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Speaker 1: You know what that looks like?

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Speaker 1: That looks like almost as if the end of the barrel,

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Speaker 1: a term I like to use quite a bit is

431
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: the term menacing, and menacing is an element of domestic violence.

432
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: And whence if you've ever been menaced in your life,

433
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: and what that means is it's a threat, but it's

434
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: more than a threat. It's like, you know, people can

435
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: menace you with their eyes, with their words, but they

436
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: can also menace you with weapons that can display it

437
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: to you, that can shove it in your face and

438
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And Dave, they're locked up in

439
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: this in this car together for a protracted period of time.

440
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: It was apparently an hour. Okay, that's what we're getting

441
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: from what miss what Chelsea Rivers is telling police about

442
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 2: the beating, and as they put the information together from

443
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,719
Speaker 2: Lauren the timetable from when they left the bar. I mean,

444
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: all of these things coming together an hour straight of beating.

445
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: And that's why the charges included kidnapping and not allowing

446
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: we're to leave in coercion and a few other things.

447
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: Because you've got her phone from her, see he acts

448
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: was able to get control of her phone where she

449
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: was trying to call nine one one, trying to call

450
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: for help. She said that she was screaming once they

451
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: got parked. She was screaming at passing cars, hoping somebody

452
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: would hear her screaming. And it was during one of

453
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: those calls to his mother when Chelsea Rivers called his

454
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: phone that you know, I can imagine him saying, hey,

455
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: shut up, I'm talking to my mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

456
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: you know. And then and so when police arrive and

457
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: they see her, they see the foggy windows, and as

458
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: they approach, she has the ability to get away because

459
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: he's now afraid because real men showed up. Wait a minute, yeah,

460
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,959
Speaker 2: because this real guy is beating up a girl, and

461
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: now these cops show up immediately, his demeanor has to change. Oh,

462
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: it's all her fault. She was scratching me, she was

463
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: threatening me. What did the police see inside that car

464
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: in terms of blood because they said it was a

465
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: bloody mess. Are we talking cast off because it's very tight?

466
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: No? No, no, you're you're right, it's going to be

467
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: the Yeah. And here we have an event where someone

468
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: is you know me cases we talk about on body

469
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: backs or things that happen after death. Okay, Now this

470
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: is a dynamic event. This is her trying to shield herself.

471
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 1: And one of the things we cannot pick up on

472
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: in the imagery that we have right now. I bet

473
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: you dollars to donuts right now, if we had, if

474
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: they had, if we could go back in time and

475
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: take a look at her arms, I guarantee you, my friend,

476
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: that we would see contusions on her arms where she

477
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: was blocking or attempting to block. And of course, anytime

478
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: you block somebody like this that's in this state of mind,

479
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: that just infuriates them even more. It drives that temperature higher.

480
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: And Dave, you know, looking at Lauren, and she's a

481
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: little video thing. I mean, she ain't big as a minute.

482
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: She's diminutive. And I'm glad you brought that up about

483
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: the real men showing up here, because you know what

484
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: type of man using air quotes here, as Nancy always says,

485
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: what type of man beats down a tiny, little willowy

486
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: woman like this and can actually feel good about it.

487
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: I guess at some point in time, somebody will stand

488
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: up and say, well, you don't understand still, waters run deep.

489
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: He had a lot going on, But I do know this.

490
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: I do know this. It's as a result of not

491
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: just his actions, but also the actions of that judge

492
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: up there in Nashville who allowed him out of jail,

493
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: and somebody that had created arguably one of the most

494
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: horrific scenes that you can possibly imagine as an investigator.

495
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: She allowed him to leave custody, to leave custody, he

496
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: was not they were that bond. His mother met it.

497
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: And it's at that point in time I think I

498
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 1: think that Lauren's fate was sealed. Holy smokes, you know

499
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this, David. I'm thinking, you know, there

500
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: are certain times when we can't take the measure. I

501
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: think of the decisions that the judiciary makes so many times,

502
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: you know, you want so desperately to grab somebody in

503
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: one of those black robes and drag them out to

504
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: emergency rooms, into crime scenes and to see the weeping

505
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: parents and have them visually see what's going on, because

506
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: it's and look, I know, justice is blind, and you

507
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 1: can tell me that all day long. I've stood over

508
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: too many dead victims over the course of my career

509
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: and over the course of what I've done in the

510
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: media to simply take that and say, okay, well we'll

511
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: just move on. No, no, no, no. It's something like this

512
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: where you witness what happened and then you see the

513
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: end result. Here, I don't understand, we've got this.

514
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: How do we go from in jail, locked up in Nashville,

515
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: I don't know, six months later being dead?

516
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: Being dead? Yeah, And the next thing we know, you know,

517
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: they're popping up on the radar down Mississippi and what's

518
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: going on? What's going on that he's now walking the

519
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: streets and he's not only had this is the thing.

520
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: Not only is he walking the streets, he's walking streets

521
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: in Mississippi. He's not walk in the streets in Nashville.

522
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: Man, Yep, you know Joe, I'm gonna give you a

523
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: very quick thumbnail sketch of the timetable between December eleventh,

524
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: when Bryson Rivers is arrested for nearly killing Lauren Johanson

525
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: by beating her in their car in Nashville, to the

526
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: time he gets out of jail on June twenty eighth.

527
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: See when doctor Johanson was with Lauren in Nashville. They

528
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 2: expected the bond of two hundred and fifty one thousand

529
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: dollars to keep Bryson Rivers in jail until the case

530
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 2: went to court. At that point they were hoping to

531
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 2: get a conviction and have him sentenced for up to

532
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: life in prison for nearly killing her. But that's not

533
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: what happened. Bryson Rivers attorney was able to get a

534
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 2: judge to lower his bond from two hundred and fifty

535
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: one thousand to one hundred and fifty thousand. Judge Cheryl

536
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: Blackburn in Nashville lowered it. That meant his mother, Bryson

537
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: Rivers mother only had to come up with fifteen grand

538
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: to get him out, and she did. He was released

539
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: and there were a number of conditions that applied to

540
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: his release from jail. He didn't abide by any of them.

541
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: So well. Doctor Johnson, Lauren's father, wrote this on go

542
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: Fun to Me about when Bryson Rivers got out of

543
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 2: jail on the twenty eighth. He said, early Tuesday morning, Kaylin,

544
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: by the way, Kaylin is Lauren's sister, and they were

545
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: living together in Mississippi, and Kylen found the front door open.

546
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: Her cats were outside in the front yard. Lauren was gone.

547
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: A security camera had been ripped off the house, and

548
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: doctor Johanson said that Lauren's life three point sixty was

549
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: cut off at four one am. So the thought is

550
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: that Bryson Rivers kidnapped Lauren that morning at four oh

551
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 2: one am. She was reported missing right away to the

552
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 2: police two separate times. Doctor Johansson said, I called and

553
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: talked to anyone and everyone who would listen and help

554
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: me find her. The next day we found her car

555
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 2: and Bryson ran from the car. Now let me give

556
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: you this very quickly here because second is the day

557
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: they believe Lauren was killed. It was Wednesday, July third.

558
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: Hattiesburg Police Department used on Star. They couldn't find where

559
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: Lauren was. They knew that Bryson Rivers probably had her.

560
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: They knew that his UH monitoring ankle Brasil wasn't working

561
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: and they couldn't find him well. On Star was able

562
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 2: to track Lauren Johansson's car. They located in July third

563
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: at Wolf River Cemetery. Think about that, it's in a cemetery.

564
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: Hattiesburg Police Department requests the Sheriff's Department's help in conducting

565
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: a welfare check at that location. As deputies find the

566
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: car in the cemetery, Bryson Rivers is in the car,

567
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: He gets out and Bryson Rivers runs away from the

568
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 2: car into the woods. When they get to the car

569
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: and doctor Johansson is with the medical examiner when they

570
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: found her body in her own car, wrapped in trash

571
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: bags and sheets. Lauren's father, doctor Lance Johansson, said this,

572
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 2: I knew she was dead when we got there. Her

573
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: car was in the middle of the cemetery and she

574
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: was in the back of the car, wrapped up in

575
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: sheets and trash bags. She was basically beaten to death.

576
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: Her face was smashed in, her head was smashed in.

577
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: She was brutally beaten to the point she couldn't see

578
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: out of either eye. When she finally died and there

579
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: were multiple holes in her head. I helped the coroner

580
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: lift her body out of the car. It was just mutilated.

581
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: That was doctor Lance Johansson talking about his daughter Lauren

582
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 2: and finding her body.

583
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: Dave, I'm going to give you one word here that

584
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: issued forth from doctor Johansson's lips. Mutilated. Let that sink

585
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: in just for a second. Mutilated. Now, when she was

586
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: found in her car, by the way, her body was

587
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: wrapped in sheets and plastic. She's lying there in that car,

588
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: and her daddy is the one that actually found her

589
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: in this state, I'm you know, I think that I

590
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: could say that words fail me, but they really don't.

591
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 1: There's a way to describe this. I think failure. Failure

592
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: is the biggest one. But here's the thing we have

593
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: to reflect back on here because this this is all

594
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: going to play out in court relative to him. And

595
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about back to things that I've heard Nancy

596
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: Gray say over the over the years where they talk

597
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: about you can't use you can't use prior bad acts

598
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: in a case to to impugne the person. And I

599
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: really wonder how all of this is going to come

600
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 1: into play, because you know, it's like the old poem.

601
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: You know, for the want of a nail, a horseshoe

602
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: was lost, for the one of the horseshoe, you know,

603
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: horse was lost, so forth and so on. If it

604
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 1: wasn't for that one thing back in time, the fatal

605
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: event would not have occurred here. And of course Rivers

606
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: uses the same methodology with her. He beats her to death.

607
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: He actually has a pistol with him. Now, this is

608
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: this is an individual who has been accused of arguably

609
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: one of the most horrific things you can be accused

610
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: of period. Where a weapon was previously involved, a handgun.

611
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: Now he's got his hands on another weapon. And not

612
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: only that, he's planned this out. He knows And I

613
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: have to back up here and say that her she

614
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: was domiciled currently. You know, she was a college student.

615
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: She's going to University of Southern Mississippi. That's in Hattiesburg.

616
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: Now that's due north of Gulfport. So she was there

617
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: with her sisters. He was familiar with this property, familiar

618
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 1: enough to the point where he had disabled the security cameras.

619
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: He's familiar enough with the property to know where she

620
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: slept inside of this environment.

621
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: We know that her dad I'd helped find her body.

622
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: You mentioned sheets, back, trash bags, he mentioned mutilated. What

623
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: kind of injuries are we talking about? Because she hadn't

624
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 2: fully recovered. I mentioned this before we started taping, having

625
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: had a couple of head injuries in my life. I

626
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: know that my last concussion, I didn't really feel good

627
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: about driving no for almost a year. Yeah, and she

628
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: had serious She was beaten so bad in December, Joe,

629
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: that she couldn't have been fully recovered. Now by the

630
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: time this takes place six months later, there.

631
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: Is no way in God's green earth that she would

632
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: have been to the point where she was able to

633
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: really handle life in the way that she would have

634
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: prior to that. And she would have there still would

635
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,959
Speaker 1: have been evidences there, right, she's still injured, Oh my gosh. Yeah.

636
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: And the thing about it is one of the things

637
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: that we do in forensics is that we have this

638
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: kind of layering of injuries when and again back to

639
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: this idea of chronic abuse. You see this with children

640
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: with like chronic cases of child abuse, where you'll have

641
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: these overlapping injuries that occur over a period of time.

642
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: And let me tell you something, if somebody gets let's see,

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Speaker 1: how can I phrase this If somebody gets to the

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Speaker 1: point where they're going to go out of town with

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Speaker 1: you and beat you to the extent that he beat her.

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Speaker 1: This ain't his first rodeo. He's put hands on her before,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know, I don't know to what degree,

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Speaker 1: and maybe some of that will come out. He's harmed

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Speaker 1: her before. I have no doubt in my mind, just

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Speaker 1: knowing what I know about cases like this.

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Speaker 2: Her dad said, Stockholm syndrome, Joe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that she you know, this person that is

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Speaker 1: pretty wicked.

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Speaker 2: I'd have to.

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Speaker 1: Say, for some reason, she feels compelled to protect him,

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Speaker 1: to still stay within that circle, within their little confined

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Speaker 1: space where she's you know, he can lrd over her

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Speaker 1: at any moment time that he wants to. And also

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Speaker 1: taking that to to a more intense level, he feels

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Speaker 1: like that he can put his hands on her to

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Speaker 1: any degree that he wants to. He had there was

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Speaker 1: no shame in him leaving Nashville to come back down

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Speaker 1: south to Gulfport Hattiesburg, that area that she that she uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, that they lived in where they both had

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Speaker 1: a life. He felt no shame in that he's going

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Speaker 1: to return to it. So he feels very comfortable, apparently

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Speaker 1: in this environment, doing what he has done to this

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Speaker 1: poor young lady that had such a bright future. But Dave,

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Speaker 1: I got to tell you something here, and in this case,

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Speaker 1: I I came across something that I in all of

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Speaker 1: my years in forensics and as a medical legal death investigator,

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Speaker 1: I never encountered on street ever. And it's a statement

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Speaker 1: that doctor Johansson made. Not only did he use the

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Speaker 1: word mutilated, Dave, but he also revealed something else. He

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Speaker 1: helped helped the corner remove his precious baby's body from

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Speaker 1: that car. He helped with that. Now I go on

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Speaker 1: and on about the value of evidence, I talk about

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Speaker 1: the cards principles, I talk about all of these issues

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Speaker 1: in forensics, and just for a moment, we have to

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Speaker 1: consider that, aside from the science, that there is horror

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Speaker 1: here that none of us can appreciate. Doctor Johnson can

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Speaker 1: because not only did he bear witness to this slow

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Speaker 1: motion train wreck where he sat there helpless, probably hopeless,

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Speaker 1: he was there to view where her life terminated and

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Speaker 1: how she was treated in death. I'm Josephcott Morgan, and

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Speaker 1: this is body backs