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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: It's the almost Famous podcast as we've been covering the

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Speaker 2: fallout would have been Taylor Frankie Paul's season of the Bachelorette.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to bring you some additional headline news that

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Speaker 2: recently came out. This week, Alex Cooper of Call Her

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Speaker 2: Daddy announced the cast for her new YouTube show Unwell

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Speaker 2: Winter Games, premiering April sixth. Some Bachelor Nation favorites are

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Speaker 2: also in the mix. We have a lot to cover

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Speaker 2: when it comes to this episode. Let's start with the

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Speaker 2: Bachelor Nation favorites. Joe and Serena, who recently joined Alex

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Speaker 2: Cooper's podcasting network, are at this Unwell Winter Games. Heather.

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Speaker 2: We did a Winter Games for the Bachelor years ago.

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Speaker 2: Ashley and myself were both a part of it. We

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Speaker 2: were on this show. A lot happened in both of

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Speaker 2: our lives. For me, it was very uncomfortable. Didn't want

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Speaker 2: to be there and didn't want to be there, like

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Speaker 2: I was forced to be there. I chose to be there.

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Speaker 2: Once I got there, I was like, this is not

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Speaker 2: for me. I'm not ready for this yet. Ashley did

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Speaker 2: have a little bit of a love interest on the

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Speaker 2: show and also was very out of her element when

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Speaker 2: it came to winter sports, which added a very comedic

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Speaker 2: element for me living in the house. The show I

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Speaker 2: thought was like well done. It did not get great viewership.

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Speaker 2: Nobody really watched it, but if you did watch it,

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Speaker 2: I think you would say, yeah, that was a pretty

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Speaker 2: good show. It kept me entertain It had good competitions,

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Speaker 2: it had good challenges, It was a beautiful setting. There

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Speaker 2: was some great cast members there. They brought in people

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Speaker 2: from all over the world who are part of Bachelor

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Speaker 2: Nation in different countries to be a part of this.

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Speaker 2: I loved it. It was a lot of fun to

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Speaker 2: be in the house when it wasn't pressured for dating

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Speaker 2: or hey are you going to meet anybody? And all

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Speaker 2: those things. I'm curious if Alex Coopers is going to

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Speaker 2: be similar. I'm guessing it is going to be winter

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Speaker 2: sports focused, but it's almost summer, like we're moving out

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Speaker 2: of winter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it feels I wonder what you think about that.

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Speaker 3: It felt like maybe your show Winter Games was probably

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Speaker 3: not taped in the winter, or what ours was? Yours

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Speaker 3: was so how long was yours held on to? Then?

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Speaker 2: It was a pretty quick turnaround, Okay, it was not long.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So that's what I thought. I thought with this show.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, they probably just filmed this in

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Speaker 3: the winter in Utah, and the probably the goal was

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Speaker 3: to turn it around fairly quickly. And I feel like

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Speaker 3: a lot of these contestants having some stuff that's come

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Speaker 3: out in recent weeks that is slightly problematic.

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Speaker 2: Do you know this, This might be a little bit

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Speaker 2: too much. This news just came out to us. We're

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Speaker 2: just learning about this show, just understanding the cast. I

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Speaker 2: saw him in social media that Joe and Serena were

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Speaker 2: in Utah. It looks like, so are they filming it

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Speaker 2: and putting it out within like the same week.

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Speaker 3: No, I think that this was already filmed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this was already filmed.

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Speaker 3: So when were you seeing Joe and Serena in Utah today?

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Speaker 2: On social media? On Joe's social media, they posted, I

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Speaker 2: would love to understand if this is going to be

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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: I get the vibe that they these clips you're seeing

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Speaker 3: on their social media were held. I think these are

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Speaker 3: I think these are old. Okay, Yeah, because because I

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Speaker 3: can't imagine Dakota filming a show right now, because he

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Speaker 3: has full custody of his son with Taylor, So like,

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Speaker 3: how would he even be navigating that right now?

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Speaker 2: Let's die into this. Obviously, we love Joe and Serena.

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Speaker 2: They're great, they're fun, they're sweet, they're great. There's not

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Speaker 2: I'm glad they are on TVs again. They're good people.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna be a lot of fun. But there are

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Speaker 2: some interesting cast members that are a part of this show. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What I'm really curious to see if Dakota is going

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Speaker 2: canceled due to a situation that you're involved in, that

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Speaker 2: that just happened, and that you'd be promoting your show

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Speaker 3: It feels super weird. It would feel very strange if

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Speaker 3: actually in the last twenty four hours, but I can

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Speaker 3: pull it up right now. But yeah, I think that

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Speaker 3: I'm on where I'm competing and maybe flirting. Like I don't.

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Speaker 3: We don't really know the full concept of what's going

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Speaker 3: some of them aren't. I just looked at his Instagram.

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Speaker 3: He has not posted anything, so he's not promoting this

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Speaker 3: because she's currently in a defamation lawsuit with vander Pump

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Speaker 3: we've got this pending domestic violence think going on with Dakota.

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Speaker 3: We also have Huda from this past season of Love Island,

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Speaker 3: I think also I noticed Alex Cooper, when she announced

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Speaker 3: left her Unwell brand to do all the rest of

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Speaker 3: the posting. I think that that was a calculated thing

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Speaker 3: some of the comments that I've seen, but I think

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Speaker 3: It's sets premiere on YouTube next week. It's four episodes

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Speaker 3: and brings together sixteen contestants at a luxury chalet in

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Speaker 3: the final team prize. In addition, competitors will individually compete

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Speaker 3: for cash prizes throughout the challenges that make up the competition.

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Speaker 3: The series was shot this past winner and was approved

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Speaker 3: for film incentive money by the Utah Board of Tourism Development.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, so it was shot already, they've decided to

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Speaker 2: come out with it. Yeah, And I think that's an

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Speaker 2: element here that we should discuss. You didn't mention Anna Delvy.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Anna Delvy being in the cast obviously is

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Speaker 3: a very controversial move. You did you know what her

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've watched the whole Netflix show and then also

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Speaker 2: she was on Dance with the Stars. Yeah, I guess,

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Speaker 2: And just help me make sense of it. I look

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Speaker 2: Like some stuff that we should be I would assume

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Speaker 2: And yet it feels like those are the people right

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Speaker 2: and I'll say it feels to me almost hypocritical for

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Speaker 2: Taylor Frankie Paul. And again I don't agree with what

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Speaker 2: think the show should have aired. Yeah, for that season

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Speaker 2: and Heather, you've been tracking this and following this, like, yes, well,

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Speaker 2: the video in twenty twenty three is really bad. It

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Speaker 2: he's not clean in all of this yet either.

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Speaker 3: No, there's a huge question mark on what happened in February.

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Speaker 3: We still don't know he has said one thing, she

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Speaker 3: with that. So who's to say this show starts, you know,

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Speaker 3: what she's been accused of, violent threats, things like that.

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Speaker 3: And I just think that there's no way that these

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Speaker 3: when they were in the process of making the announcement

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Speaker 3: of their cast. I think the Internet is more of

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Speaker 2: Is it a different standard when it comes to network

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. They're not having to cater to the

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Speaker 3: not on necessarily ads. So that's your free will right

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Speaker 3: I would expect so. And it goes back though to

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Speaker 3: choosing to make the pull. It's a morality decision at

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Speaker 3: some point, do you morally want to continue to give

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Speaker 3: And does this fit with the Alex Cooper brand that

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Speaker 3: which is very female forward, very female independent, very women's

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Speaker 3: Frankie Paul helping her to set the record straight as

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Speaker 3: to why she deserved this opportunity about her background taking

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Speaker 3: But then we're further away from winter. The longer you pause,

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Speaker 2: What happens, Heather, You've been in this world for a

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Speaker 3: Well, maybe our listeners should tell us if they want

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Speaker 2: It's always a gift to have you. Thanks for the

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