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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast John Batcheler week nights nine till midnight,

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Speaker 1: right after Jesse Kelly on sevent ten WR. Now it's

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Speaker 1: the Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Thursday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We

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Speaker 2: appreciate all of you hanging out with us. The Trump

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Speaker 2: Show is back in earnest. We've got a lot of

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Speaker 2: stories to get to. We will talk about the border.

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Speaker 2: We've got Attorney General of Texas Ken Paxton coming on

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Speaker 2: to talk about Title forty two expiring at midnight tonight.

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Speaker 2: What is going to happen down there, Julio Rojas who

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Speaker 2: is also going to be with us from down at

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Speaker 2: the border.

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Speaker 3: Both of those things to.

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Speaker 2: Come throughout the program, But we begin with what I

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Speaker 2: imagine many of you were doing last night. And I

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Speaker 2: treated this Trump town hall on CNN like it was

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Speaker 2: a sporting event.

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Speaker 3: Buck.

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Speaker 2: I had it set in my phone even yesterday when

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Speaker 2: we were on the program. I was trying to make

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Speaker 2: sure that I knew exactly what time it was going

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Speaker 2: to be on, so I didn't miss a moment. And

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Speaker 2: I think big takeaways off the top was.

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Speaker 3: What a monster win for Trump.

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Speaker 2: And whoever on his staff got CNN to agree that

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Speaker 2: they would have a town hall filled with Trump supporters

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Speaker 2: and quote undeclared or undecided voters in New Hampshire buck

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Speaker 2: the moment Trump walked out and got a standing ovation,

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Speaker 2: I thought to myself, Oh my goodness, Caitlin Collins is

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Speaker 2: like an official or a referee in a game where

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Speaker 2: the home crowd is going to ride her in earnest.

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Speaker 2: I thought this was a monster win for Trump. Whatever

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Speaker 2: you think about what Trump said during the town hall,

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Speaker 2: and we will certainly dive into many of those different answers,

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Speaker 2: what I would say is, and I tweeted this, and

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Speaker 2: I believe Trump ended up sharing it from truth Social

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Speaker 2: that hour plus that he spent on CNN in the

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Speaker 2: Belly of the Beast, in the in the in the

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Speaker 2: Lions cage, effectively with CNN throwing everything they had at him.

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Speaker 2: There is absolutely no way on the planet that Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden would be capable of sitting with c and with

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Speaker 2: maybe with CNN and MSNBC where they just gave him softballs.

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Speaker 2: But if you really put let's say, somebody to go

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Speaker 2: after him on Fox News, like Caitlyn Collins went after Trump.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe Biden would still be able to be

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Speaker 2: president after an hour that heck buck.

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Speaker 3: We've said this before.

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Speaker 2: If Joe Biden came on our radio show for an hour,

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Speaker 2: I think open invite, we would have him on, just

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Speaker 2: like we had RFK Junior on. I think at the

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Speaker 2: end of that hour, with us asking him questions, the

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Speaker 2: number one thing people would be saying, who are reasonable

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Speaker 2: and rational, is there's no way this guy can remain president.

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Speaker 2: And I thought Trump, whether you love him or hate him,

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Speaker 2: he came in. He took everything they could throw at him,

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Speaker 2: and I think it was an overwhelming win for Trump

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Speaker 2: and his campaign to be reelected in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: So the town hall was supposed to be a ninety

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Speaker 4: minute broadcast. I saw that, and they thought it would

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Speaker 4: go seventy five minutes, but they stopped it at seventy minutes.

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Speaker 4: This was out last night from a couple of reporters,

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Speaker 4: so it seems like they wanted to walk off the

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Speaker 4: a boxing match. They had enough, they were done. It's

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Speaker 4: fascinating the setup here. First of all, yes, I think

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Speaker 4: because people are arguing this two ways. On the one hand,

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Speaker 4: the CNN faithful, whatever you think of them, are disgusted

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Speaker 4: by this whole phenomenon.

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Speaker 3: They're disgusted with CNN.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I mean. They're they're furious that CNN

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Speaker 4: and you even see you know, what's the hard left

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Speaker 4: position on this, it's why did you platform him? Why

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Speaker 4: did you platform the leading Republican contender, which just goes

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Speaker 4: to show you their plan is to silence. Their plan

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Speaker 4: is never to engage and actually battle it out in

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Speaker 4: the realm of ideas. But beyond that, I if you're

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Speaker 4: just looking at this in terms of the strategy, what

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Speaker 4: it's gonna be an ambush. Trump can handle that anywhere, right,

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Speaker 4: Gonna be an ambush because I assumed it would be

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Speaker 4: a mixed politically crowd of some some quote Democrats who

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Speaker 4: to really hammer him, a couple of independence, a couple

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to this is New Hampshire. Oh, I'm sorry

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Speaker 4: same idea. I don't know what the redist county in

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Speaker 4: New Hampshire would be. So you know, they they go

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Speaker 4: they say are Republicans yep, and they're all going after them,

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Speaker 4: and they're all and and uh rather they're they're asking

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Speaker 4: the questions. And you're sitting here thinking what is the

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Speaker 4: win for CNN in this process? You have a crowd

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Speaker 4: that is cheering on Trump, you have a an anchor

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Speaker 4: who has never done anything like this before. And let

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Speaker 4: me say, interviewing Trump when you're on team Trump, Let's

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Speaker 4: be honest, Like interviewing Trump when you're a supporter, you know,

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Speaker 4: when the bear is loose, you're not putting the bear

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Speaker 4: She is trying to from the other side, from the

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Speaker 2: And the other thing to think about from Caitlyn. So,

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people went after Caitlyn Collins,

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Speaker 2: so they had certainly in her ear, a team of

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Speaker 2: fact checkers at CNN furiously sitting in front of their laptops,

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Speaker 2: you know, trying to feed her information to blow up Trump.

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Speaker 2: And I thought that Trump again right into the lions Den.

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Speaker 2: This is what so many people want. They want an

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Speaker 2: unapologetic defense of Republican policies. Now, I didn't think Trump

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Speaker 2: was perfect. I said afterwards, it's a home run. It

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Speaker 2: wasn't a grand slam. I think Buck, we can have

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Speaker 2: an interesting conversation about if you went back and watched

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Speaker 2: the tape, right, you win a game. Trump won the game,

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Speaker 2: and he dominated the game, and it was not particularly

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Speaker 3: But even when you win a game, and even if you.

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Speaker 2: Dominate, you'll go back and watch the film and you'll say, oh,

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Speaker 2: down the game film. There are opportunities I thought where

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Speaker 2: one mention. I think of Ron DeSantis, he basically was

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Speaker 2: already running a presidential campaign. The idea that this was

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Speaker 4: So that's the part of this that that feels disjointing,

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Speaker 4: that doesn't really make much sense from, you know, the

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Speaker 4: having Trump. Trump got to just do his thing up there,

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Speaker 4: and he's super I mean, he's super entertaining. It's an

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Speaker 4: enormous advantage. Whatever someone thinks of Trump, it's an enormous

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Speaker 4: and to be funny and to look like nothing really

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Speaker 4: bothers him. It all rolls off him. But the other

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Speaker 4: part of this is they say it's a Republican primary

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Speaker 4: town hall. No issues that are being fought out not

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Speaker 4: that there's a whole lot of fighting going on right

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Speaker 4: all Republicans agree Jan six, treatment of prisoners rather of

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Speaker 4: people that have been is bad, right. All Republicans agree

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Speaker 4: either those things where we have total Republican agreement or

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Speaker 4: Trump very Trump's specific things. So you didn't get into

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Speaker 4: some of the areas where I think it would have

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Speaker 4: conversation on the right in any real way. They ran

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Speaker 4: a it was a town hall for the general election,

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Speaker 4: it just feels like the whole vision of this was

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Speaker 4: but it doesn't really change. There was no one's changing

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Speaker 4: Trump to be Trump and do his thing. I don't

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Speaker 4: think you're winning over voters with that last night, because

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Speaker 4: it wasn't also really addressing issues that independence will be

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Speaker 4: in some ways in terms of what is this really,

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Speaker 4: what's the focus of this, Like, what are we trying

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Speaker 4: to show? They just wanted to have a CNN attack

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Speaker 4: on Trump that drastically failed. Great, but doesn't seem like

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Speaker 4: it made any sense from a CNN perspective, and it

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Speaker 4: seems like there's a lot that's left as open territory.

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Speaker 2: To me, the CNN move was we are willing to

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Speaker 2: That's why they had Trump on for I think the

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Speaker 2: also think they believed that they would elevate because news

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Speaker 2: struck me over and over again, and I don't think

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Speaker 2: it gets enough attention, is Trump is probably the best

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Speaker 2: I think is interesting about that is Reagan was a

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Speaker 2: professional actor. So it's not a surprise that someone who

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Speaker 2: in a way that advances his message so succinctly and

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Speaker 2: so perfectly. Trump came to television later in life, and

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Speaker 2: obviously with The Apprentice and everything else, but my goodness,

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Speaker 2: as long as we've been alive, he is so theatrical

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Speaker 2: in understanding what makes good television, and it was so

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Speaker 2: compelling and almost impossible to look away. Now eight hundred

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Speaker 2: because I'm sure many of you had them as well.

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Speaker 2: In terms of did it actually change anything, I think

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Speaker 2: it's such an interesting question because Buck, you and I

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Speaker 2: know can we get attacked all the time in media too.

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Speaker 2: And when I first started off in media, it was

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Speaker 2: really upsetting sometimes to get attacked. And then I realized

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Speaker 2: what Trump has said, Sometimes all publicity is good publicity

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Speaker 2: pretty much unless you're facing criminal charges. In Trump, Trump

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Speaker 2: may be arguing that even criminal charges is good publicity.

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Speaker 2: I mean Martha Stewart certainly went to prison, came back

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Speaker 2: watched that CNN show last night and they went in

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Speaker 1: They're here to shed light on the truth every day.

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 4: Second Hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Everybody.

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Speaker 4: We're joined by our friend Jesse Kelly. He is nationally

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Speaker 4: syndicated by Premiere Networks on The Jesse Kelly Show comes

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Speaker 3: For being here man.

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Speaker 4: As you know, I get people. Every time I say

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Speaker 5: Well, you're welcome for being here, Buck and Clay. I

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Speaker 5: know it's not every day you get a world famous

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Speaker 5: Awful at anything, artistic? Anything? Now, to be fair, I'm

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Speaker 5: I think CNN did Caitlyn Collins wrong. I'm a big

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Speaker 5: It was enjoyable. It's always enjoyable to watch Trump beat

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Speaker 4: You know, I've seen a few people and talk to

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Speaker 4: If that machinery of getting the votes where we need them,

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Speaker 5: I make of it that it's the absolute truth. People

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Speaker 5: And they'll look at that vegetable who just got elected

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Speaker 5: right ones the triple reverse half back pass for the dutchdown.

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Speaker 5: Look how fast the receiver is. And Democrats understand it's

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Speaker 5: about the fat left tackle, and it's about tackling. It's

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Speaker 5: about blocking and tackling. They've mastered blocking and tackling. We're

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Speaker 5: fifty years behind. Either we catch up fifty years in

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Speaker 5: the next year, or we're done speaking.

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Speaker 3: Of blocking and tackling.

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Speaker 2: Michigan's a lot better now at blocking and tackling than

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Speaker 2: Ohio State, which is the last time I saw you was.

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Speaker 3: In Columbus, Ohio.

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Speaker 2: But Buck obviously is not all in on the sports universe.

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Speaker 2: But you see this on your show too, and we

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Speaker 2: were just talking about it in the first hour. Every

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Speaker 2: time you say something positive about Trump, the DeSantis people

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Speaker 2: are upset. Every time you say something positive about DeSantis,

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Speaker 2: the Trump people are upset. And I've analogized it in

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Speaker 2: many ways to sports, where when you talk about a

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Speaker 2: big rivalry Michigan Ohio State, for instance, every team is

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Speaker 2: so tribal and committed to their side that anything other

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Speaker 2: than your team is the greatest that's ever existed in

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Speaker 2: the history of mankind is wrong. And I'll point out

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Speaker 2: and throw myself under the bus here that I said,

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Speaker 2: put every dollar you have on Ohio State on the

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Speaker 2: big noon kickoff show right right before I saw you

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Speaker 2: and your family there. But how much do you see

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Speaker 2: this already? Even though DeSantis hasn't officially announced this looming

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Speaker 2: battle between the Trump and DeSantis team, because whether it's

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Speaker 2: Vivi Ramaswami, Nikki Haley, whoever else is going to enter

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Speaker 2: into the race, I think it's acknowledged by the Trump

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Speaker 2: people and the DeSantis people that those guys or girls

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Speaker 2: have virtually no chance of actually winning.

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Speaker 4: They want to be VP obviously.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't worry about the two also rans that

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Speaker 5: Vivie and Nicki, Hey, they don't give a crap about

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Speaker 5: either those None of those people are gonna do anything.

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Speaker 5: It's a Trump DeSantis race. As far as people getting

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Speaker 5: upset when you say something nice about Trump or DeSantis.

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Speaker 5: Don't give a crap if people get upset. People need

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Speaker 5: to stop waving pom poms for human beings, for men.

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Speaker 5: I don't wave Trump's pom poms. I don't wave Desantus's

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Speaker 5: pom poms because they're all just rental cars to me.

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Speaker 5: They're all just need to be used until they get

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Speaker 5: me where I'm going and then I'm dropping them off

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Speaker 5: back at the rental card place. Yeah, they're gonna beat

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Speaker 5: the crap out of each other in a primary, and

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Speaker 5: they should why because we need better candidates. Trump needs

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Speaker 5: to be better than he is. DeSantis needs to be

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Speaker 5: better than he is, and the only way to go

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Speaker 5: take it back to sports. The only way you get

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Speaker 5: better is frigging tryouts. Get out there and hammer each

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Speaker 5: other into the ground because you're gonna take on a

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Speaker 5: Democrat machine that's gonna carve you up like a Thanksgiving

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Speaker 5: turkey unless you're ready for it the way they've done before.

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Speaker 5: So if people get upset about it, I understand politics

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Speaker 5: gets emotional, Well that's too bad. So sad politics is

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Speaker 5: a contact sport. Go beat each other up and stop

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Speaker 5: falling in love with politicians. None of these people give

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Speaker 5: a crap about you, So use them all like a

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Speaker 5: rental car and then drop them off when you're done

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Speaker 5: and forget about them.

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Speaker 4: Next month, your book's coming out, Jesse, the Anti Communist Manifesto.

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Speaker 4: You'll be joining us here on the show to talk

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Speaker 4: more in detail about it. But you know one thing

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Speaker 4: that I think is interesting is it used to be

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Speaker 4: whenever we would use the term socialists, it's it's not

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Speaker 4: really a socialist because the means of production right, And

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Speaker 4: you get even more of that with calling the left.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure communists they say, oh, we're not true pure Marxists.

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Speaker 4: Why do we need to think of the other side

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Speaker 4: as I call them comedies. You're talking about the anti

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Speaker 4: Communist Manifesto, your book, Why do we need to put.

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Speaker 5: It in that framework now, because it's exactly what they are.

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Speaker 5: Communism changed and communism knew it changed. And by the way,

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Speaker 5: the communists wrote all this down. They came to America,

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Speaker 5: they tried to get traditional communism here. Our workers were

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Speaker 5: too happy for it. But communism is not about the

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Speaker 5: workers of the bourgeois. It's just the religion of the malcontent.

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Speaker 5: All they need is mould contents, so they had to

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Speaker 5: go searching for more malcontents. They shifted to cultural Marxism now,

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Speaker 5: so they're not talking about seizing the means of production.

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Speaker 5: Everything is some quote civil rights thing or the LGBTQ

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Speaker 5: demon mob crab or the feminist hags with their super

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Speaker 5: u outbacks. It's always something like that. These are just

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Speaker 5: different branches of American communism now. It's all just about

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Speaker 5: destruction and burning America down. That's what they are. And

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Speaker 5: I laugh when people are on the right when these

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Speaker 5: low TGP nerds tell me that they're not actually communists,

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Speaker 5: when half these people call themselves communists. You have BLM

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Speaker 5: on video calling themselves Marxists, and yet the right can't

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Speaker 5: wait to bow before them. Oh Jesse, they're just left leaning.

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Speaker 5: They're not left leaning. They're dirty communists trying to burn

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Speaker 5: America down. Fight like those are the stakes of the game,

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Speaker 5: because I promise you those are the stakes of the game.

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Speaker 2: So you've got a good theory, and I've seen you

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Speaker 2: share it. People can find you on Twitter for sure,

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Speaker 2: and obviously listen to you on many of these same stations.

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Speaker 2: Your idea and focus is hyper local. People who haven't

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Speaker 2: heard what you believe the battleground needs to be. What

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Speaker 2: do you mean when you say the focus needs to

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Speaker 2: be hyper local?

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Speaker 5: Well, we've lost the federal government. The federal government has lost.

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Speaker 5: Even if your savior Trump or your savior De Santus

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Speaker 5: gets elected in twenty twenty four, I need to remind

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Speaker 5: people Trump was president for four years and his entire

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Speaker 5: agenda was kneecapped from within his quote own government. Because

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Speaker 5: the entire federal government is freaking lost, that doesn't mean

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Speaker 5: I was lost. Though. Democrats took this country locally. They

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Speaker 5: started with city council elections. They started with school boards,

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Speaker 5: educating your kids, teaching them to hate you and hate

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Speaker 5: white people and hate themselves and hate everything. That is

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Speaker 5: how we will take it back. The soft underbelly of

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Speaker 5: communism in this country is the school boards, and people

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Speaker 5: are waking up. Go take your freaking city back, Take

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Speaker 5: your city council, take your sheriff, take your DA, take

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Speaker 5: your school board, and we will eventually spread from local

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Speaker 5: and lord willing. Take back Washington, d C. There's no

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Speaker 5: savior coming at any time from Washington, DC, not in

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Speaker 5: twenty four, not in twenty eight. Your city can be saved.

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Speaker 5: But that's not sexy, right. We want to talk about

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Speaker 5: senator and president and the bright lights and CNN. Go

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Speaker 5: run for school board and forget these people.

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Speaker 2: I will say this, and I bet this was true

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Speaker 2: for you, Jesse, because I know you got a couple

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Speaker 2: of suns as well. I never paid attention to who

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Speaker 2: was on my local school board. I mean, I've voted

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Speaker 2: my whole life. I've never ever gotten invested in who

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Speaker 2: I was voting for school board until COVID and they

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Speaker 2: made kids wear masks, and I said never again. And

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Speaker 2: they have gotten super organized in my home state of Tennessee,

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Speaker 2: and the school boards have gotten taken back.

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Speaker 4: It's also a farm team in a sense. Yeah, for

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Speaker 4: higher office, which is critical you run for school board.

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Speaker 4: I have a friend who ran for school board in

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Speaker 4: North Carolina, and then she's like, well, maybe I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: go and run beyond that. I just interviewed somebody who's

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Speaker 4: school board in Sarasota, Bridget Ziegler, on the podcast. By

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Speaker 4: the way, you guys should all check out the Clay

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Speaker 4: and Buck podcast. We just talked to her and she

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Speaker 4: ran for school board. These are people who once they've

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Speaker 4: gone through that process. Jesse the left is understood this right.

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Speaker 4: Obama started out as a community organizer, and we're all saying, oh,

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Speaker 4: community organizer. Yeah, but that was a stepping stone to

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Speaker 4: getting in with the other Marxist organizations and machinery to

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Speaker 4: elevate him all the way to the presidency. For the Democrats, right,

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Speaker 4: we can create a similar mechanism, but based in limited government, constitutionalism,

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Speaker 4: and sanity by having people run for school board. And

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Speaker 4: I think it does work. I think it is effective.

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Speaker 5: Of course it works. And you nailed it when you

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Speaker 5: use the farm team analogy. That's how they took the country.

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Speaker 5: They didn't take it from Washington, d C. They took

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Speaker 5: the education system and from there they've been churning out

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Speaker 5: little communists for the longest time, filling up our bureaucracy.

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Speaker 5: Now they fill up the corporate boardrooms. Of course, they

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Speaker 5: filled up the university system. Now they have a full

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Speaker 5: blown training center for communists around the country. And we're

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Speaker 5: worried about who's the president. I'll tell you what. I'll

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Speaker 5: give them the presidency and every seat in the House

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Speaker 5: and Senate, give me every school board, and I'll own

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Speaker 5: America in fifty years and they won't.

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Speaker 3: Jesse Kelly.

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Speaker 2: The book is the anti Communist Manifesto, and I just

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Speaker 2: hope one day Ohio State can beat Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Oh I'm hoping for you.

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Speaker 5: I hate you Buck, I like you Clay were enemies.

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Speaker 4: Now I'll take it.

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Speaker 2: by the Attorney General in the Great State of Texas, Paxton.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on with us right now, mister

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Speaker 2: Attorney General. How bad is it gonna get?

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Speaker 4: Do you think?

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Speaker 3: What do you expect it to look like? How much

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Speaker 2: And what can Texas do to fight back against the

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Speaker 2: Mauthe sense of the Biden administration, Well.

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Speaker 6: One is it's more than mal seasons. I mean, it's

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Speaker 6: not like they're just bad at this or like there's

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Speaker 6: ma alfzus. This is literally a plan and it's going

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Speaker 6: to get worse, and they know it, and they're trying

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Speaker 6: to say they're going to do all this stuff to

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Speaker 6: correct it, and they're going to have other measures under

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Speaker 6: other provisions of law, but it's not true. None of

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Speaker 6: their actions so far demonstrate that they care about federal law.

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Speaker 6: Enforcing federal law, doing their constitutional law is executing the law,

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Speaker 6: not making it. They've never demonstrated, no matter what they've said,

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Speaker 6: not one time have they demonstrated they actually cared about

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Speaker 4: Attorney General Paxson, appreciate you being with us. What can

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Speaker 4: you do, if anything, as Attorney General of Texas to

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Speaker 4: try to deal with this. I know, I know it's

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Speaker 4: a federal problem, right, but it's all over your border

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Speaker 4: that this is going to be happening. What are the

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Speaker 4: legal remedies that you and the governor may be pursuing

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Speaker 4: here to just try to create some order out of

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Speaker 4: all the anarchy.

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Speaker 6: So we've got several I mean, we've been in litigation

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Speaker 6: with them from day one we stopped deportation order where

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Speaker 6: they said they weren't going to deport anymore. And we've

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Speaker 6: been in litigation ever since the Key provision, and we

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Speaker 6: have several lawsuits going right now. One one was on

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Speaker 6: Title forty two, which obviously that's going to become mooted.

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Speaker 6: And if you look at the things that President Trump

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Speaker 6: did to reduce the illegal immigration, it was the stop

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Speaker 6: catching release Biden started that up build the wall. Biden

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Speaker 6: stopped building the wall. That's the long term solution. We've

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Speaker 6: sued them over that Title forty two, which we had

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Speaker 6: a lawsuit over that. Obviously that's going away. And the

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Speaker 6: final one is remain in Mexico, which is the real

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Speaker 6: loophole that they're using, which says the law says that

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Speaker 6: when you bring somebody in they come in for as

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Speaker 6: on them, they say the magic word, they either have

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Speaker 6: to be detained or they have to be sent back

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Speaker 6: until they're hearing. Well, that's what Trump did. He followed

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Speaker 6: that law. The Biden administrations failed to do that. We

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Speaker 6: are in litigation of that. I'm giving lawyers. Mostly what

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Speaker 6: I can do is with the corks trying to do.

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Speaker 6: Governor Abbott can deploy assets. He's done that, but we

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Speaker 6: have limited resources. We've spent billions, but we still have

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Speaker 6: limited resources. And how do we stop those Hell no,

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Speaker 6: they don't have to run anymore. I don't have to

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Speaker 6: hide people. They just drop them off to the poor patrol.

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Speaker 6: It's really hard in the middle of transaction, and the

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Speaker 6: Biden administration, you know, send them all over the country.

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Speaker 6: So it's really difficult when your own federal government is

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Speaker 6: opposing federal law themselves and harming their own citizens.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton. Appreciate him

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Speaker 2: joining us. Obviously, the border is a big story. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you're also following a lot of the revelations that

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Speaker 2: are coming out about Joe Biden, his family, the millions

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Speaker 2: of dollars they're accepting foreign adversary payments. And also I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you've seen, mister Attorney in General, how things are

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Speaker 2: being applied against Trump in the state of Georgia, the

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Speaker 2: state of New York. By I think it's fair to

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Speaker 2: say left wing prosecutors. Is there anything you can do

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Speaker 2: as the head of Texas Warriors and official them there

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Speaker 2: to look into Joe Biden and his family's behavior as

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Speaker 2: a state of Texas potential issue. Have you examined any

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Speaker 2: of that, because it feels like, and I'm sure you

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Speaker 2: feel this way, there's an awful lot of people taking

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Speaker 2: swings at Trump from blue states and blue jurisdictions, and

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Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like there's very much of a CounterPunch.

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Speaker 6: No, I totally agree. It's incredibly frustrating because what they're

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Speaker 6: doing is Trump is I mean, they basically said show

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Speaker 6: me the man, I'll show your current. This is like

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Speaker 6: Stalin's guy use that's exactly right. So literally they just

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Speaker 6: they run on the proposition we will find something, which

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Speaker 6: is obviously it's very much like China or Russia. It's

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Speaker 6: very much more solitarian than it is freedom. But in Texas,

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Speaker 6: here is a bill that would give me the authority

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Speaker 6: to do some of the things you're talking about, which

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Speaker 6: involve public corruption. Right now, the legislature has not given

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Speaker 6: me the authority to do it. I'm asking for it.

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Speaker 6: This bill could literally come up today in the Senate

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Speaker 6: whether the House will pass. It is a whole other issue,

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Speaker 6: but right now we were trying to get it through

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Speaker 6: the Senate. If that bill has not passed, everything that

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Speaker 6: you talk about, it would be up to local das,

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Speaker 6: so a lot of Soros funded das to do something

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Speaker 6: about this, and I'm not very optimistic about disuct attorneys

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Speaker 6: in Texas doing that, which is why I want the

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Speaker 6: authority to do things like this.

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Speaker 2: What could we do, because I think that's an important bill.

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Speaker 2: What could people listening to us right now? We're number

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Speaker 2: one in Houston, We're huge in San Antonio, number one

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Speaker 2: in Austin. That would allow you to actually hold Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden accountable?

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Speaker 3: What do you need to hear? What if people need

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Speaker 3: to do in the state of Texas to make this possible.

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Speaker 6: Only hope we have is a Senate Bill eleven ninety

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Speaker 6: five by Senator Brian Hughes. It's a great bill. He

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Speaker 6: would give us access to public corruption so and also

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Speaker 6: human trafficking, abortion, and election fraud. Because the Court of

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Speaker 6: Criminal Pills in Texas tried to take away election fraud

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Speaker 6: from me, which means we can't prosecute election fraud, and

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Speaker 6: obviously that's very there's a very good reason. They didn't

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Speaker 6: want me to prosecute election fraud. So that bill literally

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Speaker 6: should come up today if you can get if you

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Speaker 6: can get the Republicans to support it, the Republican senators,

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Speaker 6: all of them, the bill will pass the Senate and

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Speaker 6: then it'll be up to the House, and then we'll

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Speaker 6: need help in the House because that's a more usually

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Speaker 6: more difficult place to pass things like this. So if

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Speaker 6: they can let their senators know right now, I want

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Speaker 6: Senator Hughes bill to pass that allows the attorney general

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Speaker 6: to prosecute voter fraud, human trafficking, abortion, and public corruption.

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Speaker 6: And by the way, the district attorneys are fighting this

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Speaker 6: tooth and nail because they don't want anybody else prosecuting

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Speaker 6: anything in the state.

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Speaker 4: Attorney General Paxson, how can they let what's the best way?

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Speaker 4: Call in email? In you said let them know to pass.

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Speaker 6: This, I would say, look up your senator's phone number

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Speaker 6: and call them because we need it today. It needs

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Speaker 6: to be fast. But call and email to you both

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Speaker 6: and you can get that off the website. You can

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Speaker 6: go on to Texas Senate. This is first and there's

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Speaker 6: there's a website that gives you a phone number and in.

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Speaker 4: An email Tony General Paxson, appreciate you being with us

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Speaker 4: or thanks so much for making the time.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Have a great day, man Clay. It is going to

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Speaker 4: get worse and worse. It's amazing that we're at this stage.

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Speaker 4: But I think the first point that he made is

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Speaker 4: This is the end result of years of poor decision making,

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Speaker 4: although from the Democrat perspective it's just a power play

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk with the Attorney General of Texas to close

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Speaker 2: out the well two thirty to close out the final

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Speaker 2: hour of Thursday, and Buck, I was gonna tell you,

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Speaker 2: I want to give It's rare that I do this,

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Speaker 2: but I'm out tomorrow because my wife, Laura is going

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Speaker 2: to graduate from law school twenty two years after we

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Speaker 2: started law school. I met her at Vanderbilt Law School

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Speaker 2: recruiting co ed softball players. We had a really good

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Speaker 2: looking team, as you might imagine. That's legitimately how we met.

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Speaker 2: She finished her first year of law school, the kids

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Speaker 2: decided she wanted to go back and finish law school.

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Speaker 2: So twenty two years after we entered law school in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and one, she will officially graduate as a

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Speaker 2: mother of three tomorrow at Vanderbilt University Law School. And

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Speaker 2: so I am out tomorrow to go to a graduation

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Speaker 2: a generation after my own graduation. And I just want

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Speaker 2: to give props to my wife for going back and

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Speaker 2: finishing finishing law school after having three kids.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, congratulations to Laura Travis. And I can tell any

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Speaker 4: other lawyer out there you would not want to be

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Speaker 4: across from her in a courtroom. I'm just gonna say it.

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Speaker 2: She's way tougher than met lady, way tougher than me.

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Speaker 2: I would much rather be across the table from me

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Speaker 2: than from her. But that is pretty cool. I know

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Speaker 2: a lot of people out there, you know, you have

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Speaker 2: kids and once you get them into school and feel

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Speaker 2: like some normalcy of life can return, notwithstanding what happened

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Speaker 2: with COVID when I know so many moms and dads

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Speaker 2: out there totally had their world up ended. But but

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Speaker 2: this is pretty cool. So that's where I'll be tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: You'll have the ship to close out, don't don't you

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Speaker 2: know run no wild part. I know you got Jack

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Speaker 2: Kara on which the last time we saw him was

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Speaker 2: out in Park City, which is where he lives, and.

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Speaker 7: You know, he was kind of a big deal, kind

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Speaker 7: of a big deal, kind of strutting down Main Street

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Speaker 7: as his hit show on Amazon, The Terminal List, had

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Speaker 7: already gotten in its numbers and was crushing it.

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Speaker 4: And I believe they've already renewed. That's another series another

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Speaker 4: season of the Terminal List with Chris Pratt. I got

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Speaker 4: to say, for a lot of guys out there, if

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Speaker 4: military action novel, having Chris Pratt as as the lead

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Speaker 4: in your Amazon series is certainly a dream come true.

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Speaker 4: I think that would be if like, if I had

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Speaker 4: to pick, I'd be like, I think I'd probably want

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Speaker 4: Chris Pratt. Wellthough, John Krasinski, I gotta say he's probably

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Speaker 4: a lib. They're all well, Chris Pratt's not a huge lib.

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Speaker 4: Chris Pratt talks about God and Jesus and Christianity in Faith.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if what Krazinski's like. He was good

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Speaker 4: in Thirteen Hours though, which was also a very good watch.

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Speaker 4: But we will have Jack Carr on tomorrow. We'll talk

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Speaker 4: to him about a little bit about Hollywood, and it's

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Speaker 4: funny Hollywood is it's sort of like Wall Street. Hollywood's

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Speaker 4: not even really the thing that it was anymore. We

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Speaker 4: still think of it as the entertainment industry. But Amazon, Netflix,

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Speaker 4: Disney plus those are now where the shows, the really

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Speaker 4: big budget show is being made. But as we're seeing

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Speaker 4: the streaming business is not a good business, not an

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Speaker 4: easy business for even the biggest multinational conglomerates to be in.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it. I'm just gonna say, I don't

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Speaker 4: think it helped Disney. Plus the whole Mandalorian thing. Remember

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Speaker 4: where they got that's, you know. And also what's is

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Speaker 4: the guy the lead guy in that is very woke,

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Speaker 4: which is annoying always. I can't remember his name, Hydro Pascal.

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Speaker 2: They have Buck And this is a big media ecosystem story.

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Speaker 2: The cable in satellite bundle was the greatest media business

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Speaker 2: that had ever been created in the history of media.

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Speaker 2: If you were on the cable and satellite bundle, your

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Speaker 2: channel made money handover fist in every year you got

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Speaker 2: a raise and a lot of you out there listening

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Speaker 2: to what I'm talking about. Around two thy twelve, we

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Speaker 2: peaked at over one hundred million cable in satellite households.

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Speaker 2: Now it's down to seventy five. It's declining rapidly from there,

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Speaker 2: and only Netflix has made any money from streaming so far.

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Speaker 2: Disney has lost eleven billion dollars. And if you're a

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Speaker 2: Disney shareholder, I'm sorry. Stock is down nine dollars today.

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Speaker 2: It basically hasn't moved in a decade. That is, if

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Speaker 2: you bought Disney stock a decade ago, it's kind of

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Speaker 2: set there. And this streaming business is replacing the cable

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Speaker 2: in satellite business, and so far almost no one in

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Speaker 2: the traditional media business is making any money. They're losing money.

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Speaker 2: Handover fist.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of Disney, do you remember Soviet Mary Poppins, Yes,

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Speaker 4: Nina Jankowitz, the buy administrations would be DHS Disinformation Governance

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Speaker 4: Board member or the disinformations are I call her Soviet

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Speaker 4: Mary Poppins because she liked to sing. We saw the

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Speaker 4: videos and the whole notion of disinformation as practiced by

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Speaker 4: the Biden regime. Social media in collusion with the Democrat

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Speaker 4: Party is just about censorship, deplatforming, and silencing conservative or

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Speaker 4: regime challenging voices. But Clay Soviet Mary Poppins, I say

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Speaker 4: it again, is suing is suing Fox News? Yeah, so

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Speaker 4: she's now decided to lawyer up and they're saying. Over

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Speaker 4: the course of eight months, Fox talked about Jankowitz more

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Speaker 4: than three hundred times across its broadcast and online publications.

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Speaker 4: Fox employee hosts and commentators derided and lied about Jagowitz

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Speaker 4: on repeat and continue to do so even today. I

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Speaker 4: don't know, man, do you call her Soviet Mary Poppins

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Speaker 4: on Fox? I might have, I don't remember now, but

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Speaker 4: I don't work for Fox.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, well, you're in more danger though, because at

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Speaker 2: least I'm indemnified in theory, you might get sued individually

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Speaker 2: for calling her Soviet Mary Poppins. In all honesty, that's

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Speaker 2: I'm putting my lawyer hat on.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's certainly fair game, right.

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Speaker 2: Ridicule, satire of political opposition or political figures in general,

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Speaker 2: is actually the foundation of our First Amendment.

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Speaker 3: I don't think she's going to have any success there.

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Speaker 2: But what this is representative of is when Fox News,

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Speaker 2: the larger Fox corporate entity, settled with Dominion, there are

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Speaker 2: going to be a lot of lawyers out there beating

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Speaker 2: the bushes trying to find people that they think would

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Speaker 2: have a claim that could make it past a summary

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Speaker 2: judgment motion to try and get some form of settlement

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Speaker 2: out of Fox. Now, I suspect that Fox will hold

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Speaker 2: a pretty strong line against individuals because just take it

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Speaker 2: outside of Soviet Mary Poppins. Here, if you can't talk

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Speaker 2: about political figures in news coverage.

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Speaker 4: The First Amendment is done, it's over.

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Speaker 2: And if you can't ridicule them and their ideas and

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Speaker 2: their perspectives by the way, on both sides, then how

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Speaker 2: do you have a robust marketplace of ideas in any way?

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Speaker 4: Well, this is why you have to have a fair

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Speaker 4: use doctrine. For example, this is why we can play

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Speaker 4: clips of other shows within reason on this show and

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Speaker 4: make fun of them, like we can play clips of

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Speaker 4: the view to say, listen to the stupid thing they said,

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Speaker 4: because otherwise, how could you have a real conversation and

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Speaker 4: bring evidence forward about what's being said in politics today.

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Speaker 4: But there are people that are trying to abuse the

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Speaker 4: law right now in a number of fronts. One of them,

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Speaker 4: obviously the big one is going after Donald Trump. But

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Speaker 4: even on this, I think you're going to see a

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Speaker 4: lot more of this. You're going to see lawsuits at

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Speaker 4: some level. What we've seen now is the criminalization of

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Speaker 4: the wrong politics and individual form with Donald Trump bringing

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Speaker 4: all these different I believe there are multiple criminal indictments

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Speaker 4: coming against Trump. I've said it here. I think you

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Speaker 4: and I agree on this. That's right, there's multiple indictments coming.

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Speaker 4: But also the ability now for people to sue news

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Speaker 4: organizations and individuals for matters of political difference based upon

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Speaker 4: whether it is disinformation. Yeah, which is a very dangerous.

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Speaker 4: This is why I did not I thought the whole

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Speaker 4: thing with Fox. Yeah, it was bad from the get go,

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Speaker 4: the lawsuits and what are represented. But now going forward,

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Speaker 4: there will be law there to silence in this country.

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Speaker 4: And this is going to be a real challenge for

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Speaker 4: those who want to try to talk about issues that

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Speaker 4: really are difficult. For the regime that issues that they

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Speaker 4: don't want to defend, they're just going to try to

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Speaker 4: sue you into submission.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's the whole concept of words as violence.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Joy Behar is, in my opinion, the dumbest

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Speaker 2: person on daily television in America. That's my opinion.

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Speaker 3: Joy Behart could try to sue much.

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Speaker 4: She's got a soak clay into poverty.

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Speaker 2: She could try to sue me, But that's part of

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Speaker 2: the universe of acceptable discourse. By the way, she could

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Speaker 2: go on the view and say, I'm the dumbest person

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Speaker 2: that she's ever heard on radio in history, and that's

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Speaker 2: her right.

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Speaker 4: What if she sued you and she just wanted a

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Speaker 4: really hardfelt apology play.

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Speaker 3: She would not get it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think, so I'll have I'll challenge her to

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Speaker 2: a spelling bee. If she could beat me in a

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Speaker 2: spelling bee, then I would apologize to joy Behart for

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Speaker 2: calling her the dumbest person in America because on daily media,

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Speaker 2: because I think if she could do that, that would

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Speaker 2: be some evidence that she's not. But I think I

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Speaker 2: would smoke her in a spelling bee.

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Speaker 4: I would put money on her