1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: And That's what you Really missed with Jenna and Kevin 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: An iHeartRadio podcast. Welcome to and That's what do you 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: Really missed Podcast. I'm Jenna, I'm Kevin and Jenna. Today 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: we have a very very very very very special guest. 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: We have the man, the myth, the legend, the creator 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: of it all. To be honest, I could not do 7 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: it without him, Brennan. Ian, We could not do it 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: without him. Brennan as this full this full birth name. 9 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: He sits down with us and buckle up, kids. It's 10 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: a two parter because let me tell you, Ian doesn't 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: sit down for a lot of interviews, and especially about Glee. 12 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: And once you turn that mouth on, it doesn't turn off. 13 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: It's like Sue Sylvester's brain. Get ready. Yeah, and we 14 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: are the better for it. So here we go without 15 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: further ado. Ian Brennan high end. Hi, it's good to 16 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: see you, see you guys. You're a parent of two, 17 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: you're a parent of one. That's crazy. I can't have 18 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: to meet I know, I know, we have to make 19 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: them meet. The meeting of the mind. Put all those 20 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: babies together. Actually your kids, like you're not they're toddlers, 21 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: not babies. They're old. Now, Oh mine are like four 22 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: kids play seven jee Oh no, really weird. I don't 23 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: like that. That's wild. I'm just an old lady at 24 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: this point. You've always been an old lady to me, 25 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: That's true. I've always been an old lady at heart. 26 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: You know what's crazy. I never realized this because I 27 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: think it's like that thing when you're in seventh grade 28 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: and the eighth graders seem at least a decade older 29 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: than you. I was thinking about earlier today when we 30 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: started Glee, that you were so young. Yeah, and because 31 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: you were always my boss, like, I always just imagined 32 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: you were in some version of like at least late thirties, 33 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: which I obviously couldn't have been. But you know, yeah, thirty. 34 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: It turned thirty right as the right when I came 35 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: out here with the the wrote the screenplay on his 36 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: twenties oven, and then, uh, yeah it was thirty when 37 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: I came up here. Isn't that cool? That is wild? 38 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, that you wouldn't go no, it was 39 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: the it wasn't it the camera before that, it was shitty. 40 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: It was well because I thought it was all going 41 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: to disappear after a second, it was really really like 42 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: frugal for sure. We I remember you had like a 43 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: dolphin colored cameray that you you really did hold on 44 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: to for a very long time, probably longer than you 45 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: should have, but you did. And it would be parked 46 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: on a lot on Paramount with this beautiful a lot. 47 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: And one day I walked by and I was like, 48 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: there's Ian's car, and there was a dead bee in 49 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: the back, and I think I left a note on 50 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: the back, I think Amber and I wrote, time to 51 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: get rid of this car. It was probably like season four, 52 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: Yes it was. It was too late. It was years 53 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: too late. I remember walking past the same area with 54 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: Ian and asking you, like why, Like I don't know 55 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: how much money you're making, but like the show's doing well, 56 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: and I certainly to get a new car. I know 57 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: you could do all right. For a while, one of 58 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: my bumpers was like falling off. Finally, the Transfo guys 59 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: would offer to kind of accept, bro, if you must, 60 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: That's why we love you. It's good to see you. 61 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: We're so glad you're here. It's so great to be here. 62 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: Thank you for Oh my gosh, let's start at the beginning. 63 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: I would like to talk about that time when you 64 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: were twenty six years old or twenty years old when 65 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: you wrote that screenplay for Glee that was meant to 66 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: be a movie. What talk us through, like from the beginning, 67 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: how that happened? Well, yeah, so I was in Schowquar 68 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: in high school obviously, but ironically, like I hated it, 69 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: like I did not, I did not Joy. I still 70 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: have anxiety. You used about show quar if ninety dream 71 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: it's about choquar, but it's usually like song and dance 72 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: and I don't know the choreography. It's just weird. I 73 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: was found Shuguar really weird. I was like, why what 74 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: is this thing? It exists nowhere after high school? Really? 75 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: That like on cruise ships right and like and and 76 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: like the chorus line of a musical if it was 77 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: on Broadway before nineteen fifty. Like just a very strange thing. 78 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: Like I remember one time, like we spent a lot 79 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: of time in show Quar, like not learning how to 80 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: tap dance, learning how to fake tap dance, because learning 81 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: how to tap dance would be too hard. But when 82 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 1: you're doing like I think we were doing, like steam 83 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: heat or like anything goes to learn how to fake. 84 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: I can't do a time step time step, like the 85 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: the amount of time that that took out of my 86 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: life to like learn that shit anyway, So I always 87 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: had a thing about it. And then when I was 88 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: like an actor in New York, I was sort of 89 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: like cool, okay, so cool. But then I was like 90 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: I couldn't couldn't like square the circle of like yeah, 91 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: but you're a show choir nerd. So I was stowing 92 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: myself sort of apologizing for it. And then then it 93 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: was in two thousand and five, I was living in 94 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: New York. My girlfriend at the time had also been 95 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: in show choir, and news broke that my old show 96 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: choir director was going to prison for inappropriate sexual conduct 97 00:05:53,680 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: with a student Stephen Tobolowski character his character Let's Yeah. 98 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: So I was just and I remember I was just like, wow, 99 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: I can't speak to the truth or false stood, but 100 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't actually don't really know much about 101 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: like what it went on there. It was just a 102 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: weird thing to like be like wow. And then I 103 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: turned to my girlfriend Aubrey at the time, and she'd 104 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: also been a chopart and she's like, oh, that happened 105 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: in my school too, except it was an older teacher, 106 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: a male teacher, male student, and they ran off together 107 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: and they're still together and they're happily married. That fact 108 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: that I was like whoa, I was like this, that's 109 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: the first scene of a movie somehow, Like I was 110 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: like what, And then it just happened. It was like 111 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: why has nobody written about this thing? So I just 112 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: sort of like had it in the back of my mind, 113 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: just started jotting. I was not trained as a writer. 114 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: I'd always written before, but I'd always tried to write 115 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: plays and stuff, and like, plays I found are hard 116 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: for me to write, first of all, because plays have 117 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: to be like important like TV and movies just have 118 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: to be like good, you know good, but it doesn't 119 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: have to be there's a there's an whole onus on 120 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: theater or at least I felt yes. And then also 121 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm just really visual. I didn't realize that as a writer, 122 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: like I just like I can see, yeah, I see 123 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: things in sort of sequences visual and then h and 124 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: also even the biggest theater nerd, which I like was 125 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: like I was a theater as we all were, Like 126 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: A was a theater major, and my whole life was 127 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: plays and stuff. But but still, if you're like an 128 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: American or like live in the Western world, you've still 129 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: seen however, many plays you've read, you've seen an order 130 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: of magnitude more television or film. So so actually, when 131 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: I started to write this thing, I was like, oh, 132 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: this is the first thing I've tried to write that 133 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: is easy to write. So it just came out. I like, Uh, 134 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: it was for the course of a month that I 135 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: sort of like wrote it. I I'd read enough screenplays 136 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: that i'd known. I knew the format. It's pretty simple structure. 137 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: It's forty pages, forty pages, forty pages, like it's it's 138 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: three acts. Yeah, So I like sat down and wrote 139 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: it and then had it. And then I just had it. 140 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: I just had this thing. It was very very strange, 141 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: very dry, very dark, very different from the show, more 142 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: like Virgin Suicide. It was just it was just a 143 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: different shared it shared a tone, shared a sensibility with 144 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: the show, but otherwise almost nothing. But but I knew 145 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: it was good, and it just like sat in a drawer, 146 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: try to get my agent to read it. My agent 147 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: at the time, I like, whichit agent like, I represented 148 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people from Chicago. I'm from Chicago and 149 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: represented like Tracy Letts, and so I was like, oh, 150 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: I give this to Mary and chill. It would be 151 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: off for the races and that was sort of my 152 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: And then I gave it her and she was like, oh, 153 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: this is really dark and I was like, no, no, 154 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: it's funny. It is, but it's not really. It's like funny, 155 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: but so it just sort of like sat And then 156 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: I would just give it to like actor friends of 157 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: mine when it would come up, but nobody really read it. 158 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: Would That was the development process, people reading it and 159 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: being like, oh, that's really funny and really good. Um. 160 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: Then then through a friend of a friend, this guy 161 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: Mike Novic, who ended up being a producer on the 162 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: show when it became a show. He uh, I just 163 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: sort of knew him. He read it and he was like, oh, 164 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: let me help you, let me help you get this 165 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: in me. And I was sort of like, okay, I'm 166 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: like I'm signing anything because like I did this, but 167 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: if you want to help be great, then I was 168 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: like off. So and sort of fits and starts got 169 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: it into some rooms a couple of bits, but most 170 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: people were sort of like, you know, that like open 171 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: that closed mouth, yawn in a meeting when people are oh, 172 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, it's just hard. People like what is 173 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: this kid doing in here? Um? No, one, the big 174 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: thing was the big thing. Everybody says, like, I know, 175 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: I mean it was a joke. Quier is like literally 176 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: that was the thing, Like I just don't know that 177 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: it's people know what choquiers. Oh my gosh, I know, 178 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: I know it seems crazy now, but like that's the 179 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: sort of that's the industry though, that's everybody. People look 180 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: for excuses to not do stuff. They have to see it. 181 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: But also it's like once somebody has made and successful 182 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: and there's a billion copies of it, well now it's 183 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: like oh the glee, the pitch perfect, the thing, the musical. 184 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. But there's like, no, it's very 185 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: risky to say yes to something. There's no risk in 186 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: saying no. Right. So anyway, then I was doing like 187 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: I was going through a horrible breakup in New York. 188 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: I was doing a play, first time i'd done like 189 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: regional theater. It was sort of like, uh, in Louisville, 190 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: was that the actuacy or Louisville doing a play that 191 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: was a verbatim play about like evangelical Christians, and I 192 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: think about like, even like verbatim plays, it's based on 193 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: like real interviews, it's impossible to learn the lines, like 194 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: like like dialogue is easy to read because it's sort 195 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: of like poetry like has a rhythm, but like the 196 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: way we actually somebody try to memorize is like the 197 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: way I was speaking right now. They would blow their 198 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: heads off, Like it's not it's like if possible learns. 199 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: The only time I was ever in a play were 200 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: like closing night, I was still like cramming. Wow anyway, 201 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: so I was like doing this play. I didn't really 202 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: enjoy lovely people, but it was just like, uh, it 203 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: was the pissing, pissing snow middle of winter in Louverville 204 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: of all places, and I was like what is my life? 205 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: Like what? And then get this phone call from from 206 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: like being like, hey, do you know where Ryan Murphy is? 207 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: And I was like nope, and he's like it's a 208 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: good impression of Vic's voice, by the way. Yeah. Then 209 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: then then I was like um uh, He's like, well 210 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: do you do you know Niptuck? And I was like no, 211 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: but everybody I know who talks about that show I 212 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: think is smart, and he's like okay, because like he 213 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: goes to my gym and I was like okay, okay, 214 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, I want to to get to him, 215 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: but he was in chowchoir and I was like, well, 216 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: but it's a movie, it's not TV. And he's like, 217 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: just just just let me try. And I was like, okay, 218 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 1: knock yourself out right. That's tall I get is from 219 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: like Ryan's office being like, hey, when can you come out? 220 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: He read it, liked it, I think partially, and it 221 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: was like crucial. There was this person in between that 222 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: it wasn't me handing over this script. That's what somebody 223 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: was like, Hey, my buddy has a script that I 224 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: think helped. It was like crucial. Would not would not 225 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: have have happened. My god, I don't speak anymore. We'd 226 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: have been it was falling out, although about just about money, 227 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: which is a trivial and whatever. He's a lovely guy 228 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: and I wish him well and he's great and I 229 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: think the show has done well by him sort of, 230 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: but it was like he was it was really crucial. 231 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: It was a really crucial part of it. And then 232 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: so yeah, so then went in and sat down. I 233 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: still remember the day like with sat down with Ryan 234 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: and Brad. They were like sitting here crossing right. I 235 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: remember how they were. It was in this the modular 236 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: building at Paramount. I was in. This play was running 237 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: in rep. So it was like I had a couple 238 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: of days, so I had to go back and like 239 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: do this show. So but like flying out to like 240 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: from Kentucky, I think were I like connected for like 241 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: like Albuquerque, I don't know, But then like walked in 242 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: and then we just it was just like click, like 243 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: it just clicked. I just remember like owling. We were 244 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: just like howling with Ryan was just like uh, he 245 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: was like uh. He's like I love the script, love 246 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: your voice. He's like, I think you'll have trouble making 247 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: that getting us made as a film. He's like a 248 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: film that also sort of bore similarities, but was a 249 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: movie called Charlie Partlett sort of set in high school, 250 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: sort of dark and just bombed. But they're not gonna 251 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh that's right. He's like I 252 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: want to do this as a TV show. Um. Sort 253 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: of like the tone of election just referenced all these 254 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: things I was like, oh yeah. I was like, that's it. 255 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: I also knew taking the meeting. I was like, when 256 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: you take this meeting, this is a yes, Like you're 257 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: not You're you're going on this ride like this, You're 258 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: you've been on a surfboard for a while. The wave 259 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: is coming, like you're gonna stand up on the wave 260 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: and ride, you know, like, oh, somebody is interested, absolutely, 261 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: yes whatever, yeah, yeah, and I did. It just didn't 262 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: have any could you know. It could have been like 263 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: I could have been like now and then like another 264 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: show called like Choir is on, you know right, which 265 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: would be illegal or whatever, and but but I was 266 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: just like I was like, Okay, this is gonna happen. 267 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: And then and then then at the end of the 268 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: meeting where I was like, so, uh so, anyway, so 269 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: I think that's like what we should do. I talked 270 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: to Dana. It sort of already has a green light, 271 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: uh so just figure out if you want to like 272 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: do it. And then like stumbled out of the room. 273 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: I was like, what just happened? Went back finished this 274 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: like I mean, it was the most wonderful day of 275 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: this play that I hated, like hell out of here. 276 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: And then never went back to New York, flew back 277 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: to flew to LA that would have been in like 278 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: it was right when I turned It was like right 279 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: then I turned thirty. And then it was like by 280 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: that would have been in around this time of year 281 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight. Then by June we had 282 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: written the first draft of the pilot. It got like 283 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: a green light in twenty four hours, and then it 284 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: was just like and then it cut to a year. 285 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: It was that fall, that summer we were casting you guys. Yeah, 286 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: I auditioned in July. Still, as I describe it, it 287 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: sounds like a prank. It sounds like I'm living in 288 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: an elaborate simulation. Like it's very weird, and it's a 289 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: very weird thing because it's like, man, you run that, 290 00:15:54,680 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: We run that simulation a thousand more time. That never happens, 291 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: Like it's such a thousand yard put. It's such a 292 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: weird Hollywood story. Um that in a lot of ways, 293 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: I think I've had some There was throughout was sort 294 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: of this sense of like, I mean, I think anybody 295 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: who can sort of like I mean, you guys understand 296 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: us as well, Like when you it's like when you 297 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: kind of like make it. There's a there's some like 298 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: survivor's guilt involved because you're like, well why me, Like 299 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: this is so so much of this industry is so 300 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: random that one like the sort of the finger of 301 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: fate like points at you. It is a weird feeling 302 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: to look back on it, like, yeah, that's such a crazy, 303 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: crazy instead of circumstances. I cannot believe that happened. And 304 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: then it was like we were and then it was 305 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: just like being shot out of a cannon. And then 306 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: he probably felt more that way. For you guys, I 307 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: was always like insulated by and still am of like 308 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: and then image you know, like I don't get bothered ever, 309 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: and even as big as a show got never got bothered. 310 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: So I saw you, you know seriously, but it would 311 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: be like I would it's a it's a weird. Um. 312 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: It was such a weird I felt it was weird 313 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: for me, like peak shot out of a can. And 314 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine what it was like for like nineteen 315 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: year old christl for right to be a gay icon 316 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: before it was out of the closet. You know. It's 317 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: just like crazy crazy shit like that. It's just like 318 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 1: it's it's remarkable that. I mean you guys in particular, 319 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: but anybody like sort of kept their head straight throughout 320 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: all of that. Really, anybody's like remotely normal from the 321 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: other end of just a very very strange I mean 322 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: barely we're hanging back. Yeah, you know, I'm always on 323 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: the border of being a monster. I'm just trying to 324 00:17:46,400 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: rein it in at all times. Was yours greenplay a musical? No, 325 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: uh no, no, they had their musical numbers. It did not. 326 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: I mean, well, this is the other thing. It was 327 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: the thing that we had said we were going to 328 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: do when the show was pitched. It was like one 329 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: of the things, and it was a bug that Kevin Riley, 330 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: who was the head of Fox at the time, had 331 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: that He was like, nobody breaks out in a song, 332 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: and we were like, oh yeah, yeah, nobody breaks out 333 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: in a song. I think I'm remembering this route. And 334 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: then like episode two, like that was also a talking 335 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: point we got I remember from like the pr at 336 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: Fox or like, you know, make sure you focus on 337 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: saying musical that's we only do inappropriate venues, like when 338 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: we're in the choir room in rehearsal settings, which we did, 339 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: which we did in the pilot, and then after one 340 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: episode of that, you're like, oh, it kind of run 341 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: out of ways, and then you there's the one time 342 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: that everybody can do karaoke, and then you're like, oh, yeah, 343 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: we need to and actually it then opens up the 344 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: whole show. It then then you are a musical. And 345 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: what was so great about the show and continues to 346 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: be good about it, is that a musical can achieve 347 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: different things because it is heightened and it's doing this 348 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: other thing, the emotions of it can get bigger. It's 349 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's there were not every episode I would 350 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: say that, like, and I'm always hard on the show 351 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: looking back on it, but it's like there would be 352 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: a good half of third third of the episodes of 353 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: the show where there's a some moment where watching them 354 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: hairstamp up on the back of your neck just any 355 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: other show. It's it's like a thing that musicals can do. 356 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: What are you so hard on the show? About on 357 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: yourself about the show? Well, it's really funny. I noticed 358 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: this did it yesterday. Anytime it comes up, whenever, it's like, 359 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: oh I love because a lot of people are like 360 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: my daughter is like getting into it, and I I 361 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: love watching it with her and it is so good. 362 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: And then I'm always like yeah, yeah, yeah, and this 363 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: is what I usually end up. I end up apologizing 364 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: for it. It's really weird. I'm like, oh, yeah, it's 365 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: like really good. That first like season first thirteen episodes 366 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: is the best thirteen episodes. It's like ever been put 367 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: to film. It got so big. The second season was 368 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: hard or it was like it then just got really 369 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: really big. Then then and we then Corey died. The 370 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: whole thing changed. I don't remember. There's whole sections I 371 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: don't remember. I didn't remember that Billie Eilish's brother was 372 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: on the show. Had to be reminded of this, didn't remember. 373 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: And then I'm sort of like, so it's sort of 374 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: like then the show was hard and weird and it 375 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: suddenly wasn't in a high school anymore, like it was 376 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: really weird. And then at that but then at the 377 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: at the end, like by season six, then it was like, well, 378 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: once we saw the end, then this last season is 379 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: like so wildly funny and that it's like, well, and 380 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 1: then it was like so it's really And then the 381 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: person I'm talking to is usually like staring at me 382 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: like we just wanted. They just said, like, oh, I 383 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: like your show, and I got some weird ten minute 384 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: like a Roman a clef, like a hero's journey of like, 385 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: I don't know why I feel the need to like 386 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: take everybody on that roller coaster, but that's that's very 387 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: good to hear. Similarly, the same I think we all do. 388 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: We're like, I apologize my whole little shick is. I'm like, 389 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: oh god, I'm so sorry, and they're like wow, They're like, no, 390 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: it's so good. I'm like the first three seasons pet 391 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: The thing is, nobody know. Every time I'll be like so, 392 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: they're like, wait, so there were seasons that weren't good 393 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: and then I was like oh yeah, and they're like, 394 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: oh I don't. Oh yeah, nobody. That's not anybody's experiences. 395 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: When it's also like a blackout, like where you have 396 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: also you don't really remember. I don't remember. People are like, 397 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: do you remember when this character did this? I'm like, 398 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: is that after season two or three? Yeah? Season mid 399 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: season four, I'm like, check out, we could have been 400 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't if you look back at it, it's like that 401 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: it's all very good. It's like I'm very it's a 402 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: weird thing. It's all. It mostly holds up. There are 403 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: some turds in there. There's some that like you want 404 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: to like rent out an end card at the end 405 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: that's sort of like sorry, like these are this is hard, well, 406 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: like get you next time, America. Partially it was because 407 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: here here's what I think it is for me. The 408 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: show popped on an er was huge. It's very it's 409 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: unusual for a show, you know, Big Bang Theory, huge 410 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 1: hit as big of a hit probably maybe less like 411 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: Cultural Cachet or whatever, didn't capture a moment in the 412 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: way that but nothing, nothing will anymore, just because it's 413 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: so like bifurcated the way people watch stuff we can't 414 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: agree on, like what the weather is, We're definitely not 415 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: going to agree on, like what America's watching. You know 416 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: that time is over. But like, uh, but you know, 417 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: a show like Big Bang Theory, like nobody knew it 418 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: was on until season four and then it grows and 419 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: grows finds out what it is. This is the exact 420 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: opposite that we're like shout out I can and then 421 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: huge and then it's like we're after the super Bowl 422 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,719 Speaker 1: in like who are the ad wizards that came up 423 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,479 Speaker 1: with that one, you know, and then it's like and 424 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: then when you have and it was all great, you know, 425 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: then we're it's just doing huge stuff. But when you 426 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: have like when Gwynneth comes on, when Gwynne's Paltrow is 427 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: a is the substitute teacher who killed it, like, it's awesome, 428 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: like one an Emmy four, She's amazing. But once you 429 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: once it's sort of heightened to that when like Ricky 430 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: Martin's the Spanish teacher, the stakes of the show go up, 431 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: you kind of can't really go back. It's not a 432 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: small show anymore. It's sort of like big and then 433 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: it's a musical and it's on itself enough, but it 434 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: can then comment on that, right, So much of my 435 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: job on the show, primarily my job was commenting on 436 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: the show. It was the show. Yeah, I felt this 437 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: like all I did half half of what I did, 438 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: which is mostly through the character of Sue through Jane, 439 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: but it was all all commentary about the show, which 440 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: I think I think made the show work because it 441 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: just we could then do anything. You could have a 442 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: really really saccharin sweet thing and then like cut it 443 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: and just be like yes, but we know this is 444 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: stupid because SHOWQUI is stupid, you know, like that that 445 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: was always the thing, and it made the ship. That 446 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 1: was like the fresnt of the show. Anyway, Then it 447 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: was like, then the show is expensive to make. We 448 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: were the last show I think ever to shoot on film, 449 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: which is not a cheap show. And we did not 450 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: go cheap for anything. Now, we didn't crazy crazy budgets 451 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,479 Speaker 1: and partly we could afford that by offsetting it with 452 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: music sales. So then there was this push for which 453 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: did more singles than Elvis, which is crazy, like what 454 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: Drake just recently beat us. So there's that. Well finally 455 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: final finally took them this long. Yeah, and then but 456 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: it was like that, yeah, that that that like. So 457 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: then instead of the show breaking old music, you know, 458 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: essentially it's a repackaging journey for a different generation, we 459 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: were then sort of doing like itune hits that are 460 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: like top forty hits that were already hits. Just the 461 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: show changed. It became a thing, became aware of itself, 462 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: which is fine and was fun. It just and in 463 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: a way you had to do it. You're not going 464 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: to be able to go back from that But in 465 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: the context of that, what was happening Because it's a 466 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: network show. Every Tuesday, you'd look at like TV by 467 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: the numbers and you'd be like, oh, our ratings are 468 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: going down. Yeah, you're like oh and everybody'd be like, 469 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: oh wait, they're going down there. So it was in 470 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: this narrative in between my ears, like oh, the show's 471 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: not as good anymore. What the real story is is 472 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: it like everybody's ratings were going down because like how 473 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: people watch television is changing now, those ratings, even the 474 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: Glee at its lowest would be like one of the 475 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: highest rating shows online. I was thinking that I saw 476 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: something premiered this week and they're saying how many There's 477 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: like five million viewers. This is the top comedy. If 478 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: something is a one. If something is a one in 479 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: like eighteen to forty nine, yeah, a season, you know, 480 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: and it's lea and we were like aiming for like 481 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: three point five to four. Oh yeah, it's height. I 482 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: think one. I think the Super Bowl I've so got 483 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: like a it was like a twenty and it was 484 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: huge in the world there was it got a fifty. 485 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: Shit if I'm not making this a fifty share when 486 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: it premiered in Australia, which means that I definitely half 487 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: of all Australian televisions when Glee first aired. We're watching 488 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: Glee like it was huge when you're talking about the 489 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: music of it, where it can reach or do things 490 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: at all, especially a comedy can't do. And the thing 491 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: about Glee was because they sent us to Australia before 492 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: the show even premiered in the US, because it was 493 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: the pilot did as well there as it even better 494 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: than it did here where, even with cultural differences, and 495 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: especially in countries that didn't speak English as their first language. 496 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: Comedies American comedies always have a harder time. You're always 497 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: going to have your exceptions like Big Bang or Friends. 498 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: But the music is played around the world and understood 499 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: and sung along with regardless, people already knew the songs 500 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: that we were doing, so that also gave the show 501 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: this extra advantage to connect culturally with all these different countries. 502 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: That also, we're not getting American programming as quickly as 503 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: it did then with Glee, because once the response came out, 504 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: I remember Fox being like, okay, well, how do we 505 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: Within twenty four hours it was airing in Australia from 506 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: when it aired in the US and then they did 507 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: that with the UK as well and selling it to 508 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: the biggest channel network and Brazil that fed seventy five 509 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: percent of Brazility, Like this is this makes no sense 510 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: because I had friends in Brazil where like we don't 511 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: get American comedies like this, right, Like we were a comedy? 512 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: Were we a comedy after season two? I don't know. Yeah, yeah, 513 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: I have a question. I have a lot of questions. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 514 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: I have a question. I want to talk about Sue 515 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: Sylvester for a second. Yeah, was it always you that 516 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: was writing Sue? How hard was it to write Sue 517 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: for for you? Like was she or hard to write 518 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: or just is it just your brain? It was just 519 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: buying large to say whatever he wanted. Yeah, let's say 520 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: about about ninety eight percent of her that's probably I 521 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: think that's fair. I wrote over five percent of her stuff, 522 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: although I think not in the pilot. I think it 523 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: was when we were shooting the show that it then shifted. 524 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: It was like from episode one from like Showman's on. 525 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: But no, it's super easy to write because it was 526 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: always it was. I'm most my writing process is mostly listening. 527 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: You sort of listen for a voice in your head, 528 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: and then when you know the actor and the actor 529 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: is good, you know that that becomes much easier. And 530 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: Jane is so she just had it. She had it, yeah, 531 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: and then so it was easy for me to have. 532 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: But then you can just and she can just sort 533 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: of do it all just like has it and can 534 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: do so sort of those like arias um. But it 535 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,719 Speaker 1: was just you could sort of unleash your it a 536 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: little bit and comment on anything stupid that I thought 537 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: was happening in the show. You could just just voice 538 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: it and then you sort of like have your cake 539 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: and eat it, eat it too. Jane said that she 540 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: would get like pages like model, some of her monologues 541 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: would be like pages with zero punctuation. That it ended 542 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: up that way. It didn't always start that way actually, 543 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: and actually rereading the stuff from the first um, the 544 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: first season, it's very staccato, and then I think it 545 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: just got like you just have fun and you're just like, oh, 546 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: it's on and on and on. It's such a You're like, oh, 547 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: that's that's hard too. That would be hard to memorize. 548 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, no, she it was always like it was 549 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: always a joy and she's she's just when you just 550 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: have a mind meld with somebody like that, it's just 551 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: like you. Yeah. It just became such a such a 552 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: release and such a such a joy and actually really 553 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: unusual in television for like you to be sort of 554 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: tasked with and allowed to sort of have one character 555 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: to yourself to be like no, no, no no, that's mine, 556 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: to constantly do it. But it means like, oh no, no no, 557 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: that that's mine. Nobody else much as this, which was 558 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: a cool, yeah, cool feeling. When this was a thing 559 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: that sort of nominally like began as mine and then 560 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: you have to sort of like share it, it became 561 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: something that I think it was very crucial for me 562 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: that I was like, oh no, there's parts of this 563 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: that are like just mine. And that was I think, 564 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: um feeding for me. Did you have how often or 565 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: at all did like they make you rewrite any of 566 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: sus stuff? Like how far could you take it? Because 567 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: if you look back now, it's a lot of it 568 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: was very like Trump year. It was absolutely crazy. Not 569 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: do not think I did not have this thought when 570 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump was elected. I literally is like, I 571 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: don't think you get a Donald Trump with us silent 572 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: because there was a whole is it like I did 573 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: this to us? But who said it? Because when you 574 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: we played a game like that, like it could be Trump, 575 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: could be Sue and you would not know the difference. 576 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: I know, I know, Yeah, it's really scary. Yeah yeah, 577 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: I usually didn't. They it was good for Fox. And 578 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: it's also credit to Ryan who will sort of just 579 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: he he just swats away dumb feedback and stuff that 580 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: if something if if something like that, they he was 581 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: pretty good about, um just not do any meaning that 582 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: sort of um censorship for lack of a better word, um. 583 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: And then so they just sort of give up. But 584 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: also the I remember Aaron Rollins. There there's the the 585 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: BS ANDP the Broadcast Standards and Practice is people who 586 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: are normally the sensors. They say like, no, we're actually 587 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: saving you from the sensors. We're trying to make sure 588 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: that everything that goes on air we don't get in 589 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: trouble for so you're not censored. So we're not the sensors. 590 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: But they're kind of the sensors. But they buy pre screeners, right, 591 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,239 Speaker 1: but really liked the show, so it would always be 592 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: like oh, I'm trying. They'd be like, I want to. 593 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: We want to try to get stuff across. One of 594 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: the hardest things to get across Intellivision is brand names. 595 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: And when I'm writing jokes, brand names come up a lot. 596 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: It's more fun to say like Rozac than like an 597 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: m Aoi inhibitor, right, An m Ai inhibitor is a 598 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: good punchline. But like so that sometimes always hard to 599 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: get across. That that was, and some shows they just 600 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: don't to the pick. Guess we can't do it. You're like, 601 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no, no, just do it, like wait 602 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: for Pepsi Max to sue you Like, right, go for 603 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: the joke, lose the money later. Seriously, it's all about 604 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: the choke. Yeah, that's what I always say. Lose lose 605 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: the friend, but don't lose the joke. That's right, that's 606 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: exactly You've got to get it out. How stoke are you? 607 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: When they cast Jane? Were you you must have been 608 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: a Jane Lunch fan before, were you not? Yeah? Yeah, 609 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: oh yeah yeah she wasn't in the pilot. Yeah, it 610 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,959 Speaker 1: was like the first draft and I remember seeing it happened. 611 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: It was it was a notes call with like Kevin 612 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: Riley and we were all in there and he's like, 613 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: love it, love it, love it. I think you need 614 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: an antagonist inside the show choir and then or inside 615 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: the high school. And then I remember sort of Ryan 616 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: like leaning back in his chair and being like, I 617 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: think I got it. I think it should be like 618 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: a like a cheerleading coach, and I think it should 619 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: be Jane Lynch. And it was just like that, and 620 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: then you're like, oh, right, right, and like pick now 621 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: the show doesn't see it wouldn't make sense without her. 622 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: But it was like you really needed that, But that 623 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: was not our first instinct. I think it was more 624 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: because we were more there's not really in election, which 625 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: is sort of like the loadstone for the tone of 626 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: the show. There isn't really That person is kind of 627 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 1: the right things, So I think we and we had 628 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: the adult story and and Terry was sort of the thing, 629 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 1: but he was he was completely right. It was like 630 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: a very very astute note. And then like the quickest 631 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: turnaround of like a swish of a like answer to 632 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 1: that note that I've ever seen it like happened, and 633 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: then like and then we stole her off a party down. Yeah, 634 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: it was like she was in like second position on 635 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: that show or whatever wasn't a series regulars and we 636 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: were like yoink, which probably caused I think sort of 637 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: caused that show to not come back thankfully. No, it's 638 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: just come back. Yeah, Jane will always have work. That's fine. 639 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,959 Speaker 1: Oh god, oh he's always gonna it seems like also 640 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: like from everything you're saying, the moment from when you 641 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 1: Brad and Ryan met the first time to all these 642 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: like the notes call and all these things, you guys 643 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: had this chemistry to be able to turn out anything 644 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: and everything really really rapidly, such that we didn't hire 645 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: a writing staff, like we wrote. We wrote forty six 646 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,959 Speaker 1: straight episodes, which, by the way, when you I think 647 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 1: when you were like giving yourself shit for looking back 648 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: at the show, you were writing twenty two episodes a year. 649 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: And I think when Ryan was on he was talking 650 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 1: about the difficulty of that, and I think we forget 651 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: now that that was a thing, and it's like, okay, 652 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: so what if you have a clunker or three in 653 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: a season, which, by the way, the episodes that since 654 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: him I have been going back and watching this the episodes, 655 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: remember not liking we loved there's only one in season 656 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: one that I'm like, we could have funk funk. However, 657 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 1: I will say, you do a lot of commentary on 658 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: that one within the episode, and it is gold. Yeah, 659 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: everything is called out and usually it's by Sue. It 660 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: was by Jane or Naya, and it just whipped to 661 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 1: Nia being like, why is this happening right now? It 662 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: was it was very good, So I didn't love it 663 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: whole a whole things that like at the time, I 664 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: was like, what are we doing? And then watching it back, 665 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 1: You're like, no, that's totally funny and it's certainly good 666 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: for like free TV. That caused anybody zero dollars, you know, 667 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: it's like what more do you need? America? Like it 668 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: was like really, but again it's but it's America's not 669 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: the problem. It's me. It's like my own it's being 670 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: self critical. And again part of this narrative that we 671 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: were sort of lashed to like, oh, it's it's going 672 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: down in quality, which it was evinced by just ratings 673 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: and ratings were going down everywhere. And then it was 674 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 1: also at the time when like criticism changed that like 675 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: that that on like entertainment journalism. If you want to 676 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: call it that like went online mostly and then it 677 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: and the internet. This podcast being the loan Exception is 678 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 1: just like Sewer, like the actual him and Sewer. Yeah no, 679 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: but it's just like there's just nothing good. I mean 680 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:11,359 Speaker 1: that it's online anything is like mostly like in inside 681 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: Society's like awful brain. So it's like it was just 682 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 1: it's just a place where like snark ruled. And then 683 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: it was sort of like so you could just never win. 684 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: You'd be like even because you like loved, like, there'd 685 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: be just articles would be like here's why this episode. Yeah, 686 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. It's so good, but 687 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,399 Speaker 1: here's why it sucks. But I love it. But it's 688 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: seth but I love it. Just like what So it 689 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: was just it was that whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa pause, unreal. 690 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I've never heard his perspective ever, 691 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 1: especially when when we were working we weren't necessarily asking 692 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: those questions or did we know to be asking, you know, 693 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: the questions like how is everyone doing? What was this 694 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: like for you five years ago when we started this 695 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: whole thing. This is blowing my mind and we're just 696 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: getting into it. There's more, there is more next time. Yeah, 697 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: and so far, that's what you really missed. See you 698 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: back soon. Thanks for listening, and follow us on Instagram 699 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: at and that's what you really miss pod. Make sure 700 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,240 Speaker 1: to write us a review and leave us five stars. 701 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: See you next time.