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Speaker 1: Thanks Rob, and welcome to the Sox Machine Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Josh Nelson, and it's Thursday night, June eighteenth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six as we bring you this new episode.

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Speaker 1: The first two nights at Yankee Stadium, We're not kind

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Speaker 1: to the White Sox, but thanks to Coles Montgomery, Andrew

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Speaker 1: Bett attendee, and a clutch pitching performance from Sean Burke,

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Speaker 1: the White Sox were able to leave the Bronx with

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Speaker 1: at least one win on Thursday nights. And that concludes

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Speaker 1: the White Sox two week gauntlet against the Phillies, Braves, Dodgers,

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Speaker 1: and Yankees, and can you believe it, they finished six

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Speaker 1: and five. In this episode, I'll recap the action between

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Speaker 1: the White Sox and Yankees. Colsa Montgomery joins a very

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Speaker 1: series in Detroit also in this episode, with the White

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, some of you might be returning

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Speaker 1: beat guy for SOXS Machine, I have a lot of thoughts,

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Speaker 1: so let's get started. It's a rare episode as Jim

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Speaker 1: his way to Detroit to cover this weekend series for

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Speaker 1: and it'll be great to have James there covering a

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Speaker 1: key divisional series to recap. As far as what happened

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Speaker 1: in the Bronx real quick, the White Sox lost the

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Speaker 1: ten to five. Game three, they won thanks to a

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Speaker 1: When we're talking about the White Sox and their chances

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Speaker 1: still have this fever of believing that, hey, why not

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Speaker 1: In order to do that, the White Sox need help

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the White Sox as a team. Tough,

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Speaker 4: mad about fair Weather fans anymore is if they don't

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Speaker 4: go through the lows that we go through, they don't

431
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Speaker 4: get the highs we get either. I mean, I was

432
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Speaker 4: with my dad at the Pacers clinching the Eastern Conference

433
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Speaker 4: championship last year and we hugged and we never hugged

434
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Speaker 4: by the way, but right when they wanted we hugged

435
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Speaker 4: and everything. And I thought back to all the bad

436
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 4: Pacers teams and it was like, the lows, the true,

437
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,959
Speaker 4: true lows, are what really make the highs worth it.

438
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Speaker 4: That's why we go through all the crap. And I

439
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Speaker 4: think you're I don't know if you follow football, but

440
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Speaker 4: if you do, you're probably a Bears fan like me,

441
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Speaker 4: Like last year was so cool because of the lows

442
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Speaker 4: we just went through. That's what made it so cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a forty nine Ers fan, but we always joke.

444
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Speaker 1: I remember the Tim Tay years, the jt O. Sullivan years.

445
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: Every diehard fan base has those really bad years. So

446
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Speaker 1: for White Sox fans, I agree with you, Matt, like

447
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: I think that's why so many of us are excited

448
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: because we did sit through one hundred and twenty one

449
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: losses not that long ago. So that's why it's like,

450
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: this is unexpected, and it's been a lot of fun

451
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Speaker 1: to watch the team data day.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna get You're gonna get the Johnny cum lalies

453
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Speaker 4: or the people who went away like we're probably there

454
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Speaker 4: for the twenty twenty one playoff run and then they

455
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Speaker 4: went away and they didn't watch any games. But now

456
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 4: they looked at the standings in the not gonna say

457
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 4: the newspaper online somewhere probably, and now they're back and

458
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 4: some of the people who sat through, like you, all

459
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Speaker 4: the one hundred and twenty one losses, some of those

460
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Speaker 4: people will get offended by it. And that's where I

461
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Speaker 4: would just say, life's too short, man.

462
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Speaker 1: Now, do levels of fankeep gatekeeping change if your team

463
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Speaker 1: is more popular, Like the difference between like Nick's Cubs,

464
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Speaker 1: and then the White Sox probably.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I will say this, I almost never ever

466
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Speaker 4: ever wear Cub stuff when I travel because I don't

467
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Speaker 4: want to run into first of all, Cubs fans from

468
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Speaker 4: like Arizona or Colorado, Cubs go, Cubs go. I want

469
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Speaker 4: to deal with that. But secondly, you also you know

470
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Speaker 4: what comes with that is the hate. Yeah, then you

471
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Speaker 4: get there with you And like I had a pcach

472
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Speaker 4: jersey on yesterday and I was like, I'm not leaving

473
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Speaker 4: the house with this. I don't need to counter anybody

474
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Speaker 4: who wants to pick a fight about PCA. I don't

475
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Speaker 4: want to deal with that. So and like like my

476
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Speaker 4: Bears fandom, michaeleb Williams jersey, I'll wear that to the games.

477
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Speaker 4: But even then, like last year, my dad and I

478
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 4: were walking back after we went to that Browns game

479
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 4: that was like seventeen below zero, and there were fellow

480
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 4: Bears fans talking to us and they were still like, hey,

481
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Speaker 4: what colors are gonna paint his fingernails next week? Like, yeah,

482
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 4: life too short. You don't need to deal with that.

483
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Speaker 4: So I think that yes, Yankees, Cubs, Red Sox, Dodgers,

484
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Speaker 4: it's probably worse, right, Like the true die hard fans

485
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 4: are probably sensitive to how many people across the country

486
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Speaker 4: will definitely bandwagon the team when they get good. So yeah,

487
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 4: it's probably worse then.

488
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Speaker 1: Well, what was fascinating to me with the NBA Finals

489
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Speaker 1: this year was San Antoni doesn't have a lot of

490
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Speaker 1: celebrity fans. I think is Selena Gomez a San Antonio

491
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Speaker 1: Spurs fan that might be their most popular.

492
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Speaker 4: But then Tony when they showed the fans shots, it

493
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 4: was all like Knicks fans.

494
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Uh And for the Cubs you get a

495
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Speaker 1: little bit of that like John Cusick when he shows

496
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Speaker 1: up at Wrigley, Eddie Vedder, Jeremy Allen, Whites of course

497
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Speaker 1: of the the Bear fame. I wonder like the Pope's

498
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: not going to show up anytime soon. I don't know

499
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: Barack Obama's going to show it to White Sox game.

500
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: Chance the rapper maybe we'll throw out first bitch. But

501
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: if we do start seeing more Chicago quote unquote celebrities

502
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Speaker 1: showing up at reat field, is it okay for White

503
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Speaker 1: Sox fans to feel a little jaded?

504
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Speaker 4: In my opinion, no, I think the more the merrier,

505
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Speaker 4: And if it looks like they're becoming a big deal,

506
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Speaker 4: then you get more and more people joining in. I

507
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Speaker 4: guess the counter argument of that would be if it

508
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Speaker 4: becomes such a hot ticket that the true diehard fans

509
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Speaker 4: get priced out, then that's a problem. So I guess

510
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Speaker 4: that would be the thread to pull on if you'd

511
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Speaker 4: disagree with me. But I think if you make it

512
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Speaker 4: sound like a cool event, all the better, and then

513
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 4: maybe that even snowballs and in future years it's easier

514
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Speaker 4: to land free agents because you become that big of

515
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Speaker 4: a deal.

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Speaker 1: Now that that is a good point. Scout tickets are

517
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Speaker 1: not cheap. Even though if the White Sox were bad,

518
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Speaker 1: they were still one hundreds of dollars. They could sit there.

519
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: That's fine. They could always be on camera now at

520
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: Sox Machine, we've covered the White Sox a long time,

521
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: so we have a lot of scars and wounds covered

522
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Speaker 1: this team. Is it okay to like flip the script

523
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Speaker 1: for diehards to decide Matt at this point of the season,

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Speaker 1: You know what, I Am going to erase everything that

525
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Speaker 1: it's happened the last four years and start on a

526
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Speaker 1: clean slate. Is that okay to do? As a fan?

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Speaker 4: This is going to be an aspect where I pivot

528
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 4: back to say, I'm not going to tell you how

529
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Speaker 4: to be a fan. If if you're good with it

530
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Speaker 4: and you want to be optimistic and you want to

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Speaker 4: get into it, yes, by all means, that's great. I

532
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Speaker 4: mean I I'll just I'll go back to the Bears

533
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Speaker 4: thing like, once the Bears started winning games and got good,

534
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Speaker 4: I wasn't jaded at all about any of the past.

535
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 4: I was just enjoying the ride. And I would say

536
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Speaker 4: enjoying the ride, that's the whole reason to be a

537
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 4: sports fan is when the good is happening, to enjoy

538
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Speaker 4: yourself and not be bitter about anything that just happened.

539
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Speaker 4: But I can understand why there would be some people

540
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Speaker 4: who would still be angry at ownership as well. They

541
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Speaker 4: should be for decades crap, and would still be kind

542
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: of guarded, as I found out with what I thought

543
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 4: was a harmless tweet over the weekend about the front

544
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:14,239
Speaker 4: office and Chris gets and everything. So I can understand it.

545
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Speaker 4: I can understand it, and I wouldn't push back on

546
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Speaker 4: any of that. I'm more I'm always going to be

547
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Speaker 4: a glass half full guy. And when the team's going well.

548
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 4: I just want to be happy, and I would urge

549
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Speaker 4: more people to take that route. But I truly would

550
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Speaker 4: understand if there are any feelings of lingering, bitterness, and

551
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Speaker 4: especially toward ownership. I'm never going to discourage that. In fact,

552
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Speaker 4: I would encourage being happy about the team but still

553
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 4: better at ownership.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I bring this point up because I think

555
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Speaker 1: we all are going to go through this, fans, media players,

556
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Speaker 1: even personnel in the organization when the organization changes hands

557
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Speaker 1: from Jerry ryan Storf to Justin Ishbia. That feels like

558
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Speaker 1: in a sports fandom, when you do have that change

559
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Speaker 1: of ownership, does it make sense to kind of like,

560
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: all right, we got to forget the pass because everything

561
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: could really change and it's a brand new day for

562
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Speaker 1: everyone involved.

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Speaker 4: Yes. Absolutely, I mean, as I said in that in

564
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Speaker 4: the column, and you mentioned you carry scar tissue as

565
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 4: sports fans always and that's what makes the highs so high.

566
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Speaker 4: But when there's reason to turn the page, take it

567
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Speaker 4: by all means, take it and say it's a clean slate,

568
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 4: because it is in a way. So I would always

569
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Speaker 4: encourage to be optimistic and hope that the new owner

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Speaker 4: brings change. You know, you might see a situation like

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Speaker 4: the Mets where you get going in there and he

572
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Speaker 4: starts spending his butt off. Unfortunately for them it hasn't

573
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Speaker 4: worked out, so it was backfire. But I would take

574
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Speaker 4: the optimistic approach and just hold out hope that hey,

575
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Speaker 4: maybe the stadium situation ends up great. Maybe we start

576
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Speaker 4: spending on free agents like we know a team in

577
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Speaker 4: Chicago should be capable of doing. Yes, I would be optimistic. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: For podcast listeners, especially those from Indiana. My wife went

579
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Speaker 1: to Indiana University, so if you ever watch a videos,

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Speaker 1: you could see the Indiana helmet above my head. There's

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Speaker 1: before signetti and now after signetti in history of Indiana football.

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Speaker 4: And I will say, when I was writing that column

583
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Speaker 4: one of the things that stuck in my head is

584
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Speaker 4: I could have been that guy who was like, hey,

585
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 4: my freshman year, I sat there and watched Tim Couch

586
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Speaker 4: those seven touchdown passes against US, and I say, the

587
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 4: whole game, nobody cares. And plus what a loser to

588
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Speaker 4: sit there through all that in a week at halftime

589
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 4: and go to tailgates and drink. I should have done that.

590
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 4: That was stupid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just yeah, with fandoms, there's gonna especially

592
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Speaker 1: for White Sox fans. We're gonna be entering a new era,

593
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: so I think a lot of us will all have

594
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Speaker 1: to go through that transition. Now I agree with you

595
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Speaker 1: mostly until I saw the All Star Game voting results

596
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Speaker 1: for the first round, and now there's a part of

597
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: me where it's like, what's going on with the White Sox.

598
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: I just want to give everyone a big bear hug,

599
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: like I'm with you. There's too much pain. This is excitement. Yes,

600
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: come to right field, Come visit us on socks machine

601
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: every day. Start becoming a diehard fan. That's great for

602
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: everyone involved. I want to gate keep the All Star

603
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Speaker 1: vote because I did not know Matt Canada wields so

604
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Speaker 1: much power when it comes to the MLB All Star vote.

605
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 1: Vlad Gerrero Junior only has first of all. Ladd Junior

606
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: only having three home runs and an ops is seven

607
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: thirty as we record this in mid June, is absolutely crazy.

608
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: But he's got way more votes than Munatakamarkami. And he's

609
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: also leading Ben Rice to the New York Yankees, so

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Speaker 1: not even Yankees fans could overcome what's happening from Canada.

611
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Speaker 1: Is it okay to start Gatekeeping the MLB All Star vote.

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Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, I mean this is madness. So okay, something

613
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 4: happens when a team gets good for the first time

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Speaker 4: in a long time. And while the Blue Jays have

615
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Speaker 4: had several playoff teams, they lost in the first round

616
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Speaker 4: of the playoffs every time, this time they got to

617
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 4: Game seven of the World Series, and there's an excitement

618
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 4: around them. And then you see stuff like Alejandro Kirk

619
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Speaker 4: who's barely even played. He's been hurt all year. I

620
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 4: think he's like second among catchers or something. He's right there.

621
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Speaker 4: Everybody's in the mix. Every single guy is in the

622
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Speaker 4: mix there. And it reminded me of a similar situation

623
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Speaker 4: the Royals in twenty and fifteen after they made series

624
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Speaker 4: in twenty fourteen. In twenty fifteen, did they get every

625
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 4: single they got like it was like everybody except Trout

626
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Speaker 4: or something ridiculous, like outside he's Escobar started the All

627
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 4: Star Game for Pete's sake? What is that? That's ridiculous.

628
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 4: So sometimes you'll see it kind of take over. And

629
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Speaker 4: I remember the time I wrote a column that said,

630
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Speaker 4: like I would be embarrassed if I were a Royals

631
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Speaker 4: fan and outside he's Escobar was starting the All Star

632
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Speaker 4: Game because of me going to vote five times every

633
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Speaker 4: single day, over and over and over. Same thing with

634
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Speaker 4: the Blue Jays fans, Like, honestly, it's kind of embarrassing

635
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 4: to take it over like that. And by all means,

636
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 4: if I'm voting, be a homer if it's close, you know,

637
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 4: like and sorry to aggravate some of your fan base here,

638
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 4: but if I'm voting for the nationallygu outfield, I'm going

639
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 4: to vote for PCA because it's close enough that I'm

640
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 4: going to be a homer for my guys. But like,

641
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 4: I'm not voting for Dansby Swanson.

642
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?

643
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: Here?

644
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 4: So that part is frustrating for sure. One percent I

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Speaker 4: agree with you there.

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Speaker 1: How would you change it? Because my wife brought up

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Speaker 1: a good point. She's like, it could be like the

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Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame vote. Fans still vote

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Speaker 1: who makes the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but

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Speaker 1: it's just a percentage or I think they get one

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Speaker 1: vote out of all the total votes.

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Speaker 4: Maybe, and then you know it's I know that people

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Speaker 4: are always going to complain about BBWAA votes because but

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Speaker 4: if you gave us the vote, we would probably get

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Speaker 4: it right, like most of the MVP cy Young Rookie

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Speaker 4: the Year votes. If we miss it, it's really close,

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Speaker 4: and it's like a guy came in third when he

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Speaker 4: should have coming forth or something like that. And I know,

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Speaker 4: again there's a lot of hair splitting about the Hall

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Speaker 4: of Fame, but it's awfully hard to get seventy five

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Speaker 4: percent of people to agree on anything. In this world,

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Speaker 4: we generally agree on a lot, and I think if

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Speaker 4: you put it in the hands of the BBWA, we

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Speaker 4: would probably get it right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, now that's.

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing, though, I don't want to do that

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Speaker 4: because it's an event for the fans, and you liked

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Speaker 4: it the fans to have a voice, and I think

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Speaker 4: that if you put it totally in the media's fans,

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Speaker 4: there would be a lot of people who would be

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Speaker 4: turned off and would stop watching. So that's why you

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Speaker 4: can't do that. And by no means of my acting

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Speaker 4: like we know more than the average diehard fan, we don't.

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Speaker 4: We know just the same as the average diehard fan.

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Speaker 4: The issue you're talking about isn't diehard fans though, it's

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Speaker 4: a bunch of people who just got excited about the

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Speaker 4: Blue Jays last year and wanted to vote for him

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Speaker 4: this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the popularity contest, White Sox fans, we need Japan

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00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: like Japan, you guys got to stop up and help out,

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Speaker 1: help out your guy Rikami get in that top two.

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Speaker 4: A was you who said that on Yeah, somebody said

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Speaker 4: that on on social media?

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Speaker 2: That was you.

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Speaker 1: That's right, right, Japan, not only vote for Otani, but

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Speaker 1: come on, help out your Guymerk comedy. They should have

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Speaker 1: similar votes. You can follow him that on Twitter. He's

688
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Speaker 1: at Matt Snyder CBS. You could read his excellent work

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Speaker 1: on all things Major League Baseball. And there's so much

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Speaker 1: that's coming down the pike with Major League Baseball as

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Speaker 1: we get closer to the trade deadline, major League Baseball

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Speaker 1: proposing new rules. So you can get his insight. He

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Speaker 1: has the Snyder Soapbox columns, which I always read because

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Speaker 1: they're delightful. Matt, thank you so much for joining the

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Speaker 1: Sox Machine podcast.

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Speaker 4: Thank you man, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: We have a College World Series championship slated between North

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Speaker 1: Carolina and Oklahoma. Game one is on June twentieth, and

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Speaker 1: Game two will be on June twenty first. If necessary,

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Speaker 1: Game three will be on Monday, June twenty second. Oklahoma's

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Speaker 1: run to the College World Series Final really fits the

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Speaker 1: description of improbable. They finished their regular season four and eight,

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Speaker 1: with four straight conference series losses, and they lost the

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Speaker 1: SEC tournament opener against LSU, so the Sooners had to

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Speaker 1: sweat out selection day as their resume wasn't exactly the strongest.

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Speaker 1: But this heater the Sooners are on is wild. They

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Speaker 1: have won eight straight O season games, including a complete

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Speaker 1: dismantling of Georgia in the College World Series semi final,

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Speaker 1: who was the highest seed standing in the entire tournament.

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Speaker 1: North Carolina, on the other side, has been one of

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Speaker 1: the nation's best teams all season long. They are very

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Speaker 1: well balanced and outfielder Owen Hall is on a tear

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Speaker 1: at the plate. I'll have more about this College World

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Speaker 1: Series Final from an LB draft perspective on SOXS machine,

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Speaker 1: But while I have college Baseball on the brain, Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball, in their ongoing negotiations with the Players Association

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Speaker 1: of the upcoming CBA, hoping to avoid a lockout, well,

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Speaker 1: the league has now proposed not only just a salary cap,

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Speaker 1: but major changes in a complete overhaul in how the

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Speaker 1: MLB draft and the international signing period work today. As

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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, it's not even an international signing

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Speaker 1: period that Major League Baseball is proposing. It's eliminating that

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Speaker 1: and reintroducing the international draft. Thanks to the great reporting

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Speaker 1: from JJ Cooper Baseball America, we now have the details

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Speaker 1: of what MLB is proposing to the Players Association. It

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Speaker 1: starts with reducing the MLB Draft from twenty rounds down

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Speaker 1: to twelve and the draft lottery reduced from the top

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Speaker 1: six picks to the top four picks. No team could

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Speaker 1: receive a lottery selection in three consecutive seasons, So this

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Speaker 1: whole idea of the White Sox being in the top

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Speaker 1: six and they can't draft higher than tenth overall, that

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Speaker 1: would be eliminated. However, they cannot have a lottery selection

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Speaker 1: a top boar pick in three straight years. The elimination

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Speaker 1: of compis very curious, especially for the so called low

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Speaker 1: revenue teams. MLB Draft combine medical evaluations become mandatory. That

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Speaker 1: is a bold move. Imagine if Rock Schalowski, who's attending

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Speaker 1: the MLB Draft Combine next week, had to have a

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Speaker 1: mandatory medical evaluation, and in that evaluation, during that physical,

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Speaker 1: they found something wrong and really impacted as far as

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Speaker 1: this draft stock. That's why a lot of MLB prospects

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Speaker 1: as far as going into the draft don't participate in

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Speaker 1: the medical evaluations because it could really hurt as far

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Speaker 1: as your draft stock. Not that they're trying to hide

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Speaker 1: anything necessarily, but it's a lot of money on the table.

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Speaker 1: MLB is also proposing allowing trading of draft picks, so

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Speaker 1: you can only trade draft picks for the next draft cycle.

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Speaker 1: So you can't trade your twenty twenty nine picks when

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty eight draft hasn't happened. Teams can't trade

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Speaker 1: away first round picks and back to back seasons. If

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Speaker 1: a team wanted to trade a pick during the draft,

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Speaker 1: they have to wait until the first round is over. Also,

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Speaker 1: hard draft slots, no negotiating of bonuses. Does not matter

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Speaker 1: where you are picked. You cannot negotiate a signing a

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Speaker 1: higher signing bonus than the team ahead of you. So

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Speaker 1: that's interesting.

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Speaker 4: It kind of.

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Speaker 1: Eliminates the money game part of the MLB draft. There

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Speaker 1: will be a hard limit for across Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 1: Only two hundred million dollars would be spent on the

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Speaker 1: MLB and international drafts. Last year, MLB teams spent on

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Speaker 1: average more than thirteen million dollars on their draft class.

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Speaker 1: Under these rules, the estimated average would be below seven

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Speaker 1: million dollars, so a pretty drastic cut in how much

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Speaker 1: money MLB teams are spending on the draft. Starting with

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty eight Major League Baseball Draft, high school

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Speaker 1: players and younger junior college players would no longer be

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Speaker 1: draft eligible. A player would need to be twenty years

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Speaker 1: old by September first. As JJ Cooper wrote in his

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Speaker 1: Report of Baseball America, this would mean last year's number

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Speaker 1: one overall pick, Eli Willets wouldn't be draft eligible until

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty eight MLB draft, and he's been absolutely

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Speaker 1: raking right now in the minor leagues, so he would

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Speaker 1: have to wait three years later to be in minor

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Speaker 1: league baseball. Players not drafted would be limited to a

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Speaker 1: max of ten thousand dollars signing bonus. Today, those undrafted

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Speaker 1: players can sign a signing bonus up to one hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty five thousand dollars, so again a pretty drastic cut.

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Speaker 1: This would also establish an international draft in which players

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Speaker 1: would have to be at least eighteen years old to

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Speaker 1: be eligible, so no more renegotiated bonuses and signing agreements

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Speaker 1: with twelve or thirteen year olds, and even all those

782
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Speaker 1: agreements that you have for upcoming sixteen and seventeen year

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Speaker 1: olds starting in twenty twenty eight would be voided as

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Speaker 1: those players would not be eligible because they have to

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Speaker 1: be part of the international draft and they're just not

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Speaker 1: old enough, so those players would have to wait a

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Speaker 1: year or two later to become available. And all that

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Speaker 1: work that these international departments are doing for MOB, especially

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Speaker 1: like the Chicago White Sox, is for nothing under these

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Speaker 1: proposed rules. Grady Emerson, who is my number one prospect

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Speaker 1: in the upcoming MOB Draft, he would not be draft

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Speaker 1: eligible until twenty twenty eight. And like I mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about the money game anymore

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Speaker 1: because of the hard draft signing bonus amounts. The White

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Speaker 1: Sox number one pick is at eleven point three five

796
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: million dollars this year. If MLB's attendant purposes with these

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Speaker 1: draft proposal rules is to cut down the average to

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Speaker 1: below seven million dollars, then that really hurts future number

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Speaker 1: one overall picks. Again, the signing bonus record belongs to

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Speaker 1: Chase Burns and Charlie Condon and Paul Skeens has the

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Speaker 1: number one overall picks signing bonus record at nine point

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Speaker 1: two five million dollars. They wouldn't even come close. Future

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Speaker 1: number one picks would not even come close to the

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Speaker 1: type of signing bonuses those players had signed. So for

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Speaker 1: the players in this upcoming draft, this is like the

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Speaker 1: last chance this draft and next year to sign for

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Speaker 1: more than nine million dollars because in the future it's

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Speaker 1: not even gonna be close to that amount. So if

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Speaker 1: anyone breaks their records, like if Rock Szarlowski signs for

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Speaker 1: ten million dollars, he might be the only drafted player

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Speaker 1: in the history of Major League Baseball that signed for

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Speaker 1: that amount unless there is a complete overhaul in future

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Speaker 1: years of the MLB draft. According to JJ Cooper, MLB's

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Speaker 1: thinking with these proposed rules is more money would become

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Speaker 1: available for teams to spend in free agency if they

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Speaker 1: reduce the amount they spend on the draft and international signees.

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Speaker 1: These players are not represented by the Players Association, so

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Speaker 1: this is also a test to the Union of Well,

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Speaker 1: maybe it is our responsibility to protect players future members

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Speaker 1: of the union, but that also tests them on not

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Speaker 1: doing a great job of protecting minor leaguers over these years.

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Speaker 1: The Players Association doesn't represent the minor leaguers as well,

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Speaker 1: so the Players Association, if they push back on these

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Speaker 1: proposed draft rules, may have to concede in other areas.

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Speaker 1: So is this a way that if MLB doesn't get

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Speaker 1: its salary cap, this is what they're going to implement

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Speaker 1: like Players Association, Fine, we won't do a salary cap,

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Speaker 1: but we need these new rules for the LB draft.

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Speaker 1: We need to establish an international draft so we reduce

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Speaker 1: the amount that we spend on player acquisition costs for

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Speaker 1: teenagers and shift that over to your members of the union.

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Speaker 1: I would love to get a UNI representative on an

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Speaker 1: upcoming podcast to talk about that scenario as far as

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Speaker 1: negotiating and what your responsibilities are, because I'm thinking that

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Speaker 1: the union probably should just be worried about their current

836
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: members and not future members. But these proposed draft rules

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Speaker 1: for somebody that covers college baseball and the MLB draft,

838
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: and I really enjoy this beat. I hope you can

839
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: see on how much I do enjoy covering not only

840
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: that sport of college baseball, but just how the MLB

841
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: draft works and what directions to the white Sox go.

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00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: I hope that is reflected in my writing and reporting

843
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: on soxsmachine dot com. I hate these rules. I think

844
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: it could really backfire for Major League Baseball man because

845
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: the person who's writing these rules, I also don't think

846
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: have a good understanding of how college baseball works. College

847
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: baseball coaches, yes they are. Universities are spending crazy amounts

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Speaker 1: of money like the University Arkansas just recently unveiled are

849
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: like fifty million dollar upgrade to their facilities for baseball.

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Speaker 1: Just crazy money being spent, especially for the bigger conferences.

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Speaker 1: But not every D one university is actually fulfilling all

852
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: thirty four scholarships to be available. There are still several

853
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: D one programs that players are not on scholarship as

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00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: they are also part of the roster. Nil money is

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00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 1: not widely available like it is for especially college football

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00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: and men's college basketball. On all levels of D one programs,

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Speaker 1: the SEC and ACC could still wield more spending power

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00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: than the Big ten conferences can in those universities, so

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Speaker 1: that will still impact as far as recruiting goes.

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Speaker 4: But man like.

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Speaker 1: College baseball coaches are not responsible for the player development

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Speaker 1: for major league teams. College baseball coaches are responsible to

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Speaker 1: make sure that their players are well representing the university

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Speaker 1: and that they are winning games for the university. That

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Speaker 1: means that if you have all of these teenagers who

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Speaker 1: suddenly become not draft eligible that they have to go

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Speaker 1: play college baseball, that their development will be slowed down drastically.

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Speaker 1: Playing time will be difficult. Vanderbilt consistently has one of

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Speaker 1: the recruiting classes every year, and every year Vanderbilt gets

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Speaker 1: crushed in the MLB draft. Coach Tim Corbin under these

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Speaker 1: rules would prosper greatly. But those freshmen that now attend Vanderbilt,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much playing time they're gonna get

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Speaker 1: because it's not Tim Corbin's responsibility to develop these players

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Speaker 1: be ready for major League baseball. He has a responsibility

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Speaker 1: to Vanderbilt to win baseball games, which means that he's

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Speaker 1: going to hold on and start the sophomores and juniors

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Speaker 1: and maybe even the seniors, especially with the MLB draft

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Speaker 1: being reduced from twenty to twelve rounds, because he's trying

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Speaker 1: to win games. So these talented freshmen, these talented eighteen

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Speaker 1: year olds, are going to struggle to get playing time,

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Speaker 1: and that's going to slow down their player development, And man,

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Speaker 1: is that what you want baseball? I can't imagine that

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Speaker 1: there's any general manager, any scouting director, any scout who

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Speaker 1: thinks that this is a good idea and to a

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Speaker 1: ten thous thousand dollars max signing bonus if you're if

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Speaker 1: you're not drafted in the first twelve rounds, that's nothing.

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Speaker 1: That's that's that's barely any money to get you going

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Speaker 1: at all. And you can't. Again, the nil money is

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Speaker 1: not widely available in college baseball like it is in

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Speaker 1: college football. It's just not. So it's not like some

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Speaker 1: college baseball players are doing well but not across the country.

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Speaker 1: So I just think that this is a wild idea.

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Speaker 1: I just think it really impacts as far as future

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Speaker 1: player development. Look at all of the teenagers that have

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Speaker 1: rapidly went through the systems, like Kevin Mcconnagal. If you

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Speaker 1: had these rules a couple of years ago, would still

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Speaker 1: be with Auburn, he wouldn't be vying to be American

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Speaker 1: League Rookie of the Year. He would still be in

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Speaker 1: college like the White Sox wouldn't be able to draft

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Speaker 1: Colson Montgomery. He would have went to play college baseball

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Speaker 1: at the University Indiana. Caleb BONNERM. Yeah, Caleb Barnimer would

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Speaker 1: still be at TCU. Caleb Barnimer wouldn't be with the

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Speaker 1: Birmingham Barons under these rules, he would still be at

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Speaker 1: TCU playing college baseball. I think this is just too drastic,

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Speaker 1: and I know they have talked and there's been a

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Speaker 1: rumor for a while about this whole idea of not

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Speaker 1: allowing high schoolers to be part of the MLB Draft anymore,

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Speaker 1: forcing them to go play college baseball. And while I

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Speaker 1: think that could be a big boost to college baseball,

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Speaker 1: and again I love college baseball, but these players are

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Speaker 1: not going to play right away. And now you have

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Speaker 1: the US Senate voting on a bill that could radically

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Speaker 1: change college sports and only allow athletes to make one

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Speaker 1: transfer in their thought of four years of playing college

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Speaker 1: athletics like that also impacts these high schoolers as well.

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Speaker 1: And there's also a part of me if you have

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Speaker 1: a feeling Chicago White Sox that these draft rules are

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Speaker 1: going to be implemented in the next CBA that again

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Speaker 1: expires on December first, I have to imagine you have

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Speaker 1: to draft Grady Emerson first overall, because you would only

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Speaker 1: get two more chances of using a first round pick

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Speaker 1: on an eighteen year old. After that, you gotta draft

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Speaker 1: college players with the thought that college players are going

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Speaker 1: to develop fast enough that they could join Major League Baseball,

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Speaker 1: which I also have issues with that too, because the

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Speaker 1: game of college baseball is still several levels behind the

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Speaker 1: game in Major League Baseball. So I just think it

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Speaker 1: pushes proposed free agents to be even older, so you're

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Speaker 1: not going to get the Wan Sotos anymore or the

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Speaker 1: Manny Machados. You just won't have that. Yeah. The more

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Speaker 1: I think about this, the more I really do not

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Speaker 1: like these proposed rules by Major League Baseball when it

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Speaker 1: comes to m will be draft. But let me know

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