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Speaker 2: It lasted all of twenty minutes. A big surrender yesterday
Speaker 2: in Atlanta, Donald J. Trump, prisoner number P zero one,
Speaker 2: one three, five eighth nine in the Fulton County Jail.
Speaker 2: Pretty remarkable to see it happen, even though we knew
Speaker 2: it was all going to happen.
Speaker 3: As I read from the terminal.
Speaker 2: Shortly after we entered the facility, his name appeared in
Speaker 2: its database, recording his height as six ' three apparently
Speaker 2: self reported, and weight of two hundred and fifteen pounds
Speaker 2: not bad, hair color as blonde or strawberry, and assigned
Speaker 2: in inmate number. Donald Trump spoke to reporters on the
Speaker 2: tarmac as he got back to the airport following his life.
Speaker 4: When you have that great freedom to challenge, you have
Speaker 4: to be able to otherwise you can have very dishonest elections.
Speaker 3: What has taken place here is a travesty of justice.
Speaker 3: We did nothing wrong. I did nothing.
Speaker 2: Wrong, and he did an interview later on on Newsmax,
Speaker 2: talking about the whole experience. Even as the mug shot
Speaker 2: was turned into merchandise, and you saw this coming, they
Speaker 2: were selling fake versions of the mug shot.
Speaker 3: At one point.
Speaker 2: Indeed, the Trump Save America Joint fundraising Committee out with
Speaker 2: T shirts, mugs, beverage coolers, bumper stickers, and other merchandise.
Speaker 2: Twelve dollars for the bumper sticker up to thirty six
Speaker 2: that's the premium long sleeve T shirt. Former president asked
Speaker 2: on Newsmax a couple hours after. I guess he got
Speaker 2: home by the time he did the interview, because they
Speaker 2: sure waited around for a while.
Speaker 3: What was it like in jail, mister President.
Speaker 1: Terrible experience.
Speaker 4: I came in. I was treated very nicely, but it
Speaker 4: is what it is. I took a mugshot, which I
Speaker 4: never heard the words mugshot. That was didn't teach me
Speaker 4: that the works.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking he did know about the mugshot, didn't Rudy
Speaker 2: tell him. So we have a couple of voices to
Speaker 2: help us understand what's going on here. It's Eric Larson,
Speaker 2: of course, Bloomberg Legal reporter. We're going to talk next
Speaker 2: as well with the State attorney for Palm Beach County,
Speaker 2: mister Dave Ehrenberg. Eric joins us from World Headquarters in
Speaker 2: New York, Eric Larson, Great to have you back. Not
Speaker 2: a lot really happened yesterday. It was a twenty minute affair.
Speaker 2: But to actually see the mugshot, to see the expression
Speaker 2: on his face, to watch it all happen in what,
Speaker 2: by the way, is not a very nice jail, was
Speaker 2: quite remarkable. What do you think the experience was like
Speaker 2: for him when we couldn't see inside, I'd say.
Speaker 5: It was probably a bit humbling for mister Trump, probably
Speaker 5: like it is for anyone who's going into a jail
Speaker 5: to be booked, but probably more so for him. He
Speaker 5: wasn't booked quite like that, and didn't have his mugshot
Speaker 5: taken in the three other criminal cases that he's facing,
Speaker 5: of course, and this was his first time, and there
Speaker 5: was also, of course a question about whether or not
Speaker 5: he even would have a mugshot taken. I'm sure his
Speaker 5: lawyers probably tried pretty hard to negotiate that away, but
Speaker 5: it didn't happen, And of course we see from the
Speaker 5: expression on his face he was looking pretty stern and defiant,
Speaker 5: and I think he's doing his best to use the
Speaker 5: image to his advantage, but I'm sure it was pretty humbling.
Speaker 2: We should note, Eric, the deadline has passed. Everyone did surrender, correct.
Speaker 5: That is correct. All nineteen defendants in the case have
Speaker 5: now surrendered. They've been booked. One individual at Harrison Floyd,
Speaker 5: he's the former director of Black Voices for Trump, did
Speaker 5: not reach a bond and is currently in custody, so
Speaker 5: we'll see what happens with that. But everyone else was
Speaker 5: able to get a bond agreement and was able to
Speaker 5: leave the jail after their booking.
Speaker 2: So the surrender date August twenty four. Here, we do
Speaker 2: not have an arraignment date set apparently. How's that going
Speaker 2: to work?
Speaker 5: We don't know. We don't have any dates yet other
Speaker 5: than the one that Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis
Speaker 5: gave when she said that she envisions the arraignments happening
Speaker 5: the week of September fifth, which is a Tuesday after
Speaker 5: our holiday. So theoretically she could be planning for all
Speaker 5: of them to happen that week, or that could just
Speaker 5: be the start of arraignments happening. We're not exactly sure,
Speaker 5: but that's The big question when will these arraignments happen,
Speaker 5: When will especially mister Trump appear in court in Atlanta
Speaker 5: to enter his plea, presumably of not guilty.
Speaker 2: They do them differently in Georgia. Right in Fulton County,
Speaker 2: because we've seen him showing up for arraignments. In this case,
Speaker 2: they had him go to the jail. Is that what
Speaker 2: would have happened to anybody else?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was treated just like everyone else in Fulton
Speaker 5: County as far as we can tell. In other cases
Speaker 5: in New York, in Washington, Federal Court in Florida and
Speaker 5: federal court. You know, he was able to sort of
Speaker 5: go in and do a fingerprinting and be formally sort
Speaker 5: of booked at the court just before for his arraignment.
Speaker 5: So didn't work out for him that way quite here.
Speaker 5: So as much as yesterday was a circus with this
Speaker 5: twenty minutes in jail, it's going to be even more
Speaker 5: so when he actually arrives in court to go before
Speaker 5: a judge and enter his plea. And I think it's
Speaker 5: going to be a much more significant day, you.
Speaker 3: Better believe it. Eric.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for all of your great reporting
Speaker 2: and analysis here throughout the process. We actually got four
Speaker 2: of them done with Eric Larson, and I would argue
Speaker 2: we got four done with Dave Ehrenberg. He's back with
Speaker 2: us now State attorney for Palm Beach County. David's great
Speaker 2: to see you, always a pleasure to talk. I'm wondering
Speaker 2: your thoughts. I don't know if you've ever been in
Speaker 2: the Fulton County jail. For your sake, I hope not,
Speaker 2: because I'm told as I read here, this is not
Speaker 2: a very nice place. It stinks, it's probably not very clean.
Speaker 2: Former president walks in there with the shiny shoes and
Speaker 2: the suit on. I don't know what he was plenty
Speaker 2: to do in that mug shop, but he sure didn't
Speaker 2: look happy about what was going on.
Speaker 6: He did not be back with you. By the way,
Speaker 6: I'm also six foot three, two fifteen and my other
Speaker 6: I knew that right.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: My other car is a Lamborghini, you know, so the
Speaker 6: one you don't see me drive. I wasn't totally surprised
Speaker 6: that he took the mug shot that he was forced to,
Speaker 6: but keep in mind it was optional. Really, the sheriff
Speaker 6: has a discretion, and the sheriff could have just said
Speaker 6: we're not doing it, just like it was waived in
Speaker 6: the other jurisdictions. And the reason why he didn't need
Speaker 6: to take one is because the mugshot is really used
Speaker 6: to in case you go on the lamb, in case
Speaker 6: you're become become a fugitive and they need to identify you.
Speaker 6: But when you're the most famous slash infamous person in
Speaker 6: the world, there's really no need to have the mug shot.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I thought it was interesting that he took one.
Speaker 6: I'm not surprised you only spent twenty hour, twenty minutes
Speaker 6: in that rat infested jail. Perhaps this will be an
Speaker 6: impetus for authorities to look at that place a little
Speaker 6: more closely. It's supposed to be one of the worst
Speaker 6: in the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had to have practiced the mug shot, right,
Speaker 2: He was doing that in the mirror. He knew exactly
Speaker 2: what that was gonna look like. Am I wrong?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 6: I thought going in he was going to do the
Speaker 6: Tom Delay thing. Remember Tom DeLay's mug shot, which he
Speaker 6: had a right smile, right, he wore his congressional pan.
Speaker 6: It looked like his congressional headshot. But it's his mugshot. Now,
Speaker 6: I do agree. I think this was rehearsed in practice.
Speaker 6: I was surprised he went with a menacing look. He
Speaker 6: and Rudy Giuliani. Yeah, but you know, it wasn't the
Speaker 6: worst of all of them. I thought it was pretty bad,
Speaker 6: but I thought the worst was John Eastman, and even worse,
Speaker 6: perhaps was Sidney Palell. Did you see hers?
Speaker 5: Ye?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: That one looked a little bit like the movie poster
Speaker 6: for a clockwork orange Malcolm McDowell, did you remember that?
Speaker 8: Are you old enough?
Speaker 3: Yes? I am. I would not have gone there. But
Speaker 3: that's why we bring.
Speaker 2: In Dave Ehrenberg for these beautiful analogies. By the way,
Speaker 2: if you haven't seen The Batman Bad Guy mock, they've
Speaker 2: put this together on social media each and you know,
Speaker 2: they've made Rudy into the penguin. That's it's actually, it's
Speaker 2: just remarkable, this world of social media we live in.
Speaker 3: Where would we do this otherwise? But Dave, what happens next?
Speaker 2: They're going to have to have an arraignment, as we
Speaker 2: were discussing with Eric Larsen, So he's going to be
Speaker 2: back there in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so in Georgia, just like in Florida, you have
Speaker 6: the first appearance and then you come back to the arrangement.
Speaker 6: We saw them both combined in the federal cases. But yeah,
Speaker 6: I do think it'll be a bigger deal when he
Speaker 6: comes in and he has to say not guilty. He
Speaker 6: will be pleading not guilty, and and that should be televised.
Speaker 6: If that's the benefit of this case. In Georgia, everything
Speaker 6: should be transparent and televised, as compared to federal court
Speaker 6: and state court in New York, where it's not. I
Speaker 6: really do think we need to come forward to the
Speaker 6: twenty first century and start televising these things because otherwise,
Speaker 6: well all the conspiracy theorists out there, there's just a
Speaker 6: made up narrative, alternate facts, and you don't get the
Speaker 6: real scoop of what's going on. And it's so easy
Speaker 6: to put cameras in there. I mean, come on, we're
Speaker 6: not living in nineteen fifties anymore. This is easy to do.
Speaker 6: And I think the federal courts and the state New
Speaker 6: York courts should get over themselves and just you know,
Speaker 6: just allow people to see behind the walls there.
Speaker 3: You're here, Well, that's there's a lot there.
Speaker 2: Dave, and I sure, hope that would happen, although I
Speaker 2: don't have very high hopes.
Speaker 3: Georgia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the rest we'll see. But we've got business to
Speaker 2: take care of on Monday. And I wonder your thoughts
Speaker 2: on this move by Mark Meadows to move this to
Speaker 2: federal court. The US District judge in Atlanta will hear
Speaker 2: arguments over this on Monday.
Speaker 3: What's going to happen?
Speaker 6: You know, I think it's about a twenty percent chance
Speaker 6: he succeeds. Now, his chance of moving it to to
Speaker 6: a federal court, which is called removal, is better than
Speaker 6: any other of the nineteen defendants because Mark Meadows was
Speaker 6: working for the government at the time he did this,
Speaker 6: and he was setting up meetings like his job. And
Speaker 6: but the problem for Meadows is that the meetings he
Speaker 6: was setting up were not for Trump to be Trump
Speaker 6: as president. It was Trump as a candidate. It was
Speaker 6: trying to overturn the election. That's not under the color
Speaker 6: of the law, as they say, that's not a proper
Speaker 6: duty for the president or for the chief of staff.
Speaker 6: And in Fannie Willis's indictment, in her forty one kind indictments,
Speaker 6: she was pretty clear that Mark Medows was doing things
Speaker 6: that were way beyond his proper role as chief of staff.
Speaker 6: He was going to other states talking to state legislators
Speaker 6: about overturning the election. So I think it's unlikely he succeeds,
Speaker 6: but he definitely has the best chance of any of
Speaker 6: them to get it done. And even if it does succeed,
Speaker 6: keep in mind, it just means that they won't be
Speaker 6: cameras in the courtroom. It will be a federal judge,
Speaker 6: a more conservative jury pool, but it will still be
Speaker 6: a state prosecution under state laws. And the conviction, if
Speaker 6: there is one, will be pardon proof. It cannot be
Speaker 6: pardoned by a president.
Speaker 3: Fascinating stuff here. By the way, there's more on Monday.
Speaker 2: This really gives us a sense of what our future
Speaker 2: is like here for the next year. Judge Chuckkin is
Speaker 2: going to hold her first hearing in the election interference
Speaker 2: case here in Washington, expected to announce a trial date
Speaker 2: and schedule.
Speaker 3: What's your thought there, Dave.
Speaker 6: I think that's going to be the first trial to go.
Speaker 6: Judge chuck In. Yeah, she's like on a rocket docket.
Speaker 6: She is not putting up with any guph and she's
Speaker 6: moving forward, and I expect that to be the first trial,
Speaker 6: and I think that will happen before the election. And
Speaker 6: if you twist my arm, I think the other trial
Speaker 6: before the election will be the New York trial, which
Speaker 6: is the weakest of the four cases surrounding Trump. I
Speaker 6: think the Document's case, which I think is the strongest
Speaker 6: case of the four, won't happen until after the election.
Speaker 6: Same with the Fulton County case, the Cheeseborough slash Chesburro
Speaker 6: case that's being separated from the others, and that's gonna
Speaker 6: happen in late October, so we'll see that. But as
Speaker 6: far as Trump, I don't think he gets put on
Speaker 6: trial for his Rico case in Georgia until after the election.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: But that means that something happens before the election, because
Speaker 2: there does seem to be this growing belief, Dave, that
Speaker 2: none of these trials will begin until after we vote
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 6: No, I think you'll have two criminal trials completed, and
Speaker 6: I think you will have the civil cases completed, which
Speaker 6: is the one in New York with the Attorney General,
Speaker 6: which is a civil case, not a criminal one, and
Speaker 6: then you have another trial in e Gen Carroll defamation case.
Speaker 6: So you're going to still have a bunch of things
Speaker 6: before the election, and you know, the Republican primary voters
Speaker 6: will get to decide whether they want someone who has
Speaker 6: been convicted or acquitted or a Hungary to be their
Speaker 6: nominee by then, and it looks like they're all ready
Speaker 6: to support someone even if he's convicted. I mean even
Speaker 6: his opponents would support him if he's convicted. So there's that.
Speaker 2: So when does flipper season begin? Dave, You look at
Speaker 2: all of those mugshots eighteen co defendants. I know it's
Speaker 2: not going to be Rooty Juliani, but when are we
Speaker 2: talking about somebody who cuts a.
Speaker 6: Deal sooner than later. The reason why Fani willis my
Speaker 6: counterpart there in Fulton County indicted nineteen people was she
Speaker 6: was hoping that some of them are going to flip
Speaker 6: early on. I don't think it's possible to have a
Speaker 6: trial of all nineteen at the same time unless you
Speaker 6: do it in the Atlanta Hawks arena, And so I
Speaker 6: think that she will get a bunch to flip. There's
Speaker 6: an adage first in first to win, the first one
Speaker 6: through the prosecutor's door gets the best deal, and then
Speaker 6: she'll use them as key witnesses against the others. So hey,
Speaker 6: business is open. I think you'll start to see people
Speaker 6: start going through her door because time's a waste them.
Speaker 2: That's going to be a big day when that happens.
Speaker 2: In the meantime, you look at a day like Monday
Speaker 2: and you just get a sense of how crowded the
Speaker 2: schedule is going to be. How busy is Donald Trump's
Speaker 2: legal team going to be as it tries to address
Speaker 2: four trials, four cases, actually even more than that at once,
Speaker 2: or are they going to be separate legal teams for
Speaker 2: the duration?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 6: I think he is separating them up a bit. He
Speaker 6: has the criminal team, he's got civil, and then there's
Speaker 6: four different criminal cases. I mean, I don't know anyone
Speaker 6: who's ever faced this kind of legal threat of civil
Speaker 6: and criminal, and of course, at the same time he's
Speaker 6: running for this important position with presidents. I don't know
Speaker 6: how he does it all, but he's going to do it,
Speaker 6: and I think it just means that it's going to
Speaker 6: be so much harder for him to prevail in a
Speaker 6: general election. Yes, this stuff helps him in a primary.
Speaker 6: His base loves it. I mean, nothing fuels the mag
Speaker 6: of movement than martyrdom in grievance, but that doesn't work
Speaker 6: in a general election. You got all these suburban moms
Speaker 6: out there who are looking at this like, hey, this
Speaker 6: is nuts. And so I don't think this is going
Speaker 6: to go well for him in the end politically, and
Speaker 6: I think he will be found guilty of at least
Speaker 6: some of these charges, like over ninety of them if
Speaker 6: you combine in the four cases.
Speaker 2: Amazing and always a great conversation with Dave Ehrenberg. We
Speaker 2: learned something every time we talked the state attorney for
Speaker 2: Palm Beach County, Dave. Great to have you back and
Speaker 2: thank you.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people still stuck on six ' three,
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifteen pounds.
Speaker 3: I guess strawberry or blonde is how you.
Speaker 2: Would describe the hair right front page of the New
Speaker 2: York Post today. Pretty remarkable, no headline, just the mugshot.
Speaker 2: As we assemble our panel here on a Friday, Rick
Speaker 2: Davis and Jeanie Shanzeno or with us here of course,
Speaker 2: Bloomberg Politics contributors. Happy Friday to both of you. It's
Speaker 2: not the first time we've had an event like this
Speaker 2: where we knew exactly what was going to happen. No
Speaker 2: surprise is yet it was still remarkable to watch because
Speaker 2: of the historical significance here. Genie, I guess self reporting
Speaker 2: your your your height, and your weight, though, is a
Speaker 2: pretty good thing for Donald Trump. I guess it could
Speaker 2: have gone worse at the jail yesterday.
Speaker 9: Huh, that's right. And you know, I personally am in
Speaker 9: favor of all self reporting of height and weight, so
Speaker 9: I have to back him on that one. I too,
Speaker 9: am a strawberry blonde. You know it was you know,
Speaker 9: you look at you look at that picture, and you know,
Speaker 9: you know, somebody described it looked like he was going
Speaker 9: to headbut somebody it looks menacing, glowering. You know, it is.
Speaker 9: It is quite remarkable, and it's hard to argue with
Speaker 9: people who say, out of all the billions of pictures
Speaker 9: taken up, Donald Trump over the years. This is the
Speaker 9: one that will sustain beyond the campaign and the mugs and.
Speaker 7: The T shirts.
Speaker 9: It is quite stark reminder of this chaotic presidency, this
Speaker 9: chaotic post presidency, and where we are in America today
Speaker 9: in a very sad way.
Speaker 2: Well, what do you think, Rick, somebody talked to him,
Speaker 2: I'm assuming about the way he would do this. He
Speaker 2: clearly was mugging if you will in the mirror before
Speaker 2: the shot. Would you have told your candidate to smile?
Speaker 8: God, I hope.
Speaker 10: I'm never in the position to advise a candidate who's
Speaker 10: getting indeted to do anything that's just actually just the
Speaker 10: question shocking.
Speaker 3: We actually found something that hasn't done everyone.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean just just nuts. Yeah, I mean, this
Speaker 10: is a face he's used before, right, I mean, this
Speaker 10: is his scal I saw a Maggie Haberman interview, who
Speaker 10: watches Donald Trump closer than anybody I know, and She's like, yeah,
Speaker 10: he practices that all the time. I've seen it throughout
Speaker 10: the years. You know, this is sort of a catch,
Speaker 10: you know, look for for Donald Trump. So it's nothing new,
Speaker 10: and I'm sure a lot of it is like what
Speaker 10: do I want on the T shirt? At the end
Speaker 10: of the day, because that's the way he thinks, Right,
Speaker 10: what am I going to make out of this? So
Speaker 10: you know, it's I think the whole thing was just
Speaker 10: sort of a circus in the sense that, you know,
Speaker 10: he knew what was going to happen, everybody else knew
Speaker 10: what was going to happen, and there was actually no surprises.
Speaker 10: I mean, I don't think anything happened that anybody's actually
Speaker 10: waking up today saying wow, I'm surprised by that, to see.
Speaker 2: The prisoner number, to see the mugshot, although that is
Speaker 2: the old apprentice look, right. We used to see it
Speaker 2: every night, and certainly he has been honing that look
Speaker 2: for a long time. It's it's gonna help him raise money. Geenie,
Speaker 2: we're already looking. You knew this was coming. The merchandising
Speaker 2: has already begun here, and we're going I guess, from
Speaker 2: twelve dollars for the bumper sticker to thirty six dollars
Speaker 2: for the long sleeved T shirt.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you'll have the crop tops and so forth.
Speaker 2: Is this actually gonna make money for him?
Speaker 9: Yeah, don't don't talk about crop tops, Joe. It is
Speaker 9: going to make money that he desperately needs because of
Speaker 9: course his legal bills are enormous, and it's not just
Speaker 9: his legal bills, it's his you know, co conspirators, it's
Speaker 9: it's witnesses, it's others. So he desperately needs that money.
Speaker 9: And Joe, I know you've been paying close attention to
Speaker 9: truth Social but of course last night just went on
Speaker 9: X for the first time in a long time and
Speaker 9: posted that much shot. All the way down from New Jersey.
Speaker 9: He was reminding people that he's going to be arrested,
Speaker 9: which is not quite accurate when he got down to Georgia.
Speaker 9: So they understand the need to make as much money
Speaker 9: as they can off of this, and they're going to
Speaker 9: be pushing for it. You know, I think it's, you know,
Speaker 9: making lemonade out of lemons, I guess, is what he's
Speaker 9: trying to do.
Speaker 2: The former president did hold an interview. He might have
Speaker 2: heard me mention this at the beginning of the hour.
Speaker 2: I went on Newsmax, called in very late, but got
Speaker 2: on there to talk about what kind of a day
Speaker 2: he had.
Speaker 4: You know, I went to an experience today that I
Speaker 4: never thought i'd have to go to. But then I've
Speaker 4: gone through the same experience three other times. In my
Speaker 4: whole life, I didn't know anything about indictment, and now
Speaker 4: I've been indicted like four times.
Speaker 2: When he was asked again about how all of this
Speaker 2: went yesterday inside the Fulton County jail, he said it
Speaker 2: was terrible, but he was treated very well. That image
Speaker 2: is likely to become a touchstone of the campaign. It
Speaker 2: already is, and based on what we were just discussing
Speaker 2: with Rick and Jennie, it could be a money maker.
Speaker 2: There's a new poll out as well today that I
Speaker 2: want to mention Politico magazine getting together with IPSOS.
Speaker 3: Does everyone have a poll?
Speaker 2: I guess so at this point showing this is a
Speaker 2: remarkable number and something I was hoping to ask Rick
Speaker 2: and Genie about. Roughly sixty percent of Americans think the
Speaker 2: cases against Donald Trump on the mishandling of classified documents
Speaker 2: and attempting to overturn the election results, those two cases
Speaker 2: should go to trial before the election. And we know
Speaker 2: that Fani Willis wants to get this done starting in October,
Speaker 2: which is probably not likely, but if you just listened
Speaker 2: to Dave Ehrenberg, he actually thinks at least two of
Speaker 2: these trials could be complete by the time we get
Speaker 2: to the election. We'll have more on some of the
Speaker 2: other elements of this poll. This day, after Donald Trump
Speaker 2: turned himself in to be booked on criminal charges over
Speaker 2: his efforts again allegedly to overturn the election results.
Speaker 3: Rick Davis is back with us here.
Speaker 2: Rick, I was trying to put the pieces together on
Speaker 2: what's going to be an incredibly busy Monday. We've got
Speaker 2: hearings in two different cities, two different cases. This is
Speaker 2: the very scenario that you were talking about that's going
Speaker 2: to be very difficult for this campaign to manage. In
Speaker 2: the throes of a presidential campaign effort. There could be
Speaker 2: days where we have four hearings at once. How do
Speaker 2: you map all of that out? How do you prepare
Speaker 2: to address all of this at once while remaining in
Speaker 2: front of the voters.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 10: No, this is like a campaign manager's worst nightmare. Not
Speaker 10: only is your candidate taken out of the political domain
Speaker 10: and put into a courtroom or in this case, that
Speaker 10: you have to devote resources of your campaign money and
Speaker 10: people to dealing with these issues, about all the preparatory
Speaker 10: work that has to be done with the Canada's time.
Speaker 9: So you know, you.
Speaker 10: Usually, you know, moan and groan over debates.
Speaker 11: Oh you got a you know, an hour a day
Speaker 11: for a week, we got a debate prep You imagine
Speaker 11: the enormous amount of time it takes for these lawyers
Speaker 11: to sit down with Donald Trump, who is a micro
Speaker 11: manager in the worst day, right, I.
Speaker 10: Mean, like, he's not going to let these guys say
Speaker 10: one thing in court that he hasn't approved, which means
Speaker 10: hours and hours a day of legal phone calls and
Speaker 10: zooms where the candidate himself has to be so distracted
Speaker 10: that he's got to focus on his own legal problems
Speaker 10: and that will affect his performance on the stump. He'll
Speaker 10: go out into a big rally and all he's gonna
Speaker 10: want to do is talk about his trials, because that's
Speaker 10: all he's talked about all day long. I mean, it's
Speaker 10: going to be a nightmare for the campaign staff.
Speaker 3: How do you do it?
Speaker 2: Jeannie also back with a Genie shanzeno, how do you
Speaker 2: even plan a week around all of these court dates?
Speaker 2: I mean, we're going to be talking more about the
Speaker 2: court dates than what he's doing as a presidential candidate.
Speaker 9: That's right, And you know, I feel badly for his
Speaker 9: campaign staff. It is mind boggling to imagine any individual
Speaker 9: having the wherewithal the energy to devote to one of
Speaker 9: these trials, let alone for let alone trying to run
Speaker 9: for president again. It's it's mind numbing to think about.
Speaker 9: I don't know how you plan for it, but I
Speaker 9: do agree with Rick, We're going to hear an awful
Speaker 9: lot those times he does get on the campaign trail
Speaker 9: about these trials. And of course the loser in all
Speaker 9: of this is the American public, and I think also
Speaker 9: the Republican Party because this just devastates their chances in
Speaker 9: so many avenues, and not just at the top of
Speaker 9: the ticket, but think about the US Senate, where they
Speaker 9: really should pick up in twenty four. They are at
Speaker 9: risk now in the House and as we go down ballot.
Speaker 9: So it's a disaster for the Republican Party. I think
Speaker 9: it's this continues at the rate it is, and what
Speaker 9: we saw last night with the circus following him to
Speaker 9: Atlanta and back, well, it's.
Speaker 2: Going to be a circus for the next year at least,
Speaker 2: probably longer. And thank god we've got Rick Davis and
Speaker 2: Jeanie Shanzeto to help us survive all of it, because
Speaker 2: We're going to need some serious analysis along the way,
Speaker 2: and you know you can count on that. Here they're
Speaker 2: back with more next, because we haven't heard much from
Speaker 2: President Biden. He's still on vacation at Lake Tahoe, even
Speaker 2: as the administration gets together with others in the financial community,
Speaker 2: including of course the Federal Reserve and Jackson Hole to
Speaker 2: talk Bidenomics inflation, and that's all coming up next.
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Speaker 2: I won't kill you at the economics here, but it's
Speaker 2: obviously a pretty big deal. On the campaign trail, we
Speaker 2: heard a lot about the economy from Republican candidates on
Speaker 2: the debate stage the other night. Joe Biden's try and
Speaker 2: like heck to sell Bidenomics. Is the Fed going to
Speaker 2: make this impossible for him?
Speaker 3: Or or will the Fed enable him by orchestrating a
Speaker 3: soft landing? I guess is the question.
Speaker 8: You know, it's interesting I looked into this a while ago,
Speaker 8: and the research shows that unemployment obviously hurts a politician
Speaker 8: who's running for reelection somewhat like you know that you
Speaker 8: can see people lose reelection because unemployment was too high,
Speaker 8: but inflation is way worse. People really get mad at
Speaker 8: incumbents when inflation is bad. So I think, you know,
Speaker 8: even though that dual mandate makes it a little tricky
Speaker 8: when you're trying to fight inflation and keep them you know,
Speaker 8: unemployment and of manage both of those, I think it's
Speaker 8: really in his best interest that they do whatever it
Speaker 8: takes to get inflation down. And if real wages are
Speaker 8: growing at the same time, which they keep ragging about
Speaker 8: and we've seen in some of the recent numbers but
Speaker 8: we haven't seen in the polling numbers, then you know,
Speaker 8: if by this time next year people start to feel
Speaker 8: that their dollar is going further, then that should help
Speaker 8: him with his reelection.
Speaker 2: So Leicester's line, a master's line, easy for me to say,
Speaker 2: is exactly what the administration wants.
Speaker 7: Theoretically, though, I've had many conversations with people who say
Speaker 7: the credit that you get when the economy is doing
Speaker 7: well is actually far less than the blame you will
Speaker 7: get when it is not. So even if we see
Speaker 7: an improvement in the economy, it might not actually register
Speaker 7: in the minds of voters to the extent that dissatisfaction
Speaker 7: with the economy does. So obviously, this is something that
Speaker 7: I'm sure we can expect Republicans to continue beating on
Speaker 7: the campaign trail talking about Bidenomics and the current president.
Speaker 7: But while we were focused on that and Jackson Hole,
Speaker 7: today we were focused on the former president and Fulton County.
Speaker 7: Yesterday we got the mug shot Ryan, is it working
Speaker 7: for him?
Speaker 8: You know, if you remember, there was a photo where
Speaker 8: Angela Merkele was like, you know, trying to like convince
Speaker 8: Trump of something, and he's sitting at a desk with
Speaker 8: his arms crossed, and and that photo to me, just
Speaker 8: encapsulated everything about Trump. Because if you hated Trump, that
Speaker 8: just summed it up. Look, there's like all of Europe
Speaker 8: basically yelling at Trump and he's racalcitrant, right, And if
Speaker 8: you like Trump, that photo summarized everything you liked about Trump.
Speaker 3: Look, here's all of Europe yelling at Trump.
Speaker 8: He's trent, right. So I think that that mugshot is
Speaker 8: the same way like it's just a it's a rorshack.
Speaker 8: It's like a national rorshack. You either you look at
Speaker 8: this and you either think, h look at this guy,
Speaker 8: or you look you look at it and you go, oh,
Speaker 8: look at this guy. Right like you, there's no in between.
Speaker 8: And I don't think that it helps him or hurts him. Obviously,
Speaker 8: his campaign is selling merchandise with it on it. And
Speaker 8: he's not alone in that. Rick Perry was arrested and
Speaker 8: had a mug shot and had his campaign put out
Speaker 8: T shirts with his mug shot on one side and
Speaker 8: a DUI that the DA who had authorized the charges
Speaker 8: against him on the other.
Speaker 1: Side of it.
Speaker 3: To blaze the trail.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean and actually really blazing the day.
Speaker 3: Eugene V.
Speaker 8: Dabs, who ran for president as a socialist in nineteen
Speaker 8: twenty from prison, had buttons campaign buttons showing what was
Speaker 8: essentially a mug shot for him and his inmate number
Speaker 8: on it.
Speaker 2: I just wonder what Donald Trump, which one Trump had
Speaker 2: in his mind. There's the famous Frank Sinatra mug shot.
Speaker 2: You can buy posters of that anywhere. There's also the
Speaker 2: John Gotti mug shot, and he owned that with a
Speaker 2: big grin and a lot of folks thought Donald Trump
Speaker 2: might do the same thing. I wonder if he did
Speaker 2: in fact plan for that, if he was practicing that
Speaker 2: in the mirror, or if he had such a bad
Speaker 2: time in that stinky jail and he was actually really angry.
Speaker 8: Now I think that he wanted the stern look. You know,
Speaker 8: prosecutors have said it's very risky to smile in a
Speaker 8: mug shot because it can it can send the message
Speaker 8: that you don't take the charge seriously, and jury's may
Speaker 8: punish you for that. I know that two of the
Speaker 8: people who were his also indicted in Georgia. Two of
Speaker 8: them were smiling, and one of them is the former
Speaker 8: head of the state Goop who then made that his
Speaker 8: Twitter profile pick his mugshot and he is smiling, right,
Speaker 8: And so those those folks are definitely doing that. Johnna
Speaker 8: elis the other that that can make a jury mad
Speaker 8: at you if they think that you just think this
Speaker 8: is all a joke, and especially damaging for people like
Speaker 8: pulled over for a dui. That's part of the other
Speaker 8: thing where most mugshots are not. You don't get the
Speaker 8: chance to show up. You get pulled over because you
Speaker 8: were drinking and driving and and you know the James
Speaker 8: Brown mugshot, it's like.
Speaker 2: It's usually the worst of your life, or Nick Nolty,
Speaker 2: it's the worst day of your life, and you don't
Speaker 2: look good in it.
Speaker 8: And so the fact that he's allowed to sort of
Speaker 8: pick out the outfit and put on the flag pin
Speaker 8: and those kinds of things and show up at it
Speaker 8: when he wants, I think this is a much more
Speaker 8: of a staged photo than your typical mug shot.
Speaker 7: Well, and Fannie Willis kind of said that when Mark
Speaker 7: Meadows was fighting the deadline of today at noon, when
Speaker 7: he didn't want to have to show up, then she said,
Speaker 7: I've been very generous in her response that we had
Speaker 7: two full weeks for you guys to show up, and
Speaker 7: kind of speaks to your exact point. Ryan, just quickly
Speaker 7: you said that you don't think the mugshot really like
Speaker 7: moves the needle for the president in any way, did
Speaker 7: anyone really move the needle this week? Because of course
Speaker 7: that wasn't the only event. We got the debate behind
Speaker 7: us as well.
Speaker 8: We had the debate, and it was a weird debate
Speaker 8: because Trump was sort of a spectral presence at it.
Speaker 8: It was more of a seance really to see if
Speaker 8: they could sort of bring his spirit into the room.
Speaker 8: And he did come knocking a few times, but it
Speaker 8: really was it was odd for how much of the
Speaker 8: debate didn't focus on Trump see ahead by four points,
Speaker 8: and how you know, there were a couple of candidates
Speaker 8: who were willing to get in their digs at him,
Speaker 8: Isa Hutchinsay and Chris Christ obviously Mike Pens to some extent,
Speaker 8: but really a lot more I thought a lot more
Speaker 8: potential there for Avek Ramaswami, who was just has so
Speaker 8: little known name recognition. He had a lot more to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he seems to be on the ascent. We'll see
Speaker 2: how long that lasts and who gets on the debate
Speaker 2: stage also in.
Speaker 7: September twenty seventh.
Speaker 3: We really need to rest up for September.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's been the theme of this hour. Kaylee,
Speaker 2: Ryan teeg Beck with always a great pleasure. Thank you,
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