1 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: Good morning, and welcome into Jags am Brian Sexson along 2 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: with John Osier here on a Tuesday morning, and we're 3 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: changing things up a little bit, not just a different 4 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: host today, but we're starting with the head coach of 5 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: the Jaguars, Liam Cohen, who joined us from the NFL's 6 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: owners meetings in Phoenix, Arizona. The owners meetings began on 7 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: Sunday evening. There's lots to talk about, and of course 8 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: we'll get to those things, but first we bring in 9 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: the head coach. Coach, how are you. 10 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: Great, Brian, appreciate it man, Thanks for having me on. 11 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: Thank you for making time for us this morning. Hey, 12 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: just generally, how's the pace of your second off season 13 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: or actually your first off season, your second spring with 14 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: the Jaguars. How different is it for you this year 15 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: than it was last year when you put your feet 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: on the ground. 17 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: Lot different. 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: I'll say this is probably the first off season Ashley 19 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 3: and I and the family has had and roughly five 20 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 3: to six years, so to have a little bit of 21 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 3: a schedule or routine, some stability that involves pouring into football, 22 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: one at the office and with the coaching staff, but 23 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 3: also having an opportunity to be a husband and be 24 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 3: a father and be able to spend some time with 25 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 3: the family at nights. Is definitely nice to have to 26 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 3: have some consistency throughout an off season without moving and 27 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 3: restarting and picking up and being apart from your family. 28 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 2: It's been great to have so far. 29 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,919 Speaker 4: Coach, we talked a little bit earlier this off season 30 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 4: about the whole idea of coming back. But you would 31 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 4: think that you had a longer off season because you're here, 32 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 4: But you don't really look at it that way. You 33 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 4: look at it more like, hey, we're losing a week 34 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 4: or two because of the rules that you can't get 35 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 4: with these guys because you're not a new coach anymore. 36 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 4: Talk about your pace of the off season, what you're 37 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 4: trying to get done. 38 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely, you know, you feel a little bit 39 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 3: of a sense of urgency. 40 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's no question in my mind. 41 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: That's been the challenge to the coaching staff, to our 42 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: our department staffs at the building, the message has been, 43 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 3: and when the players getting in here, the message will be, 44 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 3: how do we improve how do we get better with 45 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 3: less time together flat out, less time together as a staff, 46 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 3: less time together once the players get in here, and 47 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 3: and and so our time on task, our intentionality has 48 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 3: to be better than ever. And that's the challenge that 49 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 3: I have for everybody and myself included. So that's something 50 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 3: that you work through and in the way that you 51 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: schedule out your off season program and plan and uh, 52 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: the amount of repetition, the amount of time on each drill, 53 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,399 Speaker 3: and where you're allocating your time and and so those 54 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 3: are all the things that we've been looking at and 55 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: certainly excited to get these players back in the building 56 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 3: here soon so we can really start football. 57 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: You know, momentum never carries over from one season to 58 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: the next. Though most observers fans also kind of think, well, 59 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: we were thirteen and four. How do you change that 60 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: mindset or do you have to do these guys understand 61 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: that the boulder's back at the bottom of the mountain. 62 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: Time to push again. 63 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's nothing that we're defending. We're attacking everything that 64 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: we're doing. That's the mindset of mentality. We could, you know, theoretically, 65 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: we could get better as a football team and not 66 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 3: win thirteen games like That's something that we have to 67 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: be prepared for. We have to understand because if we 68 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 3: live in those results of last year, this ain't going 69 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: to be a fun process and we won't like what 70 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: we see. 71 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: I gotta believe that. 72 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: So everything that we attack from this offseason moving forward, 73 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 3: as we go into this new regular season here, it's 74 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 3: all brand new. I mean, yes, there's going to be 75 00:03:55,480 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 3: some ability to start at ground one or in different 76 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: levels of your offense, defense and special teams, your systems. 77 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: But there's going to be new players, there's new coaches, 78 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: there's new relationships and communication ways that we need to operate. 79 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 3: And so if we attack it the same way as 80 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 3: last year and we just said, well we already made 81 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 3: that relationship, we already had that connection, well that's going 82 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 3: to be a different connection on this team, because every 83 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: team is different. 84 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 4: Coach, I know you spoke with our guy Ryan o' 85 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 4: holland at the Times Union yesterday. I think my favorite 86 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 4: thing that I heard from that was you talking about 87 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 4: not letting the stink of winning overwhelm the stink of 88 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 4: something else. I love the way you put that clearly that's. 89 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 5: Important to you this offseason. 90 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 4: It sort of ties into the last question, anything specific 91 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 4: that you're addressing along those lines, and that's you're focus 92 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 4: along those lines. 93 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I said that winning is a fantastic deodorant. 94 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 3: It covers up what stinks about you. It covers up 95 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: what your blind spots are, what your negatives, what your 96 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 3: areas of improvement are. 97 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: And if we can attack. 98 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: Those areas with humility, with honesty, with a relentless pursuit 99 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: to improve those areas, then we'll still continue to work 100 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: on the areas in which we were good, and we 101 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 3: need to hone in on those things. But look, we're 102 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: always looking for better balance on offense, right. 103 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: I think the run. 104 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 3: Game for the first eight weeks of the season really 105 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 3: kind of carried us offensively and allowed us to win 106 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 3: some of those games. And then the past game the 107 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 3: second half of the season really allowed us to go offensively, 108 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 3: and so we have to create a little bit more 109 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: balance there defensively, just continuing to find that balance between 110 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: Russian coverage and being a play a little bit. A 111 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 3: couple of different coverages in the back end, couple couple 112 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 3: of different front structures or pressures that you're looking at 113 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 3: and looking at, you know, adding in player acquisition throughout 114 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: the draft and free agency and drades, you're you're looking 115 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 3: at all those things during this time, so and then 116 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 3: special teams wise, we're constantly getting new rule proposals throughout 117 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 3: from the league, and so how does that affect your 118 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 3: formations and your schemes and your fundamentals that you're coaching. 119 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: So it's a lot. 120 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: I mean, it's never like we're just walking through a 121 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 3: day kind of just going through. 122 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 2: The motions hoping to go home. 123 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 3: I mean, that's not the atmosphere we want to be 124 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 3: in and that's not how we're operating. 125 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 4: We haven't talked to you since you signed Chris Rodriguez. 126 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 4: How does he help specifically in the running game? A 127 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 4: different style than Travis etn was, but I know you 128 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 4: like what he can bring in terms of down and distant, 129 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 4: situational consistency, things along those lines. 130 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like losing a player like TJ a 131 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 3: first round pick, the ability in the run of the 132 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: past and some of the production, like that's going to 133 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 3: be hard to match for anybody, right. But what I 134 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 3: always really appreciated about se rod you know, when working 135 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 3: with him in Kentucky and then following his career over 136 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 3: the last few years, has been is, you know, rushing 137 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 3: yards over expected and these yards after contact. 138 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 2: I mean, I think those are the two areas that 139 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: you look. 140 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 3: At where you say, like did you get more or 141 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 3: about what the play was blocked for? And are people 142 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: bouncing off for you? Do you know how to make 143 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 3: people miss? Like, how do you make people miss? There's 144 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 3: a lot of different ways to do that, And how 145 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 3: do you gain the yards? There's a lot of different 146 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 3: ways to skin that cat. And ultimately for me and 147 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: for the type of style of team we want to 148 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 3: be to be able to punch you in the mouth 149 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: and get those some of those hard yards. Getting a 150 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 3: guy like Chris to complement that room as it stands 151 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: right now with two in Lequin and DJ and you 152 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 3: know those guys. So we're just trying to continue to 153 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 3: add good football players in there. 154 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: How about one final thought, coach, The draft is twenty 155 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: three days away, a little more than three weeks. You 156 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: have eleven picks, four on Night two of the draft, 157 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: which is first night for the Jags without a first 158 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: round pick. Plus you have that keeping your attention. You 159 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: get some guys back this year from the draft class 160 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: last year who really weren't able to contribute because of injuries. 161 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: Caleb brand Saw stands out the second half of the season, 162 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: you didn't have Travis Hunter. Just a thought on getting 163 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: some of those guys back on the field in year 164 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: two for them. 165 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're excited about some of the second year players 166 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 3: that you know, whether they were able to contribute last 167 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: year or not, but specifically the Caleb rand Saws right, 168 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,119 Speaker 3: Jaylen McLeod didn't didn't wasn't able to play much. Getting 169 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: Jack Kaiser a year better, right, Getting Travis Hunter another 170 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 3: year doing different things, and how we you know, fine 171 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: tune his role and schedule and and the way that 172 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 3: we look at those things. On offense, Wyatt Milham, you know, 173 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: Joonah Manheim, A lot of young players that are we're 174 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: continuing to see hopeful ascension from that can come and 175 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: either be contributors or competitors for playing time. 176 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: Three weeks for your players back three weeks to the draft. 177 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: A lot coming up. Coach. We really appreciate you making 178 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: some time on a busy Tuesday morning in Arizona. 179 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys, thanks for having me on. 180 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: Have a great day. That's the head coach Jaguars coming 181 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: off at thirteen and four season and as he famously 182 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: has said, trying to wipe off the stink of wins 183 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: and making sure his team is ready to go out 184 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: and play their best football in the fall of twenty 185 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: twenty six. When we come back a little normalcy for you. 186 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: We have big things next on jags Am. Welcome back 187 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: to jags Am. Brian Sexton in today for Kay Stevens. 188 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: Great to start the show. We've head coach Liam Cohen, 189 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: so now we get the big things. Big thing one 190 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: is Arizona, which is where Liam Cohen joined us from. 191 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: There are not huge stories that are breaking this week 192 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: from Arizona, but there are some of concern John A 193 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: couple that stand out. Obviously. The story now is that 194 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: the NFL is moving to hire replacement officials. I'm not 195 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: sure how many fans have been following this or how closely, 196 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: but the end of the CBA between the players of Apartment, 197 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: the NFL and the NFL Referees Association is at the 198 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: end of May, and unlike too twenty twelve the last 199 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: time this happened, they're not waiting until July to hire 200 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: replacement officials. They're moving on those right now. 201 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. 202 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 4: Look, most of the things that go on and these 203 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 4: negotiations are very behind the scenes because that's how they 204 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 4: want it. But this week, before the owners meetings got started, 205 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 4: there have been reports that the negotiations for the new 206 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 4: CBA aren't going well. It was disastrous in the first 207 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 4: month of twenty twelve, which is the last time they 208 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 4: had replacement reps, and the league believes that's because they 209 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 4: didn't hire them in time. They're trying to be more 210 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 4: proactive on it and get them in place sooner. There's 211 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 4: also a clause to have replay involved, which we'll get to. 212 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 4: Look the reports that were out this week don't sound 213 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 4: very encouraging on a deal getting done because they seem. 214 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 5: Far apart on a lot of things. 215 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 4: One of the things is that the lead league wants 216 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 4: them available more during their downtime in the off season 217 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 4: to train. There's talk about full time officials in this. Brian, 218 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 4: you probably know where I'm going with this. I'm not 219 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 4: a big full time official guy. I don't believe that 220 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 4: officials miss calls because they don't know the rules. I 221 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 4: don't know how else having them full time is going 222 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 4: to benefit anything. 223 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 5: Because I think the officials are already really good. 224 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 4: I don't know how they get better from me in 225 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 4: full time I'm sort of tangenting. It's an emotional topic 226 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 4: for me. Brian, Well, but yeah, it's a thing. It 227 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 4: was not good in twenty twelve, and the NFL is 228 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 4: trying to get ahead of it to make what was 229 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 4: a bad situation a little better. 230 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: So one of the questions that naturally rises in this 231 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: debate is would you rather have a perfectly officiated game 232 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: using some automation right, some AI, if you will. Soccer 233 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: uses a bit of it, Baseball has a touch of 234 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: it with their automated balls and strikes, or would you 235 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: rather have a game with the human element involved in it? See, 236 00:11:58,480 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: and this is where we're going with this. You touch 237 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: on replay expansion. They're talking about allowing league staff in 238 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: support of the replacement officials, So there's an element of foreshadowing. 239 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: They're telling you where they think they're headed. Allowing league 240 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: staffers in New York to be able to offer guidance 241 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: on penalties that may have appeared flagrant fouls or things 242 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: that might not be a penalty, so that they don't 243 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: negatively impact the game. 244 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I expect that they will go that route. If 245 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 4: there's replacement officials, I expect that it will sound very 246 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 4: good leading up to it, and I don't know how 247 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 4: it looks in real time, meaning are you know, I 248 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 4: hope Holdings not involved, because you're going to get pushing 249 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 4: buttons and back and forth on every play. If that's 250 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 4: the case, are you doing past interference? Because pass interference 251 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 4: can be disastrous if you start opening a can of worms. 252 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 4: So meaning everybody thinks the other guy was interfering on 253 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 4: a play. So I think that sounds really good. I 254 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 4: don't know how it looks in fact, and I think 255 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 4: that could look as clunky as what was on the 256 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 4: field in twenty twelve could look. Because anytime you bring 257 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 4: officiating change into a group that already does a really 258 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 4: good job, you're gonna notice it. If you bring less 259 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 4: experienced guys in the NFL officials. I know it's not 260 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 4: vogue to say when everybody wants to criticize him on Twitter, 261 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 4: but they do a good job, and I'm not sure 262 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 4: the system needs to be reset. 263 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: The deadline is May thirty first, and we'll see if 264 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: they can get a deal done. Big thing too is Orlando. 265 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: A story broke on Sunday in the Orlando Business Journal. 266 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: They quoted Steve Hogan, the president and CEO of the 267 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: Florida's Citrus Sports Commission, and he's wrote that he hopes 268 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: that the vote is next week, meeting today and they 269 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: get a minimum of seven games here. He says, that's 270 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,079 Speaker 1: the plan, but we need to get that vote. The 271 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: vote should come this afternoon. We plan to have a 272 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: celebration downtown in front of city Hall and hope that 273 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: somebody walks out of that room in Phoenix and goes, yes, 274 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: we're doing this here. So that all leads up to 275 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: the fact that today we expect a vote on where 276 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: the Jaguars will play in twenty twenty seven. John, It's 277 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: been something we talked about for weeks and months, but 278 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: they've got to get a vote here quickly because there's 279 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: a lot of work to do for the team, whether 280 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: they're going to games but or Orlando, there are a 281 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: lot of moving pieces that have to be put in 282 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: place to be ready for that, even though it's a 283 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: year and a half away. 284 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, the outside tee Lea's and reports, I'll say, Orlando, 285 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 4: I guess that's the favorite. We haven't discussed it a 286 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 4: whole lot here on this show because there hasn't been 287 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 4: a whole lot to discuss until you actually get news. 288 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 4: But logistically, yeah, we're, what now, fourteen to fifteen months 289 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 4: out from wherever they're going to play, and it's a 290 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 4: mammoth lift to put on an NFL game, So it 291 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 4: is it going to be Orlando? You know, perhaps that's 292 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 4: fine and if so. 293 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 5: Look forward to it. 294 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 4: But from a behind the scenes perspective, this is a 295 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 4: lift when you're moving home base two and a half 296 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 4: hours away to a different world, which is camping world. 297 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 5: So did they ran? 298 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: I appreciate that, aboudy, But when. 299 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 4: You're moving everything, the sixteen months seems like a long time, 300 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 4: but it'll go by fast. 301 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: There's a lot of anticipation obviously in Orlando to see 302 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: whether or not the vote goes their way. Again that 303 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: story in Sunday's Orlando Business Journal. And we move to 304 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: our final big thing, and that's twenty three days. That's 305 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: the number of days between now and the NFL Draft. 306 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: The Draguars will not participate, at least at this moment, 307 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: on the first night of the draft, which is Thursday, 308 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: April twenty third, but they have four picks fifty six, 309 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: eighty one, eighty eight, and one hundred in rounds two 310 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: and three. John. We talked about it a little bit 311 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: with coach Cohen in the top of the show. They've 312 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: got a lot of things they can do in terms 313 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: of roster construction, but for the first time in franchise history, 314 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: doesn't appear they're going to do it in the first 315 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: thirty two picks. 316 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's not only no they have a first 317 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 4: round pick, but then they played so well this last season. 318 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 5: The good news is that was fun. 319 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 4: The quote unquote bad news is that it's hard to 320 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 4: even get close to the first round. With that, I'm 321 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 4: being facetious. That's not bad news at all. You want 322 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 4: to be picking as low in rounds. 323 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 5: As you can. 324 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 4: But I think the key here, Brian is if you 325 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 4: believe that you draft for needs, which I'm not big 326 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 4: on that, but if you want this team to fill 327 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 4: some holes. Outside linebacker feels like a place where they 328 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 4: could draft. It's really good right around the area they're 329 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 4: picking a fifty six. Are they going safety? Are they 330 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 4: going some of these other positions. Running Back is also 331 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 4: a position you can get productivity later in the draft. 332 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 4: People are focusing on the fact they do in a 333 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 4: first round pick, but as you alluded to, when you 334 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 4: were talking to Liam. Having four in the top one 335 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 4: hundred gives you a lot of equity in what many 336 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 4: consider the sweet spot of the draft, which is the 337 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 4: second round. And I think James Gladstone can get a 338 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 4: lot done with picks in that range. It's certainly what 339 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 4: he was banking on when they traded when they traded 340 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 4: four Travis Hunter last offseason. 341 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: And just to touch on that, John, I think there 342 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: should be some legitimate excitement about three of those four 343 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: picks from the first two to three rounds last year 344 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: four rounds actually being available on defense. You talked about 345 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, and we can debate what his role will 346 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: be going forward, but it sure seems like defense will 347 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: be a bigger part of it. You get Caleb branstaw 348 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: back and we didn't barely see him at all last year. 349 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: And the safety from Tulane should be on the field 350 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: in May and Jaylen mcloudy outside linebacker, that rushbacker kind 351 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: of guy who could be one of Devin Lloyd's replacements. 352 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: There's not just eleven picks coming in, but some picks 353 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: from last year that could be significant upgrades. 354 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's uh. 355 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 4: I think what you want to get to is where 356 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 4: People are talking about your draft class the moment you drafted, 357 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 4: and then maybe one or two guys during the season, 358 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 4: But it's your second year guys who should really be 359 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 4: accelerating during a season. And I think a huge storyline 360 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 4: for the Jaguars will be how particularly Ransaw and Hunter, 361 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 4: the secondary had some issues late last year. People see 362 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 4: it all the draftnicks see it as a need. You 363 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 4: see cornerback and safety drafted all over the place. I 364 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 4: think there may be forgetting in a lot of cases 365 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 4: that they've got to, you know, to day one and 366 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 4: two picks coming in and they expect to really improve 367 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 4: the secondary. So to me, that's the storyline more than 368 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 4: the draft this year. 369 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: All right, more from John as we go into the ozhow, 370 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: which is up next on this morning, the dish of drag. 371 00:18:53,720 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: Yeah this. 372 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 2: Frity. 373 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: All right, let's jump into the ozone here on a 374 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: Tuesday morning. Welcome back to jag Z A M. Brian 375 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: Sexton along with the ozone John Osier. John will start 376 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: in London. Nick wrote to you and wants to know 377 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: the opponents are probably harder this year. There's significant dead cap. 378 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: Is this season looking more like eleven and six is 379 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven the better prospect for success, and eleven 380 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: and six seems pretty successful to me. 381 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that's one thing that people need 382 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 4: to remember this. I guess there are a couple of 383 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 4: aspects of this question. They were interesting. You know, thirteen 384 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 4: and four is great season. You go twelve and five, 385 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 4: eleven and six. You know, if this team's going to 386 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 4: go on a run, which which I think they can, 387 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 4: I meaning you have Trevor Lawrence, you have your head 388 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 4: coach in place. The idea is it is to reel 389 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 4: off six or seven playoff appearances in a row and 390 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 4: make it's an era, right, that's what we all want. 391 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 5: If you do that, it's very rare for all. 392 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 4: Seasons in a run like that to be twelve and 393 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 4: five and up or twelve wins and up. The Colts 394 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 4: teams I covered, I think they had seven or eight 395 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 4: straight twelve wins seasons. 396 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 5: Well, that doesn't that didn't happen. 397 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 4: So if you're gonna have a run like that some years, 398 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 4: remember the Chiefs a couple of years ago. 399 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 5: When eleven and six won the Super Bowl. 400 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 4: So eleven and six, depending on how the season goes, 401 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 4: if you have injuries, if you overcome some stuff that's 402 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 4: not unsuccessful, first of all, But the implication there is, 403 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 4: you know, it is the first place schedule gonna cause 404 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 4: such a problem that you're looking at having success in 405 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 4: twenty seven. I don't really feel that I understand where 406 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 4: it's coming from. And yes, it will be harder, but 407 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 4: the key point to that to me is sometimes a 408 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 4: team with a first place schedule will dip. But last 409 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 4: year the Jaguars beat San Francisco, the Chargers, the Texans, 410 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 4: the Chiefs when they were good, the Broncos on the road. 411 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 4: It's not like this team last year got into the 412 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 4: playoffs sort of sneaking. 413 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 5: By with that fourth place schedule. 414 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 4: So I don't know that there's any reason to think 415 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 4: that they can't go compete against the best. So the 416 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 4: premise makes sense because that does happen. But this team 417 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 4: doesn't feel like it's gonna get like punched because it's 418 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 4: not used to the competition. That didn't feel like what 419 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 4: that division title was to me last year. 420 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: Well, and hopefully Nick had a chance to hear the 421 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: coach off the top of the show where he said 422 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: we could be a better football team, played better football 423 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: and not win thirteen games. Obviously, that is something that 424 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: happens over time. Next question from Sean in North Carolina. 425 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: Do you think the reason Trayvon Walker hasn't been resigned 426 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: yet is because the front office wants to see how 427 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: the draft unfolds and did the Jags pick up Anton 428 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: Harrison's fit year option. James Gladstone said to Rhinal hollerin 429 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: yesterday that they did. 430 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 4: They will officially, they haven't done it yet, but yeah, 431 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 4: they got that out of the way decision making in 432 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 4: their head. Wise, Look, I think I think the reason 433 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 4: that Trayvon hasn't been resigned yet is because it's going 434 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 4: to be a mammoth contract, perhaps second only to Trevor 435 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 4: Lawrence's in the franchise's history. Maybe there'll be a couple others, 436 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 4: but it's going to be one of the ones he 437 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 4: did to shape the cap around. 438 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 5: So I think that's more the question. 439 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 4: Originally, I don't know if this is the one we 440 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 4: use on the air, sort of implied that they may 441 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 4: be looking for his replacement in the draft, trying to 442 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 4: figure out a direction other than Trayvon. I don't think 443 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 4: that's the case at all. This team values Trayvon. He 444 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 4: is a core player. That you won around for a 445 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 4: long time. It's going to be one of the salary 446 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 4: cap piece is that forms the foundation of the cap 447 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 4: that you have to work around. So it's a big 448 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 4: it's a big contract that doesn't always get done in 449 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 4: the first text on the group chat, we've. 450 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: Seen a lot of these. Do you have a sense 451 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: of when we might it's just a you know, the 452 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: week of training camp like they did with having Ingram 453 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, late summer, sort of take 454 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: your time work through it, or could there be something 455 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: that we don't see until the middle of the season. 456 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 4: You know it's I think it will be one where 457 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 4: my senses they've started meaning I think they've talked to 458 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 4: the other people involved. I would think they would have. 459 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 4: They've started out. I don't think there's animosity between the sides. 460 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 4: I think both are coming in with the idea want 461 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 4: to get it done. My conversations with Trayvon have always 462 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 4: been that he wants to be here. Money is certainly 463 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 4: an object, as it would be for anybody. But I 464 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 4: would guess there's some casual back and forth trying to 465 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 4: get in the right world, meaning, hey, you know we're 466 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 4: looking at it like this you're looking at it like this. 467 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 4: I don't have a great feel for time frame because 468 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 4: these things people want to say that things get done 469 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 4: at a certain time. 470 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 5: Things usually get done because of a deadline. 471 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 4: I would guess this gets done before the end of 472 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 4: next season. But I don't think there's necessarily a reason 473 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 4: to have a time frame thought, because I'm not sure 474 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 4: that either side feels that much urgency, except if you're traveon. 475 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 5: You want to get the money. 476 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 4: But I say that's sort of Fastially, there was a 477 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 4: little bit of urgency, But for him, the other side 478 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 4: is here's here's number one overall pick. So I think, 479 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 4: knowing Trayvon, the bank account's probably still okay. 480 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: So it was making fifteen million dollars this year on 481 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: the fifty year ound. 482 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 4: So some young guys who like, if he had been 483 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 4: a six round pick, then all of a sudden, you 484 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 4: want the life changing dough, you know. 485 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 5: I don't speak for Trayvon. He'd be his life. 486 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 4: Changed when he got drafted. Now it's it's more a 487 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 4: long term deal. Again, I don't think he's going to 488 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 4: be checking his b of a app to make sure 489 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,719 Speaker 4: when the check cash is so that he can go 490 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 4: by lunch. 491 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,719 Speaker 1: Negotiations are always easier when you can be patient. 492 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that's really a more succinct way. 493 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 4: Odd that you would be this succinct to me, but yes, 494 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 4: I think that's I think that's a more direct approach. 495 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: All right. Finally, Stephen from fruit Cove Rights, the Jaguars 496 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: at number fifty six overall will have a lot of 497 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: pardon me, have to spend a lot to get into 498 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: the bottom of round one. It's a good thing they 499 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: have a lot to spend. Here's hoping Stephen. John doesn't 500 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: appear to be comfortable with the idea of the first 501 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: draft without the Jaguars first round pick in their history. 502 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, and we've. 503 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 4: The draft has been so important to this fan base 504 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 4: for so long, more important than it should have been, 505 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 4: meaning that was, in many years the only fun it had. 506 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 4: So the idea of not having a first round pick, 507 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, we don't have the shiny toy. 508 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 5: Some years, you know, the shiny toy. 509 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 4: Now we're getting into a phase of Jaguars history where 510 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 4: the draft should be put back in where it's supposed 511 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 4: to be, which is a nice offseason event that builds 512 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 4: for the future. But this year's draft doesn't necessarily have 513 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 4: to be a major thing what happens on the field 514 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 4: next year. It needs to be major moving forward. So 515 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 4: I don't necessarily know that for the Jaguar's sake, meaning 516 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 4: the long term benefit of the franchise, if there needs 517 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 4: to be this, oh my goodness, we have to figure 518 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 4: out a way to get into round one, because if 519 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 4: you're doing that, you're probably giving up maybe four to 520 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 4: get to what it's a long way to go to 521 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 4: get from fifty six to thirty two. They probably have 522 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 4: to give up at least two of those third round picks. 523 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 4: That sounds very exciting when you're thinking about Thursday night, 524 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 4: But I'll ask you, do you really want to give 525 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 4: up that much? Is this not a year where you'd 526 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 4: rather have two or three good players rather than a 527 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 4: bottom first round guy. So here's hoping, is what I'm 528 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 4: kind of talking about. I don't know that javers Man 529 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 4: necessarily need the hope to get into the first round 530 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 4: to have a productive draft with here. 531 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: Well, you look at last year's you know, a second 532 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: and third round picks, and the guy didn't have a 533 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: second but the third round picks Cali Brand saw as 534 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: a guy that we have high hopes for. You'd like 535 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: to have that guy. Wyatt Milam is somebody I think, 536 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: and I think I'm not the only person that believes 537 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: this is going to be a long term starter for 538 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: them when he breaks the line up here and Jayla McLeod, 539 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: the kid from Auburn that we didn't get to see 540 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: last year. He practiced a bit at the end of 541 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: the year and he's incredibly athletic. Right it looks like 542 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: he's going to be a very good player. I think 543 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: three of those four of those yes are more valuable 544 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: to this team where it is right now, which is 545 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: fortifying the roster and building the kind of depth because 546 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: they have decisions to make on players again. They let 547 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 1: two guys go this year. There may be other guy 548 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: they have to let go. You need to have replacement 549 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: jars on the shelf that you can open and put 550 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: players into the lineup. 551 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, do you want to use one of those second 552 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 4: or third round picks in theory? I don't know what 553 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 4: they're gonna do with Parker a punt returner, but he's 554 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 4: starting to be a guy that you need in the lineup. 555 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 4: Do you take a flyer on a punt return or 556 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 4: third round guy outside linebacker, third round guy, one more safety, 557 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 4: third round guy, all those historically you can get in 558 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 4: that spot. Haven't even talked about the second round yet, 559 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 4: So I don't know. Knowing James glass Own, if there's 560 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 4: somebody there, he will try to move up, no question, 561 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 4: But I don't know that it's a have to, and 562 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 4: I don't think to have a good draft. 563 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 5: I don't think you have to do it well. 564 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: The most glaring need I think we've talked about this 565 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: offseason would be maybe a penetrating defensive tackle. But this 566 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: doesn't appear to be a great draft fat So why 567 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: would you move up when there are other positions with 568 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: good players that will benefit you A time, lots to 569 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,959 Speaker 1: talk about in the next couple of weeks leading up 570 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: to the twenty twenty six NFL Draft, which will be 571 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: held in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. We're back to wrap this show 572 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: up in just a moment, and we're back to wrap 573 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: things up on Jags am Brian John Kai returns next week. 574 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: The draft is a couple of weeks away OTAs well. 575 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: You got to get the phase one of the off season, 576 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: which starts on April twentieth. Yeah, hard to believe it's 577 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: here already. Yeah, just a couple of weeks and we'll 578 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: stay on top of all the stories, including the vote 579 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: This afternoon from orlandos so tay tuned to all the 580 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: pardon from Phoenix potentially about Orlando. Stay tuned all the 581 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: Jaguars social channels for an update there on where the 582 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: Jaguars will play in twenty twenty seven Weekspect that story 583 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: to break this afternoon. Have a great day everybody. Thanks 584 00:29:53,960 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: for joining us on jags Am.