speaker 1: to see Luca and Joker together. I think that is
Speaker 1: probably easier said than done. And I also think it's
Speaker 1: kind of a weird fit because Joker has you know,
Speaker 1: Joker is their point guard, and Luke is the point guard.
Speaker 1: There is the thing that I would think would utterly
Speaker 1: and thoroughly terrify the entire league, and that is Luca
Speaker 1: going to San Antonio, which san Antonio I think, if
Speaker 1: they wanted it, would have a ton of cap space
Speaker 1: next year. Wimby hadn't been paid yet, Fox is on
Speaker 1: and expiring, Barnes is on an aspiring and so they
Speaker 1: could certain like they could flat out just afford him.
Speaker 1: And so let me just sort by what would be
Speaker 1: active cap uh next year. Yeah, so that was the
Speaker 1: better way to look at it. Chicago is not to
Speaker 1: me a likely destination, and there's the so let me
Speaker 1: look at this again. Hold on, sorry, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure out for the the teams that will you know,
Speaker 1: practically have cap space, and and so it again, I
Speaker 1: think Luca resigns. But the fact that we're even having
Speaker 1: this conversation, if I were the if I were the Lakers,
Speaker 1: I would be a little anxious about it. And again
Speaker 1: we're not going to find out for a while because
Speaker 1: he can't sign the extension until August. Second, but because
Speaker 1: he's playing EuroBasket with Slovenia, you know, fat lazy Luganancich,
Speaker 1: who all he does every summer is just play basketball.
Speaker 1: He he might not uh, he's probably not going to
Speaker 1: do anything until the Eurobasket's done. All right. I do
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Speaker 1: All Right, this I meant to talk about last week,
Speaker 1: and I screwed up and I forgot. But Kevin Durant
Speaker 1: was on Mine the Game with National Lebron and he
Speaker 1: was talking about longevity and while we can just play
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Speaker 1: the game. By the way, I have not asked, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if the producers have asked if we
Speaker 1: can play this, but I know some of the people
Speaker 1: at Uninterrupted I think will be Okay, let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and roll it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm ten twelve years in, I got full MVPs
Speaker 2: of faux championships. Like, but do I still want to
Speaker 2: do this shit? You know what I'm saying. Some people
Speaker 2: say I don't want to go play baseball, yeah, and
Speaker 2: they don't want to come back. Well, some people say
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go twenty two straight.
Speaker 1: One of the lines in there is some people say
Speaker 1: I want to go play baseball and some want to
Speaker 1: play twenty two straight. And I I don't think this
Speaker 1: is a controversial or hot take, guys, And yet somehow,
Speaker 1: and this is this is one of my and if
Speaker 1: you think about this, it really will maybe reframe how
Speaker 1: you view some of the Lebron Jordan stuff, which is
Speaker 1: so of the myths that exist in NBA history, the
Speaker 1: vast majority of them serve one of one or two purposes,
Speaker 1: either tearing down Lebron or building up Michael. So like,
Speaker 1: in no particular order, I think here's a myth that
Speaker 1: just everyone believes. Man, the nineteen eighties were just the
Speaker 1: peak of NBA physicality and tough defense, when in reality,
Speaker 1: up until the twenty twenties, the nineteen eighties were the
Speaker 1: highest scoring decade of post sixties NBA basketball. Now, there
Speaker 1: were more flagrant type fouls, but it was running gun
Speaker 1: high scoring era. Another one, you know, on the flip
Speaker 1: side of that is like one of the most just
Speaker 1: up is down, black is white myths is eh Lebron
Speaker 1: great player, not that clutch when he has more playoff
Speaker 1: game winners, regular season game winners, all of that at
Speaker 1: a higher efficiency than any other superstar. Ever, just on
Speaker 1: its face, incorrect facts. And the Michael Jordan quit the
Speaker 1: sport because of the tragic murder of his father and
Speaker 1: therefore it's almost a third rail to discuss him walking
Speaker 1: away is just a myth. And the reason I know that,
Speaker 1: and the reason you guys know that is because Michael
Speaker 1: and Ahmad Rashad told us in the Last Dance if
Speaker 1: there was ever any question that I don't know which
Speaker 1: episode of the Last Dance, but where Ahmad said, you know,
Speaker 1: Michael was telling me essentially for months that he was
Speaker 1: going to walk away. And now if you believe, as
Speaker 1: I think is a totally legitimate belief, that Michael looked
Speaker 1: at it as I beat the game. I did something
Speaker 1: no one's done since Russell's Celtics. I have nothing left
Speaker 1: to do here. I'm not enjoying this scrutiny and this
Speaker 1: and all of it. And then if he was, you know,
Speaker 1: on the edge the tragic murder of his father, was
Speaker 1: like all right, I need a fresh star on everything.
Speaker 1: And then it is even like, so wildly impressive that
Speaker 1: he came back and after half a season where they
Speaker 1: couldn't get it done, he then rips off another three
Speaker 1: pet and that is part of his absolute legend. That's
Speaker 1: totally fair. I shouldn't even just say it's fair. That's
Speaker 1: my opinion that I think that is a remarkable feat.
Speaker 1: But the number of people that think what Durant said
Speaker 1: was a hot take rather than an objective fact. That
Speaker 1: is how we would evaluate literally anyone in any field ever,
Speaker 1: which is, you certainly don't get extra credit for quitting
Speaker 1: the thing that we are grading you on. And Kevin
Speaker 1: Durant's point not only was it not a hot take,
Speaker 1: it is damn near tautology, which is, if we are
Speaker 1: discussing the greatest career or greatest player in the history
Speaker 1: of the NBA and we say, well, one guy after
Speaker 1: a little more than ten seasons, after a dozen seasons,
Speaker 1: said okay, this is not even a dozen seasons of
Speaker 1: my apologies, I'm gonna step away now after ten seasons,
Speaker 1: pardon me, and then quit the game and then came
Speaker 1: back two or a year and a half later. That
Speaker 1: that year and a half certainly doesn't help his basketball career,
Speaker 1: because there was no basketball career. And that if at
Speaker 1: least in the consistent year after year after your excellence,
Speaker 1: the guy who never stepped away and played at a
Speaker 1: top one level as long as any player in the
Speaker 1: history of the league, has a top three level longer
Speaker 1: than any player in the history of the league has,
Speaker 1: and a top five level twice as long as any
Speaker 1: player in the history of the league has that. That's
Speaker 1: at least a check mark in that guy's column. Now,
Speaker 1: is that the whole column? No? Is that the only
Speaker 1: thing that matters? Of course not, But is that obviously true? Yes?
Speaker 1: And people saw it and were like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Lebron's brainwashed. Another one as opposed to, what are you
Speaker 1: guys talking about? If Patrick Mahomes quit this offseason to
Speaker 1: go play baseball and two years later came back and
Speaker 1: was awesome again, we certainly wouldn't say that time off
Speaker 1: helped his quest to catch Brady. And that's all Katie
Speaker 1: was saying. But because there's been so much mythology associated
Speaker 1: with this person and this career, things that are just
Speaker 1: obvious in literally any other mad lib style, remove the
Speaker 1: proper nouns and say, in Nick Wright's quest to be
Speaker 1: an all time broadcaster, did the two years he took
Speaker 1: off to go try to be a professional poker player
Speaker 1: before returning to his broadcast career those two years did
Speaker 1: that help or hurt his quest to be an all
Speaker 1: time broadcaster? We'd be like, well, they certainly didn't help,
Speaker 1: probably hurt. And so it's just it was very informative
Speaker 1: to me the way people got angry at that take
Speaker 1: when it's the most obvious take anyone's ever had. That
Speaker 1: being excellent at something for a span of time, with
Speaker 1: no break and no years you weren't excellent. That is
Speaker 1: a different type of accomplishment than being excellent taking a
Speaker 1: year and a half off from it, being excellent taking
Speaker 1: three years off from it, than being okay, Like, that's
Speaker 1: just obvious. So another take of Kadi's I agree with,
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Speaker 1: doing it all right. I want to talk a little
Speaker 1: w NBA here, uh, and then we'll probably get to
Speaker 1: listen or some World Series of Poker and then listener questions.
Speaker 1: So Caitlin and Page played in their first pro matchup yesterday.
Speaker 1: Caitlyn has not been playing great since returning from her
Speaker 1: quad injury. Last night, she was decent in that game
Speaker 1: and Page is spectacular. So that has been like and
Speaker 1: Page is again. Page was supposed to be Caitlin before Caitlin.
Speaker 1: Very different personalities and very different player types. But this
Speaker 1: like superstar transcendent guard talent probably for you know, doesn't
Speaker 1: hurt their white girls in the marketability piece of it
Speaker 1: for big portions as has been a huge discussion point
Speaker 1: surrounding Kitlin. But Caitlyn's general excellent and the fact that
Speaker 1: she plays like Steph Curry's what really makes her as
Speaker 1: marked well as she is far more than her race,
Speaker 1: but sidebar to any of that. But then Paige blew
Speaker 1: her knee out and it kind of got stalled a bit.
Speaker 1: We were kind of deprived of an unbelievable final four
Speaker 1: finished a couple of years ago when they called that
Speaker 1: what was an off ball foul or whatever it was
Speaker 1: when it was Yukon Indiana. And but Paige is going
Speaker 1: to be a superstar and Caitlin, despite this little dip,
Speaker 1: is a superstar. But I want to talk about for
Speaker 1: a moment here, the young lady who was assigned to
Speaker 1: be Caitlin's rival because of the college history between them,
Speaker 1: and because of some really bad actors on both sides
Speaker 1: of this. And I never both sides anything, but there
Speaker 1: are some really bad actors on both sides of the
Speaker 1: Angel reies Caitlin clerk thing. And no, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to talk about the meme that no one saw until
Speaker 1: one person tweeted it. I want to talk about Angel
Speaker 1: because I said a month ago or maybe longer, that
Speaker 1: if Angel and Caitlin are going to be a rivalry,
Speaker 1: Angel's got to hold up her end and play better,
Speaker 1: and that Angel's celebrity was outpacing her productivity, and that
Speaker 1: at the time she was a very very famous rebounder.
Speaker 1: Well for the better part of the last of the
Speaker 1: last month it's clicked in for Angel Reese June twenty fourth.
Speaker 1: I don't need to tell you the dates, but dating
Speaker 1: back to June twenty fourth, in a win against the
Speaker 1: Sparks eighteen seventeen, six and four, and this is important,
Speaker 1: on fifty percent from the field and eighty six percent
Speaker 1: from the line. The next game against the Valkyrie seventeen
Speaker 1: and eighteen on forty four percent from the field, one
Speaker 1: hundred percent from the line. The next game against the
Speaker 1: Sparks twenty four sixteen seven, one and two on fifty
Speaker 1: three percent from the line and from the field, pardon me,
Speaker 1: and one hundred percent from the line. The next game
Speaker 1: against maybe the best team in the league, Minnesota sixteen
Speaker 1: seventeen and six on forty four percent from the field,
Speaker 1: one hundred percent from the line. The next game against
Speaker 1: the Mystics twenty two fifteen and four on fifty six
Speaker 1: percent from the field and twelve of fifteen from the
Speaker 1: line to eighty percent. The next game against Dallas fifteen
Speaker 1: and eleven on sixth sixty percent from the field and
Speaker 1: the line, And the next game against Minnesota again nineteen eleven,
Speaker 1: four and two on fifty seven percent from the field,
Speaker 1: seventy five percent from the line. Angel Rees is making
Speaker 1: her bunnies, and Angel Reese is playing efficient basketball, which
Speaker 1: makes Angel Reese because of her impact on the game
Speaker 1: defensively and on the glass and her underrated passing. The
Speaker 1: way she's been playing the last month, she's top fifteen
Speaker 1: player in the league. And that's awesome because it was
Speaker 1: weird for a player who I think was number two
Speaker 1: recruit in her class two page and I think it
Speaker 1: was to page, a player who was pre Caitlin and
Speaker 1: all of that, nanimous first team All American and one
Speaker 1: of the best players in the country. It was odd
Speaker 1: to me that her sophomore season didn't pop, and now
Speaker 1: it's popping, and now all of a sudden, it is
Speaker 1: the Skier, a team that, again the WNBA's weird is
Speaker 1: the wrong word, but it's different because there's so few
Speaker 1: teams that you really do have the ability to pull
Speaker 1: yourself to find a way into the playoffs, so to speak,
Speaker 1: that you otherwise might not be cause eight make it,
Speaker 1: and there's only fifteen teams in the league. Four are
Speaker 1: gonna make it out of the East. Right now. The
Speaker 1: Sky are in fifth and they're listen, there are ways
Speaker 1: back there three and a half back. But if the Mystics,
Speaker 1: who are playing really well right now, trip up the
Speaker 1: sky could catch him. And I have really tried to
Speaker 1: on this show at least when we talk about basketball,
Speaker 1: to talk about basketball. And it is really nice to
Speaker 1: see Angel Reese, despite all of the noise around her,
Speaker 1: to be playing the best basketball she's played as a pro.
Speaker 1: It's been great, all right, very quick tennis corner. I
Speaker 1: obviously was very bummed that Alcarez didn't win Wimbledon. Janick
Speaker 1: Center good for him avenging his French Open loss. The
Speaker 1: producers are asking to center Alcarez have the potential be
Speaker 1: an all time rivalry and the answer to that question
Speaker 1: is no, uh and it listens. Center is really good
Speaker 1: and I and he's also like Alcarez young. I don't
Speaker 1: I think it is. Here's why my answer is no.
Speaker 1: I think we were spoiled by the Big Three era,
Speaker 1: and because of the Big Three era of these all
Speaker 1: time historic legends playing simultaneously, that we expect that to
Speaker 1: happen again. I think Alcarez is that all time historic
Speaker 1: legend level. I don't listen, Center's young, and he's got
Speaker 1: four majors, so maybe I'm maybe I am selling him
Speaker 1: a bit short, but I think he is a tier
Speaker 1: beneath where Alcarez is going to be. I think he's
Speaker 1: probably closer to the Augusty tier than the Joker Federer
Speaker 1: adult tier when it's all said and done, and I
Speaker 1: think Alcarez is close to the Joker Federer and adult
Speaker 1: tier than the Augusty tier. Now again, maybe I'm being
Speaker 1: unfair to Center. He's only twenty three to twenty four.
Speaker 1: He's now in the last two years, won four Majors
Speaker 1: and final to French. That's the only reason I don't
Speaker 1: have the career Grand Slam. But I'll still I'll still
Speaker 1: be a I just don't know that Carlos is going
Speaker 1: to have a true one for one rival. All right,
Speaker 1: before we get to the listener questions, World Series of Poker,
Speaker 1: A lot of legitimate controversies, controversies Kassouf and one Chip
Speaker 1: stalling and all this stuff. I'm going to talk about
Speaker 1: a lot of that on the broadcast, and I don't
Speaker 1: know how much this audience cares about that. And if
Speaker 1: you do care about it, you'll get it on the broadcast,
Speaker 1: and maybe I'll do it on Thursday. A bit I
Speaker 1: do want to talk about this final table, however, because
Speaker 1: the final table is set and the story is For
Speaker 1: the first time in more than thirty years, there is
Speaker 1: a woman at the final table. She was the last
Speaker 1: woman standing at the World Series Main event sixteen years ago.
Speaker 1: She is from Spain. She is absolutely delightful. Her name
Speaker 1: is Leo Margetz. She is dead even in chips with
Speaker 1: fifty four million, and her winning this tournament would be
Speaker 1: the greatest thing to happen to poker since Chris money
Speaker 1: Maker won the tournament and it's in play, she absolutely
Speaker 1: can win. She yesterday twice, i think twice, got her
Speaker 1: money in on coin flips, which you have to do.
Speaker 1: That's not an indictment at all. You have to do
Speaker 1: that in this tournament multiple times. But the reason it's
Speaker 1: noteworthy is both times she got out flopped and then
Speaker 1: both times hit runner runner to win the coin flip.
Speaker 1: So it's twice she has had it in you know,
Speaker 1: pair versus two overcards or two overcards versus the pair
Speaker 1: and gotten cracked on the flop to where it looked
Speaker 1: like she was dead and then hit perfect perfect or
Speaker 1: something close to it to stay alive, which has been amazing. Theater.
Speaker 1: She would be unbelievable if she won this thing, and
Speaker 1: it's already unbelievable that she's this far. I think she
Speaker 1: has to get to fourth to be the best finish
Speaker 1: ever for a woman in the main event. I think
Speaker 1: she already has locked up the most money any woman's
Speaker 1: ever made in the main event. The other story, obviously
Speaker 1: is Michael Msrocky, who won the most prestigious tournament of
Speaker 1: the summer, the fifty Kay Poker Players Championship, for the
Speaker 1: fourth time. And this is an old school gambler, literally
Speaker 1: as an ace tattooed up his sleeve, has stuff tattooed
Speaker 1: on him, does not do the gto stuff, talks, gambles,
Speaker 1: drinks at the table. It's awesome. It's also unbelievable that
Speaker 1: he four times has won the most prestigious tournament at
Speaker 1: the World Series and now is second in chips at
Speaker 1: ninety three million, when early yesterday he got it all
Speaker 1: in Ace Jack versus Ace Queen lost and was down
Speaker 1: to three big blinds, And to now have more than
Speaker 1: fifty to be in second, to build it up from
Speaker 1: there and to have a chance to go fifty KPPC
Speaker 1: and ten thousand player injury main event. It would arguably
Speaker 1: be the single greatest summer in the history of the
Speaker 1: World Series of Poker. The other folks at the table
Speaker 1: of note John Waznak, who's just an amateur player, a
Speaker 1: family man, incredibly likable. He is the chip leader with
Speaker 1: one hundred and eight million. Watching him yesterday was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: He was just He played incredibly tight, picked his spots,
Speaker 1: kept getting it in good, kept winning. There was also
Speaker 1: a moment where he had Ace King. It was so
Speaker 1: it was so fascinating. It was someone three bet with
Speaker 1: Ace Queen. He four bet with Ace King, pocket Jacks
Speaker 1: then folded. Ace Queen called it off. It came all
Speaker 1: low cards had pocket Jack's called Ace Queen would have
Speaker 1: folded for sure, and Wasnock would have been out like
Speaker 1: thirteenth place. And I forget who it was with Jack's
Speaker 1: I think it's the guy who came in tenth would
Speaker 1: have had huge chips instead Jack's fold, Ace Queen gets
Speaker 1: it in, He's out. Wasnock now ends up spinning up
Speaker 1: to one hundred and eight million. There's a bunch of
Speaker 1: other great players, and then there is the guy I
Speaker 1: bet on who oddly and I found this out yesterday.
Speaker 1: There is out there in the universe producers. If you
Speaker 1: guys can buy check on eBay it might be this
Speaker 1: might be a good investment. The one of one, I
Speaker 1: think is on eBay. There is a poker trading card
Speaker 1: signed by three people. One of them is me and
Speaker 1: the other one is Adam Hendrix, who is seventh right
Speaker 1: now in Chips. He is in my opinion, either the
Speaker 1: best or the second best player left at the in
Speaker 1: the field. And he has forty eight million, which is plenty.
Speaker 1: I think it's thirty bigs and he's he was my
Speaker 1: bet to win it. I bet yesterday going into day
Speaker 1: eight I with a friend I like, I told them
Speaker 1: they could have the chip. We just it's I ain't.
Speaker 1: People ask me because I tweeted about this, what odds
Speaker 1: I get? I didn't get odds. There's twenty five people left.
Speaker 1: What I said was to my little gambling consortium, if
Speaker 1: anyone wants the chip leader, who at the time was
Speaker 1: Kenny Hollert, who's still in it. By the way, he's
Speaker 1: fourth in Chips with eighty million. All take Adam Hendrick's
Speaker 1: even money and I, you know, seemingly I was getting
Speaker 1: the bad side of that because Hollert was the chip leader.
Speaker 1: But I think Hendricks can win. But right now gotta
Speaker 1: be rooting for Leo and for the Grinder. So I
Speaker 1: fly out there tonight. It will be it will be
Speaker 1: absolutely thrilling. The one you guys are putting in the
Speaker 1: chat is the one of four or the in the
Speaker 1: I think on there is a one of one autograph.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's my one of one. Whatever it is, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. It doesn't matter, don't worry about it. But
Speaker 1: it's just I if this guy ships the main I
Speaker 1: just think you guys should maybe buy uh oh, the
Speaker 1: one of one that's up for me does not have
Speaker 1: Adam Hendrix on it. I'm just telling you I think
Speaker 1: those Adam Hendricks signed cards could be worth something. That's
Speaker 1: all all right, the I appreciate everyone for listening. Evan asked,
Speaker 1: would I ever do a top twenty tennis players ever?
Speaker 1: Like your Top fifty basketball? Probably not quite enough of it,
Speaker 1: not Probably definitely not enough of an expert on that
Speaker 1: to really do that list. Justice Dave asked, is this
Speaker 1: actually live or pre recorded? No? This is actually live.
Speaker 1: We tell you if it's pre recorded, but this is
Speaker 1: actually live. The producers asked, who know is coming to Vegas?
Speaker 1: Kind of which board games would you win the most
Speaker 1: money playing. I don't know about which board game, but
Speaker 1: I'll play high dollar Dominos against anybody. I'll do that.
Speaker 1: I would like to say I would play high dollar Spades,
Speaker 1: but that's so partner dependent. But the reality is I'm
Speaker 1: I'm good at those types of games if you just
Speaker 1: I just need to know the rules and watch it
Speaker 1: played once, and I'm pretty good at that stuff. Demanse
Speaker 1: would be Demonse's great at Monopoly, and I've considered staking
Speaker 1: him in some real money, semi high stakes Monopoly games.
Speaker 1: I might do that one day. All right, like rate,
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Speaker 1: See you guys there. We'll trade m alright, yep, alright,
Speaker 1: I'll see you guys. Alright bye,