1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: In September, I went to Atlanta to give a speech 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: just a few weeks before I was going to formally 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: announce that I was running for president. And after the talk, 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: the then governor of Georgia, Zell Miller, invited me over 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: to the Governor's mansion, and I was pleased because I 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: really liked Zellen Shirley Miller, and we stayed up half 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: the night talking about policy, politics, you name it. Right 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: before I left, They'll said he'd support me, and then 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: he gave me two important pieces of advice. He said, 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: on the campaign trail, I'd have to give a lot 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: shorter speeches than what he's seen earlier that night. And 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: the second thing he said is if I wanted to win, 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: I needed to hire this up and coming duo of 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: campaign strategist would help him get elected to the year before, 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: James Carville and Paul Begala. I didn't always take the 16 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: first bit of advice, but I'll always be grateful that 17 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: I did take the second part. I arranged a meeting 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: with James and Paul and came away not only with 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: two of the brightest political minds in America, but two 20 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: of the best friends I've made so why am I 21 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: telling you this? Because politics is about people and the future, 22 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: and if you want to be successful, you have to 23 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: have a vision and a message that allows everybody to 24 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: see themselves as an important part of our shared future. 25 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: James and Paul are as good at crafting those kinds 26 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: of messages as anyone I've ever met, because they do 27 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: care about people, and they are interested in their lives 28 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: and stories. In my campaign, that helps us to develop 29 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: a strategy that's focused on issues that resonated with voters 30 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: across every demographic Building an inclusive economy where everyone could 31 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: share fairly in our prosperity, expanding access to quality, affordable healthcare, 32 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: providing family and medical leave, investing in an improving education 33 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: at every level, and opening the doors of college to all, 34 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: and protecting our natural resources for our children's few True. Now, 35 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: I know the political and media landscape for constantly changing, 36 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: but human nature hasn't changed very much, which is why 37 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: I after countless campaigns and news cycles, James and Paul 38 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: are still two of the most sought after strategies and commentators, 39 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: and not even though I'm not running for anything anymore, 40 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: I still pick up the phone and call them all 41 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: the time just to get their take on things. So, 42 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: James Paul, thanks so much for being here. I tell 43 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: you why saying that or recording is gonna be in 44 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: my family things I want my great grandchildren. I'm gonna 45 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: be just blunt. I loved every word of it, Mr President. 46 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: Play played for my mother's, my my my children would 47 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: enjoy it. My mother would believe it so well. First, 48 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 1: before I met you, how did you guys meet each other? 49 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: And what were your first impressions of each other? And 50 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: how did you decide to work together? I'll take that one. 51 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: We met uh the Tuesday after Labor Day of nineteen 52 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: three when I came to Austin. UH. I think it 53 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: the behest of Jack Martin to work for LAYD Dogget 54 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: and published in the room and it was on his meeting. 55 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: Then it's ten minutes ended the meeting. I said to myself, 56 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere again without this guy. And you 57 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: know I never did. And I gotta tell you it 58 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: was the best judge, best judgment call I've ever made 59 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: my life. Well, that's very kind, James. I was the 60 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: gopher who picked James up at the airport. It was 61 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: Lloyd Dogget runner for U S. Senate. He was my 62 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: state senator and mentor. And uh, they sent me the 63 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: lowest man on the totem poles to go pick up 64 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: this out of state campaign manager. Of course, you know 65 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: Louisiana and Texas said that you can't bring a Louisiana 66 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: guy in to run a Texas campaign. You dn't. But 67 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: but Jack are who we all you know quite well, 68 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: believed it, had heard of James, believed in him. Dog. 69 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: It took the meeting. I picked up James the airport, 70 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: same thing. I thought, this is the smartest guy I've 71 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: ever met, my wife, but he's too crazy for Lloyd 72 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: to hire. Lloyd's very straight laced and Mr President, you 73 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: probably haven't noticed this, but James contend towards the profane 74 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: and eccentric. Lloyd very straight laced, And I thought, well, 75 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: Lloyd will never hire this guy, but I'm gonna glean 76 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: everything I can from him before they send him back 77 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: across the Red River. And I've been trailing in his 78 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: weake ever since. Not more was Paul was working on 79 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: the Clarksdale pottery list. There's one thing I know that 80 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: you do share in common, and that's the love of politics. 81 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: But how did you decide to make it a career 82 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: and who were your main influences as you grew up 83 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: and made that decision. I see main influence just uh, Well, 84 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: I grew up in Louisiana and I've worked in some 85 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: campaigns there, maybe Peter Hart and Mark Shields who consulted 86 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: on a nineteen seventy nine governors race in Louisiana that 87 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: I worked and we've got nine point eight percent of 88 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: the vote. But the basic concepts and then I actually 89 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: learned a lot in nineteen eighty four in Texas. Has 90 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,239 Speaker 1: Phil Graham taught me a lot and beat the crap 91 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: out of us. But you can say what you want 92 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: about Phil Graham, he knew how to communicate and this, 93 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's a good lesson when you get the 94 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: crap beat out of you. I think by eight five 95 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: eighty six, I would say I was a much better 96 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: political operative in nineteen eighties six, I mean, much better 97 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: than I was in nineteen eighty one. Paul, Yeah, you know, 98 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: I'd always been a little kind of student activist. I 99 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: was in student council and student body president high school, 100 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: and then I went up student body president college and 101 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: it was it was a couple of people. Lloyd was 102 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: my state senator, and he'd been studing by the president, 103 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: and so he kind of took me under his wing 104 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: and offered me an internship in his state Senate office 105 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: during a legislative session. Oh my god. I hardly went 106 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: to class, but I had a I got a graduate 107 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: degree in practical politics in the Texas legislature, working interning 108 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: for Lloyd Doggin. Uh. Then he decided he wanted to 109 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: run for U. S. Senate and brought me on. But 110 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: before that he was up for reelection. I forgot this, 111 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: and his campaign manager was a buddy of ours, Russ Tidwell, 112 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: and a big real estate guy was running against Lloyd 113 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: was gonna self fund, and he took a hard look 114 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: at it, realized he couldn't win, and dropped out of 115 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 1: the race. Well, I was in the headquarters and dog 116 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: It and tid Well are dancing. They're so happy because 117 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: now Lloyd's unopposed. And I sat in a corner and 118 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: I was on the verge of tears, and tid Well, 119 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: what's the matter with you? I said, Well, I just 120 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: lost the only job I'll ever get in politics. Russ, 121 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: I mean, who else is gonna hire me. And he said, 122 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: as long as you could walk and chew gum, somebody 123 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: in politics will hire you. And it proved to be prophetic. 124 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: That's the life for me. Well, I've been wanting to 125 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: ask you this for a long time. Tell me something 126 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: that happened during the ninety two campaign that I did 127 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: not know about. All right, let me let me go 128 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: first here. I almost I almost jinxt Us, Mr. President, 129 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: when we were on the Georgia bus tour, and we're 130 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: going through South Georgia and uh, you know, we stopped. 131 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: We spent the night in Valdosta. I remember we stopped 132 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: in Columbus, where James Carver was born, called him from there. 133 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: His father was at Fort Bidding in the army when 134 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: James was born. But we stopped in Parrot, Georgia, which 135 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: is a town at the time of a hundred and 136 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: forty souls, not not any bigger today, and it's about 137 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: seventy thirty white and black. And you drew a crowd 138 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: in Parrot, Georgia that was over ten times the size 139 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: of the town, and it was as representative as the town. 140 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: But you know, seventy thirty white, black and and Zel 141 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: was with US Governor Miller. Sam Nunn was with us, 142 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: I mean pure Howard, the lieutenant governor, a great guy, 143 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: was with us, and Jesus gave such a great talk, 144 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: and you talked about mud cats and moon pies and 145 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: everybody was noting, and everybody knew you were one of them. 146 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: And we spent the night in a motel in Valdosta, 147 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: and I called Georgie, George Stephanopolis, and this is really 148 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: for vote in a campaign. I would have never told 149 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: you this, but I said, George, we're gonna win this September. 150 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: We're a long way from home and I said, we're 151 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: gonna win this thing. And he said, what makes you 152 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: think that? And I told him what I had just seen, 153 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: having worked for Zel. So you're in Terrell County, Georgia. 154 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: By the way, you got fifty there, sir, You ran 155 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 1: up the score. And I just said, if if this 156 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: man can draw a crowd like that in a tiny 157 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: little cotton town like like Parrot, Georgia. And the message 158 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: there really was I care about you. I give a 159 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: damn about you, and those folks got it and that 160 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: so I know that was a jink, sir, but I did. 161 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: I I felt like this thing was over when you 162 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: turned in a performance like that in a place like that. God, 163 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: I wish I've known it. In September, I guess it. 164 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: Uh would have the morning phone call and if I'm 165 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: about saying anything and people don't, don't you're not exactly 166 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: a morning person, and so it's not to go through 167 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: the day. And of course it was like on a 168 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: speak of phone and you could be quite irritable and 169 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: people would say, which I said, just give it an hour. 170 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: It's just it's like a thunderstorm that comes through through 171 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: little rock. It you got a big rain burst and 172 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: then the sun comes do so I always had to 173 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: explain to the campaign staff that you're a different person 174 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: in that in the afternoon. In the morning, I guess 175 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: I said that behind you back well. D G. Wilhelm 176 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: who traveled with us, who's now a very successful lawyer, 177 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: but she she used to very most cheerful person in 178 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: the world, best person you can travel with. And James, 179 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: we would even d G. We trash you behind your back. 180 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: You and George, all the headquarters people because we are 181 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: on the plane, we had the most We had the 182 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: greatest job in the world. You guys were doing all 183 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: the hard work, but that's not how we saw it 184 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: at the time. It would be like eight or nine 185 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: at night and d G would say, well, James and 186 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: George and them are on their second cocktail. We only 187 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: have five more hours left in our working day. So 188 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: there was that tension back and forth. There isn't every campaign, 189 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: but I think seriously to spread the fact that you 190 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: had that amazingly talented war room with everybody from from 191 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: Jeans Spurling, Michael Walman, Mike Donalin who's now a top eight, 192 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: to President Biden and James and George, they did keep 193 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: us afloat. And I feel a little guilty James, that 194 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: we were resentful of fact that you got to sleep 195 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: in the same bed every night. Yeah, I was a 196 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: those George and I haven't dranks with Haunter Thompson and 197 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: Day And I apologize from my early morning irritability. You know, 198 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: I was always a workaholic, and I kept going late 199 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: at night and my mind would kick in, so it 200 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: took me a while to get going in the daytime. 201 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: And I'll thank you forgiving me, for forgiving me, James, 202 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: when in our war room you've famously wrote those three 203 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: memorable lines change versus more of the same. The economy 204 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 1: stupid and don't forget health care. If you were working 205 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: in a presidential campaign today or anticipating one, and what 206 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: would you ride on the wall? Not much different? And 207 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: health care. It seems to me today health care and 208 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: the economy two of the country. If we go and 209 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: you get an e K G and you look at 210 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: you full one k you view that as two separate events. 211 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: Most people view it is the same event, that their 212 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: economic situation is directly tied to the health cabine. How 213 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 1: many you know the people who get a toothache that 214 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, wat a toothache before they go to tennis. 215 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: And if we've heard in focus groups and you're still 216 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: here today, I'm one disease away from bankrupts it I'm 217 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: one healthy event. So you know, if I was running 218 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: there was a Democrat, I probably wouldn't run on change 219 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: because we've had Democrats. We would have had the democratic 220 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: rule for for for four years. But I think that 221 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: the two are as say it today as there's ever been. 222 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: And I'm such a a fanatic on climate because I 223 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: think it's just such a gut wrenching I think the 224 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: two biggest issues we face of inequality and climate now 225 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: an equality you can put in as part of your 226 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: economic message, but I think it's it's a huge enough 227 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: ficial I know it doesn't rally as many people as 228 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: we would like, but I just think on a personal 229 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: level is just too big obitiative to ignore. We'll be 230 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: right back. I think we do have to make climate 231 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: change an economic issue for people, and I think President 232 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: Biden is trying to do that, and they put some 233 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: significant amount of money into this American Recovery Act. But 234 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: one of the problems that we have, and I think 235 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: it's led to a lot of the cultural lately nation 236 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: in the heart Land, is that we know that this 237 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: economy is very uneven geographically and therefore electorally. And I've 238 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: always believed having grown up in Arkansas when I was born, 239 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: our economy was just barely over half the national average 240 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: about but I didn't know anybody didn't have work and 241 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: who didn't believe they couldn't improve their situation. And that's 242 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: what kills people, is stagnation. If you look up in 243 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: the mirror every day and you think every tomorrow it's 244 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: going to be like yesterday, and you're not gonna be 245 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: able to take care of your kids and and you 246 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: feel insecure about things like healthcare. And we have to 247 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: find a way, it seems to me, to talk to 248 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: people together again and to be more welcoming and to 249 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: deal with the aspirations of ordinary people. And the problem 250 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: I see is that when we get into, you know, 251 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: demonizing one another, it may benefit us in terms of 252 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: turnout in local elections, that may help our progressives in primaries, 253 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: but it causes real challenges when you get out there 254 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: in the heartland. There's a great column in the New 255 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: York Times on the day that we're recording this about 256 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: how the biggest gains the Republicans made in the entire 257 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: country between we're in Texas south of San Antonio. We 258 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: did okay in San Antonio and Bear County, and then 259 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: you go further south into the small towns and rural 260 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: areas which were heavily Latino Mexico American, and we barely 261 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: escaped with a victory. So what's your take on that? 262 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: How much has the country changed since our campaign and 263 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: way back in ninety two? And do you think what 264 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: Biden is doing now is helping us get back together 265 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: a little? If I can start on that, James Um, 266 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: it's my favorite political statistic, Mr. President, When of course 267 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: George Washington gets elected, hundred percent of voters are white. 268 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: In fact, there weren't even voters who were just electors, 269 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: but it was a hundred percent white. Because we know 270 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: why two hundred and four years later you get elected. 271 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: Now we've had fift nineteenth amendments, we've had voter rights 272 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: Xcel Rights Act. It's a completely different country. But guess what, 273 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: that h percent had only dropped to eighty seven the 274 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: time from your election to Joe Biden's seven is dropped 275 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: to sixty seven. So you have had more demographic change, 276 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: more dilution in the white vote in the last twenty 277 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: eight years in the previous two hundred four And I 278 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: think how you react to that, particularly white people, kind 279 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: of determines which way you're going for. For For for 280 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: people on this in this interview, we think it's wonderful. 281 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: We think that this richness and diversity makes us younger, smarter, 282 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: We're able to compete interesting, better, food better. My doctor 283 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: is from Iran, my my my my dentist is from Brazil. 284 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: My neighbor across the street was a boat person from 285 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: Vietnam graduated top of a class of UV A like, 286 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: I look at this as a win win win. This 287 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: is just wonderful. And it's James like to say, I 288 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: like being in a country people want to come to. 289 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: I like it. Nobody's busting down the doors to get 290 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: into Russia. So I think that's terrific. But there's a 291 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: whole lot of people who don't. UH And economic stagnation, 292 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: certainly in a lot of urban areas, but principally or 293 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: terribly in rural areas. You put all that together, and 294 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: that's a tinder box that somebody can come in and demagogue. 295 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: And and I put most of the blame on the demagogues, 296 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: but some of it is on us too, is it? 297 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: When we don't acknowledge their pain? When we're losing over 298 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: forty thousand people a year to opioid addiction. The some 299 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: in the suburbs, some of the cities, but a whole 300 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: lot in the rural areas. When we don't give voice 301 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: to that and respect that and listen to it and 302 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: speak to it and acknowledge it, they're gonna be heard 303 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: and and they're gonna turn towards a wrecking ball. And 304 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: I think that what President Biden is doing is exactly right. Well, 305 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: in thirty one hundred plus county a county equivalents in 306 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: the United States in ninety six for whatever referred to 307 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: a super majority county is that is one of Party 308 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: one by more than fifty percent. In other words, of 309 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: went by seventy five, twenty five, and by two thousand 310 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: twenty it's probably over thirteen hundred. So there are people 311 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: in North Philadelphia that don't know a Republican. There are 312 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: millions of people in rural America that don't know a Democrat. 313 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: And the geographic separation I think has been profound. Uh 314 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: And you know, and you know, we were in when 315 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: Paul and I were running in New Jersey. I looked 316 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: it up Bush for a one one by eight in 317 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: Loudenburg one by eight. That doesn't exist anymore in American politics. 318 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: So we've had, of course, we've had polarization, but geographic polarization, 319 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: I think is a is a significant issue. I being 320 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: a son of rural America, I totally agree with Paul, 321 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: And I mean, you were very concentrate on rural America, 322 00:18:55,800 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: rural Arkansas and men as you go to these towns, 323 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: I took a drive about two weeks ago in the 324 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,479 Speaker 1: kind of northern part of what they call the Florida 325 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,719 Speaker 1: Parish is in Louisiana, and it's just hopeless. It's just 326 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: make make you cry to see the lack of any 327 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: kind of real I mean, the biggest employee everywhere as 328 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: the hospital. I mean, thank god, you know we we 329 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: we saved some of these royal hospitals. But man, you 330 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: go to buggal Loosa, Franklinson U kent Wood, where Britney 331 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: Spears is from, it is nothing like you remember it. 332 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: It's it's really it's really tragic. And they believe, and 333 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: I think with some validity. I don't think it's insane 334 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: when they say people have forgotten about us. People don't 335 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: realize there's a huge swath of Black America that's rural. Okay, 336 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: you know you've got to the Arkansas Delta, the Mississippi Delta, 337 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: even the Louisiana Doulta. I mean, it would talk like 338 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of that a lot of 339 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: what hurts our turnout. Sometimes they feel like they left 340 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: out of the equation. It's not it's not just white 341 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: a market that fields left out. I was glad when 342 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: Tom Vilsack agreed to go back in service Secretary of 343 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: Agriculture because when President Obama was in office, Bill pack 344 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: and got you know, he's very low key. He never 345 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: gets credit for what he's doing. I thought he was 346 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: the most underrated member of the president's cabinet. When Obama 347 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: was president, he on his own initiative, because he understood 348 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: rural America, went out and talked to all these Republican 349 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: congressmen and convinced them to support the Democrats and allowing 350 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: him to consolidate a little a lot of these smaller 351 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: grants that are given by Congress to the Department of 352 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: Agriculture in the development funds, and the Agriculture Department actually 353 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: did create when Obama was president a quarter of a 354 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: million jobs in tiny places. And I think it's really 355 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: important because we can only win in the end over 356 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: the long run by having people feel comfortable enough in 357 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: the growing diversity of America that they don't do what's 358 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: happening now. So our only option is what the president 359 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: is doing for the right reasons, not for this reason 360 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: he is performance and we do have on economic issues. 361 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: The unity in the Democrats, it seems to me from 362 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: our centrist to the left right now that he had 363 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: to go big on this first Recovery Act and we 364 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: didn't have to deal with the filibuster, and none of 365 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: the Republicans voted for it, but it was the right 366 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: thing to do when you've got you haven't you're still 367 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: seven million jobs short, and you've got this huge hole 368 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: in the economy, and GDP dropped like ten or fift 369 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: It seems to me he did the right thing. But 370 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: we need to know that we've got a long way 371 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: to go before people think we give a roof about 372 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: them again. I do think this president is doing a 373 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: good job of that. He's not as partisan as I am, 374 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: thank god, but he is trying to explain to people 375 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: that that these votes have consequences, and that four in 376 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: your bank account was opposed by every living breathing Republican 377 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: in the House and every living breathing Republican the Senate, 378 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: which is pretty extraordinary. We have a giant, unsolvable problem, 379 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what's not, Jerry Mannen the United 380 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: States Senate. All right, eighteen per cent of the voters 381 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: in the United States elect fIF senators. There has been 382 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: academic research on the weighted value. It that gives enhanced 383 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: power to roll white. I hate to say that, but 384 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: it is just the truth. And a lot of my 385 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: a lot of people say, well that can change that. 386 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: It's not gonna change. Wyoming is not going to vote 387 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: or North Dakota are not going to vote that way 388 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: out of power, all right, that's just simply not gonna happen. 389 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: It looked like that that that that's a nonenda. So 390 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 1: we don't have any choice. We have no choice. If 391 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: you want power, you have no choice but to engage, 392 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: because if you don't, you're not gonna have any power. 393 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: How much do you think that changes in how people 394 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: get their information has driven the support that will continue 395 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: to do so. If you think the Senate is a 396 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: tough and insoluble problem, this is bigger. Um. You always 397 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: used to teach all of us, But to your staff 398 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: that that you've got to start with agreed upon set 399 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: of facts and that requires you to open your mind. 400 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: It maybe sometimes the other side might have some facts 401 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: that are relevant, interesting, important, and correct that's not taught 402 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: anymore their political leaders. Uh. And you can make a 403 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: lot of money lying to people, a whole lot because 404 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: the market segmentation. Uh. That that's one, having now spent 405 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: a couple of decades in cable news. Uh. And to 406 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: the algorithm in social media is so powerful and so negative. 407 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: And I don't know what's all in the black box. 408 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's ever been publicly disclosed. But 409 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: here's a good little example, Mr President Lent. This year, 410 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: you know, I'm try to be I'm a faithful Catholic. 411 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: And my wife Sunday school teacher challenge me, I always 412 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: give up cursing, drinking, or Twitter, the three great sins 413 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: of my daily life. Uh. This year she challenged me. 414 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: She said, no, do something good positive on Twitter every 415 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: single day. So every single day between Ash Wednesday and 416 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: Easter Sunday, every single day I posted a tweet that 417 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: began with three words people are good. And then I 418 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: explained a link. I linked to a positive story a 419 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: girl skelt troup that formed itself in a homeless shelter 420 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: in De Moin and then set the state record for 421 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: cookie sales. Right. Stuff like that, kids who chipped in 422 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: to buy their janitor a car when he was out 423 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,719 Speaker 1: of work because the school hood closed. Every single day 424 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: I did that. Now, when I tweet something mean about 425 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: the Republicans, thousands, sometimes tens of thousands, fifty thousand people 426 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: may like it. I rarely got a hundred people to 427 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: like any positive thing I did. And it's not that 428 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: people are bad, it's that the algorithm is. One of 429 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: my dear friends is Bill Burton, was President Obama spokesman, 430 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: and we talk all the time and we follow each 431 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: other on Twitter. And I mentioned this to him. He said, 432 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: I've never seen a one of your positive tweets, not 433 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: a one. And I said, how can that be? And 434 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: he said, the algorithm doesn't kick it up to me. 435 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: It doesn't promote it. It doesn't say, hey, Bill, here's 436 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: your buddy mcgala. Now I fire right something hateful. Boy, 437 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: it'll hit him right. So our our information platforms now 438 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: are designed to drive us into division and darkness, and 439 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what to do about that. We'll be 440 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: right back. I know that. Look, politics has always been 441 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: a contact sport and people are always trying to rewrite history. 442 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: But I do think that there are things that make 443 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: me optimistic, and one of them is that there is 444 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: a real unity in the Democratic Party that at least 445 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: at this time, the only option is to have a 446 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: very active government taking a vigorous role to fill a 447 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: hole in the economy. And so I think, and the 448 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: thing I like about what Biden is doing is there's 449 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: enough money in there too, as you pointed out, give 450 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: the four check and some of the other support programs, 451 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: but there's also investment that will create jobs and have 452 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: a good multiplier. It's not trickled down economics. And I 453 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: think we have to hope that if people feel a 454 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: sense of mobile laity, that they hope that they feel 455 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: like we're going places together, that it will dilute the 456 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: identity wars. But I also think we should go knocking 457 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: on the other doors and uh and we ought to 458 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 1: look like we're having a good time doing it. It's all, 459 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, we shouldn't be out there making people think 460 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: this is about destruction. They win those fights. We were 461 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: in the people business in ninety two, and we need 462 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: to be in the people business and the people business 463 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: and the future business. And you know, we're not gonna 464 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: melt those icebergs overnight. But before we finish, just give 465 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: us a you guys, say a couple of things about 466 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: what makes you optimistic about the future. Kids. I've taught 467 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: at Georgia for twenty years. Before that, I taught University 468 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: of Georgia, first semester University of Texas. And I've got 469 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: four boys in their twenties, so I know I knew 470 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of twenty some things. They're the next 471 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: greatest generation. Uh. They're more public interested in public spirited 472 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: than I was there, more selfless. And the thing though, 473 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: sorry that I tried to imbuing them. This is a 474 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: good thing that they are challenging the system and that 475 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: they're impatient. But now I'm old, and what I tried 476 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: to tell them is something you taught me, which is 477 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: you've got to be in this for the long haul. 478 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: And and I'm watching this wonderful tension between people outside 479 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: the system and inside the system, within our own party 480 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: and within our own government. And if I can take 481 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: you back, this is one of the more important moments 482 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: I think in my life. April, You're at a fundraiser 483 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: in New York City, raising money for your for your 484 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 1: campaign for president, and in the middle of it, guy 485 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: named Bob Rafsky comes up to you. He was a 486 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: pr guy who became the chiefs e for Act Up, 487 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: which was I wouldn't say radical, but really it was 488 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: pretty radical AIDS activist group at the time. And he 489 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: got right in your face and he was screaming at 490 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: you where you is. He said, we're not so much 491 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: dyeing of AIDS as we're dying of eleven years of 492 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: government neglect and ascribe that to you. And your response was, 493 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: I know it hurts. And then you said for words 494 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: that that people always remember. I feel your pain and 495 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: our friends of the far I'd always mocked you for that, 496 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: but that kind of deep empathy. Here's what happened. The 497 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: next day or two, you met with act UP. A 498 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: few weeks later, you gave a major policy address during 499 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: a campaign on AIDS. A few months later, you had 500 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: Bob Haty, a man who is your environmental advisor but 501 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: who was living with AIDS, speak at the convention, first 502 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: time of Democrat either convention had had someone with AIDS 503 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: speaking about AIDS at their convention. You become president, You 504 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: create the Office of National AIDS Policy, the AIDS czar office, 505 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: you you funded, and you you do more for AIDS 506 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: than it have been done American his tree. You leave office, 507 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: and you set up what's now the Clinton Health Access initiative, 508 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: which is keeping millions and millions and millions of people 509 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: with HIV alive. So nine years ago, pain confronted power 510 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: and there was a confrontation, but it sparked conscience, but 511 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: even more important, constancy and commitment. So you've spent twenty 512 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: nine years and and poor Mr Rafsky has gone and 513 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: we lost him before we could have these anti retroviral drugs. 514 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: But you know, he yelled fire and you ran for 515 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: the host. And society needs both. And I keep trying 516 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: to tell, like my kids and my students that that 517 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: some people are more driven towards being on the outside 518 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: and pressuring and I respect that. And we're seeing a 519 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: lot of that and it has a good effect. And 520 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: people like me who are on the inside, I need 521 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: to respect that, but vice versa. People on the outside 522 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: need to understand that when the rally is over, a 523 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: good leader picks up that pain and translates it into purpose. 524 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: And that's the whole point of having power. And that 525 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: gives me huge because right now those young people are 526 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: really pressuring the system and I want them to. I 527 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,479 Speaker 1: don't always like it, but I respect it. And and 528 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: then so the people in the power then have to. 529 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: They have to, and if they have a tenth of 530 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: the constancy of commitment that you've had to these causes 531 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: of your entire life, then they'll really change the world. 532 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: But it's not just about you know, sending out one 533 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: tweet and thinking you've done something. So, miss President, I'll 534 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: move to your friend. Alex Carp, the Volunteer CEO, tell 535 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: us the story that the Chinese love jazz, and so 536 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: they got a jazz com combo from New Orleans and 537 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: went to Beijing, and you know, a big auditorium was 538 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: just packed and they played for a couple of hours, 539 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: and of course they rushed the thing to talk to him. 540 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: And the main thing they wanted to ask was how 541 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: did you memorize those notes? All right? It in that 542 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: kind of creativity and that kind of energy when we 543 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: saw signs on this vaccine. But you still, I think 544 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: a hundred years from now, you're accomplishing. But you stop 545 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: the genocide. Uh, you know, for the surfaces, the best 546 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: income growth to any president since World War Two. But 547 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: the humans you don't project. I mean you you you 548 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: walk the walk. When we talk about science. You know, 549 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: everybody's now talking about science. Is science act that's the 550 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: foundational thing. I mean, your economies get good and they 551 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: get bad, and things like that happened, but the march 552 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: of knowledge goes on. And I think the combination of 553 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: that and the just the creative genius that people have, uh, 554 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: gives me great hope. But we don't have to memorize 555 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: the notes. Yeah, I agree with that. And we need 556 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: to have some more schools like Bria and Kentucky where 557 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,479 Speaker 1: basically you can go for free and they don't have 558 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: any athletic programs, they don't have any they don't have 559 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: things that a lot of think people think are important 560 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: for college. But they send undergraduates to every high poward 561 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: graduate program in the country. And if you go there, 562 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: you have to work. You have to help serve dinner 563 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: and clean buildings and do all this kind of stuff. 564 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: But it's a community. We need to have enough models 565 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: here that work more like the community colleges, do you know. 566 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: I think that are open to everybody and that give 567 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: everybody some hope. And I hope that one of the 568 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: things will do. I agree with one of you mentioned 569 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: that one of the best things in Biden's economic plan 570 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: is finally we're gonna bring universal affordable broadband to every 571 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: place in America. Well, this notion of tying education to 572 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: service is something you did when you created AmeriCorps. And 573 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: and here's a very positive sign. Chris Coons, who has 574 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's old seat in the US Senate from Delaware, Democrat, 575 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: has partnered with Roger Wicker, who's from Mississippi. He ain't 576 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: no Democrat, Conservative Republicans senator and UH Senators Coons and 577 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: Wicker want to take your AmeriCorps, which I believe serves 578 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: about young people a year. Yeah, I think we're off 579 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: now and take it to a million. I call that 580 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: a good start. It was like a huge difference. The 581 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: two things is that, yes, it would give a whole 582 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: lot of young people UH low cost debt free education 583 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: and skills, which is terrific. It also gives them life 584 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: skills that they learned as they're serving. But it integrates 585 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: us this big sort that we're talking about that you 586 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: and James were talking about before. You You you integrate 587 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 1: people when you have served with them. You know, James, 588 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: when when at their kids high school, Patrick, they all 589 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: had to do service. The first three all went to 590 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: Dominican Republic on their service trips. Patrick wanted to go 591 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: to to Lower Ninth, So he goes to New Orleans 592 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: and UH is serving in that community. And of course 593 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: the group coming from their school was about half white, 594 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: half black. And when you serve with people, and you 595 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: serve other people, you can't hate them anymore. And actually 596 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: they went over to St. Bernard Parish too, which is 597 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 1: I think James predominantly white, right, And they did service 598 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: in the Lower Knight and then over in St. Bernard. 599 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: And you can't hate people if you've served with them 600 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: and you you know them, And so it would I 601 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: think it would do a lot to stitch the social 602 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,479 Speaker 1: fabric together. I don't know if President Biden's on board. 603 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: I imagine he is. I hope he is. But I 604 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: know that Senators Coons and Wicker and a bipartisan fashion 605 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: are trying to take your idea and bring it to scale. 606 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: I got before we ago, my favorite built President Clinton's 607 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: story and and I know people do this, you follow 608 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: all time to you, mis President, and I said, I 609 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: don't say what flordical advice youre for my career. So 610 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: we were in a little rock for one of the 611 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: reunions that we have and we'll I'll stand in line. 612 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: And Kaya Andrews, who worked for me in the All Run, 613 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,479 Speaker 1: was actually from Mendon, Louisiana. It was a small town 614 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: in north Westernsiana, not very far Mordan saw. And she 615 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: had a daughter and I daughter was like fourteen, and 616 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: you were talking through and shaking his hand, being gracious 617 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: to everybody. And so Kyle, you look at you, said, 618 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: Mr President, this is my daughter. She's fourteen. She wants 619 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: to be president one day. What advice do you have 620 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: for And you kind of cock your head back and 621 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 1: your finger and it's most best flitic advice I've ever heard. 622 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,439 Speaker 1: You said, two things, study hard, and meet as many 623 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: people as you can that are not like you. That's 624 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,359 Speaker 1: the most profound political advice I've ever heard anyone give 625 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 1: a young person. And I mean that from the bottom 626 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: of heart. Well, thank you. Yeah, I think we've been blessed, 627 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: you know. And it's meeting people is and hearing their stories. 628 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: It makes it a lot easier to figure out what 629 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: can be done to make their stories better. And I think, 630 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: you know, I do a little bit of what Paul 631 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: was talking about with this leadership program at George W. Bush, 632 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: and I do where we pick sixty people a year. 633 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: It's a very diverse group, and they wind up loving 634 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 1: each other and loving the fact that they get to 635 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: work together. And I think part of it is they 636 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: actually get to know each other as people. The other 637 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 1: part is they begin with the end in mind, whereas 638 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: you know, so much of modern political life, not just 639 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: in America but everywhere else doesn't allow you to begin 640 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: with the end in mind and then work back to 641 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: what we can, what you can honorably compromise on to 642 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: get there. And for all kinds of obvious reasons, but 643 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: I'm grateful that, uh, you know, by the time I 644 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: left office, we'd already had more people in AmeriCorps than 645 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 1: had served in the Peace Corps in forty years. And 646 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: yet the impact of the Peace Corps on America has 647 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: been quite profound, just because of what people did with 648 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:52,240 Speaker 1: their lives when they came back. And I think, you know, uh, 649 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,359 Speaker 1: this is probably a good place to stop, because we're 650 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,439 Speaker 1: all in a pretty good humor where the oldest continuously 651 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: existing democracy on earth. Periodically people have worried about us. 652 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: Even President Eisenhower during the McCarthy era worried about whether 653 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: we would have the discipline it takes to maintain a 654 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: free society over the long run. And so far, everybody's 655 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: bet against us has lost money. And I just think, 656 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: you know, we just got to keep growing and going 657 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: and I'm hopeful. I think Biden has been pretty much 658 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: pitched perfect so far, and but he's got a big 659 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: lot of stuff to do, and there are problems. Not 660 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: every problem has an instantaneous solution, but but the American 661 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 1: people are pretty smart about that too. We just gotta 662 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: let this thing flay out and keep working. But I 663 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,720 Speaker 1: thank you, guys, and I hope you'll keep your voices 664 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 1: out there and keep doing what you've done. I'm very 665 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: proud of the lies that you've built, in the families 666 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: you've raised, and that we once got a chance to 667 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: do something that to make the country better, and how 668 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,760 Speaker 1: from along their journey. Well, I love you, Mr President, 669 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: Thank you. I do too, And it's all because of 670 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: you that week what a turtle on the fence box 671 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: were both put there by you. Thank you? Actually exactly, 672 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 1: James and I would be pitching a Lieutenant Governor's racing 673 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: Kentucky if you had not, we'd still be it been 674 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 1: edn't been for you guys, I still be home doing 675 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: deeds and hundred dollar divorces too, So thank you, thank you, sorry, 676 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: thank you very much, thank you. Why Am I Telling 677 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: You This is a production of our Heart Radio, the 678 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: Clinton Foundation, and at Will Media. Our executive producers are 679 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 1: Craig Manascion and Will Malnady. 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