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Speaker 2: I can love you in the shower, both of our

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Speaker 2: night you won't forget on the kitchen floor as I

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Speaker 2: softly pull your hair. We can do it. Anywhere. Ladies

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Speaker 2: and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama

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Speaker 2: Told Me.

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Speaker 1: The podcast where we dive deep deep into the pockets

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Speaker 1: of black conspiracy theories and.

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Speaker 2: We finally worked to prove that the cool in Cool

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Speaker 2: Mode D was in fact short for cool Whip.

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Speaker 1: The man was the heir to a dairy fortune. My

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Speaker 1: name is David Boy. Oh that is that is huge.

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Speaker 1: If true, that is that is fantastic. And I am

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Speaker 1: Langston Kerman. And to find out that Kool O D

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Speaker 2: You're in the business, are you surprised that's how it works.

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Speaker 2: I'm the illegitimate son of cool Rock Ski from the

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Speaker 2: Fat Boys. Do you think I just got here? You

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Speaker 1: You know that one fat boy who didn't show up

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Speaker 1: It didn't feel like the fat boys never got successful

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Speaker 2: Well, I think both of those guys were trailblazers, and

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. There wasn't a lot of

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Speaker 1: It just didn't feel it didn't feel like the big

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Speaker 1: OJ at one point had a prank show, Oh Juice, Yeah, Juiced,

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Speaker 1: meeting some of the most major players in American boxing,

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Speaker 1: Like this is this is his chance at a real future.

437
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Speaker 2: Always like after cuss this is like.

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Speaker 1: No, this is early. This is before he's even even

439
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: before that's happened.

440
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 2: Oh so he's like fresh out of like he's in

441
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: juvie or whatever. Yeah, this is like him.

442
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: He's he was playing with pigeons moments ago, and then

443
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: they pick him up and they bring him to this

444
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: mansion up state, and he says he walked in and

445
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: the entire time they're talking to him, he just kept

446
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: thinking about how he could rob them, Like the entire

447
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: time they're sitting here telling him how like they could

448
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: transform his life. He's like, I could rob these motherfuckers

449
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: right now and run off with all their shit. And

450
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: it feels like that probably is where oj used to

451
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: live to sae extent, and then found his way into

452
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Speaker 1: like this. You know Jovie nice warm man who you

453
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Speaker 1: know everybody.

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Speaker 2: Loved Was he that though? Because it doesn't. It seems

455
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: like that's all pretty front facing. There's like you know

456
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Speaker 2: what I mean, It's like, is that something he developed

457
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: to deal with the public as opposed to do not

458
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: reflect who he was? Well, I'll say this and we

459
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 2: should go to break soon. I don't believe any person

460
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 2: is that, do you know what I mean? Like, I

461
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: think all of that is is a roost. Nobody is

462
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 2: Paul Rudd all the time. R Rudd goes home and he's.

463
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Speaker 1: Say, it's just a positive, fun guy. But like I

464
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 1: bet he goes home and he like fucking gets jealous

465
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: and mean. And that's not to say that he's a

466
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: bad person. It's just to say that, like we all

467
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: have like, yeah, polls to us and to some extent,

468
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Speaker 1: I think OJ just really map stirred one type of

469
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: presentational poll in obviously, the domestic violence, the sort of

470
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: like rage that he demonstrated multiple times outside of the

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Speaker 1: public eye is a reflection of how much that other

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00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: pole shifted in the other direction.

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Speaker 2: I I, yeah, I would agree with that. I think

474
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Speaker 2: that he's a complicated guy. Maybe we throw it, break,

475
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: we come back. It's not as funny as I hoped

476
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Speaker 2: you would.

477
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Speaker 1: Be No, it's not.

478
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Speaker 2: It hasn't been.

479
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Speaker 1: I was like, we're gonna get some good bits off.

480
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Speaker 1: I am excited because when we come back, we do

481
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: have Olivia. It took some time to gather up some

482
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Speaker 1: of the big headlines as it relates to our dear

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Speaker 1: friend O. J. Simpson's passing, and I think a few

484
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: of them are pretty, uh, pretty provocative. They're exciting. They'll

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Speaker 1: make for good conversation. So we hope you'll rejoin us.

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Speaker 1: We're sorry, it's not our funniest episode, but we're in

487
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: we're in mourning right now. We lost a really important

488
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Speaker 1: man and that's okay, So we're gonna take a break.

489
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Speaker 1: We'll be back with more. Ma Mama told me we're

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Speaker 1: calling upon you because we have new merch. We have

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Speaker 1: Come on, you want to tell them what we have?

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Speaker 1: Do you know what pop my butt meant? To Harriet Tubman?

510
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Speaker 1: Do you know what that meant? It meant a whip.

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Speaker 2: We are back discussing. Oh I thought I could do

512
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: the clip with a straight face.

513
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Speaker 1: You know what bothers me about that clip?

514
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: You tell me, how does she know that?

515
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? How does she know that?

516
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: Harriet Tubman her pop my butt, pop, pop my butt,

517
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: And she immediately was no, the whip, Like, you don't know, bitch,

518
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Speaker 1: that's not how they talked.

519
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Speaker 2: You don't know. You for sure she doesn't know. And

520
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: also a lot of shit we did sound bad to

521
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Speaker 2: Harriet Tubman.

522
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally everything I say sounds bad to Harriet Tubman.

523
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we can't. That's not the metric. No,

524
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: Now you know who would have loved it was MLK.

525
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: By my butt.

526
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't my bible.

527
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: I gotta hide.

528
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: Put it by my waist. Oh No, we're not here

529
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: to only talk about doctor King heiden Is Boner. We're

530
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: here to talk about O. J.

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Speaker 1: Simpson, OJ the Juice Simpson. We have a number of

532
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: articles that were gathered for us by our producer Olivia.

533
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: And the first one which you and I got a

534
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: hearty laugh at just from reading it, and this is

535
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: very exciting. It's a ABC News article that says that

536
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: OJ Simpson, former football star, will be cremated, brain won't

537
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: be donated for CTE research, says state state executor, which

538
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: is fucking crazy, Like, you know, you just won't even

539
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: give people a moment of like peace.

540
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: Oh man, I mean to be fair, What does that change?

541
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Speaker 1: It just lets us know that this whole time he

542
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: was crazy for a reason.

543
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: That would be nice, But there's so many other factors

544
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: to OJ being nuts besides ct Like I'm not listen,

545
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to take away from CTE. I'm saying

546
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: this was a man that was You can't have the

547
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: whole world come at you like that and not go crazy. No, listen,

548
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: you would have gone nuts. And you've never played an

549
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: aggressive sport in your life.

550
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: I played a little bit of football.

551
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: Oh I bet you did that.

552
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: That was a corner. I did all the I've never

553
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: told you this story. I did all the workouts for

554
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: an entire and then you quit, and then I quit

555
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: right before pads and the coach fully cussed me out.

556
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Speaker 1: I've never had an adult do this before when I

557
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: was a kid, like fully cussed me the fuck out

558
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: and never spoke to me again, Like would walk the

559
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: halls and like ignore, like pull his head and like

560
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: ignore me like a fucking bitch, like an absolute hoe.

561
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: And I'll never forget it. Because he called my home

562
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: and was like, Kerman, where are you. We're waiting on you.

563
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not coming, and he was like Herman,

564
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: heuck you.

565
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Speaker 2: Oh it's so funny, but that's it's weird.

566
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Speaker 1: It was weird.

567
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: And he got a last name first guy.

568
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: No, And you should have known that if you wanted

569
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Speaker 1: to really recruit me for your little game, even the

570
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: way you spoke to me when you liked me made

571
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: me uncomfortable. He's Kerman, where are you? I was like,

572
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gunning?

573
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 2: It was like, fuck you were you just like in

574
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Speaker 2: the house?

575
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: Just hell yeah, I was chilling. I had a little

576
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: I probably had a little date set up. I was

577
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: gonna go do my thing.

578
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: And here he is.

579
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: We got a three a day set up and you're

580
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: you're am I, hey.

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Speaker 2: Bitch, I'm not coming to that. Oh man, that's so funny.

582
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: I did you even like playing football? Though I can't.

583
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: You don't seem what you would have enjoyed it. I

584
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: think I was.

585
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Speaker 1: If I'm being completely honest, I think I was more

586
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Speaker 1: fearful of it than enjoying it, Like you're afraid of

587
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: getting hurt. Yeah, I never I never made it to pad,

588
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: so I never really got like the full experience. So

589
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: I think whatever that, the the looming fear of that

590
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Speaker 1: in my head outweighed the enjoyment of like the activity itself.

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Speaker 1: If that made sense.

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00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that. I get that. I understand it's

593
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Speaker 2: not you.

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Speaker 1: I also think defense sort of is a different kind

595
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Speaker 1: of game.

596
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 2: Than you, know what I mean, Like, defense is so fun.

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Speaker 1: I believe you. I think like if I were if

598
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: I were running back or a wide receiver or some shit.

599
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: You kind of feel like the goals are more clearly achievable,

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Speaker 1: Like I run my route, I catch the ball.

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Speaker 2: I maybe I don't think I don't see you going

602
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: over the middle. I think you have cornerback energy. Yeah. No,

603
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Speaker 2: I think I'll take that as you will.

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00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: I don't take it personally, And I will say I

605
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Speaker 1: think part of what made him mad was I was

606
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Speaker 1: pretty good at it during like the summer training shit,

607
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: Like I wasn't bad. Yeah, and like the all the

608
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: the sort of like the workouts and like a lot

609
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: of the stuff, I was demonstrating a lot of the

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00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: skills that would make for a good cornerback, And so

611
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: he was kind of hoping to have me, you know,

612
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: for real play, And now I'm not coming.

613
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Speaker 2: He's like, I will.

614
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Speaker 1: Murder your family.

615
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: But it's not about me.

616
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: It's about our dear friend Juice and whether or not

617
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: his brain should be donated. And I truly think it's

618
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Speaker 1: insane that a person and I agree with you, he's

619
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Speaker 1: been crazy. He would have been crazy with or without

620
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Speaker 1: the CTE. But I think you gotta give people at

621
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Speaker 1: least a little bit of peace to know that, like YO,

622
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Speaker 1: some of these antiques, some of this behavior was rooted

623
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Speaker 1: in a brain damage situation and not just a loose

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Speaker 1: goose out on.

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you think, what do you think the

626
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: level is of that? Because he kind of had wild

627
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: behavior prior to like it was exhibited his whole life.

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00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: It's not like it just showed up at some point.

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Speaker 1: I think if we're accounting for one hundred percent of

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Speaker 1: his crazy, right, if we're saying that he was one

631
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Speaker 1: hundred percent crazy, I would say fifty person of that

632
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: with CT Wow. Really I think a good half of

633
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: it was CTE.

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00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, I don't think.

635
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: I don't think he would have murdered two people with

636
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: CT right or without the CTE. Okay, I think he

637
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: would have beat the shit out of two people without

638
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: the CT.

639
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 2: I mean, but you kind of also think it's Sun

640
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: did it. Yeah, So if it Sun did it, then

641
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: what does CT lie.

642
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: Well, I don't, let me be clear, I believe that

643
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: his son did the physical action. I don't believe that

644
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: OJ wasn't there that night. I think that OJ was

645
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: very much a part of it, and it just was

646
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: his son who took it all the way.

647
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean.

648
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: But I do think that like OJ was kind of

649
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: like a liaison inside of this murder, which I think

650
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: takes as much insanity as literally, you know, carving a

651
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: person's head nearly off, okay.

652
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 2: But then once his son's excuse, maybe crazy just runs

653
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: in the family.

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00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: I think there's probably a history a mental illness inside

655
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: of their family. I think that's fair to say. I don't.

656
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: I don't know how much I talk. I don't. I

657
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: just don't. I mean, CT is a possibility, but I

658
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: think that there's a lot of NFL players X, current

659
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 2: and future who don't go on killing spree, you know

660
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: what I mean.

661
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I bet they got a little less CT

662
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: than he got it. I bet they didn't have fifty percent,

663
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: and they were probably regular guys which were fair fifty

664
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: a number that came out of nowhere from you, Like

665
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: you said, I'm a pretty good researcher, all right, But yeah, no,

666
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: I it is.

667
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: It's it's odd though that they're like, nah, we don't

668
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: want to know what was in there.

669
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: I just think that's crazy. I will also say that

670
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: the executor, which I read this independent of some of

671
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: the articles that Olivia.

672
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: Said, you did your own research.

673
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 1: I did some independent research, and one of the things

674
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 1: the executor said after O Jay's death was that Bron

675
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: Goldman's family will never see a fucking dime from the

676
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: OJ in state.

677
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:20,479
Speaker 2: He said.

678
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: He said, especially the Goldman family. He like went out

679
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: out of his way to be like, fuck those people

680
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: who lost their son, suck a dick. Ron Goldman's family,

681
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: You'll never see a fucking dime. And then he kind

682
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: of like a few days later, walked it back and

683
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: was like, hey, y'all, I was, We're all real upset.

684
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: Juice was gone. I just said some stuff.

685
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: I don't.

686
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: Honest, I'm at a party.

687
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: My dog. I mean, man, Well, let's talk about this

688
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: next one, because that is that is the next headline

689
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: that we were going to talk about anyway.

690
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, OJ Simpson died one hundred and fourteen million dollars

691
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: in debt to Ron Goldman's family, and legal battle looms.

692
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: The attorney says Simpson and old Goldman and Brown's family

693
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: thirty three point five million after he was found liable

694
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: in a wrongful death suit in nineteen ninety seven. Now,

695
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 1: one of the things that I know to be true again,

696
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: I do my own independent research is that when OJ

697
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: Simpson was hit with this major charge after the death

698
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: of Ron Goldman and losing this civil suit, he was

699
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: able to basically claim bankruptcy right like he had spent

700
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: all his money on these trials, he didn't have any

701
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: of the liquid cash to be able to pay them.

702
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: And one of the things that they ended up having

703
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: to I guess like leverage as a way of reclaiming

704
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: those funds is the autobiography If I Did It, that

705
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: OJ wrote, memoir that OJ wrote, And so when you

706
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: listen to the auto to the book on tape of

707
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: If I Did It, there's actually a one hour preamble

708
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: from Ron Goldman's sister explaining that this book is now

709
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: in their possession, like they own the rights to it,

710
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: and it is ruining their life because people will not

711
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: stop accusing them of trying to profit off of their

712
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: family member's death, even though this is the only way

713
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: that they can actually make real money from OJ Simpson

714
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,479
Speaker 1: given his current state.

715
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 2: Man, it's dark. That is a terrible everything. This whole situation.

716
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: Nobody won No. I don't think that it was like

717
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: a brutal murder happened, committed by whoever you want and

718
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: everyone involved lotched out terribly, except I don't know. I

719
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: think they got him. I like, he still ended up

720
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 2: going to prison, his life spiral. It's not like he

721
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: just walked and then it was like he didn't go

722
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: on to live the life he was going to lead. Yeah. Maybe,

723
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: I guess.

724
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: One of the things I wonder, and I'm curious to

725
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on this, is like how much of

726
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: that is by our standards of living? Do you know

727
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: what I mean?

728
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 3: That?

729
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: Like, at the end of the day, this dude went

730
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: out playing golf every day and getting to make his

731
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: little Twitter videos, And I wonder if he was just

732
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 1: that crazy of a person that like that that's all

733
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: he wanted, do you know what I mean? Like that's

734
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: all he needed. And we're just putting all these expectations

735
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: of well, your family and and your kids. It's complicated

736
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: and you're you know what I mean, Like you didn't

737
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: get to live the life you want to lead. Blah

738
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: blah blah.

739
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: I think regardless, I don't think he wanted to go

740
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: to prison for nine years. No, I don't think he

741
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: did either. But I bet he thrived in jail. Oh man,

742
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: I don't what's thriving, not not being I don't think

743
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: he was having I think he was in prisoned for

744
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: nine year, you know what I'm saying. Even at the

745
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: top of that, it's still he was imprisoned. I'm just

746
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: saying I don't think he got away with it clean.

747
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 2: I don't think it was like who all right back

748
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: to doing OJ, you know what I'm saying.

749
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: But again, this is where I guess when we disagree.

750
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: And I also think that's like I think that all

751
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: the videos and shit like that that's presentation to the

752
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: world is just that, like he was Paul rudding it.

753
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: I guess you think there was just a really happy

754
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: guy at the end.

755
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: Then I again, this is where we disagree, is like

756
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: I do think that there was a big period where

757
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: he was just back to doing OJ and then like

758
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: in between before he goes to jail again, he he

759
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: loses all his money. That stinks, but he gets to

760
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: move to Florida and he immediately I remember these headlines

761
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: the immediate had like two new girlfriends, both of whom

762
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: looked fucking spitting image to Nicole, Like, I think some

763
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: of it was just like a brain he made a

764
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: fucking prank show. He had a Sola Dad O'Brien special

765
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: where he finally pretended to confess, and it wasn't in

766
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: confession at all. It was just him being up there

767
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: and being like, man, whoever did this, we got to

768
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: catch him, Sola Dad, Like, I think, I think if

769
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: he were talking about a person being in on the bit,

770
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: and I do genuinely believe he was in on the bit.

771
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: This is a dude who kind of got to live

772
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: the way he wanted to live, even when the repercussions

773
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: tried to beat the shit out of him.

774
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's difficult because I don't know

775
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: how he wanted to do it. I mean, I guess

776
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 2: fucking hoes, golfing, That's all I'm saying.

777
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: I think he just wanted to be fucking hoes and

778
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: playing golf, and he got to do both of those

779
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: things pretty frequently. Yeah, after nine years in prison, after

780
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: nine years in prison, and I bet as far because

781
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: of how big of a major player he was in

782
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: the in the world, right, Like, he had such a

783
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: big imprint in everybody's life to the point that you

784
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: stop even feeling bad for the victims of his murder.

785
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: Which is true. It's unfortunate. I do. I do. It

786
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 2: is unfortunate in that I do not think of even

787
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: less than Nicole Ron. Ain't nobody thinking about Ron at

788
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: all at all?

789
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: And again we're not celebrating that.

790
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: I don't want to know. I understand that it's a murder.

791
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: That's a terrible thing, but it's just not even They

792
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: don't even bring Ron up half the time.

793
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: No, no, it's not.

794
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: It's not nobody's thinking about Ron. So I don't think

795
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: he went to jail and like people were like, fuck you, Oj,

796
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: you're a wife killer, you're.

797
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: This, You're that.

798
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: They were just like, bro OJ Simpson is next door, right,

799
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: I love those shoes. That's fucking crazy, naked gun, motherfucking

800
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: neck door OJ.

801
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 2: Juicers, you can play football and baseball. I don't even

802
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 2: remember Oj, No, that's before our time, But that was

803
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: the shoes he had. It wasn't even I think it

804
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: was like an independent chew. I don't think it was

805
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: even like Nike or Reebok or Pony or anything like that.

806
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: Just juicers.

807
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: I think it was just the juicers.

808
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,959
Speaker 1: We're calling upon you because we have we have new merch.

809
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,720
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810
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Speaker 1: and it's it's fucking great.

811
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: We love it so much. Just sleek, it's sexy.

812
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: Come on, you want to tell them what we have?

813
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have three different types of hats, which is

814
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: really fun. We have a two tone hat Alien Dad hat,

815
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 2: the traditional logo in black and khaki. Then we have

816
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: the enamel pin with an alien who has a coofie

817
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: on it since my mama told me. And then we

818
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: have t shirts that say proud little Mama, which is

819
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: who you are.

820
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can buy the merch now, go to my

821
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: mama told me dot merch table dot com. It's a

822
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: brand new name, but it's the same old merch and

823
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: we would love for you to get some if you

824
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: haven't got it already, and we want you to have

825
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: all the sweet stuff, so get it.

826
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 2: Hey man, I tried to click on that oj juicter

827
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: and my whole shit collapse. Whoa, my inn, it's just closed.

828
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: Wow, even from heaven, my man, it's like chill out.

829
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 2: That's where do you think he's at?

830
00:47:49,760 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: M No, no, no, I think O Jay is somewhere

831
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: else that I don't know what I where I think

832
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: he is And I don't think that's it's important, but no,

833
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: it's not. I don't think he'll have an eternity of bliss.

834
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: I'd say that was did you see that online? It

835
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: was rest, It was trending rest in hell.

836
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

837
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: I don't love that stuff. I mean, because here's the thing.

838
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: That doesn't happen when like kissing your eyes, you know

839
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, people don't go like there is

840
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: an aspect to the hatred that is truly a black

841
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: man murder and a white woman. Right. Yeah.

842
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: I think in general too, I just don't love when

843
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: we like fucking celebrate a dead person. It feels and

844
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: I know that feels maybe like I'm trying to like

845
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: be a weird PC. Hey, that's not nice whatever, but

846
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: it's it's honestly more like, you know what bugs me

847
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: about it is like, uh, dying kind of feels like

848
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: a type of victory that we're being losers about when

849
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: we celebrated. Do you know what I mean? Like, when

850
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: you die, you're not tracking what we're saying about you.

851
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: You're not getting to like you're not getting to them,

852
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. OJ's not gonna read the

853
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: tweets and be like, fuck, everybody's mad at me or

854
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: didn't like me. They're just gonna be like they're not

855
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: here no more.

856
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: It's performative to us.

857
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just us performing sort of like our almost

858
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: our most vile nature to each other. And it's like,

859
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, we kind of just gotta let

860
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: people die and move on, good or bad. It feels

861
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: odd to be like I miss you so much or

862
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: I fucking hated your guts the whole time. You just

863
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: kind of have to be like, well, that's finished.

864
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gone. I mean that is It's just it

865
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 2: is crazy and like I understand in my gut though

866
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 2: when I see that, it does feel racial, you know

867
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 2: what I mean, I don't think like I don't think that.

868
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 2: And that's the hard thing with the whole OJ thing

869
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: is like everything he did is like terrible, yeah, terrible,

870
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 2: but you feel like he's being it's it's incrementally worse

871
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: because of how he looks, even even with the even

872
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: with the beating the charge, you know what I mean.

873
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: That's the only reason you feel some sort of like

874
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: like I said in my gut, with the with the

875
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 2: like not guilty thing. As an adult, you come to

876
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 2: be like damn at least somebody got off, you.

877
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.

878
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: And it goes back to that, like it's almost like

879
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 2: it's odd because he's used to represent a system that

880
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: I don't feel like he necessarily wanted to be a

881
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 2: part of.

882
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: No, he Let's be clear, oj didn't like being black.

883
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: He didn't like having these associations, certainly not throughout the

884
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: bulk of his life and career. But and it's this

885
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: isn't a new thought, but it is sort of a

886
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: factual one. Is like, at the end of the day,

887
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 1: he did represent sort of an overcoming of a system

888
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: that is truly built against black and brown people objectively. Literally,

889
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: our police system is built on the idea of recapturing slaves.

890
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 1: It's not this isn't a just program that we've set

891
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: up in any way or fashion. And so oja sort

892
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 1: of like getting to overcome that was just a reflection

893
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: of everybody celebrating and overcoming more than even just a

894
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: celebration of like a black man and his blackness was like, nah, man,

895
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: we just fucking lose every time. So it's nice to

896
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: see it's ocean's eleven. It's nice to see somebody beat

897
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: the house and just walk away. From the ship.

898
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: And that's truly I guess the sad state of affairs

899
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 2: within all this is like to have that, to have

900
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,959
Speaker 2: that feel like a wind is such a dark representation

901
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 2: of everything, you know what I mean. And it does

902
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 2: feel like that to me, you know, you know, for

903
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: better or words, it does feel like that.

904
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: And if we want to take even a bigger step back,

905
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: I don't know that this case becomes this case if

906
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: OJ murders his first wife, you know what I mean,

907
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: if her, this black lady from fucking Oakland gets murdered

908
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 1: along with her black ass side piece.

909
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: Uh, it could have been a light skinned guy. They're

910
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 2: known for people's wife. Don't that's okay? Hey, I identify

911
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: black ass too. I don't know if that's okay with you,

912
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: but but that's what's in my heart. Oh welcome, were

913
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 2: watching football leader? No, no, no, we want.

914
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: But point being, I think, you know, the case becomes

915
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: the case because of sort of the racial implications inside

916
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: of so much of it. OJ becomes the polarizing figure

917
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: because of the racial implications. You can't have the conversation

918
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: without having the conversation about OJ's race. Even at the

919
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: points when OJ wasn't ready to acknowledge his race inside

920
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: of it. So it's unfortunate. I wish that like this

921
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: could just be one of those classic funny murder trials

922
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: that have nothing to.

923
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: Do with true crime, nothing to do with race.

924
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: It's just it's just a man doing a bad thing

925
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: to a couple people, and we move on with our lives.

926
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I do think ultimately that is

927
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: the difficulty of this whole thing is that systemically what's

928
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: a win for the bigger picture is not always because

929
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 2: in no way is just a win. I don't want

930
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: to I know we've been laughing, but this is like

931
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: a terrible thing that happened. It's a terrible thing that happened.

932
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: And it's also no I'll keep laughing whatever. It was

933
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: a terrible things screwing right now. Can't even see his

934
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 2: eyes reddish, Hugh is, his face rushers with blood. He's

935
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: so happy.

936
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: But we cherished the moments we did get with Ojay.

937
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: We hate to see our friend pass, but we cherished

938
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: the time we spent with him because he contributed so

939
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: fucking much to to just the last.

940
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really wanted this to be funnier than it was.

941
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that it wasn't.

942
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: Did you think it was gonna be funnier. I thought so.

943
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: I thought we'd just be silly about it, And instead

944
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: it felt like we were being responsible the whole time.

945
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: And and I'm sorry that happened.

946
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, y'all. It's like we need to be more

947
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 2: flipping about murder. And listen, Lacey and I we're you

948
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 2: know I'm being worse guys.

949
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, certainly, I'm I'm working on it. I think

950
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: Bory ebbs and flows on his commitment to to coming

951
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: to the to the devil's side.

952
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: I don't even know if that's a compliment or not.

953
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that it is either. I'm I'd like

954
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: for you to join me. I'd like for you to

955
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: nut up and join me. And instead every week you

956
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: keep telling me how you've joined a church.

957
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 2: That's never happened. First of all, relax.

958
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: Say, brother, have you heard the good word? Come on,

959
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: what are you talking?

960
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes somebody buys one bike, gets in a relationship, and

961
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he can't be a bad guy anymore. Yeah,

962
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 2: I don't like that. Look at me.

963
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,919
Speaker 1: I keep expanding my family and digging further into the dirt.

964
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: That feels like the way you're supposed.

965
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: To do it. That's what that that's what that turbutes

966
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 2: clearly honous with dying.

967
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, we miss you, Juice, and we hope wherever

968
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: you are, which unfortunately is not.

969
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 2: Heaven, could understand that. We hope.

970
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: We hope. If nothing else, y'all take care, you know,

971
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: and by y'all we mean you. You want to tell

972
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: the people where they can find you and what cool

973
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: shit you have going on?

974
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't you come to a comedy show after

975
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 2: come see me too, stand up comge my special. I'm

976
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 2: very funny. No OJ jokes, no not, I've never had

977
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: I've never got I've never had Joe. I got to

978
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 2: know Jjo. Really yeah, I got one. I just wrote.

979
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: Actually not pre his death, you were just thinking about

980
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 1: him anyways. No, literally, me and my wife listened to

981
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: the book on tape together and.

982
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 2: I just got that's sweet. You guys like sit and

983
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: listen to it like in the kitchen.

984
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: Well the bit was that we did it to save

985
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: our marriage. Whoa you know, like you're sitting with your

986
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: girl and it it gets like quiet, but like quiet

987
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: in a way that like that too quiet, that like

988
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: if somebody doesn't talk, soon one of us is gonna

989
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: start cheating on the other person.

990
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: No, that's not I'm not there.

991
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: Oh you'll get there. Take your time, young man, you'll

992
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: find yourself there.

993
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 2: No mood to get to where you are, you know.

994
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, that's sometimes you gotta feel that quiet and

995
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: it turns out if I did it, it's a pretty

996
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: good feel.

997
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 2: All right. Well, I'm feeling my special May eighteenth and

998
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Speaker 2: Dude ighty K Studios in Denver, Colorado. If you watch

999
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Speaker 2: my Instagram, the link will go up. It's a really

1000
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1001
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Speaker 2: We're gonna do three four shows, so if you want

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1003
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 2: have the link up. Come out support. I would really

1004
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 2: love to see you. Thanks to and thanks of all

1005
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 2: the little mama's I've been running out to in the wild.

1006
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: Weirdly enough, some dude on the street after GETT nice

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1008
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Speaker 2: that lady in Voisey, nice lady you in wavy Little Mamas? Okay, yeah,

1009
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: Well the one was a man, the other one was

1010
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 2: a woman. No, they both had waves. I love a

1011
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: woman with waves. I do too.

1012
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: As always, you can follow me at Langston Kerrman. I'm

1013
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: not out on the road anytime soon, but if you

1014
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Speaker 1: want to see something, I've been working on a new

1015
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1016
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,320
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1017
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,520
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00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,960
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1019
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Speaker 1: UH and I'm really excited to for you all to

1020
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,360
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1022
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1023
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1024
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Speaker 1: Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson that has nothing to

1025
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1032
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1034
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1035
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1036
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1037
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