1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 1: Wind Down with Jana Kramer and iHeartRadio Podcast. 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 2: All Right, this week's special guest, We've got Gina Gershan 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: coming on. She's I mean, she's an incredible actress, singer, 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 2: and she also has a book that she wrote about 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 2: growing up in the valley. It's called Alpha Pussy. Let's 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: talk all things about her book and her career, ready 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 2: to grow boobs and her boobs. Hello, Hi Jai, how 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: are you. 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: I'm okay. How are you guys doing. 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 3: We're good, We're doing well. 11 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 4: Gina, I want you to sometime, it doesn't have to 12 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 4: be now, but I want to tell I want you 13 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 4: to tell me how to agent reverse like you. You age 14 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 4: so beautifully, it's like ridiculous. 15 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: Thank you. You should mother. My mother on her deathbed, 16 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: I swear to God, the people kept walking into her hospital. 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: She was ninety three. She looked so incredible, and she's 18 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: all she wanted was drugs. She's like, I just want 19 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: more drugs. She goes. They keep coming in and saying, 20 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: what's your skied in regime? 21 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: Lotter? Oh that's good. That's like my grandma Mary Kay. 22 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: You know, yeah, the og, yeah, very very og. 23 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: And I know I'm lucky. I got my mom's skin. 24 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 2: So I'm curious where your boundary was for the things 25 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: you wanted to talk about and the things that you're like, 26 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 2: I'm not going to talk about this, Like was there 27 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: a part with you or maybe you wanted to share something, 28 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: but you're like, no, there's because I'm sure and I 29 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: mean I've only experienced certain things in the industry as well, 30 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 2: but you wanted to probably be mindful of what you 31 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: put out there. So kind of what was your limit 32 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 2: in line for that? 33 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: You know, I think there was a few limits, because 34 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: it started off to be one kind of book and 35 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: then it turned very quickly into like, oh, I don't 36 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: want to do that kind of book. And then once 37 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: I kind of figured out that it was gonna be 38 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: Alpha Pussy, I kind of hung my hat on anything 39 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: that dealt with that sort of theme, like anything of 40 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: navigating toxic waters, having to manipulate how I went from 41 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: one thing to the other, Like if it fell into 42 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: that category, I kept it, and if it didn't, I 43 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: took it out right. And then at some point it 44 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 1: was like the valley stuff kept coming up, and I'm 45 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: like I had so many too many stories of that. 46 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: I just thought, Wow, do I just make this, you know, 47 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: a coming of age in the valley at that time. 48 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: But then I don't know, I don't know. It was 49 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: a very organic process and maybe there are some stories 50 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: you know that were interesting, that were fun, but also, 51 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to respect people's privacy some of 52 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: my friends who are more like that. And also I'm 53 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: a weirdly private person, even though I just I told 54 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: those stories. But I think that was kind of the rule, 55 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: you know what. 56 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: I mean, No, that makes sense. And then me in 57 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: a book, I remember when I was writing mine about 58 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: my divorce, it started very much him, and then it 59 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 2: became this, No, this is about me and my healing 60 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: and my work, not just and so it's like you 61 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: start to yeah, you start to pick and choose the 62 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: stories that you want in there. Yeah, and also respecting 63 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: people too in it. 64 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's wild to me that you I mean, I 65 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 4: think Showgirls was such a trail blazing film, right like 66 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 4: it was to me. I mean I remember it being 67 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 4: like whoa, this was like a really you know, like 68 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 4: it just was, I mean, and we also we knew 69 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 4: some of the cast from other shows, and so it 70 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 4: was like a very mind blowing but like lit off 71 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 4: on sexuality kind of film is how it was perceived 72 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 4: at our time. And so it's funny to me, or 73 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 4: like ironic to me that you're like, I'm a what like, 74 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 4: I'm actually an ironically private person, because that's such a 75 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 4: not I mean, again, it's not your personality, but just 76 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 4: like how outward you could be in sexuality, and and 77 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 4: for for that to play in that film, it's so 78 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 4: ironic to me that you're a private person. What is like, 79 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 4: is there a part of you playing that role that 80 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 4: got to live or dig into pieces of you that 81 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 4: you thought would stay private. 82 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: Well, I mean I'm you know, Crystal Connors is very 83 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: far away from who I am, you know, I mean 84 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: I'm an actress. And when you say private, I think 85 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: you're talking about like being able to dance around kind 86 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: of almost naked or whatever. You know. I kind of 87 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: came from the modern dance world. Me and my friends, 88 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: We would like just be in our underwear dancing around, 89 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: you know, doing all our weird shit. So that actually 90 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: didn't seem that strange to me. I was very comfortable 91 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: in my body and weirdly enough, I you know, when 92 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: I first was doing it, I had very little nudity 93 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: in it. I was pretty much covered up then little 94 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: by little, like just because of the costume or this. 95 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: You know, I reveal more than I thought I was 96 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: going to. But I also had so much body paint 97 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: on and I had so many jewels that I kind 98 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: of felt weirdly covered up. I mean, I don't know, 99 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: I've never been that's what you're talking about. As far 100 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: as revealing and as far as the character. I mean, 101 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: she kind of couldn't be further away from me, you know. 102 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 3: Is that fun to dig into? 103 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 4: Because you know, like aunt h jan as an actress 104 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 4: as well, and I have never acted in my life, 105 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 4: but I always i'm I'm married to a musician, so 106 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 4: there's a lot of pieces of him that gets to 107 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 4: be creative in that way and say some things that 108 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 4: he wants to say. He's a singer and a songwriter, 109 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 4: and so is it is it wild too? Is there 110 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 4: any parts of her character in you that you identified 111 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 4: with outside of like the dance, because you are you know, 112 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 4: what you're saying is that you're more of like a 113 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 4: private person, so it doesn't to be that revealing or something. 114 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to me, when I started doing music, 115 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: right you know, I'd done show Girls, are done bound, 116 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: you know, I went on to do Cabaret on a 117 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: Broadway stage with only two weeks rehearsals, and you know 118 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: all that stuff. I was fine. When I first played 119 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: my first show with my own music that I wrote, 120 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: I thought I was going to die. I literally thought 121 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: I was going to throw up. I was like, oh 122 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: my god, I can't do this because that's. 123 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: So personal and it's all you. 124 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: Know, it's me, you know, and it's my thoughts and 125 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: it's my music that I was doing, and so that 126 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: to me was so much more revealing, you know, more vulnerable, vulnerable, 127 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: and it's very you. And yeah, I mean, I guess 128 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: when I'm playing characters like I'm, you know, I always 129 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: see myself as kind of a character actress. You know, 130 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: There's been very few roles I've been just kind of 131 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: like the way I am. 132 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: That takes a lot of talent, though, because I feel 133 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 2: like I'm I'm always looked the same like me, you know, 134 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: I don't know, like that's that's that's what makes you 135 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: an amazing actress. I love the title I learned to 136 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: love my boobs. When we talk about our boobs, A 137 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: long here I got to be I got a boob job. 138 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 3: She doesn't like her boobs, you know what I mean. 139 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 2: So it's I'm curious what made that the title, Like, 140 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: that's the underneath part of the title, And how did 141 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: you learn to love your boobs? Because I think she's 142 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: trying to figure out. 143 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I think I'm going 144 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 4: to learn to love with the lyft. But I'd love 145 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 4: to hear what you have to say. 146 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think you have to read the 147 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: book and you'll really understand it. The it really was. 148 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: I I was a tomboy in the valley, you know, 149 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: and I love playing baseball and I love playing football, 150 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: and I was like a bro, you know. I was 151 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: because the girls couldn't play as well, except for one 152 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: friend who, ironically enough, I forget what I call her 153 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: in the book now I've got to look. I changed 154 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: those names a little bit. But you know, I just 155 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: remember the day that my mom was like and we 156 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: went to the store and she's like, you have to 157 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: get a bra. You're going to get that shirt. You 158 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: need to get a bra. And I'm like, what, like, no, no, no, no, 159 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: the guys aren't going to take me seriously, like I 160 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: can't get a bra. That's like it's gonna be a 161 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: game changer. And she's like, you need to get a 162 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: bra now, I'm like no, no, no, no, no, Like I just 163 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: thought it would ruin lie if like my bros. You know, 164 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: my teammates knew, and you know, guess what they changed there, 165 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: Like as soon as I wore a slightly tighter top 166 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: that you could actually see my chest, you know, people 167 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: treated me differently. The guys treated me differently. You know, 168 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: they got a lot kind of dumber. And there's also 169 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: a certain thing and I didn't understand it. I mean 170 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: I did, and I didn't like it. And then all 171 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I wasn't you know, I was being 172 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: treated differently, and I just thought this is so strange. 173 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: And then I kind of resented it. But then I 174 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: learned on a couple chapters to utilize it to my advantage. 175 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: It's like, if you're gonna treat me that way, I'm 176 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: gonna you know, oh really, you think I'm an idiot 177 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: and I can't hit the ball anymore. So I'd wear 178 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 1: even in tighter top. And then if new players they'd 179 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: come in, they'd come in I'd pretend I was like 180 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: hitting the ball really badly, and as soon as they 181 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: got closer, I went and I'd hit it over their heads. 182 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: And I just felt like saying, you know, just because 183 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: I have boobs doesn't make me I can't play anymore, right. 184 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: I felt that really intensely during that time, because I 185 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: think I was one of the few girls who had boobs, 186 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: so everyone just and I was in the valley, you know, 187 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: during kind of when porn started becoming a big thing, 188 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 1: and there were a lot of predators and kind of 189 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: gross people around, which you don't realize at the time, 190 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: but you're always kind of, you know, trying to get 191 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: out of danger in certain situations. 192 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: Very true. I lived off of one that car I'll 193 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 2: never forget. My dog was running ran loose, and then 194 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: I walked into this house and I'm like, oh my god, 195 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 2: I literally walked into a pornhouse in the valley. 196 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: I was like it was all happening. Oh my god. 197 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 3: You know, I'm like this is wild, yeah, wild times. 198 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: So you know, and I feel like, you know, my 199 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: boobs like they changed, you know, before people know who 200 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: you are, they just react to that. And as you know, 201 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: at fourteen, years old or fifteen years old, like all 202 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: of a sudden, like, oh, the world just shifted. So 203 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: I learned to love them just because I learned how 204 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: to deal with them and how to deal with people 205 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: who were, you know, objectifying me or sexualizing me without 206 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: even knowing me. 207 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's a really I remember growing up, I 208 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 4: was very much the same, like very like all the 209 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 4: pictures are just me and a bunch of guy friends 210 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 4: and like a baseball cap and a swimsuit, you know, 211 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 4: like it was like we're just and there is a 212 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 4: weird shift. Thankfully I didn't get my bobs until I 213 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 4: was like nineteen, but you know, as you start to 214 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 4: come up and you come into your own self and 215 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 4: like it is just such a shift in friendship and 216 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 4: just who you are in general. But you also grew 217 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 4: up in the valley, so we're two Michiganders, very opposite 218 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 4: of that, and Jana's had her baptism by fire in 219 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 4: La but you grew up in such a unique time 220 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 4: in the valley too, So that's what's really wild to me. 221 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 4: How do you, like, are you guarding yourself? Are your 222 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 4: parents guarding you? How does Gina the child grow into 223 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 4: Gina the actress in such a revolutionary area and time. 224 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: I mean the whole Valley section. Like the book is 225 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: in three different parts, and part one being the Valley. 226 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: I think those stories started coming up. You know. Part 227 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: of the genesis of this book which shifted my way 228 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: of thinking was I saw this girl. I met this girl. 229 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know her. We were at some thing, you know, 230 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: and she was friends with the guy I was with. 231 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: And she was young girl, really cute, you know, around 232 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 1: twenty seven ish or something, and she was talking about 233 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: this spiritual retreat she had just come from. And I 234 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: was like, oh, how was that, and she was like, 235 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: oh my god, it was amazing, and tell the guru. 236 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: Then he started totally hitting on me. At part of 237 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: me was like, yeah, he's the gurus. That's going to happen, babe. 238 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: Like I didn't say that because I could tell she 239 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: was really upset, but she said he started, you know, 240 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: harassing her a little bit. And I said, well, what 241 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: did you do? And she said, well, you know, I 242 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: told all my friends, and I told all the people there, 243 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: and I went to the director and I told, you know, 244 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. And I said, so you 245 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: told everyone except for the guru. She said, oh, oh, 246 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: I would never do that, And I said, well, why 247 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't you, because look at you. You're still holding all 248 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: this tension and trauma because you were so freaked out. 249 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: I mean, she really was. You could see it in 250 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: her and it's like, well, I could never do that. 251 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: You just I said, yes, you could. Just look at 252 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: the guy and very nice, he say, hey, you're making 253 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: me uncomfortable. You know, well I can't do that. You 254 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: can do that because you're so tough. And I said, 255 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: well I wasn't always like that, And that, I think 256 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: started making me think about just stories started showing up 257 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: in my psyche and I realized, you know, all these 258 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: kind of do me the situations, and you know, uh 259 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: trained me for that. You know, you kind of get 260 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: an antenna. You know we all do in our lives. 261 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: You know what we think is kind of bad, or 262 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: you have some sort of parent or some sort of 263 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: thing it it you learn how to then deal with 264 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: that later on or to recognize it. It's like uh, 265 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: oh creep at two o'clock, like cause you you know, 266 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 1: you've had those experiences. 267 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 2: The street smarts of growing up in those situations have. 268 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it and I just I tried to 269 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: connect the dots a few times between that and other situations, 270 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: I do lashbacks to show the seeds. When that was 271 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just it was very interesting for myself. 272 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: You know. 273 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really excited. I'm ordering adding to Kart. 274 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 3: I am too. I'm a little nervous. 275 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 4: I might need to put a book cover on it 276 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 4: because I just feel like maybe at my community pool 277 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 4: that's not. 278 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 3: Well well three three. 279 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: We both had three kids, so you know, they're in 280 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: they're learning our words very much, so, you know, but 281 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 2: really going we'll be like, what's alpha pussy? 282 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: Alpha pussy isn't There's nothing sexual about alpha pussy. It's 283 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: not more of a state of mind. And really, when 284 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: you read the forward, which you know, I put how 285 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: Boobs changed my life in the forward specifically so people 286 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: would read the forward, because I thought if it was 287 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: just called forwards, sometimes people I got, let's get to 288 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: the chapter. You know, yes, but it really explains what 289 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: it is. And quite simply, you know, I noticed when 290 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: I was doing Showgirl. When I got show Girls, which 291 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: you know you mentioned Showgirls, just tell that story a 292 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: little bit, you know, I was very excited. It was 293 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: a big break for me, right, I was like, oh, 294 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: this is gonna be fun. I mean, no one knew 295 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: it was going to be what. I had a whole 296 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: different image in my head of what was going on. 297 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: But regardless, it was a big break for me, and 298 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: so I was excited. And then I would notice like 299 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: male you know, agents or executives or whatever. They'd you know, 300 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: come up to me. They'd be like very blatantly checking 301 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: out my whole body, like uhs, I hear you're doing 302 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: Showgirls right, like objectifying me like that. And I found myself, 303 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: you know, like oh yeah, you know, it's very interesting. 304 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: You know Paul's films, you know, there's so interesting where 305 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: they deal with like fascism or you know, like I'm 306 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: you know, blah blah, lying just in my way detuor attention. 307 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 308 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: I was so uncomfortable. And around the fourth time that happened, 309 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, what am I doing? Like, I don't. I didn't. 310 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: I wasn't even conscious of it. I was just kind 311 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: of backing up and you know, crossing my arms and 312 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: you know, trying, you know, as we do sometimes in 313 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: those situations. I pretend it's not happening and just kind 314 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: of go to the next subject. But anyway, I thought 315 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: about this, I'm like, this is something is weird. And 316 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: I've always had male cats, male kittens. I've always had cats, 317 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: but specifically male kittens. And what I learned at a 318 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: very early age is, you know, they will totally try 319 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: to control you and recavoc unless you kind of train 320 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: them very early on. They'll rip up your furniture, they'll 321 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: scratch you, they'll knock shit off, you know, everywhere. So 322 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: I've made this little game with my little kittens, who 323 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: are always a little bit wild. You know, I'd stare 324 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: at them and they'd stare at me. I stare at them, 325 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: and they'd stare at me. And I'm telling you, if 326 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: I would look away, they would attack me. They jump 327 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: on your head, and you know, they scratch you, so 328 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: you can't look away, so you'll stare and you stare, yeah, 329 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: and then finally they go and they roll on their back. 330 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: And therefore I've become the alpha pussy and so I like, 331 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: I'm more in control of the narrative what's going on there. 332 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: And so the next time one of those guys you know, 333 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: came up to me, I thought about it, and he said, 334 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: oh sugaruls. I just looked him straight in the eye 335 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: the way I would a cat, and very nice. I said, Oh, yeah, 336 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: I'm kissing guys, I'm kissing girls. I'm dancing naked. It's 337 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: be so much fun. And I kept eye contact, eye contact, 338 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: eye count, I didn't look away, very calm, I swear 339 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: to you. He went, oh, yeah, that's cool, and he 340 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: backed away and he looked away. 341 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 3: That's amazing. 342 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: And so that's what being an alpha pussy is. And 343 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: I realized I did that again and again in different 344 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: forms throughout a lot of these stories that got me 345 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: out of icky situations. And I think it's really important. 346 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: You know too, You know, you don't have to be 347 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: Guys can do it, Girls can do It's just anyone 348 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: who's trying to make you uncomfortable or bully you or 349 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: you know, you've got to stand in your own two 350 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: feet and to speak your tooth and just look them 351 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: in the eye. I'm telling you most I'd say nine 352 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: time out of ten, it works. 353 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 3: Oh, I love that. Do you think that that comes 354 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 3: from growing up? Where? 355 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 4: Like, how is family growing up for you? Do any 356 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 4: parts of that? Like did you see that modeled for you, 357 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 4: is there? You know, Like we talk a lot on 358 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 4: here about family history and all the things, and like 359 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 4: from my dad was very much in alpha male, and 360 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 4: I learned right around like my teen years that like 361 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 4: the more sturdy I was more intimidating that was to him. 362 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 4: And I was one of the ones that couldn't be 363 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 4: pushed around in the house. And so I started to 364 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 4: learn like that grit a little bit. Does that come 365 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 4: from your growing up or does that come from the 366 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 4: show business or a little bit of both. 367 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: I mean, everything comes from growing up. 368 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 3: Sure, whether we like it or not, Gina. 369 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: Start the book in my mom's womb. If it gives 370 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: you any idea. 371 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 3: We're taking it all the way back, Gina. 372 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: I'm taking it all the way back because I found out, 373 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: and it kind of goes through the book that she 374 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: was six months I was pregnant with me without knowing 375 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: she was pregnant. So there I was like, here's an 376 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: arm Like okay, no one's around, Like okay, I'll just 377 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: create myself. And I see how it affected so much 378 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: in my life. It starts in the womb, you know, 379 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: And so I was very much on my own and 380 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: I had an older brother and sister, you know, who 381 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: didn't really want anything to do with me. And I 382 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: was walking home alone at six or seven years old 383 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: in the valley, so I kind of had to learn, 384 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: you know. I felt it was very much like in 385 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: survival mode flight or flight, a lot of it, you know, 386 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: even with my brother and sister at home, you know, 387 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: taking my things and you know, teasing me because I 388 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: was the littlest. But you know, you learn to be 389 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: very you know, I didn't really have anyone defending me 390 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: but me. Right, yeah, it's all everything goes back to 391 00:19:49,680 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: your family. I talked about that a lot. 392 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 2: When it comes to the industry and age. You know, 393 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: I kind of joke on here more so just because 394 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 2: I think it's out of fear. But obviously you have 395 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: your name and it's your Your body of work is incredible. 396 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: But you know, I'm about to be well, I'm forty two, 397 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 2: and you know, I kind of look at it and go, 398 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 2: all right, well, my roles are now very limited coming 399 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 2: up in the next ten years. I'm not going to 400 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 2: be the love interest to the you know, to X, 401 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 2: Y and Z year and I look at some of 402 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: my things and go, okay, I have maybe seven years 403 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 2: of still staying in that lane, and then I start 404 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: to fear, Okay, what's what are going to be the 405 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 2: roles then that are going to be left over in 406 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 2: my fifties and sixties. And again, you have your incredible name. 407 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: I'm curious. 408 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: Have you have to stop thinking that way? 409 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 3: But I mean, who's casting you know for me? 410 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like I don't have your name, 411 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: like your your gena name, you know, and it's like 412 00:20:59,160 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 2: I think the. 413 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: I know, but you know you're listening. You're right those 414 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: parts I talk about. At some point, I think Sharon 415 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: Stone was saying you should start lying about your age. 416 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: The script start coming in and yeah, am I the 417 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: love interest? I think, first of all, I was never 418 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: the love interest? You know, I wasn't the girl store, 419 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: I wasn't this and that. But it's really terrible. I 420 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: mean that's like European films, they don't do it as much. 421 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: It's a very sexist, you know, agist rather when it 422 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: comes to when. But you know, the forties honestly are 423 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: the greatest. 424 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I love being in my forties. 425 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 2: I think I just yeah, I think I just fear 426 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 2: what's next when I get into my fifties and sixties, 427 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 2: and I'm just curious if that has I mean, again, 428 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: you have your name and your body of work that 429 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 2: you've done. But do you see that because it's like 430 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: I got a guy can start acting in his forties 431 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: and be so successful in the sixties, you know, because 432 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: there's just I think more roles and parts or do 433 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 2: you see a shift in that. 434 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: I just think you have to shift it in your 435 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,719 Speaker 1: own brain. You know, if what you want to do 436 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: is I want to be the angenue, I want to 437 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: be the love interest in there. Yeah, it's like they 438 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: usually go twenties, thirties, forties, but it's different. Then there 439 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: are other films that have that older, you know, wiser, cooler, 440 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: you know, create your own you know what I mean? 441 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: There are I get it. There's few in five And 442 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: like I said, my I've rarely I feel like I've 443 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: rarely been that person, so I don't feel it as much. 444 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: I don't think although I say that, you know and listen, 445 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: as far as Hollywood goes and scripts, they definitely slow 446 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: down as you get older. I keep thinking is it 447 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: me or is the world? And you know, part of 448 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 1: why I started writing and doing music. Was I just 449 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't want to be sitting around 450 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,959 Speaker 1: going ooh, like am I getting it? I hate waiting 451 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: or feeling like same. Yeah, listen, you're doing this right. 452 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: Like I started doing music because I'm like this is fine, 453 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: I could do this, or like now I've been writing 454 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: and now I'm writing some of my own scripts because 455 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: like I don't really like the parts that I'm getting, 456 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: Like fuck it, I'll just try to write my own 457 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: and do this, which is really fun. You know. 458 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that. What is your to wrap up? 459 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 2: What is what is the biggest takeaway that you want 460 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 2: readers to take away with them when they close the book? 461 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: Well, listen, I want to be really clear. This isn't 462 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: like a how to book orn an advice book, like 463 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 1: who for sure advice? You know. I think everyone's got 464 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: their own story and their own particular needs. I think 465 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: if there was anything that I really would love, like 466 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: an extra bonus, you know, besides just like enjoying the 467 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: stories and thinking they're funny or laughing and whatever. I 468 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: think to really trust yourself and trust that voice inside 469 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: of you, and everyone's got their own personal journey and 470 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: you have to figure out what's right between you and 471 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: you for you do you know what I mean, very 472 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: clear and honest with that, and then trust that path. 473 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: You know, it's always there's always something weird going on. 474 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: But I just feel like, so many times, thank God 475 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: I had that inner voice or that really strong sense 476 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: of what I should and shouldn't do. And of course 477 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: at the time I'm like, oh my god, I can't 478 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: believe I'm not doing this or why did I you know, 479 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: but I trusted it, and like years later, of course 480 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 1: I went, oh, thank god, I didn't do that thing 481 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: for sure. There's a couple examples of when I didn't 482 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: trust the voice and it's like, oh, that wasn't good, 483 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: you know. So I mean, if that's a takeaway I 484 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, or if the takeaway, especially for 485 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: younger women or younger guys or whatever too, if someone's 486 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: bullying you or being trying to tell you what to 487 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: do in your life or your career, that you're able 488 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: to know yourself enough to be like, no, that's not 489 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: good for me. I'm going to do this instead. Yeah, 490 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,719 Speaker 1: that would be amazing, you know. I just I don't know. 491 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 2: YEP. 492 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 3: I love it. 493 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 2: Well, Gina, thank you so much for coming on. Everybody, 494 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: go get Alpha pussy how I survived the valley and 495 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 2: learn to love my boobs. Thank you, Gina, really appreciate 496 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:02,479 Speaker 2: you coming on. 497 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: Nice talking to you.