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Speaker 1: Joe Grande and Mark and Craig Wasserman the Pot Brothers

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Cannabis Talk one oh one, the

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Speaker 1: Mr Joe Grande. Thank you, Mr Christopher right, and thank

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Speaker 1: Well Mark, is that WoT law Craig is that WoT

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Speaker 1: law dog Blue? Is that one? Christopher writes, Hello, and

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Speaker 1: I am at Joe Grande fifty two and as we

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Speaker 1: are all the way live here in beautiful Las Vegas,

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Speaker 1: Nevada for the m J Biscon events. If you're not

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Speaker 1: at these type of events, folks, you're really missing out

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Speaker 1: because there's so much that goes on here. It's basically

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Speaker 1: what we call the super Bowl of cannabis events. And

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Speaker 1: we are blessed to talk to the quarterback of all

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Speaker 1: the events. As I say, it's the super Bowl of cannabis.

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Speaker 1: We have the CEO of m J BISCN, Mr Chris Wallas. Chris,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on the show with

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Speaker 1: us today. Hey, thanks for having me excited. Chris. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's just so crazy that we have the CEO of

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Speaker 1: MJ biscom because how does this even get started? I

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Speaker 1: want the history of m J biscom because you don't

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Speaker 1: become a super Bowl of your first year. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you guys have built this up to be a monster.

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Speaker 1: Is it all you're creating? Talk about it? Please give

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Speaker 1: us a story. Ye tennant half years ago to ten

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Speaker 1: news analysis, market research, and so we realized after about

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Speaker 1: That's it was just a fact. So we needed we

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Speaker 1: we did launched m J Biscon in two thousand twelve

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Speaker 1: with the idea of doing just that, a professional place

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Speaker 1: to come in and help businesses survive and thrive and grow.

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Speaker 1: And so over the years, our first show was in Denver.

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Speaker 1: I know we all want to keep talking to you

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Speaker 1: because you're a great guy. We're having an after party

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Speaker 1: tonight at Hustler. You're more than welcome to come have

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Speaker 1: a good time. The first lap dance I'm giving you

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Speaker 1: was on me. Is it you? Who's doing that? Come on, Chris,

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Speaker 1: what are you looking at? I got the best Rerex

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Speaker 1: smarts and this West of the Mississippi. Chris Walls appreciate

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Speaker 1: you man. Thank you guys, appreciate it. Are the Mississippi.

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Speaker 1: There it is, guys, Cannabis Talk. We'll be right back

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Speaker 1: after this break. Take a hit, get lit, and sit

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Speaker 1: back and enjoy Cannabis Talk one oh one, Mark and Craig,

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Speaker 1: the Pop Brothers at Law, Blue Joe and our full

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Speaker 1: Cannabis Talk one oh one team. Big thanks to Erica,

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Speaker 1: Daniel cow Is, a Christian, Denny Kevin, Andrew, Zach Cash,

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Speaker 1: Cam Salar, Nadia, Ali Pitt, Chris, Frankino, Jennifer and Elvis.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys for putting it all together. Joe, what's

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Speaker 1: going on? Well? First off, you guys, I think I

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Speaker 1: can speak for all of us by saying Chris Walsh

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Speaker 1: was a class actor hearing everything he had to say

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Speaker 1: about the story of m J Biscon, starting off in

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Speaker 1: Denver when nobody wanted them, then to go to Seattle

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Speaker 1: and via Temple, I mean just to be at the

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Speaker 1: the the finally come to Las Vegas, to start with

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Speaker 1: just a few places at the Rio. What a phenomenal story.

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Speaker 1: To see where it's at today here at m J

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Speaker 1: Biscon in Las Vegas with over twelve boots and to

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Speaker 1: think how Chris Walls is a great guy and you

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Speaker 1: know what, all kidding the side. I really love the

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Speaker 1: way that these guys are so business business here. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean topics. It's like it's all business here, folks.

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Speaker 1: We are a loose group here at Cannabis, stuck when

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Speaker 1: we're business. But sometimes we need to tighten up with

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Speaker 1: a few things. Are masks or this or that? You

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Speaker 1: know what. I condemned them for doing their jobs. I

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Speaker 1: take my hat off to them, saying, you know what,

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Speaker 1: they're doing their job and their most staff is doing

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Speaker 1: what it takes to get the job done to their

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Speaker 1: their yes, and you know what, and for that, I

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Speaker 1: love it as much as I'm like, oh, well, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I got oh, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to do that. We do gotta do that, and I

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Speaker 1: gotta do it. So at me and said, I want

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Speaker 1: to share a story with you guys. It's not necessarily

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Speaker 1: going green, it's not necessarily making ways, but it's maybe

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Speaker 1: it's both of them. It's definitely not when cannabis goes bad.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to get your guys as thoughts and

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Speaker 1: opinions on this one. New York employees This is breaking

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Speaker 1: news out of the East Coast from New York employees.

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Speaker 1: They can now test they cannot no longer test employees

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Speaker 1: for weed, cannabis cannabis, So New Yorkers can now unwid

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Speaker 1: the little cannabis after work with no worries, as Alberanese

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Speaker 1: Labor Department issued new guidance just on this past Tuesday

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Speaker 1: that bands employers and the state from testing employees for cannabis.

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Speaker 1: Now here's the catch, though, Mark, unless the workers seems

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Speaker 1: visibly stoned on the dark too. So here's the question

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Speaker 1: I want to read more. But the question I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: add she is, what does visually stone mean to you? Mark?

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna have a good answer because

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Speaker 1: you're such a homework. You will have a good answer

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Speaker 1: because he's realistic. I will have a real answer because

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Speaker 1: I'm a realistic even reeking up, listen those listen to

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Speaker 1: this because there's more things. But I want to ask

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Speaker 1: you guys that opinion on that one. Right, But under

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Speaker 1: these new rules, even reeking, the smell of pot smoke

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Speaker 1: would not be grounds for a test. After the state

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Speaker 1: ended it's prohibition on recreational cannabis is free observation signs

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Speaker 1: of the use and do not indicate impyramids of their

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Speaker 1: own cannot be cited as articularly symptoms of impairments. The

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Speaker 1: guidance states, it's still so questionable every language that they're

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Speaker 1: using here, Mark, I mean you're a lawyer, you yes,

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Speaker 1: you see this all the time, because who were ked?

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Speaker 1: You staring at the window? Is the case? Right? Like,

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Speaker 1: so it doesn't really matter because they say, the guided

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Speaker 1: states right, however, employers are within here's the key to However,

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Speaker 1: employers are within their rights to ban workers from possessing

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Speaker 1: cannabis on the job site, according to the guidance. I'm

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Speaker 1: okay with that. Why can't I have my Viking and

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Speaker 1: on the job site? No, that's a good observation. The

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Speaker 1: actually it depends what jobs have other prescription medica. You

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Speaker 1: know what's funny is I remember being at work having

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Speaker 1: to take a Viking and because of my tooth pain,

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Speaker 1: when I went to power one of six and it

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Speaker 1: killed me, I had to go to the I had

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Speaker 1: to go to Jason Ryan's office and laid down because

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Speaker 1: I couldn't even work, like, I couldn't talk like like

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Speaker 1: it just feeling crappy. So I cannabis remains illegal on

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Speaker 1: the federal level, and workers who are required to be

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Speaker 1: tested under federal and state law, like commercial vehicle drivers,

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Speaker 1: would still have to That's what they're saying they have

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Speaker 1: to do. After Governor Andrew Cuomo signed the recreational bill

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Speaker 1: in the law, you know, this is still bottom line,

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Speaker 1: you guys, a great move in the direction of cannabis

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Speaker 1: and workers being able to use it. My question, though,

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Speaker 1: starting with you Blue, is what is it that says

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Speaker 1: this person looks visually as they use here stoned on

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Speaker 1: the job? What is visually stoned on that because is

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Speaker 1: it what Jennifer looks like when she's staring in the

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Speaker 1: corner when she exclaims she's at work she comes back

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Speaker 1: from lunch. Yeah, so I don't know. Look, Jennifer's stoned

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Speaker 1: all the time, so it's hard to tell. You know.

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Speaker 1: Here's here's the thought process. Okay, you've got people that

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Speaker 1: are going to abuse anything. Whatever you got the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to abuse, they will abuse it. Right, So if you

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Speaker 1: feel that someone's visually stoned, I mean, you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't think that you should be able to look at

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Speaker 1: someone and be like your stone. I know, my I

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Speaker 1: got a little cousin named Dielo, and his eyes are

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Speaker 1: just always so low that it just he looks ripped

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Speaker 1: every time you see him. So if you pulled up

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Speaker 1: on him or pulled him over, there's no way in

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Speaker 1: hell that you were not gonna be able to tell

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Speaker 1: if he was higher night, because he just always looks stone.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and he doesn't even smoke. So the kid

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Speaker 1: just there's definitely those there. There's a lot of people

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Speaker 1: that have that stone look, that stoned eye, like that

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Speaker 1: has a lazy eye, or somebody who has allergies and

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Speaker 1: their eyes are constantly But can't you tell. Can't you

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Speaker 1: tell that? Like even with your boy that you're mentioning blue,

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Speaker 1: can't you tell he has that little scenario or issue

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Speaker 1: rather than being stoned. There's a time when when when

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Speaker 1: we get to a point where you know, you could

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Speaker 1: tell someone if you know them well enough, like yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's he's ripped, you know what I'm saying. Like I

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Speaker 1: could look at Mark when Mark's ripped, and I see

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Speaker 1: him Mark, and he's either yeah, but you gotta know

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Speaker 1: somebody if but at the at the office and and

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Speaker 1: and at the office, I would say if Mark was Overstone.

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Speaker 1: I could look at him like, Mark, you're ripped dude,

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Speaker 1: right now. He's never that ripped that early though, No,

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Speaker 1: not that early. This is bullshit. But no, no, not

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Speaker 1: that the laws bullshit. Mark. My question to you is,

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Speaker 1: can you say that you can see somebody that's visually

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Speaker 1: stoned on the job. Do you think you can make

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Speaker 1: that decision? No? Why? Because what what is visually stoned?

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Speaker 1: What is that? What do? What does that even mean?

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Speaker 1: Do you want me to give you an ye? Okay,

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Speaker 1: give me give me an example. I got a great one. Actually, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you guys ready for this one. I was head of

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Speaker 1: security back in the day before I got into radio.

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Speaker 1: It is a bouncer. You guys know the story. My

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Speaker 1: older brother Rick, who worked for us for me, was

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Speaker 1: working the front door. Now, there was no secret. We

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Speaker 1: got stoned every day before we went to the job. Right,

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Speaker 1: we got high, go to work whatever whatever that being said.

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Speaker 1: He got high. He's working the front door and he

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Speaker 1: stuck on stupid and staring out there sitting on the

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Speaker 1: chair with look to the owner comes up to me

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Speaker 1: and he goes and he the owner knows he smoked weed. Right,

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Speaker 1: there's no secret. Sure, Joe. Do you guys smoke before

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Speaker 1: he came out? Of course, but Mr functioning over here,

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Speaker 1: I could smoke, and I worked, and I was the

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Speaker 1: head of security. I had to do whatever the things

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Speaker 1: I had to do. And you're working at the front door.

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Speaker 1: You're doing. My point is, when I think of this story,

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Speaker 1: I think of my brother as one example, because I

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Speaker 1: looked at him and he had this stone stuck on,

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Speaker 1: stupid looks, staring out to the crowd. Instead of standing

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Speaker 1: up strong, being at the front door with a posture

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Speaker 1: of a welcoming he had a posture of But there

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Speaker 1: are people who looked like that. I'm not saying there's nut.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, hold on on. I agree with what Blue said,

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Speaker 1: and you said, I agree, there's people that look like that.

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Speaker 1: But if you're at the job, your job knows you

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Speaker 1: look like that, right, So don't say something to me

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Speaker 1: that your job already knows. This is sane in New York.

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Speaker 1: If you look stoned, that's not okay. I actually agree

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Speaker 1: with it. That is saying your employer gets to exactly

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Speaker 1: to stop. Your employer gets to decide if he thinks

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Speaker 1: you look stoned. Well, it says the testing employees for

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Speaker 1: cannabis unless the worker seems visibly stone on the job

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Speaker 1: who decides that once again, once again, exactly if he

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Speaker 1: doesn't like somebody, oh you look Stone today, get out

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Speaker 1: of here. But the odds of that happening, the odds

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Speaker 1: comes to a point because because now it's now it's

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Speaker 1: you can leverage it to get rid of somebody now,

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Speaker 1: So someone it's leveraging getting test rule is gonna get

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Speaker 1: pushed over like that Bush Labor department Istion new Guarden

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Speaker 1: saying the bands of employers in the state are from

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Speaker 1: testing employees for cannabis unless the word But here's the

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Speaker 1: other key. The job may not have a cannabis uh

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Speaker 1: scenario of whether or not it's something that they do

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Speaker 1: or not. So we don't know that, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. But my point is, if somebody you work with,

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Speaker 1: we know how they look, we know how they are,

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Speaker 1: you know who's working with you. To your point, Blue, yes,

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Speaker 1: somebody could use that a game they're going to it's

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Speaker 1: not if they can or when what's gonna happen. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know I'm gonna smell it and then go, oh

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Speaker 1: you look Stone. You wouldn't do it well. They said,

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Speaker 1: smells not enough probable cause. But look, let me ask

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Speaker 1: you this. If you're sitting there, let me ask you

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Speaker 1: the scenario you're ready to this. You come to the

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Speaker 1: office and I'm doing data entry and I'm sitting there

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Speaker 1: looking at my computer and my fingers aren't moving, but

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Speaker 1: I'm staring at my computer and I'm stuck on stupid,

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Speaker 1: going oh my god, and I look, Stone, is that

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Speaker 1: probable cause to come to me and say, dude, are

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Speaker 1: you Stone? You're not doing your job? No? What what?

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Speaker 1: I could just as easily say, hey, man, you're spacing

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Speaker 1: out a little bit. What are you thinking about? And

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Speaker 1: then I go thinking about the and he goes, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm stoned. Well, then he stuffed. Then he's a dummy

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Speaker 1: because he admitted it. And now he's sucked himself because

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Speaker 1: he admitted it and he didn't shut the funk up.

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Speaker 1: Well either way, I just thought that was an interesting

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Speaker 1: story to talk about. Listen that I'm having a blast

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Speaker 1: here at m J Biscon. Guy, just Cannabis Talk one

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Speaker 1: on one and remember this, even no one else loves you.

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