Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why why? Oh? And
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yes, goodness ding
Speaker 1: Dong Lost cultures does calling what a sad day for
Speaker 1: many reasons. Let's dig into yours. Are you also having
Speaker 1: a sad day? Well, I'm having a sad day. I'm
Speaker 1: having like a little sad squall, like a little mini storm,
Speaker 1: you know. But it's okay. I guarantee that yours is
Speaker 1: probably a bigger deal because not really not really. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I'll say mine and then you say yours first, and
Speaker 1: then we can each feel bad about feeling bad. Yeah, comparatively. So,
Speaker 1: I was voted off of Survivor Underscore Quarantine just a
Speaker 1: short while ago. I'm so sorry, and um, it's okay,
Speaker 1: it's okay. Um, let's just say it was a great
Speaker 1: personal exercise to step into my favorite game of Survivor.
Speaker 1: You're you're giving us the exit interview right now, in
Speaker 1: the full exit interview, I mean essentially, like this really
Speaker 1: just happened, like a blood is still very much oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, wet, wet and all over blood. Um, let's
Speaker 1: say my my carcasses not dry in the game of Survivor.
Speaker 1: Although I am on the jury. Yes, you first member
Speaker 1: of the jury. I'm the first member of the jury.
Speaker 1: Was the I got voted out in the merge and
Speaker 1: I should just let everyone know that doesn't know. This
Speaker 1: is an online version of Survivor called Survivor Underscore Quarantine
Speaker 1: that I entered because I was asked to do so.
Speaker 1: I definitely mixed things up, definitely stirred things up. Let's
Speaker 1: just say I was polarizing villain type like coach, like
Speaker 1: coaching here is versus villains. Wow, good for you, Bone
Speaker 1: that you're finally just at the place where you can
Speaker 1: throw out these characters names, just toss them off. You
Speaker 1: can just toss him off. And I don't know, I
Speaker 1: feel like, um, you know, I believe it was actually
Speaker 1: Beyonce that said, you know you that bitch when you
Speaker 1: cause all this conversation. It's actually rule a culture number
Speaker 1: twenty two. You know you that bitch when you cause
Speaker 1: all this conversation. And I think I caused a lot
Speaker 1: of conversation too early, made myself a big old get
Speaker 1: and got voted out. And now some of the girls
Speaker 1: are upset in the comments of the Instagram that I've
Speaker 1: been voted out because I'm now finding out I was
Speaker 1: a fan favorite, and you know, people are there definitely
Speaker 1: this is back and forth in the comments section about me,
Speaker 1: which really is all you ever, all you want? I mean,
Speaker 1: you're yeah, you're okay. So in this case, you're more
Speaker 1: of like a Russell then maybe not even Russell. I
Speaker 1: don't think that Russell is a big statement. Well, Russell
Speaker 1: is a huge statement, and you say a lot of
Speaker 1: things when you call me Russell. Um but and I
Speaker 1: think that you should take that back immediately and take
Speaker 1: it back. I was polarizing. I think I was a
Speaker 1: polarizing villain in the way that let's say, maybe even
Speaker 1: parvity is. I was gonna ask what was your strategy
Speaker 1: going in? And I had a feeling it would be
Speaker 1: very parvity esque. See, I couldn't really engage with anyone
Speaker 1: in real life, so I couldn't like, you know, really
Speaker 1: be everything that is part of the next to someone
Speaker 1: under the shelter. There's no there's no thinking letting all
Speaker 1: the boys think that that they can come to this yard,
Speaker 1: but really I'm in the yard with the girls. There
Speaker 1: was none of that. It was all like it was
Speaker 1: very the circle. Actually, like playing Survivor online really kind
Speaker 1: of you were up to your own devices in terms
Speaker 1: of your online avatar. And I guess that my online
Speaker 1: avatar just ain't that trustworthy because I got the boot
Speaker 1: right when they all could have a clear shot at me.
Speaker 1: Darn And can I say something, This is a personal
Speaker 1: loss for me too, because you had picked me to
Speaker 1: be your loved one and the loved one challenge. You
Speaker 1: were gonna come on. You were going to come on,
Speaker 1: and you were going to be my friends and family,
Speaker 1: and it was going to be I think a moment
Speaker 1: for a survivor underscore quarantine that they will not not
Speaker 1: get to have. That's okay, That's okay. Now that's actually
Speaker 1: why my day hasn't been so great because my life
Speaker 1: ended on this virtual, fake version of a reality show.
Speaker 1: But what what's going on with you? Oh? Nothing? I
Speaker 1: just um, I you know, I just I just have
Speaker 1: complicated feelings about this season ending, but of of of SNL,
Speaker 1: which is why I don't have to get into. But
Speaker 1: the thing that compounded it was I started finally pulled
Speaker 1: the trigger started normal people on Hulu, and man, I
Speaker 1: mean I was. I was resisting it for a while
Speaker 1: because the book really flayed my ass and started it
Speaker 1: and I'm like only three episodes in and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I wanna I want to be in love. And I'm
Speaker 1: just like I'm just like very like westful and melancholic,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, oh, man, like, look at this
Speaker 1: this is Isn't this so beautiful? I totally get it.
Speaker 1: I totally get it. There's nothing like a well crafted
Speaker 1: sort of romantic television show to make you feel the
Speaker 1: feels you gotta. I think you should start with the
Speaker 1: show because I think I think student and I try
Speaker 1: to talk you into reading the book last year and
Speaker 1: you have interest, I think you would enjoy the show
Speaker 1: a lot. It's very quick to get through twenty five
Speaker 1: minute episodes, twelve episodes. You're really enjoying it in the
Speaker 1: way that it's it's affecting you, it's affecting me, and
Speaker 1: it's like and I mean, there's a lot to be said.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of um chatter online about how like
Speaker 1: grounded the sex scenes are and it's a lot of
Speaker 1: sex scenes no gay but um but I don't like that.
Speaker 1: But know what it's it's it's really you know, the
Speaker 1: heterosex is good and when it makes the homo's horny.
Speaker 1: And that's actually really culture number nine, you know, is
Speaker 1: good when I'm making the most horny. Can I tell
Speaker 1: you something that actually shook me before I got voted
Speaker 1: out of srivor quarantine. Actually something else happened today that
Speaker 1: really shook me. Oh my god. So I actually I did.
Speaker 1: I I took to What I did was I took
Speaker 1: to porn just get out some some anxiety before for
Speaker 1: everything was going to go down. Someone I thought was
Speaker 1: a strictly heterosexual porn star I actually saw enthusiastically performed
Speaker 1: a gay sex scene. Now I can't if I were
Speaker 1: to look at a porn star like, I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I've never seen a heteropornce a male porn star in
Speaker 1: my life. Who was he? How did you know who
Speaker 1: he was before? Well, here's the thing, Bowen, I actually
Speaker 1: something about me that I've just customer. Watch straight porn.
Speaker 1: It's very kids are all right, it's you you watch
Speaker 1: the other side. I enjoy straight porn, Yeah I do.
Speaker 1: I like it. I think it's wonderful. It gets me
Speaker 1: off in a certain way. I I think I just
Speaker 1: there's something about the enthusiasm that is a female porn
Speaker 1: star just sort of when this happens. I was given
Speaker 1: the note that I'm peeking in terms of audio, but
Speaker 1: I apologize. I apologize to um engineer Doug because I'm
Speaker 1: going to do this. I like when sort of this
Speaker 1: is the sound that gets made by a female porn star,
Speaker 1: like I love like yeah, and I sort of I
Speaker 1: sort of want that because I know the pleasure is
Speaker 1: so insane, or at least the performed pleasure is so
Speaker 1: insane that you really don't get from gay porn. No
Speaker 1: gay man will ever lay pipe down enough for you
Speaker 1: to sound like a full R two D two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like R two D two in the middle of thank You,
Speaker 1: That's what it is. It's beaker from the Muppets. It's
Speaker 1: are two D too in Jeopardy. It's that sound that
Speaker 1: you kind of get when you see a female porn star,
Speaker 1: for lack of better words, spinning like a top on
Speaker 1: the dicks of these male porn stars. And there was
Speaker 1: this one guy who was so hot bone. And also
Speaker 1: it provided comedy because comedy, it provided comedy, and so
Speaker 1: often the heterosexual porns that I watched do provide comedy
Speaker 1: because there are storylines, and I love to watch these
Speaker 1: The women act like, you can come into my nursery
Speaker 1: school because all the kids. All the kids aren't here
Speaker 1: because it's Saturday. And if you come in, shut the
Speaker 1: jar behind you because you don't know if kids will
Speaker 1: come in on a Saturday. Like these really crazy narratives
Speaker 1: that like just lead to fucking where I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: fascinated by the narrative, but also I want the ross
Speaker 1: X And this provided both because it wasn't a narrative,
Speaker 1: but the situation was it's the specific channel that I
Speaker 1: watched on Foreign Hub called Hot Guys Fuck, So it's
Speaker 1: heterosexual sex, but the focus is on the man. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: And there's this guy that they have and you can
Speaker 1: tell they did some sort of deal with him or
Speaker 1: he was like, I'll do this, but you have to
Speaker 1: plug my insta throughout. So his name. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: plug his insta right here. His Insta handle is at
Speaker 1: d Underscore red seven. I think it's like that. But
Speaker 1: while he's fucking this girl, of course, who was a
Speaker 1: white girl with dreads. Of course, he is screaming at
Speaker 1: the camera follow me. I don't believe this. I will
Speaker 1: send you I'll find the like and send you like
Speaker 1: and so this guy to me, I was laughing while
Speaker 1: I was jerking. I don't believe any I was laughing
Speaker 1: my ass off, l a oh while this is happening,
Speaker 1: And it was also laughing and Wacken laughing in Wackon
Speaker 1: front Runner from the title of Up Laughing in Wackon.
Speaker 1: I was enjoying myself so and then I literally keep
Speaker 1: going back to the video because the guy is so hot,
Speaker 1: and also I think it's so funny when he's like
Speaker 1: screaming at the camera to follow him, and then his
Speaker 1: Insta handle will pop up on the bottom and you better,
Speaker 1: you better believe I smashed the following button. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: You have to imagine my thrill when I saw him
Speaker 1: this morning enthusiastically eating ass and fucking a man. Great, lovely.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he hasn't only fans where you can get
Speaker 1: like more like you know, lo fi contente And are
Speaker 1: you subscribing to any only fans? Are I'm i'm i'm
Speaker 1: I have a little rotation going. It's great. Do you
Speaker 1: want to raise anyone up and sort of like signal
Speaker 1: boost anyone? Sure? I mean, speaking of speaking of bisexual people,
Speaker 1: are are do you know? Do you know Remy rem
Speaker 1: he was on are Either One and he's like he's
Speaker 1: like he's friends with thy Sunderland. He's at all of
Speaker 1: ties events. He's lovely. You follow his only events. He
Speaker 1: because he just started when you know, post post covid,
Speaker 1: because he's like, you know, like nightlife people basically like
Speaker 1: are out of work. So this is my way of
Speaker 1: just like doing and he like has it pretty even
Speaker 1: split of like, um, you know all archival stuff obviously,
Speaker 1: but like just footage of him just with with this
Speaker 1: woman and sis men and it's pretty. It's great. It's
Speaker 1: like really like expanded my horizons. It is this too
Speaker 1: personal to tell, not at all. I mean we're here,
Speaker 1: but it's funny to like see like you know, like
Speaker 1: a friend, like something, not a friend, but like something.
Speaker 1: I mean Remy's a friend, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like a basically acquaintance ship lovely person. But I mean, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm watching him have sex. We both know Tine Hanson
Speaker 1: and I hate I've been a fan of that young
Speaker 1: man for a very long time and continue to be
Speaker 1: a fan, continue to be a fan. So it's interesting, Um,
Speaker 1: you know who else has an only fans who I haven't.
Speaker 1: I haven't paid for it yet, but they're they're providing
Speaker 1: us with a ton of content on their Twitter. You
Speaker 1: know who I'm gonna say, I'm talking about the Vixen, Oh,
Speaker 1: the vix I didn't know the Vixen had an only fans.
Speaker 1: Vixen has an only fans and it's wonderful, wonderful content.
Speaker 1: A little cutie, not little big cutie. Um things, huge cock,
Speaker 1: couple of things. Um gosh. I was writing. I was
Speaker 1: writing something with Julio the other week and like, I
Speaker 1: wanted to drop an only fans reference, but then he
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think people the general public knows
Speaker 1: enough about only fans. And then wouldn't you know, Savage
Speaker 1: re mix drops Beyonce herself mentions it in her verse,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, well now it's like now it's
Speaker 1: like Zeitgeist, truly, like mainstream. Everyone knows when an only
Speaker 1: fan say is if he herself is like referencing it.
Speaker 1: So I love that. So we've really moved forward in
Speaker 1: the culture during this fucking nightmare. But then also, if
Speaker 1: you love hetero sex and a story, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is that's an normal people, You're gonna love it. And god,
Speaker 1: you you really have to Okay, here's here's the deal.
Speaker 1: Second episode, Um, not a spoiler. They consummate their you
Speaker 1: know attraction the first time they have sex with each other.
Speaker 1: It's episodes of twenty four minutes long. The sex scene
Speaker 1: is at nine the first nine minutes of the second episode.
Speaker 1: It like takes like it feels so lived in and
Speaker 1: it feels so and like there's this article and Vulture
Speaker 1: about it about how like the movement coach they had
Speaker 1: to work with the movement coach who was like an
Speaker 1: intimate like they hired a move like an intimacy coordinator
Speaker 1: to like coach. These two actors Palm Mescal and Daisy Um,
Speaker 1: oh god, Daisy Daisy Ridley. No, she's They're both fantastic,
Speaker 1: but like they like had to like basically do like
Speaker 1: et w ship like experimental theater way and stuff like
Speaker 1: rolling around on the like movement stuff. And then they
Speaker 1: like you can tell like it's so like real. I
Speaker 1: love it. It's why like you would really love it
Speaker 1: and and and the readers would love it. I'm sure
Speaker 1: I'll be into it and all the readers are so
Speaker 1: because I'm telling you something, there is something to what
Speaker 1: you're saying about like I am much more turned Dawn. Well,
Speaker 1: it's like it's just it's like one side of one
Speaker 1: side of the other. It's like I either want amateur
Speaker 1: stuff or I want like intense, like broad fantasy, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like don't exist anywhere in the
Speaker 1: middle unless it's going to be this channel hat guy,
Speaker 1: because totally even Sewan Cody is like a little too
Speaker 1: in between. It's trying to like it's it's still like
Speaker 1: has like the Veneer of gayer Pay, which is like
Speaker 1: outdated at this point. I can't really do gayer Pay.
Speaker 1: I I need I needed to be like gays very
Speaker 1: two thousand sex very two thous Yeah, I just I'm
Speaker 1: not interested in Like this is so funny for me
Speaker 1: to say, like one of the hosts and creators of
Speaker 1: game show, but like I'm not actually interested in like
Speaker 1: straight men trying and I like, I genuinely don't care
Speaker 1: about that. For me, it's like either let's have comically
Speaker 1: fake passion and let's do let's do porn, or I
Speaker 1: want this sounds weird, but like I wanted to seem
Speaker 1: like this is really what you do, and I I
Speaker 1: almost feel like crazy for watching it because it's you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I love amateur porn. When
Speaker 1: you see them disengage and like switch positions like okay,
Speaker 1: throw this pillar under your back, It's like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is like this is real, the real thing. It's cinema
Speaker 1: very tae. Yeah, And I feel like that is I
Speaker 1: think sort of connected to what you're saying with this show. Um,
Speaker 1: normal people. Um. That's why. Another one of the reasons
Speaker 1: why I love Girls so much is because it kind
Speaker 1: of showed regular sex in a way that to me
Speaker 1: was like hotter than watching whatever sex they're gonna pretend
Speaker 1: happens on like Grey's Anatomy, where you could feasibly like
Speaker 1: just after a thirteen hour ship hop in the on
Speaker 1: call room and have you know, fine sex, like you
Speaker 1: wouldn't smell like an ass and you're you know, or
Speaker 1: their hair looks at me. Remember like there was there's
Speaker 1: there's one sex team between Annie and Max Steamings three
Speaker 1: where they were sucking and like it was it was
Speaker 1: a good it was like a well done sex scene.
Speaker 1: But like Addison's hair was like fucking styled down. Yeah, Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: she'd be smelling like ship her posy to be running away,
Speaker 1: like forget it, forget Okay, that's what I'm also watching
Speaker 1: Survivor too, like whenever there's like cuddling happening on Survivor
Speaker 1: or like anything's happening, where like I think something happened
Speaker 1: with Ozzie and Amanda, I'm like, Azzian Amanda would have
Speaker 1: to be insane. And we're gonna ask part of you
Speaker 1: about this when she comes on about sex on Survivor,
Speaker 1: because you'd have to be cool coo banana in front
Speaker 1: of those people, to fuck in front of those people,
Speaker 1: to freck in front of cameras. You remember the show
Speaker 1: was watched by mill Right and also not for nothing,
Speaker 1: but you probably smell like a damn yeah, there's like
Speaker 1: an old factory barrier of entry, like truly, Like it's
Speaker 1: like I would never be so horny that I could
Speaker 1: like forgive someone smells like if everyone smells like absolute
Speaker 1: dog do do, I'm like, I'm not gonna funk. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. But also another thing is if you don't
Speaker 1: have of like the right kind of toilet paper and
Speaker 1: the right kind of like sort of like the like
Speaker 1: hygiene material, sex is actually not a good idea health wise,
Speaker 1: you know, what I mean, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: right here, I'm saying. For heteros, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's what this is why their sex is more legitimate.
Speaker 1: Just kidding, Um, they like like the women like naturally
Speaker 1: lubricate and like stuff. You know, it's like, we for
Speaker 1: forget it if it's two gays having sex on Survivor?
Speaker 1: Could you imagine? I think that Honestly, that's another reason
Speaker 1: why I want to go on. It's because I want
Speaker 1: to be the first. I want to have I want
Speaker 1: to be the first first gay to have sex. I
Speaker 1: want to be the first person not only to have sex,
Speaker 1: but have filthy gay illegitimate sex on Survivor. Illegitimate. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: because remember, hetero sexual sex is legitimate. Sex sex is not.
Speaker 1: We are kidding everyone, We're so kidding. Okay, let's okay.
Speaker 1: Should we should we pivot a survivor or? We've been
Speaker 1: asked specifically to address one topic that is not survivor.
Speaker 1: Do you know what? Do you know what that is?
Speaker 1: Do you remember what that is? You'll have to remind me.
Speaker 1: I have plenty to say about Survivor, but I want
Speaker 1: to do this first. I also have to say and
Speaker 1: the top right hand on my screen. I'm getting all
Speaker 1: these insta and text notifications that everyone is very upset
Speaker 1: about me being voted off of Survivor Quarantine and my,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey is going to be about
Speaker 1: a well known figure in comedy who was a part
Speaker 1: of my elimination. Oh so I know who. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've talked about her, We've actually lifted her up on
Speaker 1: this podcast, and for her to treat me this way
Speaker 1: is she deserves a public reckoning. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: don't think when was the last time we burned a
Speaker 1: bridge like this? I can't remember. Let's just say that, Um,
Speaker 1: someone has come for me and I'll be coming for them.
Speaker 1: And I actually this is an open invitation for that
Speaker 1: person to come on this very podcast and we can
Speaker 1: actually let her know what's what and she can look
Speaker 1: at me and my face over zoom but for a
Speaker 1: real outside of the game, and she can explain to
Speaker 1: me what her damn reasoning was. But that's going to
Speaker 1: be after my I don't think, so Honey on this
Speaker 1: episode later. Okay, so you you were just you were
Speaker 1: getting into some Sandard Diaz twine like parlance there. I mean,
Speaker 1: the way that you're fired up at the way that's
Speaker 1: Andrews gets fired up, high bowing it, says Sandra from Survivor.
Speaker 1: I heard that you're a huge fan of the show,
Speaker 1: and you know, Queen stays queen. We keep winning every
Speaker 1: time I go in, except the last two times didn't
Speaker 1: really go my way. It didn't really go my way.
Speaker 1: Your friend Matt loves you, he says he's been podcasting
Speaker 1: with you free for years now. That's really great. I'm
Speaker 1: you know, the Edge of Extinction was really hard, and
Speaker 1: you know, Survivors heating up winners at war. We definitely
Speaker 1: have a lot of winners still competing. Not me, though.
Speaker 1: I went on a vacation to you know, different parts
Speaker 1: of the world, which they are nice enough to let
Speaker 1: you do when you get voted off and you know
Speaker 1: you don't make it far enough. And I went to
Speaker 1: an amazing store where I bought a doll that was
Speaker 1: a little bit bigger than a you know, not a
Speaker 1: small doll, but not a big doll, where I had
Speaker 1: to check it on the flight back to you know
Speaker 1: where I live in America. So, oh, I hope, I
Speaker 1: hope you're taking some time to enjoy Survivors. This is
Speaker 1: the Queen's Day's Queen Sassy Sandra, your friend Matt loves
Speaker 1: you and audios Audios. By the way, everyone, what we're
Speaker 1: doing is we're doing Sandra dis Twine cameo memes. If
Speaker 1: you want the best cameo of your life, you gotta
Speaker 1: get Sandra ds Twine from Survivor to send you one
Speaker 1: because they are on point, they are long. They are
Speaker 1: also always advertisements for the CBS show Survivor. Parvety also
Speaker 1: does really good cameos. Oh I love Parvety does cameos
Speaker 1: in a way that makes me want to do cameos.
Speaker 1: Does that make any sense? I'm like, oh, this like
Speaker 1: she's making it look fun and easy. I did a
Speaker 1: ton of cameos Sady actually for Mother's Day. Oh that's sweet.
Speaker 1: It's good easy money for for those of us who
Speaker 1: aren't on UM huge NBC. Uh my god shows, I can,
Speaker 1: I can? I tell you. I was like, I want
Speaker 1: to do I want to do cameo Like when when
Speaker 1: COVID first hit, I was like when when Quarantine was
Speaker 1: first topping, was like, I thought you were going to start.
Speaker 1: I wanted to start, but then it was to start
Speaker 1: so I can raise money for for for stuff. But
Speaker 1: I was like, whatever, I sound so well, it's not
Speaker 1: never too late, and I do I do, I do
Speaker 1: PRPR shot it down of course. Oh you're not allowed
Speaker 1: to do it. Parts are so fun. Parts are great.
Speaker 1: Parts are great. I don't know if I can do
Speaker 1: an impression, because here's my impression of parvs Cancus. Actually ready, yeah, Hamers,
Speaker 1: it's a parody. And um, I heard that you're having
Speaker 1: a really kind of tough day in quarantine, and I
Speaker 1: think that what you should think of his mindfulness. And
Speaker 1: this is a mantra that I do sometimes to focus myself.
Speaker 1: I hear my baby crying, so I have to do
Speaker 1: it really fast. Um it's this. And are you breathing
Speaker 1: in through your nose and out of your mouth? Than
Speaker 1: you're doing it right. Okay, thanks for watching from every
Speaker 1: and keeping it on the air all these years. Okay,
Speaker 1: that was really good. Can that was fine? That was
Speaker 1: that was God Connect tickets tab Yeah, you can do
Speaker 1: it on okay, Hamer, is that it's your friend party
Speaker 1: from Survivor? So good? This is so good. I heard
Speaker 1: that you're a little bit of a Survivor head. Um, well,
Speaker 1: maybe you can get up to some fun um this quarantine,
Speaker 1: you know, sneak something in there um anyway, Mary and
Speaker 1: Williamson always says, is it necessary? Is it kind? Is
Speaker 1: it important? Yes? Okay, you've been watching her YouTube videos too,
Speaker 1: all right, So now now now that I now that
Speaker 1: there's no more of Poverty left to watch, have you
Speaker 1: done the same thing I've done? Where I've now fallen
Speaker 1: into content. I fall into her content. She gives great,
Speaker 1: great speeches, she's she's a live coach, as we know.
Speaker 1: I've also been watching a lot of Sandrids Twine interviews
Speaker 1: as well. Those are my two girls. I mean, my
Speaker 1: girls are obviously Sandra and Parverty because I'm not a
Speaker 1: true idiot, like obviously I'm with it and with the times.
Speaker 1: And I know that if you're going to be following people,
Speaker 1: you have to be following Sandrads Twine and Poverty. Because
Speaker 1: with Sandra you always get him real, honest to godship talk.
Speaker 1: She is truly the realist one. I hate Russell. I
Speaker 1: I hate Russell and he knows I hate him, and
Speaker 1: I think he's bad. He's a bad person, and I
Speaker 1: think you should never be allowed on the show again.
Speaker 1: Queen stays Queen and his wife hates him. She's being
Speaker 1: real nice to him now, but I think that's a facade.
Speaker 1: His wife hates him. I actually know his wife hates him,
Speaker 1: and it's not it's not, it's not. It's not difficult
Speaker 1: to see. And how could you like him? He's bad?
Speaker 1: And she's saying I love that she's saying this, like
Speaker 1: while he's next her. That's yes, and it's amazing. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: She's literally an iconic person in film and television and
Speaker 1: very happy that we have her. And then the other
Speaker 1: thing is with Parvety I now I follow her on Instagram. Yes,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate her content there. I did actually a
Speaker 1: whole breathing exercise with Partment where it was amazing and
Speaker 1: really worked. And she so she is an We're gonna
Speaker 1: have her on the show next week and she's gonna
Speaker 1: talk about her children's book on the otter and so
Speaker 1: it's basically it's like teaching kids and young people and
Speaker 1: like encouraging mothers to mindfulness and also using these yoga
Speaker 1: breathing techniques. Because you know the reason she was able
Speaker 1: to raise her hand up for six hours in that challenge,
Speaker 1: which is unbelievable, but she she essentially says on her
Speaker 1: YouTube channel that she left her body and so I
Speaker 1: really want to like talk to her about this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's beautiful. I mean, like the like the extreme
Speaker 1: examples are like, um, some like some Buddhist kid, um
Speaker 1: sitting in one place for like two months, no eating,
Speaker 1: no drinking. I should also say she's now my phone
Speaker 1: background Wow, part circa circa here, circa Fans versus favorite,
Speaker 1: circa Micronesia. This is I believe a picture of her
Speaker 1: from it looks like heroes versus villains. Actually this is
Speaker 1: like a very lived in, knowing poverty moment. I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say, what you get with her is sort
Speaker 1: of like sort of like ANSD yoga techniques, but also
Speaker 1: like very good entry level stuff. And she has amazing
Speaker 1: videos on her YouTube channel, which I wish she'd do
Speaker 1: more of it, which are life coaching type things. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then with Sandra, it's just pure ship talk like
Speaker 1: that bitch on the street you know, did you did you?
Speaker 1: Did you watch them little phone interview? They did both
Speaker 1: of them. Um where it was it was it was
Speaker 1: before Winners at War. No, yeah, it was before winners
Speaker 1: had been announced. And like someone was they were on
Speaker 1: the phone together with the interviewer. The interviewers like Parverty
Speaker 1: like what what would make you want to compete again
Speaker 1: and Survivor? And then it's just Parverty and Sandra like
Speaker 1: screaming at each other over the phone, and Party is like, well,
Speaker 1: Sandra keeps saying that she's the queen, but like, you know,
Speaker 1: like blah blah, it's amazing. And then then Sandra's real
Speaker 1: like queen stays queen blah blah blah. It's so well.
Speaker 1: My favorite thing ever that ever happened on Survivor is
Speaker 1: spoiler alert. After you find out Sandra ds Twine wins
Speaker 1: heroes versus villains, She's she's at the reunion wearing a
Speaker 1: little crown, and Jeff Probes goes, so, Sam Drew, what
Speaker 1: does this mean? And Sandra just goes, it means I'm
Speaker 1: the queen. And that's a little tiara, a little tiara,
Speaker 1: a tiny little tiara, and she says, it means I'm
Speaker 1: the queen. And so that's where Queen's Day's Queen was
Speaker 1: born from, and she presides over all of Survivors to
Speaker 1: this day. But I want to ask you because while
Speaker 1: we've been off air, you've sort of really caught up
Speaker 1: with a whole bunch of survivor And what are your
Speaker 1: broad impressions now before we get into what everyone's been
Speaker 1: asking us to comment, Okay, yes this is perfect, um
Speaker 1: my broad my broad thoughts are it's it's not what
Speaker 1: I expected in terms of here's what I'll say. I
Speaker 1: so respect and admire and I'm so impressed by how
Speaker 1: it has maintained a tone. Does that make sense for
Speaker 1: these for twenty years, for forty seasons where it's like
Speaker 1: it's not about like it's not a reality show where
Speaker 1: it's trying to get like people to lose their temper
Speaker 1: or lose their ship and like no snipe at each other.
Speaker 1: It's like, so this goes without saying, but it's so
Speaker 1: like strategic, it's so like you really it's such a
Speaker 1: cerebral thing to watch as a viewer as as a
Speaker 1: way of keeping up with the chess pieces. And it
Speaker 1: really is this three D chess thing where like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like there's there's just a million different strategies
Speaker 1: you can approach it with, um, all of them probably
Speaker 1: equally viable. It's like, really, I'm just like so so
Speaker 1: so so so like amazed by how um like manifold
Speaker 1: and complex it is, like of a show it is,
Speaker 1: and how it's kept that going for so long and
Speaker 1: I love it. Well, it's really changed over time, like
Speaker 1: this is actually gonna be we've been fools this whole
Speaker 1: episode long, but to really kind of make a cultural
Speaker 1: analysis on this show. When it began, it really was
Speaker 1: about strangers learning how to survive together, and it was
Speaker 1: sort of about, you know, large narratives over the episodes
Speaker 1: would be did that person sneak in some beef journeys
Speaker 1: from outside of the show, Um, how are we going
Speaker 1: to get the fire started? Etcetera. And so over time
Speaker 1: it's sort of moved away from the survival aspect towards
Speaker 1: being a very very specific show about social gameplay and
Speaker 1: social strategy. But like it's a it's it's a show
Speaker 1: that's about how people behave under artificial or organic or
Speaker 1: you know whatever, Like under any kind of social structure
Speaker 1: where they feel like they're like backed into a corner
Speaker 1: in a social situation or in a physical situation where
Speaker 1: they feel like they have the upper hand. It's like
Speaker 1: watching people behave I mean, like people like you know,
Speaker 1: I mean the the the direct comparison that people make
Speaker 1: all the time is that it's very like Lord of
Speaker 1: the Flies in a way, but like it's it's um
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I will say, it's also fun to think
Speaker 1: about the ways in which like a game like this
Speaker 1: kind of somehow pushes like ideological things to the forefront,
Speaker 1: Like implicit bias among like white players is very apparent.
Speaker 1: I think I I sent you that article. Um So,
Speaker 1: that article was specifically looking at a season of the
Speaker 1: show Millennials Versus gen X, which um Zeke Smith was Smith,
Speaker 1: So that was his first season who we know from
Speaker 1: outside there being a character on the show, So that
Speaker 1: show was specifically or that season was specifically being looked
Speaker 1: at under that lens. And it really does show you
Speaker 1: how attitudes outside of the show do kind of creep in.
Speaker 1: And it's actually been interesting to watch the show over
Speaker 1: the past like four or five years, because it almost
Speaker 1: seems like there is an awareness of these things in
Speaker 1: the culture. And so because of the cultural awareness of
Speaker 1: these things like racial bias implicit and explicit, like um,
Speaker 1: you know, sexism like transported, yeah, exactly, like the me
Speaker 1: too mindfulness of me too was a thing in the
Speaker 1: last five six years, those things get thought about and
Speaker 1: manipulated in ways they did not ten twelve years ago. So,
Speaker 1: for example, you put a season like cook Islands, or
Speaker 1: as the fandom have called it, Race Wars, you put
Speaker 1: that on, now, I think you get a much uglier
Speaker 1: season than you would have. Right, you're right, And yet somehow,
Speaker 1: like a lot of the conversation around this is like, oh,
Speaker 1: well back then it was worse or whatever, But like
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just more inflamed now than it was,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's it's a different it's a different sensitivity
Speaker 1: now than it was back in two. Sorry, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: when do you know the ins and outs of what
Speaker 1: happened with the whole me Too scandal on the on
Speaker 1: the last sort of sort of not not not in
Speaker 1: every detail bit. So basically what happened was very very
Speaker 1: early on in the season, a contestant, Kelly, came forward
Speaker 1: and said that she was um uncomfortable with the way
Speaker 1: she was being touched by another, uh contestant, damn. And
Speaker 1: she confided in this two other women on her tribe,
Speaker 1: and she kind of said to producers as well, and
Speaker 1: producers broke the fourth wall and on the season you
Speaker 1: can see them checking in with her and saying, well,
Speaker 1: you know that if you're uncomfortable, you can tell us
Speaker 1: and we'll do something about it, and she gives a
Speaker 1: verbally s etcetera. However, in the narrative of the season,
Speaker 1: women that she told about this use it against her
Speaker 1: and she gets eliminated. After that happens, he actually is
Speaker 1: pulled from the game because he tried something with a
Speaker 1: crew member on the way back from a tribal council.
Speaker 1: But at that point this girl had already been eliminated,
Speaker 1: and a large narrative up to her elimination was these
Speaker 1: other women using against her her accusation. So it's very
Speaker 1: interesting because without the conversation in the mainstream, does this
Speaker 1: play out the way it would have or did and
Speaker 1: what are the differences there because it's not the first
Speaker 1: time this has happened on the show. And then you
Speaker 1: get into this argument around um, whether or not Survivor
Speaker 1: really is like a microcosm for society, like as it happens, UM.
Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, it's it's it's really, it's really
Speaker 1: it's really a lot to think about, you know. I
Speaker 1: think ultimately like that is why I love the show too.
Speaker 1: Is because while ugly things happen, weird things happen, you know,
Speaker 1: there's moments of triumph and despair. It is ultimately a
Speaker 1: tool to see, you know, this person acted this way.
Speaker 1: Let's examine that why you know? And you know something
Speaker 1: that's watching the show now and binging the show now,
Speaker 1: you see how much more difficult it is for a
Speaker 1: POC person to enter a situation like that because they
Speaker 1: have to negotiate behavior ten times more. Like someone like
Speaker 1: you don't haven't seen this season, I recommend that you
Speaker 1: watched the season Millennials versus gen X, But there is
Speaker 1: a fantastic contestant named Mikhaelo who's a young black woman
Speaker 1: and you kind of see her have to negotiate her
Speaker 1: behavior because the second she does something, she's immediately the
Speaker 1: angry black woman and is one out and you know, um,
Speaker 1: it's it's just very interesting to see different contestants grapple
Speaker 1: with their perceived self as opposed to their true self,
Speaker 1: and that that's one of the reasons why the show
Speaker 1: is so interesting and that adaptation over time has been
Speaker 1: so has been so interesting to watch. It's some gosh
Speaker 1: and like, I don't know if this specifically applies to
Speaker 1: Surree but like from what I from what people tell me,
Speaker 1: They're like, well, it does have a problem. It has
Speaker 1: had a historically problem with painting like a black person
Speaker 1: or a black woman specifically, it is like lazy, like
Speaker 1: and so like does this does that specifically? So the
Speaker 1: way that like you can apply that to someone like
Speaker 1: Surree Fields, one of the most amazing contestants players of
Speaker 1: the game. Her whole her whole art is that she
Speaker 1: was like she she was watching from her couch. Like
Speaker 1: people always bring up how she she was the woman
Speaker 1: on the couch and then she did it, and then
Speaker 1: she was scared of leaves, and now she can do
Speaker 1: all these physical challenges and she's like a force to
Speaker 1: be reckoned with, like I can you wait at against
Speaker 1: Like okay, but at the like it's still the absolute
Speaker 1: value that it's still she was lazy. She was perceived
Speaker 1: as lazy, right, and so we see what what is
Speaker 1: a lazy and unhelpful narrative, which is which is actually
Speaker 1: being used by the show to show her growth, But
Speaker 1: it's still began from something unhelpful totally and then I
Speaker 1: and racist, it's not it's not completely one to one
Speaker 1: but that was my whole thing with PG. I was like,
Speaker 1: she's she's a little too plotty, she's like a little
Speaker 1: too nefarious, and like I told her this myself, I
Speaker 1: was like I had because in my inst story where
Speaker 1: I talked about that someone center, I was like, I
Speaker 1: really didn't like her first, so I was like, I
Speaker 1: have to explain this to her because like I had
Speaker 1: to check my own implicit advice um on this in
Speaker 1: terms of this like racial self loathing, let's call it,
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I see an Asian person and Asian
Speaker 1: women on screen, She's like she's playing the game the
Speaker 1: way she should be playing it. But then my it
Speaker 1: immediately translates to me another Asian person even as or
Speaker 1: she's or she's like dragon lady, or she's like, you know,
Speaker 1: like a little too like devious, and I'm like, whoa
Speaker 1: that that kind of sucked me up. And then the
Speaker 1: arc beautifully turns into this thing where she like fucking
Speaker 1: stays in way longer than people are people expect her to,
Speaker 1: and really really endears herself to a lot of people,
Speaker 1: earned many fans, and like I said before, is voted
Speaker 1: back into another season by the fans. You know, It's
Speaker 1: interesting when you say that, because with the gay contestants,
Speaker 1: I immediately something inside me doesn't take them seriously. I'm
Speaker 1: like that that fool, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: and it's just in interesting because that is something that's
Speaker 1: coming from inside the house. Because because two of the winners,
Speaker 1: in fact, the star one maybe most iconic contestant who
Speaker 1: created the the alliance that was Richard Hatch and one
Speaker 1: of the winners again since then, Todd Herzog from China,
Speaker 1: an incredible plotter, an incredible social strategist. But the way
Speaker 1: that the show frames them and the way that I
Speaker 1: perceived them as someone with an implicit bias, even though
Speaker 1: I too am gay, is he's never gonna win. They
Speaker 1: call him like they're going through everyone's like um occupations
Speaker 1: in the very beginning, and it's like he's the flight attendant.
Speaker 1: He's the flight attendant, not only that gay Mormon flight attendant. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: they don't call Denise straight lunch lady, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like, it's it's just so interesting, like sexuality
Speaker 1: and race are qualifiers to these people but not everyone else.
Speaker 1: This sounds maybe kind of psychonic, but it's the way
Speaker 1: that I feel whenever I see people be like Bowen
Speaker 1: plays gay Asian characters only exclusively on S ANDL and
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, that's because you flatten the context completely
Speaker 1: to only really register those things about me. But I like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to like change that on screen. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like I can choose to address it or not
Speaker 1: address it. And also it's this book that I'm read
Speaker 1: that i'd finished, Minor Feelings, An Asian American Reckoning by
Speaker 1: Kathy Park Kong. She has this whole essay in the
Speaker 1: book where she started at the Iowa Writer's Workshop and
Speaker 1: face this frustration where she was like, they tell you
Speaker 1: to write what you know, so I feel like I
Speaker 1: have to write about Asian stuff. But if I were
Speaker 1: to say, write about nature, let's say, the feeling around
Speaker 1: that is everyone being like, well, why is this Asian
Speaker 1: girl writing about nature? Why isn't she writing about Asian stuff?
Speaker 1: I don't know it's but this is all to say that,
Speaker 1: like survivor is or shock test for this, like you
Speaker 1: you you you see what you want to see out
Speaker 1: of it. I think that you know it's you in
Speaker 1: nature to see something and want to know what it
Speaker 1: is to want to identify it to want to be
Speaker 1: able to figure something out, and so I think that
Speaker 1: is something with you on Saturday Night Live. It's like
Speaker 1: people see you on screen in this context and a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know what to do with it.
Speaker 1: So so what they do is they say, that's the
Speaker 1: gay Asian, that's what he does, and it's unfair, and
Speaker 1: it is. It's I love playing the gays. I love
Speaker 1: playing the Asians. I would say in terms of like
Speaker 1: if we're gonna split this up like distribution wise, like
Speaker 1: I played, I've played characters who were like the sketch
Speaker 1: doesn't like revolve around those identities either. But it's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's like people regis, Yeah, people will see that as
Speaker 1: oh he's gaying Asian. But I would hope that people
Speaker 1: would understand how insane it is to say about you
Speaker 1: he always plays Asians. I'm saying, right, right, it's not ny,
Speaker 1: but that's what we're saying. But this is where we're saying.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like, you know, it's like we we
Speaker 1: kind of just like very quickly as a way to
Speaker 1: manage expectations about people that other human beings, we just
Speaker 1: collapse them down to like certain things gay flight attendant?
Speaker 1: Did you watch um the So I'm about to binge
Speaker 1: all of Winners at War very quickly, even starting tonight.
Speaker 1: So have you started? Have you started? I? I started
Speaker 1: the first episode? Okay, So I'm also going to start
Speaker 1: the first episode. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. But
Speaker 1: we will we should, yes, we should say that, like
Speaker 1: you again again, there's a huge gap in sort of
Speaker 1: like fandom and understand we're just coming at this as
Speaker 1: full on newbies neophytes, and we love it and when
Speaker 1: we hope, because I'm getting a lot of people being like,
Speaker 1: oh god, Bowen's like Bowen has an opinion on a
Speaker 1: season that's like fifteen years old. I'm like, yeah, but like,
Speaker 1: we gotta start somewhere anyway, keep going. It's still a
Speaker 1: piece of art, and it's a piece of entertainment that
Speaker 1: is up for cultural critique. And I don't actually maybe
Speaker 1: you guys forgot what this podcast is, but it's but
Speaker 1: this is what the podcast is, and this is what
Speaker 1: we do, and this is what we like to do together.
Speaker 1: So we're just going to continue doing that. If that's
Speaker 1: okay with you, Okay, if that and I think it's
Speaker 1: okay with the vast majority of um. But I was
Speaker 1: going to ask you if you watch the special, the
Speaker 1: clip that I that I said, you did you see that?
Speaker 1: You'll by the way, Who's Daddy and King King King?
Speaker 1: Who won Cook Islands? Did you see so fucking hot?
Speaker 1: And like part of I think one of the most
Speaker 1: iconically hot scenes in history, which was him and Ozzy
Speaker 1: getting the mud off of their body in the bucket,
Speaker 1: that was truly cannon. And if you want something to
Speaker 1: absolutely um like you know, pushing pushing the mud off
Speaker 1: of their like washboard altums. Oh my god, you but
Speaker 1: did you see that? He acknowledged this? He said on
Speaker 1: his original season he felt the need represent his community
Speaker 1: and and you also think about the way he played
Speaker 1: the game very much numbers driven, very cerebral, maybe the
Speaker 1: most cerebral of all time. Respectable. He had to be
Speaker 1: respectable as an Asian man, right, And I think that
Speaker 1: that in this interview where he says, the first time
Speaker 1: I played, I felt I had to play a certain way.
Speaker 1: He did it successfully, but it makes you think, like
Speaker 1: I don't think he could have played a better game.
Speaker 1: But if he were to be quote unquote free of
Speaker 1: that thing, of I have to represent my community, if
Speaker 1: you will. What else would his game of looks like?
Speaker 1: What will it look like this time? You know? It's interesting,
Speaker 1: It's so interesting. It's kind of the reason why all
Speaker 1: of that tribe, the Puka tribe for that, the the
Speaker 1: initial Asian tribe on Cook Islands. Um kind of like
Speaker 1: railed on Cowboy a little bit so Cowboys this um
Speaker 1: Vietnamese a sort of older man on the tribe who
Speaker 1: like will like pull out, like will do like kind
Speaker 1: of hackneed Asian jokes or do the accent or they
Speaker 1: were they were not feeling it, and the rest of
Speaker 1: the tribal members were like, you gotta stop and like
Speaker 1: totally totally valid response reaction, right, but it's like for
Speaker 1: the first season that's pretensed upon race, like of course,
Speaker 1: especially Asian people are gonna be like, we gotta like
Speaker 1: come off okay because you because that Asian community would
Speaker 1: be the least represented by a wide margin media absolutely,
Speaker 1: and and even on Survivor absolutely, I mean definitely there
Speaker 1: had not been that many Asian contestants. I love that
Speaker 1: Yaman was the originator of the fake idol love it is.
Speaker 1: That's genius. I think that's one of the most genius
Speaker 1: moves in Survivor. Yes, especially when you can create one
Speaker 1: that looks real. Yes, I mean like and there's it's
Speaker 1: nothing better than watching someone present a fake idol as
Speaker 1: a tribal council and then Jeff being like, this is
Speaker 1: not a thing. Yeah, that's great and we should show
Speaker 1: it out. Queen Eliza from from Micronesia who played a
Speaker 1: fake idol that she goes okay, well, then I Assie
Speaker 1: has it, I mean amazing, But then she went on
Speaker 1: the jury and was iconic on the jury, potentially cultural
Speaker 1: canon Eliza's performance on the Micronesia jury, giving you every
Speaker 1: jaw dropped, every eyebrow raised, every like googly eye. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're very in it with Survivor. We're going to be
Speaker 1: watching all of winners at war and then Parverty is
Speaker 1: coming on next week and we will be discussing it
Speaker 1: with her. And then for everyone that hasn't been as
Speaker 1: into the Survivor discussion, don't worry. We will be moving
Speaker 1: forward in our cultural discourse. But this is a big
Speaker 1: moment for Survivor, and it's a big moment in both
Speaker 1: Bowen and I was quarantines. It's been like a thing
Speaker 1: we've enjoyed. So thank you for bearing with us if
Speaker 1: you're not necessarily a reality TV person. But we are
Speaker 1: loving it. We're loving it. We're loving it. Um. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're back, Matt. We're specifically asked to mention and to
Speaker 1: talk about one thing that's happened in the culture in
Speaker 1: the past, in the past week. I mean, it's only
Speaker 1: been a couple of days. Um, and there's a there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of other stuff I want to talk about. Um,
Speaker 1: we don't have to talk about it? Should we talk
Speaker 1: about the adult stuff? Now? That's that's your tricky Well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I think that we have to talk
Speaker 1: about it. But I think that, like I understand your
Speaker 1: hesitation and even bringing it up, and I actually think
Speaker 1: that it is a really it's tough to talk about
Speaker 1: because anytime a well known person reappears on the world
Speaker 1: stage and they look really different, you would say, oh
Speaker 1: that that there's a large difference there. This is where
Speaker 1: it's tricky. It is because you have to sort of
Speaker 1: as someone who's you're a fan, you have to change
Speaker 1: the way that you may have always responded to this,
Speaker 1: which is like with concern for her, which is with um,
Speaker 1: you know, judgment of her. Because something that I have
Speaker 1: been woken up to in the whole narrative on Adele's
Speaker 1: weight is when you, and especially when men, gay men,
Speaker 1: straight men, anyone who's looking through the male gaze, when
Speaker 1: you are discussing having an opinion on women's weight in
Speaker 1: the public eye, that is an attempt to control that
Speaker 1: woman's weight. That is an attempt to control the narrative
Speaker 1: around a woman's weight. And that is patriarchy. That is toxic.
Speaker 1: And so you want to have like a sort of
Speaker 1: reaction to the new Adele, you know by all means
Speaker 1: like she is the new Adele. This is what she
Speaker 1: looks like. Now, I think that we all can register
Speaker 1: that it's different. But when you come out and say
Speaker 1: she's did it looked like this? Or she should look
Speaker 1: like that, what you're doing, I think is attempting to
Speaker 1: control her body. Yes, not to tie it back to survivor.
Speaker 1: But the way we said survivor is a roar track test.
Speaker 1: It's not I'm not saying that this this this is
Speaker 1: journey with Adele is the same thing, but it's it
Speaker 1: will like be reflective service in some way for to
Speaker 1: draw out a very specific world view you have as
Speaker 1: someone who's like, well, her divorce is doing like this
Speaker 1: is her divorce and she's really dealing with it poorly.
Speaker 1: It must be exactly you're like, wait a minute, that's crazy,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's actually psychotic and it but it's a
Speaker 1: way to but it's it's also another sort of um
Speaker 1: variation on just collapsing context and arriving at this like
Speaker 1: wild narrative about like well she's you know, starving herself
Speaker 1: or she's like not doing this in a healthy way.
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's the only only thing you can
Speaker 1: say about this is that to be a woman is
Speaker 1: to be imprisoned. Like that's all it is. And I
Speaker 1: think that that is what's arriving out of this whole moment,
Speaker 1: is that it really doesn't matter who you are. If
Speaker 1: you're a woman, your appearance is going to be scrutinized,
Speaker 1: torn apart. She could not have won, honestly, the only
Speaker 1: winning here would be for her to never have been
Speaker 1: seen again. And is that what you want? I don't
Speaker 1: think that's what you want. I understand the reactions that
Speaker 1: everyone is having. But I do think that after everything
Speaker 1: we've been through as a culture over the past, you know,
Speaker 1: in a public way a few years, but for women
Speaker 1: hundreds thousands of years, we have to say at this
Speaker 1: point like, no, you know what, we're actually going to
Speaker 1: be better about this. Let's be better about this and
Speaker 1: not make her feel insane either way, because there's so
Speaker 1: many more interesting conversations to have, and it's it's it's
Speaker 1: obvious is that it ate up the whole narrative, the
Speaker 1: whole cultural narrative totally. But it's just like I do
Speaker 1: think we have to ask ourselves to be more responsible
Speaker 1: about the way, like, don't worry about the message that
Speaker 1: she's sending to to other women. Worry about why it's
Speaker 1: a message, right, you know what I mean, we carry
Speaker 1: the message from seeing it to the ears of let's say,
Speaker 1: young girls or other women. Don't reinforce something negative. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: at this point, it's like the damage has been done
Speaker 1: quote unquote, where it's like the reaction was so it
Speaker 1: was just so strong that like you're like, oh god,
Speaker 1: I guess like we're we haven't really progressed in anyway
Speaker 1: around like this. It's for some it reminds me of
Speaker 1: Rene's ll worker. Yes, it's not quite the same thing,
Speaker 1: and like that was specifically about like her face, um,
Speaker 1: and not about weight. But it's like it's it's about appearance.
Speaker 1: It's about a woman's physical appearance. It's taking her narrative
Speaker 1: from her and and that is wrong everyone, it's wrong
Speaker 1: to do. And you know what, you might even have
Speaker 1: something to say about, you know, the way we've talked
Speaker 1: about things on this podcast, but of course because guaranteed
Speaker 1: a yes, we have been wrong about the way we've
Speaker 1: spoken about people. And we are men, and we are
Speaker 1: fully we are we're we're executioners in the project of patriarchy,
Speaker 1: and we are also like we're man like like like
Speaker 1: that is like it's an implicit thing about us. We're
Speaker 1: like that that makes us bad, you know. And I
Speaker 1: would say that it is an opportunity for a growing
Speaker 1: moment for everyone to be able to say and I
Speaker 1: think I disagree that that like the damage has already
Speaker 1: been done because I think that one way we can
Speaker 1: be helpful right now in discussing it is by saying,
Speaker 1: let's change the way that historically we may have spoken
Speaker 1: about this, because we know what it does to women.
Speaker 1: We know that it makes women feel like ship you
Speaker 1: guys like it. We we can't do this. It's so
Speaker 1: much harder to be a woman or just female presenting
Speaker 1: or you know, let's not contribute to pain high readers,
Speaker 1: it's bowing. So in this half of the episode, Matt
Speaker 1: and I talked about the Allison Roman controversy. But we
Speaker 1: just wanted to disclaim that we recorded this the day
Speaker 1: before Alison Roman issued an apology via her Twitter and
Speaker 1: screenshots of her word processor of choice. So that is
Speaker 1: some background for you. Okay, enjoy, Okay. So this is
Speaker 1: the actual thing that people want us to address, and
Speaker 1: it is also I it is also about how femininity
Speaker 1: is a prison. I think so so people people really
Speaker 1: wanted us to talk about the Alison Roman snaffo, not snaffing.
Speaker 1: What would you call you why? I would call it
Speaker 1: a snaff oo? You're doing you're you're doing a long
Speaker 1: a sound. Okay, I would call it a snaff But
Speaker 1: but the fact of the matter is, um, this was
Speaker 1: something that was definitely a feud online and and I
Speaker 1: think it's another interesting conversation. Yes, it's very interesting the
Speaker 1: way you can boil it down is. You know, Allison
Speaker 1: Roman was essentially talking shit about Chrissy Tugan, saying that
Speaker 1: she was a sellout for having a product line and
Speaker 1: Marie Condo, let's not forget, and throwing in Marie Condo
Speaker 1: and being like, these women are sellouts and I don't
Speaker 1: aspire to be like them and the way that they've
Speaker 1: decided to roll out their business and business. And Alison
Speaker 1: Roman was then sort of dragged by Chrissy Teagan who said, Wow,
Speaker 1: this really hurts me as someone who really likes you
Speaker 1: and even signed on too ep a show you were doing,
Speaker 1: um and it really sucks that I'm being attacked by
Speaker 1: this person. I respect. It really ruined my day today,
Speaker 1: you know, it caused a whole fervor online. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's can we objectively said, I mean, she was
Speaker 1: just she was just talking ship. But it's like in
Speaker 1: a way that in a way that like probably seems
Speaker 1: casual or to her she's probably been there, she doesn't
Speaker 1: have like she was kind of priding herself on not
Speaker 1: having like like media manager or like people who were
Speaker 1: like told her what to say in in in these situations.
Speaker 1: Perhaps I don't know the full the full context of this,
Speaker 1: but like she basically was like, Wow, these women are
Speaker 1: sellouts and then caps off the interview by being like,
Speaker 1: I'm working with a company that makes spoons that used
Speaker 1: to exist but don't exist anymore. So that feels authentic
Speaker 1: to me, you know, like that was kind of the
Speaker 1: thing that was the dissonant thing for everybody anything. I
Speaker 1: feel like she was caught talking shit. But I don't
Speaker 1: know what you expect when you say that to like
Speaker 1: a media publication, which is weird. Like and the fact
Speaker 1: that like they were going to be involved together in
Speaker 1: business and like I've had a friendly relationship was very
Speaker 1: weird to me. I think that ultimately, what you can
Speaker 1: boil this down to is, I think you can filter
Speaker 1: things that you say if you can believe into things
Speaker 1: you want to say and maybe think and things that
Speaker 1: you need to say and our fact you know what,
Speaker 1: you know what I think this is? Okay, tell me
Speaker 1: if you think this. But there's a distinction. There's it's
Speaker 1: a tonal thing where sometimes I'll be like an interview
Speaker 1: with people dot Com is different than an interview with
Speaker 1: Sam Jones or with like Barbara Walters. Let's you know,
Speaker 1: like the like the interview between Oprah and Barbara Walters
Speaker 1: is like so raw and intimate and like you get
Speaker 1: these moments out of it that are like opus, like
Speaker 1: I bought a car because I could, or she's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know a better person. Like you
Speaker 1: get like these like crazy things where they get real
Speaker 1: and then even do you know you know that you
Speaker 1: not show off camera with Sam Jones. I love it.
Speaker 1: I actually don't know. It's it's that black and white
Speaker 1: like YouTube show. I mean it's on VIM, like you
Speaker 1: pay for episodes, but it's like it's actors like really
Speaker 1: talking like talking about process, and it's like get into it,
Speaker 1: and he's asking very provocative questions that like leave it
Speaker 1: open for them to like get really candid and like
Speaker 1: potentially not talk ship but like have like be disarmed
Speaker 1: in a way that you just sort of are unfiltered.
Speaker 1: I feel like she was probably I'm not like excusing it.
Speaker 1: What I think happened was she kind of got totally
Speaker 1: caught off guard and was like and felt comfortable saying
Speaker 1: all this stuff. I think that's definitely what happened. And
Speaker 1: I also think an element of it, I feel I
Speaker 1: feel badly that she doesn't have a filter I feel
Speaker 1: like that's something she's got to examine about herself. But
Speaker 1: she she's never had to develop one. She's never had
Speaker 1: to develop one as like as a person who like
Speaker 1: checks her demographic boxes. I think that's definitely true. And
Speaker 1: I do think that what you can't what you can't
Speaker 1: forget here is that she assumed. I think it was
Speaker 1: her implicit bias towards Christie teagain that Christie Taggin was stupid.
Speaker 1: And I think that she thought this about two women
Speaker 1: who are alike in a certain way. And I think
Speaker 1: that unfortunately, she got caught in a little bit of
Speaker 1: a tough, tough predicament there because you said it, and
Speaker 1: you would you have said it about Martha Stewart, Would
Speaker 1: you have said it about any other would you have
Speaker 1: said it about Anthony? Would you have said it about
Speaker 1: all these other people? But you specifically targeted two women
Speaker 1: of color to Asian women. Don't be surprised when people
Speaker 1: have something to say about it. And the fact of
Speaker 1: the matter is you assumed they were too stupid to
Speaker 1: either hear it or just took their person hold away
Speaker 1: from them, like, oh, they're not really people, they won't
Speaker 1: really ever hear this. And and go ahead and say
Speaker 1: that's not what was happening. It was what was happening,
Speaker 1: and it's it's just it's very interesting. I think people
Speaker 1: have pointed this out that she apologized to Christie, did
Speaker 1: not apologize, did not address the Marie thing at all,
Speaker 1: and also her her knee jerk reaction was not to apologize.
Speaker 1: It was baby's first Instagram backlash. It's I mean, internet backlash.
Speaker 1: It's like, girl, what also babies first? Like, it's not, um, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm being a bit. She just she seems like a
Speaker 1: jerk to me. And also she said something nasty about
Speaker 1: Ben Platt two weeks ago. I sent it to you
Speaker 1: and I was like, what is this? I was like,
Speaker 1: this is really fucking weird. Her tweet was I really
Speaker 1: want to like Ben Platt, but he makes it so hard.
Speaker 1: Which is this sort of like like bullshit joke that
Speaker 1: like so like Neil Patrick Harris on Rachel bloom to
Speaker 1: where it's like, you obviously are a very comfortable person
Speaker 1: to sit sit from behind your phone and make this
Speaker 1: like mean assessment of someone that I guess you think
Speaker 1: because you said sort of humorously and you know it
Speaker 1: will get likes, you think is something actually contributing to
Speaker 1: the discourse in a comedic way. Honey, it's not it's well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just my thing with a full disclosure.
Speaker 1: I've made the shallow pasta. It's delicious. No one saying
Speaker 1: she's not talented. We're just saying she's a jerk. But you,
Speaker 1: I don't know, this might be going too far, but
Speaker 1: you can just tell from the vibe of the videos
Speaker 1: that this is someone who has been told that they
Speaker 1: are funny and charming, which they probably are they might be,
Speaker 1: but funny and funny in a way that like conflates
Speaker 1: like actual humor with like an off hand comment where
Speaker 1: or not even an off hand comment, just a comment
Speaker 1: that's slightly editorialized, and that's even a generous word to us.
Speaker 1: But like she's like chopping, she's like cutting shouts and
Speaker 1: she's like, isn't this so interesting? You're gonna be cutting this?
Speaker 1: Like this is so like she you know, it's like
Speaker 1: she's know what I'm saying. It's like, look, I bet
Speaker 1: she'd be fun to have a glass of wine with,
Speaker 1: maybe even you know, I'm sure we would talk great
Speaker 1: ship together. But when you will become a public person
Speaker 1: and then you're saying it to a media outlet. It
Speaker 1: says a lot about you when you feel comfortable enough
Speaker 1: to say this stuff that. Yeah, my thing with Marie
Speaker 1: Condo on the Marie Condo at all is like, um,
Speaker 1: and I I told this to you earlier in the
Speaker 1: week where I was like, she doesn't feel the need
Speaker 1: to apologize to Marie because maybe because Marie didn't doesn't
Speaker 1: care to call her out, or because you know, the
Speaker 1: East Asian woman is docile and you know, she doesn't
Speaker 1: have to worry about it. Do you almost feel like
Speaker 1: like when people for when people took it to race immediately,
Speaker 1: I was I was kind of like there was a
Speaker 1: part of me that was like, se now, let's not like,
Speaker 1: let's not like put a damning label on this person
Speaker 1: just just because, but also like I genuinely want to know,
Speaker 1: like would she have attacked someone that like that that
Speaker 1: could have been like quote unquote her gay you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Would she have done this to Anthony?
Speaker 1: Like maybe maybe not. We'll never know because she didn't
Speaker 1: give us the opportunity because she didn't target any white people.
Speaker 1: She only targeted women of color who are who are entrepreneurs,
Speaker 1: you know, what I mean, and it's it's unfortunate, and
Speaker 1: like I wish we didn't have to, like in discussing
Speaker 1: this call that out. But what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: Not right right right? Um, it's I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: I I will say this, this, I don't think this
Speaker 1: will really come back to bite me in the ass.
Speaker 1: And this I don't feel like this is a dirty
Speaker 1: thing to say, but like I don't know, I've just
Speaker 1: like I've had that I know that girl, this is
Speaker 1: this is this is we do know that girl? We
Speaker 1: know that? And who did I say this about? On Survivor?
Speaker 1: I was like I was talking about me, be like
Speaker 1: Candice or something. No, it's talking Amanda, Courtney. I was
Speaker 1: talking about Courtney was learning from China and oh no,
Speaker 1: well this is my no, this is my thing. The
Speaker 1: thing about PG that was, and I'm sorry to use
Speaker 1: this word triggering, was it was like these like it
Speaker 1: was like the like the Yeah, I guess it does
Speaker 1: have to do with like the Courtney and the Amanda
Speaker 1: and probably even the todd of it all where it's
Speaker 1: like these like three like Caddie like in their corner,
Speaker 1: white people being like types types who are like we're
Speaker 1: not gonna And then like and then Denise, Todd and
Speaker 1: Courtney I think went to the Great Wall and had
Speaker 1: this hot, hot dinner and then Todd's talking about Todd's
Speaker 1: talking about, Oh, the Chinese guy comes over and it's
Speaker 1: like oh, and and then and then it's the three
Speaker 1: of them like being like what is this? How do
Speaker 1: we eat this? What? Just like oh my god, Like
Speaker 1: this is taking me back to like middle school, where
Speaker 1: like white kids would come to my house and be like,
Speaker 1: your house smells weird, smells weird? What is this? How
Speaker 1: do I use this to do? Like all this time,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh fuck, And like I know this person
Speaker 1: on like the visceral like sense memory level. I'm back
Speaker 1: there and with with with the Alison Roman of it all,
Speaker 1: Like I'm just like I know this girl, and I
Speaker 1: think she doesn't. I think for some reason she like
Speaker 1: doesn't like me. Not in a way that I'm not
Speaker 1: tearing this on me in terms of a victim who narrative.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like she like it's bad vibes. It's
Speaker 1: bad vibes, and the vibe is she's a natural bully
Speaker 1: and that's what it is. And I think that that's
Speaker 1: like famous natural vindicated bully in reality television. Roxy Andrews
Speaker 1: herself natural natural bully, born born with the instinct to
Speaker 1: belittle others for whatever reason. And you know what this
Speaker 1: ultimately says. What this ultimately says about someone like Alice
Speaker 1: Enrollment And I don't know her personally, she obviously has
Speaker 1: damage that she has not dealt with, and she feels
Speaker 1: like she has to pick on someone like this. And
Speaker 1: maybe she felt because she was punching so up because
Speaker 1: it's crazy Tegan, that she felt like it, that she
Speaker 1: felt like it wasn't a punch down, but like it was.
Speaker 1: It came out of nowhere. She didn't need to do it,
Speaker 1: and she wasn't earning any respect or fans by saying it,
Speaker 1: and so therefore it is something to examine. She is
Speaker 1: not irredeemable. She's just she's a jerk and she's acted
Speaker 1: like a jerk. And you know, she's done the first thing,
Speaker 1: which is she got around to apologizing. But I think
Speaker 1: it's like an examination you have to do now about
Speaker 1: why you felt comfortable to do that, And it's like
Speaker 1: a deeper thing that she can do on her own time.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily care to see her do it in public.
Speaker 1: I don't care for her public persona at this moment.
Speaker 1: But it's not over for her, and we're not saying
Speaker 1: fuck her, cancel. We're saying she did something that there
Speaker 1: is something to be learned from, and that's what that's
Speaker 1: what's Actually. It kind of bothers me when people are
Speaker 1: like Alice and Romans canceled. It's like, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure they're like exaggerating or they're being i don't know,
Speaker 1: just kind of like wilfully extreme about it. But it's like, no,
Speaker 1: she's not canceled. She's just we're just like shitting hunter
Speaker 1: because holding her accountable. No, No, but we're just we're
Speaker 1: it's that we're it's like people are just shitting on
Speaker 1: her for this like dumb thing she said. But it's
Speaker 1: like she will redeem, Like she will. I'm saying, no,
Speaker 1: she'll be more than fine. Some day in the next
Speaker 1: like a few years, she'll do something where are like
Speaker 1: people are gonna fall in love with her again and
Speaker 1: we're gonna be like, oh God, like this whole thing
Speaker 1: it's like this old chestnut. It's like she's not done.
Speaker 1: She's not she's like no one's like she's not she's
Speaker 1: not been, like I'm deprived of any opportunities besides this
Speaker 1: show that Chrissy was gonna ep. Maybe, but it's like
Speaker 1: this is the whole thing. The reason Alison apologized to
Speaker 1: Chrissy um falls on like capitalist grounds anyway. It was
Speaker 1: about money, it was about her transaction. That's all that's
Speaker 1: always which switch which it makes it makes it even shittier.
Speaker 1: Like that's why, like I don't respect I don't respect
Speaker 1: the apology either, so whatever I mean. But I think
Speaker 1: that it's interesting when it comes to the whole cancel
Speaker 1: culture discussion because it's almost become like such an annoying
Speaker 1: pair of words, and not almost become it is such
Speaker 1: an annoying pair of words, because it's not like I
Speaker 1: don't ever want unless someone does something really harmful or evil,
Speaker 1: I don't want them erase off the face of the earth.
Speaker 1: Every time I go on Twitter and I see blank
Speaker 1: blank is over a party, which seems to happen with
Speaker 1: like Sean Mendez once a week. I don't understand what
Speaker 1: people are doing, but every time that happens, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is so sicko and crazy, like it's not cancel culture.
Speaker 1: It's accountability culture. It's not you say something fucked up.
Speaker 1: You are accountable for the things that you say. Every
Speaker 1: hour of this podcast, every second of this podcast. You
Speaker 1: can find something that we've said. We are accountable for
Speaker 1: all of it. I hope that I would be accountable. Yes,
Speaker 1: and we we will hold ourselves accountable for I mean
Speaker 1: I've gotten like I mean, I've an approached and I
Speaker 1: said I said something two episodes ago. Um that like
Speaker 1: was like problematic and someone people now people, multiple people
Speaker 1: reached out. They were like, you you have like sincerely
Speaker 1: wronged us and this group of people. And I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: I apologize, I'm so sorry. There's no excuse for it. Um,
Speaker 1: So yes, I mean like that that's that's all it is.
Speaker 1: It's it's just an accountability. But again, that is like
Speaker 1: what this podcast is. I mean, it is observing the
Speaker 1: culture and then you know, commenting on it and a
Speaker 1: hopefully fun way. But the fact of the matter is,
Speaker 1: like was something like Elis and Roman. Everyone wanted us
Speaker 1: to talk about it, and I'll tell you what I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say is fuck her. She should lose all
Speaker 1: financial apportuity. I think that it's like you're almost a
Speaker 1: straight woman getting fucked. You're almost a straight woman getting sucking.
Speaker 1: But it's like you said, the woman makes amazing shalots.
Speaker 1: No no, yes, she makes the shallots, so she'll be
Speaker 1: able to make her shalots. No no no no no,
Speaker 1: and and and the other thing about her recipes that
Speaker 1: people are commenting on, which I agree, But the shallow
Speaker 1: recipe is is fine, But like she really does like
Speaker 1: caucasianized ethnic food, like her whole chick pie stew is
Speaker 1: like okay, you're just like you think Sue mac is
Speaker 1: gonna make this like cool, I don't know, it's it's
Speaker 1: her recipes are also like eyebrow raise. Here's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you better be If you're gonna follow anyone in the
Speaker 1: New York Times, it better be Melissa Clark because she
Speaker 1: has been there since the beginning, and she will teach
Speaker 1: you how to perfectly roast a turkey. Everything's giving, and
Speaker 1: everyone on the Bonappetite Test kitchen staff on camera is amazing.
Speaker 1: I just did a dinner party with Christina Chay. It
Speaker 1: was so fun. I was so starstruck. It was so cool.
Speaker 1: She's the coolest girl. Everyone in the Bone Test Kitchen staff.
Speaker 1: I love so much Matt. You would love Bonappetite Test kitchen.
Speaker 1: I told you about Andy Bereghani before you love him. Um,
Speaker 1: you would love You would love Clari, you would love Carla,
Speaker 1: you would love a Sola, You would love everybody. I
Speaker 1: mean literally, anyone who can cook food at all. I
Speaker 1: have the most respect for because I so worthless. I
Speaker 1: hope that to learn and I hope to examine my
Speaker 1: own feelings and they are that I am usuals in
Speaker 1: a kitchen. Um. But for as for right now, we
Speaker 1: are going to take a quick break and we're gonna
Speaker 1: be back with I Don't Think So Honey. Yes, we
Speaker 1: are going to take even more things to task on
Speaker 1: this very critical episode of but on a negative way,
Speaker 1: last cooltures. That will be right back. And we are
Speaker 1: back and it is time for I Don't Think So Honey,
Speaker 1: which is a little segment where we take one minute
Speaker 1: to rail against something in culture that has wronged us
Speaker 1: that we Fiel needs to be dressed down. And now
Speaker 1: at this time I feel like we can say we
Speaker 1: actually are attempting to film this one for you for
Speaker 1: a little visual moment. We're having varying degrees of success.
Speaker 1: I'm confident that we will sort of get this down
Speaker 1: to a point where um, you know you just you
Speaker 1: just set it, forget it as our as our um
Speaker 1: as our video person Mark is saying, lovely love, I
Speaker 1: forget it. We'll get there. But you know you his
Speaker 1: roughably are a lot better with the whole technology of
Speaker 1: it all than I am. Um, so we will. I'm
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of progress, and I'm so proud of
Speaker 1: the progress you've made. I really thank you all. I
Speaker 1: really ever want us for you to be proud of me.
Speaker 1: All Right, So now we're gonna do I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: And I do have one that I alluded to earlier
Speaker 1: in the episode, and this gives me no joy to
Speaker 1: do this, Oh my god. And but at least it
Speaker 1: sets up a future guest, hopefully, we'll say, I hope,
Speaker 1: so she can come and explain herself. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey. As time
Speaker 1: starts now, I don't think so, honey, Mary Holland, you
Speaker 1: can follow her at Mary Holland Days and absolutely bomb
Speaker 1: her with emojis because she on Survivor Underscore Quarantine on Instagram,
Speaker 1: lied to my face and told me that we were
Speaker 1: in an alliance. And guess what she did. She turned
Speaker 1: around and voted me out of the damn game. And
Speaker 1: I don't even think it was a good gameplay move
Speaker 1: for her. Mary Holland, you might be one of the
Speaker 1: most talented improvisers that is on the face of the earth,
Speaker 1: well at least in this country, the United States of America,
Speaker 1: but you made a piss poor decision when you voted
Speaker 1: me out of this fake Survivor game at Survivor Underscore Quarantine.
Speaker 1: And I have to say, I hope that you don't win,
Speaker 1: and I hope that someone that you respect and love
Speaker 1: says one thing to your face turns around and does another.
Speaker 1: Even though it was a game, I took it very
Speaker 1: personally and I forgot to say one thing as I
Speaker 1: left Zoom to Mary, which means you too, Mary. And
Speaker 1: let me tell you who said that. Julius Caesar said
Speaker 1: that when he was stabbed in the back, and you've
Speaker 1: done that on Instagram to me, Mary Holland, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. And that's one minute. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Mary Holland, friend of Laura Labnu, I thought friend to me,
Speaker 1: I thought ally an Alliance member to me has voted
Speaker 1: courses icon of the fabled improv group Wild Horses. Check
Speaker 1: out the new show Robbie on UM YouTube. I guess
Speaker 1: because Comedy Central. I guess rest in Peace UM, which
Speaker 1: we have not discussed, but I don't think we need to.
Speaker 1: We need. Mary Holland is the star of that show.
Speaker 1: And let's just say that while you should check out
Speaker 1: her work, and she's a comedic genius. She's very funny.
Speaker 1: She's a genius. She's actually hello, I love you you
Speaker 1: call her a comedic genius. And then I followed up
Speaker 1: with she's very funny, as if that was like you
Speaker 1: contributed there. She actually hurt me very deeply, and I'm
Speaker 1: waiting for her to reach out, and that has not
Speaker 1: happened at this time. But do you hope that she
Speaker 1: makes it to final tribal council so that you have
Speaker 1: a chance to publicly take her to task because or
Speaker 1: I mean the other scenarios she gets voted off and
Speaker 1: she joins you in the jury, but like you, you
Speaker 1: won't have a platform to like, you know, really dig
Speaker 1: into her unless she comes on the podcast. Let's just
Speaker 1: say this. I don't want to speak to her at
Speaker 1: all unless it's at that final tribal council or on
Speaker 1: this podcast. I will not be speaking to her at all.
Speaker 1: So she comes on this podcast, you will not speak
Speaker 1: to her. Don't know. I will speak to her on
Speaker 1: the podcast, not until then or the final Trabic council. UM.
Speaker 1: I am very hurt and and and as real a
Speaker 1: way as you can be by something that happened on Instagram. UM,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. You think. I think we could
Speaker 1: have gone pretty far together. And she she played game
Speaker 1: on me, and I would respect it if I think
Speaker 1: it was a good move for her, but I don't
Speaker 1: think it was. I don't think it was. And I
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it, okay, okay, But I just to
Speaker 1: be hurt in this way, and by this way, I
Speaker 1: mean a moderately real way. UM, based on something that
Speaker 1: happened on Instagram during a fake game. UM is really something? Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: it's really something. It's really something like and and it's
Speaker 1: still evolving. Oh yeah. My feelings on it are forming
Speaker 1: a morphing and changing all the time. But UM, while
Speaker 1: I continue to sort that out, it is going to
Speaker 1: be actually your turn bone to do. I don't think
Speaker 1: it funny. Are you ready? I'm ready? This is I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, and his time starts now. I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. Lip care. I'm holding three things.
Speaker 1: It's visual, guys. I'm holding lip balm, lip conditioner, and
Speaker 1: lip pack. What the hell is the difference between those
Speaker 1: three things? Why are you inflating the market with different
Speaker 1: names for things when it should only be one thing
Speaker 1: you put on your lips. It's too much for me
Speaker 1: to keep track of. Wait, can we can I get confirmation?
Speaker 1: Have already done this? I don't think so, honey in
Speaker 1: the past. No, right, this is new. This is a
Speaker 1: new frustration that I have because I don't know what
Speaker 1: the third put on my lips. I still get flaky
Speaker 1: ass flakes on my levers. That's French for lips. And
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything. I don't think there's any
Speaker 1: way out of this for me, and it's really stressing
Speaker 1: me out, like it's the one thing that I can't
Speaker 1: figure out. My pores are still enormous, gaping pores on
Speaker 1: my face and my flaky ass lips, and I don't
Speaker 1: really know if my face is fixable. I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go into hiding for four years and then four
Speaker 1: years later you're gonna see me completely transformed and you're
Speaker 1: gonna start your conversation about me. That's what's going to happen. Okay,
Speaker 1: and that's one minute. Um. Couple reactions. I don't think
Speaker 1: you've done that before. Um. And if you had, I
Speaker 1: had a moment. If you, if you have, I think
Speaker 1: everything you do is brand now you as a Toh
Speaker 1: my god, oh my god. That being said, I'm salty
Speaker 1: because I legit forgot. We were doing a video one
Speaker 1: and and there you were being very visual with props.
Speaker 1: Even I am a prop comic and here I am
Speaker 1: doing it. I don't think so, honey. On a friend
Speaker 1: of ours, which requires everyone to literally go to another
Speaker 1: app on Instagram. It's good that you have supplemental material.
Speaker 1: I have all my my primary stuff with me. It's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is this is what books you the
Speaker 1: TV gigs and leaves me out there. No, you shut up.
Speaker 1: That wasn't even a good I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a great I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: You got your point across. We've got a sense of
Speaker 1: emotionally where you're at. I just I can't. That's I
Speaker 1: don't know what to do about my lips. I I
Speaker 1: just complain about domestic problems. Now I'm talking about my plans.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about my lips. It's it's really it's the
Speaker 1: subject matter is whittling down. Look, i mean, there's only
Speaker 1: so many things we can engage with in quarantine. And
Speaker 1: what was I gonna do? I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: video and audio set up, Well, that's specific to only us.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure there are people who can relate. Let's
Speaker 1: just say this. I'm happy to have a ring light.
Speaker 1: I don't really see a use for it beyond this,
Speaker 1: to be honest, I mean, my job sent me a
Speaker 1: ring light and then a light panel and it might stand,
Speaker 1: you know, but and an eight foot by eight foot
Speaker 1: collapsible green screen that is honestly the most physically taxing
Speaker 1: thing to do. I'm losing my mind. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm living in my place of work. There's no
Speaker 1: separation between work and leasure. But that's that's not a
Speaker 1: unique problem. Everyone's going through this. But I'm just saying
Speaker 1: we're all dealing in different ways. Aren't we? Aren't we?
Speaker 1: But you know, um, this this, this has been an
Speaker 1: episod of last culture recess that was really just you
Speaker 1: and I negotiating so many different things, new ways of
Speaker 1: thinking about culture, new new technology that is gonna cause
Speaker 1: us to you know, we're grappling with a lot, we're
Speaker 1: grabbing with a lot. But I think this is ultimately
Speaker 1: a quantum leap up. It's a leap. It's not it's
Speaker 1: not a step down. We're stepping up the ladder. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can only speak for myself, and I have so
Speaker 1: enjoyed like this recording setup because I do love watching
Speaker 1: you like with this like particulate, like not only can
Speaker 1: I see you very well, almost as if you're here
Speaker 1: with me, but like you're it's just like the light
Speaker 1: on your face is just shying you get while you're
Speaker 1: on television. You look stunning, is what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: washing it. My face is a flat disk. This light
Speaker 1: is really washing me out. You look stunning, I have
Speaker 1: to say. And you're freshly shaven um, which is perfect
Speaker 1: because you're you're on jury now, so you're you're you're
Speaker 1: groomed essentially now that I'm on the jury of so
Speaker 1: At Survivor, Underscoard Quarantine, and I do have to keep
Speaker 1: showing up in different looks, like looking stunning. You have
Speaker 1: to like now you have to like put like a
Speaker 1: lip liner on or lip cloths or like eyeliner, something,
Speaker 1: just a little something to to just rub it in
Speaker 1: their faces that you have you can primp. You know,
Speaker 1: you gotta show them you can primp what they're You
Speaker 1: gotta show them what they're missing. I gotta show them
Speaker 1: what they're missing because they don't have access to the
Speaker 1: same things as you do. The game. Um, I loved
Speaker 1: our impressions of Parverty in Sandra. I can't wait. I
Speaker 1: can't believe we're talking to Parverty next week. Hi, Madam Bowing.
Speaker 1: This is Sassy Sandra from Survivor. I heard you guys
Speaker 1: were doing fun impressions of me on your podcasts and
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. I'm not gonna listen to the
Speaker 1: podcast because I don't listen to podcasts. The only show
Speaker 1: I watched is Yes, you guys did Survivor, and on
Speaker 1: this season we got It's really heating up. You know,
Speaker 1: Wednesday's at eight on CBS. You can be seeing a
Speaker 1: lot of my very good friends and also some people
Speaker 1: that I hate more than death compete to become the
Speaker 1: winner of two million dollars. But no matter or what
Speaker 1: you know, Queen's days Queen and that I am Sandra,
Speaker 1: the sassy girl from the Bronx who one Survivor two times,
Speaker 1: and then no one else can say that. I gotta
Speaker 1: go because Survivor is coming on. Survivors coming on. Also
Speaker 1: catch me mentoring on Island of the Idols alongside Boston
Speaker 1: Rob who won only one time, but I won twice.
Speaker 1: Remember that, Remember that one, Remember that one. Gonna have
Speaker 1: to remember remember that one. Oh, can I just say
Speaker 1: really quickly, Um, Matt, you put out a call to
Speaker 1: action on Twitter to leave nice reviews on the on
Speaker 1: the on the Apple podcast. I did, and thank you
Speaker 1: everyone for doing that. Can I just say, I did
Speaker 1: a demented thing and I read every single one. They
Speaker 1: really made me emotional and they made me laugh. I
Speaker 1: was laughing out loud. I mean, people are just writing
Speaker 1: such beautiful, creative little little word um tapestries. And I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of people really using because I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Matt, anytime anyone says gonna have to blank
Speaker 1: that one automatic, automatic laugh, automatic laugh. And I will
Speaker 1: say thank you so much to everyone for doing that,
Speaker 1: because we did have some crazy trolls who admittedly had
Speaker 1: never listened to the podcast just giving us one star
Speaker 1: and you know the five star uh ratings. They really
Speaker 1: do help us, not not not only just emotionally and
Speaker 1: that we see them and we we think we feel
Speaker 1: good about them, but they help us be you know,
Speaker 1: um at charted a little bit more visible, so you know,
Speaker 1: we we love oh you guys for listening. And I
Speaker 1: do want to just do a little bit of a
Speaker 1: check in h know that we are loving you in
Speaker 1: quarantine baby. I know I don't know what the every
Speaker 1: day to day looks like for everyone, but we are
Speaker 1: giving you big hugs. And I just wanted to remind
Speaker 1: everyone that you can now follow the Instagram and the
Speaker 1: Twitter at Lost Culture rest us both and we are
Speaker 1: now um fully in control of both of those handles,
Speaker 1: so we are going to be engaging with you guys
Speaker 1: a little bit more than we usually did on those platforms.
Speaker 1: Shout to Ronnie, thank you for um bequeathing us. The
Speaker 1: last culture is to handle on Instagram, and we're so
Speaker 1: excited to look out for some more little little bits
Speaker 1: of content on the channels. I'm using all the right words,
Speaker 1: aren't I. It's so fun, um, I really do, and me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just and thank you for checking in with everybody, Matt.
Speaker 1: I also I'm sending everybody big hugs. And I really
Speaker 1: just I am so grateful. I was. I really just
Speaker 1: kind of went down this fun little gratitude not spiral
Speaker 1: because that has like a connotation to it, but like
Speaker 1: I was just, um, so we're recording this on Sunday,
Speaker 1: uh season finale of US, and I was yesterday. I
Speaker 1: was just very very grateful for um, the people at
Speaker 1: that place, um yeah, the people outside of that place,
Speaker 1: and I was just thinking about how lucky I am
Speaker 1: to have any kind of support system, um, even through
Speaker 1: people I don't even know. And hopefully this sounds so
Speaker 1: so cloying, but hopefully we you know, we um figure
Speaker 1: into that for you. We are always so so so
Speaker 1: I don't know, we're always so I would say you
Speaker 1: and I are like very empathic and we're very loving.
Speaker 1: I know we're bragging about how like I'm not bragging
Speaker 1: about how nice we are, just saying, like you and
Speaker 1: I constantly checking about like how grateful we are for
Speaker 1: the readers and how just people who listen are so
Speaker 1: so kind, superlatively kind. It's it's unlikely that we would
Speaker 1: be doing the stuff that we're doing and as enjoying
Speaker 1: our lives as much if we hadn't started doing the podcast.
Speaker 1: And so thank you guys all so much for being
Speaker 1: an active part of it and for keeping us going
Speaker 1: for this long. And we're never gonna stop until one
Speaker 1: of us is dead. Um, and I feel really sad
Speaker 1: thinking about that. I know, Oh my god, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we can't do this. I just I just thought about
Speaker 1: us dying and it's going to happen. Well, it will happen. Actually,
Speaker 1: it's rule of culture number nineteen. Death will happen. And
Speaker 1: it's gonna be so sad. So on that note, on
Speaker 1: that note, um, we actually what we do is we end.
Speaker 1: I can't believe this is our last episode before PARV.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's this is gonna be a turning
Speaker 1: point in the season and this season, in the show,
Speaker 1: in the series. So we're gonna end this episode with
Speaker 1: a song and it's not it's a song that does
Speaker 1: not have words. That's my hands. Okay, okay, I don't
Speaker 1: know like that's it's it's starting to feel a little
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little weird, a little weird. We're sorry.
Speaker 1: We'll take us to account accountability culture us account of
Speaker 1: by culture, and you just know that we are going
Speaker 1: to oute the second we turn this up, examine that.
Speaker 1: Bye bye