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Speaker 1: Welcome into the NFL Report. James Palmer, Steve Whites with you.

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Speaker 1: It's a Monday, but I think the Dolphins are still scoring. Steve,

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Speaker 1: we got a packed show for you today. We have

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Speaker 1: Leslie Fraser, the former defensive coordinator of the Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 1: breaking down what happened, Devance Joseph and am never Broncos defense.

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Speaker 1: Also Omar Owiz, Tom Pellisaro, Jeff Chediaz with us every Monday.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot, Steve, and we still didn't even

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Speaker 1: mention that there's a lot going on in Kansas City

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's not even on the field, JP.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, every cutaway shot, every cutaway shot before

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Speaker 3: they actually cut away from the game, was.

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Speaker 2: If Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 3: Oh and Travis Kelsey right, Look, he's a Mama Kelsey,

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Speaker 3: so I guess the rumors are true he introduced her

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Speaker 3: to mama, or at least somebody did up in the suite.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I know the conversation is of Taylor

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Speaker 3: and of Trav. But JP, here's my take on this. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm not a big conspiracy theory guy, but oh okay,

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Speaker 3: this is Patrick's being the ultimate wing man and not

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Speaker 3: with the fact that he got Travis five of his

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Speaker 3: seven catches in the first half to get Taylor.

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Speaker 2: Up in arms like she was. But remember Patrick Mahomes was.

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Speaker 3: On a little show this summer called Quarterback, little Netflix

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Speaker 3: series that was really, really good. Well, I think he's

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Speaker 3: gonna now share and an executive producer credit with Peyton Manning,

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Speaker 3: and they're gonna have a spinoff called tight End, right,

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Speaker 3: and Travis Kelsey who is gonna be in it? And

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Speaker 3: Taylor Swift is there to get everybody and not just

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Speaker 3: a football fans.

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Speaker 2: I mean, am I off base here? Do you like

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Speaker 2: my theory that they're working on this? I like this.

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Speaker 2: I think this is what we're really going to play.

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Speaker 1: I like the conspiracy theory because also I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: how you introduced a woman to your mother within the

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Speaker 1: first week or two of dating her.

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Speaker 2: We don't know that. We don't know that, don't I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know what's happening. Listen before we move on, I also

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Speaker 1: say Kansas City is a hot spot for the Pittsburgh Steelers,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just happy that in new airport's been built

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Speaker 1: because I can can you imagine someone being being stranded

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Speaker 1: that long? I've spent some time at the old kCi Airport,

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Speaker 1: you know, just fighting for a cold flatbread at off

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Speaker 1: But that's neither here nor there's Stave. Luckily they built

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Speaker 1: that new beautiful spot there in Kansas City. And one

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Speaker 1: of the guys that I used to play in Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: his name's Tyreek Hill, said a lot of things this,

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Speaker 1: you know, a couple off seasons when he went to Miami, Steve,

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Speaker 1: if you remember, maybe we should be remembering what Tyreek

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Speaker 1: Hill was saying about his quarterback to a tunguea bi lo,

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Speaker 1: how accurate he was, how much he thought of his

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Speaker 1: new quarterback. Because they put up seventy points on Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton and the Denver Broncos. That's a seven zero most

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Speaker 1: points since nineteen sixty six. Could have easily broken the

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Speaker 1: points and the yardage marks. But really let off the gas.

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Speaker 1: What's your initial take on Miami, because we will with

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Speaker 1: Leslie Frasier get to the Broncos side of things in

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Speaker 1: a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, this is stunning, right, seventy points

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Speaker 3: in an NFL game, which spells a lot of things,

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Speaker 3: like your offense is running efficiently. You're just totally dominating

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Speaker 3: a team and also made question the effort of the

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Speaker 3: opposing team. Now we're just showing a play right here,

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Speaker 3: the shovel pass where two fakes a left handed no

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Speaker 3: looks at right handed. What people don't know the onely

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Speaker 3: thing TWA does left handed is throw. Everything else he

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Speaker 2: But let me tell you something.

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Speaker 3: But if I'm Mike McDaniel heading into next year's game

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Speaker 3: with Buffalo, here's what I would do with this game

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Speaker 3: tape that was just absolute perfection. I would put it

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Speaker 3: in the archives and not let my team think that

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Speaker 3: they're anything interesting special going into Buffalo, because you might say, look,

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Speaker 3: our offense is so great, we're flying. Look at how

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Speaker 3: we ran all of these great plays you know outside

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Speaker 3: I would stash that and say, look, the week before

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Speaker 3: we had problems scoring against the New England Pagets, who

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Speaker 3: and we had to work for those. Buffalo is going

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Speaker 3: save that for the postseason highlight tape.

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Speaker 1: Aren't you a buzzkill?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: What did you do to you ever celebrate any of

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Speaker 1: your three sons accomplishments in any athletics or did you

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Speaker 1: just always go well, you know you could have done better?

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Speaker 1: Come on, listen. What I do look at this tape

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Speaker 1: and I look at what happened and watching almost all

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Speaker 1: of this game on Sunday, is we are seeing a really,

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Speaker 1: really good marriage between one of the most dynamic, innovative

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Speaker 1: play callers out there in Mike McDaniel, and a quarterback

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Speaker 1: that is able to operate it the way he wants

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Speaker 1: it to be operated. What we're seeing is the balls

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Speaker 1: out extremely quick. And the reason I bring that up, Steve,

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Speaker 1: is what Mike McDaniel does is he puts all of

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Speaker 1: play to their strengths and he hides their deficiencies. I

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Speaker 1: think that's the part that maybe stands out to me

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Speaker 1: and the balls out of his hand extremely quickly. Don't

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Speaker 1: quote me on these numbers, but I believe this season

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is the only one that's gotten the football

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Speaker 1: out faster than Tua has this season. So I think

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Speaker 1: the other part Steve that jumps out of me is

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Speaker 1: they just kind of have started this marriage with one another.

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Speaker 1: This is their second season together and we're three games

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Speaker 1: in and it looks like they can almost do anything

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Speaker 1: because of the weapons that Tua has around him and

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Speaker 3: That they have all right, but JP, we could see

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Speaker 3: that they could do almost anything. We know they played

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Speaker 3: well against the Chargers in the opener, but again think

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Speaker 2: They had to fight for all twenty.

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Speaker 1: Four of them and now that was a good game plan,

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Speaker 1: and I would think Buffalo would do something similar to that.

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Speaker 1: Take away the middle of the field, take away Tyreek.

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Speaker 1: We know what the routes too, likes to likes to

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Speaker 1: Buffalo is gonna go do. Who took the ball away

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Speaker 1: a bunch in the on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Correct, So again, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, there are no participation trophies in

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Speaker 3: the White household.

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Speaker 2: You have to earn them.

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Speaker 3: I know kids would have got they would have gotten

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Speaker 3: a blue ribbon for seventy points.

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Speaker 2: But it's only week three. You don't win championships in September.

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Speaker 3: But yes, I would say, you know, well done by

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Speaker 3: the Dolphins, but save it for those reasons. There are

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Speaker 3: no Lombardi trophies. Hands it out in September.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, you got anything left on this other than we

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Speaker 1: still don't know how to pronounce a chain's name A chain.

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Speaker 3: Andrew Cecilian and I were on a draft show, and

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Speaker 3: Andrew asked him how to pronounce it. He said, a chain,

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Speaker 3: I know, Peter King and the confident.

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Speaker 2: He said, it's a chan.

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Speaker 1: But maybe now the.

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Speaker 3: Team is coming out, well, I mean maybe field, now

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Speaker 1: Is coming out. Okay, all right, unbelievable, unbelievab all right.

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Speaker 1: Let le's let's move on to uh a surprise team

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Speaker 1: getting a w in time?

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Speaker 3: Steve, Yeah, absolutely, that's the Indianapolis Colts, and that leads

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Speaker 3: an entire discussion right here JP about three first year

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Speaker 3: coaches getting dubbs, all upset dubs. And you look at

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Speaker 3: the last two shows we did. Boy, were we jock

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Speaker 3: riding the Baltimore Ravens and how great their offense was

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Speaker 3: and everything off? Yes, yeah, I mean, but look, I'm

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Speaker 3: not off It's one game. But the fact that Shane

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Speaker 3: Steichen has got so many things going and one this

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Speaker 3: defense is playing a lot better than I think anybody

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Speaker 3: expect him to play. Right, So they went there and

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Speaker 3: they really put the clamps down on this high flying

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Speaker 3: so great. Yes, weather factored into it, but Gardner minshew also,

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Speaker 3: this is the second straight win by the Colts. He

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Speaker 3: last week, led them to victory, and then he comes

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Speaker 3: This is very important. So the Colts, they're a team

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Speaker 3: in this division that we did not see right now

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Speaker 3: getting off to this type of start JP. So props

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Speaker 3: to Saint Steiken and what he's doing in his first

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Speaker 1: I think he deserves a ton of credit for what

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Speaker 1: their general manager, says, Steve It sucks. It all sucks.

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Speaker 1: It sucks from every angle. Chris Baller couldn't stop saying

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Speaker 1: you know, it was just a distraction from that standpoint,

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Speaker 1: it's your best player on your team that he's still

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Speaker 1: can get Jonathan Taylor back after Week four to add

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Speaker 1: job that he's done with Anthony Richardson so far now,

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Speaker 1: the concussion protocol. But I think you and I could

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Speaker 1: a lot has to do with how he was set

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Speaker 1: up to succeed by Shane Stike. And I think Shane's

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Speaker 1: done a tremendous job. They're leading the division now. The

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Speaker 1: Demiico Ryans in the Houston Texans. Dimiko got his first

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Speaker 1: win Steve over another AFC South team, the Jacksonville Jaguars.

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Speaker 1: Will get to Doug Pearson's Jaguars. But what do you

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Speaker 1: think about Demico and his first win and what we've

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look a huge upset thirty seven to seventeen.

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Speaker 3: But what was so great about this win was it

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Speaker 3: was a complete team win. Right, You've have Bill Anderson

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Speaker 3: blocking a fuel goal. You've got your fullback taking eighty

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Speaker 3: took him about seventeen seconds, right, but it was the

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Speaker 3: most beautiful, fast motion slow you should kick off return

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Speaker 2: And then CJ.

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Speaker 3: Stroud comes out and plays really well. Our road game

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Speaker 2: They're just trying to live up to the hype too much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, reading your press clippings does not comments you want

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Speaker 1: If there's issues with distractions, reading press clippings, things like that,

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Speaker 2: Oh, you didn't do it, dude.

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Speaker 1: Come on, Nobody over there likes that phrase. Nobody over

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Speaker 3: The NFL Report and Jay Palmer and Iron now joined

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Speaker 3: by Tom Pella Serra, one third of the Insiders, which

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Speaker 2: Tom, thanks so much for joining us. You know you

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Speaker 2: got a busy day. Could you catch us up?

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Speaker 3: First off, on some injury stage quarterback, you're car Charges

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Speaker 4: Let's start out with on Derek Carr.

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Speaker 5: Steve Who Tennis Allen, the Saints head coach, just confirmed

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Speaker 4: That will guide where the Saints go a quarterback.

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Speaker 5: If Carr can't go, then Jameis Winston would presumably be

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Speaker 1: So, Tom, you were at this game, and that's why

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Speaker 1: Way, he looks, I think you're accurate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Kirk Cousins three. A lot of conversation about potential trade.

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Speaker 3: Could the Vikings just dump him? Is that feasible?

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Speaker 2: Like? Why why would they dump him? Right now? Over

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Speaker 2: to one three?

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Speaker 3: But could he potentially be moved?

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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, Kirk Cousins has a no trade clause,

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Speaker 5: so he would have to approve any deal. And if

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Speaker 5: your cousins and you're trying to get to one more

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Speaker 5: big time pay day, it's Kirk Cousins. Maybe he's got

447
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Speaker 5: three more big paydays, but at least one more come March.

448
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Speaker 5: Going to a new team that maybe isn't the best situation,

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Speaker 5: not having the familiarity. There's some potential dangers in that

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Speaker 5: the Vikings also, even though they're owen three here, I

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Speaker 5: have not gotten any sense that they look at this

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Speaker 5: and say we got to tear it down, trade everybody

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Speaker 5: and start over. They've been challenged out of the gate,

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Speaker 5: They've played a bunch of close games. They won all

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Speaker 5: those close games last year. This year all one possession games,

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Speaker 5: all losses. But you don't go out and trade for

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Speaker 5: cam Akers. You don't go and sol sign Dalton Riisner

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Speaker 5: two moves they made last week. If you're not anticipating

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Speaker 5: we still could be competitive right now in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 5: Maybe we're having a different conversation as we get closer

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Speaker 5: to the trade deadline here, But right now, guys, I

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Speaker 5: would not say that that is the focus for the

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Speaker 5: Vikings here, still trying to figure out, okay, what's our

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Speaker 5: path forward to be competing in the NFC North where

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Speaker 5: this point two games back, but a long way to go.

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Speaker 2: Tom Pete, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe Tom, real quick, Tom, I can't believe

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Speaker 1: that you would undersell Kirk Cousins like that and say

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Speaker 1: he only has three more paydays left. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: can't believe you would disrespect kirk guarantee money three more

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Speaker 1: pay days I.

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Speaker 5: Think twenty fifteen, so he's on year nine consecutively of

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Speaker 5: having fully guaranteed money. Listen, it's gonna be an interesting

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Speaker 5: quarterback here because you've got Ryan Tannehill is also pending

475
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Speaker 5: free agent. You've got uncertain features from a bunch of

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Speaker 5: guys right now who are currently under contract with teams.

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Speaker 5: Maybe there are trades that happen in the offseason. Also,

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Speaker 5: as a quarterback class in the draft that is considered

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Speaker 5: to be really, really good.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be fascinating. Thank goodness.

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Speaker 5: We're still like six months away from that, but it's

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Speaker 5: not that far away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I know you have to wait about it.

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Speaker 3: Can't wait for that. It's gonna be good. Tom Pete,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much for joining us. Brother, Get some rest,

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Speaker 3: all right. And in the big upset of the weekend

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Speaker 3: in the desert, the Arizona Cardinals spring for an upset

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Speaker 3: of the Dallas Cowboys, who everybody thought we're gonna go

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Speaker 3: seventeen and oh but Arizona oh to two.

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Speaker 2: Start very competitive.

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Speaker 3: Each of those games. See Josh Dobbs, a quarterback, come

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Speaker 3: here and lead the upset. So let's bring in our

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Speaker 3: Omar Ruiz, who was at that game.

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Speaker 2: Omar, you went.

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Speaker 3: Into the Cardinals locker room after that game, what was

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Speaker 3: it like? Because this is a team everyone said, Oh,

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Speaker 3: they're gonna be drafting the first overall pick next year.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna absolutely stink.

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Speaker 3: But they had every game in every game this year

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Speaker 3: and then they upset the Cowboys.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, they have a locker room full of confidence.

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Speaker 8: This is a team that feels they should be three

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Speaker 8: and oh and all that stuff about thinking the Cardinals

504
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Speaker 8: are going to be the first pick in the draft

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Speaker 8: and all the naysayers. They've heard of all that, not

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Speaker 8: necessarily through media reports, but Cavon Wallace and Kaisier White

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Speaker 8: both said that their family members have been them about

508
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Speaker 8: how badly the Cowboys were gonna beat them, and they're

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Speaker 8: looking forward to getting back at their family members. So

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Speaker 8: it's a team with growing confidence that never stopped believing

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Speaker 8: in themselves even in those deficient games against Washington and

512
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Speaker 8: against the New York Giants. So for them to capitalize

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Speaker 8: on the Dallas Cowboys at home was big for them.

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Speaker 1: Omro, I'm curious what the take is being there and

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Speaker 1: in the locker room with players talking about their head

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Speaker 1: coach Jonathan Gannon and his first season as a head coach.

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Speaker 1: To me talking to people in Arizona Monday morning, it

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Speaker 1: was this, we might have blown leads in second half

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Speaker 1: of both of our first two games, but what does

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Speaker 1: it show us in the first half when our team

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Speaker 1: came out what appears to be prepared, probably not as

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Speaker 1: talented as most of the teams in the NFL. Let's

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Speaker 1: just be entirely honest, and they're smart, made good decisions

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Speaker 1: to get those double digit leads early. Something's going right

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Speaker 1: early in these games. And the people in Arizona I

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Speaker 1: talked to point two, that's coaching right, that's preparing your

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Speaker 1: players during the week in the early portion of the games.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we have to learn how to win as part

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Speaker 1: of that. What's the take with this team and Jonathan Gannon,

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Speaker 1: Because to me, this is maybe Steve in all honesty,

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Speaker 1: looking at all three of their games, one of the

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Speaker 1: bigger surprises of a team coming out and playing as

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Speaker 1: well as Arizona has with the talent that they have.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think the complete buy in for Jonathan Gannon

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Speaker 8: has been there, and that's something that I've seen since

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Speaker 8: OTAs all through Mini camp training, camp and now the

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Speaker 8: regular season. It's interesting to point out the fact that

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Speaker 8: they've outscored their opponents fifty four to twenty in the

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Speaker 8: first half of the season.

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Speaker 7: So to your point, they're coming out prepared, they have a.

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Speaker 8: Solid game plan, and you figured they've had a good

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Speaker 8: they would have a good game plan against Dallas, specifically

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Speaker 8: on defense, given Jonathan Gannon and Nick Rales, the Cardinals

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Speaker 8: defensive coordinators history in the NFC East with the Philadelphia Eagles,

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Speaker 8: And I asked Jonathan Gannon after the game, what tangible

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Speaker 8: lessons maybe they learned from those first two losses, because

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Speaker 8: of course they kept saying that they have to finish

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Speaker 8: and they have to change how they finished games. But

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Speaker 8: what tangibly might have they worked more diligently to finish

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Speaker 8: this And he said, you know, if they're going to

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Speaker 8: allow teams to go down the field of them, don't

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Speaker 8: allow them to go quickly. In other words, limit the

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Speaker 8: explosive plays. And that's something they did against the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 8: And then to buckle up in the red zone, and

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Speaker 8: we saw Dallas go one.

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Speaker 7: For five in the red area.

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Speaker 8: Kaizer White that big interception on Dak Prescott to essentially

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Speaker 8: seal the game. And what was interesting is White said

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Speaker 8: in that play call. Throughout the week at practice he

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Speaker 8: kept messing it up, but obviously in the game did

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Speaker 8: not mess it up when it mattered most. And he

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Speaker 8: said he was on point the entire game, even though

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Speaker 8: he struggled with it during the week.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, this is a team that's bought in.

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Speaker 8: And I asked Gannon also, did you need this win,

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Speaker 8: you know, to validate everything for the foundation you guys

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Speaker 8: are laying and he said, no, you know what they

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Speaker 8: do on a daily basis. You know they believe in

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Speaker 8: their process driven, not necessarily results driven. That's something he's

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Speaker 8: been preaching the entire offseason. But certainly feels good to

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Speaker 8: get that win and something that you know they don't

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Speaker 8: necessarily feel validated by, but understand it's a results driven league.

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Speaker 2: Soids again getting a w and coach speak.

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Speaker 3: According to Omar right there, Hey, oh, we appreciate you,

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Speaker 3: I tell you what. With the way Josh Dobbs is

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Speaker 3: playing right now too, I think that is something we

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Speaker 3: need to keep watching because he's playing at a starting

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Speaker 3: quarterback level. Omar, Luiz, we appreciate you joining us here

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Speaker 3: on the block. And coming up, JP, we are going

580
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Speaker 3: to get some insight from one of.

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Speaker 2: The best defensive coaches in the.

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Speaker 3: NFL past few decades, passing my ideas on that Broncos defense.

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Speaker 3: We had no d in it on Sunday against the

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Speaker 3: Dolphins here on the NFL Report.

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Speaker 6: I'll be brief.

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Speaker 7: Obviously that was embarrassing and.

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Speaker 6: Tough to watch.

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Speaker 8: Aside from the kick return, there weren't a lot of

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Speaker 8: positives to take from that game.

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Speaker 6: I know that you said it's embarrassing, but this is

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Speaker 6: kind of an historic game. I'm third time the team

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Speaker 6: has scored seventy points over seven. What's the question?

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Speaker 4: I mean, what's the question?

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Speaker 6: I just finished telling you historically embarrassing. Next question.

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Speaker 3: As Broncos coach Sean Payton hitting a reporter with the

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Speaker 3: next question, James Palmer, we are now joined by a

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Speaker 3: former NFL head coach when we're a longtime defensive coordinator

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Speaker 3: and class of twenty twenty three Black College Football Hall

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Speaker 3: of Famer Leslie Fraser, who's now a.

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Speaker 2: Member of our NFL Network crew. Least good seeing you.

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Speaker 6: Good, good to be here.

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Speaker 9: Thank you guys for having.

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Speaker 2: Me, absolutely so.

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Speaker 3: Lest We're starting right there, start right there, seventy stacks, right,

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Speaker 3: they got seventy points hung on them.

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Speaker 2: From what you saw in that game. We know the Dolphins.

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Speaker 3: Dolphins offense is explosive, but what is going on with

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Speaker 3: that Broncos defense to get abused like it did?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, first thing, Steve, you know, just seeing that

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Speaker 9: tone by Sean that press conference, that gives you an

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Speaker 9: idea or probably what everyone is spilling in that locker

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Speaker 9: room as well. I mean, as a coordinator in this

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Speaker 9: league on defense, no one wants to experience what those

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Speaker 9: guys experienced yesterday. And yeah, there's gonna be some humbling

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Speaker 9: moments during your season if you're in this league long enough,

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Speaker 9: but to experience what they did yesterday, it just I mean,

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Speaker 9: Sean said it was embarrassing in so many.

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Speaker 6: Ways, but that happens in this league.

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Speaker 9: But what I saw was at times the tackling wasn't

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Speaker 9: what you wanted to be. Obviously, there's some things and

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Speaker 9: they can do better schematically. And I know Vance Joseph,

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Speaker 9: he's a really good football coach, good guy, and he's

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Speaker 9: gonna work as hard as he can to get things

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Speaker 9: turned around. I know that meeting today with the players

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Speaker 9: is a tough one. But you can see even on

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Speaker 9: the clip that you're showing the tackling man, it just

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Speaker 9: showed up over and over and over again. Nobody could

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Speaker 9: find a way to make a play. And at some point,

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Speaker 9: you know, you want to try to stop the bleeding,

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Speaker 9: someone has to stand up and make a play, and

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Speaker 9: that just didn't happen in that ball game yesterday. So

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Speaker 9: you really want to go back to the fundamentals and

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Speaker 9: the technique that's necessary to help you to improve. And

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Speaker 9: then you got to go back and say, what about

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Speaker 9: our scheme? You know, what are we gonna have to

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Speaker 9: do schematically to get this fixed? And they've got some

637
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Speaker 9: issues that's obvious based on what happened this past weekend,

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Speaker 9: then even a week before when Washington was able to

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Speaker 9: come back in the second half. I mean, so there's

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Speaker 9: some things that have to be worked out and they've

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Speaker 9: got a lot of work ahead of them. But that

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Speaker 9: was that was tough to watch for everyone.

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Speaker 1: You're exactly right, when you give up over three hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty yards running and over three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: yards passing, the balance of the beatdown almost hurts even

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Speaker 1: even worse. Let's push this forward to some other because

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Speaker 1: I want to pick your brain in terms of putting

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Speaker 1: your coaching hat on here and Brandon Staley and it

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Speaker 1: is one fifty one remaining in the game. It is

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Speaker 1: fourth in inches, they're up by four from their own

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Speaker 1: twenty four. Now, analytics will tell you that this is

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Speaker 1: what they should do, go for it. I want to

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Speaker 1: know from a coaching standpoint on the sideline, what would

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Speaker 1: go through your mind, your staff. I kind of just

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Speaker 1: want to get a feel for this whole moment and

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Speaker 1: what you think what would be your kind of your

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Speaker 1: your process.

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Speaker 9: Well, from an operational standpoint, James, you know you you

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Speaker 9: probably have someone in your your one of your analytics

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Speaker 9: guys talking about the probability of success if you go forward,

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Speaker 9: and you may have a coach on your staff, your

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Speaker 9: assistant head coach, if you have one or one of

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Speaker 9: your confidence who's telling you on the headset, Hey, coach,

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Speaker 9: they need a touchdown to win the game. They have

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Speaker 9: no time out. If we punt, make them keep the

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Speaker 9: ball in bounds, there's a very good chance we're gonna

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Speaker 9: win this game on defense if we punt the football

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Speaker 9: and make them have to go to the lift of

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Speaker 9: the field. So you're hearing that and you've got to

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Speaker 9: be able to dissect that information and then make a decision.

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Speaker 9: And you know, Brandon made the decision to go forward.

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Speaker 9: The analytics didn't work, and you know, at there are

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Speaker 9: times where you need to override analytics and sometimes go

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Speaker 9: based on how your team is performing or where you

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Speaker 9: are in the ball game. And didn't make a decision

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Speaker 9: as a head coach, and in this case, he made

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Speaker 9: the decision and it almost backfar.

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Speaker 3: But let's se Okay, this is the question I've had

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Speaker 3: because you know, we know Brandon loves to do this stuff,

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Speaker 3: play this analytics game, go for it on fourth down.

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Speaker 2: You talked about the situation of the game.

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Speaker 3: They got Kirk Cousin and Justin Jefferson and you just

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Speaker 3: gave them twenty four yards to get into the end zone.

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Speaker 3: If not for some nincome poop behavior that they did

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Speaker 3: when they got the ball back, they would have won

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Speaker 3: that ball game. So is there anyone who could get

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Speaker 3: in Brandon Staley's ear and say do not do this

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Speaker 3: and it do not run a fullback dive over the right. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't a freaking spectacular play.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, personally, I don't I don't want to

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Speaker 9: second guess the play call.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 9: The hindsight, you could say maybe they should have run

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Speaker 9: a different play. But going forward in that situation is

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Speaker 9: what I have a bigger problem with, not so much

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Speaker 9: to play call. And it's just the defense was probably

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Speaker 9: playing as better than they played in the first couple

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Speaker 9: of weeks. Yes, so make Minnesota thankful to drive the

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Speaker 9: field and and and make them have to make some plays. Uh,

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Speaker 9: but you know they chose not to do that, and

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Speaker 9: it almost cost them uh to end up.

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Speaker 1: Being oh and three.

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Speaker 9: Fortunately, Minnesota doesn't spike the ball when they had an

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Speaker 9: opportunity to to try to gather themselves, especially with TJ.

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Speaker 9: Hockinson being a little bit banged up and then justin

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Speaker 9: uh suffering with cramps.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 9: So you know, you think they needed a blow and

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Speaker 9: that was an opportunity to get that done. And you

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Speaker 9: saw the comments by Kevin and he really felt like

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Speaker 9: he should have spoken to h Kurt got word to

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Speaker 9: him to go ahead and spike it to get those

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Speaker 9: as a chance to get their breath. But they didn't,

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Speaker 9: and they hurried up, tried to make a play and

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Speaker 9: it and it cost him quickly.

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Speaker 3: Lesson should we would you get Kirt Cousins the past

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Speaker 3: saying wait for his coach to spike it. He'd been

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Speaker 3: in this league a long time, He's done some great things.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I veteran quarterbacks. Got to make a veteran quarterback play.

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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I've been around some great quarterbacks in no

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Speaker 9: situations Peyton Mann and been one of them. I mean,

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Speaker 9: you know he's going to take control in that situation.

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Speaker 9: And I know that that Kurt, you know, has the

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Speaker 9: confidence of the coaching staff to be able to spike

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Speaker 9: that football in that situation. They work on it all

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Speaker 9: the time and they're two being a drill and a

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Speaker 9: hurry up situations. So would not have put anybody out

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Speaker 9: of sorts if he had chosen to spike it. For

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Speaker 9: whatever reason he didn't in that moment, and that it

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Speaker 9: ended up costing him a ball game.

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Speaker 1: I feel like you could watch the tape of the

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Speaker 1: end of that game, lesson and just teach coaching, uh

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Speaker 1: for hours and hours about about how it went down.

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Speaker 1: I got one last one for you, and I know

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Speaker 1: we gotta be a little quicker with this. You wanted

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Speaker 1: to talk about teams that can get to the quarterback

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Speaker 1: with four pass rushers or four rushers or four man rushers,

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Speaker 1: what is going to be the importance? So I can

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Speaker 1: watch that as a more educated fan this season, that's

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Speaker 1: going to change the way some of these defenses can

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Speaker 1: compete down the stretch.

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Speaker 9: Well, James, you as you watch the league and you

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Speaker 9: see how it's definitely a passing league, and Miami is

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Speaker 9: obviously a great example of that, and other teams as

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Speaker 9: well that are doing a good job of throwing the

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Speaker 9: ball around. If you have to rely on five and

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Speaker 9: six man pressure to get out of the quarterback, kind

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Speaker 9: of like what Minnesota was trying to do yesterday. I

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Speaker 9: think they blitzed justin you know, fifty percent of the time.

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Speaker 9: And when you're doing that and you're not able to

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Speaker 9: rush with four, you put your secondary at peril and

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Speaker 9: now you run the risk of giving up explosives. And

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Speaker 9: that's kind of been the Chargers problem throughout the season

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Speaker 9: and other teams as well. But when you look at

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Speaker 9: the Browns, you look at the Bills, you look at

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Speaker 9: even the Jets, the Cowboys, teams that can rush with four,

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Speaker 9: it gives you a better chance to be able to

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Speaker 9: affect the quarterback and take the football away as well

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Speaker 9: versus trying to, you know, bring five or six and

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Speaker 9: exposing your self can do.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I love that we

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Speaker 1: have your mind, Leslie to have on this show because

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Speaker 1: mine's all right. Steve's is better than mine, but yours

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Speaker 1: is better than both of ours. So I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have you back on I think next week. See,

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Speaker 1: let's have Leslie on just as many times we're gonna.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna.

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Speaker 4: We're gonnakeep ready.

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Speaker 2: Keep him in here, man, we need the knowledge.

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Speaker 6: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: You need it, man, we need it. You got it,

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Speaker 1: you got it, Leslie. Coming up on the NFL Report,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk to Jeff Shadia about one and only

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Speaker 1: Brock Party. I think Brock deserves a little more credits.

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Speaker 2: Yes he does.

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Speaker 1: Steve agrees. Let's break down party. Coming up on the

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Speaker 1: NFL Report.

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Speaker 3: information is on NFL dot com slash first read. As

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Speaker 3: we are joined by the author of First Read and

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Speaker 3: he has the first Read block.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Shedea. Jeff, thanks so much for joining us. JP.

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Speaker 3: You know, Jeff lives in Kansas City and right now

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Speaker 3: they're famous for a little bit more than the Chiefs

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Speaker 3: and barbecue, just a little bit.

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Speaker 10: It's it's it's Taylor Swift Town now basically the Travis

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Speaker 10: Kelce and Travis Kelce's mom in the suite, about three

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Speaker 10: hundred people in there with her. I've never seen that

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Speaker 10: many people in one suite, and that many black guys

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Speaker 10: were in red outfits going nuts.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was. It was definitely lit in Kansas City.

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Speaker 10: In fact, they talk more about her being there than

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Speaker 10: they do about the game right now.

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Speaker 2: Well they should have.

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Speaker 3: The game was trash woked them.

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, yeah, it was over pretty fast. That probably

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Speaker 10: got her more airtime. Right if the game was good,

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Speaker 10: you wouldn't see I've seen her as much. There's like

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Speaker 10: thirty shots of her in that contest.

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Speaker 1: That's great. I heard Jeff was watching the game as

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Speaker 1: a drinking game with the rest of his buddies, and

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Speaker 1: every time they showed Taylor Swift. By the end, Jeff

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Speaker 1: could barely write his article. That's what I heard, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: Let let's talk about there she is. If you're you're

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Speaker 1: missing this, if you're a slag podcast, Taylor Swift and

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Speaker 1: a bunch of guys, ego nuts, everybody's going nuts. Donna

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Speaker 1: Kelsey's actually rather reserved as a whole. I'm curious, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: because you wrote about this in the article about the

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Speaker 1: other side of the ball. Not Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey,

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Speaker 1: but this Chief's defense. We've all spent a lot of

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Speaker 1: time around the Chiefs. September is usually when Steve Spagnola

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Speaker 1: is getting hammered, right, Remember it was it a couple

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Speaker 1: of years ago. They were giving up more yards per

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Speaker 1: play than any team in NFL history through like the

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Speaker 1: first five or games. This defense is different and maybe,

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Speaker 1: as you put it, the best defense Mahomes has ever had.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's not even close.

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Speaker 10: And it's it's not even close really, because you've got

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Speaker 10: a lot more athleticism, a lot more speed, a lot

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Speaker 10: more versatility. You know in the past, you know Spag's

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Speaker 10: defense can be pretty complicated. He has all these different

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Speaker 10: pressure packages and coverages.

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Speaker 6: He likes to roll out.

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Speaker 10: But this team has been together for a while now,

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Speaker 10: this unit, and you're seeing some of that maturity, some

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Speaker 10: of that experience pay off for them. They still have

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Speaker 10: the hammer up front with Chris Jones, but young guys

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Speaker 10: like like Leo Chanal and George Carloftis and Mike Dana

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Speaker 10: even feeling in the duque Uzama or Rocky are starting

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Speaker 10: to make an impact. But really on the back end

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Speaker 10: where you've got I think adding Drew Tranquil from the

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Speaker 10: Chargers is a big pickup for them. And then obviously

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Speaker 10: you've got Lugerius Snee. You've got Trent McDuffie, two corners

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Speaker 10: who are really good, really good in coverage, can blitz,

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Speaker 10: do a lot of different stuff.

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Speaker 6: They can throw a lot at you with this group.

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Speaker 3: Jeff, think because Chris Jones wasn't there all I'm sorry, James,

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Speaker 3: because Chris Jones wasn't there, that some of these other

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Speaker 3: players were able to kind of step up and maybe

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Speaker 3: learn get some repetitions that have advanced or sped up

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Speaker 3: accelerated this process.

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Speaker 10: I think two things happen, and James knows this from

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Speaker 10: being around the Chiefs. I think Spags had to be

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Speaker 10: a lot more flexible with the young guys, even last

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Speaker 10: year playing young guys with not him his mol but

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Speaker 10: he found a way to do it.

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Speaker 6: So I think he learned a new put a new

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Speaker 6: trick into his bag.

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Speaker 10: But then secondly, that first game when they did not

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Speaker 10: have Chris Jones, he came out and talked about them

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Speaker 10: playing as a unit, staying focused, staying together, And I

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Speaker 10: think that's what they learned with that you play defense

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Speaker 10: that way, you don't worry much about all the splash

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Speaker 10: plays and all the big highlight plays that you can

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Speaker 10: do a pretty good job.

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Speaker 6: But that's what they've been doing.

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Speaker 10: I say it all all the time, James, that the

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Speaker 10: best thing about this defense right now. They don't ask

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Speaker 10: guys to do things they can't do.

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Speaker 1: That's that's genius and that part of I'll make this

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Speaker 1: point real quick, what I was gonna say. I remember

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Speaker 1: talking to a safety justin Reidduring training camp and he

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Speaker 1: was like, you have no idea because you mentioned the

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Speaker 1: secondary Jeff no idea what camp has been like for

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Speaker 1: me this year compared to last year when I was

874
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: like learning my parts and also teaching six other rookies

875
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: their positions in the secondary. The secondary just has a

876
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: better cohesion to it, Steve, because everybody's not just learning

877
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: it for the first time, and you have safeties trying

878
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: to get everybody where they need to go. That's a

879
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: different part of this group we've seen, and obviously if

880
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: they don't have to cover as long with Chris Jones

881
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: on the field, that helps you out too.

882
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 3: That's right, Hey, Jeff, you know before we did the

883
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: show today, you know, James was talking about potential MVP

884
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: candidates were discussing the show, and I said, one guy

885
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 3: we can overlook is brock Perty Right, he's not going

886
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 3: to necessarily create the tool like stats. But you wrote

887
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: in your column, we have got to stop thinking about

888
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: this guy is a good story because he is a

889
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 3: legitimate stud NFL quarterback.

890
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, that was the whole thing with the column was

891
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 10: respect and guys who finally should be getting a lot.

892
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 6: Of suppose us wondering when it's going to fall.

893
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 10: Apart from him and Rock Purty certainly leads that category

894
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 10: because when I watch him play now and knowing how

895
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 10: people talked about him in this offseason, I mean, there

896
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 10: was so much there's so much confidence in what he

897
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 10: does now, there's so much of a sense of he's

898
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 10: still playing within himself, but he knows he makes the play.

899
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 10: He knows he can make the place he has to

900
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 10: make what he's called upon. He can use his legs,

901
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 10: use his arm, then put them in bad positions, then

902
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 10: turn the ball over, and.

903
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 6: It writes Steve quietly.

904
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 10: That's what gets you to the MVB conversation, being consistent

905
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 10: and playing on high profile teams that win a lot.

906
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 10: So I totally agree with you that he should be

907
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 10: in that conversation.

908
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: I remember having a conversation with Kyle Yuschek who was

909
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 1: telling me, like, listen, he's a completely different guy, Jeff.

910
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: When the lights come on for a game, he's like,

911
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: he's the epitome of a gamer. Just his savviness, his intelligence,

912
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: his ability to be just because of his mind. He's

913
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: a step faster than you think he is when the

914
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: game is actually happening on Sunday when he needs to

915
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: buy some time. But to me, the thing that stands

916
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: out to him to me the most is you can

917
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: put things I'm told in late Saturday night. Hey, we're

918
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: gonna change it. I know we're working on this way,

919
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: Kyle says to him all week now, we're gonna flip it,

920
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: and we're gonna do it Saturday. He can make that.

921
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: That doesn't bother him one bit. Is the stature though,

922
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: the physical statue of Rock Party affecting him because you're

923
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: a man of much much acclaim in your stature, Jeff,

924
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: Is that affecting Rock Party in terms of this MVP

925
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: discussion because he's a g gaglio shucks guy walking into

926
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: the building.

927
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 10: Well, you know what you know when I when I

928
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 10: do my MVP ratings, h for the for the first read,

929
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 10: it's what I've been blown away by in this first three,

930
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 10: which is how hard it is to find people you

931
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 10: really believe in who you can make a case for.

932
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 10: And two us running away with it right now. And

933
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 10: I think Tyreek Hill should be in that conversation. And

934
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 10: you could have made a case for Michael Parshers before

935
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 10: this past weekend. But there's a lot of opportunity for

936
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 10: someone like him in a season like this to step

937
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 10: into that conversation because a lot of the guys who

938
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 10: you you know, you expect to be there, like like

939
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 10: Joe Burrows justin Herbert's and Josh Allens, they're not taking

940
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 10: off in the same way, and so we still have

941
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 10: to have people to vote for and talk about. And

942
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 10: he's going to have played enough big time games. And

943
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 10: when he's playing these games already, he looks the part.

944
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 10: He looks like a guy who knows what he's doing,

945
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 10: who's having an impact beyond just being along for the ride.

946
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Jeff, you know, last Thursday night, I was

947
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 3: at their game against the Giants. I was with future

948
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer wide receiver Steve Smith. He said he

949
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: the one that he loves about brock Perdy is he

950
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 3: does not put his receivers in harm's way. And when

951
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 3: that happens, your receivers, as we see in Deebo, Samuel

952
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 3: and Brandon I you can kitdle, they will reciprocate. Lastly, Jeff,

953
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 3: in your column, JP and I have been talking about

954
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: this guy since the jump. Deshaun Watson has a real

955
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 3: tough performance Monday night against the Steelers and bounces back

956
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 3: against the Titans has his best performance of the season.

957
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: What about DeShawn and is this.

958
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 3: Final ron step we need him to see him take

959
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 3: for us to get back believing in him again.

960
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,479
Speaker 10: Well, I was one of those people who thought that

961
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 10: it would be interesting to see what this offense would

962
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 10: look like. And you don't want to see Nick Chubb

963
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 10: go down for the season, but without him being a

964
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 10: part of it and having more put on the Shawn's shoulders.

965
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 6: And so I was really encouraged by what I saw.

966
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 10: I know a lot of scouts I've talked to then

967
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 10: the offseason talked about the pressure on him and how

968
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 10: he's got to live up to that contract.

969
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 6: But he felt like, to me, a quarterback who was.

970
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 10: Trying to play his role in an offense that wasn't

971
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 10: really designed for him. You know, he's a wide open,

972
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 10: three four wide receiver type guy, throw football down the field,

973
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 10: improvise and sometimes it's hard to be what he was

974
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 10: being asked to be. When Chubb was healthy, and so,

975
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 10: I felt like he seemed more comfortable, He seemed more confident.

976
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 10: He knew that he was going to have to make

977
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 10: plays for this team to win. And he responded, I

978
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 10: mean it's still he had to keep saying he deserves

979
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 10: a past for all the time he missed, but he's

980
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 10: still figuring out how to get back.

981
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 6: To the level he was at before all that stuff

982
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 6: happened with him.

983
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, they changed a lot from what they did in

984
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: that back end of the season with him last year,

985
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: and then this offseason has his input big time into

986
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: what they were gonna do with him and Kevin Stefanski

987
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: putting him in the gun pretty much every snap is

988
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: what Deshaun wants to do, and they're starting to listen

989
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: to that a little bit because he feels so comfortable

990
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: back there. What I'm curious about, Jeff, and we'll get

991
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: finished this up real quickly, is do you think a

992
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: performance like the one he had here? And then he

993
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: strings together a few of those. To me, the confidence

994
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: level might be the thing that changes. And then we

995
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 1: start seeing the player that we saw in the past.

996
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 6: Do you see that?

997
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, no, doubt well, and be honest with you,

998
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 10: the way their defense is playing right now, I'm sure

999
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 10: he recognizes that I don't have to do it all

1000
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 10: right now.

1001
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 6: I've got a great defense.

1002
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 10: I don't have to make all these phenomenal plays for

1003
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 10: us to win games. Take care of the football, move

1004
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 10: the team, give him the end zone. Let that de

1005
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 10: go to work. They can win a lot of games

1006
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 10: doing that. Yeah they will. And that's what we're going

1007
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 10: to talk about next. Jeff, We're gonna have you on

1008
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 10: next Monday. Maybe I'll have on Thursday, maybe.

1009
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: Talking about the first three that length, because it's the

1010
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: topics that I love the most in this show. I'm

1011
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: not gonna lie these are. This is my favorite block

1012
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: coming about to Miles Garrett as we close out the show,

1013
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: jet Za, Buddy enjoy Tello Swift, Miles Garrett, three and

1014
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: a half sacks. Also a play that Steve and I

1015
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: have never seen before that isn't in the statue. More

1016
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: Miles Scaret coming up on the NFL four. Welcome back

1017
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: to the NFL Report, James Palmer, Steve White with you

1018
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: as Steve. As we closed this out, we talk a

1019
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: lot about Miles Garrett in the show, because what did

1020
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: I say, what was my favorite offseason move in the

1021
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: entire NFL?

1022
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: That was Jim Schwartz, Jim Schwartz going to be his

1023
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: That would be Schwartzy Jim Schwartz.

1024
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: That would be Jim Schwartz going and teaming up with

1025
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. Our thought was twenty sacks for Miles Garrett.

1026
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 1: He had three and a half. He's getting himself towards

1027
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: that number twenty. But what I want to talk to

1028
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: you about is not the three and a half sacks.

1029
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about a play that

1030
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: was not in his stat line, and that is a

1031
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: delay of game penalty Miles Garrett caused by going from

1032
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: each end of the defensive line. He lines up on

1033
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: one side. The Titans try to bring two players over

1034
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: to match up and help out their tackle. He runs

1035
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: over to the other side of a defensive line. The

1036
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: Titans shift both those players back to the other side.

1037
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: This goes back in fourth three times to the point

1038
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 1: to what happens. The playcock runs out delay a game

1039
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: on the Titans because of Miles Garrett. Have you ever

1040
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: seen a play like that, Steve, in your life happen

1041
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: at the NFL level?

1042
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: Never, because typically it is okay.

1043
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 3: An offensive player goes in motion, somebody follows him, the

1044
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 3: strong side of the line'll shift over.

1045
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: Something like that.

1046
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: We saw this now on the defensive side, Miles Garrett.

1047
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: It's a viral video. It's fantastic. Starts out on the

1048
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: defensive web side two tight ends are there, he moves

1049
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 3: over to the right side because that areas Smith, the

1050
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 3: actual defensive end lines up on.

1051
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: The left side.

1052
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 3: Both tight ends follow him to the right side. Then

1053
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 3: he's like, oh, this is how we're doing things. Let

1054
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 3: him go back to the left side, and they both

1055
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: go back. I've never seen anything like that. I don't

1056
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: know why the Titans just didn't strongsided or do something

1057
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 3: like this, but it was a weird call.

1058
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 2: But it's because he's that disruptive JP.

1059
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 3: You talked about last Thursday, how he's lining up over center.

1060
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: He's wrecking shop. He has four and a half sacks

1061
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: on the season.

1062
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 3: But he's freeing up everybody else because Jim Schwartz is

1063
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 3: moving him around like this. And now we're seeing all

1064
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 3: of these absolutely insane reactions.

1065
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: Because he is great.

1066
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 3: To me, he is the leader in the house for

1067
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 3: defensive player of the year.

1068
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: Although TJ. Watt right now might also have something to

1069
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: say about that.

1070
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 1: I think you're exactly right. And you know, we talked

1071
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: about the three and a half sacks. Talk about all

1072
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: the sacks. How about this defense as a whole? Essentially

1073
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: they've given up one touchdown. Steve in thirty four drive.

1074
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: That's a decent outing for Jim Schwartz as he starts

1075
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: his tenure as a defensive coordinator. Kevin Stemanski says, the

1076
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: teams try to stop Nile's Garrett. What happens, He still

1077
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: wrecks the game for Steve White. I'm James Palmer. This

1078
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: was the NFL report on Monday. See it Thursday. As

1079
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: we look at Week four,