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Speaker 3: This is the CEO of Rough Riders.
Speaker 4: And we're gonna give him his motherfucking flowers today in
Speaker 4: case you don't know what we're talking about. So my
Speaker 4: motherfucker deep so D for the people that don't know, right,
Speaker 4: how did Rough Riders get started?
Speaker 3: How did?
Speaker 2: How did? How did?
Speaker 4: That's right, that's why that's but people don't don't know.
Speaker 3: But how did?
Speaker 4: Because Rough Riders a lot of people don't understand that
Speaker 4: Rough Riders is like a motorcycle crew kind of right.
Speaker 4: And then it's a record label, so it's like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: It's more like music. And then this bike is two separate.
Speaker 3: Entity which bikes was in first, or music was first?
Speaker 2: The music was first. We were doing music way before
Speaker 2: the bikes. Then we just attached that to the bikes,
Speaker 2: to the music, and that's how they came into play
Speaker 2: after the music that we've been doing music before bikes, right, right.
Speaker 4: So I love this story about DMX right uh where
Speaker 4: Leo all comes to see him and I believe and
Speaker 4: and and exit jaw is wire shut ye ye. So
Speaker 4: first of all, first of all, how wasn't you like
Speaker 4: nervous to present him to Leo Coles because his his
Speaker 4: wi his George Wyat But you knew his talent was
Speaker 4: that raw that that that Leo was going. So this
Speaker 4: problem what happens okay involved right.
Speaker 2: Well, what happened was IRV used to be a producer
Speaker 2: for us in this way before he got a situation.
Speaker 2: Then he believed the next use. He knew we was
Speaker 2: working on developing them through the course of six years
Speaker 2: or however long it was taken. But he was there
Speaker 2: some of that journey, witness some of that journey. He
Speaker 2: witnessed that, you know, the experience to get the experienced
Speaker 2: exit to see his.
Speaker 5: Talent and knew he was good going back when he
Speaker 5: was working with Mike Geronimo.
Speaker 2: Because he had Mike Geronimo first, before he had cash.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, they was all connected. So we had him
Speaker 2: probably even before we had HERV, even before he did that,
Speaker 2: because I think he didn't have nothing at that moment.
Speaker 2: He wasn't even making My brother bought him a drum machine.
Speaker 2: He gave him his first drum machine, and that's when
Speaker 2: he got into start doing beat And he was the
Speaker 2: first drum machine we bought him.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: So then okay, so is it IRV who says I
Speaker 4: got Leo Coles is coming.
Speaker 3: They want to come to see him. Oh okay.
Speaker 2: What happened was IRV must have got connected with somebody
Speaker 2: at death Chair and they gave him a job at
Speaker 2: death Sham. So they told him, you know, we need
Speaker 2: to do X, Y and Z and he was like, no,
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. I got somebody I
Speaker 2: want to work. He was talking about exit and they
Speaker 2: knew X. We know X always balking and doing different things.
Speaker 2: So he started doing when he rhymes, and then they said,
Speaker 2: well we can. He must have been the meeting at
Speaker 2: death Chair. He got the job as the A n R.
Speaker 2: And he was like, well I got d MX. He
Speaker 2: was like, well we don't. They shld him. We don't
Speaker 2: want nobody that balks and we ain't. We don't want
Speaker 2: to let we we just here to sell records. So
Speaker 2: he quit his job, quit his job, and he quit
Speaker 2: his job. Then Leork came back and got him and
Speaker 2: said no, no, no, no, come back. We need you, We
Speaker 2: need you, we need you. So he went back to
Speaker 2: do his job. He said, only way I'm gonna take
Speaker 2: my job is if you come with me to Yankers
Speaker 2: and meet DMX. So that's when they came to the
Speaker 2: Younkers in the DMX.
Speaker 4: I'll do so all right, but here's here's here's my deal,
Speaker 4: right because you didn't have an artist at that time, correct.
Speaker 2: No, we we had.
Speaker 4: I don't know what I'm saying, like I'm signed. No no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: it wasn't something so so le York is coming there.
Speaker 4: But what made you have the confidence to say, you
Speaker 4: know what, I'm gonna let him rhyme even though his
Speaker 4: his joy is wired, because.
Speaker 2: He already knew he could do it, because he was
Speaker 2: doing the previous like little stuff in the studio waving.
Speaker 2: But even that deal just came out of nowhere. His
Speaker 2: joe was still wire. He wasn't getting around that right,
Speaker 2: but he was already rhymen, so I know he can
Speaker 2: do that. But we wasn't baking of him rhymen at
Speaker 2: that time. We were just banking on his music, playing some music.
Speaker 2: So Leo just was like, well, let me hear something.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I said, come here, XK for
Speaker 2: a minute. But he was talking. He was rhyming like
Speaker 2: I'm talking so even yeah, but you don't know it's
Speaker 2: George Y and Leo, nobody knows it's George White at
Speaker 2: the time. He's just as I'm talking. This is how
Speaker 2: he's rhyming. Very no, it don't sound like nothing on
Speaker 2: this joke, but they don't know it's George White at
Speaker 2: this time. So I said, all right, come here, and
Speaker 2: he split a couple of rounds like Leo was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, that's pretty good and this, and then I
Speaker 2: was like, now coming from me, and I told me,
Speaker 2: coming a little across, to open your mouth. Just look
Speaker 2: at his mouth and see his mouth was shut. Wow, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's it. That's what made me get a deal with
Speaker 2: his doors. He's seeing that the Joe was wie.
Speaker 5: So you guys didn't have no other deal before that? No, no,
Speaker 5: because I swore that I had.
Speaker 3: Heard X on records, but was well.
Speaker 5: Like anything with Big Bat, anything like that.
Speaker 3: That's when he called solo right something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had to do a way back. But I
Speaker 2: think that probably even before us with somebody else and
Speaker 2: then we had got him. So but with us, it
Speaker 2: was probably that moving forward. But he was already rapping
Speaker 2: and doing things. But it was kind of difficult because
Speaker 2: you know, different type of artists. He worked out for
Speaker 2: us because we knew how to handle him. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. He wasn't type of artists where you
Speaker 2: just say go there through the song. It didn't work
Speaker 2: like that. Never ever, he'd rather be outside flying recent
Speaker 2: calls on the floor.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So let me ask you, and
Speaker 3: I just recently. I recently discovered this, right.
Speaker 4: I was recently just going through tours and.
Speaker 3: I realized that Rough Rider Cash.
Speaker 4: Money Toll might be top five of hip hop greatest
Speaker 4: tours of all time.
Speaker 2: That was a good tour.
Speaker 3: I was, so, how did this happen? You and Baby
Speaker 3: got together?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know how it worked out because we was
Speaker 2: in We was doing well at that time and they
Speaker 2: were doing well at the time. So it's Baby and
Speaker 2: Slim and as me and my brother, so you know,
Speaker 2: it kind of connected. They from the streets, were from
Speaker 2: the streets, so we come from that side of the
Speaker 2: program that we were dealing with them. So they were like, okay,
Speaker 2: so we clicked and then they had Juvenile. I need
Speaker 2: to use Juvenile for a song, So I said, let
Speaker 2: me get Juvenile. Once I got Juvenile, put them on
Speaker 2: one of the compilations that we did, and then we
Speaker 2: got close. And that's how we connected the tour and
Speaker 2: we figured out how to make a tour happen.
Speaker 4: Because you know, a lot of us don't know when
Speaker 4: we're making history, and some of us do know when
Speaker 4: we're making history. Some of us are like, we smack
Speaker 4: that in the middle of it, and like, yo, if
Speaker 4: this goes correct, all right, this is going to be
Speaker 4: a legendary, it's gonna be an historic moment from from
Speaker 4: the beginning. Did you know that about that?
Speaker 2: To all? No, he did, no remember thinking about history.
Speaker 2: Were just doing what we loved and and just music.
Speaker 2: When you love we are a passion for music. So
Speaker 2: when you got a passion, you don't be thinking about
Speaker 2: what you're doing. You're just doing it a the love
Speaker 2: of the music and the people that you believe in.
Speaker 2: So that was more for me, like be able to
Speaker 2: uh because I had kissing them my head. They all
Speaker 2: from Yonkers kids on yo. So I had them for
Speaker 2: years when it was babies. I used take them to
Speaker 2: school and pick them up and drop them off. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: So I got a chance to watch them develop, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So you never know until you
Speaker 2: get there. You know, It's not like I could foresee
Speaker 2: and say this is going to be big. I got
Speaker 2: artists that I worked with that didn't make it, so
Speaker 2: you know, you got to pick and shoes and they
Speaker 2: just have them staying out and popo so they worked
Speaker 2: and exs from Yonkers and and the locks is from Yankis.
Speaker 2: So that was that was something that I deal with
Speaker 2: to this day.
Speaker 5: But hold up, but going back to that tour really quick, Yes,
Speaker 5: how difficult was that logistically for did you guys have.
Speaker 4: To Yeah, like that's don't say I'm thinking y'all would
Speaker 4: have egos. I'm thinking that would be class.
Speaker 2: Read about it. Like the whole time. We never had
Speaker 2: a problem, not in that one incident, because here it's
Speaker 2: easy when you both understand each other. You're from the street.
Speaker 2: Were from the street, all right, and we never even
Speaker 2: I don't even think it was a fight on that hotel.
Speaker 2: I don't think we have no type because it's a
Speaker 2: line of respect, you know, because you already know where
Speaker 2: it's going. It ain't no offens, it ain't no in between.
Speaker 2: You ain't gonna ain't gonna be a couple of punches
Speaker 2: in the past. You have the answer to a type
Speaker 2: of situation. So we don't want no problems. They don't
Speaker 2: want no problem, and we respect them. So they was young,
Speaker 2: we were young, just coming in the game, and we
Speaker 2: just want to do we have to do that make
Speaker 2: history right, So.
Speaker 3: How does that happen?
Speaker 4: Because you're both hot, right, there's no way that you
Speaker 4: can measure, you know, d MX hotness to Lil Wayne
Speaker 4: hotness or Jeuvy was hot.
Speaker 3: Believe Juvy did three million that year. I believe the
Speaker 3: accident like ten million.
Speaker 4: So how do y'all, how do y'all decide who comes,
Speaker 4: who closes out the show?
Speaker 3: Or how did that go?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you a crazy story. Not even with them.
Speaker 2: It was easy because we were able to say you
Speaker 2: can close, we can close. I think we were swipping
Speaker 2: it like that, you close, we close, you closed, something
Speaker 2: like that. So that's like you got another don't make it,
Speaker 2: make work. So but one of the times we had
Speaker 2: a situation and this is with Hoove, so we was
Speaker 2: on tour. Then we have to refer the rocket falls,
Speaker 2: so this is the tall So we're on tour one time,
Speaker 2: so we was already debating on X going last, and
Speaker 2: I was like, no, hole, want to go last. So
Speaker 2: you know they already been going through they little well
Speaker 2: wait before they got there, right, So he got an
Speaker 2: ego ast ego, I'm better than you, you ain't better
Speaker 2: than me, and we're going through that. So I was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, we got to a degreement, were like,
Speaker 2: you know what goad, y'all can go last. So I
Speaker 2: told Hole he could go last. Yeah, I said, a
Speaker 2: cool He talked to him and he's cool. So maybe
Speaker 2: like three shows in so you know X is going
Speaker 2: before a whole so taking a shirt off, it's a
Speaker 2: whole nother situation going on. So he got this type
Speaker 2: of energy that when he go, if you're going after him,
Speaker 2: whoever's after him, the crowd probably gonna be burnt out
Speaker 2: after the time. So there wasn't getting the energy from
Speaker 2: them that he just know they normally would have.
Speaker 3: Gotten because it almost guy jumping.
Speaker 2: So they go on record and when Hope get up there,
Speaker 2: they ain't got no more energy. He was like, he
Speaker 2: was like, you know what. So we went back in
Speaker 2: the room. He was like, this is what we're going
Speaker 2: to do. Let's can we work it out like this,
Speaker 2: y'all can go last, and I'll go before X. That's
Speaker 2: how we set it up. After three shows though, because
Speaker 2: X was draining the crowd, he wasn't getting a response
Speaker 2: and energy, so we.
Speaker 3: Switched it back around. Nobody can't fuck.
Speaker 4: The dog results man, So all right, boom so your
Speaker 4: first deal right, uh? Well, Rough Riders was it was
Speaker 4: the Locks signed first, and that was signed to bad Boy.
Speaker 2: Okay, we was managing them. We didn't even have them signing.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, So just manage because I.
Speaker 4: Always thought y'all was production, and why not recently that
Speaker 4: y'all was managing them?
Speaker 3: Okay, when you're bruging the Puff, he was.
Speaker 4: He was the management Okay, not not one hundred percent
Speaker 4: managing Okay, so how does that work?
Speaker 2: We just was managing them. We we we had X signed,
Speaker 2: but we was managing them. So you know, we're going
Speaker 2: through their little trying to get where X was because
Speaker 2: X was already who he was and as an artist,
Speaker 2: and it was just up you young, up and coming artists.
Speaker 2: So but I did was we were still learning the
Speaker 2: game ourself too at this point, so I was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, just sign the Puff and I could
Speaker 2: pretty much learn the game and study the game as
Speaker 2: I'm managing them. So all I did was when he
Speaker 2: went to when the studio, I would go to the
Speaker 2: studio with puffing. I would see how they would work
Speaker 2: and see how everything was going. Because I ain't know
Speaker 2: much about music neither, but I learned it from just
Speaker 2: watching him doing albums. Bigg's album Kim album, and it
Speaker 2: was just running back and forth from this room to
Speaker 2: that room. Now. I used to be like, dam why
Speaker 2: do you keep running from room the room? But he
Speaker 2: was doing two albums, one in this room and one
Speaker 2: in that room.
Speaker 3: He was doing bigs at who else?
Speaker 2: He probably doing Big album and Kim's out.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: But he running back and forth with me, like you know,
Speaker 2: I'm new to the game. So I'm like, you keep
Speaker 2: running back and forth with are you doing? So he
Speaker 2: was working on Kim's album and BIG's album. He was
Speaker 2: working both albums at once.
Speaker 4: Wow, when you got the idea to do DMX two albums, No,
Speaker 4: I'll get a better idea for that.
Speaker 3: Okay, you talk about that.
Speaker 2: But see, see what they don't know is X used
Speaker 2: to be with me because I used to be I
Speaker 2: used to be in Baltimore, so I used to be
Speaker 2: out there. I used to keep them with me so
Speaker 2: I could keep my arms so you don't be getting
Speaker 2: in trouble. So what happened was one day was on
Speaker 2: the block and where was outside? And he was like,
Speaker 2: I asked him something and he had like a selective memory.
Speaker 2: He had a memory of where you couldn't forget if
Speaker 2: you said it to me, it sounds he had one
Speaker 2: of those memories. So I was like, how you remember?
Speaker 2: He was, oh, I got a memory. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: if I said it and two three times, I just
Speaker 2: can't forget it. So just so I figured that out,
Speaker 2: and that was probably years before we got a deal.
Speaker 2: So I said, okay, I give you one hundred dollars
Speaker 2: for every rhym, and you give me oh yeah. So
Speaker 2: he was like, all right, So every day you were
Speaker 2: coming me with two rhymes and I'd be like, say
Speaker 2: that and I hear it, and I'll be like, say
Speaker 2: it again. You say it again, I'm all right, say
Speaker 2: it again. He say two times. I know you're never
Speaker 2: gonna forget it, because that's how his mind was. So
Speaker 2: when they say two hours in one year, I've been
Speaker 2: had the albums in his head. All I had to do.
Speaker 2: He never had to write again. I just be like,
Speaker 2: all I had to do was remember like three balls
Speaker 2: and be like blah blah blah blah blah blah. You
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I remember going to move and say the
Speaker 2: whole song.
Speaker 5: That's crazy, he said, around right, but I want to
Speaker 5: go further back because you said that you learned the
Speaker 5: music business when managing the Locks being around bat Boy.
Speaker 5: But where did you guys get the bug to even
Speaker 5: want to get into the music business at all.
Speaker 2: Well, the music came from my brother. He was looking
Speaker 2: at a Cowboy movie one time and him and my
Speaker 2: mother was looking at That's what they came with the
Speaker 2: name rough as we was probably already doing music dances. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but we know Chad Elliott and doctor Seuss he was
Speaker 2: around way back then too, because you know, we was
Speaker 2: connected with him as well, so he played the big
Speaker 2: part on us getting focused on me. But we always
Speaker 2: had doing little music here in it, but then we
Speaker 2: took it to the next level. But how we got
Speaker 2: that the rougher of music influence is because they was
Speaker 2: looking at that movie and it was Cowboy, Black Cowboys.
Speaker 2: We took that name and just called it rough Riders.
Speaker 2: They was called rough Riders. That's how we got the
Speaker 2: name rough Riders from the Cowboy movie Rough Riders.
Speaker 5: And this is before you guys even had any connection
Speaker 5: any artists. You just this is the idea, we're gonna
Speaker 5: go this way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna try this and
Speaker 2: just give it a shot, and you know, we just
Speaker 2: believed in Plus, we have people rhyme every day all
Speaker 2: day all the time. You know, we're in the hood,
Speaker 2: like we're from the hood. We see that all day.
Speaker 2: So it was easy for us to connect with the
Speaker 2: people because you see them every day like that.
Speaker 4: Because because I've read somewhere you I think you did
Speaker 4: a state bid and did a fat bed and he said,
Speaker 4: you said, I gotta try something different.
Speaker 2: You know about that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so you said so you said, I gotta
Speaker 4: try something different. But what made you because at this time,
Speaker 4: d I had money. There's about there's about but there's
Speaker 4: about like three hundred people. There's about three, probably two
Speaker 4: at this time before you successful black street CEOs, and
Speaker 4: what I mean by that, there was other black CEOs,
Speaker 4: but they wasn't for us, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: They wasn't.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like I believe. I believe you Dame Dash
Speaker 4: and IRV Gotti kind of changed the game, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. I mean, in my opinion, like black
Speaker 4: strong CEOs, but but at that time that wasn't popular.
Speaker 4: So this is what I'm trying to ask you, Like
Speaker 4: what made you invest me? And and I heard you
Speaker 4: say you had a statement and a fat bed. But
Speaker 4: what made you say? You know hip hop?
Speaker 3: Because you know what I mean, like, you.
Speaker 2: Know what, I wasn't really thinking about it like that.
Speaker 2: I just listened to rap. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Everybody know rapper. You enjoyed your inspect I appreciate rap.
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 2: I loved but I didn't know nothing about how to
Speaker 2: make music and I wasn't into it like that. And
Speaker 2: my brother had he had said he ran into heavy
Speaker 2: D because where we used to be at in Mount Vernon.
Speaker 2: Heaven's from Mount Vernon. So he ran into me and say, look,
Speaker 2: this is what you could do. And we was hustling
Speaker 2: probably about at that point. He's like, you could do this,
Speaker 2: try this, try some music that will help you out.
Speaker 2: And my brother was going start going into the music.
Speaker 2: Then he told me and I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: let's give it a shot.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: So we saw me with the music like that, So
Speaker 4: that was your inspiration, said heavy D because I'm Vernon
Speaker 4: and is like, that's that's like the next almost like
Speaker 4: the Bronx.
Speaker 2: In ma hand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you want that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so heavy D, because man, heavy D was the
Speaker 4: inspiration for all of us.
Speaker 3: But I had a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he helped a lot of people too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so so that was the first inspiration. You see
Speaker 4: someone successful to come over the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Pulling up because we used to hustle on third and third,
Speaker 2: thirty and third is where all the everybody's out there
Speaker 2: trying to do what they do to get whatever they
Speaker 2: can make. And he pull up every now and then periodically.
Speaker 2: I was good with his brother, which his brother was.
Speaker 2: His brother's name was Jerry. He passed away. Cad blessed
Speaker 2: that he was the wild boy, was the good kids.
Speaker 2: So he ran with us and Jerry used to be
Speaker 2: with us and we run everything. So yeah, we got
Speaker 2: it from that. We're running through, passing through and he
Speaker 2: was big head was big at that time. You know,
Speaker 2: we had the big albums. He inspired us to do
Speaker 2: the right thing.
Speaker 4: How about Mary J. Blige because she's from the Yonkers area.
Speaker 2: She from Wyom. That's Kiss and Mary. They all live
Speaker 2: in Wyom, you know, so they from over the sheet.
Speaker 2: I like the marriage music. I love her music, but
Speaker 2: I never knew it, so she really inspired me.
Speaker 3: Really, you never never never knew Mary.
Speaker 2: I know Mary I love Mary Marry. It's good. She family,
Speaker 2: but I ain't listened to her to the album. One
Speaker 2: of her albums was crazy then. I knew it then,
Speaker 2: but I didn't know it before that.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I'm gonna bounce around a little bit. One
Speaker 4: of the hottest subjects on the internet right now, it's
Speaker 4: thirty eight spect versus Jada Kiss.
Speaker 2: No, it ain't Jada Kiss. You know, I got my
Speaker 2: boy on him, which is the US that I'm working,
Speaker 2: which is Jada Kiss's cousin Brillo. So he the one
Speaker 2: going back and forth with him, right, really? Yeah, we said,
Speaker 2: let us get this kiss, we'll take care of him.
Speaker 2: So and we we took it in him at thirty eights,
Speaker 2: going back and we just sent me something today. Yep,
Speaker 2: you just sent me a joint that he did today.
Speaker 2: But going back and forth with writing a letter for
Speaker 2: thirty especially, he wrote a letter to them.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 4: So let me ask you, because you've been through this,
Speaker 4: You've seen Big and Pop, you see Kissing and Beanie,
Speaker 4: you've seen Wove and everybody, everybody. Basically, do you think
Speaker 4: this is good for hip hop?
Speaker 2: But the back and forth, Yeah, I mean it's good
Speaker 2: as bad as you make it. You know, it's just
Speaker 2: just a sport. You know, who can box the best,
Speaker 2: who can run the best is the sport. It depends
Speaker 2: on how you look at you know, what you want
Speaker 2: to turn into. I mean, I don't look at artists
Speaker 2: asks like they come in here to be shooters and killers.
Speaker 2: That case, they can stay on the block and they
Speaker 2: don't get in here. They just see the people that's
Speaker 2: around them ain't giving them the right the right information.
Speaker 2: Because see, you got a bunch of kids that come
Speaker 2: in I had kissing them when they was kids. I
Speaker 2: know what to tell them. Not to look y'all go
Speaker 2: that way, because if you was about this life, you
Speaker 2: would have been over there, not over here. You can't
Speaker 2: get over here. There's shoot don't want to be a
Speaker 2: drug dealer and the killer. Right, it's just don't go
Speaker 2: so you stay over there, continue to move that way.
Speaker 2: So most people don't got the right people around. They
Speaker 2: get money, they get a little money up, they go
Speaker 2: buy a couple of guns and then they they kill us.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: No, no, we don't need that a hip hop No, definitely,
Speaker 3: But you do like the competitive spirit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, okay, it works. Yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 2: That's that's what it is. It's just like playing basketball,
Speaker 2: you know, the competitive they're gonna you're gonna challenge you.
Speaker 2: You gotta challenge. That's what makes this more interesting.
Speaker 5: Right. But if the two mcs are the are the athletes,
Speaker 5: it's the people around those that are not the athlete's.
Speaker 3: Artists that do it that's the problem. Because I heard
Speaker 3: I heard that.
Speaker 4: You've seen BBC at a park and you called Jada Kiss.
Speaker 4: It's a normal phone called told them to get in
Speaker 4: the cab and you're pulled right up and squat story
Speaker 4: right yeah, yeah, yeah, squashed it right there and there
Speaker 4: like it was just them too.
Speaker 2: What happened was being is from Philly, but we is
Speaker 2: in Harlem, so I'm in Harlem. You know I'll be
Speaker 2: in Harlem. So what happened was they was doing event
Speaker 2: for the kids, giving away stuff and giving them free
Speaker 2: haircuts and different things. So I'm in the house and
Speaker 2: my barber called me and was like, you know that
Speaker 2: Kiss and Beans had a little situation. So he called
Speaker 2: me and said, because they keep telling the story. They
Speaker 2: smoked so much. God there inn week and kids they
Speaker 2: tell the fucking sort this is the story. So so
Speaker 2: what happened was my barber called me, tell me Beans
Speaker 2: is in the park. So I was like, I'll be
Speaker 2: right there, so I'll shoot to the park. I go
Speaker 2: in there. I was like, all right, what we doing?
Speaker 2: So being said with a couple of people. So I
Speaker 2: was like, what we're doing because we're trying to fix
Speaker 2: this before escalation.
Speaker 3: Has managed. Okay okay, okay okay.
Speaker 2: I like that was with him?
Speaker 3: Yes, so was with him.
Speaker 2: And I ran up in the park and I talked
Speaker 2: to him and I was like, what were doing because
Speaker 2: we're trying to fix this before they escalate, because it's
Speaker 2: gonna go. It's gonna go. So he said, you know,
Speaker 2: no good, no problem.
Speaker 7: Boom.
Speaker 2: I said, hold on one second. I walked out the
Speaker 2: call kiss' see here, jump in the cab, come to
Speaker 2: the park. So he come to the park because by myself, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he came by myself. Is in the crypt. He came
Speaker 2: to the park. I met him at the park. He said,
Speaker 2: come on, let's go down there and go talk to
Speaker 2: them so we can figure this out. So I walk
Speaker 2: him down to the park. I tell him and beings
Speaker 2: go over there and talk over there. So I let
Speaker 2: them go over there and talk. They went over there
Speaker 2: and talked. They hasted out whatever it is.
Speaker 3: They did this after they made this records after that
Speaker 3: or this is. This had to be after ye I
Speaker 3: had to be after, he say, after they had already
Speaker 3: been thising each other record this this, this, this was
Speaker 3: they had to be after Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's washed it.
Speaker 2: But we're going back and forth. We had to fix it.
Speaker 2: So after it, so they went over there and talked.
Speaker 2: And see what happens is when we get into situations
Speaker 2: with any of us or anybody, and we got to
Speaker 2: get involved, and you tell me you ain't gonna do
Speaker 2: something because I could do what I want to you
Speaker 2: right here, because you're in New York. I got more
Speaker 2: than enough people with me to do what I want
Speaker 2: to do. But I'm gonna tell you we're good. So
Speaker 2: me and you catch him in Philly. You can't do
Speaker 2: that because we had wet We went right here, but
Speaker 2: we ain't do that. We I don't know what we
Speaker 2: care what it was, and we let it move. So
Speaker 2: that's all I'm trying to tell you is that he
Speaker 2: go over there and you'll catch him over there. It
Speaker 2: can't be no different.
Speaker 4: You know, it all worked out nah, I love that, man.
Speaker 4: I see them mom, you know doing shows together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're good.
Speaker 3: I imagine, imagine you.
Speaker 4: Dame and V at the Highlight actually got together and
Speaker 4: and and and form some like that would have been
Speaker 4: because you know why, let me just tell you something.
Speaker 4: I believe ninety percent of the artist listen to you.
Speaker 4: Ninety percent of the artists listen to you, and the
Speaker 4: other five percent that I would believe IRV and Dane
Speaker 4: would have had that, I believe the whole industry would
Speaker 4: have followed.
Speaker 2: Y'all one hundred, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: What made y'all not do that, do something like that,
Speaker 3: like because you're always cool?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we never really you know, we never really had
Speaker 2: problems with people. Were more like it's all about the
Speaker 2: youth for us, and you know, trying to help them
Speaker 2: to be able to be better men and make money
Speaker 2: legally without having to do the things we had to
Speaker 2: do to get there. So everybody not gonna make it there,
Speaker 2: you know, because that's just the way it go. So
Speaker 2: it was just something for us to do to help them,
Speaker 2: to point them in the right direction so they're still
Speaker 2: around to this day. Because you know, you don't do
Speaker 2: the way you don't set them up right, They're gonna
Speaker 2: go to crash and go to jail. You know, they
Speaker 2: get locked up for little things here and there and
Speaker 2: maybe get caught with a gun well ship like that.
Speaker 2: But you know they criminals. They're not murderers a drug.
Speaker 2: They just confused kids trying to be something they not.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Earth did try to do.
Speaker 4: Something, but that was what Prince said, which was kind
Speaker 4: of far fetched because they wanted.
Speaker 3: To build their own distribution.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, but they was, they was trying to do that.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying is if Dame IRV and d and
Speaker 4: why would have got together that was all New York, right,
Speaker 4: it would have been a much easier process for it
Speaker 4: to happen. That's the reason why, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I always think like that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And like I said, like like all the artists listen
Speaker 4: to y'all like you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But before we move on, I.
Speaker 4: Want through to know, man, our show was about giving
Speaker 4: people they flowers where they could spell them, they thoughts, where.
Speaker 3: They can tell them they drinks while they drinking. You
Speaker 3: want to give you the first time the original Jersey
Speaker 3: On signature on.
Speaker 2: You gotta frame that stop learning that is you was back.
Speaker 2: It was the biggest.
Speaker 1: It was like.
Speaker 2: I'm over here making surely over here, you know, nothing
Speaker 2: working out, no nothing else.
Speaker 3: So the first time you ever came across X, what
Speaker 3: was that experience?
Speaker 2: That was the first time that X was on one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty fifth Street and my brother already probably
Speaker 2: was dealing with him a little bit, but I was
Speaker 2: out of town.
Speaker 3: So I came back in Copeland. Okay, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm fucking.
Speaker 2: You get that. Sure do your homework. They ain't doing
Speaker 2: this or not doing.
Speaker 3: But that's the first time you met him, because so
Speaker 3: where was your doing?
Speaker 4: Was there?
Speaker 2: And I wasn't really into red music like that, so
Speaker 2: you know, I was like, all right, let me, I'll
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: So when I first heard him, the first time I
Speaker 2: heard him, and I was like and then when I
Speaker 2: heard him, I was like, he's special, right, it all
Speaker 2: right away?
Speaker 8: He's special, Right, He's different. Yeah, it wasn't no, He's
Speaker 8: like he's special. That's that's all I can say. After that,
Speaker 8: I knew it from from that point on, when it
Speaker 8: had to do something with me with him, I was
Speaker 8: all the way and.
Speaker 4: So I want to say something because I watched you
Speaker 4: on the Real Report with Uncle Murder and yeah, yo,
Speaker 4: and they asked you a question. They was like, yo,
Speaker 4: just the ex really used to have dogs in the studio. Now,
Speaker 4: he said, his first time he met DMX.
Speaker 3: This is real talk.
Speaker 4: It's the first time I've met DMX. We're in jib
Speaker 4: what is it Battery studios and Battery Studios. I believe
Speaker 4: it was on twenty third Street downtown, right Bolla.
Speaker 3: So I walk in. No one knows, no one knows
Speaker 3: who I am and knows who X is. But we're
Speaker 3: coming up.
Speaker 2: We're coming up.
Speaker 3: We're both.
Speaker 4: He's on one side of the studio, in the other
Speaker 4: side of the studio.
Speaker 3: With Jungle ex. Dog comes in.
Speaker 4: Jungle scares him, ha ha, that's does some shit and
Speaker 4: the dog runs out.
Speaker 3: It's not his brother for anybody. So the dog runs out.
Speaker 3: The dog went and got X. Yo.
Speaker 2: Yo.
Speaker 3: Somebody just walked at me and swamped in. I squear
Speaker 3: to God, I swear to God. I cannot make this
Speaker 3: ship up. He walked in the studio, was like, y'all
Speaker 3: don't like dogs.
Speaker 4: And I was like, yo, he told you, you know,
Speaker 4: like there was no would mean that left the studio
Speaker 4: the dog.
Speaker 3: It was just the dog and the dog.
Speaker 4: And that's when I said, I said the same shit
Speaker 4: you said. I said, this guy, I didn't hear him rhyme.
Speaker 4: I didn't hear him. I didn't hear him perform. I
Speaker 4: didn't hear him do nothing, but just say, you guys
Speaker 4: don't like dogs.
Speaker 3: The dog went and told him. They told him and said, Yo,
Speaker 3: these guys.
Speaker 4: Don't like dogs. An x k it that's my first
Speaker 4: time ever met me. So oh you know, you know,
Speaker 4: x K to my house. You know I got a
Speaker 4: dog this size. It's a tea cup yokey, and X
Speaker 4: say you want to say, yo, you want me to
Speaker 4: make your dog mean?
Speaker 3: I said, what do you can do that? What are
Speaker 3: you talking about?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 3: My dog is this big?
Speaker 4: Start growling at him. I never even knew my dog
Speaker 4: was tough. My dogs just turn my tea cup yoke
Speaker 4: to a pit bull. But alright, so so so so
Speaker 4: all right by riders, ya got one of the illest
Speaker 4: label deals. For lack of a better term, I believe
Speaker 4: Jimmy I Bean was like the streets whisperer.
Speaker 3: Like he had sugar night, he had you, he had doctor,
Speaker 3: he had rifles on the yo. Like how because I
Speaker 3: mean for me.
Speaker 4: Y'all being on Depth Jam with X and then selling
Speaker 4: you know, the amount of records of your sould. I
Speaker 4: believe it's like ten million or something like that, the
Speaker 4: first album and five million the first album, five million
Speaker 4: the second album.
Speaker 3: Right, that's when it make it ten right.
Speaker 4: But now this is like even though Depth Jam is
Speaker 4: the big league, we all know that under that Universal
Speaker 4: umbrella in the scope is like the big big dog,
Speaker 4: Like you know what I mean, it's Universal. Even though
Speaker 4: Universe it's named Universal. Universal had cash money. But when
Speaker 4: you go to that Innerscope building, that budget is wide open.
Speaker 4: So let me let me let me ask you because
Speaker 4: the Innerscope deal was a label deal, right, okay, So
Speaker 4: so because you got XS Depth Jam, he just did
Speaker 4: what he did.
Speaker 3: Now, how does this work?
Speaker 4: Jimmy I being approaches you and say, man, let me
Speaker 4: take everybody else.
Speaker 2: He wanted to. When we first got with Jimmy, we
Speaker 2: what happened, this is how we got with Jimmy. What
Speaker 2: happened was we wasn't even with Jimmy yet. But what
Speaker 2: happened was he had Eve Drey had Eve over there
Speaker 2: and so they had it. So X came back from
Speaker 2: Cali and was like, oh, I got this girl.
Speaker 3: Boom boom boom bing.
Speaker 2: I was like, a he sitting over here, so he
Speaker 2: sent her and we was working when I was like,
Speaker 2: she's kind of nice. So we had to go through
Speaker 2: Jimmy and I being to get to get Eve because
Speaker 2: after man, I've had it. But they couldn't do nothing
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 4: She was already negotiating the Interscope deal, like he's saying,
Speaker 4: this is how it leads.
Speaker 2: Up to this. So we met them through that that
Speaker 2: situation first and we got out of that situation and
Speaker 2: it really couldn't do nothing with X at that moment.
Speaker 2: But we went to the first time we went to
Speaker 2: Cali though that that was that was secondary. But the
Speaker 2: first time we went to Cali is that she flew
Speaker 2: us out there to sign He went to sign. No.
Speaker 3: I never heard of this story yet, wed them.
Speaker 2: We sit down, Okay, sugar fluid. I don't even yeah
Speaker 2: he did that because I remember when in the picture
Speaker 2: I seen the picture, Park was in the picture of me, Park,
Speaker 2: my brother, Sugar and what else is over there's a picture.
Speaker 3: I remember, I remember X said this.
Speaker 2: I remember.
Speaker 3: We got to show the picture, and I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 3: I remember saying this story. We slightly on drink cans,
Speaker 3: look ahead.
Speaker 4: So so Sugar flew out out there first time, Ben Kelly,
Speaker 4: and then y'all mad in the scope.
Speaker 2: Oh no, we met outside of the park.
Speaker 3: Okay, the Meridian you okay, So hold on, hold, hold hold?
Speaker 2: How did X?
Speaker 3: I mean, how did Shug hear about X? He had
Speaker 3: underground record.
Speaker 2: Of mouth people talking.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: What happened was Sugar, Sugar. You know, he's from the street,
Speaker 2: and I'm so good with Shig and you know, some
Speaker 2: people could throw certain things and do things, and you
Speaker 2: know that if they could take you people they do,
Speaker 2: that's probably it was clear that that's probably not gonna
Speaker 2: be the thing over here, you know, because it ain't know,
Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of like taking and not doing
Speaker 2: the right thing with it. So if he ain't gonna
Speaker 2: do the right thing, they don't do nothing. So I
Speaker 2: ain't gonna do the right thing. So he did the
Speaker 2: right thing not doing nothing. Wow, So we're just able
Speaker 2: to go back and we figured out as we go.
Speaker 2: But he did fly us out there the first time
Speaker 2: to Kelly, but actual to see if he can get him.
Speaker 2: But it didn't work out. So it's all good.
Speaker 3: Alternative reality though act is that done?
Speaker 2: Throw?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's because I'm asking, that's right, because what part
Speaker 3: of ship is this?
Speaker 6: Is? This?
Speaker 5: Is this when after the math is popping? Or no,
Speaker 5: this is death death roll. He wasn't harder after remember
Speaker 5: after that when Dre leaves.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, didn't he happen another label after after matho.
Speaker 5: He stuck with that throw who Drea no no sug
Speaker 5: no sugar is just death throw and just after math Okay,
Speaker 5: remember Drake left after death Row created aftermath, right, and
Speaker 5: then Shuk stayed with it, and that's.
Speaker 2: When Puk went over.
Speaker 3: Well Pak went over when that's when Dre left.
Speaker 2: Right, it was all in the school. That's Jimmy, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's all Jimmy.
Speaker 4: So that's the first time you went to the first time.
Speaker 4: For the second time, the second time is when you
Speaker 4: meet Eve.
Speaker 2: You said Eve came, Eve came to New York. She
Speaker 2: was in Kelly already with Dre and them, trying to
Speaker 2: figure out her album and her situation with Dre and them.
Speaker 2: X must have went over there and ran into it.
Speaker 2: He flew back and told us about Eve.
Speaker 3: And then so then how did how do you make
Speaker 3: this deal happen?
Speaker 2: Well, what we did was I spoke to Jimmy. We
Speaker 2: went back and forth and he was like, all right,
Speaker 2: because Drake couldn't do nothing with him, but what Eve?
Speaker 2: It wasn't working out whatever it was, So he was like,
Speaker 2: all right, we can, We'll do it. We'll give you
Speaker 2: a deal and you can work the Eve project. So
Speaker 2: we took that. I think we had three deals, three situations,
Speaker 2: but she was one of them.
Speaker 3: Was one of them. Probably was probably was evelation.
Speaker 2: A compilations something, but it was those are the things.
Speaker 2: But he was able to break on the compilation. So
Speaker 2: it's easy to get a compilation, so you can break
Speaker 2: different artists on and that's who you grab. So you
Speaker 2: don't got to get a bunch of bunches. You can
Speaker 2: have one one compilation, put everybody on it to start
Speaker 2: Rise out of there. That's whoever started what rises out
Speaker 2: of there? That's what you pulled, all right.
Speaker 4: Has there ever been an artist that you worked with
Speaker 4: that you felt like I had all the talent but.
Speaker 3: Just didn't have the didn't have the dots, just didn't come.
Speaker 2: Across mm hmm. You know, I didn't have them, but
Speaker 2: I had a lot of people, but I didn't sign them,
Speaker 2: but I had them enough because me she used to
Speaker 2: be up when I had Mace, the locks X, Eve, Swiss,
Speaker 2: p K, Grease, So I had all them. So we
Speaker 2: just we we we we had a little bit of everybody,
Speaker 2: but we didn't have Big L. But my brother, My
Speaker 2: brother used to handle him, but we didn't have him personally.
Speaker 2: I don't really get a chance to work with Big L.
Speaker 2: But he's from Harlem. So all the other ones that happened,
Speaker 2: Macon's from the same block, Cameras from the same block.
Speaker 2: They're all from forty if in one in that area.
Speaker 2: So they I had running this win all of them.
Speaker 3: Wow and drag on too, right.
Speaker 2: Dragons from the drag draggons, draggons from the b X.
Speaker 2: He's good all right?
Speaker 5: So and well who you guys had a Southern artist?
Speaker 5: What was was a young one, young one too, and
Speaker 5: one was.
Speaker 2: Good too from me from Atlanta. Yeah, So what happened
Speaker 2: was we had them for a little bit. I don't
Speaker 2: think we really signed him, but he used to be
Speaker 2: working with us. So what happened was when the time
Speaker 2: was going on. We had too many artists at the time,
Speaker 2: so we couldn't really sign that many more people. We
Speaker 2: have five of it. So whoever we had left over,
Speaker 2: I always say I gave him to my nephew Swiss.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, you take him, you take them
Speaker 2: into over there and they went to did the deal.
Speaker 3: Somewhere with close service Clive Davis. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: So let me ask you about that, because in nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety seven I recorded a record called band from TV right, me, uh,
Speaker 4: the locks on Styles and kisses on there Nature Cam
Speaker 4: and me, right, it's my record, right, Big Punt and
Speaker 4: Big Pun. At the time, he was searching for bees
Speaker 4: and I believe I believe Swiss was working with expert.
Speaker 4: I believe I was the first person to work outside
Speaker 4: of rough Riders with Swiss. And I remember I was like, yo,
Speaker 4: so what's what's the producer's name? And they just kept saying, man,
Speaker 4: it's these nephews. Do you remember in the period with
Speaker 4: like Swiss didn't even have a name. They used to
Speaker 4: call the bees And I called him d nephew. At
Speaker 4: what boy nephew. He's like, man, my name is Swift.
Speaker 2: Nephew. H How did you know that. How did you
Speaker 2: know that?
Speaker 4: You because you know, working with family is good. Sometimes
Speaker 4: working with family is horrible sometimes. How did you know
Speaker 4: that your nephew is gonna be one of the biggest
Speaker 4: producers of all time.
Speaker 2: I didn't know he was gonna be He can't predict
Speaker 2: somebody put the work in, you know, you know, you
Speaker 2: can't never predict somebody gonna be big. You just have
Speaker 2: to believe in them and just keep pushing them until
Speaker 2: they get big. Some people making some people don't. You
Speaker 2: just happened to make it because you know, we kept
Speaker 2: a tight grip on him from a little kid. So
Speaker 2: he was always here. He know, not smoking weed, drinking,
Speaker 2: but I need you to focus on that, focus on that.
Speaker 2: So he would. He used to live with me. He
Speaker 2: was in Atlanta first, then he flew back. He stayed
Speaker 2: with me. So I lived not too far from the studio,
Speaker 2: which is probably a couple of maybe like four miles
Speaker 2: away from the house. So I said, go to the studio.
Speaker 2: You know, we had the studio on Young Bekers. So
Speaker 2: he go to the studio and every day he would
Speaker 2: come back the next day and I'd be like, listen
Speaker 2: to this pace. Yeah, prep twenty five brand new beats.
Speaker 2: That's not it, that's not it, that's not it forever.
Speaker 2: And then after the minute he got it, something clicked
Speaker 2: and he got it. Yeah, so I started using his
Speaker 2: beat because he had it, but on the takeoff it
Speaker 2: took a little bit for him to get it, but
Speaker 2: he got it eventually. You know what I said.
Speaker 4: Notice about Swiss was the perfect mixture of Like he
Speaker 4: had the Bronx obviously there you go.
Speaker 3: Then he had Atlanta, but then he had like some
Speaker 3: dazz haul like you.
Speaker 4: Could tell like he had like some type of Jamaican
Speaker 4: or some type of Caribbean with him, Like because yeah.
Speaker 2: Because he's from the Bronx on Boston Road, ain't not
Speaker 2: a bunch of makings.
Speaker 4: Over the.
Speaker 3: Caribbe It makes more serio. So I didn't even know that.
Speaker 4: I just knew, like because like when I used to
Speaker 4: work him early on, like you know, people knew who
Speaker 4: I was, but people didn't know who I was. So
Speaker 4: he would he would like grab like records and like
Speaker 4: coming to the club and we were sneaking the club,
Speaker 4: just me and him, and like he would play the
Speaker 4: record and no one knows it's us, and.
Speaker 3: He'll play the record, He'll see how the people will react.
Speaker 3: He'd be like this, ain't it And I'm like, oh, Ship,
Speaker 3: like we just like and then we'll go to the
Speaker 3: club the next day and he was like, Yo, this
Speaker 3: is and then he see people like and then he's like,
Speaker 3: now we got it.
Speaker 4: No, And I'm like, I never knew this type of ship,
Speaker 4: Like I've never done that with no other producer To
Speaker 4: this day, I don't even know if I Swiss even
Speaker 4: knows that, like makes a noise, and you see what
Speaker 4: they do on with versus first. I think he's like
Speaker 4: a nuer capitalist. He doesn't even show up no more.
Speaker 2: Like the formula you have to formula pretty good, see it.
Speaker 4: You know we're gonna play our game and you can
Speaker 4: get a designated drinker if you want, yes, like to
Speaker 4: drink this for me? Put up, get chr as a
Speaker 4: black cowboy from Harlem. Goddamn make some noise. Oh Ship,
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, hell your block we're gonna get into block talk.
Speaker 2: Appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah yeah, hell we're gonna get it into the
Speaker 4: block talk.
Speaker 5: Uh. You got the big boys there, all right, We're
Speaker 5: gonna give you, guys, We're gonna give you. And then
Speaker 5: you're gonna drink with us. We're gonna give you two choices.
Speaker 5: If you pick one, we don't drink. Pick the right one,
Speaker 5: if you know, it's really whatever up.
Speaker 2: To you, whoever you pick.
Speaker 5: But if you pick, if you pick one of the two,
Speaker 5: we don't drink. But if you say both or neither,
Speaker 5: like you really don't want to answer you like both
Speaker 5: of them, you don't like both of them, then we
Speaker 5: all drink.
Speaker 2: But we drinking. Really, he drinks when you drink.
Speaker 5: When you say both, are neither, right, So if you
Speaker 5: don't pick one, we drinking all right? And this is
Speaker 5: really just to bring up names, not really each other. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so first one is resting piece of both d M
Speaker 5: X Biggie.
Speaker 2: Which one you like the best? Yeah, you're crieteria, don't
Speaker 2: talk crazy, whoever whoever you like better? That's like this,
Speaker 2: that's insane. Say I'm honorable, God, look, I stand strong here.
Speaker 2: No way I can say anybody. But even though biggest good,
Speaker 2: I gotta say, mister r Aside, how you flow it up? Okay? Cool?
Speaker 3: I could never get it. That's crazy, of course, resting
Speaker 3: pieces of both style.
Speaker 4: By the way, mister Lee who writes the questions so
Speaker 4: won be bad at anybody with mister Lee.
Speaker 3: He was coffee, yeah, crazy, He's up all night for
Speaker 3: this right here, he was up all.
Speaker 5: Night all right, styles speed style, spear jadakiss.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. That's nasty.
Speaker 3: Both Yeah, okay, you got to kill him right on time.
Speaker 2: Let's get him over there, thank you.
Speaker 3: Is that the George Clooney ship he's so sold for
Speaker 3: like three hundred mill or something something crazy? God bread
Speaker 3: already yeah, God damn it.
Speaker 6: What you said?
Speaker 2: Water?
Speaker 3: Okay, cheers, there you go, cheers, all go a head
Speaker 3: you canna get this one?
Speaker 2: Oh you gotta drink when I say both.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I might have to pick the horse anyway, that's
Speaker 7: not that's not there.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pick anybody now. Now you might like that.
Speaker 3: He might want to get infrared across, infra red across.
Speaker 2: Mhm h. I would say as far as rapping wise
Speaker 2: infants more no infant, they both were good for inmphas
Speaker 2: A writer Cross is a rapper infants still you know infants,
Speaker 2: the one that wrote you know, profetial on the way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so Emphis more o a writed music wise all right
Speaker 2: dragon or Memphis Bleak. I gotta say drag man, I'm
Speaker 2: never going against nobody. You're wasting your talking about your
Speaker 2: friend about I'm good.
Speaker 5: With Yeah, I love that Rockefeller cash money.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, cheers, Okay, jay z or Nas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta say both, leave them the battle of anything.
Speaker 2: She got it. I mean she's gonna keep coming back.
Speaker 2: Give my nigga the battle.
Speaker 3: Your vacation anyway. Come on, whenever you leave New York's vacation,
Speaker 3: you can go to.
Speaker 4: Philadelphia still vacation to leave New York even missy oh, Eve,
Speaker 4: I just told you.
Speaker 2: He's gotta talk to you know, acting right now, like
Speaker 2: he don't know English right now, He's like, you know
Speaker 2: the thing.
Speaker 3: It's a good one.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, go ahead, Dame Greece a PK. That's a
Speaker 4: good one. You pick up to day Greece. Man, listen, man,
Speaker 4: you know liter enough props. Man, you are legend dream
Speaker 4: champs alumna and drink Chances alumna and also big up
Speaker 4: to PK two as well.
Speaker 3: Man, nice yes, man, like both of y'all.
Speaker 2: But see Greece. He came up with us first, right,
Speaker 2: p K came in lately. So we started off with
Speaker 2: Dame Greece. Yes, you Bacon Luck from our block on
Speaker 2: too nine. So we started with Dan Greece. So I
Speaker 2: gotta say Dan Greece and PK.
Speaker 4: But Dan Greece and I love seeing the Greece and
Speaker 4: French and Max back in the studio together. I love
Speaker 4: seeing that man. I love seeing the original get back
Speaker 4: to original regionality.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, it's dark and hell is hot or flesh
Speaker 3: of my flesh.
Speaker 2: I go with doking hell is. I did both of them.
Speaker 4: So did you say the same, Becau, you said the same?
Speaker 4: No doalking hell is SI get the album changed?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Changed life Domatic are ready to die?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm mm hmm. I'll go ready ready to die.
Speaker 2: Murder anchor Junior Mafia. That's an interesting matchup. Murder Inker
Speaker 2: Junior Mafia. I have to go murder inc I know them.
Speaker 2: I don't know nobody Mafia like that Big l or
Speaker 2: Big Pun Rest in peace? Both salute both day Yeah
Speaker 2: both God bless, God bless, God bless. That's what I said.
Speaker 3: Both cool Gie rap or slick right.
Speaker 2: Slick right for me back then? Could be cool gi rap?
Speaker 2: Could you rap? I like to cool you rap? Belly
Speaker 2: or juice Belly was in belly? Yeah, yep, there you
Speaker 2: fucking go.
Speaker 5: It's funny when you said that I could imagine X
Speaker 5: and Juice for some reason, when you you know, he wasn't,
Speaker 5: but all of a sudden, I could imagine him in Juice.
Speaker 2: I could I could imagine Juice.
Speaker 3: Rough Riders via one of rough Riders by him. Two.
Speaker 2: I'm probably confusing even Remember that's both, so it's both
Speaker 2: in either way we're drinking, I say both.
Speaker 5: Okay, you asked this one. Swiss beads are Timbaland you
Speaker 5: gotta scold mister leeve Man.
Speaker 2: Didn't know what that's like me ask you your mother
Speaker 2: on your poet. Look, Swiss is my nephew crazy? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Talking about yeah Swiss. Of course Timm it's Tim's. Timm
Speaker 2: is good too though, Timothy him and chemistry. But that's
Speaker 2: your blood. I gotta go with my blood. You're gonna
Speaker 2: go with your blood, right, talk to me right, answer
Speaker 2: that question. Move deeper, m O, p mom deep Okay,
Speaker 2: Dre Orrizza Dre. I did music with Dre. I'm going
Speaker 2: with people I worked with Dre before he don't me
Speaker 2: and working with with the projects I never really worked with.
Speaker 2: I'm only going by what I work with. Not that
Speaker 2: I got music wise, but Drey with that heavy dear
Speaker 2: biz Marquis, I gotta go with half. I know he
Speaker 2: rest in peace to both n w A or Wo
Speaker 2: Tank Clan. I gotta go Woo Tang clan. I know
Speaker 2: Wu Tank Memphis. My man just talked to him two
Speaker 2: days ago.
Speaker 3: All Right, No, the last one and this is the
Speaker 3: last one to get back into the interview. Loyalty or respect.
Speaker 9: I'm just gonna ask me that because yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 9: is our last Yeah for me, for me the life
Speaker 9: I lived.
Speaker 2: People, some people can say, lord to respect, you can't look,
Speaker 2: can't be loyal with something you don't respect. Let's be
Speaker 2: simple with it. I don't need your loyalty. If you
Speaker 2: don't respect me and respect me, then you can see
Speaker 2: if you respect me, you can act like you're fucking
Speaker 2: loyal to me. Anyway. I'll take the respect. I just
Speaker 2: it's like you're being layering me, but me telling you
Speaker 2: fuck you and talking to you crazy. I take the
Speaker 2: respect and the loyalty comes with that.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: That makes a noise that.
Speaker 2: Some ice.
Speaker 3: Now let's let's talk about block talk, most unique hit
Speaker 3: I've ever seen. You're right on the block.
Speaker 2: I gave you the joint.
Speaker 4: You're right on the block. You're kicking it. What made
Speaker 4: you think of something like that? And that's that's officially
Speaker 4: a podcast.
Speaker 2: Correct, that's a podcast. And I got like thirty episodes
Speaker 2: the Dope podcast, and I just it was a block.
Speaker 2: I just my block I'll be on. So you know,
Speaker 2: I go out there, and I really do it because
Speaker 2: I get to let the kids come up and see
Speaker 2: the artists and nigga just standing there. Everybody can just
Speaker 2: come out see different artists because a lot of people
Speaker 2: might not have money to go to do shows and
Speaker 2: go to concerts and stuff. So I bring the artist to.
Speaker 3: The block that's fire.
Speaker 2: So the kids can just sit there and get pictures
Speaker 2: and take autographs. And that's it. I mean, that's one
Speaker 2: of the main reasons I do it. Because it's open
Speaker 2: to the public. Anybody could come walk up and do
Speaker 2: whatever they want.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, so you you received the little black
Speaker 4: lash like how we received. Right, I'm gonna break it
Speaker 4: down for you. Whenever all artists come on here like
Speaker 4: we have. We had a Kodak black and Kodak They
Speaker 4: said that Kodak was a little high, right.
Speaker 3: They blamed us We had Kanye come up here, he
Speaker 3: wild out. They blamed us.
Speaker 4: So you had Baby come to your show and people
Speaker 4: said that baby was a little high.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say I can't say if he was high
Speaker 2: now because I wasn't there with him, So I'll say
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give him he was tired.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, there you go. That's I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
Speaker 4: Being on the media side, do you see do you
Speaker 4: see how how crazy that is, how guests could come
Speaker 4: It has nothing to do with you your hands, it's
Speaker 4: out of your hands. They're there on their own, but
Speaker 4: they blame you for it. Do you see how that
Speaker 4: ship is?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they blame but I don't even know it was
Speaker 2: blameing and he ain't blame me to my face.
Speaker 3: So right, types.
Speaker 2: I never even saying nothing. I don't pay attention to ship,
Speaker 2: all right. But but he was probably tired, you know,
Speaker 2: because what happened was I'm gonna say he was tired
Speaker 2: because they was on Tall. He was on Tall, and
Speaker 2: so he happened to come to my block because he
Speaker 2: was doing something in Jersey. He wasn't false, so he's like, yo,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come over and do the park. He came
Speaker 2: over to the block and he didn't. Then he went
Speaker 2: back to the concerts. They probably was tired.
Speaker 3: Yeah, baby, real like that too many?
Speaker 2: Maybe Kevin, all these there's twenty thirty years. I know
Speaker 2: I'm always the same, respect the same. I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: to say tired. I ain't gonna say.
Speaker 4: I respect that now. Being in this game as long
Speaker 4: as you've been in. Like me, I used to say
Speaker 4: I don't have regrets, but me I do. I do
Speaker 4: see that I could have played certain things better. Is
Speaker 4: there anything that you wish you would have did that
Speaker 4: you didn't do.
Speaker 2: But in the music?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, probably.
Speaker 6: Mm.
Speaker 2: I already know. I don't think about regrets too tough.
Speaker 2: For what's these things I did, I was able to
Speaker 2: pick them. You might have regret. I already don't regrets.
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe not regret.
Speaker 4: Maybe something you wish you would have done differently, Maybe
Speaker 4: not a regret.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we probably you know. For me, the main
Speaker 2: focus was that I probably would hope I could have
Speaker 2: got him some more help, but he was fighting against it.
Speaker 2: So I regret that I wasn't able to do because
Speaker 2: he's uncontrolla but I was nothing able to meet the
Speaker 2: men like I were one or two, because you know,
Speaker 2: I talked to him most of the time, all the
Speaker 2: way to the day he passed. But I regret that
Speaker 2: he couldn't change his you know, change his habits. I
Speaker 2: think that he was fighting against his things. Regret I
Speaker 2: couldn't save him from that.
Speaker 4: You know, the last two weeks of acts of life,
Speaker 4: prior to the last two weeks, huh, last six weeks,
Speaker 4: you know he was living out here, was every every day,
Speaker 4: like I've seen the difference. Like I would meet him,
Speaker 4: he would come on time, he would do you know,
Speaker 4: you got the worst reputation of being late, and he
Speaker 4: was coming on times. We were like, we were like, yo, yo,
Speaker 4: this is episode.
Speaker 3: He was like that's the best. He looked so healthy
Speaker 3: and happy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And you know what's crazy was he had never he
Speaker 4: had never met Benny the Butcher. So I had just
Speaker 4: posted a picture with me and X and Benning the
Speaker 4: Butcher had hit me and he and he was like,
Speaker 4: he was like, yo, I never met X and I
Speaker 4: did a song with X.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: He's like, is it okay that I pull up on y'all?
Speaker 4: I was like yeah, and beting the butcher pulled up.
Speaker 4: We all got pictures, we all did that. But then
Speaker 4: it was crazy because I think the next week after
Speaker 4: that act like yo, I'm going to Atlanta, and we
Speaker 4: was having so much fun. Like Lee said, it was
Speaker 4: six weeks leading up to that. We were together every day.
Speaker 4: So I was like having so so much fun. It's
Speaker 4: like your friend going going to summer campus stuff.
Speaker 2: I wanted to be like chill man.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be like, nah, man, don't go nowhere
Speaker 3: like chill.
Speaker 4: But you know, it was a grown man like and
Speaker 4: we and then he went to Atlanta and then that's
Speaker 4: when he went to New York and there was something
Speaker 4: about him going to New York.
Speaker 3: So let me let me flip and bounce it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was saying that to me. Yeah, so let me
Speaker 3: flip and bounce it. Right.
Speaker 4: IRV, who also passed away, God bless to Dad and
Speaker 4: recip peace acts as well. But it was a time
Speaker 4: where people were acts in the hospital, right, and IRV
Speaker 4: sends out a tweet or something, and there was rumors
Speaker 4: like all of y'all was mad at him because he
Speaker 4: had like over preached his ground.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: I think I think I remember you spoke. I think
Speaker 2: he spoke a little bit ahead. I had a situation
Speaker 2: that we was going through with X. Price spoke before
Speaker 2: we was want people to know the family was ready.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 3: You ever got to work that out with Earth.
Speaker 2: That's that's you know, you make mistakes. It's not like
Speaker 2: he's doing intentionally. Some people just that's just what they do.
Speaker 2: You know, he was grieving to as well, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean was close just talking about.
Speaker 5: How was how was the dynamic as ex as an
Speaker 5: artist and you guys being the label trying to put
Speaker 5: out these projects like I would imagine you guys.
Speaker 2: Would clash a lot, or would you not clash with X?
Speaker 3: Like trying to get things done every day.
Speaker 2: So it's like.
Speaker 3: It's hard to understand how y'all even got things done.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you how you got what the That's
Speaker 2: a good that's a good question. This is the tricky is.
Speaker 2: Remember I told you he had a selective memory, right,
Speaker 2: So I paid them for songs probably four years before
Speaker 2: we even did music. We didn't even know about music deals,
Speaker 2: and it was on the block, was out there husting.
Speaker 2: Don't we do what he would bring me around so
Speaker 2: all the time, and as long as you can remember
Speaker 2: a bar or two, nothing the whole song. Just say
Speaker 2: you remember that song. You'd be like, yeah, I remember
Speaker 2: the song, but I said, this the whole song, you
Speaker 2: go on the booth and late. That's how I was
Speaker 2: getting the songs. He already had them in his head already.
Speaker 2: He might write once in the Blue a song, but
Speaker 2: most of the rounds he would off the top of
Speaker 2: his head. If I just tell him a part of
Speaker 2: the round, he could say the whole round after that.
Speaker 2: So that's how I was able to get two albums
Speaker 2: in one year, because he had the rhums over it.
Speaker 2: There it's just been sitting around right then he just said.
Speaker 3: Did you'll ever get to the point where y'all like,
Speaker 3: I can't do this anymore?
Speaker 2: But what with X? Like working with them with each other? Never? Never?
Speaker 2: I mean X X wasn't no problem for us, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. We just was trying to save
Speaker 2: him and he had the problem. Yeah, he was the problem.
Speaker 2: We ain't the problem. We just had to save him.
Speaker 2: It was complicated. He didn't really worry about He wasn't
Speaker 2: stuck on material stuff. Same he ain't care about nothing
Speaker 2: that we gotta go to Grammy and he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll talk to him way over there and you gotta
Speaker 2: find him. And he trying to mister Grandwall twice. He
Speaker 2: mister Grammy twice and was one of the TV that
Speaker 2: getting awards. He's out there flying planes. He wasn't. He
Speaker 2: wasn't that type of person that cad the ball the thing.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I was in the week spot with him. Bro, I
Speaker 3: ain't gonna lie. Listen, I don't know whether he was
Speaker 3: there stay long with you. He definitely did.
Speaker 2: He did.
Speaker 4: But I went and I was like and I was like,
Speaker 4: I was just talking to him, and then I realized
Speaker 4: or the TV flash because it was like mtvs dm
Speaker 4: X and I'm looking like, wait a minute, nigga, you're
Speaker 4: supposed to be in the MTV Awards.
Speaker 3: He's like, you know, they would be in the.
Speaker 4: Crowd, like to say, to be a seat filler, like
Speaker 4: you nominated. Like he didn't give a fuck, bro, he
Speaker 4: didn't give a fuck. It was a spot right around
Speaker 4: k Slave's house. Real the sweeter God spreading all the
Speaker 4: world up.
Speaker 2: But what what what?
Speaker 4: I don't know, people don't like to do the what
Speaker 4: epis or whatever, but let's just just for lack of
Speaker 4: a better term, do you think Escas vibe in this
Speaker 4: day and time and his music.
Speaker 3: In this climate.
Speaker 2: I mean he's a true artist. So you know these people,
Speaker 2: some most is not true artists. You know, they get
Speaker 2: a good song and they make it from there. It's
Speaker 2: not like you know, he was able to deliver album. See,
Speaker 2: you don't got delivered. We had to give up fifteen
Speaker 2: sixteen songs per album his skits, that's eighteen songs. You know,
Speaker 2: he had to do all that. So he'd probably be
Speaker 2: able to make it because what you got to deliver
Speaker 2: four album right now? Ten songs eight songs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ten two minute thirty second songs.
Speaker 2: So he gets yeah, one album is two albums for us.
Speaker 5: Back then, Yeah, he probably would have just been been
Speaker 5: doing fine, just performing the music that he already had
Speaker 5: the catalog festivals, because.
Speaker 3: His performances were crazy. He was by himself on.
Speaker 2: Stage, but that was that was one of his strongest
Speaker 2: points that his performance, like he said, was he didn't
Speaker 2: even while here on the stage with him. It was
Speaker 2: it was it was his energy and his love for
Speaker 2: impassion for the music in the crowd. So he just
Speaker 2: knew how to do that. He mastered that already.
Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm bouncing around a little bit, right again,
Speaker 4: how much? How much do you think because like obviously
Speaker 4: rough Riders, we didn't know that it was a uh
Speaker 4: name of the black cowboys, right, we didn't know that, right,
Speaker 4: We know that it's just you know, rough, rough people
Speaker 4: and you know riders like riders, right. But then Eve
Speaker 4: comes and it brings like a so I don't want
Speaker 4: to say softens y'all up because it doesn't, but it
Speaker 4: brings a different caliber of people because after all, she's
Speaker 4: she's a pit bull in the skirt, but she is
Speaker 4: in a skirt, she is a female, So it brings
Speaker 4: a different audience, especially with the grin Stefani like kind
Speaker 4: of like kind of like brought that commercial ads to it.
Speaker 4: Did Did the company change because of that?
Speaker 2: No, she was she's a girl, pitbull in the skirt. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's still a dog now one of the boys. She's
Speaker 2: just a girl. We treated her. We ain't treat it
Speaker 2: no different, you know, she just she just was able
Speaker 2: some people able to blend in with the guys. And
Speaker 2: then get along with all the guys and they don't
Speaker 2: really bother us. So she was kind of brough. She
Speaker 2: comes from Philly, you know, they kind of brought over
Speaker 2: there as well, so she was she felt in placed.
Speaker 2: She know, she was good.
Speaker 4: I met her early and she was down with Dre.
Speaker 4: I did a record with her. Her name was Eve
Speaker 4: of Destruction. It was even Destruction, and I did a
Speaker 4: record for her. It was crazy because now I just
Speaker 4: did a record with Dre. I believe one of Dre's
Speaker 4: people hit me and that's why.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: And then we connected and and I flew flew the Philly.
Speaker 4: I drove to Philly and I did a record with her.
Speaker 4: Book this before.
Speaker 3: But all right, boom, we got Scarlet right now, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got Scarlet right now. I'm working I'm working
Speaker 2: on project now. We're working on on on her album
Speaker 2: out now. So we're okay. The cars cars. Scar's good.
Speaker 2: She's serious.
Speaker 4: She she belongs in the nineties, so bad man, Like yo,
Speaker 4: I'd be like yo, she belongs in our era, Like
Speaker 4: if you could just be wine time because she's so hard.
Speaker 3: I'm afraid she's like.
Speaker 4: She like belonging our era, Like you ever got to
Speaker 4: hear like she's like bah, She's like I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 4: Like I'm just I'm just this error is so moist
Speaker 4: and so so moist and nights. You know what I'm
Speaker 4: saying that I don't understand, Like like.
Speaker 3: She's so real. It's like damn, like like you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like she needs help.
Speaker 4: You need more real artists to come out because she's
Speaker 4: so dope.
Speaker 3: But like you know what I mean, Like I just
Speaker 3: feel like this era is so soft, Like you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 2: You know what her favorite artist is that she get
Speaker 2: out of here.
Speaker 3: I can tell that if you listen.
Speaker 2: To you, she sound put off from X like a
Speaker 2: delivery is idol artist is you're talking about Scarlet?
Speaker 3: Scarlet?
Speaker 2: Scarlet?
Speaker 3: Of course we've heard of Scarlet. Scarlet.
Speaker 4: We did.
Speaker 2: Did you do a monster thing?
Speaker 4: We did?
Speaker 5: We did?
Speaker 2: We did.
Speaker 3: Every time he said scarlet, I thought it was Scarlet
Speaker 3: that you were No, no, no, no, scar lit.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. I just talked to her before
Speaker 2: I got it. I just called up. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 2: see it.
Speaker 3: As to me, she's already established in my mind.
Speaker 4: Because she's she got the underground, she got the underground,
Speaker 4: she got she don't need no help on the underground,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? But you know that overall
Speaker 4: because it's like in these days, like you know, crazy
Speaker 4: Ship is like speaking about X, like like I've never
Speaker 4: seen X, like like do something that didn't look like X.
Speaker 3: But in this day and time, you have to like
Speaker 3: do something like like.
Speaker 4: Even with the loss, like I didn't know this tiny
Speaker 4: suits was was bad like nil they No, I didn't
Speaker 4: know it.
Speaker 2: I didn't know.
Speaker 3: Like I saw the show. I wanted to sign the suit.
Speaker 2: The rest of us like I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't get one.
Speaker 5: But I'm just saying, yeah, but want I want to
Speaker 5: get into that campaign about free the locks, Like me,
Speaker 5: that's a historic campaign. I know you talked about it
Speaker 5: a lot, but I mean, I want to just go
Speaker 5: over it again because I think it's a part of
Speaker 5: hip hop history at this point to get them off
Speaker 5: the label. And bad Boy was a strong label at
Speaker 5: that time. Puff is a strong force. How did how
Speaker 5: did that all.
Speaker 4: Body just run into bad Boy? They run to get
Speaker 4: How does that work? Like what happens there?
Speaker 2: See, they were signing the bad Boys at that time, right,
Speaker 2: so they wanted to get out. They didn't want to
Speaker 2: be there no more, no longer.
Speaker 3: Did you sign on the bad boy or they was
Speaker 3: signed a bad boy.
Speaker 2: They were signing the bad Boys. I had manager, remember, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: So they wound up getting to deal with bad Boy.
Speaker 2: They got to deal with bad Boy and she got
Speaker 2: to deal with bad Boy. But then they wanted off
Speaker 2: and Mace wanted to stay, you know, because he's good
Speaker 2: with the shiny shoes. He was good. They didn't. It
Speaker 2: wasn't comfortable. These guys were called the Warlocks. But we
Speaker 2: had wall, you know, so so they wanted out. You know,
Speaker 2: parf is pretty firm or not letting nobody out without
Speaker 2: getting his money or certain things. So he you know,
Speaker 2: you don't really let too many people out of the contracts.
Speaker 2: You just sit there and you're just burn. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: don't worry about We'll we'll come back and get you
Speaker 2: later ten years from now. But but but I had
Speaker 2: I had a relationship with Paul, and this is with
Speaker 2: a relationship, so I didn't even notice. So Pop's father
Speaker 2: and my father were best friends. Get out of here.
Speaker 2: So they grew up in Patterson in the Bronx. So
Speaker 2: they're from Patterson Projects. Some my pops called me and say, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, tell Papa I wanted to sit down and
Speaker 2: talk to me, So tell him about his father because
Speaker 2: father I got killed right street dude, Yeah, yeah, was
Speaker 2: the housel and they wound up murdering them. And my
Speaker 2: pap told me he wanted to speak to him, and
Speaker 2: I was his friend son, so I was like okay,
Speaker 2: And then me and him got close after that, and
Speaker 2: I was looking after puffing and make sure you're good
Speaker 2: and everything. So puff is really family technique right in
Speaker 2: that way.
Speaker 6: M didn't you have Mace and you gave it to
Speaker 6: Mace that both wanted the launch and you said, no,
Speaker 6: take this artist, and I mean DM MASI wanted like that,
Speaker 6: and Mace Mace.
Speaker 2: I gave him. I gave him. You know what, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I don't even think I had me signed. I think
Speaker 2: we just had him with us, and they all used
Speaker 2: to be in the studio with us, so we we
Speaker 2: we had to influence it get him sign and well
Speaker 2: we could have signed them. I said, you know what,
Speaker 2: I don't really know the business like that. We're just
Speaker 2: trying to figure it out, you know it. Here take
Speaker 2: them and our management. And then I learned the business
Speaker 2: as I'm going so I was able to go on
Speaker 2: tour do everything. So when I did get a deal
Speaker 2: for X, I already knew how to do everything about
Speaker 2: it took him. I wouldn't have got him as far
Speaker 2: as Puff got him.
Speaker 3: But but but still staying on that the Locks campaign.
Speaker 5: You had the relationship with Puff, but that campaign still
Speaker 5: went down and was saying free the Locks.
Speaker 3: I'm sure Puff didn't like the campaign.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't do the naice business. I can't
Speaker 2: tell them not to.
Speaker 4: Do what this is.
Speaker 2: So they did. That was their campaign. Yeah, I know
Speaker 2: if that's what they want to do, and that's want
Speaker 2: to help them get it is. See see me and
Speaker 2: Puff is good. Me and Puff business ain't good, but
Speaker 2: we're good. The business is not good because it ain't
Speaker 2: just himing like. It's just business. It's not personal. Yeah,
Speaker 2: other people involved Puff ain't thing they want to make
Speaker 2: an these decisions. It look like he is. But there's
Speaker 2: two three people over there. Tell them do it, do this,
Speaker 2: and so we got They gotta do what they gotta
Speaker 2: do to get where they gotta go. I can't sell them.
Speaker 2: Don't fight back. Do whatever you gotta do. Let's do
Speaker 2: whatever whatever it's gonna take to get them to move
Speaker 2: and get you off this and get to a better place.
Speaker 2: That's what we're gonna do. So that's it. Worn't gotten.
Speaker 3: Man, that was that was That was a time boy.
Speaker 3: That was the lock.
Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And did he actually let them go?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah without the money. It wasn't pretty. You ain't walking
Speaker 2: out the door. It's not like you're walking out the
Speaker 2: door and you're good. No, nigga, I'm gonna let him go.
Speaker 2: So I was like, he said, yeah, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let him go. Then when you know when
Speaker 2: people say I'm gonna let him go and you listen,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let him go. But the butt is what
Speaker 2: you want to hear. You don't want to don't worry
Speaker 2: about that of them go. We want to hit the butt.
Speaker 2: But I gotta get compensated. So I have to give
Speaker 2: him three million get him. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't think we knew that part of the story. No,
Speaker 3: I didn't know that part of the story. So damn.
Speaker 3: And then and then Jay erased X contract right yep.
Speaker 2: J J did an honorable move. And a lot of
Speaker 2: these things with relationship was it wasn't nothing to do
Speaker 2: with the ours. It was probably the relationship I had
Speaker 2: with them, Me and whole was good. We had a
Speaker 2: good report him and actually probably never even talked, but
Speaker 2: me and him had a good report. And I asked him,
Speaker 2: you know exers up there he had he was the
Speaker 2: president of death Cham full of the Yeah, I was
Speaker 2: as there. So he wanted to get out of there.
Speaker 2: He probably was in a hole for like eight million
Speaker 2: or four million, whatever it was, but he was in
Speaker 2: the big hole over here. So I went up there
Speaker 2: and I spoke to him one ding and I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, he should do me a favor. I don't
Speaker 2: want to be here no more. He's not comfortable. You
Speaker 2: prefer to see if he can just go somewhere else.
Speaker 2: He's like, all right, let me think about it. Calling
Speaker 2: back another time he came back, he said, all right,
Speaker 2: I know what to do. I'm gonna let him go
Speaker 2: on my wife out the whole day. He let him
Speaker 2: go and have to pay nothing. That's dope.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's dope. It's making nice.
Speaker 2: You got to get hold of his props on that.
Speaker 2: I don't know, nothing knows what I was doing, but
Speaker 2: I know that I always respect him for one thousand percent.
Speaker 4: It's a little bit while were you in this subject.
Speaker 4: I was, I was mentioning it earlier. Like me as
Speaker 4: a person, you know, I worked with y'all, but I
Speaker 4: was never like directly under a rough rider as a
Speaker 4: Rockefeller or whatever. But I know that when y'all was
Speaker 4: in power, Uh, when black CEOs, I would like to
Speaker 4: say that, I would like to say that black CEOs
Speaker 4: you they irv J Prince Shug Like when y'all was
Speaker 4: at the forefront, the music business seems a lot better.
Speaker 4: It seems a lot better when we have our people
Speaker 4: representing our people.
Speaker 3: Do you like since the.
Speaker 4: What is it called the missing, missing, missing version of
Speaker 4: of you know, the street ceo?
Speaker 3: What's my man named? Riggs?
Speaker 4: Riggs Morales, like Sam Cresco, like certain people Mike Kaiser
Speaker 4: even like you know what I mean, Like all of
Speaker 4: these CEOs is going and now it's like the industry
Speaker 4: is disposed.
Speaker 3: To do music. Do you think that was like purposely
Speaker 3: like no more.
Speaker 2: Hip hop CEOs, no more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think when I look at it, because I've
Speaker 2: seen the transition from from from here the corporate taking
Speaker 2: over another streets of most of the from the streets
Speaker 2: that was doing it before. Then they put corporate people
Speaker 2: to do it and they don't know nothing about the
Speaker 2: music and the culture. They're just getting jobs and checks.
Speaker 2: They learning how to work with us. And then so
Speaker 2: now they're begging on one hit. Wonder if they get
Speaker 2: a lucky song or maybe before we had to work
Speaker 2: this whole project all the way through from the streets,
Speaker 2: from the start, from the streets, so we know where
Speaker 2: we're going from here to there. We do we do
Speaker 2: fifteen songs. We picked three singles that we know we
Speaker 2: can bet our money on and that now you ain't
Speaker 2: got to do that. You know, they hoping they get
Speaker 2: one single and they good. They're trying to get more money.
Speaker 2: They happen to spend, you know, because they were spending
Speaker 2: a lot of money back then. But they're not recruit
Speaker 2: because the artists might not sell right, So they found
Speaker 2: out a way to get around spending a lot of money.
Speaker 3: So it was because because I remember, like and let's
Speaker 3: not forget right now.
Speaker 5: Also, the tech companies are like the record labels capital
Speaker 5: social media. But I'm saying like all social media or
Speaker 5: the Spotify there, it's all social media really at the
Speaker 5: end of the day, streaming and whether it be Spotify
Speaker 5: and Instagram, it's really all the same shit.
Speaker 2: It's all connected, you know, right right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fucked up. That's sucked up.
Speaker 4: But do you think getting rid of the Black CEO
Speaker 4: was a purpose thing? I'm sorry to ask you the
Speaker 4: question in a different way, but you think that was
Speaker 4: done on purpose or it's just evolution.
Speaker 2: They really can't get rid of us, you know, they
Speaker 2: just make it difficult for you. Yeah, so you can't
Speaker 2: get to a certain way, They put up roadblocks and
Speaker 2: make it difficult. And you know you are who you are,
Speaker 2: you know, you know I'm gonna CEO. I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: that until I say I don't want to be that.
Speaker 2: They can't stop me from being that. They can make
Speaker 2: it hard for you. And then what they did was
Speaker 2: just change the games. They started making things difficult for you,
Speaker 2: the artists and everybody else. And they just knew that
Speaker 2: because they wanted to keep a grip on it, because
Speaker 2: before they didn't have a grip because they had to
Speaker 2: pay us. See before they had to pay we saw X,
Speaker 2: Y and Z. When we need twenty million, you got
Speaker 2: to pay you that for the next situation because you
Speaker 2: just to the business now. So they had to figure
Speaker 2: out how can we do So that's when they say,
Speaker 2: you know what, You remember when they did this said,
Speaker 2: because we was from New York and we were selling
Speaker 2: it at the time the most and were making the
Speaker 2: most money. They knew that we understood the business after
Speaker 2: the while, so they couldn't give us a check for
Speaker 2: a million dollars. They know we need ten million because
Speaker 2: we know the numbers. Now you know the numbers, we understand.
Speaker 2: So they said, you know what, let's put them on freeze.
Speaker 2: Don't give them no work for a minute. They put
Speaker 2: New York on freeze, and we weren't able to do things.
Speaker 2: They went to the South and went over there and
Speaker 2: start bringing in a lot of self artists and different
Speaker 2: things and making it easier because they just wanted to
Speaker 2: get in the baby so they can cut them short
Speaker 2: and give them peanuts instead of giving us. They take
Speaker 2: that ten millionaires supposed to get us and probably could
Speaker 2: do half of the self There wasn't no problem because
Speaker 2: they wasn't really they just wanted to get in the game.
Speaker 2: And that's how they switched it because they know they
Speaker 2: froze a lot of New York artists for a minute.
Speaker 4: Makes a lot of sense. So, Okay, what the I'm
Speaker 4: about to say? Okay, you something I forgot what I
Speaker 4: was about to say.
Speaker 3: I want to remember it.
Speaker 2: Oh the story about the J Store on the.
Speaker 3: Fifth or what the J and DMX battle? No Jay,
Speaker 3: the story this story? Oh I know what I was
Speaker 3: about to say. Hold on, remember that. Remember that. Remember
Speaker 3: that you was around.
Speaker 4: During the greatest time of hip hop and now you
Speaker 4: I don't know if you you cut on your social media.
Speaker 4: Now when you come your social media, you see day
Speaker 4: this and k like never in a million years, like
Speaker 4: I still think this is ai. I still think like
Speaker 4: like somebody be like, hey, I was fooling you all
Speaker 4: this whole time. Like I still feel like that because
Speaker 4: I just can't believe it. Like and I remember them,
Speaker 4: like I remember them three being inseparable, Bigs day and
Speaker 4: And let me tell you something that I've probably never
Speaker 4: said this. You know, I asked a couple of times, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, Biggs, Biggs, Biggs manage drink Champs. I mean,
Speaker 4: and I've asked Biggs and I've asked Jay like a
Speaker 4: few times that I've been around them and they have
Speaker 4: nothing bad to say about Dame.
Speaker 3: I swear to God, they don't have nothing bad about him. Bro,
Speaker 3: I swear to God.
Speaker 4: But it is did you did you ever think that
Speaker 4: you would have to put on your phone and see
Speaker 4: that Dame dashes.
Speaker 3: This is Jay.
Speaker 2: Now they remember, like you said, they was close. They
Speaker 2: was Damon Biggs and it was there was you know,
Speaker 2: there was a team. So you know, people get older,
Speaker 2: they grow up and and things happen, you know, so
Speaker 2: whole went this way, Dame went that way, Bigs went
Speaker 2: whenever way he went. But they're still probably good. But
Speaker 2: in the eyes of the people in social media, so
Speaker 2: like you said, they can make a lot of things
Speaker 2: and say things. I think Dame is doing it for
Speaker 2: potention and different things. I don't think. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: not like I hate you. It's just it's working for him.
Speaker 2: People are watching them and he understands how this worked.
Speaker 4: Now, because I see you on Queen's flip, I believe
Speaker 4: and I believe he asked you the same question, or
Speaker 4: how did the problems start?
Speaker 3: And you were alluded. You didn't say definitely, but he
Speaker 3: said it might have been a leah.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: That was something that I had found out way later
Speaker 2: because he was dating Leah. I think Dane was Danty.
Speaker 2: Anytime you're doing shit like that, so it's gonna go wrong.
Speaker 2: So I don't even know why they did that. Anyway,
Speaker 2: that's stupid ship, you know, Like that's like me dating
Speaker 2: your girl and me daying your girl. I know you,
Speaker 2: you know, because something is bound to go wrong one
Speaker 2: way or another. I don't care how you do it.
Speaker 2: It just ain't gonna it ain't gonna it ain't gonna right.
Speaker 2: And then you can build up in in the mansity
Speaker 2: even though I fuck with you, but he can't say
Speaker 2: what he really want to say because it's gonna discredit
Speaker 2: I can't say it all right.
Speaker 3: So what is the future of rough Riders right now?
Speaker 2: Well, I let my brother. My brother's handling most of
Speaker 2: the rough rid of stuff. I'm focusing more on the
Speaker 2: block talk stuff and just doing that and working with
Speaker 2: I'm working in a scar project. Me and Swiss is
Speaker 2: working that project. So I'm about to put our her album.
Speaker 2: We just picked out some songs last thing. I had
Speaker 2: to pick out about six songs just to give to
Speaker 2: them to work. But I'm working on the Call album
Speaker 2: right now. In the block talk interviews and whatever else
Speaker 2: coming after that, and a series we're getting ready to shoot.
Speaker 2: So we got a couple of things.
Speaker 3: The series, like an act in our series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a series that I'm shooting, just our path
Speaker 2: of coming up, our lives and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely, I'm already to Netlix. I'm ready.
Speaker 4: I already see it on Netflix, on Amazon Prime or
Speaker 4: some Hell. Yeah, that's that's a mean story to tell, you.
Speaker 2: Know what, because the story for us is that we
Speaker 2: really lived it like a lot of people didn't do it.
Speaker 2: We can do a lot of things to get there
Speaker 2: and get here and to be able to get there,
Speaker 2: Like when we did music, we didn't come in the
Speaker 2: game for money to get do We had money. We
Speaker 2: came in with money, so we probably spent money just
Speaker 2: to get in. But it was safer for any longevity
Speaker 2: for us to transition over from the streets to doing
Speaker 2: something legal. That's why we're still here right now. Other
Speaker 2: than that, we probably be dead on in jail because
Speaker 2: that's where everybody goes. If you don't make that transition.
Speaker 2: You have to make a transition. You got to know
Speaker 2: when to say okay, that's enough, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 2: do something different. So we started doing the music and
Speaker 2: that's what worked for us. So y'all did it big? Yes?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 2: Hell yeah.
Speaker 3: I want to say one more thing.
Speaker 4: I see twining here right, and it's when his his
Speaker 4: his his brother had passed away. But before he passed away,
Speaker 4: it's when uh, when a Tacko spot, right, it's when
Speaker 4: he had got hip hop car. He didn't pass away
Speaker 4: from this right right. So I never go to that
Speaker 4: Tago spot, just even though the Tagle spot got nothing
Speaker 4: to do with it. And like when I heard that
Speaker 4: you had your accident, right on on on that sh
Speaker 4: that's what it's a motorcycle with. I have never got
Speaker 4: three wheeling. I take it out of all the motherfuckers.
Speaker 4: I have never gotten one of those. Whenever I see
Speaker 4: somebody with one of those, always be like, nah, fuck that,
Speaker 4: And I always take it out on them because of you.
Speaker 2: You know what's so crazy, because they don't have t
Speaker 2: Rexes in New York when they first came out back then, right,
Speaker 2: so I was in my I was here, Oh wow,
Speaker 2: they had them here first. I brought from here. I
Speaker 2: brought them t Rexes from Miami. I still see, so
Speaker 2: I was the first one with them t rexes in
Speaker 2: New York. But I seen him here first. I was
Speaker 2: doing something here and I seen him right and I
Speaker 2: was where the fucking I went over to the show.
Speaker 2: I bought about three of them and flew into New York.
Speaker 2: And that's why we got the tvxes in New York.
Speaker 2: That was fifteen twenty years ago.
Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, and they did it? Was that legal in
Speaker 3: New York at that time?
Speaker 2: Or no?
Speaker 3: No, I did none of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mind saying yeah, because it was. It was pretty good.
Speaker 2: There was fast, and they just looked at it. I
Speaker 2: got him from our head or they was from here.
Speaker 2: The originally came from here.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 3: See the multi Yeah, people driving and I gotta thank you.
Speaker 3: I gotta thank you. I gotta thank you.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember this, but before X
Speaker 4: started going to Arizona, I used to have a lot
Speaker 4: of shows at Arizona because you know, I'm half Puerto Rican,
Speaker 4: so I said always, you know, I always like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: Latino shows out there. So one day Puerto Rican in
Speaker 4: Arizona and the promoter is like, hey man, like he
Speaker 4: shorted me on like two to two grand.
Speaker 3: It was nothing crazy, and for some reason you called me?
Speaker 2: Right, I called you.
Speaker 3: I don't know what was happening, and he.
Speaker 4: Was like, yo you I And I was like, nah, man,
Speaker 4: it's you know. This promoter just like kind of shorteded me.
Speaker 4: And you were like where are you at? And I
Speaker 4: was like, Arizona. I believe it's Arizona. Could have been you,
Speaker 4: but I believe it's Arizona. In ten minutes, you had
Speaker 4: like fifteen from.
Speaker 3: The motors that fround that two thousand dollars. I was like,
Speaker 3: I've never even to say. And that's what I really realized.
Speaker 3: I really realized.
Speaker 4: I was like, yo, Rough Riders is a fucking big conglomerate.
Speaker 2: Like this is not no Bronx.
Speaker 4: Shit is not the youngest ship. This is some crazy ship.
Speaker 4: Like I forget why we was on the phone, but
Speaker 4: you was like you heard it in my voice. You
Speaker 4: was like, man, watch this, Nori. And so I always
Speaker 4: I always wanted to thank you for that.
Speaker 2: Business.
Speaker 3: Yeah, having them, see, that's that's service business.
Speaker 4: So so all right, how about tech? Are you messing
Speaker 4: with the what is this? This this, these these apps
Speaker 4: and all this crazy ship?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 4: Uh the soundclouds and uh, how do how do they
Speaker 4: get music? Out nowadays the DSPs. Yeah you got to Spotify.
Speaker 5: Is you got the empires that do the digital distribution,
Speaker 5: you got all the yeah, Amazon Music, it's all it's
Speaker 5: all DSPs.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just found that out doing three point nine million
Speaker 4: a month on Spotify.
Speaker 5: I ain't see nothing, remember what snoop sets. That's the difference.
Speaker 5: That's a big difference. Now the music is all free.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you what your time right now, I can get
Speaker 2: it in and give it them right, So it's impossible
Speaker 2: for you to stop it. It's like almost impossible.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm in.
Speaker 4: A seesaw because on one hand, Leo told me it's
Speaker 4: like it's the best time to put out music because
Speaker 4: it's so cheap, like meaning like you could just make
Speaker 4: the ship in your your house and just throw it out.
Speaker 3: You don't have to really do a photo shoot, you
Speaker 3: don't have to really art, is true? Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, souse the next party told.
Speaker 3: You the next part is is what he just said.
Speaker 4: It's just like like are we going to like just
Speaker 4: just just keep being disposable music or like you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, that's what.
Speaker 3: It is is became disposable. That's the problem. And then
Speaker 3: when anybody can make it. That means it's oversaturation.
Speaker 2: Over like you said, oversaturation, because see before, you have
Speaker 2: to have money to make it. Back then, yesn't just
Speaker 2: go in your room and brom on the mic and
Speaker 2: then put it out. They can go in their room
Speaker 2: and twe can put it out. You didn't have that
Speaker 2: access before. You have to have a budget. You still
Speaker 2: have to go through the proper process of getting the
Speaker 2: budget videos or they can shoot their own videos, make
Speaker 2: their own music. They could do that in their room,
Speaker 2: in their room and have a video off tonight. So
Speaker 2: like it's oversaturated's too many videos, it's too easy. Don't
Speaker 2: cost some nothing. See back then, you have to have money.
Speaker 2: You have to have a budget. So you ain't putting
Speaker 2: no album out, You ain't doing no music or anything.
Speaker 2: Now you can do it in your house and do
Speaker 2: it and put it out tonight.
Speaker 5: And you see what you saw. I don't know if
Speaker 5: you guys saw what They just came out with a
Speaker 5: report that you know, the poly market ship. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: motherfuckers were betting on polymarket about songs in the top
Speaker 5: ten and bill Yeah, and then they were they were
Speaker 5: paying bots.
Speaker 3: On Spotify to Netflix and they I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean I just saw news report about it and
Speaker 5: they and they were paying bots to get it on
Speaker 5: Billboard and then they were they were betting on it
Speaker 5: on polymarket.
Speaker 3: So it's all rigged in that sense.
Speaker 5: So so the thing is is, yeah, you want it
Speaker 5: easy to to to be a creative, but I think
Speaker 5: real artists will find the way to get their regardless.
Speaker 5: But what you got is a bunch of people who
Speaker 5: ain't real artists flooding the market and it's hard to
Speaker 5: see the real art.
Speaker 2: Because it's not fake artists. And right, so now you
Speaker 2: can't even tell the difference. So now you got so
Speaker 2: much fake artists, you stop picking fake.
Speaker 5: Artists, and the algorithms what's telling you know this is
Speaker 5: what's popping. And we just find it out they're rigging
Speaker 5: that too. They they they paying the bots. So I
Speaker 5: made say you ship, and they line about they floss
Speaker 5: in with all this fake ship like pretending like they're
Speaker 5: making bread.
Speaker 4: They be even betting on Donald Trump's speeches, like if Donald.
Speaker 5: That's the probaly, they've bet on everything, They've been on everything.
Speaker 4: So so d God comes down, right, and God says, yeah,
Speaker 4: God comes down to.
Speaker 3: Speak to you down. Yeah, I tell you. He comes
Speaker 3: to speak to you, right, and he says, d.
Speaker 4: I want you to make one record for me, right,
Speaker 4: I want you to go in. You to pick the producer,
Speaker 4: and you to pick the artist. You picked the producer,
Speaker 4: you picked the artist, and and it could be a
Speaker 4: feature artist. And that feature artist can be alive or Dad.
Speaker 4: Who are the two artists you pick him to be
Speaker 4: on that record? And who who is the producer that's
Speaker 4: gonna produce that record?
Speaker 2: If I had to pick one song that you have
Speaker 2: to do, yeah, you have to do it. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say, I'm gonna say Swiss nuts. I know, I know,
Speaker 2: I know Swisses beats, and I know how to work acts. See,
Speaker 2: he don't got to make the hits. I make the
Speaker 2: hits for him. I'm gonna know what to tell him
Speaker 2: to say say this, that, do that. So we were
Speaker 2: kind of like it's a chemistry with music. Like he's
Speaker 2: not an ax, wasn't a worker. You just have to
Speaker 2: be chemistry with him.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: I had a good chemistry with him. He trusted you,
Speaker 2: really the important for he trusted me, and I just
Speaker 2: knew how to work the project. You got to know
Speaker 2: how to work a project. It's not just it's a
Speaker 2: project now, So you got to look at it like
Speaker 2: you pretty much when you're dealing with artists. You got
Speaker 2: to get into the world and now you got to
Speaker 2: know who you're dealing with and know the ins and
Speaker 2: out on who you're working so you can come out
Speaker 2: with a good album. I don't got to if it's
Speaker 2: too difficult for me. I say, you know what, no,
Speaker 2: you look do this. I need to do this to
Speaker 2: give me the beat. That's a good beat. Boom, put
Speaker 2: a hook on the head. Just run him on it,
Speaker 2: you know, so you give him sometimes you got to
Speaker 2: give him, give him a hit. But the beat is
Speaker 2: basically a hit. The hit is basically the beat and
Speaker 2: the hook. What you say of that, you can make
Speaker 2: it work. But I already got to beating the hook.
Speaker 2: I'm seventy five percent good. I just need you to
Speaker 2: do your part. Now you're only gonna do eight balls.
Speaker 2: That's nothing. That's that's what.
Speaker 3: That's what's up. Who's easier to work with? Is it
Speaker 3: guys or girls?
Speaker 2: Guys?
Speaker 3: Guys?
Speaker 2: Guys girls girls they.
Speaker 3: Don't need no make up, at least some of them.
Speaker 2: Guys, it's easier for me because I work with more
Speaker 2: guys than girls, Like I might go one girl out
Speaker 2: of tennis, So I gotta be easier for me to
Speaker 2: work with guys because girls, I don't get to work
Speaker 2: with that many girls. If I get one, it'll be
Speaker 2: just one girl with five guys I gotta work with.
Speaker 2: So it's easier for me to work with them. Plus,
Speaker 2: I gonna talk to gods. How if I want, I
Speaker 2: gotta I gotta bend to the Look. Oh, you know, nigga,
Speaker 2: I just told you so guys I gotta talked to
Speaker 2: I want girls. I gotta curve it a little bit,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 3: You You ever got to meet Michael Jackson the Prince? No,
Speaker 3: thanks to me, we met Prince.
Speaker 2: I think we married and met Prince. I don't think
Speaker 2: I will. Well, Mike was Mike. Michael Jackson was in
Speaker 2: the studio that we was in, which was in Sony
Speaker 2: on fifty four fifty four. He was in the room,
Speaker 2: but you know, he was in that room. We was
Speaker 2: in this room, but he was in there, but we
Speaker 2: didn't really go in there to meet him. But he
Speaker 2: was in the room, but he was in the same studio.
Speaker 2: But I ain't talked to him personally.
Speaker 3: Was anything else. I think I think we wrapped it up.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: You ain't got you ain't got a block Talk shirt,
Speaker 3: you ain't got a shirt ship.
Speaker 2: I just get him the hot Yeah, yeah, yeah, come on, yeah.
Speaker 3: That was dope.
Speaker 2: That was dope. We gotta take a picture.
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