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Speaker 1: with Sandra you always get him real, honest to godship talk.

424
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Speaker 1: She is truly the realist one. I hate Russell. I

425
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 1: I hate Russell and he knows I hate him, and

426
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 1: I think he's bad. He's a bad person, and I

427
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: think you should never be allowed on the show again.

428
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 1: Queen stays Queen and his wife hates him. She's being

429
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 1: real nice to him now, but I think that's a facade.

430
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 1: His wife hates him. I actually know his wife hates him,

431
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: and it's not it's not, it's not. It's not difficult

432
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 1: to see. And how could you like him? He's bad?

433
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: And she's saying I love that she's saying this, like

434
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 1: while he's next her. That's yes, and it's amazing. It's amazing.

435
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 1: She's literally an iconic person in film and television and

436
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: very happy that we have her. And then the other

437
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: thing is with Parvety I now I follow her on Instagram. Yes,

438
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 1: I really appreciate her content there. I did actually a

439
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: whole breathing exercise with Partment where it was amazing and

440
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 1: really worked. And she so she is an We're gonna

441
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: have her on the show next week and she's gonna

442
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: talk about her children's book on the otter and so

443
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 1: it's basically it's like teaching kids and young people and

444
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 1: like encouraging mothers to mindfulness and also using these yoga

445
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 1: breathing techniques. Because you know the reason she was able

446
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: to raise her hand up for six hours in that challenge,

447
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: which is unbelievable, but she she essentially says on her

448
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: YouTube channel that she left her body and so I

449
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: really want to like talk to her about this. Yeah,

450
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 1: it's it's beautiful. I mean, like the like the extreme

451
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 1: examples are like, um, some like some Buddhist kid, um

452
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: sitting in one place for like two months, no eating,

453
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: no drinking. I should also say she's now my phone

454
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: background Wow, part circa circa here, circa Fans versus favorite,

455
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: circa Micronesia. This is I believe a picture of her

456
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: from it looks like heroes versus villains. Actually this is

457
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: like a very lived in, knowing poverty moment. I was

458
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: just gonna say, what you get with her is sort

459
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: of like sort of like ANSD yoga techniques, but also

460
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: like very good entry level stuff. And she has amazing

461
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: videos on her YouTube channel, which I wish she'd do

462
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: more of it, which are life coaching type things. Yeah. Yeah.

463
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: And then with Sandra, it's just pure ship talk like

464
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: that bitch on the street you know, did you did you?

465
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: Did you watch them little phone interview? They did both

466
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: of them. Um where it was it was it was

467
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: before Winners at War. No, yeah, it was before winners

468
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: had been announced. And like someone was they were on

469
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,959
Speaker 1: the phone together with the interviewer. The interviewers like Parverty

470
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: like what what would make you want to compete again

471
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: and Survivor? And then it's just Parverty and Sandra like

472
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 1: screaming at each other over the phone, and Party is like, well,

473
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: Sandra keeps saying that she's the queen, but like, you know,

474
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: like blah blah, it's amazing. And then then Sandra's real

475
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: like queen stays queen blah blah blah. It's so well.

476
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Speaker 1: My favorite thing ever that ever happened on Survivor is

477
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: spoiler alert. After you find out Sandra ds Twine wins

478
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: heroes versus villains, She's she's at the reunion wearing a

479
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: little crown, and Jeff Probes goes, so, Sam Drew, what

480
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: does this mean? And Sandra just goes, it means I'm

481
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: the queen. And that's a little tiara, a little tiara,

482
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,959
Speaker 1: a tiny little tiara, and she says, it means I'm

483
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: the queen. And so that's where Queen's Day's Queen was

484
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: born from, and she presides over all of Survivors to

485
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Speaker 1: this day. But I want to ask you because while

486
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: we've been off air, you've sort of really caught up

487
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: with a whole bunch of survivor And what are your

488
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: broad impressions now before we get into what everyone's been

489
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: asking us to comment, Okay, yes this is perfect, um

490
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: my broad my broad thoughts are it's it's not what

491
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: I expected in terms of here's what I'll say. I

492
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: so respect and admire and I'm so impressed by how

493
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: it has maintained a tone. Does that make sense for

494
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: these for twenty years, for forty seasons where it's like

495
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: it's not about like it's not a reality show where

496
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: it's trying to get like people to lose their temper

497
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: or lose their ship and like no snipe at each other.

498
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: It's like, so this goes without saying, but it's so

499
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: like strategic, it's so like you really it's such a

500
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: cerebral thing to watch as a viewer as as a

501
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: way of keeping up with the chess pieces. And it

502
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: really is this three D chess thing where like, oh

503
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: my god, like there's there's just a million different strategies

504
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: you can approach it with, um, all of them probably

505
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: equally viable. It's like, really, I'm just like so so

506
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: so so so like amazed by how um like manifold

507
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: and complex it is, like of a show it is,

508
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: and how it's kept that going for so long and

509
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: I love it. Well, it's really changed over time, like

510
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: this is actually gonna be we've been fools this whole

511
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: episode long, but to really kind of make a cultural

512
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: analysis on this show. When it began, it really was

513
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: about strangers learning how to survive together, and it was

514
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: sort of about, you know, large narratives over the episodes

515
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: would be did that person sneak in some beef journeys

516
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: from outside of the show, Um, how are we going

517
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: to get the fire started? Etcetera. And so over time

518
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: it's sort of moved away from the survival aspect towards

519
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: being a very very specific show about social gameplay and

520
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: social strategy. But like it's a it's it's a show

521
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: that's about how people behave under artificial or organic or

522
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: you know whatever, Like under any kind of social structure

523
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: where they feel like they're like backed into a corner

524
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: in a social situation or in a physical situation where

525
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: they feel like they have the upper hand. It's like

526
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: watching people behave I mean, like people like you know,

527
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: I mean the the the direct comparison that people make

528
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: all the time is that it's very like Lord of

529
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: the Flies in a way, but like it's it's um

530
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I will say, it's also fun to think

531
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: about the ways in which like a game like this

532
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: kind of somehow pushes like ideological things to the forefront,

533
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: Like implicit bias among like white players is very apparent.

534
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: I think I I sent you that article. Um So,

535
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: that article was specifically looking at a season of the

536
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: show Millennials Versus gen X, which um Zeke Smith was Smith,

537
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: So that was his first season who we know from

538
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: outside there being a character on the show, So that

539
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: show was specifically or that season was specifically being looked

540
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: at under that lens. And it really does show you

541
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: how attitudes outside of the show do kind of creep in.

542
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: And it's actually been interesting to watch the show over

543
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 1: the past like four or five years, because it almost

544
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: seems like there is an awareness of these things in

545
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: the culture. And so because of the cultural awareness of

546
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: these things like racial bias implicit and explicit, like um,

547
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: you know, sexism like transported, yeah, exactly, like the me

548
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: too mindfulness of me too was a thing in the

549
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: last five six years, those things get thought about and

550
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: manipulated in ways they did not ten twelve years ago. So,

551
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: for example, you put a season like cook Islands, or

552
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: as the fandom have called it, Race Wars, you put

553
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: that on, now, I think you get a much uglier

554
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: season than you would have. Right, you're right, And yet somehow,

555
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: like a lot of the conversation around this is like, oh,

556
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: well back then it was worse or whatever, But like

557
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just more inflamed now than it was,

558
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: Like it's it's it's a different it's a different sensitivity

559
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: now than it was back in two. Sorry, yeah, yeah,

560
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: when do you know the ins and outs of what

561
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: happened with the whole me Too scandal on the on

562
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,239
Speaker 1: the last sort of sort of not not not in

563
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: every detail bit. So basically what happened was very very

564
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: early on in the season, a contestant, Kelly, came forward

565
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: and said that she was um uncomfortable with the way

566
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: she was being touched by another, uh contestant, damn. And

567
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: she confided in this two other women on her tribe,

568
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: and she kind of said to producers as well, and

569
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: producers broke the fourth wall and on the season you

570
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: can see them checking in with her and saying, well,

571
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: you know that if you're uncomfortable, you can tell us

572
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: and we'll do something about it, and she gives a

573
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: verbally s etcetera. However, in the narrative of the season,

574
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: women that she told about this use it against her

575
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: and she gets eliminated. After that happens, he actually is

576
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: pulled from the game because he tried something with a

577
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: crew member on the way back from a tribal council.

578
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: But at that point this girl had already been eliminated,

579
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: and a large narrative up to her elimination was these

580
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: other women using against her her accusation. So it's very

581
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:02,239
Speaker 1: interesting because without the conversation in the mainstream, does this

582
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: play out the way it would have or did and

583
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: what are the differences there because it's not the first

584
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: time this has happened on the show. And then you

585
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: get into this argument around um, whether or not Survivor

586
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: really is like a microcosm for society, like as it happens, UM.

587
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, it's it's it's really, it's really

588
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,479
Speaker 1: it's really a lot to think about, you know. I

589
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: think ultimately like that is why I love the show too.

590
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: Is because while ugly things happen, weird things happen, you know,

591
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: there's moments of triumph and despair. It is ultimately a

592
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: tool to see, you know, this person acted this way.

593
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,479
Speaker 1: Let's examine that why you know? And you know something

594
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: that's watching the show now and binging the show now,

595
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: you see how much more difficult it is for a

596
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: POC person to enter a situation like that because they

597
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: have to negotiate behavior ten times more. Like someone like

598
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: you don't haven't seen this season, I recommend that you

599
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: watched the season Millennials versus gen X, But there is

600
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: a fantastic contestant named Mikhaelo who's a young black woman

601
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: and you kind of see her have to negotiate her

602
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: behavior because the second she does something, she's immediately the

603
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: angry black woman and is one out and you know, um,

604
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: it's it's just very interesting to see different contestants grapple

605
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: with their perceived self as opposed to their true self,

606
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: and that that's one of the reasons why the show

607
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: is so interesting and that adaptation over time has been

608
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: so has been so interesting to watch. It's some gosh

609
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: and like, I don't know if this specifically applies to

610
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: Surree but like from what I from what people tell me,

611
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: They're like, well, it does have a problem. It has

612
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: had a historically problem with painting like a black person

613
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: or a black woman specifically, it is like lazy, like

614
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: and so like does this does that specifically? So the

615
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: way that like you can apply that to someone like

616
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: Surree Fields, one of the most amazing contestants players of

617
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: the game. Her whole her whole art is that she

618
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: was like she she was watching from her couch. Like

619
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: people always bring up how she she was the woman

620
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: on the couch and then she did it, and then

621
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: she was scared of leaves, and now she can do

622
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: all these physical challenges and she's like a force to

623
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: be reckoned with, like I can you wait at against

624
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: Like okay, but at the like it's still the absolute

625
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: value that it's still she was lazy. She was perceived

626
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: as lazy, right, and so we see what what is

627
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: a lazy and unhelpful narrative, which is which is actually

628
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: being used by the show to show her growth, But

629
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: it's still began from something unhelpful totally and then I

630
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: and racist, it's not it's not completely one to one

631
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: but that was my whole thing with PG. I was like,

632
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: she's she's a little too plotty, she's like a little

633
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 1: too nefarious, and like I told her this myself, I

634
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: was like I had because in my inst story where

635
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: I talked about that someone center, I was like, I

636
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: really didn't like her first, so I was like, I

637
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: have to explain this to her because like I had

638
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: to check my own implicit advice um on this in

639
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: terms of this like racial self loathing, let's call it,

640
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I see an Asian person and Asian

641
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: women on screen, She's like she's playing the game the

642
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: way she should be playing it. But then my it

643
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: immediately translates to me another Asian person even as or

644
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: she's or she's like dragon lady, or she's like, you know,

645
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: like a little too like devious, and I'm like, whoa

646
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: that that kind of sucked me up. And then the

647
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: arc beautifully turns into this thing where she like fucking

648
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: stays in way longer than people are people expect her to,

649
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: and really really endears herself to a lot of people,

650
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: earned many fans, and like I said before, is voted

651
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: back into another season by the fans. You know, It's

652
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: interesting when you say that, because with the gay contestants,

653
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: I immediately something inside me doesn't take them seriously. I'm

654
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: like that that fool, you know what I mean. Like,

655
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: and it's just in interesting because that is something that's

656
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: coming from inside the house. Because because two of the winners,

657
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: in fact, the star one maybe most iconic contestant who

658
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: created the the alliance that was Richard Hatch and one

659
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: of the winners again since then, Todd Herzog from China,

660
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: an incredible plotter, an incredible social strategist. But the way

661
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: that the show frames them and the way that I

662
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: perceived them as someone with an implicit bias, even though

663
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: I too am gay, is he's never gonna win. They

664
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: call him like they're going through everyone's like um occupations

665
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: in the very beginning, and it's like he's the flight attendant.

666
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: He's the flight attendant, not only that gay Mormon flight attendant. Meanwhile,

667
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: they don't call Denise straight lunch lady, you know what

668
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: I mean. Like, it's it's just so interesting, like sexuality

669
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: and race are qualifiers to these people but not everyone else.

670
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: This sounds maybe kind of psychonic, but it's the way

671
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: that I feel whenever I see people be like Bowen

672
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: plays gay Asian characters only exclusively on S ANDL and

673
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, that's because you flatten the context completely

674
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: to only really register those things about me. But I like,

675
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to like change that on screen. You know.

676
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: It's like I can choose to address it or not

677
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: address it. And also it's this book that I'm read

678
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: that i'd finished, Minor Feelings, An Asian American Reckoning by

679
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: Kathy Park Kong. She has this whole essay in the

680
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: book where she started at the Iowa Writer's Workshop and

681
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: face this frustration where she was like, they tell you

682
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: to write what you know, so I feel like I

683
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: have to write about Asian stuff. But if I were

684
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: to say, write about nature, let's say, the feeling around

685
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: that is everyone being like, well, why is this Asian

686
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: girl writing about nature? Why isn't she writing about Asian stuff?

687
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: I don't know it's but this is all to say that,

688
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: like survivor is or shock test for this, like you

689
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: you you you see what you want to see out

690
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: of it. I think that you know it's you in

691
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: nature to see something and want to know what it

692
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: is to want to identify it to want to be

693
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: able to figure something out, and so I think that

694
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: is something with you on Saturday Night Live. It's like

695
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: people see you on screen in this context and a

696
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know what to do with it.

697
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: So so what they do is they say, that's the

698
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: gay Asian, that's what he does, and it's unfair, and

699
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: it is. It's I love playing the gays. I love

700
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: playing the Asians. I would say in terms of like

701
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: if we're gonna split this up like distribution wise, like

702
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: I played, I've played characters who were like the sketch

703
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: doesn't like revolve around those identities either. But it's like, no,

704
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: it's like people regis, Yeah, people will see that as

705
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: oh he's gaying Asian. But I would hope that people

706
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: would understand how insane it is to say about you

707
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: he always plays Asians. I'm saying, right, right, it's not ny,

708
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: but that's what we're saying. But this is where we're saying.

709
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: It's like it's like, you know, it's like we we

710
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: kind of just like very quickly as a way to

711
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: manage expectations about people that other human beings, we just

712
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: collapse them down to like certain things gay flight attendant?

713
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: Did you watch um the So I'm about to binge

714
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: all of Winners at War very quickly, even starting tonight.

715
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: So have you started? Have you started? I? I started

716
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: the first episode? Okay, So I'm also going to start

717
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: the first episode. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. But

718
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: we will we should, yes, we should say that, like

719
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: you again again, there's a huge gap in sort of

720
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: like fandom and understand we're just coming at this as

721
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: full on newbies neophytes, and we love it and when

722
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: we hope, because I'm getting a lot of people being like,

723
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: oh god, Bowen's like Bowen has an opinion on a

724
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: season that's like fifteen years old. I'm like, yeah, but like,

725
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: we gotta start somewhere anyway, keep going. It's still a

726
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: piece of art, and it's a piece of entertainment that

727
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,959
Speaker 1: is up for cultural critique. And I don't actually maybe

728
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: you guys forgot what this podcast is, but it's but

729
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: this is what the podcast is, and this is what

730
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: we do, and this is what we like to do together.

731
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: So we're just going to continue doing that. If that's

732
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: okay with you, Okay, if that and I think it's

733
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: okay with the vast majority of um. But I was

734
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: going to ask you if you watch the special, the

735
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: clip that I that I said, you did you see that?

736
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: You'll by the way, Who's Daddy and King King King?

737
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: Who won Cook Islands? Did you see so fucking hot?

738
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: And like part of I think one of the most

739
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: iconically hot scenes in history, which was him and Ozzy

740
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 1: getting the mud off of their body in the bucket,

741
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: that was truly cannon. And if you want something to

742
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: absolutely um like you know, pushing pushing the mud off

743
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: of their like washboard altums. Oh my god, you but

744
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: did you see that? He acknowledged this? He said on

745
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: his original season he felt the need represent his community

746
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: and and you also think about the way he played

747
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: the game very much numbers driven, very cerebral, maybe the

748
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: most cerebral of all time. Respectable. He had to be

749
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: respectable as an Asian man, right, And I think that

750
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 1: that in this interview where he says, the first time

751
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: I played, I felt I had to play a certain way.

752
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: He did it successfully, but it makes you think, like

753
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: I don't think he could have played a better game.

754
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: But if he were to be quote unquote free of

755
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: that thing, of I have to represent my community, if

756
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: you will. What else would his game of looks like?

757
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: What will it look like this time? You know? It's interesting,

758
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: It's so interesting. It's kind of the reason why all

759
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: of that tribe, the Puka tribe for that, the the

760
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: initial Asian tribe on Cook Islands. Um kind of like

761
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: railed on Cowboy a little bit so Cowboys this um

762
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: Vietnamese a sort of older man on the tribe who

763
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: like will like pull out, like will do like kind

764
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: of hackneed Asian jokes or do the accent or they

765
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: were they were not feeling it, and the rest of

766
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: the tribal members were like, you gotta stop and like

767
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: totally totally valid response reaction, right, but it's like for

768
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: the first season that's pretensed upon race, like of course,

769
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: especially Asian people are gonna be like, we gotta like

770
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: come off okay because you because that Asian community would

771
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: be the least represented by a wide margin media absolutely,

772
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 1: and and even on Survivor absolutely, I mean definitely there

773
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: had not been that many Asian contestants. I love that

774
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: Yaman was the originator of the fake idol love it is.

775
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 1: That's genius. I think that's one of the most genius

776
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: moves in Survivor. Yes, especially when you can create one

777
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: that looks real. Yes, I mean like and there's it's

778
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: nothing better than watching someone present a fake idol as

779
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: a tribal council and then Jeff being like, this is

780
00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: not a thing. Yeah, that's great and we should show

781
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: it out. Queen Eliza from from Micronesia who played a

782
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: fake idol that she goes okay, well, then I Assie

783
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: has it, I mean amazing, But then she went on

784
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: the jury and was iconic on the jury, potentially cultural

785
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: canon Eliza's performance on the Micronesia jury, giving you every

786
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: jaw dropped, every eyebrow raised, every like googly eye. Yes,

787
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: we're very in it with Survivor. We're going to be

788
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: watching all of winners at war and then Parverty is

789
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: coming on next week and we will be discussing it

790
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: with her. And then for everyone that hasn't been as

791
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: into the Survivor discussion, don't worry. We will be moving

792
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: forward in our cultural discourse. But this is a big

793
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,959
Speaker 1: moment for Survivor, and it's a big moment in both

794
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: Bowen and I was quarantines. It's been like a thing

795
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: we've enjoyed. So thank you for bearing with us if

796
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: you're not necessarily a reality TV person. But we are

797
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: loving it. We're loving it. We're loving it. Um. Okay,

798
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. Okay,

799
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: we're back, Matt. We're specifically asked to mention and to

800
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: talk about one thing that's happened in the culture in

801
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: the past, in the past week. I mean, it's only

802
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: been a couple of days. Um, and there's a there's

803
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: a bunch of other stuff I want to talk about. Um,

804
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: we don't have to talk about it? Should we talk

805
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: about the adult stuff? Now? That's that's your tricky Well,

806
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I think that we have to talk

807
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: about it. But I think that, like I understand your

808
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: hesitation and even bringing it up, and I actually think

809
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: that it is a really it's tough to talk about

810
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: because anytime a well known person reappears on the world

811
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: stage and they look really different, you would say, oh

812
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: that that there's a large difference there. This is where

813
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: it's tricky. It is because you have to sort of

814
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: as someone who's you're a fan, you have to change

815
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: the way that you may have always responded to this,

816
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: which is like with concern for her, which is with um,

817
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, judgment of her. Because something that I have

818
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: been woken up to in the whole narrative on Adele's

819
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:19,479
Speaker 1: weight is when you, and especially when men, gay men,

820
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: straight men, anyone who's looking through the male gaze, when

821
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: you are discussing having an opinion on women's weight in

822
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: the public eye, that is an attempt to control that

823
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: woman's weight. That is an attempt to control the narrative

824
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: around a woman's weight. And that is patriarchy. That is toxic.

825
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: And so you want to have like a sort of

826
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: reaction to the new Adele, you know by all means

827
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: like she is the new Adele. This is what she

828
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: looks like. Now, I think that we all can register

829
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: that it's different. But when you come out and say

830
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: she's did it looked like this? Or she should look

831
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: like that, what you're doing, I think is attempting to

832
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: control her body. Yes, not to tie it back to survivor.

833
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: But the way we said survivor is a roar track test.

834
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: It's not I'm not saying that this this this is

835
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: journey with Adele is the same thing, but it's it

836
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: will like be reflective service in some way for to

837
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: draw out a very specific world view you have as

838
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: someone who's like, well, her divorce is doing like this

839
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: is her divorce and she's really dealing with it poorly.

840
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: It must be exactly you're like, wait a minute, that's crazy,

841
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: that's that's that's actually psychotic and it but it's a

842
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: way to but it's it's also another sort of um

843
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: variation on just collapsing context and arriving at this like

844
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: wild narrative about like well she's you know, starving herself

845
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: or she's like not doing this in a healthy way.

846
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's the only only thing you can

847
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: say about this is that to be a woman is

848
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: to be imprisoned. Like that's all it is. And I

849
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: think that that is what's arriving out of this whole moment,

850
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: is that it really doesn't matter who you are. If

851
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: you're a woman, your appearance is going to be scrutinized,

852
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: torn apart. She could not have won, honestly, the only

853
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: winning here would be for her to never have been

854
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 1: seen again. And is that what you want? I don't

855
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: think that's what you want. I understand the reactions that

856
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: everyone is having. But I do think that after everything

857
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: we've been through as a culture over the past, you know,

858
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: in a public way a few years, but for women

859
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: hundreds thousands of years, we have to say at this

860
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: point like, no, you know what, we're actually going to

861
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: be better about this. Let's be better about this and

862
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: not make her feel insane either way, because there's so

863
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: many more interesting conversations to have, and it's it's it's

864
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: obvious is that it ate up the whole narrative, the

865
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: whole cultural narrative totally. But it's just like I do

866
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: think we have to ask ourselves to be more responsible

867
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: about the way, like, don't worry about the message that

868
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: she's sending to to other women. Worry about why it's

869
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: a message, right, you know what I mean, we carry

870
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: the message from seeing it to the ears of let's say,

871
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: young girls or other women. Don't reinforce something negative. I mean, yeah,

872
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: at this point, it's like the damage has been done

873
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: quote unquote, where it's like the reaction was so it

874
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: was just so strong that like you're like, oh god,

875
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: I guess like we're we haven't really progressed in anyway

876
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: around like this. It's for some it reminds me of

877
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: Rene's ll worker. Yes, it's not quite the same thing,

878
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 1: and like that was specifically about like her face, um,

879
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: and not about weight. But it's like it's it's about appearance.

880
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: It's about a woman's physical appearance. It's taking her narrative

881
00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: from her and and that is wrong everyone, it's wrong

882
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: to do. And you know what, you might even have

883
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 1: something to say about, you know, the way we've talked

884
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: about things on this podcast, but of course because guaranteed

885
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: a yes, we have been wrong about the way we've

886
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 1: spoken about people. And we are men, and we are

887
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: fully we are we're we're executioners in the project of patriarchy,

888
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: and we are also like we're man like like like

889
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: that is like it's an implicit thing about us. We're

890
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: like that that makes us bad, you know. And I

891
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: would say that it is an opportunity for a growing

892
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: moment for everyone to be able to say and I

893
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: think I disagree that that like the damage has already

894
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: been done because I think that one way we can

895
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: be helpful right now in discussing it is by saying,

896
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 1: let's change the way that historically we may have spoken

897
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: about this, because we know what it does to women.

898
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: We know that it makes women feel like ship you

899
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: guys like it. We we can't do this. It's so

900
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: much harder to be a woman or just female presenting

901
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 1: or you know, let's not contribute to pain high readers,

902
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 1: it's bowing. So in this half of the episode, Matt

903
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: and I talked about the Allison Roman controversy. But we

904
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: just wanted to disclaim that we recorded this the day

905
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: before Alison Roman issued an apology via her Twitter and

906
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: screenshots of her word processor of choice. So that is

907
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: some background for you. Okay, enjoy, Okay. So this is

908
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: the actual thing that people want us to address, and

909
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: it is also I it is also about how femininity

910
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: is a prison. I think so so people people really

911
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: wanted us to talk about the Alison Roman snaffo, not snaffing.

912
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: What would you call you why? I would call it

913
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: a snaff oo? You're doing you're you're doing a long

914
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 1: a sound. Okay, I would call it a snaff But

915
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: but the fact of the matter is, um, this was

916
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: something that was definitely a feud online and and I

917
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: think it's another interesting conversation. Yes, it's very interesting the

918
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: way you can boil it down is. You know, Allison

919
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: Roman was essentially talking shit about Chrissy Tugan, saying that

920
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: she was a sellout for having a product line and

921
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: Marie Condo, let's not forget, and throwing in Marie Condo

922
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: and being like, these women are sellouts and I don't

923
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: aspire to be like them and the way that they've

924
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: decided to roll out their business and business. And Alison

925
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 1: Roman was then sort of dragged by Chrissy Teagan who said, Wow,

926
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: this really hurts me as someone who really likes you

927
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: and even signed on too ep a show you were doing,

928
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: um and it really sucks that I'm being attacked by

929
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: this person. I respect. It really ruined my day today,

930
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, it caused a whole fervor online. Yeah, I

931
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: mean it's can we objectively said, I mean, she was

932
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: just she was just talking ship. But it's like in

933
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: a way that in a way that like probably seems

934
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 1: casual or to her she's probably been there, she doesn't

935
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: have like she was kind of priding herself on not

936
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: having like like media manager or like people who were

937
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: like told her what to say in in in these situations.

938
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: Perhaps I don't know the full the full context of this,

939
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: but like she basically was like, Wow, these women are

940
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: sellouts and then caps off the interview by being like,

941
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: I'm working with a company that makes spoons that used

942
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: to exist but don't exist anymore. So that feels authentic

943
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: to me, you know, like that was kind of the

944
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: thing that was the dissonant thing for everybody anything. I

945
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: feel like she was caught talking shit. But I don't

946
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: know what you expect when you say that to like

947
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: a media publication, which is weird. Like and the fact

948
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: that like they were going to be involved together in

949
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: business and like I've had a friendly relationship was very

950
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: weird to me. I think that ultimately, what you can

951
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: boil this down to is, I think you can filter

952
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: things that you say if you can believe into things

953
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: you want to say and maybe think and things that

954
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: you need to say and our fact you know what,

955
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: you know what I think this is? Okay, tell me

956
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: if you think this. But there's a distinction. There's it's

957
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: a tonal thing where sometimes I'll be like an interview

958
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: with people dot Com is different than an interview with

959
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: Sam Jones or with like Barbara Walters. Let's you know,

960
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: like the like the interview between Oprah and Barbara Walters

961
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: is like so raw and intimate and like you get

962
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: these moments out of it that are like opus, like

963
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: I bought a car because I could, or she's like,

964
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know a better person. Like you

965
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: get like these like crazy things where they get real

966
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: and then even do you know you know that you

967
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: not show off camera with Sam Jones. I love it.

968
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,479
Speaker 1: I actually don't know. It's it's that black and white

969
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: like YouTube show. I mean it's on VIM, like you

970
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: pay for episodes, but it's like it's actors like really

971
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: talking like talking about process, and it's like get into it,

972
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: and he's asking very provocative questions that like leave it

973
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: open for them to like get really candid and like

974
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: potentially not talk ship but like have like be disarmed

975
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: in a way that you just sort of are unfiltered.

976
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: I feel like she was probably I'm not like excusing it.

977
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: What I think happened was she kind of got totally

978
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: caught off guard and was like and felt comfortable saying

979
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: all this stuff. I think that's definitely what happened. And

980
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: I also think an element of it, I feel I

981
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,959
Speaker 1: feel badly that she doesn't have a filter I feel

982
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: like that's something she's got to examine about herself. But

983
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: she she's never had to develop one. She's never had

984
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: to develop one as like as a person who like

985
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: checks her demographic boxes. I think that's definitely true. And

986
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: I do think that what you can't what you can't

987
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: forget here is that she assumed. I think it was

988
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: her implicit bias towards Christie teagain that Christie Taggin was stupid.

989
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: And I think that she thought this about two women

990
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 1: who are alike in a certain way. And I think

991
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: that unfortunately, she got caught in a little bit of

992
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 1: a tough, tough predicament there because you said it, and

993
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: you would you have said it about Martha Stewart, Would

994
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: you have said it about any other would you have

995
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: said it about Anthony? Would you have said it about

996
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: all these other people? But you specifically targeted two women

997
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: of color to Asian women. Don't be surprised when people

998
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: have something to say about it. And the fact of

999
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: the matter is you assumed they were too stupid to

1000
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: either hear it or just took their person hold away

1001
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: from them, like, oh, they're not really people, they won't

1002
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,439
Speaker 1: really ever hear this. And and go ahead and say

1003
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: that's not what was happening. It was what was happening,

1004
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: and it's it's just it's very interesting. I think people

1005
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: have pointed this out that she apologized to Christie, did

1006
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: not apologize, did not address the Marie thing at all,

1007
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: and also her her knee jerk reaction was not to apologize.

1008
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: It was baby's first Instagram backlash. It's I mean, internet backlash.

1009
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: It's like, girl, what also babies first? Like, it's not, um, sorry,

1010
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm being a bit. She just she seems like a

1011
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: jerk to me. And also she said something nasty about

1012
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: Ben Platt two weeks ago. I sent it to you

1013
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: and I was like, what is this? I was like,

1014
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 1: this is really fucking weird. Her tweet was I really

1015
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: want to like Ben Platt, but he makes it so hard.

1016
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: Which is this sort of like like bullshit joke that

1017
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 1: like so like Neil Patrick Harris on Rachel bloom to

1018
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: where it's like, you obviously are a very comfortable person

1019
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: to sit sit from behind your phone and make this

1020
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: like mean assessment of someone that I guess you think

1021
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: because you said sort of humorously and you know it

1022
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: will get likes, you think is something actually contributing to

1023
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: the discourse in a comedic way. Honey, it's not it's well,

1024
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just my thing with a full disclosure.

1025
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: I've made the shallow pasta. It's delicious. No one saying

1026
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: she's not talented. We're just saying she's a jerk. But you,

1027
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, this might be going too far, but

1028
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: you can just tell from the vibe of the videos

1029
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: that this is someone who has been told that they

1030
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: are funny and charming, which they probably are they might be,

1031
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: but funny and funny in a way that like conflates

1032
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: like actual humor with like an off hand comment where

1033
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: or not even an off hand comment, just a comment

1034
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: that's slightly editorialized, and that's even a generous word to us.

1035
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: But like she's like chopping, she's like cutting shouts and

1036
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: she's like, isn't this so interesting? You're gonna be cutting this?

1037
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: Like this is so like she you know, it's like

1038
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: she's know what I'm saying. It's like, look, I bet

1039
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: she'd be fun to have a glass of wine with,

1040
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: maybe even you know, I'm sure we would talk great

1041
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: ship together. But when you will become a public person

1042
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: and then you're saying it to a media outlet. It

1043
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: says a lot about you when you feel comfortable enough

1044
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 1: to say this stuff that. Yeah, my thing with Marie

1045
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: Condo on the Marie Condo at all is like, um,

1046
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: and I I told this to you earlier in the

1047
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: week where I was like, she doesn't feel the need

1048
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 1: to apologize to Marie because maybe because Marie didn't doesn't

1049
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: care to call her out, or because you know, the

1050
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: East Asian woman is docile and you know, she doesn't

1051
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: have to worry about it. Do you almost feel like

1052
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: like when people for when people took it to race immediately,

1053
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: I was I was kind of like there was a

1054
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: part of me that was like, se now, let's not like,

1055
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: let's not like put a damning label on this person

1056
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: just just because, but also like I genuinely want to know,

1057
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: like would she have attacked someone that like that that

1058
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: could have been like quote unquote her gay you know

1059
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: what I mean? Would she have done this to Anthony?

1060
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: Like maybe maybe not. We'll never know because she didn't

1061
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: give us the opportunity because she didn't target any white people.

1062
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: She only targeted women of color who are who are entrepreneurs,

1063
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, what I mean, and it's it's unfortunate, and

1064
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: like I wish we didn't have to, like in discussing

1065
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: this call that out. But what are you gonna do?

1066
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: Not right right right? Um, it's I don't I don't know.

1067
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: I I will say this, this, I don't think this

1068
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: will really come back to bite me in the ass.

1069
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: And this I don't feel like this is a dirty

1070
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: thing to say, but like I don't know, I've just

1071
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: like I've had that I know that girl, this is

1072
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: this is this is we do know that girl? We

1073
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: know that? And who did I say this about? On Survivor?

1074
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: I was like I was talking about me, be like

1075
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: Candice or something. No, it's talking Amanda, Courtney. I was

1076
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: talking about Courtney was learning from China and oh no,

1077
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: well this is my no, this is my thing. The

1078
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: thing about PG that was, and I'm sorry to use

1079
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: this word triggering, was it was like these like it

1080
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: was like the like the Yeah, I guess it does

1081
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: have to do with like the Courtney and the Amanda

1082
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: and probably even the todd of it all where it's

1083
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: like these like three like Caddie like in their corner,

1084
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: white people being like types types who are like we're

1085
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: not gonna And then like and then Denise, Todd and

1086
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: Courtney I think went to the Great Wall and had

1087
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: this hot, hot dinner and then Todd's talking about Todd's

1088
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: talking about, Oh, the Chinese guy comes over and it's

1089
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: like oh, and and then and then it's the three

1090
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: of them like being like what is this? How do

1091
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: we eat this? What? Just like oh my god, Like

1092
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: this is taking me back to like middle school, where

1093
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: like white kids would come to my house and be like,

1094
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: your house smells weird, smells weird? What is this? How

1095
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: do I use this to do? Like all this time,

1096
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh fuck, And like I know this person

1097
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: on like the visceral like sense memory level. I'm back

1098
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: there and with with with the Alison Roman of it all,

1099
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm just like I know this girl, and I

1100
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: think she doesn't. I think for some reason she like

1101
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: doesn't like me. Not in a way that I'm not

1102
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: tearing this on me in terms of a victim who narrative.

1103
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like she like it's bad vibes. It's

1104
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: bad vibes, and the vibe is she's a natural bully

1105
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: and that's what it is. And I think that that's

1106
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: like famous natural vindicated bully in reality television. Roxy Andrews

1107
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: herself natural natural bully, born born with the instinct to

1108
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: belittle others for whatever reason. And you know what this

1109
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: ultimately says. What this ultimately says about someone like Alice

1110
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: Enrollment And I don't know her personally, she obviously has

1111
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: damage that she has not dealt with, and she feels

1112
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: like she has to pick on someone like this. And

1113
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: maybe she felt because she was punching so up because

1114
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: it's crazy Tegan, that she felt like it, that she

1115
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: felt like it wasn't a punch down, but like it was.

1116
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: It came out of nowhere. She didn't need to do it,

1117
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: and she wasn't earning any respect or fans by saying it,

1118
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: and so therefore it is something to examine. She is

1119
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: not irredeemable. She's just she's a jerk and she's acted

1120
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: like a jerk. And you know, she's done the first thing,

1121
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: which is she got around to apologizing. But I think

1122
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: it's like an examination you have to do now about

1123
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: why you felt comfortable to do that, And it's like

1124
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,439
Speaker 1: a deeper thing that she can do on her own time.

1125
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily care to see her do it in public.

1126
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: I don't care for her public persona at this moment.

1127
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 1: But it's not over for her, and we're not saying

1128
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: fuck her, cancel. We're saying she did something that there

1129
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: is something to be learned from, and that's what that's

1130
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: what's Actually. It kind of bothers me when people are

1131
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: like Alice and Romans canceled. It's like, I mean, I'm

1132
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: sure they're like exaggerating or they're being i don't know,

1133
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: just kind of like wilfully extreme about it. But it's like, no,

1134
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: she's not canceled. She's just we're just like shitting hunter

1135
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: because holding her accountable. No, No, but we're just we're

1136
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: it's that we're it's like people are just shitting on

1137
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: her for this like dumb thing she said. But it's

1138
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: like she will redeem, Like she will. I'm saying, no,

1139
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: she'll be more than fine. Some day in the next

1140
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: like a few years, she'll do something where are like

1141
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: people are gonna fall in love with her again and

1142
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna be like, oh God, like this whole thing

1143
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: it's like this old chestnut. It's like she's not done.

1144
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: She's not she's like no one's like she's not she's

1145
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,439
Speaker 1: not been, like I'm deprived of any opportunities besides this

1146
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: show that Chrissy was gonna ep. Maybe, but it's like

1147
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: this is the whole thing. The reason Alison apologized to

1148
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: Chrissy um falls on like capitalist grounds anyway. It was

1149
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: about money, it was about her transaction. That's all that's

1150
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: always which switch which it makes it makes it even shittier.

1151
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: Like that's why, like I don't respect I don't respect

1152
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: the apology either, so whatever I mean. But I think

1153
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 1: that it's interesting when it comes to the whole cancel

1154
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: culture discussion because it's almost become like such an annoying

1155
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: pair of words, and not almost become it is such

1156
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: an annoying pair of words, because it's not like I

1157
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: don't ever want unless someone does something really harmful or evil,

1158
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,479
Speaker 1: I don't want them erase off the face of the earth.

1159
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: Every time I go on Twitter and I see blank

1160
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: blank is over a party, which seems to happen with

1161
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: like Sean Mendez once a week. I don't understand what

1162
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: people are doing, but every time that happens, I'm like,

1163
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: this is so sicko and crazy, like it's not cancel culture.

1164
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: It's accountability culture. It's not you say something fucked up.

1165
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: You are accountable for the things that you say. Every

1166
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: hour of this podcast, every second of this podcast. You

1167
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: can find something that we've said. We are accountable for

1168
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: all of it. I hope that I would be accountable. Yes,

1169
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: and we we will hold ourselves accountable for I mean

1170
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: I've gotten like I mean, I've an approached and I

1171
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: said I said something two episodes ago. Um that like

1172
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: was like problematic and someone people now people, multiple people

1173
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: reached out. They were like, you you have like sincerely

1174
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: wronged us and this group of people. And I was like, yes,

1175
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: I apologize, I'm so sorry. There's no excuse for it. Um,

1176
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: So yes, I mean like that that's that's all it is.

1177
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: It's it's just an accountability. But again, that is like

1178
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: what this podcast is. I mean, it is observing the

1179
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: culture and then you know, commenting on it and a

1180
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: hopefully fun way. But the fact of the matter is,

1181
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: like was something like Elis and Roman. Everyone wanted us

1182
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: to talk about it, and I'll tell you what I'm

1183
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: not gonna say is fuck her. She should lose all

1184
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: financial apportuity. I think that it's like you're almost a

1185
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: straight woman getting fucked. You're almost a straight woman getting sucking.

1186
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: But it's like you said, the woman makes amazing shalots.

1187
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: No no, yes, she makes the shallots, so she'll be

1188
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: able to make her shalots. No no no no no,

1189
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: and and and the other thing about her recipes that

1190
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: people are commenting on, which I agree, But the shallow

1191
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: recipe is is fine, But like she really does like

1192
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: caucasianized ethnic food, like her whole chick pie stew is

1193
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: like okay, you're just like you think Sue mac is

1194
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: gonna make this like cool, I don't know, it's it's

1195
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: her recipes are also like eyebrow raise. Here's what I'm saying,

1196
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: you better be If you're gonna follow anyone in the

1197
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: New York Times, it better be Melissa Clark because she

1198
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,479
Speaker 1: has been there since the beginning, and she will teach

1199
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: you how to perfectly roast a turkey. Everything's giving, and

1200
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: everyone on the Bonappetite Test kitchen staff on camera is amazing.

1201
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: I just did a dinner party with Christina Chay. It

1202
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,959
Speaker 1: was so fun. I was so starstruck. It was so cool.

1203
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: She's the coolest girl. Everyone in the Bone Test Kitchen staff.

1204
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: I love so much Matt. You would love Bonappetite Test kitchen.

1205
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 1: I told you about Andy Bereghani before you love him. Um,

1206
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: you would love You would love Clari, you would love Carla,

1207
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: you would love a Sola, You would love everybody. I

1208
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: mean literally, anyone who can cook food at all. I

1209
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: have the most respect for because I so worthless. I

1210
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: hope that to learn and I hope to examine my

1211
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: own feelings and they are that I am usuals in

1212
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: a kitchen. Um. But for as for right now, we

1213
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: are going to take a quick break and we're gonna

1214
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: be back with I Don't Think So Honey. Yes, we

1215
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: are going to take even more things to task on

1216
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,439
Speaker 1: this very critical episode of but on a negative way,

1217
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: last cooltures. That will be right back. And we are

1218
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: back and it is time for I Don't Think So Honey,

1219
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: which is a little segment where we take one minute

1220
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: to rail against something in culture that has wronged us

1221
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: that we Fiel needs to be dressed down. And now

1222
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: at this time I feel like we can say we

1223
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: actually are attempting to film this one for you for

1224
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: a little visual moment. We're having varying degrees of success.

1225
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: I'm confident that we will sort of get this down

1226
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: to a point where um, you know you just you

1227
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: just set it, forget it as our as our um

1228
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: as our video person Mark is saying, lovely love, I

1229
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: forget it. We'll get there. But you know you his

1230
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: roughably are a lot better with the whole technology of

1231
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:13,439
Speaker 1: it all than I am. Um, so we will. I'm

1232
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of progress, and I'm so proud of

1233
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: the progress you've made. I really thank you all. I

1234
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: really ever want us for you to be proud of me.

1235
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: All Right, So now we're gonna do I don't think so, honey,

1236
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: And I do have one that I alluded to earlier

1237
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: in the episode, and this gives me no joy to

1238
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: do this, Oh my god. And but at least it

1239
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: sets up a future guest, hopefully, we'll say, I hope,

1240
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: so she can come and explain herself. Okay, this is

1241
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey. As time

1242
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: starts now, I don't think so, honey, Mary Holland, you

1243
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: can follow her at Mary Holland Days and absolutely bomb

1244
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: her with emojis because she on Survivor Underscore Quarantine on Instagram,

1245
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: lied to my face and told me that we were

1246
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: in an alliance. And guess what she did. She turned

1247
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: around and voted me out of the damn game. And

1248
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: I don't even think it was a good gameplay move

1249
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: for her. Mary Holland, you might be one of the

1250
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: most talented improvisers that is on the face of the earth,

1251
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: well at least in this country, the United States of America,

1252
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: but you made a piss poor decision when you voted

1253
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: me out of this fake Survivor game at Survivor Underscore Quarantine.

1254
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: And I have to say, I hope that you don't win,

1255
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: and I hope that someone that you respect and love

1256
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: says one thing to your face turns around and does another.

1257
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: Even though it was a game, I took it very

1258
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: personally and I forgot to say one thing as I

1259
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: left Zoom to Mary, which means you too, Mary. And

1260
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: let me tell you who said that. Julius Caesar said

1261
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: that when he was stabbed in the back, and you've

1262
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: done that on Instagram to me, Mary Holland, I don't

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01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: think so, honey. And that's one minute. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: Mary Holland, friend of Laura Labnu, I thought friend to me,

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01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: I thought ally an Alliance member to me has voted

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01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: courses icon of the fabled improv group Wild Horses. Check

1267
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: out the new show Robbie on UM YouTube. I guess

1268
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: because Comedy Central. I guess rest in Peace UM, which

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01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: we have not discussed, but I don't think we need to.

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01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: We need. Mary Holland is the star of that show.

1271
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: And let's just say that while you should check out

1272
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: her work, and she's a comedic genius. She's very funny.

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01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: She's a genius. She's actually hello, I love you you

1274
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: call her a comedic genius. And then I followed up

1275
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: with she's very funny, as if that was like you

1276
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 1: contributed there. She actually hurt me very deeply, and I'm

1277
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: waiting for her to reach out, and that has not

1278
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: happened at this time. But do you hope that she

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01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 1: makes it to final tribal council so that you have

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01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 1: a chance to publicly take her to task because or

1281
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: I mean the other scenarios she gets voted off and

1282
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: she joins you in the jury, but like you, you

1283
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 1: won't have a platform to like, you know, really dig

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01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: into her unless she comes on the podcast. Let's just

1285
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: say this. I don't want to speak to her at

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01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: all unless it's at that final tribal council or on

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01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: this podcast. I will not be speaking to her at all.

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01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: So she comes on this podcast, you will not speak

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01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: to her. Don't know. I will speak to her on

1290
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: the podcast, not until then or the final Trabic council. UM.

1291
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: I am very hurt and and and as real a

1292
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: way as you can be by something that happened on Instagram. UM,

1293
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 1: but I don't know. You think. I think we could

1294
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: have gone pretty far together. And she she played game

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01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: on me, and I would respect it if I think

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01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 1: it was a good move for her, but I don't

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01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: think it was. I don't think it was. And I

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01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it, okay, okay, But I just to

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01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: be hurt in this way, and by this way, I

1300
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: mean a moderately real way. UM, based on something that

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01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 1: happened on Instagram during a fake game. UM is really something? Yeah, yeah, okay,

1302
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 1: it's really something. It's really something like and and it's

1303
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: still evolving. Oh yeah. My feelings on it are forming

1304
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 1: a morphing and changing all the time. But UM, while

1305
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 1: I continue to sort that out, it is going to

1306
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: be actually your turn bone to do. I don't think

1307
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: it funny. Are you ready? I'm ready? This is I

1308
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, and his time starts now. I

1309
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. Lip care. I'm holding three things.

1310
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: It's visual, guys. I'm holding lip balm, lip conditioner, and

1311
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 1: lip pack. What the hell is the difference between those

1312
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 1: three things? Why are you inflating the market with different

1313
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 1: names for things when it should only be one thing

1314
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: you put on your lips. It's too much for me

1315
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: to keep track of. Wait, can we can I get confirmation?

1316
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: Have already done this? I don't think so, honey in

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01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: the past. No, right, this is new. This is a

1318
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 1: new frustration that I have because I don't know what

1319
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: the third put on my lips. I still get flaky

1320
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: ass flakes on my levers. That's French for lips. And

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01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything. I don't think there's any

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01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: way out of this for me, and it's really stressing

1323
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: me out, like it's the one thing that I can't

1324
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: figure out. My pores are still enormous, gaping pores on

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01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 1: my face and my flaky ass lips, and I don't

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01:10:55,400 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 1: really know if my face is fixable. I think I'm

1327
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: gonna go into hiding for four years and then four

1328
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: years later you're gonna see me completely transformed and you're

1329
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: gonna start your conversation about me. That's what's going to happen. Okay,

1330
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: and that's one minute. Um. Couple reactions. I don't think

1331
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 1: you've done that before. Um. And if you had, I

1332
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 1: had a moment. If you, if you have, I think

1333
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: everything you do is brand now you as a Toh

1334
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: my god, oh my god. That being said, I'm salty

1335
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 1: because I legit forgot. We were doing a video one

1336
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: and and there you were being very visual with props.

1337
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: Even I am a prop comic and here I am

1338
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: doing it. I don't think so, honey. On a friend

1339
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: of ours, which requires everyone to literally go to another

1340
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: app on Instagram. It's good that you have supplemental material.

1341
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: I have all my my primary stuff with me. It's

1342
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is this is what books you the

1343
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 1: TV gigs and leaves me out there. No, you shut up.

1344
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 1: That wasn't even a good I don't think so, honey.

1345
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:55,759
Speaker 1: I thought it was a great I don't think so, honey.

1346
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: You got your point across. We've got a sense of

1347
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 1: emotionally where you're at. I just I can't. That's I

1348
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: don't know what to do about my lips. I I

1349
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,639
Speaker 1: just complain about domestic problems. Now I'm talking about my plans.

1350
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 1: I'm talking about my lips. It's it's really it's the

1351
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: subject matter is whittling down. Look, i mean, there's only

1352
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: so many things we can engage with in quarantine. And

1353
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: what was I gonna do? I don't think so, honey,

1354
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 1: video and audio set up, Well, that's specific to only us.

1355
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: But I'm sure there are people who can relate. Let's

1356
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 1: just say this. I'm happy to have a ring light.

1357
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: I don't really see a use for it beyond this,

1358
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: to be honest, I mean, my job sent me a

1359
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: ring light and then a light panel and it might stand,

1360
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, but and an eight foot by eight foot

1361
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 1: collapsible green screen that is honestly the most physically taxing

1362
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 1: thing to do. I'm losing my mind. I'm like, I'm

1363
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: I'm I'm living in my place of work. There's no

1364
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: separation between work and leasure. But that's that's not a

1365
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: unique problem. Everyone's going through this. But I'm just saying

1366
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: we're all dealing in different ways. Aren't we? Aren't we?

1367
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 1: But you know, um, this this, this has been an

1368
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 1: episod of last culture recess that was really just you

1369
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: and I negotiating so many different things, new ways of

1370
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:14,759
Speaker 1: thinking about culture, new new technology that is gonna cause

1371
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 1: us to you know, we're grappling with a lot, we're

1372
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: grabbing with a lot. But I think this is ultimately

1373
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: a quantum leap up. It's a leap. It's not it's

1374
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: not a step down. We're stepping up the ladder. I mean,

1375
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 1: I can only speak for myself, and I have so

1376
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: enjoyed like this recording setup because I do love watching

1377
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 1: you like with this like particulate, like not only can

1378
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: I see you very well, almost as if you're here

1379
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: with me, but like you're it's just like the light

1380
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: on your face is just shying you get while you're

1381
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: on television. You look stunning, is what I'm saying. It's

1382
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: washing it. My face is a flat disk. This light

1383
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 1: is really washing me out. You look stunning, I have

1384
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 1: to say. And you're freshly shaven um, which is perfect

1385
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: because you're you're on jury now, so you're you're you're

1386
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: groomed essentially now that I'm on the jury of so

1387
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: At Survivor, Underscoard Quarantine, and I do have to keep

1388
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: showing up in different looks, like looking stunning. You have

1389
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 1: to like now you have to like put like a

1390
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: lip liner on or lip cloths or like eyeliner, something,

1391
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: just a little something to to just rub it in

1392
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 1: their faces that you have you can primp. You know,

1393
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: you gotta show them you can primp what they're You

1394
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: gotta show them what they're missing. I gotta show them

1395
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: what they're missing because they don't have access to the

1396
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: same things as you do. The game. Um, I loved

1397
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: our impressions of Parverty in Sandra. I can't wait. I

1398
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: can't believe we're talking to Parverty next week. Hi, Madam Bowing.

1399
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: This is Sassy Sandra from Survivor. I heard you guys

1400
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 1: were doing fun impressions of me on your podcasts and

1401
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. I'm not gonna listen to the

1402
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: podcast because I don't listen to podcasts. The only show

1403
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 1: I watched is Yes, you guys did Survivor, and on

1404
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: this season we got It's really heating up. You know,

1405
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: Wednesday's at eight on CBS. You can be seeing a

1406
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: lot of my very good friends and also some people

1407
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: that I hate more than death compete to become the

1408
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: winner of two million dollars. But no matter or what

1409
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, Queen's days Queen and that I am Sandra,

1410
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: the sassy girl from the Bronx who one Survivor two times,

1411
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: and then no one else can say that. I gotta

1412
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 1: go because Survivor is coming on. Survivors coming on. Also

1413
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: catch me mentoring on Island of the Idols alongside Boston

1414
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 1: Rob who won only one time, but I won twice.

1415
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: Remember that, Remember that one, Remember that one. Gonna have

1416
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 1: to remember remember that one. Oh, can I just say

1417
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: really quickly, Um, Matt, you put out a call to

1418
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: action on Twitter to leave nice reviews on the on

1419
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 1: the on the Apple podcast. I did, and thank you

1420
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: everyone for doing that. Can I just say, I did

1421
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: a demented thing and I read every single one. They

1422
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: really made me emotional and they made me laugh. I

1423
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 1: was laughing out loud. I mean, people are just writing

1424
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: such beautiful, creative little little word um tapestries. And I

1425
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 1: mean a lot of people really using because I mean,

1426
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,759
Speaker 1: you know, Matt, anytime anyone says gonna have to blank

1427
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: that one automatic, automatic laugh, automatic laugh. And I will

1428
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 1: say thank you so much to everyone for doing that,

1429
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 1: because we did have some crazy trolls who admittedly had

1430
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 1: never listened to the podcast just giving us one star

1431
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 1: and you know the five star uh ratings. They really

1432
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: do help us, not not not only just emotionally and

1433
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 1: that we see them and we we think we feel

1434
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: good about them, but they help us be you know,

1435
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 1: um at charted a little bit more visible, so you know,

1436
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: we we love oh you guys for listening. And I

1437
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: do want to just do a little bit of a

1438
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 1: check in h know that we are loving you in

1439
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 1: quarantine baby. I know I don't know what the every

1440
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: day to day looks like for everyone, but we are

1441
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 1: giving you big hugs. And I just wanted to remind

1442
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: everyone that you can now follow the Instagram and the

1443
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 1: Twitter at Lost Culture rest us both and we are

1444
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: now um fully in control of both of those handles,

1445
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 1: so we are going to be engaging with you guys

1446
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,600
Speaker 1: a little bit more than we usually did on those platforms.

1447
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 1: Shout to Ronnie, thank you for um bequeathing us. The

1448
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: last culture is to handle on Instagram, and we're so

1449
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: excited to look out for some more little little bits

1450
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 1: of content on the channels. I'm using all the right words,

1451
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 1: aren't I. It's so fun, um, I really do, and me. Yeah,

1452
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: just and thank you for checking in with everybody, Matt.

1453
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 1: I also I'm sending everybody big hugs. And I really

1454
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 1: just I am so grateful. I was. I really just

1455
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: kind of went down this fun little gratitude not spiral

1456
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 1: because that has like a connotation to it, but like

1457
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: I was just, um, so we're recording this on Sunday,

1458
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: uh season finale of US, and I was yesterday. I

1459
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: was just very very grateful for um, the people at

1460
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 1: that place, um yeah, the people outside of that place,

1461
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 1: and I was just thinking about how lucky I am

1462
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: to have any kind of support system, um, even through

1463
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 1: people I don't even know. And hopefully this sounds so

1464
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 1: so cloying, but hopefully we you know, we um figure

1465
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 1: into that for you. We are always so so so

1466
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, we're always so I would say you

1467
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 1: and I are like very empathic and we're very loving.

1468
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: I know we're bragging about how like I'm not bragging

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Speaker 1: about how nice we are, just saying, like you and

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Speaker 1: I constantly checking about like how grateful we are for

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Speaker 1: the readers and how just people who listen are so

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Speaker 1: so kind, superlatively kind. It's it's unlikely that we would

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Speaker 1: be doing the stuff that we're doing and as enjoying

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Speaker 1: our lives as much if we hadn't started doing the podcast.

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Speaker 1: And so thank you guys all so much for being

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Speaker 1: an active part of it and for keeping us going

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Speaker 1: for this long. And we're never gonna stop until one

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Speaker 1: of us is dead. Um, and I feel really sad

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Speaker 1: thinking about that. I know, Oh my god, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: we can't do this. I just I just thought about

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Speaker 1: us dying and it's going to happen. Well, it will happen. Actually,

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Speaker 1: it's rule of culture number nineteen. Death will happen. And

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be so sad. So on that note, on

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Speaker 1: that note, um, we actually what we do is we end.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe this is our last episode before PARV.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's this is gonna be a turning

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Speaker 1: point in the season and this season, in the show,

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Speaker 1: in the series. So we're gonna end this episode with

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Speaker 1: a song and it's not it's a song that does

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Speaker 1: not have words. That's my hands. Okay, okay, I don't

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Speaker 1: know like that's it's it's starting to feel a little

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Speaker 1: a little bit, a little weird, a little weird. We're sorry.

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Speaker 1: We'll take us to account accountability culture us account of

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Speaker 1: by culture, and you just know that we are going

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Speaker 1: to oute the second we turn this up, examine that.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye