1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch us 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg dot com, the 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app and the Bloomberg Business app, or listen on 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: demand wherever you get your podcast. 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: It lasted all of twenty minutes. A big surrender yesterday 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 2: in Atlanta, Donald J. Trump, prisoner number P zero one, 7 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: one three, five eighth nine in the Fulton County Jail. 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: Pretty remarkable to see it happen, even though we knew 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: it was all going to happen. 10 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 3: As I read from the terminal. 11 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: Shortly after we entered the facility, his name appeared in 12 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: its database, recording his height as six ' three apparently 13 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: self reported, and weight of two hundred and fifteen pounds 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: not bad, hair color as blonde or strawberry, and assigned 15 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: in inmate number. Donald Trump spoke to reporters on the 16 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: tarmac as he got back to the airport following his life. 17 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 4: When you have that great freedom to challenge, you have 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 4: to be able to otherwise you can have very dishonest elections. 19 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 3: What has taken place here is a travesty of justice. 20 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: We did nothing wrong. I did nothing. 21 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: Wrong, and he did an interview later on on Newsmax, 22 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: talking about the whole experience. Even as the mug shot 23 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: was turned into merchandise, and you saw this coming, they 24 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: were selling fake versions of the mug shot. 25 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 3: At one point. 26 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: Indeed, the Trump Save America Joint fundraising Committee out with 27 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: T shirts, mugs, beverage coolers, bumper stickers, and other merchandise. 28 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: Twelve dollars for the bumper sticker up to thirty six 29 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: that's the premium long sleeve T shirt. Former president asked 30 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: on Newsmax a couple hours after. I guess he got 31 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: home by the time he did the interview, because they 32 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 2: sure waited around for a while. 33 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 3: What was it like in jail, mister President. 34 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: Terrible experience. 35 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 4: I came in. I was treated very nicely, but it 36 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 4: is what it is. I took a mugshot, which I 37 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 4: never heard the words mugshot. That was didn't teach me 38 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 4: that the works. 39 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: I'm thinking he did know about the mugshot, didn't Rudy 40 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: tell him. So we have a couple of voices to 41 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: help us understand what's going on here. It's Eric Larson, 42 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: of course, Bloomberg Legal reporter. We're going to talk next 43 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 2: as well with the State attorney for Palm Beach County, 44 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: mister Dave Ehrenberg. Eric joins us from World Headquarters in 45 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: New York, Eric Larson, Great to have you back. Not 46 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 2: a lot really happened yesterday. It was a twenty minute affair. 47 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: But to actually see the mugshot, to see the expression 48 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 2: on his face, to watch it all happen in what, 49 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: by the way, is not a very nice jail, was 50 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: quite remarkable. What do you think the experience was like 51 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: for him when we couldn't see inside, I'd say. 52 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 5: It was probably a bit humbling for mister Trump, probably 53 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 5: like it is for anyone who's going into a jail 54 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 5: to be booked, but probably more so for him. He 55 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 5: wasn't booked quite like that, and didn't have his mugshot 56 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 5: taken in the three other criminal cases that he's facing, 57 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 5: of course, and this was his first time, and there 58 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 5: was also, of course a question about whether or not 59 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 5: he even would have a mugshot taken. I'm sure his 60 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 5: lawyers probably tried pretty hard to negotiate that away, but 61 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 5: it didn't happen, And of course we see from the 62 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 5: expression on his face he was looking pretty stern and defiant, 63 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 5: and I think he's doing his best to use the 64 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 5: image to his advantage, but I'm sure it was pretty humbling. 65 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,279 Speaker 2: We should note, Eric, the deadline has passed. Everyone did surrender, correct. 66 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 5: That is correct. All nineteen defendants in the case have 67 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 5: now surrendered. They've been booked. One individual at Harrison Floyd, 68 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 5: he's the former director of Black Voices for Trump, did 69 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 5: not reach a bond and is currently in custody, so 70 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 5: we'll see what happens with that. But everyone else was 71 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 5: able to get a bond agreement and was able to 72 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 5: leave the jail after their booking. 73 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: So the surrender date August twenty four. Here, we do 74 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: not have an arraignment date set apparently. How's that going 75 00:03:59,080 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: to work? 76 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 5: We don't know. We don't have any dates yet other 77 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 5: than the one that Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis 78 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 5: gave when she said that she envisions the arraignments happening 79 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 5: the week of September fifth, which is a Tuesday after 80 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 5: our holiday. So theoretically she could be planning for all 81 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 5: of them to happen that week, or that could just 82 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 5: be the start of arraignments happening. We're not exactly sure, 83 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 5: but that's The big question when will these arraignments happen, 84 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 5: When will especially mister Trump appear in court in Atlanta 85 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 5: to enter his plea, presumably of not guilty. 86 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: They do them differently in Georgia. Right in Fulton County, 87 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 2: because we've seen him showing up for arraignments. In this case, 88 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 2: they had him go to the jail. Is that what 89 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 2: would have happened to anybody else? 90 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, he was treated just like everyone else in Fulton 91 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 5: County as far as we can tell. In other cases 92 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 5: in New York, in Washington, Federal Court in Florida and 93 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 5: federal court. You know, he was able to sort of 94 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 5: go in and do a fingerprinting and be formally sort 95 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 5: of booked at the court just before for his arraignment. 96 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 5: So didn't work out for him that way quite here. 97 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 5: So as much as yesterday was a circus with this 98 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 5: twenty minutes in jail, it's going to be even more 99 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 5: so when he actually arrives in court to go before 100 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 5: a judge and enter his plea. And I think it's 101 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 5: going to be a much more significant day, you. 102 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: Better believe it. Eric. 103 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for all of your great reporting 104 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: and analysis here throughout the process. We actually got four 105 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: of them done with Eric Larson, and I would argue 106 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 2: we got four done with Dave Ehrenberg. He's back with 107 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: us now State attorney for Palm Beach County. David's great 108 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: to see you, always a pleasure to talk. I'm wondering 109 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: your thoughts. I don't know if you've ever been in 110 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: the Fulton County jail. For your sake, I hope not, 111 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: because I'm told as I read here, this is not 112 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 2: a very nice place. It stinks, it's probably not very clean. 113 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: Former president walks in there with the shiny shoes and 114 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 2: the suit on. I don't know what he was plenty 115 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 2: to do in that mug shop, but he sure didn't 116 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: look happy about what was going on. 117 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 6: He did not be back with you. By the way, 118 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 6: I'm also six foot three, two fifteen and my other 119 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 6: I knew that right. 120 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: You know. 121 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 6: My other car is a Lamborghini, you know, so the 122 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 6: one you don't see me drive. I wasn't totally surprised 123 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 6: that he took the mug shot that he was forced to, 124 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 6: but keep in mind it was optional. Really, the sheriff 125 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 6: has a discretion, and the sheriff could have just said 126 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 6: we're not doing it, just like it was waived in 127 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 6: the other jurisdictions. And the reason why he didn't need 128 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 6: to take one is because the mugshot is really used 129 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 6: to in case you go on the lamb, in case 130 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 6: you're become become a fugitive and they need to identify you. 131 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 6: But when you're the most famous slash infamous person in 132 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,119 Speaker 6: the world, there's really no need to have the mug shot. 133 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 6: So yeah, I thought it was interesting that he took one. 134 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 6: I'm not surprised you only spent twenty hour, twenty minutes 135 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 6: in that rat infested jail. Perhaps this will be an 136 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 6: impetus for authorities to look at that place a little 137 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 6: more closely. It's supposed to be one of the worst 138 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 6: in the country. 139 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, he had to have practiced the mug shot, right, 140 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 2: He was doing that in the mirror. He knew exactly 141 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 2: what that was gonna look like. Am I wrong? 142 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 7: Well? 143 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 6: I thought going in he was going to do the 144 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 6: Tom Delay thing. Remember Tom DeLay's mug shot, which he 145 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 6: had a right smile, right, he wore his congressional pan. 146 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 6: It looked like his congressional headshot. But it's his mugshot. Now, 147 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 6: I do agree. I think this was rehearsed in practice. 148 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 6: I was surprised he went with a menacing look. He 149 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 6: and Rudy Giuliani. Yeah, but you know, it wasn't the 150 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 6: worst of all of them. I thought it was pretty bad, 151 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 6: but I thought the worst was John Eastman, and even worse, 152 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 6: perhaps was Sidney Palell. Did you see hers? 153 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 5: Ye? 154 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. 155 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 6: That one looked a little bit like the movie poster 156 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 6: for a clockwork orange Malcolm McDowell, did you remember that? 157 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 8: Are you old enough? 158 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 3: Yes? I am. I would not have gone there. But 159 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 3: that's why we bring. 160 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: In Dave Ehrenberg for these beautiful analogies. By the way, 161 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: if you haven't seen The Batman Bad Guy mock, they've 162 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: put this together on social media each and you know, 163 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: they've made Rudy into the penguin. That's it's actually, it's 164 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: just remarkable, this world of social media we live in. 165 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 3: Where would we do this otherwise? But Dave, what happens next? 166 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: They're going to have to have an arraignment, as we 167 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: were discussing with Eric Larsen, So he's going to be 168 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: back there in a couple of weeks. 169 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, so in Georgia, just like in Florida, you have 170 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 6: the first appearance and then you come back to the arrangement. 171 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 6: We saw them both combined in the federal cases. But yeah, 172 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 6: I do think it'll be a bigger deal when he 173 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 6: comes in and he has to say not guilty. He 174 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 6: will be pleading not guilty, and and that should be televised. 175 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 6: If that's the benefit of this case. In Georgia, everything 176 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 6: should be transparent and televised, as compared to federal court 177 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 6: and state court in New York, where it's not. I 178 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 6: really do think we need to come forward to the 179 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 6: twenty first century and start televising these things because otherwise, 180 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 6: well all the conspiracy theorists out there, there's just a 181 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 6: made up narrative, alternate facts, and you don't get the 182 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 6: real scoop of what's going on. And it's so easy 183 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 6: to put cameras in there. I mean, come on, we're 184 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 6: not living in nineteen fifties anymore. This is easy to do. 185 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 6: And I think the federal courts and the state New 186 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 6: York courts should get over themselves and just you know, 187 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 6: just allow people to see behind the walls there. 188 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: You're here, Well, that's there's a lot there. 189 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: Dave, and I sure, hope that would happen, although I 190 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 2: don't have very high hopes. 191 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 3: Georgia. 192 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, the rest we'll see. But we've got business to 193 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: take care of on Monday. And I wonder your thoughts 194 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: on this move by Mark Meadows to move this to 195 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: federal court. The US District judge in Atlanta will hear 196 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: arguments over this on Monday. 197 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 3: What's going to happen? 198 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 6: You know, I think it's about a twenty percent chance 199 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 6: he succeeds. Now, his chance of moving it to to 200 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 6: a federal court, which is called removal, is better than 201 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 6: any other of the nineteen defendants because Mark Meadows was 202 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 6: working for the government at the time he did this, 203 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 6: and he was setting up meetings like his job. And 204 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 6: but the problem for Meadows is that the meetings he 205 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 6: was setting up were not for Trump to be Trump 206 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 6: as president. It was Trump as a candidate. It was 207 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 6: trying to overturn the election. That's not under the color 208 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 6: of the law, as they say, that's not a proper 209 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 6: duty for the president or for the chief of staff. 210 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 6: And in Fannie Willis's indictment, in her forty one kind indictments, 211 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 6: she was pretty clear that Mark Medows was doing things 212 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 6: that were way beyond his proper role as chief of staff. 213 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 6: He was going to other states talking to state legislators 214 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 6: about overturning the election. So I think it's unlikely he succeeds, 215 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 6: but he definitely has the best chance of any of 216 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 6: them to get it done. And even if it does succeed, 217 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 6: keep in mind, it just means that they won't be 218 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 6: cameras in the courtroom. It will be a federal judge, 219 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 6: a more conservative jury pool, but it will still be 220 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 6: a state prosecution under state laws. And the conviction, if 221 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 6: there is one, will be pardon proof. It cannot be 222 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 6: pardoned by a president. 223 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 3: Fascinating stuff here. By the way, there's more on Monday. 224 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 2: This really gives us a sense of what our future 225 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 2: is like here for the next year. Judge Chuckkin is 226 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 2: going to hold her first hearing in the election interference 227 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: case here in Washington, expected to announce a trial date 228 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 2: and schedule. 229 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 3: What's your thought there, Dave. 230 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 6: I think that's going to be the first trial to go. 231 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 6: Judge chuck In. Yeah, she's like on a rocket docket. 232 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 6: She is not putting up with any guph and she's 233 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 6: moving forward, and I expect that to be the first trial, 234 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 6: and I think that will happen before the election. And 235 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 6: if you twist my arm, I think the other trial 236 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 6: before the election will be the New York trial, which 237 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 6: is the weakest of the four cases surrounding Trump. I 238 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 6: think the Document's case, which I think is the strongest 239 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 6: case of the four, won't happen until after the election. 240 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 6: Same with the Fulton County case, the Cheeseborough slash Chesburro 241 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 6: case that's being separated from the others, and that's gonna 242 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 6: happen in late October, so we'll see that. But as 243 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 6: far as Trump, I don't think he gets put on 244 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 6: trial for his Rico case in Georgia until after the election. 245 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 3: Wow. 246 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: But that means that something happens before the election, because 247 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: there does seem to be this growing belief, Dave, that 248 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 2: none of these trials will begin until after we vote 249 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. 250 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 6: No, I think you'll have two criminal trials completed, and 251 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 6: I think you will have the civil cases completed, which 252 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 6: is the one in New York with the Attorney General, 253 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 6: which is a civil case, not a criminal one, and 254 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 6: then you have another trial in e Gen Carroll defamation case. 255 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 6: So you're going to still have a bunch of things 256 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 6: before the election, and you know, the Republican primary voters 257 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 6: will get to decide whether they want someone who has 258 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 6: been convicted or acquitted or a Hungary to be their 259 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 6: nominee by then, and it looks like they're all ready 260 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 6: to support someone even if he's convicted. I mean even 261 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 6: his opponents would support him if he's convicted. So there's that. 262 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 2: So when does flipper season begin? Dave, You look at 263 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: all of those mugshots eighteen co defendants. I know it's 264 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: not going to be Rooty Juliani, but when are we 265 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: talking about somebody who cuts a. 266 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 6: Deal sooner than later. The reason why Fani willis my 267 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 6: counterpart there in Fulton County indicted nineteen people was she 268 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 6: was hoping that some of them are going to flip 269 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 6: early on. I don't think it's possible to have a 270 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 6: trial of all nineteen at the same time unless you 271 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 6: do it in the Atlanta Hawks arena, And so I 272 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 6: think that she will get a bunch to flip. There's 273 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 6: an adage first in first to win, the first one 274 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 6: through the prosecutor's door gets the best deal, and then 275 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 6: she'll use them as key witnesses against the others. So hey, 276 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 6: business is open. I think you'll start to see people 277 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 6: start going through her door because time's a waste them. 278 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 2: That's going to be a big day when that happens. 279 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: In the meantime, you look at a day like Monday 280 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 2: and you just get a sense of how crowded the 281 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: schedule is going to be. How busy is Donald Trump's 282 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: legal team going to be as it tries to address 283 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 2: four trials, four cases, actually even more than that at once, 284 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 2: or are they going to be separate legal teams for 285 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: the duration? 286 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: You know? 287 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 6: I think he is separating them up a bit. He 288 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 6: has the criminal team, he's got civil, and then there's 289 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 6: four different criminal cases. I mean, I don't know anyone 290 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 6: who's ever faced this kind of legal threat of civil 291 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 6: and criminal, and of course, at the same time he's 292 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 6: running for this important position with presidents. I don't know 293 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 6: how he does it all, but he's going to do it, 294 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 6: and I think it just means that it's going to 295 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 6: be so much harder for him to prevail in a 296 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 6: general election. Yes, this stuff helps him in a primary. 297 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 6: His base loves it. I mean, nothing fuels the mag 298 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 6: of movement than martyrdom in grievance, but that doesn't work 299 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 6: in a general election. You got all these suburban moms 300 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 6: out there who are looking at this like, hey, this 301 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 6: is nuts. And so I don't think this is going 302 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 6: to go well for him in the end politically, and 303 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 6: I think he will be found guilty of at least 304 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 6: some of these charges, like over ninety of them if 305 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 6: you combine in the four cases. 306 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: Amazing and always a great conversation with Dave Ehrenberg. We 307 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: learned something every time we talked the state attorney for 308 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: Palm Beach County, Dave. Great to have you back and 309 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 2: thank you. 310 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: You're listening to The Bloomberg Sound on podcast. 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Pretty remarkable, no headline, just the mugshot. 320 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: As we assemble our panel here on a Friday, Rick 321 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: Davis and Jeanie Shanzeno or with us here of course, 322 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Politics contributors. Happy Friday to both of you. It's 323 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: not the first time we've had an event like this 324 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: where we knew exactly what was going to happen. No 325 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: surprise is yet it was still remarkable to watch because 326 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: of the historical significance here. Genie, I guess self reporting 327 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: your your your height, and your weight, though, is a 328 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: pretty good thing for Donald Trump. I guess it could 329 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: have gone worse at the jail yesterday. 330 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 9: Huh, that's right. And you know, I personally am in 331 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 9: favor of all self reporting of height and weight, so 332 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 9: I have to back him on that one. I too, 333 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 9: am a strawberry blonde. You know it was you know, 334 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 9: you look at you look at that picture, and you know, 335 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 9: you know, somebody described it looked like he was going 336 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 9: to headbut somebody it looks menacing, glowering. You know, it is. 337 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 9: It is quite remarkable, and it's hard to argue with 338 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 9: people who say, out of all the billions of pictures 339 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 9: taken up, Donald Trump over the years. This is the 340 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 9: one that will sustain beyond the campaign and the mugs and. 341 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 7: The T shirts. 342 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 9: It is quite stark reminder of this chaotic presidency, this 343 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 9: chaotic post presidency, and where we are in America today 344 00:16:58,280 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 9: in a very sad way. 345 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 2: Well, what do you think, Rick, somebody talked to him, 346 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: I'm assuming about the way he would do this. He 347 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 2: clearly was mugging if you will in the mirror before 348 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 2: the shot. Would you have told your candidate to smile? 349 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 8: God, I hope. 350 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 10: I'm never in the position to advise a candidate who's 351 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 10: getting indeted to do anything that's just actually just the 352 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 10: question shocking. 353 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 3: We actually found something that hasn't done everyone. 354 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean just just nuts. Yeah, I mean, this 355 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 10: is a face he's used before, right, I mean, this 356 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 10: is his scal I saw a Maggie Haberman interview, who 357 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 10: watches Donald Trump closer than anybody I know, and She's like, yeah, 358 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 10: he practices that all the time. I've seen it throughout 359 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 10: the years. You know, this is sort of a catch, 360 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 10: you know, look for for Donald Trump. So it's nothing new, 361 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 10: and I'm sure a lot of it is like what 362 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 10: do I want on the T shirt? At the end 363 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 10: of the day, because that's the way he thinks, Right, 364 00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 10: what am I going to make out of this? So 365 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 10: you know, it's I think the whole thing was just 366 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 10: sort of a circus in the sense that, you know, 367 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 10: he knew what was going to happen, everybody else knew 368 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 10: what was going to happen, and there was actually no surprises. 369 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 10: I mean, I don't think anything happened that anybody's actually 370 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 10: waking up today saying wow, I'm surprised by that, to see. 371 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: The prisoner number, to see the mugshot, although that is 372 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 2: the old apprentice look, right. We used to see it 373 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: every night, and certainly he has been honing that look 374 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 2: for a long time. It's it's gonna help him raise money. Geenie, 375 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: we're already looking. You knew this was coming. The merchandising 376 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 2: has already begun here, and we're going I guess, from 377 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: twelve dollars for the bumper sticker to thirty six dollars 378 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 2: for the long sleeved T shirt. 379 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 3: I'm sure you'll have the crop tops and so forth. 380 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 2: Is this actually gonna make money for him? 381 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 9: Yeah, don't don't talk about crop tops, Joe. It is 382 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 9: going to make money that he desperately needs because of 383 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 9: course his legal bills are enormous, and it's not just 384 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 9: his legal bills, it's his you know, co conspirators, it's 385 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 9: it's witnesses, it's others. So he desperately needs that money. 386 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 9: And Joe, I know you've been paying close attention to 387 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 9: truth Social but of course last night just went on 388 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 9: X for the first time in a long time and 389 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 9: posted that much shot. All the way down from New Jersey. 390 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 9: He was reminding people that he's going to be arrested, 391 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 9: which is not quite accurate when he got down to Georgia. 392 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 9: So they understand the need to make as much money 393 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 9: as they can off of this, and they're going to 394 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,239 Speaker 9: be pushing for it. You know, I think it's, you know, 395 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 9: making lemonade out of lemons, I guess, is what he's 396 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 9: trying to do. 397 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 2: The former president did hold an interview. He might have 398 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 2: heard me mention this at the beginning of the hour. 399 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 2: I went on Newsmax, called in very late, but got 400 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: on there to talk about what kind of a day 401 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 2: he had. 402 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 4: You know, I went to an experience today that I 403 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 4: never thought i'd have to go to. But then I've 404 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 4: gone through the same experience three other times. In my 405 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 4: whole life, I didn't know anything about indictment, and now 406 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 4: I've been indicted like four times. 407 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: When he was asked again about how all of this 408 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 2: went yesterday inside the Fulton County jail, he said it 409 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: was terrible, but he was treated very well. That image 410 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: is likely to become a touchstone of the campaign. It 411 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: already is, and based on what we were just discussing 412 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: with Rick and Jennie, it could be a money maker. 413 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 2: There's a new poll out as well today that I 414 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: want to mention Politico magazine getting together with IPSOS. 415 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 3: Does everyone have a poll? 416 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: I guess so at this point showing this is a 417 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 2: remarkable number and something I was hoping to ask Rick 418 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 2: and Genie about. Roughly sixty percent of Americans think the 419 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 2: cases against Donald Trump on the mishandling of classified documents 420 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 2: and attempting to overturn the election results, those two cases 421 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: should go to trial before the election. And we know 422 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: that Fani Willis wants to get this done starting in October, 423 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 2: which is probably not likely, but if you just listened 424 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: to Dave Ehrenberg, he actually thinks at least two of 425 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 2: these trials could be complete by the time we get 426 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: to the election. We'll have more on some of the 427 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,959 Speaker 2: other elements of this poll. This day, after Donald Trump 428 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 2: turned himself in to be booked on criminal charges over 429 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: his efforts again allegedly to overturn the election results. 430 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 3: Rick Davis is back with us here. 431 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 2: Rick, I was trying to put the pieces together on 432 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,239 Speaker 2: what's going to be an incredibly busy Monday. We've got 433 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 2: hearings in two different cities, two different cases. This is 434 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 2: the very scenario that you were talking about that's going 435 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 2: to be very difficult for this campaign to manage. In 436 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 2: the throes of a presidential campaign effort. There could be 437 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 2: days where we have four hearings at once. How do 438 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 2: you map all of that out? How do you prepare 439 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: to address all of this at once while remaining in 440 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 2: front of the voters. 441 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 442 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 10: No, this is like a campaign manager's worst nightmare. Not 443 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 10: only is your candidate taken out of the political domain 444 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 10: and put into a courtroom or in this case, that 445 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 10: you have to devote resources of your campaign money and 446 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 10: people to dealing with these issues, about all the preparatory 447 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 10: work that has to be done with the Canada's time. 448 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 9: So you know, you. 449 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 10: Usually, you know, moan and groan over debates. 450 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 11: Oh you got a you know, an hour a day 451 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 11: for a week, we got a debate prep You imagine 452 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 11: the enormous amount of time it takes for these lawyers 453 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 11: to sit down with Donald Trump, who is a micro 454 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 11: manager in the worst day, right, I. 455 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 10: Mean, like, he's not going to let these guys say 456 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 10: one thing in court that he hasn't approved, which means 457 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 10: hours and hours a day of legal phone calls and 458 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 10: zooms where the candidate himself has to be so distracted 459 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 10: that he's got to focus on his own legal problems 460 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 10: and that will affect his performance on the stump. He'll 461 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 10: go out into a big rally and all he's gonna 462 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 10: want to do is talk about his trials, because that's 463 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 10: all he's talked about all day long. I mean, it's 464 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 10: going to be a nightmare for the campaign staff. 465 00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 3: How do you do it? 466 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 2: Jeannie also back with a Genie shanzeno, how do you 467 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: even plan a week around all of these court dates? 468 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 2: I mean, we're going to be talking more about the 469 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: court dates than what he's doing as a presidential candidate. 470 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 9: That's right, And you know, I feel badly for his 471 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 9: campaign staff. It is mind boggling to imagine any individual 472 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 9: having the wherewithal the energy to devote to one of 473 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 9: these trials, let alone for let alone trying to run 474 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 9: for president again. It's it's mind numbing to think about. 475 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 9: I don't know how you plan for it, but I 476 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 9: do agree with Rick, We're going to hear an awful 477 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 9: lot those times he does get on the campaign trail 478 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 9: about these trials. And of course the loser in all 479 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 9: of this is the American public, and I think also 480 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 9: the Republican Party because this just devastates their chances in 481 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 9: so many avenues, and not just at the top of 482 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 9: the ticket, but think about the US Senate, where they 483 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 9: really should pick up in twenty four. They are at 484 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 9: risk now in the House and as we go down ballot. 485 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 9: So it's a disaster for the Republican Party. I think 486 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 9: it's this continues at the rate it is, and what 487 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 9: we saw last night with the circus following him to 488 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 9: Atlanta and back, well, it's. 489 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 2: Going to be a circus for the next year at least, 490 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: probably longer. And thank god we've got Rick Davis and 491 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 2: Jeanie Shanzeto to help us survive all of it, because 492 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 2: We're going to need some serious analysis along the way, 493 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 2: and you know you can count on that. Here they're 494 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: back with more next, because we haven't heard much from 495 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 2: President Biden. He's still on vacation at Lake Tahoe, even 496 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 2: as the administration gets together with others in the financial community, 497 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 2: including of course the Federal Reserve and Jackson Hole to 498 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 2: talk Bidenomics inflation, and that's all coming up next. 499 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch us 500 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg dot com, the 501 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, and the Bloomberg Business app, or listen on 502 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: demand wherever you get your podcasts. 503 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 2: Ryan Teague beckwith who just stopped by Bloomberg Politics Reporter. 504 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 2: I won't kill you at the economics here, but it's 505 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 2: obviously a pretty big deal. On the campaign trail, we 506 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 2: heard a lot about the economy from Republican candidates on 507 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: the debate stage the other night. Joe Biden's try and 508 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 2: like heck to sell Bidenomics. Is the Fed going to 509 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 2: make this impossible for him? 510 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 3: Or or will the Fed enable him by orchestrating a 511 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 3: soft landing? I guess is the question. 512 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 8: You know, it's interesting I looked into this a while ago, 513 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 8: and the research shows that unemployment obviously hurts a politician 514 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 8: who's running for reelection somewhat like you know that you 515 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 8: can see people lose reelection because unemployment was too high, 516 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 8: but inflation is way worse. People really get mad at 517 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 8: incumbents when inflation is bad. So I think, you know, 518 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 8: even though that dual mandate makes it a little tricky 519 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 8: when you're trying to fight inflation and keep them you know, 520 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 8: unemployment and of manage both of those, I think it's 521 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 8: really in his best interest that they do whatever it 522 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 8: takes to get inflation down. And if real wages are 523 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 8: growing at the same time, which they keep ragging about 524 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 8: and we've seen in some of the recent numbers but 525 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 8: we haven't seen in the polling numbers, then you know, 526 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 8: if by this time next year people start to feel 527 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 8: that their dollar is going further, then that should help 528 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 8: him with his reelection. 529 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 2: So Leicester's line, a master's line, easy for me to say, 530 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: is exactly what the administration wants. 531 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 7: Theoretically, though, I've had many conversations with people who say 532 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 7: the credit that you get when the economy is doing 533 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 7: well is actually far less than the blame you will 534 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 7: get when it is not. So even if we see 535 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 7: an improvement in the economy, it might not actually register 536 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 7: in the minds of voters to the extent that dissatisfaction 537 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 7: with the economy does. So obviously, this is something that 538 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 7: I'm sure we can expect Republicans to continue beating on 539 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 7: the campaign trail talking about Bidenomics and the current president. 540 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 7: But while we were focused on that and Jackson Hole, 541 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 7: today we were focused on the former president and Fulton County. 542 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 7: Yesterday we got the mug shot Ryan, is it working 543 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 7: for him? 544 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 8: You know, if you remember, there was a photo where 545 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 8: Angela Merkele was like, you know, trying to like convince 546 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 8: Trump of something, and he's sitting at a desk with 547 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 8: his arms crossed, and and that photo to me, just 548 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 8: encapsulated everything about Trump. Because if you hated Trump, that 549 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 8: just summed it up. Look, there's like all of Europe 550 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 8: basically yelling at Trump and he's racalcitrant, right, And if 551 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 8: you like Trump, that photo summarized everything you liked about Trump. 552 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 3: Look, here's all of Europe yelling at Trump. 553 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 8: He's trent, right. So I think that that mugshot is 554 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 8: the same way like it's just a it's a rorshack. 555 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 8: It's like a national rorshack. You either you look at 556 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 8: this and you either think, h look at this guy, 557 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 8: or you look you look at it and you go, oh, 558 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 8: look at this guy. Right like you, there's no in between. 559 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 8: And I don't think that it helps him or hurts him. Obviously, 560 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 8: his campaign is selling merchandise with it on it. And 561 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 8: he's not alone in that. Rick Perry was arrested and 562 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 8: had a mug shot and had his campaign put out 563 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 8: T shirts with his mug shot on one side and 564 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 8: a DUI that the DA who had authorized the charges 565 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 8: against him on the other. 566 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: Side of it. 567 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 3: To blaze the trail. 568 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean and actually really blazing the day. 569 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 3: Eugene V. 570 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 8: Dabs, who ran for president as a socialist in nineteen 571 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 8: twenty from prison, had buttons campaign buttons showing what was 572 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 8: essentially a mug shot for him and his inmate number 573 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 8: on it. 574 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 2: I just wonder what Donald Trump, which one Trump had 575 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 2: in his mind. There's the famous Frank Sinatra mug shot. 576 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 2: You can buy posters of that anywhere. There's also the 577 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 2: John Gotti mug shot, and he owned that with a 578 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 2: big grin and a lot of folks thought Donald Trump 579 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 2: might do the same thing. I wonder if he did 580 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: in fact plan for that, if he was practicing that 581 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 2: in the mirror, or if he had such a bad 582 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 2: time in that stinky jail and he was actually really angry. 583 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 8: Now I think that he wanted the stern look. You know, 584 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 8: prosecutors have said it's very risky to smile in a 585 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 8: mug shot because it can it can send the message 586 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 8: that you don't take the charge seriously, and jury's may 587 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 8: punish you for that. I know that two of the 588 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 8: people who were his also indicted in Georgia. Two of 589 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 8: them were smiling, and one of them is the former 590 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 8: head of the state Goop who then made that his 591 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 8: Twitter profile pick his mugshot and he is smiling, right, 592 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 8: And so those those folks are definitely doing that. Johnna 593 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 8: elis the other that that can make a jury mad 594 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,959 Speaker 8: at you if they think that you just think this 595 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 8: is all a joke, and especially damaging for people like 596 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 8: pulled over for a dui. That's part of the other 597 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 8: thing where most mugshots are not. You don't get the 598 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 8: chance to show up. You get pulled over because you 599 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 8: were drinking and driving and and you know the James 600 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 8: Brown mugshot, it's like. 601 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 2: It's usually the worst of your life, or Nick Nolty, 602 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 2: it's the worst day of your life, and you don't 603 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 2: look good in it. 604 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 8: And so the fact that he's allowed to sort of 605 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 8: pick out the outfit and put on the flag pin 606 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 8: and those kinds of things and show up at it 607 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 8: when he wants, I think this is a much more 608 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 8: of a staged photo than your typical mug shot. 609 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 7: Well, and Fannie Willis kind of said that when Mark 610 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 7: Meadows was fighting the deadline of today at noon, when 611 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 7: he didn't want to have to show up, then she said, 612 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 7: I've been very generous in her response that we had 613 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 7: two full weeks for you guys to show up, and 614 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 7: kind of speaks to your exact point. Ryan, just quickly 615 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 7: you said that you don't think the mugshot really like 616 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 7: moves the needle for the president in any way, did 617 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 7: anyone really move the needle this week? Because of course 618 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 7: that wasn't the only event. We got the debate behind 619 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 7: us as well. 620 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 8: We had the debate, and it was a weird debate 621 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 8: because Trump was sort of a spectral presence at it. 622 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 8: It was more of a seance really to see if 623 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 8: they could sort of bring his spirit into the room. 624 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 8: And he did come knocking a few times, but it 625 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 8: really was it was odd for how much of the 626 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 8: debate didn't focus on Trump see ahead by four points, 627 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 8: and how you know, there were a couple of candidates 628 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 8: who were willing to get in their digs at him, 629 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 8: Isa Hutchinsay and Chris Christ obviously Mike Pens to some extent, 630 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 8: but really a lot more I thought a lot more 631 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 8: potential there for Avek Ramaswami, who was just has so 632 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 8: little known name recognition. He had a lot more to go. 633 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, he seems to be on the ascent. We'll see 634 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 2: how long that lasts and who gets on the debate 635 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 2: stage also in. 636 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 7: September twenty seventh. 637 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 3: We really need to rest up for September. 638 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 2: I feel like it's been the theme of this hour. Kaylee, 639 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: Ryan teeg Beck with always a great pleasure. Thank you, 640 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 2: sir Bloomberg Politics Reporter. Find him on the terminal here 641 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 2: in Washington. 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