1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome back, Carol Marcowitz show on iHeartRadio. Clay Travis, 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: he of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton podcast network 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: that this show is on, highlighted a new study about happiness, 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: and he pointed out that the happiness index has hit 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: an all time low and that that number is largely 6 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: driven by young people. 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: The United States overall happiness index, to the extent that 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: they track, this hit a all time low, and it's 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: being driven by people under the age of thirty. And 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 2: I would bet that it's women under the age of 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: thirty overwhelmingly who are unhappy. And I think it's hard 12 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: not to believe at this point that all of this 13 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: isn't directly connected to social media. I mean, if you 14 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 2: go look at the charts overall mental health rates. Now 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: certainly COVID didn't help, but overall mental health rates just 16 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: collapsed about twenty fourteen when social media became prevalent in 17 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: everybody's lives. Yeah, and I think we're going to find 18 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 2: out that this is like the nicotine or cigarettes of 19 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: our generation, where we allowed these phones and these social 20 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: media apps, particularly for young people, to really kind of 21 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: lead us astray in terms of our life's pursuit. 22 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: Now, he's right that it's the phones. But people who 23 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: have been listening to the show for a while know 24 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: what I'm going to challenge here. It's not the social media. 25 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: There is no social media anymore. It used to be 26 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: that teenagers would get depressed because their friends would share 27 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: pictures on Facebook or Instagram of the amazing weekend they 28 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: had and maybe didn't include them. Or they'd see their 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: friends living amazing lives, filtered pictures, great vacations, perfect babies, 30 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: all of that. That's just not what's happening on the 31 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: internet anymore. That's not what the kids are watching. We're 32 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: just all watching TV all the time. It might not 33 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: be half hour or hour episodes, but these young people 34 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: are just scrolling through hours of videos. And I said 35 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: this last time, in the last episode about the girl, 36 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: the mom wrote in to me about her daughter who 37 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to have a social life, and I said, 38 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, we'd recognize depression if I told you someone 39 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: watches ten hours of TV a day. But because they 40 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: do it in bite size, you know, pieces, and they 41 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: carry it around with them on their phone, we don't 42 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: see how bad it is. Social media has nothing social 43 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: about it, and I think we need to see exactly 44 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: what the problem is in order to fix it. We 45 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: have to think of it like a little TV we 46 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: carry around. We have to understand how damaging it is 47 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: to be that distracted all the time. Just imagine when 48 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: there were no phones. If every time you were in 49 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: an awkward interaction, you just turned your television on. When 50 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: you're out, you don't see people taking selfies with their 51 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: friends anymore. Instead, you still might see like a full 52 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: on photo shoot, hapless man shooting his girlfriend from all 53 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: different angles. She's a content creator, fine, but there's nothing 54 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: social about that. And look at least her content is 55 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: a break from the videos. Instagram, by the way, now 56 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: offers bonuses for creator accounts that post photos because so 57 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: few of them do that. It would be something else 58 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: entirely if young people were still posting pictures of their 59 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: lunches or their parties or whatever. But they're not. They're 60 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: just zombiefied watching TV all the time. There's no way 61 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: happiness levels will increase until we solve that. Thanks for listening. 62 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: Coming up next an interview with Selena Zito. Join us 63 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: after the break. Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitch Show 64 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Selena Zito. Selena is 65 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: a Washington Examiner reporter and author of the upcoming book Butler. Hi, 66 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: Selena is so nice to talk to you. 67 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 3: Hi there, how are you? 68 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: We were just talking offline about how insane it is 69 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: that we've never met in real life. But I've been 70 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: a Selna Zito fan like much of the country for 71 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: a long long time now, and I just think you're 72 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: fantastic and everything you do is like full of joy 73 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: and happiness and you're wonderful. Thank you for coming on. 74 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. I'm everybody's grandma. 75 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: No people really, actually everybody's bestie. 76 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 4: For it's basically the food. Then they maybe read me, 77 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 4: but basically the food. I have to tell your listeners though, 78 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 4: that I thought you gave me a homework assignment and 79 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 4: I obeyed because you told me. 80 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 3: I don't know how you phrased itel Like I said. 81 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: Here are the three questions I ask all my guests, 82 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 1: and my listeners will know that a lot of the time, 83 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: the guests won't read the emails, and you'll be able 84 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: to tell because they'll just be deer in headlights. When 85 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: I ask them kind of, you know, a big question 86 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: and like what do you worry about? And they're like 87 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: what where did this come from? But Selena sent me 88 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: back the answers, which was the cutest thing ever. I said, no, no, 89 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about it on the show and 90 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: she said, oh, I thought you gave me a homework assignment, 91 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: which she then did. She finished the homework assignment, she 92 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: was like, all right, I have homework. What am I 93 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: going to do? 94 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 4: Yeah? 95 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 5: It was late though, Like if it was true homework, 96 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 5: I would have answered it that night, but in my 97 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 5: zeal to be a perfect progressister, I. 98 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 3: Sent it to you the night before. 99 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: It was great. I did not read your answers because 100 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: I want to be surprised. 101 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: I on't even remember them. 102 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: So the questions will be brand new either way, right, 103 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: brand new? So how did you get into this world? 104 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: I know a little bit about your story, but you 105 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: really hit the national scene in twenty sixteen writing pieces 106 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: that I think nobody else was doing anything close to. You. 107 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: Were doing this crazy thing where you went out and 108 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: you talked to regular people and ask them what they thought, 109 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: and that was really groundbreaking. So tell us about your path. 110 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: So I got into this accidentally, and sort of the 111 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 3: old fashioned way, the way journalists used to be years ago, 112 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 3: at local newspapers where they were members of the community, 113 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 3: and most of them didn't have college degrees, but they 114 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 3: had good writing skills, they had good people instincts, and 115 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 3: they were able to turn a phrase pretty well. 116 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 4: And that's basically all I had. And I also had 117 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 4: experiences as a hairdresser, as a waitress, and most importantly 118 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 4: as a soccer and football mom and hockey mom. So 119 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 4: you know, I came into the game late. I was 120 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:03,679 Speaker 4: in my mid furies when I went back to work. 121 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 4: I was mostly a stay at a home mom at 122 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 4: that point. And they worked for the local newspaper, the 123 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 4: Pittsburgh Tribune Review. But the owner of the paper's name 124 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 4: was Richard Mellon'scaife. He had a very nationally well known name, 125 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 4: one of the richest men in the country, from a 126 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 4: very old family, the Mellon family, who owned all the 127 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 4: melon banking, and he had a really keen interest in 128 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 4: national news. And I don't know what he saw in me, 129 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 4: but he saw my ability to listen to people and 130 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 4: to be able to tell a decent story. And so 131 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 4: he said, do you want to cover national politics, and 132 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, and I did, and. 133 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: I learned pretty darn quickly. I was there for twenty years. 134 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 3: I did this for twenty years, covering local and national 135 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 3: politics and culture, and I learned pretty quickly. I think 136 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: it was the John Kerry campaign or the maybe it 137 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: was the Obama campaign. I can't remember. I knew very 138 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 3: quickly that I did not belong on the campaign bus, 139 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 3: like I just didn't not belong there. I remember calling it. 140 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 3: It happened. Maybe it was Carrie. I don't know, I 141 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 3: can't remember. 142 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 4: I'm old. 143 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 6: I just remember calling my boss from a pave phone, 144 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 6: yeah in Scranton, Pennsylvania, saying I can't go on this 145 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 6: bus any longer. 146 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 3: All I am doing is spending time with other reporters, 147 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 3: and they're all like, I have the same mindset. They're 148 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 3: not from Pennsylvania. They don't kind of understand our quirkiness. 149 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 3: And I'm not having any interaction with voters because they 150 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 3: when you're in the press bus. 151 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 7: You don't get to talk to people. I'm like, I'm 152 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,719 Speaker 7: writing crap. So he said, okay, just come home, and 153 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 7: and in typical Selena fashion, I told the bus to 154 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 7: just keep going without me. And then I was like, oh, 155 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 7: wait a minute, I'm I gonna get know. SAT randomly rent. 156 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 4: A car, and from that moment on, I only drove 157 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 4: to whatever I was covering. 158 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 3: And I've driven driven to every state. I've even been 159 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: to Alaska. And I used to fly to. 160 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 4: Events, but flying then became ridiculous because I live in 161 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 4: a city where there's no hub, so therefore you had 162 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 4: to make like thirteen different connecting flights, and you would 163 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 4: miss one of them because one was late. 164 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 3: And so I just started driving. So when I interviewed 165 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 3: Governor DeSantis, I drove to Florida. But in that stretch, 166 00:09:54,280 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 3: I got seventeen other really good stories, right and and 167 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 3: and I always take back roads, they don't take turnpikes 168 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 3: or interstates, because that's where you can see how places 169 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: have changed for the better or for the worse, and 170 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 3: you can understand why people vote the way they do. 171 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: That is so amazing. I had no I did not 172 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: know the driving thing. I always felt like your writing 173 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: was you were trying to get to the bottom of 174 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: what people really thought and where they really lived. And 175 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: you always treat every place with such respect, And I 176 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: think that that's you know, so beautiful, but I didn't 177 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: know you were driving the back roads to get those stories. 178 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: That's incredible. 179 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 4: My first Jeep had four hundred thousand miles. It was 180 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 4: fourteen years old. I'm on my second one and I 181 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 4: just passed two hundred and seventy thousand. So yeah, but 182 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 4: you know that's where the best stories are. I can't 183 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 4: if I take the interstate. That's no different than flying right. 184 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 4: When you pull over to get gas, it's like the 185 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 4: same gas station and the same McDonald's. And there's nothing 186 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 4: wrong with that. There's no depth of perception of understanding 187 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 4: why people vote the way they do. And that's why 188 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 4: I understood in twenty sixteen and Trump was going to win. 189 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 4: But I actually called this this conservative populist coalition that 190 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 4: was forming in two thousand and six during those mid terms, 191 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 4: and interestingly enough, it was when Republicans were losing to Democrats, 192 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 4: and I was like, what's going on here? And it 193 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 4: was this really interesting intersection where and Rob Emanuel, who 194 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 4: was then in charge of the d Triple C and 195 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 4: recruiting candidates, he picked candidates that were pro life, pro gun, 196 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 4: were fiscally responsible. So they picked candidates they Republicans could 197 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 4: be comfortable voting for In because he understood that Republicans 198 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 4: were pissed off at Republican candidates because they were spreending 199 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 4: like drunken sailors, right, and they had lost their way. 200 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 4: So it was showing me that these coalitions were starting 201 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 4: to shift and that the working class was becoming part 202 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 4: of the Republican Party. That was very early inception, but 203 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 4: it was definitely happening. 204 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: What has been the best part of all this, this 205 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: whole crazy journey that you've been taking. 206 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 4: Oh, all the people I get to me, all the 207 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 4: privilege that I have to interview people where they are, 208 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 4: and really getting a profound sense of what place means 209 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 4: to people and having a sense of place being rooted. 210 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 4: You know, people don't realize, but eight out of ten 211 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 4: people in this eight out of ten people in this 212 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 4: country live within one hundred miles of where they grew up. 213 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 4: Seven ten people live within ten miles of where they 214 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 4: grew So roots matter. So when people don't understand take 215 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 4: my take my state for instance, and. 216 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: Her state is Pennsylvania. For anyone who doesn't know. 217 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh Pennsylvania. So if anybody remembers one of the 218 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 4: last best speeches Joe Biden gave was at the State 219 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 4: of the Union dress in twenty twenty four. It was 220 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 4: arguably his best speech, and it was coherent and it 221 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 4: was to the point, and it was something that had 222 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 4: been lacking with him and leading to that date, and 223 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 4: so people were like, okay. But then he said something 224 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 4: in that speech. He said something about snackflation. And he 225 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 4: was talking about how greedy, uh, these these these uh 226 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 4: snack company owners were, and he pointed to Bob Casey, 227 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 4: who was then the US Senator from Pennsylvania Democrat, said 228 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 4: I'm putting you in charge of these evil, bad people. 229 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: I'm honestly paraphrasing a little bit on made yeah. 230 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 4: But not really in tone. He was like, you're in 231 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 4: charge of snackflation. Get you know, the all this greed, 232 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 4: And he was sort of putting the blame of inflation 233 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 4: on that. And I'm watching it and my mouth is 234 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 4: wide open. I'm like, wait, what do they not realize 235 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 4: that eighty percent of the snacks consumed in this country 236 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 4: are made in six counties in Pennsylvania. Affect someone's vote. Yeah, 237 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 4: the farmers, the manufacturers, the peoples in the people in 238 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 4: the c suites that live in the nice neighborhoods, to 239 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 4: drive the truck drivers. All of these people are a 240 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 4: coalition of people, and you just called them the bad guy. 241 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: Right, I had no idea, that's really sure. It's like 242 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: such an interesting point. 243 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 4: As not mean me, But I know you expect this 244 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 4: much Montumbery County or your county c suite, like living 245 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 4: in a half million dollar home, vote for Kamala Harris 246 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 4: or Joe Biden because that's what sort of the stereotype dictates. 247 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 4: But if you're going after my industry, I don't think so. 248 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 4: I know you think my family's going to vote for you, 249 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 4: I don't think so. So it's those sort of intimate, 250 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 4: granular things that that makes me understand like why my 251 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 4: state is it mattered? But also if you didn't know this, 252 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 4: if you weren't on a back road in York Pennsylvania 253 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 4: and you didn't see snyders potato chips, or if you've 254 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 4: never been to Hershey Park and understand sort of all 255 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 4: that happens in our state, you know that that contributes 256 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 4: to snacks, then you know there was just such a 257 00:15:59,000 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 4: huge disconnect. 258 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: Right, he had no idea. He was just criticizing you. 259 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: Know some ceo. Yeah, some ceo somewhere right. 260 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 4: You literally look it up on Wikipedia. Snack belt Pennsylvania. 261 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 4: It's fascinating, not that hard. 262 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: Wow. So you're such a champion for Pennsylvania. You clearly 263 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: love your state so much. And you know, one of 264 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: my best friends considers Pittsburgh like, you know, the undiscovered 265 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: or not undiscovered but undervalued American city, which he just 266 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: thinks is like the greatest city in the country. I've 267 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: never been to Pittsburgh. What makes it so amazing? 268 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 4: And if you asked me five years ago, I would 269 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 4: say everything but the people. Undeniably, it's the people that 270 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 4: make the city amazing. Unfortunately, the politics in the city 271 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 4: has gotten very weird, uh. And there's been a lot 272 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 4: of anti Semitism, there has been, uh, you know, a 273 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 4: defiance to the Ice Org. There has been Its just 274 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 4: been very ugly, ugly politics. A lot of that has 275 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 4: to do with the Democrats Socialist of America sort of 276 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 4: being backing these far left candidates, right, because we are 277 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 4: a closed state and a closed primary state, and because 278 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 4: people generally that vote in primaries tend to be either 279 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 4: the furthest left or the furthest right of their party. 280 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 4: They have become the leaders in the in the city. 281 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 4: So thinks Summerly is our congresswoman. And so the politics 282 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 4: have have sort of hurt the city a little bit. Right. 283 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 4: We have a homeless problem, we have a crime problem. 284 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 4: But outside of that, my city is you know, it's 285 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 4: it's a beautiful city. It's a very old American city. 286 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 4: It was was literally considered the West uh in the 287 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 4: beginning of found things of our of our country. It's funny, 288 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 4: you know, my family has been in Pennsylvania since sixteen 289 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 4: thirty two, the Scottish shide, not the Italians. Yeah, there 290 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 4: wasn't even in Italy in sixteen thirty two. But the 291 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 4: and and have been in pennsylv in Lake, Pittsburgh and Butler. 292 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,479 Speaker 4: That's what made That's what made what happened to me 293 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 4: and Butler are all that more. You know, personal have 294 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 4: been there since the seventeen fifties. I love my city. 295 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 4: I just wish that it would clean up as app We're. 296 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: Going to take a quick break and be right back 297 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: on the Carol Marco It Show. So what happened to 298 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: you in Butler? For anybody who doesn't. 299 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 4: Know, So, yeah, wait, y'all need to buy my book. 300 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, the book is called Butler, and when. 301 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 4: It's coming out, you can pre order it to re 302 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 4: order it now. So I was four feet away from 303 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 4: the President when he was shot at in Butler. It 304 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 4: was an interesting day, as any journalist knows when you go. 305 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 4: When you when you have certain things planned for a day, 306 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 4: including an interview, there's a seventy percent chance it's not 307 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 4: going to happen. Sure right, like your day's just not 308 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 4: going to go the way it planned, and you have 309 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 4: to be ready at cord of it. 310 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 311 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 4: I was supposed to interview President Trump that day, July thirteenth, 312 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 4: in Butler, and it was supposed to be five minute 313 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 4: interview right before the rally, and about three hours before 314 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 4: he got there, I get a text saying, Hey, change 315 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 4: of plans, and so I immediately think, I it's not going 316 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 4: to happen, But they said no, can you interview them 317 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 4: for five minutes after the rally? I said bought. And 318 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 4: then about an hour before President Trump gets there, I 319 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 4: get a text saying, so, hey, President Trump really doesn't 320 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 4: want you to be like five minute interview. Want to 321 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 4: fly with him to Bedminster to the interview. On the plane, 322 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 4: I'm like, well, I didn't have out on my bingo card, right, 323 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 4: you know, yeah, I had my daughter with me. She's 324 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 4: a photo journalist, so she was gonna do the photos. 325 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 4: So she you know, has four kids. Her husband was 326 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 4: with her. There's a reason why her husband was with there. 327 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 4: It was one hundred and three degrees that day. We 328 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 4: made him carry everything, so we're like, okay, that's what 329 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 4: we're gonna do. And about two minutes before, no, about 330 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 4: five minutes before President Trump's about to go on stage, 331 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 4: this campaign advance man grab me and said it's go time. 332 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, everything's changed again. Like follow 333 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 4: him through this like narrow little causeway. We go in 334 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 4: the back of the stage, there's President Trump. It's called 335 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 4: a clickroom. A clickroom is where generally the president will 336 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 4: meet with like local people. A couple people grabbed from 337 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 4: the crowd and law enforcement and then their photo taking 338 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 4: with the president. They put me at the end of 339 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 4: the line, the three of us at the end of 340 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 4: the line, and I said, well, where are we doing 341 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 4: this interview? And the poor guys his name was Michelle goes, 342 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 4: I actually don't know. He's let me go ask the president. 343 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 4: He goes, around. There's a big curt and he goes 344 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 4: around and uh, he comes back. It's just like the 345 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 4: very sheepishly says, he just wanted to say, Hi, We're 346 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 4: still going to Bedminster. I'm like, okay, right, so again 347 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 4: things are changed. I go around and and we have 348 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 4: this thing between us. He always is like, say, you know, 349 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 4: best hair in America? Yeah, And I get so embarrassed 350 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 4: because then everybody is staring at me, like, and I'm thinking, 351 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 4: is my hair good? I've been in the amenity for 352 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 4: like five hours. I don't I hear you? 353 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: Girl? 354 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, my curly Italian hair, like we can't keep it straight. Yeah. 355 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 4: So he asked about my great children and then set 356 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 4: me on my way. So at this point he can't 357 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 4: get us back to the press riser where the rest 358 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 4: of the press are, because that little causeway that we 359 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 4: were sent through was now closed off. So he goes, okay, 360 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 4: since you're going right after the rally with the President, 361 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 4: let's put you in the buffer. And the buffer is 362 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 4: is sort of a well mostly used by security that 363 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 4: separates the president from the crowd and also by photo 364 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 4: journalists because just going to well follow him around as 365 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 4: he goes out on the stage and then get over 366 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 4: on the far side. Okay, we're all taking photos. My daughter, 367 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 4: my son in Loave became We're what. He comes out, 368 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 4: he waves to the crowd. He then goes up to 369 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 4: the podium. And you know, if you've never been to 370 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 4: a Trump rally, you don't understand. But the relationship between 371 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 4: him and the people that are attending it is very transactional. 372 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 4: He feeds off of them, they feed off of him. 373 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,239 Speaker 4: And this is in a positive way. This is a 374 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 4: very sort of aspirational way. People believe they are part 375 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 4: of something bigger than themselves, and Chump intuitively understands that 376 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 4: he is as well. He's part of it. He's part 377 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 4: of them. It's not just about him, it's about everybody there. 378 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 4: So because of that, he never looks away from the crowd. 379 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 4: He'll move his he'll move his body and look at 380 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 4: different size, like turn around and look at crowds around. 381 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 3: Right. 382 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: It's not like he has notes or anything. 383 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, so two things happen simultaneously that never happened. He 384 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 4: brings a chart down, I'm like, what is he? Ross 385 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 4: Perot like, he never has a chart? Amazing, And then 386 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 4: he turns away from the crowd, and he never does that. 387 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 4: And at that moment, I hear pop pop pop pop. 388 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 4: The bullets fly right over. I watch him go down, 389 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 4: but he takes himself down. I note that, like it's 390 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 4: really weird. You know how they always say things happen 391 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 4: in slow motion, They absolutely do. Really, I can see 392 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 4: him go down. I can see him hold his ear. 393 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 4: I see the Secret Service go around him. You remember, 394 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 4: I'm like four feet away from him. 395 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 1: At this point. And is your daughter snapping pictures? 396 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 4: My daughter? Yeah, we're We don't stop working until the 397 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 4: second four bullets go by and Michelle takes us down. 398 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 4: The campaign press guy, He's amazing. He's my hero, he 399 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 4: Michelle Picard. I will love him forever. He was so 400 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 4: protective of all of us. And I can I can 401 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 4: hear the whole conversation he is having with the Secret Service, 402 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 4: and you know, like about when to go up, you 403 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 4: know that the shooter is dead, Like you can hear 404 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 4: them talking, you can hear their ray. I can hear 405 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 4: the radio's just because of how close you am, and 406 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 4: I can. It was a little bit funny. It's funnier now. 407 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 4: It was a little bit funny in the moment, and 408 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 4: hear him like they want him to get up and 409 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 4: wanted me to go. But he's like basically saying, I 410 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 4: need to put my damn shoes on right, like his 411 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 4: someone had knocked his shoes off, and and I hear 412 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 4: one agent sigh like okay, all right, like okay, put 413 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 4: your shoes on right. 414 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: But they get his shoes off. That's so weird. 415 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 4: And then he comes off the stage. He goes right 416 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 4: past me. There is an agent that holds a gun 417 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 4: right in our heads as he's going past, because they 418 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 4: still don't know what. And so I did not go 419 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 4: to Bedminster that day, no, obviously. But he calls me 420 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 4: the next morning, right and early, and before I could 421 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 4: say hello, like I didn't even get my hello out. 422 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 4: So are you okay? Is Shannon and Mike okay? I'm 423 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 4: like and I felt like saying, are you freaking kidding me? 424 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 4: You do you've just been shot? 425 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe focus on yourself. 426 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. We would ended up talking, I believe seven different 427 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 4: times that day. You called me back a lot of 428 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 4: times because he kept getting interrupted obviously obviously, yeah, but 429 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 4: also just talking about faith, about him making that decision, 430 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 4: like all of that's all details of those conversations are 431 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 4: in the book. 432 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: I cannot wait to read this because he seems like 433 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: a changed person after. 434 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 4: He's probably changed. Yeah, as someone that has interviewed him 435 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 4: nineteen times, he is definitely a changed hersent. And there's 436 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 4: really some poignant moments with him and I after that 437 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 4: at different places. Is they're really powerful. But but the 438 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 4: book also really gets into like everybody was reading things 439 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 4: in other newspapers and thinking one thing might happen, and 440 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 4: I kept writing notes, not you'll need to come to Pennsylvania. 441 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: Right. 442 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 4: It was clear to me that that that she stood 443 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 4: no chance. Biden definitely didn't stand a chance. Probably, I mean, 444 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 4: I will say this unequivocally, would have lost worse than 445 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 4: she did. Really, it was clear to me that she 446 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 4: was not gonna win. She she had no cultural connection to. 447 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: The voters here and that or any kind of connection 448 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: I think to any voters she was impossible to really 449 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: get through to. 450 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. So, and and you'll find out in the book 451 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 4: the first the forward in the book, not the forwards, 452 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 4: the first chapter, you'll find out that there was another 453 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 4: president that was shot in Butler. And it is really 454 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 4: intense and it's really really. 455 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: Interesting, shocking. I can't wait to read it, Butler, and 456 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: when does it come out again? 457 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 4: That comes out of July eighth. 458 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: But pre order, pre order preorders are important like this, Yeah, 459 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 1: it's the main thing. Everybody pre orders Lena's book. It's 460 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: going to be amazing. You could tell by the story 461 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: she just told how incredible a storyteller she is. And 462 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 1: I just can't wait to read it. So a question 463 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: that I ask all of my guests is what do 464 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: you worry about? 465 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 4: So, as I said in my homework sign, yeah, I 466 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 4: tend not to work really yeah, I mean it doesn't 467 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 4: kind of. 468 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: Italian doesn't worry. 469 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,719 Speaker 4: Well, here's why you don't worry, because it has no power. 470 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 4: Worry has absolutely no power. It drains you. It can't 471 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 4: do Worry can do nothing to change circumstances. It is 472 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 4: just a waste of energy. If you want to, if 473 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 4: you have something that's really sort of concerning you, or 474 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 4: a life struggle that you're trying to work your way through, 475 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 4: or even if it's just an issue with your child 476 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 4: or your parents or your family or your career, the 477 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 4: best thing to do is go outside and take a walk. 478 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 4: And if faith is important to you, prayer is something 479 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 4: that has often gotten me through And by the way, 480 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 4: ever get everything I ask for. When I pray, I 481 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 4: probably only get a tense But prayer is really really 482 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 4: a great way or being reflective is a great way 483 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 4: to uplift that stress, and it helps you understand that 484 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 4: there are some things you just don't have control over, 485 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 4: and it helps you think about better ways to manage it. 486 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: What advice would you give your sixteen year old self? 487 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: What does sixteen year old Selena need to know? 488 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 4: All the things you're going to fail at, don't worry 489 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 4: about it. They end up being the things that make 490 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 4: you successful. 491 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: What do you What have you failed at? 492 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,959 Speaker 4: Oh? I've a fired so many times? 493 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: Really, just I see you as like this beloved writer. 494 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: Like I was thinking about this before our interview, Like 495 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: the right is very fractured, and there's a lot of 496 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: like groups or clicks or whatever, and you just kind 497 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: of transcend all of that. And so it's surprising to 498 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: me that you failed at anything. 499 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 4: Oh, that's because I didn't belong there. You have. We 500 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 4: have to recognize failures aren't about not trying hard enough. 501 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 4: Failures about it not being a good fit. It's sort 502 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 4: of like going on a date with the euro Say 503 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 4: you're a woman and you meet the perfect guy, right, 504 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 4: and you like you know you, you get along and 505 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 4: on paper he's great. On paper, you're great. But it 506 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 4: doesn't work out. And it's not because either were bad. 507 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 4: It's because it wasn't a good fit. He's in corporate 508 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 4: America for two jobs and I was terrible at it. 509 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 4: And it was not nothing to do with not working 510 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 4: really hard, right, I was just really really bad. But 511 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 4: where I learned so much, and I think what makes 512 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:32,959 Speaker 4: me a good writer is observation skills. I have always 513 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 4: been a people watcher and it has taught me so much. 514 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 4: But also being a waitress, being a hairdresser, being a 515 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 4: hockey mom, soccer mom, football mom, my kids played every 516 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 4: cross mom, my kids played every sport imaginable. 517 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have one of those. 518 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. And also understanding place in the world where you 519 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 4: are and where you're from. A respect for a place, 520 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 4: no matter where you no matter where you find yourself, 521 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 4: helps you become a better writer. 522 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: I love that. I love everything you do. She's so fantastic. 523 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: Selena Zito, leave us here with your best tip for 524 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: my listeners on how they can improve their lives. Well, 525 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go one of the three questions, Selena, you 526 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: wrote out an answer, I can go find you right out. 527 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 4: An answer, and I go back to my second answer. Okay, 528 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 4: how do you improve your lives? Take a little care 529 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 4: of yourself. I'm telling you nothing is better than either 530 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 4: a good cup of coffee or glass of water or 531 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 4: whatever your drink of choices shouldn't be alcohol in the morning. 532 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 4: And take a walk. Yeah, a fifteen minute walk you 533 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 4: walk in your house like it gets your endorphins going, right. 534 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 4: As What's your Name famously said in What's the Movie 535 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 4: where she becomes a lawyer. 536 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: I think legally blind. I felt like I knew where 537 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: you were going with this reason. With food, your endorphins. 538 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 4: If you're if you're working, you're endor happy. 539 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: People don't kill people. 540 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, And so taking that walk, you know, in the 541 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 4: first thing in the morning, even if your kids are 542 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 4: around the how do circuits around your house, whatever you 543 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 4: need to do, get get those juices flowing. It helps 544 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 4: your mind be clear and had its Exercise is never bad. 545 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: That's right, hear. I wouldn't take the chance myself, but yeah, 546 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: that would be my best advice. I love it. She 547 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: is Selena Zito. She's amazing. Pre Order her new book, Butler. 548 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: It's going to be out in July, but pre order 549 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: it right now so you have it the day it 550 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: comes out. Thank you so much, Selena Zito. 551 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. This is fun. 552 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Markho 553 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: would show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.