Speaker 1: Welcome into the NFL Report. James Palmer, Steve Whites with you.
Speaker 1: It's a Monday, but I think the Dolphins are still scoring. Steve,
Speaker 1: we got a packed show for you today. We have
Speaker 1: Leslie Fraser, the former defensive coordinator of the Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 1: breaking down what happened, Devance Joseph and am never Broncos defense.
Speaker 1: Also Omar Owiz, Tom Pellisaro, Jeff Chediaz with us every Monday.
Speaker 1: We got a lot, Steve, and we still didn't even
Speaker 1: mention that there's a lot going on in Kansas City
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's not even on the field, JP.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, every cutaway shot, every cutaway shot before
Speaker 3: they actually cut away from the game, was.
Speaker 2: If Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3: Oh and Travis Kelsey right, Look, he's a Mama Kelsey,
Speaker 3: so I guess the rumors are true he introduced her
Speaker 3: to mama, or at least somebody did up in the suite.
Speaker 3: But you know, I know the conversation is of Taylor
Speaker 3: and of Trav. But JP, here's my take on this. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm not a big conspiracy theory guy, but oh okay,
Speaker 3: this is Patrick's being the ultimate wing man and not
Speaker 3: with the fact that he got Travis five of his
Speaker 3: seven catches in the first half to get Taylor.
Speaker 2: Up in arms like she was. But remember Patrick Mahomes was.
Speaker 3: On a little show this summer called Quarterback, little Netflix
Speaker 3: series that was really, really good. Well, I think he's
Speaker 3: gonna now share and an executive producer credit with Peyton Manning,
Speaker 3: and they're gonna have a spinoff called tight End, right,
Speaker 3: and Travis Kelsey who is gonna be in it? And
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift is there to get everybody and not just
Speaker 3: a football fans.
Speaker 2: I mean, am I off base here? Do you like
Speaker 2: my theory that they're working on this? I like this.
Speaker 2: I think this is what we're really going to play.
Speaker 1: I like the conspiracy theory because also I'm not sure
Speaker 1: how you introduced a woman to your mother within the
Speaker 1: first week or two of dating her.
Speaker 2: We don't know that. We don't know that, don't I don't.
Speaker 1: Know what's happening. Listen before we move on, I also
Speaker 1: say Kansas City is a hot spot for the Pittsburgh Steelers,
Speaker 1: and I'm just happy that in new airport's been built
Speaker 1: because I can can you imagine someone being being stranded
Speaker 1: that long? I've spent some time at the old kCi Airport,
Speaker 1: you know, just fighting for a cold flatbread at off
Speaker 1: the vine or some stuff out of the vending machine.
Speaker 1: But that's neither here nor there's Stave. Luckily they built
Speaker 1: that new beautiful spot there in Kansas City. And one
Speaker 1: of the guys that I used to play in Kansas City,
Speaker 1: his name's Tyreek Hill, said a lot of things this,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple off seasons when he went to Miami, Steve,
Speaker 1: if you remember, maybe we should be remembering what Tyreek
Speaker 1: Hill was saying about his quarterback to a tunguea bi lo,
Speaker 1: how accurate he was, how much he thought of his
Speaker 1: new quarterback. Because they put up seventy points on Sean
Speaker 1: Payton and the Denver Broncos. That's a seven zero most
Speaker 1: points since nineteen sixty six. Could have easily broken the
Speaker 1: points and the yardage marks. But really let off the gas.
Speaker 1: What's your initial take on Miami, because we will with
Speaker 1: Leslie Frasier get to the Broncos side of things in
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, this is stunning, right, seventy points
Speaker 3: in an NFL game, which spells a lot of things,
Speaker 3: like your offense is running efficiently. You're just totally dominating
Speaker 3: a team and also made question the effort of the
Speaker 3: opposing team. Now we're just showing a play right here,
Speaker 3: the shovel pass where two fakes a left handed no
Speaker 3: looks at right handed. What people don't know the onely
Speaker 3: thing TWA does left handed is throw. Everything else he
Speaker 3: does is right handed, So that was kind of natural
Speaker 3: to him right there.
Speaker 2: But let me tell you something.
Speaker 3: But if I'm Mike McDaniel heading into next year's game
Speaker 3: with Buffalo, here's what I would do with this game
Speaker 3: tape that was just absolute perfection. I would put it
Speaker 3: in the archives and not let my team think that
Speaker 3: they're anything interesting special going into Buffalo, because you might say, look,
Speaker 3: our offense is so great, we're flying. Look at how
Speaker 3: we ran all of these great plays you know outside
Speaker 3: and things are working in the run game where Devon
Speaker 3: a Chain and Raheem Mostert they combined for eight touchdowns in.
Speaker 2: The run in pass game.
Speaker 3: I would stash that and say, look, the week before
Speaker 3: we had problems scoring against the New England Pagets, who
Speaker 3: are in a division. It only gave us twenty four
Speaker 3: and we had to work for those. Buffalo is going
Speaker 3: to be the same way. So as good as we
Speaker 3: may feel about hanging a record seventy points, good gosh
Speaker 3: on the Broncos, I put it away for now and
Speaker 3: save that for the postseason highlight tape.
Speaker 1: Aren't you a buzzkill?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What did you do to you ever celebrate any of
Speaker 1: your three sons accomplishments in any athletics or did you
Speaker 1: just always go well, you know you could have done better?
Speaker 1: Come on, listen. What I do look at this tape
Speaker 1: and I look at what happened and watching almost all
Speaker 1: of this game on Sunday, is we are seeing a really,
Speaker 1: really good marriage between one of the most dynamic, innovative
Speaker 1: play callers out there in Mike McDaniel, and a quarterback
Speaker 1: that is able to operate it the way he wants
Speaker 1: it to be operated. What we're seeing is the balls
Speaker 1: out extremely quick. And the reason I bring that up, Steve,
Speaker 1: is what Mike McDaniel does is he puts all of
Speaker 1: these guys and positions to do what make sure they
Speaker 1: play to their strengths and he hides their deficiencies. I
Speaker 1: think that's the part that maybe stands out to me
Speaker 1: the most is when maybe their biggest weakness as an
Speaker 1: offense is pass protection is protecting Tua. What happens, We
Speaker 1: have a bunch of guys that get open extremely quickly
Speaker 1: and the balls out of his hand extremely quickly. Don't
Speaker 1: quote me on these numbers, but I believe this season
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is the only one that's gotten the football
Speaker 1: out faster than Tua has this season. So I think
Speaker 1: the other part Steve that jumps out of me is
Speaker 1: they just kind of have started this marriage with one another.
Speaker 1: This is their second season together and we're three games
Speaker 1: in and it looks like they can almost do anything
Speaker 1: because of the weapons that Tua has around him and
Speaker 1: the balance.
Speaker 3: That they have all right, but JP, we could see
Speaker 3: that they could do almost anything. We know they played
Speaker 3: well against the Chargers in the opener, but again think
Speaker 3: back to New England.
Speaker 2: They had to fight for all twenty.
Speaker 1: Four of them and now that was a good game plan,
Speaker 1: and I would think Buffalo would do something similar to that.
Speaker 1: Take away the middle of the field, take away Tyreek.
Speaker 1: We know what the routes too, likes to likes to
Speaker 1: go towards right. You would think that's similar to what
Speaker 1: Buffalo is gonna go do. Who took the ball away
Speaker 1: a bunch in the on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Correct, So again, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And by the way, there are no participation trophies in
Speaker 3: the White household.
Speaker 2: You have to earn them.
Speaker 3: I know kids would have got they would have gotten
Speaker 3: a blue ribbon for seventy points.
Speaker 2: But it's only week three. You don't win championships in September.
Speaker 3: But yes, I would say, you know, well done by
Speaker 3: the Dolphins, but save it for those reasons. There are
Speaker 3: no Lombardi trophies. Hands it out in September.
Speaker 1: Interesting, you got anything left on this other than we
Speaker 1: still don't know how to pronounce a chain's name A chain.
Speaker 3: Andrew Cecilian and I were on a draft show, and
Speaker 3: Andrew asked him how to pronounce it. He said, a chain,
Speaker 3: I know, Peter King and the confident.
Speaker 2: He said, it's a chan.
Speaker 1: But maybe now the.
Speaker 3: Team is coming out, well, I mean maybe field, now
Speaker 3: the team.
Speaker 1: Is coming out. Okay, all right, unbelievable, unbelievab all right.
Speaker 1: Let le's let's move on to uh a surprise team
Speaker 1: getting a w in time?
Speaker 3: Steve, Yeah, absolutely, that's the Indianapolis Colts, and that leads
Speaker 3: an entire discussion right here JP about three first year
Speaker 3: coaches getting dubbs, all upset dubs. And you look at
Speaker 3: the Indianapolis Colts in this game, and remember last week
Speaker 3: the last two shows we did. Boy, were we jock
Speaker 3: riding the Baltimore Ravens and how great their offense was
Speaker 3: and everything off? Yes, yeah, I mean, but look, I'm
Speaker 3: not off It's one game. But the fact that Shane
Speaker 3: Steichen has got so many things going and one this
Speaker 3: defense is playing a lot better than I think anybody
Speaker 3: expect him to play. Right, So they went there and
Speaker 3: they really put the clamps down on this high flying
Speaker 3: offense that we were talking about was going to be
Speaker 3: so great. Yes, weather factored into it, but Gardner minshew also,
Speaker 3: this is the second straight win by the Colts. He
Speaker 3: comes in when Anthony Richardson, who's played well got hurt
Speaker 3: last week, led them to victory, and then he comes
Speaker 3: in here and moves the ball efficiently down the field
Speaker 3: and doesn't turn it over on a day like this,
Speaker 3: This is very important. So the Colts, they're a team
Speaker 3: in this division that we did not see right now
Speaker 3: getting off to this type of start JP. So props
Speaker 3: to Saint Steiken and what he's doing in his first
Speaker 3: year in Indy.
Speaker 1: I think he deserves a ton of credit for what
Speaker 1: he's doing. Look at what he had to deal with
Speaker 1: before they even played a game. What did Chris Ballard,
Speaker 1: their general manager, says, Steve It sucks. It all sucks.
Speaker 1: It sucks from every angle. Chris Baller couldn't stop saying
Speaker 1: sucks in the press conference with what Shane Styken had
Speaker 1: to deal with with Jonathan Taylor. And it's not like
Speaker 1: you know, it was just a distraction from that standpoint,
Speaker 1: it's your best player on your team that he's still
Speaker 1: coaching without right now and has been the distraction. They
Speaker 1: can get Jonathan Taylor back after Week four to add
Speaker 1: to this offense that rushed for one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: nine yards against the Ravens last on Sunday. You could
Speaker 1: add Jonathan Taylor to this group. And I think the
Speaker 1: job that he's done with Anthony Richardson so far now,
Speaker 1: the issue is he hasn't finished the two games that
Speaker 1: he started. It didn't play in this game because of
Speaker 1: the concussion protocol. But I think you and I could
Speaker 1: both agree that how few games he played at the
Speaker 1: collegiate level. He looked beyond comfortable out there, and that
Speaker 1: a lot has to do with how he was set
Speaker 1: up to succeed by Shane Stike. And I think Shane's
Speaker 1: done a tremendous job. They're leading the division now. The
Speaker 1: other team that has a first year head coach in
Speaker 1: Demiico Ryans in the Houston Texans. Dimiko got his first
Speaker 1: win Steve over another AFC South team, the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 1: Will get to Doug Pearson's Jaguars. But what do you
Speaker 1: think about Demico and his first win and what we've
Speaker 1: seen out of Houston.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look a huge upset thirty seven to seventeen.
Speaker 3: But what was so great about this win was it
Speaker 3: was a complete team win. Right, You've have Bill Anderson
Speaker 3: blocking a fuel goal. You've got your fullback taking eighty
Speaker 3: five yard kick eighty five yard to the house. It
Speaker 3: took him about seventeen seconds, right, but it was the
Speaker 3: most beautiful, fast motion slow you should kick off return
Speaker 3: ever to do that.
Speaker 2: And then CJ.
Speaker 3: Stroud comes out and plays really well. Our road game
Speaker 3: plays really good circumstances. And I want to get this
Speaker 3: over to you because you know, we know last week
Speaker 3: Brian Robinson, the running back for the Washington Commanders, came
Speaker 3: here and made you feel bad about Ohio State.
Speaker 2: But CJ.
Speaker 3: Stroud came in here off the big Buckeye victory over
Speaker 3: Notre Dame and.
Speaker 2: Has a fantastic game. And it's not just a fantastic
Speaker 2: game JP, c J.
Speaker 3: Stroud has played pretty well and his first three starts
Speaker 3: to go with.
Speaker 1: That pretty well. This is one of the best starts
Speaker 1: we've ever seen from a quarterback in their first three
Speaker 1: NFL starts. He's got over nine hundred yards. I think
Speaker 1: that's third all time through a player's first three games.
Speaker 1: He hasn't thrown interception yet, which is mar I think
Speaker 1: he's got four touchdowns and also real quick back to
Speaker 1: the buck Eys. You know he talked to after this
Speaker 1: win on the phone from the locker room, Ryan Day,
Speaker 1: head coach of the buck Guys. Him and Ryan were
Speaker 1: chatting on the phone a little bit while he was
Speaker 1: still in the locker room after this, after this win,
Speaker 1: and I talked to some people down in Houston Monday morning,
Speaker 1: and the two things that jump out of me most
Speaker 1: Steve is this with Dimiko Ryans. They don't obviously realize
Speaker 1: that that this thing is like off and running, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get ten wins. But the foundation that they're laying,
Speaker 1: and that's what you're mentioning with complimentary football, doing things
Speaker 1: from every aspect of the three phases of football, they
Speaker 1: do feel like players are buying in. I think that's huge,
Speaker 1: even after an zer and two start. But the stuff
Speaker 1: about Stroud that I was told was just, you know,
Speaker 1: already for coaches to say Steve that he gives us
Speaker 1: a chance in every game and this is his third game.
Speaker 1: What jumps out to Tamiko Ryans the most is that
Speaker 1: he gets better every week. He corrects his mistakes extremely quickly.
Speaker 1: He told Albert Breer of SI or good buddied fella Buckey,
Speaker 1: no big deal, that he really nobody on the team
Speaker 1: studies harder than he does. He puts in more work
Speaker 1: studying than anybody else. And I think what we've seen
Speaker 1: from Stroud that stands out to me the most before
Speaker 1: we get to Jacksonville. My last point on this is
Speaker 1: he has already understood the importance of limiting negative plays,
Speaker 1: and I think that's extremely big for a young quarterback
Speaker 1: to understand early. Is that if I don't hurt my team.
Speaker 1: Negative plays can come back to bite his very quickly.
Speaker 1: And he hasn't thrown a pick yet. He's already learned
Speaker 1: behind a shoddy offensive line how to get rid of
Speaker 1: the football. The growth in that aspect, even with the
Speaker 1: run game not being what they thought it would be,
Speaker 1: so far early on him learning those things early on,
Speaker 1: He's growing by leaps and bounds. It's been wild. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, but I'm not surprised that's a Buckeye.
Speaker 2: No, I'm sure you aren't.
Speaker 3: Brian Robinson sens his best regards as well, so does
Speaker 3: Lou Holtz.
Speaker 2: But look coasting the two teams that we thought were
Speaker 2: going to be leading this division at this point. Tennessee.
Speaker 3: They get held under one hundred yards of offense by
Speaker 3: the Browns this week. But the Jaguars, right, they were
Speaker 3: the team.
Speaker 2: And look, nobody's out of it in this division.
Speaker 3: But we thought they would have a little mojo, right,
Speaker 3: Calvin Ridley coming in, Trevor Lawrence, some of the moves
Speaker 3: that they made to further bolster their team. JP They
Speaker 3: are not playing good defensive football right now, and offensively
Speaker 3: they still seem to have a lot of things to
Speaker 3: work through in large part of the offensive line has
Speaker 3: not played well. They just seem little disjointed. Doug Peterson, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Doug Peterson came out and said, Hey, maybe.
Speaker 2: They're just trying to live up to the hype too much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, reading your press clippings does not comments you want
Speaker 1: to come out of your head coach's mouth this early.
Speaker 1: I thought they would come out of the gates, Gangbuster, Steve,
Speaker 1: considering how they finished the regular season last year and
Speaker 1: how excited they were for the start of this season
Speaker 1: with the way that they played and coming so close
Speaker 1: and arrowhead in that postseason game. I'm curious with everything
Speaker 1: Doug Peters had set after the game and set on
Speaker 1: Monday in terms of there was a lack of effort
Speaker 1: at times, that there was more energy coming from the
Speaker 1: Houston Texans that they're getting beat in the trenches. You
Speaker 1: mentioned the offensive line. There's no pass rush there either
Speaker 1: mentioned the offensive line issues for the Texans. C. J.
Speaker 1: Stroud wasn't sacked once, and that's that's on the defensive line,
Speaker 1: I think more so of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Before we
Speaker 1: get to break, my last point would be this, Steve
Speaker 1: that I think maybe the trip to London might be
Speaker 1: best for them. In two weeks, They're gonna spend two
Speaker 1: weeks over there play back to back games in London.
Speaker 1: If there's issues with distractions, reading press clippings, things like that,
Speaker 1: maybe going across the pond as they say.
Speaker 2: Oh, you didn't do it, dude.
Speaker 1: Come on, Nobody over there likes that phrase. Nobody over
Speaker 1: there likes that phrase. Just to like you hear that,
Speaker 1: Let you hear that. I'm gonna ask Tom if he
Speaker 1: likes to use across the pond. Coming up, we got
Speaker 1: Tom Pelis Sarah coming up after the break. He's gonna
Speaker 1: give us a boatload of info. He was at the
Speaker 1: game between the Chargers and Vikings. He's got tons of
Speaker 1: things from that game. Also, Omar Rowiez was at that
Speaker 1: stunner where the Cowboys went down to the Cardinals. Ward
Speaker 1: of the NFL Report coming up, Back of.
Speaker 3: The NFL Report and Jay Palmer and Iron now joined
Speaker 3: by Tom Pella Serra, one third of the Insiders, which
Speaker 3: you can catch daily on NFL Network and on NFL Plus.
Speaker 2: Tom, thanks so much for joining us. You know you
Speaker 2: got a busy day. Could you catch us up?
Speaker 3: First off, on some injury stage quarterback, you're car Charges
Speaker 3: wide receiver Mike Williams.
Speaker 4: Let's start out with on Derek Carr.
Speaker 5: Steve Who Tennis Allen, the Saints head coach, just confirmed
Speaker 5: a short time ago, is dealing with an ac joint spring.
Speaker 5: Alan says that Carr is week to week. Also says
Speaker 5: they're not even gonna rule him out for this week's
Speaker 5: game against the Buccaneers. As Alan put it, we dodged
Speaker 5: a bullet here that it wasn't something more significant. You
Speaker 5: can see him getting ragged all to the ground there
Speaker 5: by Rashaan Gary against the Packers in Sunday's game. Car
Speaker 5: ended up in a local hospital undergoing further evaluation. That
Speaker 5: often happens when you have an injury that potentially could
Speaker 5: lead to something being punctured or some type of an
Speaker 5: internal thing. He underwent tests. It was not that severe.
Speaker 5: Now it's going to be a matter of how quickly
Speaker 5: does he heal, how quickly does the pain the swelling
Speaker 5: go away.
Speaker 4: That will guide where the Saints go a quarterback.
Speaker 5: If Carr can't go, then Jameis Winston would presumably be
Speaker 5: the next man up. The news not as good on
Speaker 5: Chargers wide receiver Mike Williams. He suffered a torn eight
Speaker 5: in Sunday's win over the Vikings. The Chargers knew it
Speaker 5: was bad on the field just looking at the mechanism
Speaker 5: of the injury. They weren't entirely certain until Williams underwent
Speaker 5: the MRI on Monday, but that confirmed as a season
Speaker 5: ending type of an injury for Mike Williams at a
Speaker 5: time that LA is going to be coming off of
Speaker 5: their first win of the season in thrillian fashion against
Speaker 5: the Vikings. Now, obviously they still have the likes of
Speaker 5: Keenan Allen and Joshua Palmer. First round pick Quintin Johnston
Speaker 5: now begins to come to the forefront here, not entirely
Speaker 5: the exact same skill set as of Mike Williams, but
Speaker 5: there have been some encouraging moments for Johnson so far
Speaker 5: during training camp. Now he's going to get his shot
Speaker 5: for real beginning this week.
Speaker 1: So, Tom, you were at this game, and that's why
Speaker 1: I kind of want to ask you this question, and
Speaker 1: it's in two parts, and you handle that two part
Speaker 1: or brilliantly, So I think this is going to be
Speaker 1: a walk in the park for you. Like J. C.
Speaker 1: Jackson is a healthy scratch right, and you know what
Speaker 1: you're paying him as a corner. That's a, I think,
Speaker 1: just a microcosm of what's happened to this Chargers defense
Speaker 1: so far. The other part of it is we talk
Speaker 1: about Mike Williams going down, but we've seen Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: and Justin Herbert just kind of hit the ground running
Speaker 1: offensively in the way that they performed on that side
Speaker 1: of the ball. Tell me about that marriage offensively, But
Speaker 1: also if they just play okay defense, can the Chargers go.
Speaker 2: On a run here?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 5: First of all, James, I think it's important to note
Speaker 5: that the Chargers have been dealing with some injuries so
Speaker 5: far on defense. Joey Bosa, who's their star pass rusher,
Speaker 5: only played a very limited number of snaps in Week two.
Speaker 5: We played a little bit more in Week three, but
Speaker 5: they don't have him entirely full go yet. Or when
Speaker 5: James dropped out with an injury on Sunday, Jase Jackson
Speaker 5: not active because of non injury related reasons, and they're
Speaker 5: middle linebacker Eric Kendricks, the former Viking, also not out
Speaker 5: there right now as he deals with a hamstring injury.
Speaker 5: So you've got a lot of moving parts. I thought
Speaker 5: that it was notable that when the Chargers went for
Speaker 5: it on that fourth and one did not get it
Speaker 5: at their own twenty four yard line, the LA defense
Speaker 5: was challenged there. They were going to have to save
Speaker 5: the day for these and sure enough, the backup to
Speaker 5: Eric Kendricks Ben Nieman is the one who's got blanket
Speaker 5: coverage on the NFL's highest paid tight end, TJ. Hawkinson
Speaker 5: knocks that ball into the air. Kenneth Murray comes up
Speaker 5: with an interception. It's not where anyone would like. They've
Speaker 5: had to adjust some things in terms of how they're
Speaker 5: playing Schematically, they're a little bit different than what historically
Speaker 5: for Brandon Staley coming out of that vic Fango type
Speaker 5: scheme is a shell defense. This year we've seen them
Speaker 5: play a lot more man cover one, so they've had
Speaker 5: to make some adjustments based on who's on the field.
Speaker 6: Here.
Speaker 5: You saw them going with a different lineup at corner.
Speaker 5: They thought that that gave him the best chance to win.
Speaker 5: It was not entirely clean. Justin Jefferson, it seems like
Speaker 5: it's going to get one hundred and fifty yards on
Speaker 5: everybody he.
Speaker 4: Faces on it.
Speaker 5: They did not break in the biggest moment in that game,
Speaker 5: and La is able to come away with a win.
Speaker 5: As for Kellen Moore and that marriage with Justin Herbert,
Speaker 5: I think that that's been you know, there's certainly been
Speaker 5: bumps like you would anticipate coming out of the gate.
Speaker 5: They did stay in Justin Herbert's language, which was a
Speaker 5: big deal. In other words, they didn't change all the terminology.
Speaker 5: They wanted him to have that level of consistency as
Speaker 5: he moved move forward here it's more vertical passing than
Speaker 5: he's done in the past. You saw some of those
Speaker 5: big plays, So keenan Allen make a big play throwing
Speaker 5: the football down the field too. Remember they haven't had
Speaker 5: Austin Eckler for these past two games because of an
Speaker 5: ankle injury. Well, what happens when you don't have Austin
Speaker 5: Eckler and no offense to Josh Kelly. You've got different
Speaker 5: backs in the backfield. Nobody's respecting the run. They're beginning
Speaker 5: to play to take away the pass here, and that
Speaker 5: didn't change a whole lot. You did this, Leslie Frazier mentioned,
Speaker 5: have a lot more blitzer that the Vikers were trying
Speaker 5: to throw at Justin Herbert. They still were able to
Speaker 5: get those explosives. And I don't know how old Keenan
Speaker 5: Allen is at this point. He's like thirty four. He
Speaker 5: still looks like he's absolutely in his prime and had
Speaker 5: a monster day against the Vikings.
Speaker 3: He's thirty one. In the words of Brandis Daily, he
Speaker 3: still has his stinger. Tom, we got about oh, sorry seconds.
Speaker 4: Added three years for you there, that's all right.
Speaker 2: But we got about forty five seconds.
Speaker 1: Way, he looks, I think you're accurate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kirk Cousins three. A lot of conversation about potential trade.
Speaker 3: Could the Vikings just dump him? Is that feasible?
Speaker 2: Like? Why why would they dump him? Right now? Over
Speaker 2: to one three?
Speaker 3: But could he potentially be moved?
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, Kirk Cousins has a no trade clause,
Speaker 5: so he would have to approve any deal. And if
Speaker 5: your cousins and you're trying to get to one more
Speaker 5: big time pay day, it's Kirk Cousins. Maybe he's got
Speaker 5: three more big paydays, but at least one more come March.
Speaker 5: Going to a new team that maybe isn't the best situation,
Speaker 5: not having the familiarity. There's some potential dangers in that
Speaker 5: the Vikings also, even though they're owen three here, I
Speaker 5: have not gotten any sense that they look at this
Speaker 5: and say we got to tear it down, trade everybody
Speaker 5: and start over. They've been challenged out of the gate,
Speaker 5: They've played a bunch of close games. They won all
Speaker 5: those close games last year. This year all one possession games,
Speaker 5: all losses. But you don't go out and trade for
Speaker 5: cam Akers. You don't go and sol sign Dalton Riisner
Speaker 5: two moves they made last week. If you're not anticipating
Speaker 5: we still could be competitive right now in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 5: Maybe we're having a different conversation as we get closer
Speaker 5: to the trade deadline here, But right now, guys, I
Speaker 5: would not say that that is the focus for the
Speaker 5: Vikings here, still trying to figure out, okay, what's our
Speaker 5: path forward to be competing in the NFC North where
Speaker 5: this point two games back, but a long way to go.
Speaker 2: Tom Pete, thank you.
Speaker 1: I can't believe Tom, real quick, Tom, I can't believe
Speaker 1: that you would undersell Kirk Cousins like that and say
Speaker 1: he only has three more paydays left. I mean, I
Speaker 1: can't believe you would disrespect kirk guarantee money three more
Speaker 1: pay days I.
Speaker 5: Think twenty fifteen, so he's on year nine consecutively of
Speaker 5: having fully guaranteed money. Listen, it's gonna be an interesting
Speaker 5: quarterback here because you've got Ryan Tannehill is also pending
Speaker 5: free agent. You've got uncertain features from a bunch of
Speaker 5: guys right now who are currently under contract with teams.
Speaker 5: Maybe there are trades that happen in the offseason. Also,
Speaker 5: as a quarterback class in the draft that is considered
Speaker 5: to be really, really good.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be fascinating. Thank goodness.
Speaker 5: We're still like six months away from that, but it's
Speaker 5: not that far away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I know you have to wait about it.
Speaker 3: Can't wait for that. It's gonna be good. Tom Pete,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for joining us. Brother, Get some rest,
Speaker 3: all right. And in the big upset of the weekend
Speaker 3: in the desert, the Arizona Cardinals spring for an upset
Speaker 3: of the Dallas Cowboys, who everybody thought we're gonna go
Speaker 3: seventeen and oh but Arizona oh to two.
Speaker 2: Start very competitive.
Speaker 3: Each of those games. See Josh Dobbs, a quarterback, come
Speaker 3: here and lead the upset. So let's bring in our
Speaker 3: Omar Ruiz, who was at that game.
Speaker 2: Omar, you went.
Speaker 3: Into the Cardinals locker room after that game, what was
Speaker 3: it like? Because this is a team everyone said, Oh,
Speaker 3: they're gonna be drafting the first overall pick next year.
Speaker 2: They're gonna absolutely stink.
Speaker 3: But they had every game in every game this year
Speaker 3: and then they upset the Cowboys.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, they have a locker room full of confidence.
Speaker 8: This is a team that feels they should be three
Speaker 8: and oh and all that stuff about thinking the Cardinals
Speaker 8: are going to be the first pick in the draft
Speaker 8: and all the naysayers. They've heard of all that, not
Speaker 8: necessarily through media reports, but Cavon Wallace and Kaisier White
Speaker 8: both said that their family members have been them about
Speaker 8: how badly the Cowboys were gonna beat them, and they're
Speaker 8: looking forward to getting back at their family members. So
Speaker 8: it's a team with growing confidence that never stopped believing
Speaker 8: in themselves even in those deficient games against Washington and
Speaker 8: against the New York Giants. So for them to capitalize
Speaker 8: on the Dallas Cowboys at home was big for them.
Speaker 1: Omro, I'm curious what the take is being there and
Speaker 1: in the locker room with players talking about their head
Speaker 1: coach Jonathan Gannon and his first season as a head coach.
Speaker 1: To me talking to people in Arizona Monday morning, it
Speaker 1: was this, we might have blown leads in second half
Speaker 1: of both of our first two games, but what does
Speaker 1: it show us in the first half when our team
Speaker 1: came out what appears to be prepared, probably not as
Speaker 1: talented as most of the teams in the NFL. Let's
Speaker 1: just be entirely honest, and they're smart, made good decisions
Speaker 1: to get those double digit leads early. Something's going right
Speaker 1: early in these games. And the people in Arizona I
Speaker 1: talked to point two, that's coaching right, that's preparing your
Speaker 1: players during the week in the early portion of the games.
Speaker 1: Maybe we have to learn how to win as part
Speaker 1: of that. What's the take with this team and Jonathan Gannon,
Speaker 1: Because to me, this is maybe Steve in all honesty,
Speaker 1: looking at all three of their games, one of the
Speaker 1: bigger surprises of a team coming out and playing as
Speaker 1: well as Arizona has with the talent that they have.
Speaker 8: Well, I think the complete buy in for Jonathan Gannon
Speaker 8: has been there, and that's something that I've seen since
Speaker 8: OTAs all through Mini camp training, camp and now the
Speaker 8: regular season. It's interesting to point out the fact that
Speaker 8: they've outscored their opponents fifty four to twenty in the
Speaker 8: first half of the season.
Speaker 7: So to your point, they're coming out prepared, they have a.
Speaker 8: Solid game plan, and you figured they've had a good
Speaker 8: they would have a good game plan against Dallas, specifically
Speaker 8: on defense, given Jonathan Gannon and Nick Rales, the Cardinals
Speaker 8: defensive coordinators history in the NFC East with the Philadelphia Eagles,
Speaker 8: And I asked Jonathan Gannon after the game, what tangible
Speaker 8: lessons maybe they learned from those first two losses, because
Speaker 8: of course they kept saying that they have to finish
Speaker 8: and they have to change how they finished games. But
Speaker 8: what tangibly might have they worked more diligently to finish
Speaker 8: this And he said, you know, if they're going to
Speaker 8: allow teams to go down the field of them, don't
Speaker 8: allow them to go quickly. In other words, limit the
Speaker 8: explosive plays. And that's something they did against the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 8: And then to buckle up in the red zone, and
Speaker 8: we saw Dallas go one.
Speaker 7: For five in the red area.
Speaker 8: Kaizer White that big interception on Dak Prescott to essentially
Speaker 8: seal the game. And what was interesting is White said
Speaker 8: in that play call. Throughout the week at practice he
Speaker 8: kept messing it up, but obviously in the game did
Speaker 8: not mess it up when it mattered most. And he
Speaker 8: said he was on point the entire game, even though
Speaker 8: he struggled with it during the week.
Speaker 7: But yeah, this is a team that's bought in.
Speaker 8: And I asked Gannon also, did you need this win,
Speaker 8: you know, to validate everything for the foundation you guys
Speaker 8: are laying and he said, no, you know what they
Speaker 8: do on a daily basis. You know they believe in
Speaker 8: their process driven, not necessarily results driven. That's something he's
Speaker 8: been preaching the entire offseason. But certainly feels good to
Speaker 8: get that win and something that you know they don't
Speaker 8: necessarily feel validated by, but understand it's a results driven league.
Speaker 2: Soids again getting a w and coach speak.
Speaker 3: According to Omar right there, Hey, oh, we appreciate you,
Speaker 3: I tell you what. With the way Josh Dobbs is
Speaker 3: playing right now too, I think that is something we
Speaker 3: need to keep watching because he's playing at a starting
Speaker 3: quarterback level. Omar, Luiz, we appreciate you joining us here
Speaker 3: on the block. And coming up, JP, we are going
Speaker 3: to get some insight from one of.
Speaker 2: The best defensive coaches in the.
Speaker 3: NFL past few decades, passing my ideas on that Broncos defense.
Speaker 3: We had no d in it on Sunday against the
Speaker 3: Dolphins here on the NFL Report.
Speaker 6: I'll be brief.
Speaker 7: Obviously that was embarrassing and.
Speaker 6: Tough to watch.
Speaker 8: Aside from the kick return, there weren't a lot of
Speaker 8: positives to take from that game.
Speaker 6: I know that you said it's embarrassing, but this is
Speaker 6: kind of an historic game. I'm third time the team
Speaker 6: has scored seventy points over seven. What's the question?
Speaker 4: I mean, what's the question?
Speaker 6: I just finished telling you historically embarrassing. Next question.
Speaker 3: As Broncos coach Sean Payton hitting a reporter with the
Speaker 3: next question, James Palmer, we are now joined by a
Speaker 3: former NFL head coach when we're a longtime defensive coordinator
Speaker 3: and class of twenty twenty three Black College Football Hall
Speaker 3: of Famer Leslie Fraser, who's now a.
Speaker 2: Member of our NFL Network crew. Least good seeing you.
Speaker 6: Good, good to be here.
Speaker 9: Thank you guys for having.
Speaker 2: Me, absolutely so.
Speaker 3: Lest We're starting right there, start right there, seventy stacks, right,
Speaker 3: they got seventy points hung on them.
Speaker 2: From what you saw in that game. We know the Dolphins.
Speaker 3: Dolphins offense is explosive, but what is going on with
Speaker 3: that Broncos defense to get abused like it did?
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, first thing, Steve, you know, just seeing that
Speaker 9: tone by Sean that press conference, that gives you an
Speaker 9: idea or probably what everyone is spilling in that locker
Speaker 9: room as well. I mean, as a coordinator in this
Speaker 9: league on defense, no one wants to experience what those
Speaker 9: guys experienced yesterday. And yeah, there's gonna be some humbling
Speaker 9: moments during your season if you're in this league long enough,
Speaker 9: but to experience what they did yesterday, it just I mean,
Speaker 9: Sean said it was embarrassing in so many.
Speaker 6: Ways, but that happens in this league.
Speaker 9: But what I saw was at times the tackling wasn't
Speaker 9: what you wanted to be. Obviously, there's some things and
Speaker 9: they can do better schematically. And I know Vance Joseph,
Speaker 9: he's a really good football coach, good guy, and he's
Speaker 9: gonna work as hard as he can to get things
Speaker 9: turned around. I know that meeting today with the players
Speaker 9: is a tough one. But you can see even on
Speaker 9: the clip that you're showing the tackling man, it just
Speaker 9: showed up over and over and over again. Nobody could
Speaker 9: find a way to make a play. And at some point,
Speaker 9: you know, you want to try to stop the bleeding,
Speaker 9: someone has to stand up and make a play, and
Speaker 9: that just didn't happen in that ball game yesterday. So
Speaker 9: you really want to go back to the fundamentals and
Speaker 9: the technique that's necessary to help you to improve. And
Speaker 9: then you got to go back and say, what about
Speaker 9: our scheme? You know, what are we gonna have to
Speaker 9: do schematically to get this fixed? And they've got some
Speaker 9: issues that's obvious based on what happened this past weekend,
Speaker 9: then even a week before when Washington was able to
Speaker 9: come back in the second half. I mean, so there's
Speaker 9: some things that have to be worked out and they've
Speaker 9: got a lot of work ahead of them. But that
Speaker 9: was that was tough to watch for everyone.
Speaker 1: You're exactly right, when you give up over three hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty yards running and over three hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: yards passing, the balance of the beatdown almost hurts even
Speaker 1: even worse. Let's push this forward to some other because
Speaker 1: I want to pick your brain in terms of putting
Speaker 1: your coaching hat on here and Brandon Staley and it
Speaker 1: is one fifty one remaining in the game. It is
Speaker 1: fourth in inches, they're up by four from their own
Speaker 1: twenty four. Now, analytics will tell you that this is
Speaker 1: what they should do, go for it. I want to
Speaker 1: know from a coaching standpoint on the sideline, what would
Speaker 1: go through your mind, your staff. I kind of just
Speaker 1: want to get a feel for this whole moment and
Speaker 1: what you think what would be your kind of your
Speaker 1: your process.
Speaker 9: Well, from an operational standpoint, James, you know you you
Speaker 9: probably have someone in your your one of your analytics
Speaker 9: guys talking about the probability of success if you go forward,
Speaker 9: and you may have a coach on your staff, your
Speaker 9: assistant head coach, if you have one or one of
Speaker 9: your confidence who's telling you on the headset, Hey, coach,
Speaker 9: they need a touchdown to win the game. They have
Speaker 9: no time out. If we punt, make them keep the
Speaker 9: ball in bounds, there's a very good chance we're gonna
Speaker 9: win this game on defense if we punt the football
Speaker 9: and make them have to go to the lift of
Speaker 9: the field. So you're hearing that and you've got to
Speaker 9: be able to dissect that information and then make a decision.
Speaker 9: And you know, Brandon made the decision to go forward.
Speaker 9: The analytics didn't work, and you know, at there are
Speaker 9: times where you need to override analytics and sometimes go
Speaker 9: based on how your team is performing or where you
Speaker 9: are in the ball game. And didn't make a decision
Speaker 9: as a head coach, and in this case, he made
Speaker 9: the decision and it almost backfar.
Speaker 3: But let's se Okay, this is the question I've had
Speaker 3: because you know, we know Brandon loves to do this stuff,
Speaker 3: play this analytics game, go for it on fourth down.
Speaker 2: You talked about the situation of the game.
Speaker 3: They got Kirk Cousin and Justin Jefferson and you just
Speaker 3: gave them twenty four yards to get into the end zone.
Speaker 3: If not for some nincome poop behavior that they did
Speaker 3: when they got the ball back, they would have won
Speaker 3: that ball game. So is there anyone who could get
Speaker 3: in Brandon Staley's ear and say do not do this
Speaker 3: and it do not run a fullback dive over the right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it wasn't a freaking spectacular play.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, personally, I don't I don't want to
Speaker 9: second guess the play call.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 9: The hindsight, you could say maybe they should have run
Speaker 9: a different play. But going forward in that situation is
Speaker 9: what I have a bigger problem with, not so much
Speaker 9: to play call. And it's just the defense was probably
Speaker 9: playing as better than they played in the first couple
Speaker 9: of weeks. Yes, so make Minnesota thankful to drive the
Speaker 9: field and and and make them have to make some plays. Uh,
Speaker 9: but you know they chose not to do that, and
Speaker 9: it almost cost them uh to end up.
Speaker 1: Being oh and three.
Speaker 9: Fortunately, Minnesota doesn't spike the ball when they had an
Speaker 9: opportunity to to try to gather themselves, especially with TJ.
Speaker 9: Hockinson being a little bit banged up and then justin
Speaker 9: uh suffering with cramps.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 9: So you know, you think they needed a blow and
Speaker 9: that was an opportunity to get that done. And you
Speaker 9: saw the comments by Kevin and he really felt like
Speaker 9: he should have spoken to h Kurt got word to
Speaker 9: him to go ahead and spike it to get those
Speaker 9: as a chance to get their breath. But they didn't,
Speaker 9: and they hurried up, tried to make a play and
Speaker 9: it and it cost him quickly.
Speaker 3: Lesson should we would you get Kirt Cousins the past
Speaker 3: saying wait for his coach to spike it. He'd been
Speaker 3: in this league a long time, He's done some great things.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I veteran quarterbacks. Got to make a veteran quarterback play.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I've been around some great quarterbacks in no
Speaker 9: situations Peyton Mann and been one of them. I mean,
Speaker 9: you know he's going to take control in that situation.
Speaker 9: And I know that that Kurt, you know, has the
Speaker 9: confidence of the coaching staff to be able to spike
Speaker 9: that football in that situation. They work on it all
Speaker 9: the time and they're two being a drill and a
Speaker 9: hurry up situations. So would not have put anybody out
Speaker 9: of sorts if he had chosen to spike it. For
Speaker 9: whatever reason he didn't in that moment, and that it
Speaker 9: ended up costing him a ball game.
Speaker 1: I feel like you could watch the tape of the
Speaker 1: end of that game, lesson and just teach coaching, uh
Speaker 1: for hours and hours about about how it went down.
Speaker 1: I got one last one for you, and I know
Speaker 1: we gotta be a little quicker with this. You wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about teams that can get to the quarterback
Speaker 1: with four pass rushers or four rushers or four man rushers,
Speaker 1: what is going to be the importance? So I can
Speaker 1: watch that as a more educated fan this season, that's
Speaker 1: going to change the way some of these defenses can
Speaker 1: compete down the stretch.
Speaker 9: Well, James, you as you watch the league and you
Speaker 9: see how it's definitely a passing league, and Miami is
Speaker 9: obviously a great example of that, and other teams as
Speaker 9: well that are doing a good job of throwing the
Speaker 9: ball around. If you have to rely on five and
Speaker 9: six man pressure to get out of the quarterback, kind
Speaker 9: of like what Minnesota was trying to do yesterday. I
Speaker 9: think they blitzed justin you know, fifty percent of the time.
Speaker 9: And when you're doing that and you're not able to
Speaker 9: rush with four, you put your secondary at peril and
Speaker 9: now you run the risk of giving up explosives. And
Speaker 9: that's kind of been the Chargers problem throughout the season
Speaker 9: and other teams as well. But when you look at
Speaker 9: the Browns, you look at the Bills, you look at
Speaker 9: even the Jets, the Cowboys, teams that can rush with four,
Speaker 9: it gives you a better chance to be able to
Speaker 9: affect the quarterback and take the football away as well
Speaker 9: versus trying to, you know, bring five or six and
Speaker 9: exposing your self can do.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I love that we
Speaker 1: have your mind, Leslie to have on this show because
Speaker 1: mine's all right. Steve's is better than mine, but yours
Speaker 1: is better than both of ours. So I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have you back on I think next week. See,
Speaker 1: let's have Leslie on just as many times we're gonna.
Speaker 2: We're gonna.
Speaker 4: We're gonnakeep ready.
Speaker 2: Keep him in here, man, we need the knowledge.
Speaker 6: Appreciate it.
Speaker 1: You need it, man, we need it. You got it,
Speaker 1: you got it, Leslie. Coming up on the NFL Report,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk to Jeff Shadia about one and only
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Speaker 2: Yes he does.
Speaker 1: Steve agrees. Let's break down party. Coming up on the
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Speaker 2: Jeff Shedea. Jeff, thanks so much for joining us. JP.
Speaker 3: You know, Jeff lives in Kansas City and right now
Speaker 3: they're famous for a little bit more than the Chiefs
Speaker 3: and barbecue, just a little bit.
Speaker 10: It's it's it's Taylor Swift Town now basically the Travis
Speaker 10: Kelce and Travis Kelce's mom in the suite, about three
Speaker 10: hundred people in there with her. I've never seen that
Speaker 10: many people in one suite, and that many black guys
Speaker 10: were in red outfits going nuts.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was. It was definitely lit in Kansas City.
Speaker 10: In fact, they talk more about her being there than
Speaker 10: they do about the game right now.
Speaker 2: Well they should have.
Speaker 3: The game was trash woked them.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, yeah, it was over pretty fast. That probably
Speaker 10: got her more airtime. Right if the game was good,
Speaker 10: you wouldn't see I've seen her as much. There's like
Speaker 10: thirty shots of her in that contest.
Speaker 1: That's great. I heard Jeff was watching the game as
Speaker 1: a drinking game with the rest of his buddies, and
Speaker 1: every time they showed Taylor Swift. By the end, Jeff
Speaker 1: could barely write his article. That's what I heard, Jeff.
Speaker 1: Let let's talk about there she is. If you're you're
Speaker 1: missing this, if you're a slag podcast, Taylor Swift and
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys, ego nuts, everybody's going nuts. Donna
Speaker 1: Kelsey's actually rather reserved as a whole. I'm curious, Jeff,
Speaker 1: because you wrote about this in the article about the
Speaker 1: other side of the ball. Not Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey,
Speaker 1: but this Chief's defense. We've all spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time around the Chiefs. September is usually when Steve Spagnola
Speaker 1: is getting hammered, right, Remember it was it a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. They were giving up more yards per
Speaker 1: play than any team in NFL history through like the
Speaker 1: first five or games. This defense is different and maybe,
Speaker 1: as you put it, the best defense Mahomes has ever had.
Speaker 6: Well, I think it's not even close.
Speaker 10: And it's it's not even close really, because you've got
Speaker 10: a lot more athleticism, a lot more speed, a lot
Speaker 10: more versatility. You know in the past, you know Spag's
Speaker 10: defense can be pretty complicated. He has all these different
Speaker 10: pressure packages and coverages.
Speaker 6: He likes to roll out.
Speaker 10: But this team has been together for a while now,
Speaker 10: this unit, and you're seeing some of that maturity, some
Speaker 10: of that experience pay off for them. They still have
Speaker 10: the hammer up front with Chris Jones, but young guys
Speaker 10: like like Leo Chanal and George Carloftis and Mike Dana
Speaker 10: even feeling in the duque Uzama or Rocky are starting
Speaker 10: to make an impact. But really on the back end
Speaker 10: where you've got I think adding Drew Tranquil from the
Speaker 10: Chargers is a big pickup for them. And then obviously
Speaker 10: you've got Lugerius Snee. You've got Trent McDuffie, two corners
Speaker 10: who are really good, really good in coverage, can blitz,
Speaker 10: do a lot of different stuff.
Speaker 6: They can throw a lot at you with this group.
Speaker 3: Jeff, think because Chris Jones wasn't there all I'm sorry, James,
Speaker 3: because Chris Jones wasn't there, that some of these other
Speaker 3: players were able to kind of step up and maybe
Speaker 3: learn get some repetitions that have advanced or sped up
Speaker 3: accelerated this process.
Speaker 10: I think two things happen, and James knows this from
Speaker 10: being around the Chiefs. I think Spags had to be
Speaker 10: a lot more flexible with the young guys, even last
Speaker 10: year playing young guys with not him his mol but
Speaker 10: he found a way to do it.
Speaker 6: So I think he learned a new put a new
Speaker 6: trick into his bag.
Speaker 10: But then secondly, that first game when they did not
Speaker 10: have Chris Jones, he came out and talked about them
Speaker 10: playing as a unit, staying focused, staying together, And I
Speaker 10: think that's what they learned with that you play defense
Speaker 10: that way, you don't worry much about all the splash
Speaker 10: plays and all the big highlight plays that you can
Speaker 10: do a pretty good job.
Speaker 6: But that's what they've been doing.
Speaker 10: I say it all all the time, James, that the
Speaker 10: best thing about this defense right now. They don't ask
Speaker 10: guys to do things they can't do.
Speaker 1: That's that's genius and that part of I'll make this
Speaker 1: point real quick, what I was gonna say. I remember
Speaker 1: talking to a safety justin Reidduring training camp and he
Speaker 1: was like, you have no idea because you mentioned the
Speaker 1: secondary Jeff no idea what camp has been like for
Speaker 1: me this year compared to last year when I was
Speaker 1: like learning my parts and also teaching six other rookies
Speaker 1: their positions in the secondary. The secondary just has a
Speaker 1: better cohesion to it, Steve, because everybody's not just learning
Speaker 1: it for the first time, and you have safeties trying
Speaker 1: to get everybody where they need to go. That's a
Speaker 1: different part of this group we've seen, and obviously if
Speaker 1: they don't have to cover as long with Chris Jones
Speaker 1: on the field, that helps you out too.
Speaker 3: That's right, Hey, Jeff, you know before we did the
Speaker 3: show today, you know, James was talking about potential MVP
Speaker 3: candidates were discussing the show, and I said, one guy
Speaker 3: we can overlook is brock Perty Right, he's not going
Speaker 3: to necessarily create the tool like stats. But you wrote
Speaker 3: in your column, we have got to stop thinking about
Speaker 3: this guy is a good story because he is a
Speaker 3: legitimate stud NFL quarterback.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that was the whole thing with the column was
Speaker 10: respect and guys who finally should be getting a lot.
Speaker 6: Of suppose us wondering when it's going to fall.
Speaker 10: Apart from him and Rock Purty certainly leads that category
Speaker 10: because when I watch him play now and knowing how
Speaker 10: people talked about him in this offseason, I mean, there
Speaker 10: was so much there's so much confidence in what he
Speaker 10: does now, there's so much of a sense of he's
Speaker 10: still playing within himself, but he knows he makes the play.
Speaker 10: He knows he can make the place he has to
Speaker 10: make what he's called upon. He can use his legs,
Speaker 10: use his arm, then put them in bad positions, then
Speaker 10: turn the ball over, and.
Speaker 6: It writes Steve quietly.
Speaker 10: That's what gets you to the MVB conversation, being consistent
Speaker 10: and playing on high profile teams that win a lot.
Speaker 10: So I totally agree with you that he should be
Speaker 10: in that conversation.
Speaker 1: I remember having a conversation with Kyle Yuschek who was
Speaker 1: telling me, like, listen, he's a completely different guy, Jeff.
Speaker 1: When the lights come on for a game, he's like,
Speaker 1: he's the epitome of a gamer. Just his savviness, his intelligence,
Speaker 1: his ability to be just because of his mind. He's
Speaker 1: a step faster than you think he is when the
Speaker 1: game is actually happening on Sunday when he needs to
Speaker 1: buy some time. But to me, the thing that stands
Speaker 1: out to him to me the most is you can
Speaker 1: put things I'm told in late Saturday night. Hey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna change it. I know we're working on this way,
Speaker 1: Kyle says to him all week now, we're gonna flip it,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna do it Saturday. He can make that.
Speaker 1: That doesn't bother him one bit. Is the stature though,
Speaker 1: the physical statue of Rock Party affecting him because you're
Speaker 1: a man of much much acclaim in your stature, Jeff,
Speaker 1: Is that affecting Rock Party in terms of this MVP
Speaker 1: discussion because he's a g gaglio shucks guy walking into
Speaker 1: the building.
Speaker 10: Well, you know what you know when I when I
Speaker 10: do my MVP ratings, h for the for the first read,
Speaker 10: it's what I've been blown away by in this first three,
Speaker 10: which is how hard it is to find people you
Speaker 10: really believe in who you can make a case for.
Speaker 10: And two us running away with it right now. And
Speaker 10: I think Tyreek Hill should be in that conversation. And
Speaker 10: you could have made a case for Michael Parshers before
Speaker 10: this past weekend. But there's a lot of opportunity for
Speaker 10: someone like him in a season like this to step
Speaker 10: into that conversation because a lot of the guys who
Speaker 10: you you know, you expect to be there, like like
Speaker 10: Joe Burrows justin Herbert's and Josh Allens, they're not taking
Speaker 10: off in the same way, and so we still have
Speaker 10: to have people to vote for and talk about. And
Speaker 10: he's going to have played enough big time games. And
Speaker 10: when he's playing these games already, he looks the part.
Speaker 10: He looks like a guy who knows what he's doing,
Speaker 10: who's having an impact beyond just being along for the ride.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Jeff, you know, last Thursday night, I was
Speaker 3: at their game against the Giants. I was with future
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer wide receiver Steve Smith. He said he
Speaker 3: the one that he loves about brock Perdy is he
Speaker 3: does not put his receivers in harm's way. And when
Speaker 3: that happens, your receivers, as we see in Deebo, Samuel
Speaker 3: and Brandon I you can kitdle, they will reciprocate. Lastly, Jeff,
Speaker 3: in your column, JP and I have been talking about
Speaker 3: this guy since the jump. Deshaun Watson has a real
Speaker 3: tough performance Monday night against the Steelers and bounces back
Speaker 3: against the Titans has his best performance of the season.
Speaker 2: What about DeShawn and is this.
Speaker 3: Final ron step we need him to see him take
Speaker 3: for us to get back believing in him again.
Speaker 10: Well, I was one of those people who thought that
Speaker 10: it would be interesting to see what this offense would
Speaker 10: look like. And you don't want to see Nick Chubb
Speaker 10: go down for the season, but without him being a
Speaker 10: part of it and having more put on the Shawn's shoulders.
Speaker 6: And so I was really encouraged by what I saw.
Speaker 10: I know a lot of scouts I've talked to then
Speaker 10: the offseason talked about the pressure on him and how
Speaker 10: he's got to live up to that contract.
Speaker 6: But he felt like, to me, a quarterback who was.
Speaker 10: Trying to play his role in an offense that wasn't
Speaker 10: really designed for him. You know, he's a wide open,
Speaker 10: three four wide receiver type guy, throw football down the field,
Speaker 10: improvise and sometimes it's hard to be what he was
Speaker 10: being asked to be. When Chubb was healthy, and so,
Speaker 10: I felt like he seemed more comfortable, He seemed more confident.
Speaker 10: He knew that he was going to have to make
Speaker 10: plays for this team to win. And he responded, I
Speaker 10: mean it's still he had to keep saying he deserves
Speaker 10: a past for all the time he missed, but he's
Speaker 10: still figuring out how to get back.
Speaker 6: To the level he was at before all that stuff
Speaker 6: happened with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they changed a lot from what they did in
Speaker 1: that back end of the season with him last year,
Speaker 1: and then this offseason has his input big time into
Speaker 1: what they were gonna do with him and Kevin Stefanski
Speaker 1: putting him in the gun pretty much every snap is
Speaker 1: what Deshaun wants to do, and they're starting to listen
Speaker 1: to that a little bit because he feels so comfortable
Speaker 1: back there. What I'm curious about, Jeff, and we'll get
Speaker 1: finished this up real quickly, is do you think a
Speaker 1: performance like the one he had here? And then he
Speaker 1: strings together a few of those. To me, the confidence
Speaker 1: level might be the thing that changes. And then we
Speaker 1: start seeing the player that we saw in the past.
Speaker 6: Do you see that?
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, no, doubt well, and be honest with you,
Speaker 10: the way their defense is playing right now, I'm sure
Speaker 10: he recognizes that I don't have to do it all
Speaker 10: right now.
Speaker 6: I've got a great defense.
Speaker 10: I don't have to make all these phenomenal plays for
Speaker 10: us to win games. Take care of the football, move
Speaker 10: the team, give him the end zone. Let that de
Speaker 10: go to work. They can win a lot of games
Speaker 10: doing that. Yeah they will. And that's what we're going
Speaker 10: to talk about next. Jeff, We're gonna have you on
Speaker 10: next Monday. Maybe I'll have on Thursday, maybe.
Speaker 1: Talking about the first three that length, because it's the
Speaker 1: topics that I love the most in this show. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie these are. This is my favorite block
Speaker 1: coming about to Miles Garrett as we close out the show,
Speaker 1: jet Za, Buddy enjoy Tello Swift, Miles Garrett, three and
Speaker 1: a half sacks. Also a play that Steve and I
Speaker 1: have never seen before that isn't in the statue. More
Speaker 1: Miles Scaret coming up on the NFL four. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the NFL Report, James Palmer, Steve White with you
Speaker 1: as Steve. As we closed this out, we talk a
Speaker 1: lot about Miles Garrett in the show, because what did
Speaker 1: I say, what was my favorite offseason move in the
Speaker 1: entire NFL?
Speaker 3: That was Jim Schwartz, Jim Schwartz going to be his
Speaker 3: That would be Schwartzy Jim Schwartz.
Speaker 1: That would be Jim Schwartz going and teaming up with
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. Our thought was twenty sacks for Miles Garrett.
Speaker 1: He had three and a half. He's getting himself towards
Speaker 1: that number twenty. But what I want to talk to
Speaker 1: you about is not the three and a half sacks.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about a play that
Speaker 1: was not in his stat line, and that is a
Speaker 1: delay of game penalty Miles Garrett caused by going from
Speaker 1: each end of the defensive line. He lines up on
Speaker 1: one side. The Titans try to bring two players over
Speaker 1: to match up and help out their tackle. He runs
Speaker 1: over to the other side of a defensive line. The
Speaker 1: Titans shift both those players back to the other side.
Speaker 1: This goes back in fourth three times to the point
Speaker 1: to what happens. The playcock runs out delay a game
Speaker 1: on the Titans because of Miles Garrett. Have you ever
Speaker 1: seen a play like that, Steve, in your life happen
Speaker 1: at the NFL level?
Speaker 2: Never, because typically it is okay.
Speaker 3: An offensive player goes in motion, somebody follows him, the
Speaker 3: strong side of the line'll shift over.
Speaker 1: Something like that.
Speaker 3: We saw this now on the defensive side, Miles Garrett.
Speaker 3: It's a viral video. It's fantastic. Starts out on the
Speaker 3: defensive web side two tight ends are there, he moves
Speaker 3: over to the right side because that areas Smith, the
Speaker 3: actual defensive end lines up on.
Speaker 2: The left side.
Speaker 3: Both tight ends follow him to the right side. Then
Speaker 3: he's like, oh, this is how we're doing things. Let
Speaker 3: him go back to the left side, and they both
Speaker 3: go back. I've never seen anything like that. I don't
Speaker 3: know why the Titans just didn't strongsided or do something
Speaker 3: like this, but it was a weird call.
Speaker 2: But it's because he's that disruptive JP.
Speaker 3: You talked about last Thursday, how he's lining up over center.
Speaker 2: He's wrecking shop. He has four and a half sacks
Speaker 2: on the season.
Speaker 3: But he's freeing up everybody else because Jim Schwartz is
Speaker 3: moving him around like this. And now we're seeing all
Speaker 3: of these absolutely insane reactions.
Speaker 2: Because he is great.
Speaker 3: To me, he is the leader in the house for
Speaker 3: defensive player of the year.
Speaker 2: Although TJ. Watt right now might also have something to
Speaker 2: say about that.
Speaker 1: I think you're exactly right. And you know, we talked
Speaker 1: about the three and a half sacks. Talk about all
Speaker 1: the sacks. How about this defense as a whole? Essentially
Speaker 1: they've given up one touchdown. Steve in thirty four drive.
Speaker 1: That's a decent outing for Jim Schwartz as he starts
Speaker 1: his tenure as a defensive coordinator. Kevin Stemanski says, the
Speaker 1: teams try to stop Nile's Garrett. What happens, He still
Speaker 1: wrecks the game for Steve White. I'm James Palmer. This
Speaker 1: was the NFL report on Monday. See it Thursday. As
Speaker 1: we look at Week four,