Speaker 1: Name a funnier athlete. I'll wait.
Speaker 2: Charles Barkley.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I don't disagree that
Speaker 1: Charles is very, very funny, but I don't know that
Speaker 1: if we went bit for bid OJ to Charles, Charles
Speaker 1: is putting up more numbers, for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was in the game longer.
Speaker 1: Charles got got a longer run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he played more games.
Speaker 1: He just showed you know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 1: Kawhi versus fucking Paul George at this point where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Paul George, he plays more often, for sure.
Speaker 2: Excuse me. His name is Playoff Pete, playoff.
Speaker 1: P Excuse me, he plays more often, for sure. But
Speaker 1: I don't know. At the end of the day, we're
Speaker 1: gonna say that's a better player than Kawhi.
Speaker 2: Leonard Manna.
Speaker 3: Chips in your eas a, Kuala Bears are racist, the
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Speaker 2: I can love you in the shower, both of our
Speaker 2: bodies dripping wet on the patio. We can make a
Speaker 2: night you won't forget on the kitchen floor as I
Speaker 2: softly pull your hair. We can do it. Anywhere. Ladies
Speaker 2: and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama
Speaker 2: Told Me.
Speaker 1: The podcast where we dive deep deep into the pockets
Speaker 1: of black conspiracy theories and.
Speaker 2: We finally worked to prove that the cool in Cool
Speaker 2: Mode D was in fact short for cool Whip.
Speaker 1: The man was the heir to a dairy fortune. My
Speaker 1: name is David Boy. Oh that is that is huge.
Speaker 1: If true, that is that is fantastic. And I am
Speaker 1: Langston Kerman. And to find out that Kool O D
Speaker 1: has been a nepo baby this entire time is uh,
Speaker 1: that's a lot.
Speaker 2: You're in the business, are you surprised that's how it works.
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. I'll say that, uh that more often
Speaker 1: than not. It is stunning how many people come from
Speaker 1: sort of like a history a relationship with this industry truly,
Speaker 1: so d being no exception is it's just the way
Speaker 1: it goes. I guess look at me.
Speaker 2: I'm the illegitimate son of cool Rock Ski from the
Speaker 2: Fat Boys. Do you think I just got here? You
Speaker 2: think I just got here?
Speaker 1: You know that one fat boy who didn't show up
Speaker 1: good in black and white pictures?
Speaker 2: Don't do my dad like that.
Speaker 1: It didn't feel like the fat boys never got successful
Speaker 1: enough to get like even lighting.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Where it was just like but they were like one
Speaker 1: dude who sort of threw them off every time, and
Speaker 1: it was either the light skin one or the really
Speaker 1: dark skinned one.
Speaker 2: Well, I think both of those guys were trailblazers, and
Speaker 2: that they were so dark and so like they were
Speaker 2: new to media.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I think that's true.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. There wasn't a lot of
Speaker 2: guys's dark as kol who we do look alike, Olivia.
Speaker 2: If you could have production do a side by side,
Speaker 2: you'll see it.
Speaker 1: Is that the face you want to make in the side.
Speaker 2: I don't know. As soon as as soon as I
Speaker 2: did it, I regretted it, all right, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what listen, it felt honest.
Speaker 1: It just didn't feel it didn't feel like the big
Speaker 1: swing that you probably needed.
Speaker 2: But I yeah, it felt true to me though. I mean,
Speaker 2: we look, I've got DMS. I could probably pull up
Speaker 2: some people have let me know my entire life. Anyways,
Speaker 2: that's not what we're here to talk about. We're not
Speaker 2: here to talk about the paw Boys, who I think
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, though, if you talk about to
Speaker 2: people from the time, I think they were huge.
Speaker 1: I do think that they got into big imprint. I
Speaker 1: almost think, and I'm cautious to say this, but I
Speaker 1: think that they're gonna be like sort of like how
Speaker 1: Ray Shrimman was, do you know what I mean, where
Speaker 1: it's like big imprint, Like like at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, we're gonna like remember a bunch of songs
Speaker 1: that they had, but nobody's gonna like rush to say
Speaker 1: their names after you know, twenty twenty five kind of thing.
Speaker 2: That's true. But they do get me through a couple
Speaker 2: of summers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that that fucking uh what was the ship
Speaker 1: where we all were freezing everywhere we went?
Speaker 2: They did that?
Speaker 1: That that challenge Remember they they had that song where
Speaker 1: we all like would would freeze and then and then
Speaker 1: we dance afterwards.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that.
Speaker 1: I remember.
Speaker 2: If I think of Ray Shremmer, I think of Black Beatles.
Speaker 2: That's the song that's all I was good and no Type,
Speaker 2: No Type was so good. Yeah you remember that song,
Speaker 2: of course? Yeah. No, they had some they had some hits.
Speaker 2: They were like songs that I could rap when I'm drunk.
Speaker 1: And and What's his name is responsible for the Spider
Speaker 1: Man song, which I would say is one of the
Speaker 1: greatest songs I ever made. Him and alone, Yes, Way
Speaker 1: Lee and post Malone made that Spider Man song.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what song you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Oh, you know the Spider Man song.
Speaker 2: Don't do me like that. I'm sorry, man, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't in the Black Spider Man in the new one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course they ain't making uh no, baby, I'm yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one man, that is good. That song.
Speaker 1: Don't make you feel good when that?
Speaker 2: Come on? Come on, I'm gonna play that after this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was thinking about me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's me, baby, I'm erect. We're not here. I
Speaker 2: wish we were here to talk about some flower.
Speaker 1: Honestly, it would feel it would be easier to approach
Speaker 1: today's episode if we were just talking about sunflowers than
Speaker 1: Sway Lee. But unfortunately we lost the much day, we
Speaker 1: lost the major I would say, contributor to the podcast.
Speaker 2: This past week, I would say, maybe even to the culture,
Speaker 2: we could we could zoom out of just the Langston
Speaker 2: and David of it all.
Speaker 1: That's true. I think, I think selfishly, I immediately go, well,
Speaker 1: this person played such a major role in our podcast.
Speaker 1: But but more than that, I mean we played a
Speaker 1: massive role in the world around us and literally the
Speaker 1: way we speak, the way we identify ourselves in the world.
Speaker 2: He was a game changer, truly shaped our art form
Speaker 2: at least, i'd say so comedy there what forward. I
Speaker 2: don't know an.
Speaker 1: Individual who has lived in more bits than this person. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: like maybe Michael Jackson maybe, but even Mike. I think
Speaker 1: after a while we were like, all right, bro, he's
Speaker 1: up on old Mike, right, like Billy Jane is Billy Jane.
Speaker 1: But with him, we were like, nah, you keep on shooting, baby.
Speaker 2: Because he ouurdly remained a villain to the end with
Speaker 2: his to the absolute end phrase.
Speaker 1: If you haven't pieces together yet, we're talking about our
Speaker 1: dear friend of the pod. Oj Simpson passed away at
Speaker 1: the age of seventy six. He was seventy six years old,
Speaker 1: and he was maybe the best bad boy that's ever
Speaker 1: that's ever lived.
Speaker 2: I would say, I mean, truly a San Francisco legend.
Speaker 1: San Francisco legend, a murder legend, uh legend, too good.
Speaker 1: He did all the silliest stuff you could do as
Speaker 1: a human being, and and we're we were sorry to
Speaker 1: see him go, but we figured by by Olivia's suggestion,
Speaker 1: I think it's worth a Twitter legend. Absolutely, Olivia, he was.
Speaker 1: He was a Twitter legend.
Speaker 2: Y'all.
Speaker 1: Take care remains one of my favorite sign offs that
Speaker 1: that a person can't say it doesn't it's great. He'd
Speaker 1: like say something weirdly homophobic and then be like, all right, y'all,
Speaker 1: take care. Yeah, I just miss him so much and
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what to do with these feelings.
Speaker 2: Did I It's crazy? I mean, regardless of how you
Speaker 2: feel about him, he was one of those ones that
Speaker 2: you never thought was gonna die. I agree, Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: some there's sometimes a celebrity and the culture kind of
Speaker 2: dies and you're like, okay, we saw that coming. But truly,
Speaker 2: I mean, I wasn't aware of his cancer, but like, truly, yeah,
Speaker 2: never thought the man was gonna die.
Speaker 1: I actually, weirdly was aware of his cancer. I think
Speaker 1: I had like read it somewhere or we were talking
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: I mean, you also are a research guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like to I like to know who has
Speaker 1: cancer when I when I mean, I mean in general
Speaker 1: thing that you enjoy. I'll be checking the cancer statueeks
Speaker 1: every week.
Speaker 2: You got a dead pull. Uh.
Speaker 1: But I will say that even to your point, when
Speaker 1: I found out he had cancer, no part of me ever,
Speaker 1: and I knew he had like I'm pretty sure he had,
Speaker 1: like prostate cancer. Is that that's the one that like
Speaker 1: fucks everybody up?
Speaker 2: I think so, I'm not sure. I'm not sure that specific.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's prostate cancer. I think that is like that's
Speaker 1: the if you get that, it's terminal. They're very rare
Speaker 1: survivors of prostate cancer. And even in hearing that, I
Speaker 1: was like, nah, OJ will be fine. I don't think
Speaker 1: OJ's gonna pass away from this ship because he just
Speaker 1: seems so infallible.
Speaker 2: He looked so strong. I mean he looked, he looked
Speaker 2: he was he was he was hot to that guy
Speaker 2: was handsome. Yeah, he had a broad build the whole time.
Speaker 2: He never and an ego about it.
Speaker 1: There's a video that started circulating pretty recently of him
Speaker 1: in a in a truck where he like rolled down.
Speaker 1: He pulls up somewhere and rolls down his window. He says,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people have been saying that
Speaker 1: I'm about to die soon, that I have some sort
Speaker 1: of terminal cancer, and that's that's just foolish, that's just nonsense.
Speaker 1: You know, the media, they don't run with anything. I'm fine,
Speaker 1: I'm doing great, y'all, take care and then pulls off
Speaker 1: and literally died a month later from a very terminal illness.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's.
Speaker 2: Crazy, truly, one of the biggest we all time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: say that's fair. Such a weird guy, odd humor. You
Speaker 2: don't see the clip where he went to the reporter
Speaker 2: and she opened the door and he was like, well,
Speaker 2: you know what, that's from him being a weirdo, well
Speaker 2: sort of.
Speaker 1: OJ at one point had a prank show, Oh Juice, Yeah, Juiced,
Speaker 1: And that is a clip from Juiced that again he produced.
Speaker 1: You you beat the most famous murder case of all time,
Speaker 1: and you are like, my, nigga, I gotta do bits
Speaker 1: about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is hilarious. Like in the way that you said,
Speaker 2: you think Terrence Howard is truly aware of the bit
Speaker 2: and all that blad up. I think that about oj Oh.
Speaker 1: I definitely think OJ was in on the joke.
Speaker 2: I mean so I think with OJ it's such a
Speaker 2: storied history. I would like to start because we're the
Speaker 2: same age. So as it was happening, you really weren't
Speaker 2: like how old were you? We were like nineteen years old? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: Ninety ninety six? No, I think it's like ninety two,
Speaker 1: ninety three the the White Bronco Chase OJ trial timeline.
Speaker 1: Let's look it up. So the ninety October third, nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five, the jury finds OJ Simpson not guilty. So okay,
Speaker 1: So four was the events of June twelfth, nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: four is when OJ supposedly murders everybody. Nineteen ninety four
Speaker 1: is the Bronco Yeah, so nineteen ninety four, and then
Speaker 1: ninety five is is when the case sort of like
Speaker 1: gets resolved. So ninety four, how would where were you
Speaker 1: of it? Were seven years old?
Speaker 2: Eight years old? Seven? This is happening.
Speaker 1: I was aware because my dad was very sort of
Speaker 1: emphatic about this that the racism of the trial outweighed
Speaker 1: his guilt.
Speaker 2: I agree that that was something that like five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but my dad, I think I've explained it before.
Speaker 1: My dad is like a Marxist and like a very
Speaker 1: sort of like anti He doesn't believe that the government
Speaker 1: has any right to to apply, you know, criminal decisions
Speaker 1: on anybody, Like it should just be sort of like
Speaker 1: put in the hands of the everyday people, Like you
Speaker 1: murder somebody, you should get mrked kind of. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't think he would describe it that way, but I
Speaker 1: do think I didn't think there's there's a bit of
Speaker 1: a Venn diagram that, uh that lives inside of all
Speaker 1: of this.
Speaker 2: But but that's sill I'll continue.
Speaker 1: I think his point was more that, like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: dude probably did it, Like it's it's not that that
Speaker 1: may or may not be true. But more importantly, this
Speaker 1: system is sort of built to take advantage of its
Speaker 1: assignments of guilt and not guilt, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I mean that is the looking at it as a
Speaker 2: grown up, right, That is the complication of the whole thing, Right,
Speaker 2: is that it almost feels like a loss for justice.
Speaker 2: But like the specifics of the trial are all so racial,
Speaker 2: right it was in la It was mostly a black jury.
Speaker 2: It was two three years after the right, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, It was like essentially became less about
Speaker 2: did OJ do it? And more about is Mark Ferman
Speaker 2: a racist? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And Mark Ferman became a major player in it in
Speaker 1: a way that, like I'm sure the prosecution and never intended.
Speaker 1: I think, you know it. It just became a racial
Speaker 1: conversation far more than I think if this got a
Speaker 1: clean objective sort of like pass oj goes to jail,
Speaker 1: no questions asked, right like, we all go, hey, you
Speaker 1: nearly decapitated your ex wife.
Speaker 2: That's what that is, period, and if the glove don't fit,
Speaker 2: you must have quit. That's true. Claim he was on
Speaker 2: some medicine that made his hands full.
Speaker 1: I've heard that. I've also heard people involved very clainly,
Speaker 1: plainly state it just wasn't his glove. Certainly, the biggest
Speaker 1: argument that I personally have started to believe, and we've
Speaker 1: talked about this before on the podcast when Sean Diston
Speaker 1: was on, is that it wasn't his glove. It was
Speaker 1: his son, Jason Glove. And Jason was in fact the
Speaker 1: person who murdered Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson all
Speaker 1: those years ago. And certainly, if you need a little
Speaker 1: bit of a reminder of all the evidence that sort
Speaker 1: of is stacked against Jason, he had a criminal history.
Speaker 1: He also had a history of mental illness, and specifically
Speaker 1: his criminal activity was related to using knives. He on
Speaker 1: multiple occasions threatened people with knives and attempted to attack
Speaker 1: people with knives. He also had an ongoing sort of
Speaker 1: feud with Nicole Brown Simpson and was constantly sort of
Speaker 1: in this like back and forth with her. She was
Speaker 1: also meant to show up at his restaurant that evening,
Speaker 1: a restaurant where he was a waiter, and instead she
Speaker 1: opted to go to a different restaurant, which many people
Speaker 1: have claimed she took personally, or rather he took personally,
Speaker 1: and sort of The most damning of all the pieces
Speaker 1: of evidence, in my opinion, is that when OJ Simpson
Speaker 1: is notified of his wife's quote unquote passing, he immediately
Speaker 1: before even calling an attorney for himself, calls an attorney
Speaker 1: to represent Jason, and so a lot of people believe
Speaker 1: that OJ Simpson was sort of working to cover up
Speaker 1: whatever his son had done and the sort of ault
Speaker 1: to or rather the argument for this is whether or
Speaker 1: not OJ Simpson has ever demonstrated that level of care
Speaker 1: for anyone, especially members of his family. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the that's the counter argument.
Speaker 2: That's the odd thing about Oj right, very odd familiar
Speaker 2: tize in relationships in general. Real weird shit with his
Speaker 2: dad right, who was possibly a homosexual. I wish i'd
Speaker 2: even say homosexual. I should just say gay. I don't
Speaker 2: know why I say it like that. It fell stop blacking.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck just happened. That was crazy.
Speaker 1: It felt like you wanted to fix it that clinical
Speaker 1: and it was really weird. It was so weird.
Speaker 2: What the fuck? I don't even know.
Speaker 1: Ah, hey man, you gots some hate deep in your heart.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. I just don't you know. What it is
Speaker 2: is that I'm scared of sounding stupid on this one
Speaker 2: because so much of this is so so much of
Speaker 2: the O. J. Simpson and how you feel about it
Speaker 2: as a black person is so visceral and so guttural
Speaker 2: and like it's like, because I was really walking around
Speaker 2: kind of thinking about how I felt about this the
Speaker 2: other day, and it's like, were I of age at
Speaker 2: the time. I know what he did is so terrible socially.
Speaker 2: I wish I could say that I would not have
Speaker 2: been excited about the verdict, but I think I would have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's what I was gonna ask you, is
Speaker 1: where did your family stand in all of this? You're seven,
Speaker 1: eight years old? Is your mom rooting for OJ? Is
Speaker 1: she calling him a murderer in the house.
Speaker 2: Like where Ivory. I don't think it was that big
Speaker 2: a deal left or right, because you got to think
Speaker 2: my mom is young, right, so in ninety five, if
Speaker 2: I'm seven, my mom's twenty six, And just like she
Speaker 2: also didn't have the reverence for OJ, having not grown
Speaker 2: up here, oh you know what I mean, and not
Speaker 2: caring about sports, specifically football at all. So it was
Speaker 2: just like there wasn't like a I just remember kind
Speaker 2: of an indifference. I don't remember much.
Speaker 1: I remember my.
Speaker 2: Auntie Teresa was way into it, but my mom's be friend.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't. I wasn't like made to feel
Speaker 2: any type of way left or right about it. So
Speaker 2: even when it happened, I remember not I didn't understand it.
Speaker 2: I didn't understand the magnitude of it. I didn't understand
Speaker 2: why black people were so excited. I didn't understand why
Speaker 2: white people. I just didn't. I really didn't know it.
Speaker 2: And we had a cable, so it wasn't you know, right,
Speaker 2: we're getting catchups on a current affair. It was.
Speaker 1: It wasn't on every channel ed no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was like and just even the world of sports,
Speaker 2: especially at the time. I don't think I even started
Speaker 2: really playing sports like that, so, like everything about it
Speaker 2: was so far away, so I really didn't have any
Speaker 2: feelings on it until I got older.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, it's interesting because I don't I never
Speaker 1: cared about football and never really understood who OJ was
Speaker 1: in the scale of his actual life performance as this
Speaker 1: like athlete, right that like understood everybody was like, no,
Speaker 1: he was a great player, But I wasn't sitting here
Speaker 1: revering OJ as like the legend that he ultimately was.
Speaker 1: It was just like, oh, okay, everybody seems to care.
Speaker 1: Everyone I knew in my life was invested in this story.
Speaker 1: And in that way, it's it's almost it was like
Speaker 1: the Alabama brol do you know what I mean, where
Speaker 1: it's just like, well, if everybody on Twitter's talking about
Speaker 1: this shit, then that's what we're talking about. And in
Speaker 1: that way, OJ was the first sort of viral meme,
Speaker 1: well before memes were even a word that we use.
Speaker 2: Right, right, I mean, I also think that you have
Speaker 2: to be older than us to realize the impact socially
Speaker 2: like he was, you know, like a corporate shill, so
Speaker 2: his face was every you know what. He was beloved
Speaker 2: for real, Yeah, and white people like like he was
Speaker 2: he was. That's I mean, I think that's what breeds
Speaker 2: the whole I'm not black, I'm oj was.
Speaker 1: He was so loved and such a fascinating journey in
Speaker 1: terms of like the the world of blackness, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, you go from being like
Speaker 1: sort of this beloved, almost like neutral figure that can
Speaker 1: be put in any you can be put in a
Speaker 1: hurt commercial when you're sort of painted as like this harmless,
Speaker 1: nice guy who also crunches his head into other people's heads,
Speaker 1: and then it transitions into you being I know you
Speaker 1: hate football, Yeah no, I don't respect it at all.
Speaker 2: How do you, guys do you.
Speaker 1: Slamming your helmets into each other? You guys, don't tell
Speaker 1: you until your wives are scared.
Speaker 2: It's sneaky light skin activities. Come on, man, stick to
Speaker 2: the fucking topic until you're.
Speaker 1: But no, it's he goes from being sort of like
Speaker 1: this objectively warm figure for everybody to then being sort
Speaker 1: of kind of an exclusively white hero at one point
Speaker 1: and then turned into like this black hero, but black
Speaker 1: people didn't really like him. They were just rooting for
Speaker 1: him in terms of like what it meant to like
Speaker 1: beat the system to fucking win win one over a
Speaker 1: system that's built for us to lose. And then he
Speaker 1: kind of becomes like a joke in a way that
Speaker 1: like white people hate him and black people don't want
Speaker 1: nothing to do with him. But like he's just living
Speaker 1: on golf courses and eating out like little white ladies.
Speaker 1: And then by the end he's doing fucking podcasts with Cameron.
Speaker 1: It's all very crazy.
Speaker 2: Object and you got to go back to the beginning, Oh,
Speaker 2: from Petrero Hill projects. Yeah, like was in a gang
Speaker 2: as a teen and all that type of stuff.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, imagine recruiting OJ for your gang.
Speaker 2: Bro. I don't think that I think that he was
Speaker 2: nothing nice as a kid, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think that like what we have is.
Speaker 2: Years later, we don't have just like a boy child
Speaker 2: coming into his size, you know what I mean. Oh,
Speaker 2: I think it was a I think it's like it's
Speaker 2: like because you even I was going back and watching
Speaker 2: old interviews of him, because I think he went to
Speaker 2: San Francisco City College before he went to the USC,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure, and he went to high school in
Speaker 2: San Francisco. And I was watching old footage of him,
Speaker 2: and his demeanor is not it's not silly or cordial
Speaker 2: or anything. He was like a pretty serious man, just
Speaker 2: like when you see And then I went and watched
Speaker 2: an interview of his old wife, what's her name, Marguerite,
Speaker 2: I believe, so describing OJ and what she thinks about him,
Speaker 2: and really all she said was like he's a very
Speaker 2: serious man. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I remember watching that documentary and it was pretty
Speaker 1: clear that like that relationship had zero laughs in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So I think the brevity that we saw
Speaker 2: is maybe almost like you wonder if it's like a
Speaker 2: symptom of him, that's how he was broken.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think it reminds me a little.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to compare the individuals and I
Speaker 1: don't want that to be conflated at all, but it
Speaker 1: reminds me a little of like remember watching that Tyson
Speaker 1: documentary where he talked about when he was like eighteen
Speaker 1: years old or sixteen years old, I can't remember, where
Speaker 1: like these these very very rich sort of like boxer
Speaker 1: expert people bring them to their giant fucking mansion to
Speaker 1: like train or to like build a relationship. I can't
Speaker 1: remember exactly what the context is, but all he said
Speaker 1: he gets in this big ass mansion where he's now
Speaker 1: meeting some of the most major players in American boxing,
Speaker 1: Like this is this is his chance at a real future.
Speaker 2: Always like after cuss this is like.
Speaker 1: No, this is early. This is before he's even even
Speaker 1: before that's happened.
Speaker 2: Oh so he's like fresh out of like he's in
Speaker 2: juvie or whatever. Yeah, this is like him.
Speaker 1: He's he was playing with pigeons moments ago, and then
Speaker 1: they pick him up and they bring him to this
Speaker 1: mansion up state, and he says he walked in and
Speaker 1: the entire time they're talking to him, he just kept
Speaker 1: thinking about how he could rob them, Like the entire
Speaker 1: time they're sitting here telling him how like they could
Speaker 1: transform his life. He's like, I could rob these motherfuckers
Speaker 1: right now and run off with all their shit. And
Speaker 1: it feels like that probably is where oj used to
Speaker 1: live to sae extent, and then found his way into
Speaker 1: like this. You know Jovie nice warm man who you
Speaker 1: know everybody.
Speaker 2: Loved Was he that though? Because it doesn't. It seems
Speaker 2: like that's all pretty front facing. There's like you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, It's like, is that something he developed
Speaker 2: to deal with the public as opposed to do not
Speaker 2: reflect who he was? Well, I'll say this and we
Speaker 2: should go to break soon. I don't believe any person
Speaker 2: is that, do you know what I mean? Like, I
Speaker 2: think all of that is is a roost. Nobody is
Speaker 2: Paul Rudd all the time. R Rudd goes home and he's.
Speaker 1: Say, it's just a positive, fun guy. But like I
Speaker 1: bet he goes home and he like fucking gets jealous
Speaker 1: and mean. And that's not to say that he's a
Speaker 1: bad person. It's just to say that, like we all
Speaker 1: have like, yeah, polls to us and to some extent,
Speaker 1: I think OJ just really map stirred one type of
Speaker 1: presentational poll in obviously, the domestic violence, the sort of
Speaker 1: like rage that he demonstrated multiple times outside of the
Speaker 1: public eye is a reflection of how much that other
Speaker 1: pole shifted in the other direction.
Speaker 2: I I, yeah, I would agree with that. I think
Speaker 2: that he's a complicated guy. Maybe we throw it, break,
Speaker 2: we come back. It's not as funny as I hoped
Speaker 2: you would.
Speaker 1: Be No, it's not.
Speaker 2: It hasn't been.
Speaker 1: I was like, we're gonna get some good bits off.
Speaker 1: I am excited because when we come back, we do
Speaker 1: have Olivia. It took some time to gather up some
Speaker 1: of the big headlines as it relates to our dear
Speaker 1: friend O. J. Simpson's passing, and I think a few
Speaker 1: of them are pretty, uh, pretty provocative. They're exciting. They'll
Speaker 1: make for good conversation. So we hope you'll rejoin us.
Speaker 1: We're sorry, it's not our funniest episode, but we're in
Speaker 1: we're in mourning right now. We lost a really important
Speaker 1: man and that's okay, So we're gonna take a break.
Speaker 1: We'll be back with more. Ma Mama told me we're
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Speaker 2: We are back discussing. Oh I thought I could do
Speaker 2: the clip with a straight face.
Speaker 1: You know what bothers me about that clip?
Speaker 2: You tell me, how does she know that?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? How does she know that?
Speaker 1: Harriet Tubman her pop my butt, pop, pop my butt,
Speaker 1: And she immediately was no, the whip, Like, you don't know, bitch,
Speaker 1: that's not how they talked.
Speaker 2: You don't know. You for sure she doesn't know. And
Speaker 2: also a lot of shit we did sound bad to
Speaker 2: Harriet Tubman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally everything I say sounds bad to Harriet Tubman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we can't. That's not the metric. No,
Speaker 2: Now you know who would have loved it was MLK.
Speaker 1: By my butt.
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Speaker 2: to only talk about doctor King heiden Is Boner. We're
Speaker 2: here to talk about O. J.
Speaker 1: Simpson, OJ the Juice Simpson. We have a number of
Speaker 1: articles that were gathered for us by our producer Olivia.
Speaker 1: And the first one which you and I got a
Speaker 1: hearty laugh at just from reading it, and this is
Speaker 1: very exciting. It's a ABC News article that says that
Speaker 1: OJ Simpson, former football star, will be cremated, brain won't
Speaker 1: be donated for CTE research, says state state executor, which
Speaker 1: is fucking crazy, Like, you know, you just won't even
Speaker 1: give people a moment of like peace.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I mean to be fair, What does that change?
Speaker 1: It just lets us know that this whole time he
Speaker 1: was crazy for a reason.
Speaker 2: That would be nice, But there's so many other factors
Speaker 2: to OJ being nuts besides ct Like I'm not listen,
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to take away from CTE. I'm saying
Speaker 2: this was a man that was You can't have the
Speaker 2: whole world come at you like that and not go crazy. No, listen,
Speaker 2: you would have gone nuts. And you've never played an
Speaker 2: aggressive sport in your life.
Speaker 1: I played a little bit of football.
Speaker 2: Oh I bet you did that.
Speaker 1: That was a corner. I did all the I've never
Speaker 1: told you this story. I did all the workouts for
Speaker 1: an entire and then you quit, and then I quit
Speaker 1: right before pads and the coach fully cussed me out.
Speaker 1: I've never had an adult do this before when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, like fully cussed me the fuck out
Speaker 1: and never spoke to me again, Like would walk the
Speaker 1: halls and like ignore, like pull his head and like
Speaker 1: ignore me like a fucking bitch, like an absolute hoe.
Speaker 1: And I'll never forget it. Because he called my home
Speaker 1: and was like, Kerman, where are you. We're waiting on you.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not coming, and he was like Herman,
Speaker 1: heuck you.
Speaker 2: Oh it's so funny, but that's it's weird.
Speaker 1: It was weird.
Speaker 2: And he got a last name first guy.
Speaker 1: No, And you should have known that if you wanted
Speaker 1: to really recruit me for your little game, even the
Speaker 1: way you spoke to me when you liked me made
Speaker 1: me uncomfortable. He's Kerman, where are you? I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gunning?
Speaker 2: It was like, fuck you were you just like in
Speaker 2: the house?
Speaker 1: Just hell yeah, I was chilling. I had a little
Speaker 1: I probably had a little date set up. I was
Speaker 1: gonna go do my thing.
Speaker 2: And here he is.
Speaker 1: We got a three a day set up and you're
Speaker 1: you're am I, hey.
Speaker 2: Bitch, I'm not coming to that. Oh man, that's so funny.
Speaker 2: I did you even like playing football? Though I can't.
Speaker 2: You don't seem what you would have enjoyed it. I
Speaker 2: think I was.
Speaker 1: If I'm being completely honest, I think I was more
Speaker 1: fearful of it than enjoying it, Like you're afraid of
Speaker 1: getting hurt. Yeah, I never I never made it to pad,
Speaker 1: so I never really got like the full experience. So
Speaker 1: I think whatever that, the the looming fear of that
Speaker 1: in my head outweighed the enjoyment of like the activity itself.
Speaker 1: If that made sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that. I get that. I understand it's
Speaker 2: not you.
Speaker 1: I also think defense sort of is a different kind
Speaker 1: of game.
Speaker 2: Than you, know what I mean, Like, defense is so fun.
Speaker 1: I believe you. I think like if I were if
Speaker 1: I were running back or a wide receiver or some shit.
Speaker 1: You kind of feel like the goals are more clearly achievable,
Speaker 1: Like I run my route, I catch the ball.
Speaker 2: I maybe I don't think I don't see you going
Speaker 2: over the middle. I think you have cornerback energy. Yeah. No,
Speaker 2: I think I'll take that as you will.
Speaker 1: I don't take it personally, And I will say I
Speaker 1: think part of what made him mad was I was
Speaker 1: pretty good at it during like the summer training shit,
Speaker 1: Like I wasn't bad. Yeah, and like the all the
Speaker 1: the sort of like the workouts and like a lot
Speaker 1: of the stuff, I was demonstrating a lot of the
Speaker 1: skills that would make for a good cornerback, And so
Speaker 1: he was kind of hoping to have me, you know,
Speaker 1: for real play, And now I'm not coming.
Speaker 2: He's like, I will.
Speaker 1: Murder your family.
Speaker 2: But it's not about me.
Speaker 1: It's about our dear friend Juice and whether or not
Speaker 1: his brain should be donated. And I truly think it's
Speaker 1: insane that a person and I agree with you, he's
Speaker 1: been crazy. He would have been crazy with or without
Speaker 1: the CTE. But I think you gotta give people at
Speaker 1: least a little bit of peace to know that, like YO,
Speaker 1: some of these antiques, some of this behavior was rooted
Speaker 1: in a brain damage situation and not just a loose
Speaker 1: goose out on.
Speaker 2: I mean, do you think, what do you think the
Speaker 2: level is of that? Because he kind of had wild
Speaker 2: behavior prior to like it was exhibited his whole life.
Speaker 2: It's not like it just showed up at some point.
Speaker 1: I think if we're accounting for one hundred percent of
Speaker 1: his crazy, right, if we're saying that he was one
Speaker 1: hundred percent crazy, I would say fifty person of that
Speaker 1: with CT Wow. Really I think a good half of
Speaker 1: it was CTE.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think he would have murdered two people with
Speaker 1: CT right or without the CTE. Okay, I think he
Speaker 1: would have beat the shit out of two people without
Speaker 1: the CT.
Speaker 2: I mean, but you kind of also think it's Sun
Speaker 2: did it. Yeah, So if it Sun did it, then
Speaker 2: what does CT lie.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't, let me be clear, I believe that
Speaker 1: his son did the physical action. I don't believe that
Speaker 1: OJ wasn't there that night. I think that OJ was
Speaker 1: very much a part of it, and it just was
Speaker 1: his son who took it all the way.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But I do think that like OJ was kind of
Speaker 1: like a liaison inside of this murder, which I think
Speaker 1: takes as much insanity as literally, you know, carving a
Speaker 1: person's head nearly off, okay.
Speaker 2: But then once his son's excuse, maybe crazy just runs
Speaker 2: in the family.
Speaker 1: I think there's probably a history a mental illness inside
Speaker 1: of their family. I think that's fair to say. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much I talk. I don't. I
Speaker 2: just don't. I mean, CT is a possibility, but I
Speaker 2: think that there's a lot of NFL players X, current
Speaker 2: and future who don't go on killing spree, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I bet they got a little less CT
Speaker 1: than he got it. I bet they didn't have fifty percent,
Speaker 1: and they were probably regular guys which were fair fifty
Speaker 1: a number that came out of nowhere from you, Like
Speaker 1: you said, I'm a pretty good researcher, all right, But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I it is.
Speaker 2: It's it's odd though that they're like, nah, we don't
Speaker 2: want to know what was in there.
Speaker 1: I just think that's crazy. I will also say that
Speaker 1: the executor, which I read this independent of some of
Speaker 1: the articles that Olivia.
Speaker 2: Said, you did your own research.
Speaker 1: I did some independent research, and one of the things
Speaker 1: the executor said after O Jay's death was that Bron
Speaker 1: Goldman's family will never see a fucking dime from the
Speaker 1: OJ in state.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 1: He said, especially the Goldman family. He like went out
Speaker 1: out of his way to be like, fuck those people
Speaker 1: who lost their son, suck a dick. Ron Goldman's family,
Speaker 1: You'll never see a fucking dime. And then he kind
Speaker 1: of like a few days later, walked it back and
Speaker 1: was like, hey, y'all, I was, We're all real upset.
Speaker 1: Juice was gone. I just said some stuff.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Honest, I'm at a party.
Speaker 2: My dog. I mean, man, Well, let's talk about this
Speaker 2: next one, because that is that is the next headline
Speaker 2: that we were going to talk about anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, OJ Simpson died one hundred and fourteen million dollars
Speaker 1: in debt to Ron Goldman's family, and legal battle looms.
Speaker 1: The attorney says Simpson and old Goldman and Brown's family
Speaker 1: thirty three point five million after he was found liable
Speaker 1: in a wrongful death suit in nineteen ninety seven. Now,
Speaker 1: one of the things that I know to be true again,
Speaker 1: I do my own independent research is that when OJ
Speaker 1: Simpson was hit with this major charge after the death
Speaker 1: of Ron Goldman and losing this civil suit, he was
Speaker 1: able to basically claim bankruptcy right like he had spent
Speaker 1: all his money on these trials, he didn't have any
Speaker 1: of the liquid cash to be able to pay them.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that they ended up having
Speaker 1: to I guess like leverage as a way of reclaiming
Speaker 1: those funds is the autobiography If I Did It, that
Speaker 1: OJ wrote, memoir that OJ wrote, And so when you
Speaker 1: listen to the auto to the book on tape of
Speaker 1: If I Did It, there's actually a one hour preamble
Speaker 1: from Ron Goldman's sister explaining that this book is now
Speaker 1: in their possession, like they own the rights to it,
Speaker 1: and it is ruining their life because people will not
Speaker 1: stop accusing them of trying to profit off of their
Speaker 1: family member's death, even though this is the only way
Speaker 1: that they can actually make real money from OJ Simpson
Speaker 1: given his current state.
Speaker 2: Man, it's dark. That is a terrible everything. This whole situation.
Speaker 2: Nobody won No. I don't think that it was like
Speaker 2: a brutal murder happened, committed by whoever you want and
Speaker 2: everyone involved lotched out terribly, except I don't know. I
Speaker 2: think they got him. I like, he still ended up
Speaker 2: going to prison, his life spiral. It's not like he
Speaker 2: just walked and then it was like he didn't go
Speaker 2: on to live the life he was going to lead. Yeah. Maybe,
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: One of the things I wonder, and I'm curious to
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on this, is like how much of
Speaker 1: that is by our standards of living? Do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 1: Like, at the end of the day, this dude went
Speaker 1: out playing golf every day and getting to make his
Speaker 1: little Twitter videos, And I wonder if he was just
Speaker 1: that crazy of a person that like that that's all
Speaker 1: he wanted, do you know what I mean? Like that's
Speaker 1: all he needed. And we're just putting all these expectations
Speaker 1: of well, your family and and your kids. It's complicated
Speaker 1: and you're you know what I mean, Like you didn't
Speaker 1: get to live the life you want to lead. Blah
Speaker 1: blah blah.
Speaker 2: I think regardless, I don't think he wanted to go
Speaker 2: to prison for nine years. No, I don't think he
Speaker 2: did either. But I bet he thrived in jail. Oh man,
Speaker 2: I don't what's thriving, not not being I don't think
Speaker 2: he was having I think he was in prisoned for
Speaker 2: nine year, you know what I'm saying. Even at the
Speaker 2: top of that, it's still he was imprisoned. I'm just
Speaker 2: saying I don't think he got away with it clean.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was like who all right back
Speaker 2: to doing OJ, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But again, this is where I guess when we disagree.
Speaker 2: And I also think that's like I think that all
Speaker 2: the videos and shit like that that's presentation to the
Speaker 2: world is just that, like he was Paul rudding it.
Speaker 2: I guess you think there was just a really happy
Speaker 2: guy at the end.
Speaker 1: Then I again, this is where we disagree, is like
Speaker 1: I do think that there was a big period where
Speaker 1: he was just back to doing OJ and then like
Speaker 1: in between before he goes to jail again, he he
Speaker 1: loses all his money. That stinks, but he gets to
Speaker 1: move to Florida and he immediately I remember these headlines
Speaker 1: the immediate had like two new girlfriends, both of whom
Speaker 1: looked fucking spitting image to Nicole, Like, I think some
Speaker 1: of it was just like a brain he made a
Speaker 1: fucking prank show. He had a Sola Dad O'Brien special
Speaker 1: where he finally pretended to confess, and it wasn't in
Speaker 1: confession at all. It was just him being up there
Speaker 1: and being like, man, whoever did this, we got to
Speaker 1: catch him, Sola Dad, Like, I think, I think if
Speaker 1: he were talking about a person being in on the bit,
Speaker 1: and I do genuinely believe he was in on the bit.
Speaker 1: This is a dude who kind of got to live
Speaker 1: the way he wanted to live, even when the repercussions
Speaker 1: tried to beat the shit out of him.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's difficult because I don't know
Speaker 2: how he wanted to do it. I mean, I guess
Speaker 2: fucking hoes, golfing, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think he just wanted to be fucking hoes and
Speaker 1: playing golf, and he got to do both of those
Speaker 1: things pretty frequently. Yeah, after nine years in prison, after
Speaker 1: nine years in prison, and I bet as far because
Speaker 1: of how big of a major player he was in
Speaker 1: the in the world, right, Like, he had such a
Speaker 1: big imprint in everybody's life to the point that you
Speaker 1: stop even feeling bad for the victims of his murder.
Speaker 2: Which is true. It's unfortunate. I do. I do. It
Speaker 2: is unfortunate in that I do not think of even
Speaker 2: less than Nicole Ron. Ain't nobody thinking about Ron at
Speaker 2: all at all?
Speaker 1: And again we're not celebrating that.
Speaker 2: I don't want to know. I understand that it's a murder.
Speaker 1: That's a terrible thing, but it's just not even They
Speaker 1: don't even bring Ron up half the time.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not nobody's thinking about Ron. So I don't think
Speaker 1: he went to jail and like people were like, fuck you, Oj,
Speaker 1: you're a wife killer, you're.
Speaker 2: This, You're that.
Speaker 1: They were just like, bro OJ Simpson is next door, right,
Speaker 1: I love those shoes. That's fucking crazy, naked gun, motherfucking
Speaker 1: neck door OJ.
Speaker 2: Juicers, you can play football and baseball. I don't even
Speaker 2: remember Oj, No, that's before our time, But that was
Speaker 2: the shoes he had. It wasn't even I think it
Speaker 2: was like an independent chew. I don't think it was
Speaker 2: even like Nike or Reebok or Pony or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Just juicers.
Speaker 2: I think it was just the juicers.
Speaker 1: We're calling upon you because we have we have new merch.
Speaker 1: We have very exciting merch. That we are now selling
Speaker 1: and it's it's fucking great.
Speaker 2: We love it so much. Just sleek, it's sexy.
Speaker 1: Come on, you want to tell them what we have?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have three different types of hats, which is
Speaker 2: really fun. We have a two tone hat Alien Dad hat,
Speaker 2: the traditional logo in black and khaki. Then we have
Speaker 2: the enamel pin with an alien who has a coofie
Speaker 2: on it since my mama told me. And then we
Speaker 2: have t shirts that say proud little Mama, which is
Speaker 2: who you are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can buy the merch now, go to my
Speaker 1: mama told me dot merch table dot com. It's a
Speaker 1: brand new name, but it's the same old merch and
Speaker 1: we would love for you to get some if you
Speaker 1: haven't got it already, and we want you to have
Speaker 1: all the sweet stuff, so get it.
Speaker 2: Hey man, I tried to click on that oj juicter
Speaker 2: and my whole shit collapse. Whoa, my inn, it's just closed.
Speaker 1: Wow, even from heaven, my man, it's like chill out.
Speaker 2: That's where do you think he's at?
Speaker 1: M No, no, no, I think O Jay is somewhere
Speaker 1: else that I don't know what I where I think
Speaker 1: he is And I don't think that's it's important, but no,
Speaker 1: it's not. I don't think he'll have an eternity of bliss.
Speaker 1: I'd say that was did you see that online? It
Speaker 1: was rest, It was trending rest in hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't love that stuff. I mean, because here's the thing.
Speaker 2: That doesn't happen when like kissing your eyes, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, people don't go like there is
Speaker 2: an aspect to the hatred that is truly a black
Speaker 2: man murder and a white woman. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think in general too, I just don't love when
Speaker 1: we like fucking celebrate a dead person. It feels and
Speaker 1: I know that feels maybe like I'm trying to like
Speaker 1: be a weird PC. Hey, that's not nice whatever, but
Speaker 1: it's it's honestly more like, you know what bugs me
Speaker 1: about it is like, uh, dying kind of feels like
Speaker 1: a type of victory that we're being losers about when
Speaker 1: we celebrated. Do you know what I mean? Like, when
Speaker 1: you die, you're not tracking what we're saying about you.
Speaker 1: You're not getting to like you're not getting to them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. OJ's not gonna read the
Speaker 1: tweets and be like, fuck, everybody's mad at me or
Speaker 1: didn't like me. They're just gonna be like they're not
Speaker 1: here no more.
Speaker 2: It's performative to us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just us performing sort of like our almost
Speaker 1: our most vile nature to each other. And it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, we kind of just gotta let
Speaker 1: people die and move on, good or bad. It feels
Speaker 1: odd to be like I miss you so much or
Speaker 1: I fucking hated your guts the whole time. You just
Speaker 1: kind of have to be like, well, that's finished.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gone. I mean that is It's just it
Speaker 2: is crazy and like I understand in my gut though
Speaker 2: when I see that, it does feel racial, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, I don't think like I don't think that.
Speaker 2: And that's the hard thing with the whole OJ thing
Speaker 2: is like everything he did is like terrible, yeah, terrible,
Speaker 2: but you feel like he's being it's it's incrementally worse
Speaker 2: because of how he looks, even even with the even
Speaker 2: with the beating the charge, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: That's the only reason you feel some sort of like
Speaker 2: like I said in my gut, with the with the
Speaker 2: like not guilty thing. As an adult, you come to
Speaker 2: be like damn at least somebody got off, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And it goes back to that, like it's almost like
Speaker 2: it's odd because he's used to represent a system that
Speaker 2: I don't feel like he necessarily wanted to be a
Speaker 2: part of.
Speaker 1: No, he Let's be clear, oj didn't like being black.
Speaker 1: He didn't like having these associations, certainly not throughout the
Speaker 1: bulk of his life and career. But and it's this
Speaker 1: isn't a new thought, but it is sort of a
Speaker 1: factual one. Is like, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: he did represent sort of an overcoming of a system
Speaker 1: that is truly built against black and brown people objectively. Literally,
Speaker 1: our police system is built on the idea of recapturing slaves.
Speaker 1: It's not this isn't a just program that we've set
Speaker 1: up in any way or fashion. And so oja sort
Speaker 1: of like getting to overcome that was just a reflection
Speaker 1: of everybody celebrating and overcoming more than even just a
Speaker 1: celebration of like a black man and his blackness was like, nah, man,
Speaker 1: we just fucking lose every time. So it's nice to
Speaker 1: see it's ocean's eleven. It's nice to see somebody beat
Speaker 1: the house and just walk away. From the ship.
Speaker 2: And that's truly I guess the sad state of affairs
Speaker 2: within all this is like to have that, to have
Speaker 2: that feel like a wind is such a dark representation
Speaker 2: of everything, you know what I mean. And it does
Speaker 2: feel like that to me, you know, you know, for
Speaker 2: better or words, it does feel like that.
Speaker 1: And if we want to take even a bigger step back,
Speaker 1: I don't know that this case becomes this case if
Speaker 1: OJ murders his first wife, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: if her, this black lady from fucking Oakland gets murdered
Speaker 1: along with her black ass side piece.
Speaker 2: Uh, it could have been a light skinned guy. They're
Speaker 2: known for people's wife. Don't that's okay? Hey, I identify
Speaker 2: black ass too. I don't know if that's okay with you,
Speaker 2: but but that's what's in my heart. Oh welcome, were
Speaker 2: watching football leader? No, no, no, we want.
Speaker 1: But point being, I think, you know, the case becomes
Speaker 1: the case because of sort of the racial implications inside
Speaker 1: of so much of it. OJ becomes the polarizing figure
Speaker 1: because of the racial implications. You can't have the conversation
Speaker 1: without having the conversation about OJ's race. Even at the
Speaker 1: points when OJ wasn't ready to acknowledge his race inside
Speaker 1: of it. So it's unfortunate. I wish that like this
Speaker 1: could just be one of those classic funny murder trials
Speaker 1: that have nothing to.
Speaker 2: Do with true crime, nothing to do with race.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just a man doing a bad thing
Speaker 1: to a couple people, and we move on with our lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I do think ultimately that is
Speaker 2: the difficulty of this whole thing is that systemically what's
Speaker 2: a win for the bigger picture is not always because
Speaker 2: in no way is just a win. I don't want
Speaker 2: to I know we've been laughing, but this is like
Speaker 2: a terrible thing that happened. It's a terrible thing that happened.
Speaker 2: And it's also no I'll keep laughing whatever. It was
Speaker 2: a terrible things screwing right now. Can't even see his
Speaker 2: eyes reddish, Hugh is, his face rushers with blood. He's
Speaker 2: so happy.
Speaker 1: But we cherished the moments we did get with Ojay.
Speaker 1: We hate to see our friend pass, but we cherished
Speaker 1: the time we spent with him because he contributed so
Speaker 1: fucking much to to just the last.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really wanted this to be funnier than it was.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Did you think it was gonna be funnier. I thought so.
Speaker 1: I thought we'd just be silly about it, And instead
Speaker 1: it felt like we were being responsible the whole time.
Speaker 1: And and I'm sorry that happened.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, y'all. It's like we need to be more
Speaker 2: flipping about murder. And listen, Lacey and I we're you
Speaker 2: know I'm being worse guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, certainly, I'm I'm working on it. I think
Speaker 1: Bory ebbs and flows on his commitment to to coming
Speaker 1: to the to the devil's side.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if that's a compliment or not.
Speaker 1: I don't know that it is either. I'm I'd like
Speaker 1: for you to join me. I'd like for you to
Speaker 1: nut up and join me. And instead every week you
Speaker 1: keep telling me how you've joined a church.
Speaker 2: That's never happened. First of all, relax.
Speaker 1: Say, brother, have you heard the good word? Come on,
Speaker 1: what are you talking?
Speaker 2: Sometimes somebody buys one bike, gets in a relationship, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he can't be a bad guy anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't like that. Look at me.
Speaker 1: I keep expanding my family and digging further into the dirt.
Speaker 1: That feels like the way you're supposed.
Speaker 2: To do it. That's what that that's what that turbutes
Speaker 2: clearly honous with dying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, we miss you, Juice, and we hope wherever
Speaker 1: you are, which unfortunately is not.
Speaker 2: Heaven, could understand that. We hope.
Speaker 1: We hope. If nothing else, y'all take care, you know,
Speaker 1: and by y'all we mean you. You want to tell
Speaker 1: the people where they can find you and what cool
Speaker 1: shit you have going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't you come to a comedy show after
Speaker 2: come see me too, stand up comge my special. I'm
Speaker 2: very funny. No OJ jokes, no not, I've never had
Speaker 2: I've never got I've never had Joe. I got to
Speaker 2: know Jjo. Really yeah, I got one. I just wrote.
Speaker 1: Actually not pre his death, you were just thinking about
Speaker 1: him anyways. No, literally, me and my wife listened to
Speaker 1: the book on tape together and.
Speaker 2: I just got that's sweet. You guys like sit and
Speaker 2: listen to it like in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: Well the bit was that we did it to save
Speaker 1: our marriage. Whoa you know, like you're sitting with your
Speaker 1: girl and it it gets like quiet, but like quiet
Speaker 1: in a way that like that too quiet, that like
Speaker 1: if somebody doesn't talk, soon one of us is gonna
Speaker 1: start cheating on the other person.
Speaker 2: No, that's not I'm not there.
Speaker 1: Oh you'll get there. Take your time, young man, you'll
Speaker 1: find yourself there.
Speaker 2: No mood to get to where you are, you know.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, that's sometimes you gotta feel that quiet and
Speaker 1: it turns out if I did it, it's a pretty
Speaker 1: good feel.
Speaker 2: All right. Well, I'm feeling my special May eighteenth and
Speaker 2: Dude ighty K Studios in Denver, Colorado. If you watch
Speaker 2: my Instagram, the link will go up. It's a really
Speaker 2: small room. It's only it only seats between sixty and seventy.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do three four shows, so if you want
Speaker 2: those tickets, please get those tickets asap. DM me. I'll
Speaker 2: have the link up. Come out support. I would really
Speaker 2: love to see you. Thanks to and thanks of all
Speaker 2: the little mama's I've been running out to in the wild.
Speaker 2: Weirdly enough, some dude on the street after GETT nice
Speaker 2: cream yesterday, nice guy. Waves were swimming. Mm you know
Speaker 2: that lady in Voisey, nice lady you in wavy Little Mamas? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: Well the one was a man, the other one was
Speaker 2: a woman. No, they both had waves. I love a
Speaker 2: woman with waves. I do too.
Speaker 1: As always, you can follow me at Langston Kerrman. I'm
Speaker 1: not out on the road anytime soon, but if you
Speaker 1: want to see something, I've been working on a new
Speaker 1: show called Everybody's in La, presented by John Mulaney. It's
Speaker 1: going to be on Netflix May third through May tenth.
Speaker 1: It's going to be live variety show that I've been
Speaker 1: writing for and I'm gonna do some bits inside of
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