1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Hey, Ryan Divish is here and you can follow him 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: hat Ryan Divish and he writes for the Seattle Times. 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: And it is tough times in Seattle right now. So Ryan, 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: good to see you. I'm glad to see you outside 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: touching grass. But tell me how Mariners fans are doing 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: right now and how the city of Seattle is handling 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: what just happened. 8 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: You know, it's not quite like it was after the 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: game where it was Lord of the Flies and you know, 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: people were freaking out. It's I think they're starting to 11 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 2: kind of accept the idea what had happened, the outcome. 12 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 2: I think the problem is is a lot of people, 13 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 2: a lot of the fans are digging into some of 14 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: the numbers, are going back through and reading some of 15 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 2: the coverage and hearing what people said and everything else. 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: And I think that's what is still incensing. A lot 17 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: of fans is kind of going back and looking at it. 18 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: You know, you have the time to react. I always 19 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: say that people on Twitter, it's like they shoot first 20 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: and aim later, and they react first and then they 21 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: think about it later. But I don't know that going 22 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: back and rereading or rethinking or even kind of looking 23 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: at all the details that went into that crazy seventh 24 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 2: inning is gonna make them feel any better. 25 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 3: Well, let's do. Let's let's dig right in. Since you 26 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: know you're in Montana. You got out of town before 27 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 3: you know, things got nasty there in Seattle. But would 28 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: you have brought in Andres Munhoz. I know that Bizardo 29 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 3: had a high strand rate of runners, and people are 30 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 3: throwing that at me on Twitter, saying like, well, look 31 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 3: at his strand rate. 32 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 4: It's top ten in baseball. 33 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 3: True, but at the same time, it wasn't the series 34 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 3: on the line, the season on the line, and you 35 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 3: have one of the best closers in baseball that hadn't 36 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 3: pitched at all in this series. 37 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 5: Really. 38 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't gotten back to God's Country yet, Agent, 39 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: I'm still in a I'm in Washington. It's just as 40 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: beautiful here as Montana, just a little different. 41 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 4: No, So here's my thinking on this. 42 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: And you know the other guys that we were with, 43 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: you know, Adam Jude and Tim Booth, my other guys 44 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: that cover. When they brought in Bizarto, I was kind 45 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: of stunned. I wasn't watching the bullpen. I knew they 46 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 2: were gonna go there and to me, the Mariner's pitching philosophy. 47 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: A lot of times Pete Woodworth always says it is like, 48 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: if you're gonna get beat by a hit or get 49 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: beat by your best pitch, Well, if you're gonna get 50 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: beat in a leverage situation, don't you want your best 51 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: leverage reliever? And to me, everything about that situation he 52 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 2: needed a strikeout. Who is better at getting a strikeout 53 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: on the Mariner's bullpen than Andris Munno's. I mean, like, 54 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: this is a guy that didn't allow a hit during 55 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: the postseason, hadn't allowed a run. You're looking for a 56 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 2: swing and miss. George Springer hadn't seen him since July 57 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four. He'd seen Edward Bizardo three times 58 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 2: already in the series, including the day before when Bizarro 59 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: oddly pitched two innings in a game they were down 60 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: four runs. So I just thought, like, to me, if 61 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: you're going to go in that situation and you have 62 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 2: the leverage point in that situation, you go with your 63 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: best guy. 64 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 4: You can figure out the ninth. 65 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 2: I think they plan for Munos to go to innings 66 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: in that game, but you know you have you can't 67 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: save him for a lead in a ninth inning, you 68 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 2: don't have You can't allow yourself. 69 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 4: You you got up, you had a lead. 70 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: Everything's like trending towards you clinching, and you have to 71 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: go with your best in the most difficult situation. 72 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 3: Okay, can we also can we also put something else 73 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 3: to bed? You weren't walking George Springer right there to 74 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: get to Lucas. Okay, let's let's all the Mariner fans 75 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 3: are like, oh, they should have walked him. No, because 76 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: then you're bringing Vlad into play, right, Well, who's there 77 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: do they old series are trying to avoid in these situations? Goes? Okay, 78 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 3: let's say Lucas goes up there and punches out on 79 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 3: three pitches. Well, then Vlad comes up with the basis 80 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 3: load and you got to get him out with Bizarreto, 81 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 3: a guy he's seen a bunch of times too. So 82 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 3: let's also can we please div can you please put 83 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 3: that to bed for me, that they should not have 84 00:03:59,400 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 3: walked him. 85 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not even a ru You know, that's not 86 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: a good idea at any level. You can't assume you're 87 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: going to get a double play ball. I mean, you 88 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: know when they official score you can't assume that you're 89 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: going to get a double play on a play if 90 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: they make a mistake. Can't assume that you're going to 91 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: get a double play ball. 92 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 4: And so no, you don't. 93 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 2: So like if you do it properly, if let's say 94 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: Munos gets the strikeout or gets Kurby, even if he 95 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: gives up a run like on a sackfly, then he 96 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: strikes out Lucas, then you have Muno's coming back for 97 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 2: the next inning and Vlad's leading off with nobody on base. 98 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 2: And if you get through that without massive damage, all 99 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's the back end of the Toronto 100 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 2: order in the ninth and Vlad is seven hitters away 101 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: from coming to the plate. All you had to do 102 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: was find a way to minimize the damage in the seventh, 103 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 2: and then you you have set yourself up because like 104 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: I said, if you if you get the first you get, 105 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 2: if you get Springer out and Lucas out, then you 106 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: have Lad leading off the eighth, so he's coming to 107 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: play with nobody on base. Then you can get creative 108 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: if you want to walk in him or do whatever. 109 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: But like I just think, to me, the worst possible 110 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: scenario in that situation was or George Springer hitting a 111 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: home run. Do we really think that if Andris Munoz 112 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: comes in, he's giving up the homer. 113 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 4: He might give up a hit. 114 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,239 Speaker 2: He gave up some hits in the in the next inning, 115 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 2: but you know that doesn't lose you the game. The 116 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 2: worst possible scenario is Springer hitting a bomb and you 117 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 2: lose the lead. It's not tired or whatever, and then 118 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 2: you have to play differently in the final, in your 119 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: final six out. So I just think, you know, to me, 120 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,559 Speaker 2: it wasn't that critical. I mean, the one thing I thought, 121 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: maybe is if you're looking to trying to you know, 122 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 2: plan out your game. George Kirby was actually throwing better 123 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 2: in the third and the fourth, and he wasn't the first. 124 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: In the second, his velocity was ticking up even more. 125 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 2: The movement on his pitches was better than the third 126 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: and the fourth. Maybe if you wanted to start him 127 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 2: in the fifth and let him face because I think 128 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 2: it would have been Barger or I can't remember who 129 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: it was. It was the bottom of the order coming 130 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: to Springer. If you wanted to go that way, you know, 131 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: start him in the fifth. But they were so cognizant 132 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: about not starting Brian Wu in the middle of an inning, 133 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: but even then you have all your leverage levers available. 134 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: So if you start Kirby in the fifth, maybe he 135 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: gives up a base runner, then you go to Bizardo, 136 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 2: or then you go to Matt Brash and kind of 137 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: clean it up, because I also have Bryce Miller still 138 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: sitting in the dugout ready to pitch one inning and 139 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: throw it as hard as he could, and he was 140 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: probably the best pitcher for the Mariners in the entire series. 141 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 4: So I just I thought, like I think they had 142 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 4: it planned out. 143 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: I think they're hoping three from Kirby, three or four 144 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 2: from Kirby, two from Wu, two from Munyos and figure 145 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 2: out the other one inning. 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Visit cash app, Dot app Slash 177 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: Legal Slash podcast for full disclosures. 178 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 5: That's exactly a perfect transfer to me where I can 179 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 5: only relate to it on our twenty sixteen Cleveland run 180 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 5: where we had Andrew Miller at the time and Cody 181 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 5: Allen at the back of the bullpen. We don't go 182 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 5: on our run unless Tito handles that bullpen the way 183 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 5: he did, and where if exact same situation seventh inning 184 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 5: we might have second and third, you need to strike out. 185 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 5: Why wait for the eighth inning for Andrew Miller or 186 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 5: something like that. We just brought him in rate then 187 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 5: get that strikeout, get through to it, and then you 188 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 5: can kind of flip flop or miss or manage your 189 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 5: way from there. But it also happened again another thing 190 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 5: where I think we threw Andrew Miller in like Game 191 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 5: four or five when we shouldn't have our two winnings, 192 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 5: and then brought him back the next day. So stuff was, 193 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 5: he's probably a little tired. Guys had just seen him, 194 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 5: so even another reason to maybe not use him. There 195 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 5: Bizardo there, So it really does it coincides. We don't 196 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 5: get as far as we did without Tito pulling the 197 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 5: right triggers and the right strings. But there's one that 198 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 5: I can be questioned. I think the manager Dan Wilson 199 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 5: is going to be facing questions about that because you 200 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 5: just said it's the highest leverage situation right there, give 201 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 5: me your highest leverage pitcher. So I think it just 202 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 5: lines up there. What I want to transfer over to though, 203 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 5: is kind of where do they go from here with 204 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 5: their their roster. Then you've got two big free agents 205 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 5: looming ahead. You got a Suarez Naylor who'll become free 206 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 5: agents again. What do you see happening with the two 207 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 5: of them? Do you see them both going bull staying 208 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 5: or maybe keeping one or what do you see Seattle's 209 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 5: moves this offseason? 210 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: Well, they'll have three actually too, because I think Polonco 211 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: has a player option and it's only like six million, 212 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 2: so he'll opt out of that and want to get 213 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: paid for his season. And I think, you know, there's 214 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: three guys there. I think they're hopeful. You know, the 215 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 2: priority is probably Naylor because he's such a good fit. 216 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 2: I think their best chance is to bring back Polonco 217 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: because he likes how Seattle feels, you know, as a 218 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: guy that only had one, you know, only played in 219 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 2: one organization before being traded to Seattle and didn't want to, 220 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 2: you know, try something different this past offseason and came 221 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 2: back to Seattle. 222 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 4: Not exactly a place where you go to rebuild your numbers. 223 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 4: But he's very comfortable. 224 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: They're comfortable with Julio Rodriguez and Edgar Martinez is one 225 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: of the hitting coaches, and Kevin Seitzer. So I think, 226 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 2: you know, they have a chance to get Polanco back 227 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 2: if they give him market value. Naylor will be the 228 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: interesting one, you know. I think with Suarez they'll look 229 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: at it, but they're not gonna, you know, give him 230 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: fifteen million or something like that. They're just not going 231 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: to They they you know, the priorities are probably Naylor 232 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: and Polanco in that order. 233 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: Okay, div what are they gonna do about their pitching 234 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 3: because I know they're not going to keep the payroll 235 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: going up. We've learned that about the Mariners. That's one 236 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: thing they're not gonna do. And if they have Naylor, 237 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: they have Polonco, they have Suarez as free agency. But 238 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 3: at some point this pitching staff is gonna start getting expensive. 239 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 3: So are they gonna try and sign any of these 240 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 3: guys to a long term deal. Are they gonna try 241 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: and maybe think about trading one of them to get 242 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 3: some money off the books? How are they going to 243 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 3: handle this? Because Munos is getting close to arbitration. Logan Gilbert, 244 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 3: Brian Wu, George Kirby Castillo is already locked up to 245 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 3: obviously to a team friend the deal. But how do 246 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 3: they make this all work because their strength as they're. 247 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: Pitching, Yeah, I haven't you know, they offered Logan Gilbert 248 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 2: an extension kind of before he was even in the 249 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: big leagues, kind of the I don't know. It wasn't 250 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: like an Ebon White extension, but what you see from 251 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: teams and they offer a guy that hasn't really debuted yet. 252 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: It wasn't for a lot of money. Kirby, I don't 253 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: know that they've had any of the discussions. I don't 254 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 2: know that they believe that those guys are that interested 255 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: in signing extensions. Of the group, maybe Bryce Miller is 256 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 2: the most likely to sign an extension because he wants 257 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: his ranch in Texas. But that's something they're gonna run into, 258 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: and I think, you know, for them, probably what they're 259 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 2: thinking is is like run it back for next year 260 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: if possible, with most of the same guys, with your 261 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: core guys, and then make the harder decisions a year 262 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: from now. But Logan Gilbert is going to get a 263 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: lot more expensive, you know, even with a year where 264 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: he wasn't you know, didn't get the thirty starts that 265 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: he normally does. His arbitration number is still going to 266 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 2: go up. Kirby's arbitration number is still going to go up. 267 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 2: It's all going to add their incremental you know, it's 268 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: like inflation. It's all going up. And so their payroll 269 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 2: is going to go up without even signing these other guys, 270 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: I think, you know, they certainly can't claim poor. You 271 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 2: make it to the alcs, all the all the benefits 272 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 2: of a postseason run. Not to mention they with the 273 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 2: last week of the season, they went over their attendance 274 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: figures from last year. So they have money, Like they 275 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: don't like to add a ton of payroll, but it's 276 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 2: not because they can't. 277 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 4: That's the difference. 278 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: They can, you know, And I think if you don't 279 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 2: capitalize on this moment, like everybody says, oh, this is 280 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 2: a beginning, not the end. That's fine, It's only a beginning. 281 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: If you continue to invest and make the team better. 282 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: There are obvious holes you're looking at. You know, first 283 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: and third are undecided, you know, whether you you know, 284 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: they have to make a decision on whether they want 285 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: to bring Randy a rose Aorana back at eighteen million 286 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 2: dollars a year or if they want to move him 287 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 2: in his final year and try and you know, supplement somehow. 288 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 4: Get more big league pieces. 289 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 2: But they have pieces that they need to add, and 290 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: the pitching is part of it, Like they don't they 291 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: need to add another middle reliever. So their their payroll 292 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: is going to have to increase, and it can't just 293 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 2: increase by you know, everybody getting a little bit more 294 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: in salary arbitration and everything costing a little bit more. No, 295 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: it's you have to capitalize on this opportunity. And it's 296 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 2: something they failed to do in twenty twenty two where 297 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 2: they they make the postseason, you know, upset the Blue 298 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 2: Jays in the first round, and then you know, lose 299 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 2: the Astros, but everybody's excited, and then they have two 300 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 2: straight years where they don't really do a whole lot 301 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: in the off season. I just think you've got to 302 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 2: capitalize on it now. You know, and and like, to 303 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: be honest, they didn't do a lot this past offseason. 304 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: They went and got all their pieces really at the deadline. 305 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: Or hey, Polanco was their major free agent signing, and 306 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: it was more of a you know, a high or 307 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 2: low risk, high reward. 308 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 4: They weren't. 309 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: I think they offered it where they pay seven points 310 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: of five million with a vesting option. I mean, that's 311 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: that's not a huge investment, and it paid off. But 312 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: I don't know that you can try and run that 313 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: same game plan back again where you don't do a 314 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 2: lot and then try and supplement at the deadline. It's 315 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 2: just a tough way to live. 316 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: Dev I don't know if you know this, but the 317 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 3: wind is blowing like from this my coffee this side. 318 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 4: It's that coffee. 319 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: No, it's forty five degrees here in ording So I'm 320 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: like hanging out in Washington. 321 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 4: Now we can put some beautiful weather forty five degrees. 322 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 3: We can put some you know, a sweatshirt or something on. 323 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 4: You know. Oh, this is perfect. 324 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: After the after sitting in the press box in Detroit 325 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: and in Toronto where there's no air moving, this is 326 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: this is beautiful fresh air. 327 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well, you brought it up, and I 328 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 3: want to know the answer this. Did the did the 329 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 3: ownership learn anything from this year? Right? Meaning after twenty 330 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 3: two they didn't really do anything. Fans were pissed. Cal 331 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 3: Rawley had to come out and say what he said, 332 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 3: I remember in twenty three and then oh no, I 333 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 3: didn't really say that, just kidding, right, And then this 334 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 3: year they go out and they make the trade for Suarez, 335 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 3: they make the trade for Nailor, they do some things 336 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 3: and they get I mean as close as you can 337 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 3: get to the World Series without making it. Did the 338 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 3: ownership of the Maritors learn anything that, hey, if we 339 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 3: just spend a little bit on this team, we might 340 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 3: actually make history. 341 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: I would think so, But again, you never know, how Like, 342 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: they make a lot of business decisions when it comes 343 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: to baseball, so you would think that they would look 344 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: at it and say, you know, you have to invest 345 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 2: in a product to get maximum output in terms of 346 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: your revenues that you want to generate. I think honestly, 347 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: them moving away from from their regional sports network and 348 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 2: not in just going straight to MLB and dealing with that, 349 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 2: I think that provides a little clarity. 350 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 4: But yeah, they again they have money. 351 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 2: This isn't a situation where they're really not. Every team 352 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: has money. It's whether or not you're on comfortable to 353 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: add a little bit more than maybe your your numbers, 354 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: or your algorithms or your budgets that you've used traditionally. 355 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 4: To add. 356 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 2: Just you know, go against it, get uncomfortable. What do 357 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 2: they always say about players that want to get better? 358 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 2: You have to, you know, you have to be willing 359 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: to get uncomfortable to learn to get better. I think 360 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: for these guys, for the ownership, Hey, you know what, 361 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 2: get uncomfortable a little bit, go in some territory where 362 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: you've never been before, add some money that you wouldn't 363 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: normally do. 364 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 4: Because it's right there. The core is right there. You know. 365 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 2: We talked to JP Crawford about Josh Naylor and what 366 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: it would mean to come back, and he was just adamant, 367 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 2: like we got to find a way to bring him 368 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 2: back because they know what the fit is. Okay, they've 369 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: never really done a four year, eighty million dollar contract 370 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: for somebody. 371 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 4: I think you got it. I mean I think you gotta. 372 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 2: You have to get You have to look at what 373 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: you need and value that more than what you're willing 374 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: to pay. 375 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 4: And I think that's the big thing. 376 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: At times they've been I think they've been resistant to 377 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 2: taking risks, risk averse. But to get to where you 378 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 2: want to go and to get to the World Series, 379 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: you have to take risks. I mean, yeah, you might 380 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 2: lose on a guy, or you might have a bad signing, 381 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 2: but you know, I think you don't really care at 382 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: this point. 383 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 4: You have to get back. 384 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 2: I mean, you cannot let what happened this year and 385 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 2: what this team did and what the fans were like 386 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 2: in that Game five against Detroit or Game five against 387 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 2: the Blue Jays. You can't let that go by. You 388 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: can't let it slip out of your hands. You have 389 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 2: to capitalize on the momentum you've built and come back 390 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: and show fans that, hey, we really believe in this group, 391 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: and then move forward. And I mean, if you want 392 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: to resign other guys, if you want to attract free agents, 393 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 2: then you have to show that you're ready to commit 394 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 2: to winning on a consistent basis beyond just draft, develop 395 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 2: and sign. 396 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 4: You want to be you know, you wanted to move 397 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 4: to a higher level. 398 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: This episode of Foul Territory is brought to you by 399 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: Fox one. 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I'm just saying it's crazy, 419 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: a little late. 420 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 4: I would like to kill those roosters and make them. 421 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 3: Okay, they're a little late. It's ten ten thirty out there. 422 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 3: Tell them they're a little late frat boy rooster. Yes, 423 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 3: all right. So now what was your favorite team baseball 424 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 3: team growing up? 425 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 4: Was it the Mariners? 426 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 2: No, Being in Montana, you're equidistant between the Mariners and 427 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 2: the Twins. And my family had family in Minneapolis. So 428 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 2: the first I think fifteen big league games I saw, 429 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: we're all in the Metrodome. Love Kirby Pucket more than 430 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 2: anything else. 431 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 3: Okay, So if if you were a fan of Kirby 432 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 3: Pucket and you saw him standing in an airport, would 433 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 3: you recognize him? I know he's passed away and I 434 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 3: love Kirby, but would you recognize him? By the way, 435 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 3: the correct answer was me. But other than that, go ahead. 436 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:00,719 Speaker 2: I saw you play when I I was in college. 437 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 2: Actually it was in Minnesota. I saw a few games there. 438 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 2: I would recognize him, Yeah, I think. I mean he 439 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 2: was kind of unique looking because he was built like 440 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 2: a fire hydrant, you know, so it was like, you know, 441 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: you could, you would recognize him. 442 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 3: Okay. The reason I asked is I told this story 443 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 3: After Game five in Seattle. I was flying back to Orlando, 444 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 3: where I live, and Ken Griffy Junr Was standing next 445 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 3: to me and we chatted for thirty to forty five minutes, 446 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 3: and all these Seattle people had Griffy jerseys on and 447 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 3: Seattle Mariners this, and he stood there. Not one Seattle 448 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 3: person came up to him. It is that, Am I 449 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 3: the only one that's like, I cannot believe that nobody 450 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 3: recognized Ken Griffy Junior standing in the Seattle airport for 451 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 3: like forty five minutes. 452 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's pretty amazing. 453 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 2: I mean I would think maybe it's just the awe 454 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 2: of seeing him, or maybe they were just terrified that 455 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 2: you were his bodyguard and they didn't want to get 456 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: near him. 457 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 4: I'm stunned by that. 458 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 2: Then again, you know what it's like, there are more 459 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 2: people recognize the dumpier guy in the T shirt than 460 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 2: they do probably James Paxton standing in an airport too, 461 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 2: So I it's I'm always kind of stunned by that. 462 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 2: I I always want I was planning on doing a 463 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 2: story on cal Rawley going to Costco because he went 464 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 2: to Costco one day to try and get some snacks 465 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: and you get a hot dog, and it didn't go 466 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 2: well for him, Like he got recognized right away and 467 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 2: he never did get the hot dog. 468 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 4: He was pretty disappointed. 469 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 2: So I wanted to go do a story on that, 470 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 2: like it's and I don't think and you know, like 471 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: you look at Callan, you don't think, oh, he's a 472 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: big league player. You look at him and think, oh, 473 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 2: probably a policeman or you know, construction guy. 474 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 4: But he gets recognized. 475 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 2: So I can't believe I'm going to text Junior and 476 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 2: make fun of him about that too. 477 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: Though, please please do that sounds like a sequel article. Yeah, 478 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: I would like to follow up. 479 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 3: Caw was just pissed because you can't get that one 480 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 3: fifty dollars fifty hot dog at Costco whatever it is. 481 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 4: He wanted the hot dog. 482 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 2: He wanted the pretzels, the pretzel bites with the peanut 483 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:56,479 Speaker 2: butter inside him. 484 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 4: He loves those things. 485 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: I think he's popular enough now that he can tell 486 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: the klubby chef and he can whip that up for him. 487 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: But he's got the off season to work on his 488 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: menu for next year that he can request. He'll be 489 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: there for a long time. Ryan, good stuff man, great coverage, 490 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: and thanks for hopping on. 491 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 3: Don't freeze the death of montane okay? 492 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 4: Hell and I'll. 493 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 2: I'll you know if you if I send out a 494 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: picture of meat and fried chicken. 495 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 4: You'll know it's the roosters from next door. 496 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: And next time we have you on. If we don't 497 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: hear that, we know what happened. 498 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 4: Appreciate you man, talk soon, Thank you, snee. 499 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: Right, all right, so we've got the recap on umpires 500 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: in the league championship series. What's up? Oh, one hundred 501 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: and twenty one hundred and twelve calls missed? 502 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 3: Okay, and how many games? Six of the eleven. 503 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: Games had below league average correct call rates. 504 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 3: That's not good. 505 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 7: That's not good. 506 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 3: Can we get the score cards? 507 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 7: Yeah? 508 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: Well, I'm a specific at bat that I want to 509 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: look at with you guys. 510 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 5: I think they do it, but this should be the 511 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 5: best of the best, or whoever's had the highest scores 512 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 5: should be the ones doing it. It's like the way 513 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 5: you earn your way into that. But I don't think 514 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 5: they do so. 515 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 3: The guy, the guy a couple of years ago, I 516 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 3: had the highest scores for the year, got suspec got 517 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 3: kicked out for gambling. So that's true. 518 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 4: I don't know. 519 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: But the thing is, their scoring system, KIP is not 520 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 1: just tied to how they do calling balls and strikes, right, 521 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: It's even like how they handle player relations right and 522 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: all of that. So I just think that there should 523 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: be a who's the top ten on the home plate rank? 524 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: And we've done this before, we talked about this, so 525 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: I want to I want to focus on a specific situation, 526 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: Geno Suarez against Chris Bassett. Bassett throws that seventy two 527 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: mile an hour curve called strike three to get Gino 528 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: in a big spot in Game seven. Let's run what 529 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: Gino said first, and then we'll show you why he 530 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: was pissed. So he said that was the same pitch 531 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: you called. 532 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 3: Ball, and then you didn't say that. 533 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: What did he say a little. 534 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 4: More than a little more. 535 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: Let's show the pitches. Here's the thing, he's actually wrong. 536 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: Both of them were strikes, Kip, I mean the ABS 537 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: system next year, if he challenges that, he loses. 538 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm saying he was even further inside of 539 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 5: the last one. But that's the problem when if number two, 540 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 5: because he's compared it to his number two pitch, if 541 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 5: that number two pitch was called a ball, I would 542 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 5: be even more irate if I was Suarez on that one, 543 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 5: but the first one was called a strike and it 544 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 5: was full count. You should be kind of swinging at 545 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 5: that pitch anyways, But I remember doing that a bunch 546 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,239 Speaker 5: where ball is on the on the black or right 547 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 5: on the outside of the zone, and I'm just like, hey, 548 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 5: is that as far as it goes? And then it 549 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 5: will be uh. He's like, yep, it'll be like literally 550 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 5: half the ball out from that and it'll be called 551 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 5: the ball. It's like you're a man of your words, 552 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 5: so you have these kind of conversations throughout the bat 553 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 5: with it, but you're just guys know their zones. 554 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 7: This is what we do. We like we put the. 555 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 5: Baseball from our t drills into the cages to every 556 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 5: at bat, we learn what the zone is. So we're 557 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 5: usually up on that and we allow a little gray area, 558 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 5: but we just want a consistent great area. If you're 559 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 5: going to give the inside all night, that's fine, but 560 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 5: just be on your your p's and q's on the 561 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 5: on the outside. 562 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 7: We won't want that to remain the name. So we 563 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 7: just want consistency. 564 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 3: I think, Okay, here here's a different side of this. 565 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 3: Maybe Kirk framed it better. Second one. Also, maybe the 566 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 3: umpire said to Johannio earlier, hey man, I missed that one. 567 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 3: We don't know. We only saw the end. Maybe said, 568 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 3: oh man, I missed that one. I need to get 569 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 3: that next time. But next one is three too, We 570 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 3: don't know that. 571 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, two different pitches too, so they get perceived differently. 572 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 3: Yes, and they both were strikes technically, yeah, they were 573 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 3: both strikes. Strikes. Yeah, I don't know. There's a million 574 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 3: ways to look at this. Some bars generally do a 575 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: good job. Am I looking forward to abs, absolutely, because 576 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 3: I can't wait to see who gets to tap their 577 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 3: head and who doesn't. 578 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: But in this case, he doesn't have an argument. 579 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 3: Wait, it doesn't because they were both strikes. If he 580 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 3: goes back and he looks at it now. Also, I 581 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 3: will say this, I don't know who does the little 582 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 3: dots on the little screen, because there's probably some college 583 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 3: kid that's like you were in college, eat a bunch 584 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 3: of gummy nerds and how it's from stack cast. Yeah, 585 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 3: but there's someone's got to be pressing the button. 586 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's that cast. 587 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 3: Because we used to have back back before stack cast, 588 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 3: we used to have a inside edge or whatever it's called. 589 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,959 Speaker 3: There were literally we'd watched the thing and they chow 590 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 3: us where the dot was and We're like, damn, what 591 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 3: was this kid doing sitting up at three am in 592 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 3: his dorm room pressing the wrong spot and you're like, 593 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 3: that's not where it was. 594 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 1: That's different. Okay, it's auto now. But here's the thing. 595 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: Let's paint this picture next year, same exact spot. Okay. 596 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: Gino's up and that pitch is called the ball, the 597 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: second pitch of the Abu sweeper. Let's say the team 598 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: doesn't challenge it. Chris Bassett and company, they don't challenge it. Okay, 599 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: fast forward later in that IB called strike three, he's pissed. 600 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: The consistency doesn't go away, or the inconsistency doesn't go away, 601 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: because it's not judging every pitch. So if Gino's like, 602 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: what the hell challenge boom, you're wrong. That's a strike. 603 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: That's what it was. So it's not. If you want 604 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: that kind of consistency, you need abs on every pitch. 605 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: We're not getting that. Players didn't want that. 606 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 3: I don't want that either, Okay, So. 607 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 5: There and I was I was I misspoke earlier. So 608 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 5: he did call it a ball first. So that's why 609 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 5: as far as it's even more mad because it was 610 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 5: even more inside. And then that's why so I said, 611 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 5: he called it a strike earlier, but three to two. Uh, 612 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 5: it's a tough one. 613 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 7: I don't know. 614 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 5: It's a tough one to he's taken it because it 615 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 5: literally was just called the ball earlier in that I 616 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 5: bet so. 617 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 7: The inconsistency is what got to him. 618 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 5: The ABS is to remove the inconsistency and just to 619 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 5: get the call right. I think that's all we want 620 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 5: to really, all we care about is getting the call right. 621 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: Does Gino really know the exact spot where that's landing 622 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: when he's taking that the. 623 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 3: Same pitch he was, It was not the same pitch 624 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 3: the Empire was right though. 625 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: It was a sweeper and then a curve, but. 626 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 3: It wasn't the same spot either. They didn't even touch 627 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 3: each other. 628 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: Yeah they're close, but no, not. 629 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 3: That's a spot. That's like saying I'm close to Canada 630 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 3: right now? How close that? I'm not that close, but 631 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 3: I'm close. 632 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you're closer than Asia is true. How tough 633 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: is that pitch? Specifically during that ab when he unleashes 634 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: that very rare epic curveball, I. 635 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 3: Mean, it's you just you have a hard hope he 636 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 3: throws it for a ball. 637 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 5: Right, that ninety four looks like ninety nine then because 638 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 5: you just got to get your weight back on both 639 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 5: or you just got to get your hands ready for 640 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 5: the fastball. 641 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 7: So it really does add it to the other pitches too. 642 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: But I mean he went sweeper, sinker, sinker, cutter, sinker, 643 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: and those were all obviously. Actually the sweeper was was 644 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: seventy three ish and then curveball. Good sequencing. 645 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 5: Yeah's different sweeper and a slider technically nothing horizontal. 646 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: Okay, more horizontal break slur. 647 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a slur. They just invented some guys. Listen, 648 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 3: you know this. Some guys had more horizontal on their slider. 649 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 3: Some guy has more more vertical. But they just wanted 650 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 3: to come up with a different name so they could 651 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 3: categorize it. And by the way, I said this when 652 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 3: I did my broadcast, can we stop calling a high 653 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 3: two seamer a sinker? It's not. It's just a two seamer. 654 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 3: He's just trying to get run across the zone at 655 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 3: the top because as you know, kip high sinkers, they 656 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 3: don't sink. They only sink over the fence usually, so 657 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 3: you're not trying to they're not trying to make the 658 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 3: ball start at your chest and go to your thighs. 659 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 3: They're just trying to start at your chest and run 660 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 3: it across the zone. So can we stop calling that 661 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 3: a sinker. It's not a sinker. It's a two seemer. 662 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 4: I'm with you. 663 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 5: They're just trying to start it at the barrel and 664 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 5: go to the end of the bet exactly. 665 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: Wait, so then, do you want stat cast to change. 666 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 3: Whoever calls whoever calls this pitch right here a sinker 667 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 3: when it's really George Kirby was doing it at ninety 668 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 3: eight and he was just throwing two seamers that would 669 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 3: start here and end up over here instead of the 670 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 3: four seamer, which stays truer. Right, that's not a sinker, 671 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 3: because a sinker, you're really you're literally trying to get 672 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 3: the ball to go down, right, He's not trying to 673 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 3: get the ball to go down down, He's trying to 674 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 3: get the ball to go from here to here. So 675 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 3: that's not a sinker. That's a two seamer. 676 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: So should we label all of them two seamers or 677 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: do we still have sinkers if they're. 678 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 3: Yes, some guys, but some guys throw one seams sinkers right, 679 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 3: So I mean, you know this, kip. Some guys throw 680 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,719 Speaker 3: the one seamer that just goes straight down right. Some 681 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 3: guys thow two seamers that has more horizontal and down. 682 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 3: And then some guys were never able to get the 683 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 3: ball to go down, so they just throw a ball 684 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 3: that goes this way. 685 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 7: I like those guys usually, Yeah. 686 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 3: Those are usually the ones. If it's a righty on 687 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 3: the lefty, those are usually the ones you could get 688 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 3: that you could go from here and just go fuck. 689 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 7: Yep, lefties look forward to those guys. 690 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: Yes, well this this this will be the last four 691 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: to seven games in Major League history that don't have 692 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: a challenge system or abs involvement. In the future, we 693 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: might have autoballs and strikes for everything, but this will 694 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: be the last time that machinery is not involved with this, kip. 695 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 5: So kidding, question for you, is there a deal with 696 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 5: it where it's like we're going to give this a 697 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 5: five year, ten year run or is this just like 698 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 5: implemented and this is the rule now, or is it 699 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 5: just like is there any kind of trial period. 700 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: Deal implemented. Here's the deal. They feel like they tested 701 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: enough everywhere and that this is the next step in 702 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: terms of calling balls and strikes. I think there's still 703 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: a chance that in the future all of this is 704 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: called be a machinery, but I think we're far away 705 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: from that. I think this is going to be a 706 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: roaring success and people are going to like it, and 707 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: baseball's a business, and they're going to like the fact 708 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: that the challenge system creates a lot more in interesting 709 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: content for everyone, for umps, for teams, for fans. Right, 710 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: everyone can get involved on that. So I actually think 711 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: that it's going to be so successful that if anything, 712 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: maybe we because what did we say, we have two 713 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: and most of us were pissed that we want three, 714 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: So maybe, if anything, they added three or four whatever 715 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: it is. But you just give teams more of the 716 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: ability to challenge versus going on every pitch. 717 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 7: Yeah, if you win, right, you wouldn't. 718 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 4: You keep it? 719 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: Yeah? But but no like oh, we're going to try 720 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: this for a few years or anything. They just kind 721 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: of go with everything where this is the new rule. 722 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, if it somehow was a disaster and like 723 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: the machine was wrong or something like that, then the 724 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: next season they could take it away or do something different. 725 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: No commitments, no commitment