1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm George Nori and welcome to the new I 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Heart Media and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: Like us on Facebook, tell your friends and share us 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: with everyone. This is an exciting new network that will 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: I'll sit back, please and enjoy Strange Things with Joshua P. Warren. 7 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: Get ready to be amazed like a wizard of Weird. 8 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: This is Strange Things with Joshua Warren. I am Joshua 9 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: BE Warren. And each week on this show, I'll be 10 00:00:55,320 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 1: bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news, exercises, and 11 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: weird experiments you can do at home, and a lot more. 12 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: And on this edition of the show, one of the 13 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: strangest phenomena we can possibly talk about the Mandela Effect. 14 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: Those of you who know what that is are like, 15 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: oh yeah, this is gonna be good. If you've never 16 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,919 Speaker 1: heard of the Mandela Effect, by the end of this show, 17 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: you're going to be scratching your brain. And I'm bringing 18 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: this up right now because I have some breaking news 19 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: for you. You were the first to hear this. I 20 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: just received a report from the field from people who 21 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: contacted me who just experienced the Los Vegas time warp 22 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: and and I call it the Vegas Interstate Time anomaly 23 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: or VISTA. This is something that I actually, quote unquote discovered, 24 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: But it turns out what I discovered fits into a 25 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: much larger series of experiences that people have been having 26 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: for a long long time. I'll explain more about that 27 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: in a minute, but I'm going to first read the 28 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: email to you that I received from the people who 29 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: had this experience, and then I called them and I 30 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: recorded the phone call with their permission, of course, and 31 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to let you hear in their own words 32 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: what they experienced as they were driving north from Las 33 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: Vegas heading back up to their home in Washington State, 34 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: having no idea that they were passing through this area 35 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: that's well known for this strange phenomenon. Uh, You're gonna 36 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: hear on their own words what happened to them as 37 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: they passed through the time warp zone. And before I 38 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: get any any further into to what they experienced, let 39 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: me just say I know a lot of you who 40 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: have been following my work already know what I'm talking about. 41 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: When I talked about the Las Vegas time war. But 42 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: let me refresh you. And of course if you're a 43 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: new listener, well listen to this. This is something interesting 44 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 1: to think about. I guess the easiest way to get 45 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: a handle on this is to just literally read to 46 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: you the press release that I put out in June 47 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: of two thousand and eighteen that went viral and ended 48 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: up being picked up by news outlets, major news outlets 49 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: all over the world. The headline of the press release 50 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: was Spacetime anomaly discovered near Las Vegas. Do you ever 51 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: feel the traffic lights and Las Vegas take too long? Well, 52 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: there may be a good reason. Joshua P. Warren, a 53 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: professional investigator who has appeared on the History Channel, Discovery Channel, 54 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: and nat Geo, claims he has documented a quote space 55 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: time warp on the outskirts of Vegas. Quote. I am 56 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: the first person to use a brand new technology, a 57 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: differential time rate meter or DT meter, to search for 58 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: time anomalies near Vegas, says Warren. Quote I traveled to 59 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: Area fifty one for tests, but I found the strangest 60 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: reading much closer to Vegas. End quote. Warren documented times 61 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: slowing down by twenty micro seconds, which is twenty one 62 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: hundred thousands of a second just north of Vegas between 63 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: I fifteen and Root ninety three. He is calling this 64 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: the Vegas Interstate Time Anomaly or VISTA, and he says 65 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: this is only supposed to happen if a black hole 66 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: approaches Earth. Thus his result is truly an explica bowl. 67 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: Engineer Ron Heath, who invented the DT meter, called the 68 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: result quote incredible. Quote. This is also an area where 69 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: many strange lights have been recorded in the night sky. 70 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: Warren said, I think there may have been Excuse me, 71 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: I think there may be a space time warp on 72 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: the edges of the city, But there has been so 73 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: much man made tech nearby that it's taken a while 74 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: to realize what's naturally happening, and the surrounding hills and 75 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: mountains end quote. Warren believes the Vegas Valley may indeed 76 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: be a natural hot spot for strange activity due to 77 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: these spacetime warps, but he has open to the idea 78 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: that government technology is causing them. Quote. There are many 79 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: secret projects taking place around here. Last year, the Pentagon 80 00:05:55,160 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: confessed to back engineering UFO tech here, and now President 81 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: Trump is forming a space force. Las Vegas is an 82 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: important crossroads for strange phenomena, and it may be a 83 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: combo of what is naturally here and how the government 84 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: is taking advantage of it. End quote. Okay, that gives 85 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: you a really nice little overview of what happened. To 86 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: summarize it even more, Ronald Heath, who supports my work, 87 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: listens to the show. He sent me his new creation, 88 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: the DT meter, and to give you a clear idea 89 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: of how the DT meter works. Basically, he was inspired 90 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: by an episode of The X Files where Molder goes 91 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: out to investigate an area where a UFO has been seen, 92 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: and he takes two clocks that are synchronized, and he 93 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: leaves one at his car, and he takes the other 94 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: to the site where the UFO is seen, and later 95 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: he compares them and they are no longer synchronized. The 96 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: idea being that one of the clocks was exposed those 97 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: to some area where there was sort of a a 98 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: scarring of space time from this UFO technology. And so 99 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: he created Ronald Heath created an actual meter that would 100 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: allow you to measure the same type of difference by 101 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: comparing two spots that are about a hundred feet apart. 102 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: So I got the thing. I made the measurement. I 103 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: was on my way to area fifty one. Just like 104 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: I said, I thought I was going to get something 105 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: weird there. I was stopping to get controls at various 106 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: points along the way on the side of the road, 107 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: and I was amazed that I got something at this 108 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: nondescript site on the side of the road. I was 109 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: even more astounded to learn after the fact that that spot, 110 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: which meant nothing to me, happened to be a spot 111 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: that I learned was just famous, if not infamous, for 112 00:07:54,600 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: UFO experiences in this area. Steve Barrone, a big ufologists, 113 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: spent years documenting amazing video footage. Uh He's got incredible 114 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: footage of of UFOs all around that area flying in 115 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: the night sky. A man named Shaun Kevin Jason had 116 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: a close encounter in nineteen at this spot where one 117 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: of these big triangular craft was twenty feet over his 118 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: car for about I think he said, ten minutes. I 119 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: actually went to the site with Sean Kevin Jason and 120 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: videotaped him telling the story and and verifying where he 121 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: you know, where where we were was where he had 122 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: his experience. And then since then, I mean, it's just 123 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: been incredible how all these different reports keep pouring in, 124 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: and it's almost like plot points on a graph, not uh, 125 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: something that's a concerted effort. It's like somebody has a 126 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: weird experience, they go searching for an answer, and then 127 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: we all start finding each other and we realize what 128 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: we have in common is this spot. So there's something 129 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: about this spot and it's not consistent. Okay, I've gone 130 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: back to that spot on numerous occasions since then, and 131 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: I have not measured the time anomaly again. So I 132 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: keep getting these reports, however, from people like this one 133 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: that just came in from Michael. I will not give 134 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: his last name out let me read you the email. 135 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: This came to me in UM in November, and uh, 136 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: of course I record these podcasts a little bit before 137 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: they are dropped. But anyway, he says, Hello, my name 138 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: is Michael, and my wife Stephanie and I had a 139 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: very strange experience last night in Nevada, coming out of Vegas. 140 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: We are hoping you could help shed some light on 141 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: what happened to us. We happened to come across your 142 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: time warp news video after searching to try to get 143 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: some explanations on what happened last night, and both of 144 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: us are freaked out and floored to learn that in 145 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: the very spot you claim to have found a time 146 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: warp that slowed time down. We had a very strange experience. 147 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: We were traveling north still are in fact almost home 148 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: now to Washington State, roughly twenty to thirty minutes outside 149 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: Vegas on I fifteen headed towards the north to go home. 150 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: We lost roughly an hour and twenty minutes of time 151 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: and ended up about eight miles past the ninety three 152 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: when our GPS stated we still had around thirty six 153 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: miles to go. I saw a flash of light going 154 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: sideways in the sky ahead in the distance, and then 155 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: the weird time loss happened. Please feel free to contact 156 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: me if you would like to know more and if 157 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: you can help us understand what we experienced. And so 158 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: guess what I did. Yeah, I called him and I 159 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: talked to both him and Stephanie. They were still rattled. 160 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: This was all fresh on their minds. And when we 161 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 1: come back from this break, I am going to play 162 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: that actual conversation with you, uh, and you're gonna hear 163 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: straight from their mouths exactly what they experienced as they 164 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: passed through this spot. And mind you, this is coming 165 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: from people who had no idea that there was any 166 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: claim or any legend or any pop culture reference whatsoever 167 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: to a time warp at this spot in Las Vegas. 168 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 1: And so imagine, truly from their point of view, how 169 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: shocked they were to have this disorienting bizarro experience. Get 170 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: online just to see if there was possibly an explanation 171 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: and say, holy crap, there's a time warp there. Listen 172 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: to this, and as you will hear when we come 173 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: back from the break and I play my call with him, 174 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: you will hear that still they're trying to figure out 175 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: what what happened to them. It was that level of 176 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: um of confusion and it shook them quite a lot. 177 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: So I think you're going to enjoy hearing this. If 178 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: you love amazing pictures, videos and breaking content, be sure 179 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: to sign up for my free e newsletter at Joshua P. 180 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: Warren dot com. 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Welcome back to Strange Things on the I 201 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 202 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: I am your host, the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P. Warren, 203 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: beaming into your wormhole brain from my studio in Sin City, 204 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: Las Vegas, Nevada. Where every day is golden and every 205 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: night is silver. And I'm about to play for you. 206 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: Are to my phone conversation with Michael and Stephanie, husband 207 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: and wife who had two kids in the car, who 208 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: experienced something really strange in what we call the Las 209 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: Vegas time warp zone. There from Washington State, they were 210 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: visiting relatives in Arizona. They swung by Las Vegas on 211 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: their way back, and when they headed north of Las 212 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: Vegas on their way back to Washington State, they got 213 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: into that odd area. And you will hear the confusion 214 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: in their voices when they tell you what happened to them. Uh. 215 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: And after we take the break, after that, I will 216 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: tell you about the Mandela effect and how that these 217 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: things may relate, why the Mandela effect may have something 218 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: to do with space time warps, And just to also 219 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: give you a bit more context before I play this 220 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: interview for you. You know, when I documented the time 221 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: warp in June of eighteen, it was in the midst 222 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: of a series of strange events that have to do 223 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: with a lot of the UFO activity in this area. 224 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: For example, well December of sen that's when the Advanced 225 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: Aerospace Threat Identification Program or a TIP was announced the 226 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: Pentagon project to back engineer UFOs. Early June of eighteen, 227 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: NASA announced quote complex organic material found on Mars. June eighteen, 228 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: That's when I discovered the time warp. And that same 229 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: day is when I first saw that President Trump announced 230 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: the formation of the Space Force. On July twenty eighteen, 231 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: NASA announced they found quote an underground lake on Mars 232 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: end quote. Also on July eighteen, George Knapp investigative journalists 233 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: released Senator Harry Reid's letter dated June two thousand nine, 234 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: uh out these exotic technologies that were being back engineered 235 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: as part of the UM Well, he was a part 236 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: of the A TIP project, and he was of course 237 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: the Senate Majority leader at that time. And then in 238 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: August it was also announced that in June ofen when 239 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: I got my reading, the Air Force dropped a new 240 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: type of earth penetrating nuclear gravity bomb from a B 241 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: two at Nellis Air Force Space right beside the time 242 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: warp location. Now, I could go on with some other connections, 243 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: but don't you think that's all kind of interesting that 244 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: this discovery of the time warp it fell within this 245 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: sort of again a crucial series of events. Bear that 246 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: in mind, but let's just take it to basics first. 247 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: What is the human experience? Like, what is that confusion 248 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: that you you that you you know you you endure 249 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: when you go through a site like this, Well, you're 250 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: about to hear right now from Michael and Stephanie. Put 251 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: yourself in their shoes. Here we go. Because of course, 252 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: after you have something weird like this happened, you try 253 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: to make sense of it. And so we're retracing. Um, 254 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: we realized we were on the nineties three. We were 255 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: supposed to turn off onto and that's when some weird stuff, 256 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: just stuff just didn't start adding up. So, yeah, we 257 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: stopped by a little cemetery in Alamo, Nevada, right off 258 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: of the ninety three, and uh, we left there and 259 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: my wife was looking through some pictures we took at 260 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: the cemetery, and I came around the corner and uh, 261 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: right over this little mountain range off to the right 262 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: hand side, I saw like a flash of light, like 263 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: somebody took a camera picture, but it was long, like 264 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: a bolt of lightning. And then stuff just started getting 265 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: weird from there. So let me start by by getting 266 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: a little bit more information about the two of you, though, 267 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: I mean, if you don't mind, sort of tell us 268 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: what you do for a living and sort of what 269 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: brought you to Vegas and sort of set the stage 270 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: for this whole trip, and so everybody has a feeling 271 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: for who you guys are. Yeah, I'm a marine hydraulics 272 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: mechanic fix all the ships down in Seattle and fix 273 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,959 Speaker 1: all the hydraulics and trains and stuff like that. And 274 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: we were headed down there because my dad lives in Kingman, Arizona, 275 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: so we went out to visit him. Okay, how about you, Stephanie. 276 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a stay at home mom. Okay, we've got 277 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: We've got four kids altogether, about two were adults on 278 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: their own and then two little ones, so I stay 279 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: home and take care of them. I also have some 280 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: health issues, so that kind of prevents me from going anywhere. 281 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: So but we did have a nice, a little trip 282 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: out to Arizona, and we stopped by Vegas on the 283 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: way back. The kids went to Circus Circus and as 284 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: we were heading out when we had some weird experience. 285 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: We cannot explain it because we're just kind of left. Baffles. Yes, 286 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: baffle is a really good word for it. So the 287 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,479 Speaker 1: two of you were in your vehicle with what four children? 288 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: You said, No, we we have four all together, but 289 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: two were little two are still with us. So we 290 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: have a ten year old and the eleven year old 291 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: with us and our last our lab Coda, and we're 292 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: traveling to try and make our way back home. We're 293 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: switching driving through what the grid drives straight through and 294 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: get home as fast as possible. And what kind of 295 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: what kind of a vehicle do you have? Two thousand 296 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: thirteen Chevy Silverado. Okay, I'm just interested in little details 297 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: like that to look for patterns and you know. Yeah, 298 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: and also, you know, Michael, since you are an engineer 299 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: of sorts, I mean think that's also an interesting point. 300 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: You have to be sort of a nuts and bolts, 301 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: you know, logical person to be in that field. And 302 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: so I mean, when you're baffled, it's probably a pretty 303 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: big deal. Huh. Yeah. It takes a lot to make 304 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: me really question something like that. I was really baffled 305 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: by that one. So okay, now, so you were you 306 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: can you stopped in Vegas and then you were heading 307 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: north from Vegas on your way back home, and is 308 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: that correct? Yep, okay, So let's just start again from 309 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: you're in Vegas, you're driving north, and just tell me 310 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: exactly the details you can remember about that trip. And uh, 311 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: even if things don't make sense, let's just give us 312 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: the facts the best you can. It started with things 313 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: not making sense when we got back on the highway. 314 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: Obviously we're doing a little road trip. Been older cemeteries 315 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: and things like that. They interested me personally, so I 316 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: begged him to stop. We passed the first one. I 317 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: was a little disappointed, so we've seen another sign. Ended 318 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: up over at the Richard Bill Cemetery. Took a couple 319 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: of pictures, and when we pulled in there, my GPS 320 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: on Google Maps was saying that we still had like 321 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 1: thirty six miles before we needed to go to our 322 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: turn offs. So I didn't think it was like a 323 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: big deal. If I looked through the pictures on my phone. 324 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: We got back on the road, I thought, you know, 325 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: we've got quite a ways to go. We're not going 326 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: to miss our turn off. And as I'm looking through 327 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: my pictures on my phone, I never exited out of 328 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: my Google screen for Maps. I it just went into 329 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: a smaller screen and so I stopped looking at the pictures, 330 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: and the whole thing was probably about five minutes, and 331 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: I went to go back on my screen, and all 332 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: of a sudden, my Google Maps is telling me that 333 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: we're rerouting, and we had no clue, but we never 334 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: saw a sign for the turn off that we needed 335 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: to go through. We end up like, oh, eight miles 336 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: pass where we need to turn off, and now Google 337 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: Maps is acting weird on my phone, telling me we 338 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: need to take a right, not the left, in the middle, 339 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: out in the middle of the desert, nowhere on this 340 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: like back road, and it gave me a really bad 341 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: ominus feeling. So I looked and I said, you're not 342 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: taking that route, and Google wasn't working. I hadn't had 343 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: a problem with Google coming in. We took the same 344 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: route out that we took in, so I don't know 345 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: if that had anything to do with the weirdness of it. 346 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: But the strange part was I noticed something was wrong, 347 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: and in between when we left there and we ended 348 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: up where that weird dirt road was was when Mike 349 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: saw the flash. I didn't see it, like I said, 350 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: I was looking at pictures from the cemetery on my phone, 351 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: so I didn't personally see the flash. He just looked, uh, 352 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,719 Speaker 1: he was just driving. All of a sudden he just 353 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: started going, what the f was that? And I was 354 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: like what? And he told me what happened? And I joked, honestly, 355 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, we're gonna get beamed up by 356 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: aliens or something now, just joking, you know. And then 357 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: of course I realized something was wrong. When it was 358 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: after midnight, there's no possible way, and it seemed like 359 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: it was only five minutes since we left the cemetery. 360 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: It should not have been after midnight. Um, we lost 361 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: We thought it was initially about an hour and a 362 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: half of time, but after we looked at the time 363 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: stamp on the photos and stuff, it was closer to 364 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: about an hour of time that we can't account for. 365 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: The drive from the time that we left the cemetery, 366 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: the Richardville Cemetery to where we ended up this dirt 367 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: road that Google Maps told us to go to. There's 368 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: no way. It felt like a five minute drive when 369 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: we ended up way the heck out there. For a fact, 370 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: we had to turn at that little et beef Jerkey 371 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: gas or station to take a left there and head 372 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: onto the three eighteen. I wouldn't we never We never 373 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: seen it. We never seen a little et gas Jurkey station. 374 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: We stopped there on the way in, so we knew 375 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: we never even seen it. We just ended up eight 376 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: miles past and now we're realizing this after midnight. Our 377 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: time stamps on our pictures show that last time that 378 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: we took a picture at the graveyard was eleven seventeen, 379 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: and we drove right out of there. We only stayed 380 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: a couple of minutes, took a couple of pictures and 381 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: looked around, and we didn't even get out of the truck. 382 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: We just kind of drove through and looked in. Oh 383 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: cool cemetery. You know, we don't have cemeteries and stuff 384 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: like that of course out here in Washington, so it 385 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: was kind of a site attraction thing for us on 386 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: the way out. But just the whole thing kind of 387 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: gave you a weird feeling. After he saw the flash 388 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: of light, it just seemed like everything was different. Does 389 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: that make sense, like realizing that you're missing time? Like, 390 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: how did so much time passed? We were just down 391 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: the road and we just left the cemetery. How are 392 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: we an hour already passed? And eight pat miles passed 393 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: are where we were supposed to turn off. It just 394 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: didn't make sense. And again, what's the closest area that 395 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: you can remember being near? And what did you see? One? 396 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: Looking at the map I printed out right now off 397 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: of Google Maps, and we're in Alamo. We left there 398 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: and the only corner from there is that Ash Springs 399 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: Rock art site and it sort of curves off to 400 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: the right, and right when we came around that curve, 401 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: there was a mountain straight ahead of us, and right 402 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: above the mountain it looked like a lightning bolt that sideways, 403 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: completely sideways, but lightning kind of like lingers for just 404 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: a second. This was more like a camera flash, like 405 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: just a blink. And uh, I've got really confused by that. 406 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: It didn't make any sense, Like there was no practical 407 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: reason why that would happen at all in the middle 408 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: of the desert. I'm Joshua pe Warren. You're listening to 409 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: strange things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to 410 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: Coast a um paranormal podcast network, and I will be 411 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: right back. Hey. The Coast to Coast to mtube channels 412 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: go to Coast to Coast am dot com for more information. Well, 413 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: two thousand twenty has been quite a year, and most 414 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: of us are glad it's almost over. 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Warren on 422 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a M 423 00:27:46,440 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network, Welcome back to Strange Things on the 424 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a AM Paraormal 425 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren, and 426 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: this is the show where the unusual becomes usual. Is 427 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: it possible that these space time warps are symptoms of 428 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: the timelines being manipulated by time travelers like I have 429 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: talked about in my para temporal loop hypothesis, or something 430 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: else that's even weirder. Well, let me read a passage 431 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: for you from a book I wrote years ago called 432 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: pet Ghost, where I talk about all kinds of non 433 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: human apparitions. And of course I'm talking here about the thunderbird, 434 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: which is just a gigantic bird, a huge bird, according 435 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: to legend, especially a lot of Native American lore. The 436 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: most amazing thunderbird incident occurred in eighteen ninety near the 437 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: notorious Tombstone, Arizona. The local newspaper, the Tombstone Epitaph, supposedly 438 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: printed a story on April eighteen ninety about several locals 439 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: who had shot and killed one of these magnificent animals, 440 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: along with a photograph. According to legend, the photos showed 441 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: at least a half dozen men posed beside the beast, 442 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: which was nailed to a wall. The bird was mentioned 443 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: by writer Horace Bell in the nineteen thirty book on 444 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: the Old West Coast. Yeah. For the most part, this 445 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: incident did not enter the popular consciousness until nineteen sixty three, 446 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: and that year a man named Jack Pearl wrote of 447 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: seeing the pi you're in Saga magazine, pulp publication geared 448 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: towards men. Later, in September of nineteen sixty three, H. M. 449 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: Cranmer wrote of seeing the photograph in Fate magazine. However, 450 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: no one could produce the actual image. Stories regarding the 451 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: thunderbird photo were fairly consistent. A group of rugged old 452 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: timers stood next to a dead winged beast that was 453 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: spread on a boarded wall, but aside from that, descriptions varied. 454 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: Some claimed the wingspan was twenty feet, others said it 455 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: was more like a hundred. All the while staff of 456 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: the Tombstone Epitaph looked through their files to no avail. 457 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: They claimed there was no trace of this image. Various 458 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: historians poured over Epithaph issues without success, even as others 459 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: said it had been reprinted in a variety of modern periodicals, 460 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: but that only reinforced the zeal of those who claimed 461 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: to have seen the picture. More and more came forth 462 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: each day. Even Ivan T. Sanderson, the famed writer and 463 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: researcher of natural anomalies, claimed to have a copy of 464 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: the elusive photo. Canadian researcher W. Richie Benedict had a 465 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: particularly titilating tale. In nineteen seventy one, he claimed to 466 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: have watched an episode of the Canadian show called Pierre Burton, 467 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: a talk show. On the program, Burton's guest Sanderson displayed 468 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: a copy of the thunderbird photo on a placard. In 469 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: order to find that episode, Benedict contacted the Screen Jim's 470 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,719 Speaker 1: organization in Ontario. They were unable to produce the image, 471 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: but Benedict finally received a letter from Burton himself, and 472 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: in the letter, Burton said he remembered that episode as 473 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: well as the picture, but did not have a copy. Next, 474 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: Benedict turned to the National Archives and they replied saying 475 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: they had sixty seven of the shows on file, all 476 00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: except the relevant one. Even John Kill of Mothman and 477 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: Fame said he'd seen and perhaps once owned a copy 478 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: of the picture. According to some sources, like researcher Troy Taylor, 479 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: Kill remarked, I know I saw it, and not only that, 480 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: I compared notes with a lot of people who saw it. 481 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: Peter Johnson, a correspondent of the late Mark Travinsky's Strange magazine, 482 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: also said he'd seen it. He said, what I saw 483 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: and one of these magazines, and I'll never forget it 484 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: because it amazed me at the time, because I did 485 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: not think that cowboys were ever clean shaven. I saw 486 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: the men were standing in the foreground there in front 487 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: of the barn, or the side of a railway car, 488 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: or the side of a big house or whatever, this 489 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: big boarded thing, and they had beards and broad brimmed 490 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: hats like sombreros, and it was very, very unusual, and 491 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: I thought, how weird. Cowboys never looked like that. So 492 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: I've always remembered them as being miners. Mark Travinsky went 493 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: on the hunt to the best of his ability. Uh, 494 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,959 Speaker 1: there was a listen to this. Peter Johnson said that, um, 495 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: he jogged a researcher's memory named Richie Benedict, and he 496 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: recalled he may have seen the photograph in Saga magazine, 497 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: perhaps in the mid nineteen sixties, but said, I went 498 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: to the Library of Congress and checked out all the 499 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: issues of Saga from nineteen fifty eight through nineteen seventy, 500 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: and I can assure you it is not in any 501 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: of those issues. Okay, these reports go on and on 502 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: and on. So we have to ask ourselves, is this 503 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: some type of technology that's being used that somehow manipulates 504 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: the timelines, whether it's being used by us or somewhere else, 505 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: somebody else. I mean, what's going on here? I mean 506 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: we can imagine that some aspect of our society, perhaps 507 00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: religious or governmental, feels threatened by certain discoveries and suppresses them. 508 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: But is it possible there is just another dimension filled 509 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: with other creatures and agendas. I mean, if you obtained 510 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 1: a copy of the thunder Bird photograph tomorrow, by the 511 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: time you brought it to a newspaper or you're a scanner, 512 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: would it just be a blank piece of paper? I mean, 513 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: this kind of unsettling reality is something that we have 514 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: to face, we have to take seriously. And when I 515 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: wrote about that, nobody had ever come up with this 516 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: term called the Mandela effect. And if you look that 517 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: up right now on Wikipedia, it takes you to an 518 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: article about what they call false memory. Here's what it says. 519 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: False memories can sometimes be shared by multiple people. This 520 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: is sometimes called the Mandela effect. Examples include memories of 521 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: the Barren Stained Bears name being spelled Barren Steen b 522 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: e r e N s t i N. It's not 523 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: s t i N, it's s t a i N. 524 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: It's not s t e i N. It's s t 525 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: a i n uh. The existence of a nineteen nineties 526 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 1: movie entitled Shazam starring comedian Sinbad as a genie. People 527 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: say that they saw that movie. It never existed. They're 528 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,280 Speaker 1: all kinds of examples of what are called the Mandela effect, 529 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: where people say, look, I saw something, I experienced something. 530 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: I know it's real, but it's not there anymore. You know, 531 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: I'm a Star Wars guy. I'll give you as some 532 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: Star Wars examples. You've heard Luke, I am your father? Right? 533 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: It turns out that was never in the movie. He says, no, 534 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: I am your father. You know in in Star Wars 535 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: C three, p O has always had one silver leg, 536 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: the right leg from the knee down. Is that surprising 537 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: to you? How do you think Looney Tunes is spelled? 538 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: You might think it's spelled tunes t O O N S, 539 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: but no, it's t U N E S. How about 540 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,959 Speaker 1: the Monopoly Man, you know, the guy with the top hat. 541 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: Do you think he has a monocle? Most people do. 542 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:27,240 Speaker 1: He has never had a monocle. If I say to you, Hello, Charis, 543 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: that probably conjures up Silence of the Lambs. Right, Well, 544 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: guess what Hello Clarisse was never said in Silence of 545 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: the Lambs and the movie Casablanca, they never said play 546 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:46,479 Speaker 1: it against Sam. That was never said. Carl Sagan never 547 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: said billions and billions. That memory became so prominent that 548 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: years later Sagan even named a book Billions and Billions 549 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: as sort of an acknowledgement. You ever heard of Jiffy 550 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: peanut butter that never existed? Now only Jeff curious. George 551 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: never had a tail Forrest Scump, they say now. Never 552 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: said life is like a box of chocolates. He said 553 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: life was like a box of chocolates. In the movie 554 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: Snow White, the Queen never said mirror A mirror on 555 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: the wall. She said magic mirror on the wall. This 556 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: is a good one. I bet you've heard of Smokey 557 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,720 Speaker 1: the Bear, right, Well, guess what. It's never been Smoky 558 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: the Beer. They say, now it's Smokey Bear. You know 559 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: when the Space Shuttle Challenger exploded, A lot of people 560 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 1: say they remember that happening in UM nineteen eighty four, 561 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: but it took place in nineteen six. Do you remember 562 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: the movie Risky Business when Tom Cruise was dancing in 563 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 1: his underwear and address shirt wearing ray bands, Well, guess what, 564 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 1: he wasn't wearing ray bands in that scene when the 565 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: timeline's ripple. It's a similar feeling to deja vu, which 566 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: in French means already seeing it's like a glitch in 567 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: the matrix. Right. Uh. There's even a business executive you 568 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,879 Speaker 1: can look him up online named Christopher and Nottra. He's 569 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: the president and founder of ANYCS Incorporated. That's a computer 570 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: software and tech company. And he keeps track of all 571 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: kinds of of skews as they call them, different variables 572 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: for products and stores. And he has gone public and said, listen, 573 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: the man La effect is real and it's actually affecting 574 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: our inventory. Names and numbers are constantly changing, and it's 575 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: we can prove it's not our staff that this is 576 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: an example of something changing in the environment in reality itself. 577 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,879 Speaker 1: You know. The Dali Lama is often referred to as 578 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: con don ku in d un. Martin Scorsese made a 579 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: movie called Kundun. Do you know what that means? Kun 580 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 1: don means presence? And what does presence mean? That's the 581 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,720 Speaker 1: state or fact of existing, of occurring, of being present 582 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: in a place or thing. If the Dalai Lama is 583 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: present and distinguished by that fact, well then what are 584 00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: the rest of us? Are we sort of pawns that 585 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: are mixed up by these rippling timelines. And some people 586 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: are able to stay firmly locked into the present. That's 587 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: the Mandela effect. What do you think when we come back. 588 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,720 Speaker 1: I have a weird, amazing story for you. You're gonna 589 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 1: like this. I'm Joshua pe Warren. You're listening to strange 590 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,320 Speaker 1: things on the I Heart Radio and the Coast to 591 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be right back. Okay, folks, 592 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: we need your music. 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Enjoy your search have 611 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 1: some fun at paranormal date dot com. Hi, this is 612 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: George Ori and you're listening to the new I Heart 613 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast Dadaum paranormal podcast network. Now 614 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: let's get back to Strange Things with Joshua P. Warren. 615 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the final segment of this edition of 616 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: Strange Things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, 617 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,920 Speaker 1: a paranormal podcast network. I'm your host, Joshua P. Warren. 618 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,720 Speaker 1: And the term Mandela effect was coined in two thousand 619 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: ten by a paranormalist named Fiona Broom. She said that 620 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,280 Speaker 1: she had a memory um Elson Mandela dying in prison 621 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties, but he actually died in two 622 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 1: thousand thirteen after having served as President of South Africa. 623 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,799 Speaker 1: And she said that that memory, what some call a 624 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: false memory, was shared by thousands of other people, and 625 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,319 Speaker 1: that's where this that's what got people thinking about this 626 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: bizarre phenomenon that's been around for a long time. And 627 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 1: ultimately the idea is that there is some kind of 628 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:39,240 Speaker 1: design in the universe and that if you pay attention, 629 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,760 Speaker 1: you know there is a design. And so when something changes, 630 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 1: well you noticed that too. And when it comes to 631 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 1: thinking about the design of the universe and reality and 632 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: what gives your life meaning. I was reminded of this 633 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 1: interesting story by my friend Tad McDivitt, who was also 634 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: the chi occult researcher and tour guide at Haunted Asheville. 635 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: He wrote this account. He said, during the summer of 636 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, I had a friend staying with 637 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 1: me who was a high school senior named Nathan. One day, 638 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 1: we decided to take a hike in North Carolina's Smokey 639 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 1: Mountains at a place called Graveyard Fields, UM And then 640 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: he goes on to say, Nathan and I walked along 641 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: the path that runs parallel to a stream. Nathan recalled 642 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: memories of his grandfather as we walked. It was as 643 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 1: if to be the it was. It was as if 644 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 1: I was to be the lone audience of his heartfelt eulogy, 645 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,840 Speaker 1: Nathan mentioned that he had come to the area many 646 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: times as his grandfather was an avid camper. He continued 647 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,800 Speaker 1: to explain that his grandfather was actually a boy scout 648 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: troop master and had taken numerous trip out to graveyard 649 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: fields in as many years of youth mentoring. It was 650 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: during one of these descriptions of Nathan's grandfather's camping techniques 651 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:15,759 Speaker 1: that I saw a glint and the water. The sensation 652 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 1: I experienced when I quote feel the mojo is difficult 653 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,799 Speaker 1: to describe. It's as if time slows down and I 654 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,840 Speaker 1: have extra time to process information. I often instinctively cocked 655 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,759 Speaker 1: my head to the side when I experienced this sensation, 656 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 1: he says, there is something that prods me to pay attention. 657 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: This very sensation came over me as my mind became 658 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,359 Speaker 1: curious about the source of the glistening reflection in the 659 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: bed of the stream before me, he said. I waded 660 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: into the water and fished out the source of the reflection. 661 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:02,959 Speaker 1: It was a Swiss army knife. I called to Nathan, hey, 662 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: look what I found. As I waded to the shore. 663 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,399 Speaker 1: By the time I had reached the bank of the stream, 664 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,880 Speaker 1: about fifteen feet across and about two ft deep. At 665 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,640 Speaker 1: that point, Nathan had walked up, curious to see what 666 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: I had found. I handed him the knife and he 667 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 1: said to me, oh, wow, my grandfather lost one of 668 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 1: these out here when I was a little kid. And 669 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 1: as he unfolded the blade of the knife, there was 670 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: engraved on the blade his grandfather's full name. Too many 671 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 1: people this story is just a highly improbable coincidence, and 672 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 1: they are right. It's the kind of coincidence that makes 673 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 1: me feel that Pascal's Bell curve of probability has just 674 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:02,360 Speaker 1: been made the causality of a squitch shoot. No glowing 675 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:08,960 Speaker 1: apparition appeared, No balls of plasma manifested themselves, challenging the 676 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 1: laws of physics. Just one intense and incredibly emotionally significant coincidence. 677 00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,280 Speaker 1: This is the kind of experience that I believe car 678 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,320 Speaker 1: Carl Young was talking about when he contrived the principle 679 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 1: of synchronicity. I like to keep this memory close to 680 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 1: remind myself that the paranormal isn't just about the documentation 681 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:41,359 Speaker 1: of the unexplainable quote special effects. It also reminds me 682 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 1: that sometimes such an experience seems to be intended for 683 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: the select few that will see personal significance within the events. Uh. 684 00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,280 Speaker 1: You've heard me talk a lot about coincidences on this show, 685 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: and again that's by Tad McDivitt. Thank you for that account, Tad. 686 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: That's I mean, that is kind of mind boggling. Don't 687 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 1: you think I could sit here, you know, for hours 688 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:22,719 Speaker 1: and read to you stories of quote unquote coincidences. But 689 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:29,719 Speaker 1: it's so interesting, it's so significant because, as I was 690 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 1: telling you, UM, if you acknowledge that there is some 691 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 1: kind of a design, and I'm not saying that I 692 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,840 Speaker 1: have the wisdom to explain to you what that means. 693 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,879 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that there is a big guy with 694 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,040 Speaker 1: the long beard and his staff and this guy named 695 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,399 Speaker 1: God who has made everything. I mean, I think it's 696 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,960 Speaker 1: far more complex than we can imagine, to be honest 697 00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:04,520 Speaker 1: with you, UM, but there is some design here there, 698 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 1: and and acknowledging that there is that kind of clockwork 699 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:15,920 Speaker 1: that goes on that type of organization in the universe, 700 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:23,359 Speaker 1: it makes it even more prevalent, even more emphasized when 701 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,600 Speaker 1: something happens that is out of whack with that, these 702 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,319 Speaker 1: things that we sometimes call the Mandela effect, you know, 703 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,879 Speaker 1: I I before that that term was coined, I called 704 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:39,040 Speaker 1: it the dead celebrities phenomenon because you know, obviously the 705 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:43,279 Speaker 1: Mandela story is one of those examples. But you've heard 706 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 1: me say before that. I mean I have memories of 707 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: just seeing a celebrity like Jack Palace was one, or 708 00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,719 Speaker 1: her ve Villa Chase was one, the guy who played 709 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,960 Speaker 1: Tattoo on Fantasy Island, where I I saw news report 710 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: it's of them being dead, and then a week later 711 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,680 Speaker 1: it's like, well, they're not dead, They're alive. Well, what 712 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,759 Speaker 1: what was that all about? And it may just be 713 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:15,279 Speaker 1: that these types of um of things, these distortions, they 714 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,959 Speaker 1: happen all the time. They happen all the time all 715 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 1: throughout the population. But well you only notice it when 716 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,040 Speaker 1: it happens to somebody who's famous because they're recognizable. They 717 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,719 Speaker 1: are famous, right, So that gives you an opportunity to 718 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 1: notice it because you're seeing a famous person, uh as 719 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,000 Speaker 1: one of thousands of people that this may be happening to, 720 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,760 Speaker 1: and sometimes you get to be one of those people. 721 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,759 Speaker 1: It's all about frequency and vibration, you know, That's what 722 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,040 Speaker 1: Tesla said. If you want to know the key to everything, 723 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:54,759 Speaker 1: consider frequency and vibration. That also being said, I think 724 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,080 Speaker 1: it's time for me to play for you, at least 725 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:03,800 Speaker 1: for now, your weekly dose of the Good Fortune tongue. 726 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,560 Speaker 1: It's twenty seconds long. I want you to listen to 727 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,880 Speaker 1: this uh and just have no exact thoughts, you know, 728 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,320 Speaker 1: clear your mind. It's sympathetic resonance if you can close 729 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:22,839 Speaker 1: your eyes as you hear this tone that I extracted 730 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,680 Speaker 1: using parasit matics two point oh um and some other 731 00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:35,440 Speaker 1: techniques from the Golden Ratio perfect balance sound. And we're 732 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,319 Speaker 1: gonna exercise your your brain and your spirit from time 733 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,799 Speaker 1: to time by way of this sound. Before I play 734 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,120 Speaker 1: this for you, let me remind you also, you know 735 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,520 Speaker 1: you can listen to all the shows on the Coast 736 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,680 Speaker 1: to Coast a AM paranormal podcast network for free, including 737 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 1: Sandra Champlain's Shades of the Afterlife if you just go 738 00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,200 Speaker 1: to iHeart dot com and search for a Coast to 739 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,759 Speaker 1: Coast a M and you should be able to find 740 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,000 Speaker 1: them all at one place. Okay, here we go. Here 741 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:32,719 Speaker 1: is the good Fortune tone. All right. I hope that 742 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,040 Speaker 1: you enjoyed that. And do you notice how it goes? 743 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 1: It starts out high and it's like here and then 744 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:42,880 Speaker 1: it gets low and then gets hiking. Because if you 745 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:47,520 Speaker 1: know what the perfect golden ratio symbol looks like, the 746 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,480 Speaker 1: golden mean it starts on the outside where it's wide, 747 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,000 Speaker 1: and it goes down to the middle where it's small, 748 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,399 Speaker 1: and then back out again and it's like a big 749 00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,040 Speaker 1: breath of fresh air. It's actually like a breath, to 750 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,439 Speaker 1: be honest with you, It's like you inhale and then 751 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:10,640 Speaker 1: you exhale. And I'm just speculating maybe that's what's happening 752 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:16,680 Speaker 1: to your spirit, so to speak, when you hear that 753 00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,760 Speaker 1: tone that it's it's it's almost like, yes, your body 754 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,680 Speaker 1: takes the breath from time to time, you need your 755 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,880 Speaker 1: spirit to take a breath. And so perhaps that's what 756 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,480 Speaker 1: the good Fortune tone does. At some point, I'll just 757 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,680 Speaker 1: sit down on the show and I'll read you all 758 00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,200 Speaker 1: the stories I'm getting from people who are having magnificent 759 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:41,960 Speaker 1: experiences from being exposed to the good Fortune tone, and um, 760 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's the sort of thing that you you 761 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:49,160 Speaker 1: certainly can take and record and make a longer version 762 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,640 Speaker 1: for yourself. At some point I'll do that for you. 763 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,360 Speaker 1: But you know, right now, there are enough hours in 764 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,520 Speaker 1: the day. But listen, to it as often as possible, 765 00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,719 Speaker 1: replay that thing, and let's just see what kind of 766 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,879 Speaker 1: reports start coming in showing that's the fun thing about 767 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:10,960 Speaker 1: having a podcast. And that's it for this edition of 768 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,360 Speaker 1: the show. Follow me on Twitter at Joshua pe Warren, 769 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,040 Speaker 1: Plus visit Joshua pe Warren dot com to sign up 770 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:22,280 Speaker 1: for my free e newsletter to receive a free instant gift, 771 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,960 Speaker 1: and check out the cool stuff and the Curiosity Shop 772 00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,520 Speaker 1: all at Joshua pe Warren dot com. I have a 773 00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,320 Speaker 1: fun one lined up for you next time, I promise. 774 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 1: So please tell all your friends to subscribe to this 775 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:41,120 Speaker 1: show and to always remember the Golden Rule. Thank you 776 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,280 Speaker 1: for listening, thank you for your interest in support, thank 777 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,959 Speaker 1: you for staying curious, and I We'll talk to you 778 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:54,480 Speaker 1: again soon. You've been listening to Strange Things on the 779 00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,560 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast st a um 780 00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:11,239 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast Network, Yeah, even listening to Strange Things with 781 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,360 Speaker 1: Joshua P. Warren. 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