Speaker 1: This He's talking Cowboys Screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola,
Speaker 1: Bryan Brats, Rob Phillips, and Taylor Stern. Welcome everybody into
Speaker 1: the SWBC Mortgage Studio. It is talking Tuesday, and we
Speaker 1: have some technical difficulties, but we are on and rolling here.
Speaker 1: I got Robin Brian Mickey still you know growing that
Speaker 1: beard somewhere. He'll be back soon. Do we know where
Speaker 1: he is? We we don't know the man of the wilderness,
Speaker 1: and we'll just let that go. Yeah, probably skiing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll be fine. Are you guys glad to be back though,
Speaker 1: after your indie trip? Yeah, there's still a lot of
Speaker 1: work to do, would you say? Fifty days till the draft?
Speaker 1: Fifty one to day fifty tomorrow, so yeah, and the
Speaker 1: Draft show rolling right after this, right after this twelve fifteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get this magazine we're working on, just grind it
Speaker 1: on tape. Just yeah, I mean, it's just it's a
Speaker 1: little bit different because we've added a couple more guys
Speaker 1: to every position, so that makes it a little bit
Speaker 1: of a different aspect for me. But yeah, I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to kind of getting that thing done into the month,
Speaker 1: hopefully be out first of April. It's hilarious because when
Speaker 1: Brian does start looking at guys early December December and like,
Speaker 1: why is he doing that? You know, it's so far
Speaker 1: away from now, and then all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: blink in it's time. Yeah. I just it's amazing. Once
Speaker 1: you get done with the combine, then now you're into
Speaker 1: Pro days, and once the Pro days start, you're going
Speaker 1: to draft. That's just the way it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy and hopefully we'll get hit some Pro days,
Speaker 1: but that's a that's a draft show day. Absolutely. And guys,
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Speaker 1: then it's kind of just luck of the draw lottery, yeah,
Speaker 1: to get those draft tickets. But you still have the
Speaker 1: time to do so. And if you guys have been
Speaker 1: on Twitter lately, you might have seen that, just like
Speaker 1: we all did, DeMarcus Lawrence found out that he did,
Speaker 1: in fact get franchise tagged ahead of today's deadline at
Speaker 1: three pm, which was awesome. Yeah. I think DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: has handled the franchise tag situation as well as probably anyone,
Speaker 1: right right, well, yeah, yeah, I mean he's thirteen million dollars.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's what you made last year. It's slightly
Speaker 1: below what I made. Yeah, so I'm trying to do
Speaker 1: my taxes right now. It's a little difficult. But no,
Speaker 1: you know, this is this is kind of where I
Speaker 1: was going here. This is I'm okay with what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys did here, and I understand they couldn't get a
Speaker 1: deal done with Lawrence. I mean for a long term,
Speaker 1: and this will buy him, buy him an opportunity to
Speaker 1: do that, but make him, make him play another year,
Speaker 1: make him show you that he's worth you know, the
Speaker 1: amount of money that you're going to have to use
Speaker 1: to sign him long term. He seems fine with that.
Speaker 1: He won Twitter yesterday, by the way, Oh he won Twitter.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, immediately Charon, Hey, I didn't know
Speaker 1: this was even happening. Thanks everyone, then saying you know,
Speaker 1: while I'm on here, Dez caught it. Then later in
Speaker 1: the evening, his family only left him one slice of pizza,
Speaker 1: humbled him and Brandon he echoed your tax messages. Funny gift.
Speaker 1: But absolutely. How great is it that he actually signed
Speaker 1: the tender last night? Well, I think it's good from
Speaker 1: the standpoint of there's no contentiousness, and there was. You know,
Speaker 1: I think there was a little bit with Dez Bryant
Speaker 1: three years ago and he didn't want to sign the tag,
Speaker 1: didn't sign the tag, and you went four months of okay,
Speaker 1: can we get something done? Is he going to hold
Speaker 1: out all that kind of stuff? That's not the case here.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of I think Anthony Spencer several years
Speaker 1: ago signed the franchise tag, like, okay, you want to
Speaker 1: give me twelve million guaranteed right on the spot? Fine,
Speaker 1: where do I sign about twenty four million dollars for
Speaker 1: playing one year? Not bad? And I think, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like Dave tweeted yesterday, imagine if you find out
Speaker 1: on Twitter that you're gonna be handed seventeen million bucks,
Speaker 1: you know it's not a bad gig. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: there's that too. That's the thing. Obviously, he's gonna want
Speaker 1: long term security, and you know the Cowboys have said
Speaker 1: they want to try to work something with him. They
Speaker 1: haven't until July sixteenth to do so, but we'll see.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he winds up just playing on the tag,
Speaker 1: and if he's okay with that, fine, that would give
Speaker 1: him an opportunity to maybe cash in even more next
Speaker 1: year if he has another big time sack season, and
Speaker 1: from the Cowboys standpoint, maybe it's a win win. You
Speaker 1: see him try to replicate what he's done last year,
Speaker 1: make it two years in a row, because last year
Speaker 1: was the first time he's ever had, you know, double
Speaker 1: digit sacks and been a Pro Bowl type guy. So
Speaker 1: maybe it's a win win type deal. Of course, if
Speaker 1: I'm the player, any player typically doesn't like the franchise tag.
Speaker 1: You want that long term security, like you said, Brian,
Speaker 1: you want some some gart money to go along with
Speaker 1: that guaranteed stuff. But I like that, you know, if
Speaker 1: he does, like you said, make him play for it,
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah. Because of the fact then you
Speaker 1: have all your answers to the questions of people saying, well,
Speaker 1: he's had two back surgeries, he's had a suspension that
Speaker 1: really took him out most of the season. Now those
Speaker 1: answers are like, well that was in the past, because
Speaker 1: now back to back season, he's proven to you he
Speaker 1: is a sack leader, he's a dominant pass rusher in
Speaker 1: this league. He deserves a long term deal. I think
Speaker 1: that also shows that his willingness to cooperate with the
Speaker 1: organization is a benefit. Yeah, I mean you don't see
Speaker 1: that too frequently. I mean you look at what's going
Speaker 1: on right now with the Steelers and layby on bail
Speaker 1: and that they would say undoubtedly that what he didn't
Speaker 1: last season kind of affected his regular season. Sure, so
Speaker 1: I'm with it. Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt
Speaker 1: that that Lawrence, if he goes with the same goes
Speaker 1: about the same way that he went through it last
Speaker 1: year getting ready for the season. You know, the offseason program,
Speaker 1: whatever he did to change his workouts, eating habits, whatever
Speaker 1: he did. He needs to go back to that program
Speaker 1: and and and do as well. I don't have a
Speaker 1: doubt that, you know that he'll be ready to go again.
Speaker 1: I I it kind of these these contracts are just
Speaker 1: making me think though about you know what contract is
Speaker 1: the next one that all the fans are gonna be
Speaker 1: mad about? You know that. I mean, you want to
Speaker 1: make these guys earn the contract you want to make them.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody's been getting on Jerry Jones and Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones for giving contracts out and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now we're having talks about, well, you know, Dez Bryant
Speaker 1: can't play and Crawford can't play, and you know, I
Speaker 1: mean now every you know, it seems like that initially
Speaker 1: you get these contracts, these players earned these contracts. But
Speaker 1: then as as a fan base, you know, everybody gets
Speaker 1: really bent about, you know, the production. So may make
Speaker 1: the guy, make the guy play for it, and you know,
Speaker 1: if it's something that that he should proves he gets
Speaker 1: you know, ten, twelve, fourteen sacks, then then then pay
Speaker 1: the man. That's that's the way it should be. The
Speaker 1: only thing that's stopping him from being a perennial Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl guy has been his health, you know, And so
Speaker 1: that's something to consider when you're looking at how much
Speaker 1: am I going to pay this guy down the road.
Speaker 1: He is only I think twenty five going on twenty six,
Speaker 1: so he's not an older player, but it is you know,
Speaker 1: putting this the franchise tag on him, that is a
Speaker 1: huge number now in your cap. And we found out
Speaker 1: the cap total is going to be about one seventy seven, right,
Speaker 1: you know, they've they started off with some space and
Speaker 1: they have him twelve thousand dollars left. Yeah, there was
Speaker 1: a half after slotting him. So now you've got to
Speaker 1: figure out ways to create more space with free agency
Speaker 1: starting next week, and there's ways they can do it.
Speaker 1: One way is to get a deal with Zack Martin
Speaker 1: done pretty quickly, and we'll see if that happens before
Speaker 1: the new league gear. But you know, they can restructure
Speaker 1: and do all those things. You know, we'll see what
Speaker 1: happens with Dez. But again, I just wouldn't count on
Speaker 1: them being big spenders on the open market. Great segue, Rob,
Speaker 1: because yes, you brought up Zach Martin and Dez Bryan
Speaker 1: and there were a lot of aws and questions that
Speaker 1: were finally put to rest when Jerry spoke last week
Speaker 1: at the combine. Probably first off, starting with the Zach Martin.
Speaker 1: I feel like Steven really answered that last Tuesday, kind
Speaker 1: of saying, yeah, that's we're gonna have talks with Tom
Speaker 1: Condon this week. You know, so what do you what
Speaker 1: do you take from all of that? I think they've
Speaker 1: they've laid a foundation to get a deal done. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the timing is going to be on that.
Speaker 1: I would expect it to get done at some point
Speaker 1: in the offseason. I'd be surprised if it wasn't. Now.
Speaker 1: Could you get it done before March fourteenth and create
Speaker 1: some space for yourselves by spreading out you know that
Speaker 1: cap hit. I don't know. I'm sure they would love
Speaker 1: to do that, because, like we just said, d Laws
Speaker 1: got a big number there that's affecting your space. I'm
Speaker 1: not so worried about Martin. I wonder if you get
Speaker 1: a deal done with the Marcus Lawrence and I don't
Speaker 1: know at this point what you do with Dez Bryant.
Speaker 1: I left the Combine scratching my head over the Deaz situation.
Speaker 1: But I think all those talks with Martin last season
Speaker 1: set the groundwork to get something done with him. I
Speaker 1: think if I think at the Cowboys deal with Dez Bryant,
Speaker 1: and I've said this a bunch, I said it on shows.
Speaker 1: I was on on one oh five three last week
Speaker 1: from the Combine, I think, if they deal with Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant in a respectful manner, if Jerry and does sit
Speaker 1: down and have a real discussion. I think Dez Bryant
Speaker 1: understands the situation. I think he really does. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna I think Jerry's gonna let him say his
Speaker 1: two cents. Jerry's gonna say his two cents. But I
Speaker 1: think that they will come to a resolution that something
Speaker 1: needs to be done. But I think it has to
Speaker 1: be done in a respectful manner. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: that you can you can hit Dez Bryant over the
Speaker 1: head with this and say, okay, you take this or
Speaker 1: leave this. I think does Bryant wants to be here.
Speaker 1: I think he wants to play. I think he understands.
Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys understand what Dez Bryant means this organization,
Speaker 1: not only on the field, but off the field. Think
Speaker 1: about think about the things when you when you look
Speaker 1: at the jersey sales and things like that. Again, I'm
Speaker 1: not tying it into the only reason to keep him around.
Speaker 1: It's because his jersey sell as well. But he's one
Speaker 1: of the most recognizable players on this franchise, you know,
Speaker 1: and they understand that. And I and has he had
Speaker 1: a couple of a couple of rough goes at it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he has, but you've also had to deal with a
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback and then a second year quarterback. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to say, though, if they do it the
Speaker 1: right way, I think everybody could be happy about the
Speaker 1: direction this thing is going to go. And here's the
Speaker 1: other aspect of it. And we've talked about it on
Speaker 1: the show, and we've got a Twitter poll later in
Speaker 1: the show about biggest needs in free agency. You let
Speaker 1: him go, and now you've added another primary need to
Speaker 1: your roster, either in free agency or the draft. Yea.
Speaker 1: And we've talked about other positions they need to fill.
Speaker 1: You want to add that one to the list. Try
Speaker 1: to find a number one quality receiver with not a
Speaker 1: ton of money to spend, and typically receivers take a
Speaker 1: little while the rookie year to be productive in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't let him go. Now I've kind
Speaker 1: of gone back and forth. I mean, Steven Jones is
Speaker 1: talked about that they got to make a business decision
Speaker 1: with him. Jerry to me leaving the combine, I felt like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what Brian said, maybe it's more likely they figure something
Speaker 1: out where he comes back, because Jerry stated it as
Speaker 1: I sit right here. Yes, you know we want him back.
Speaker 1: Now at some point they are to have a discussion
Speaker 1: about his money. I think like they do want him back.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, Rob, I think you're right, Brandon.
Speaker 1: I think they know what he is. He uses that
Speaker 1: as his leverage too. Hey, I'm does Brian eighty eight
Speaker 1: one of the big time faces for this entire franchise
Speaker 1: eighty eight, you know, and it's just the X everything.
Speaker 1: He knows that as well. But I think you need
Speaker 1: to come to the understanding he does that he will
Speaker 1: most likely have to take that pay cut. Oh no,
Speaker 1: it's not most likely. He is just yeah, if you
Speaker 1: watch half million dollars for twenty eighteen, that's a yes number.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you if, if you know if, and
Speaker 1: I think he will, I think he will. Again, it's
Speaker 1: got to be done in a respectful manner. It's you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it almost like a way where it was like
Speaker 1: his idea, well yeah, and you got to walk him through.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think is smart enough to realize
Speaker 1: he's a veteran player. He knows how this league operates.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't blame these players. I don't
Speaker 1: blame these players for the salaries they make. No, it's
Speaker 1: it's the it's the front offices that pay these salaries.
Speaker 1: Like you can complain all you want about Dez, you
Speaker 1: can complain all you want about Tyron Crawford. It's not
Speaker 1: their fault. They got paid. Someone sat down and said
Speaker 1: this is what this guy's worth to me right now
Speaker 1: for this number of years. Everybody's like, oh, the guy
Speaker 1: didn't perform, the guy didn't do this, guy didn't do that.
Speaker 1: You know, the front office is the one that sets
Speaker 1: this up. So yeah, I mean these guys. Yeah, you'd
Speaker 1: like for everybody to live up their contract. You'd like
Speaker 1: for it to be like the guy, you know, Klais
Speaker 1: Campbell and in Jacksonville where he makes you know X
Speaker 1: amount of millions of dollars and has fourteen fifteen sacks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody wants that. In free agency. I'm sure the Giants,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's saying, well, you know what about Olivier Vernon.
Speaker 1: You know, you think the Giants are real happy where
Speaker 1: the fans are real happy about Olivia Vernon's contract right away,
Speaker 1: But no, the Giants gave him that contract. Somebody sat
Speaker 1: down and made a decision that hey, we could pay
Speaker 1: him this. So it's a little bit difficult now to
Speaker 1: walk in with hat in hand and say, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: would you give us some money back? Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: now you're the ones that paid me. Yeah, now you
Speaker 1: want to take money away from me? Is that your
Speaker 1: fault or my fault? What happened? Was Stephen Diggs or
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs? How did he get into the mix? Because
Speaker 1: obviously they went after the quantreadwell mid middle of the
Speaker 1: first round two years ago. Yeah, and he was supposed
Speaker 1: to be kind of this explosive wide receiver. I mean,
Speaker 1: I even know some people here at the Cowboys thought
Speaker 1: he might be a good fit here and he hasn't
Speaker 1: panned out exactly in that way. Stefan Diggs is there
Speaker 1: number one receiver? Right? How did that come to be
Speaker 1: for them? I don't know that personally. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: I don't. I know it's different. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: the Viking Sool situation. Let me say the example, the
Speaker 1: guy in Denver, you know, the yeah, de Marius Thomas.
Speaker 1: He and Dez signed their contracts right at the same time.
Speaker 1: It was gonna be okay, who is gonna get the deal?
Speaker 1: Done first at the market. Yeah, nobody wanted. Nobody wanted
Speaker 1: to either side on that agency either. When it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: Dees first, Thomas first, Hannah was back and forth, back
Speaker 1: and forth, back and forth. And if you remember, once
Speaker 1: Dad signed, then all of a sudden, Thomas signed, like
Speaker 1: it was it was like the Broncos got the deal
Speaker 1: done later that day. The Broncos are probably not real
Speaker 1: happy with what's going on with Thomas's contract right now,
Speaker 1: so you know, and they've gone through quarterback changes. They've
Speaker 1: gone through They've gone through far worse quarterback changes than
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys have had to deal with. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things where again I keep saying,
Speaker 1: it's be respectful and I think things will get done
Speaker 1: in the right way so that all parties feel good
Speaker 1: about what they're doing. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: I mean easy is that isn't easy? It's not easy.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think he could. Dez Bryant is
Speaker 1: a prideful guy, yes, but he also understands he feels
Speaker 1: grateful to the Cowboys for drafting him, especially Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1: With not not playing football for a year, all these
Speaker 1: things basically that were in the in the balance, you
Speaker 1: know people that was There were so many things, and
Speaker 1: you know, he appreciates that. He appreciates Jerry Jones taking
Speaker 1: an opportunity to draft him a then an opportunity to
Speaker 1: pay him. You know, he no one, no one feels
Speaker 1: worse about his numbers or lack of numbers than him. Yes,
Speaker 1: and him, he wants it to work. He wants to
Speaker 1: win a super Bowl here. He was pretty emphatic on
Speaker 1: the fan a couple of weeks A sure he was.
Speaker 1: He wanted to wear the star. He wants to be back.
Speaker 1: He did talk about how he's let outside noise kind
Speaker 1: of affect him. And we've seen some of that, some
Speaker 1: of the drops and all appreciate that. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: and he's admitted he's played through some stuff. He says,
Speaker 1: you know, there was a talker he had the tendonitis
Speaker 1: this past season. He knows he hasn't been quite what
Speaker 1: he wants to be. He said he's gonna work towards
Speaker 1: it um. But yeah, it's it's an interesting thing how
Speaker 1: they're going to figure this out. I ultimately don't think
Speaker 1: you can afford to not have him and then start
Speaker 1: over and who's our number one receiver for Dak who
Speaker 1: you're trying to make the offense is quote Dak friendly
Speaker 1: as I agree? Yeah, And you know, if nothing, that
Speaker 1: just shows the maturity of Dez Bryant. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that we've watched Dez Bryant grow in a in a
Speaker 1: positive way. Here. People talk about the emotion and all
Speaker 1: that again and the sidelines, it's the passion and oh
Speaker 1: it's sometimes it detracts from you know, I wish everybody.
Speaker 1: I wish all forty six guys wanted to win as
Speaker 1: badly as Dez Bryant does, you know. And that's a
Speaker 1: good point because he is he has watched this offense
Speaker 1: evolve into an offense that's which runs the ball Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott yea. And I haven't seen him complaining and haven't
Speaker 1: heard that. And his numbers have dropped in part because
Speaker 1: of that too. Yeah, you have to look at that
Speaker 1: to some degree. How to set things up Rob and Taylor.
Speaker 1: He has said this, He says, I do not mind
Speaker 1: my numbers going down as long as we're winning games. Yes,
Speaker 1: And it had to be totally frustrated in him last
Speaker 1: year when that run when they weren't running the ball
Speaker 1: effectively enough when they weren't winning football games, and they
Speaker 1: weren't finding right now, where there's some things on Dez Bryant, Yeah,
Speaker 1: where there's some route problems, yes, where there's some drops,
Speaker 1: yes there were There is there a improvement that needs
Speaker 1: to be made between he and Dak Absolutely, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and now and you think in your third year, but
Speaker 1: this is a thing again. If it doesn't work this year,
Speaker 1: then't you move on? Yeah? And I think Dez Brian
Speaker 1: and I think that they I think he realizes, you
Speaker 1: know that if you take my salary and it doesn't work,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be around next year. But I
Speaker 1: think in his mind he's like, Okay, that's fine, I'll
Speaker 1: go and I'll go work somewhere else. I don't think
Speaker 1: he wants to be anywhere else. I don't think he
Speaker 1: wants to go to Philadelphia or Green Bay or Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay or any of those places. I think he wants
Speaker 1: to be here playing football again. It's the loyalty that
Speaker 1: he has, and but the Cowboys have to be and
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys have been loyal to him giving
Speaker 1: him the contract, but they've got to work this out
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. You just can't just cut him and
Speaker 1: then say, okay, let's start from ground zero again now
Speaker 1: with you know Dak and whoever else at Widerson, We've
Speaker 1: got left guard to address. We've payn DeMarcus. You're trying
Speaker 1: to get something done with Martin. There's only so much
Speaker 1: you can do with the resources they have, and they
Speaker 1: do have ten picks, but there's only so much you
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Speaker 1: rarely I'm glad you enjoyed it. I got to see
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Speaker 1: and so it's amazing. And the electricity in that area,
Speaker 1: that workout area when he was lifting, it was like
Speaker 1: it was like a game day, if you mean the
Speaker 1: fans were screaming. The way it's set up there, the
Speaker 1: fans were allowed to watch the weightlifting and our table
Speaker 1: is right there on the other side. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: and the fans were just totally getting into it and
Speaker 1: he was feeling it. And you know, twenty reps, you know,
Speaker 1: and that for a guy that's you know, two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty seven pounds, I mean, he's pretty impressive. But this,
Speaker 1: you know, when you watch him, like I say that
Speaker 1: that part right there you're seeing right there running, he's
Speaker 1: a blur on tape. That that that that that part
Speaker 1: of it did not surprise me at all. The lateral agility,
Speaker 1: the quickness, all that right there. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: what this kid is. That's the type of player he is.
Speaker 1: When you watch him play, he's not hard to find
Speaker 1: on the field because he's always around the football. He's
Speaker 1: always in the in the pilemaking to tackle. You just
Speaker 1: got to figure out, Tay, where you want to draft
Speaker 1: him and where do you want to play him. That
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the trick for the teams. Is he
Speaker 1: a guy that will be a starter initially? Probably not,
Speaker 1: but he's more likely a will linebacker, probably going to
Speaker 1: be a guy that you of course he'll be on
Speaker 1: all your special teams. He'll be a guy that I
Speaker 1: think you want rushing the passer. I really don't know
Speaker 1: if you want him always stuff. You see him right
Speaker 1: there with the drops and things like that. This is
Speaker 1: his game right there, his ability to attack the pocket.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of guy he is. So uh, you know,
Speaker 1: you just have to be you have to have a
Speaker 1: plan for him. And I know there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people pulling for him for sure. Oh absolutely, I think
Speaker 1: Jason Witten is one of them. Saw him won the
Speaker 1: award right two weeks ago here in Frisco when he
Speaker 1: actually won Jason Witten's first ever collegiate Man of the
Speaker 1: Year award deservedly, so, I mean, just to hear him
Speaker 1: talk about it, for him to be around here, it
Speaker 1: felt like he was extremely excited about all things draft,
Speaker 1: especially Cowboys. Oh absolutely, probably a cool experience for him
Speaker 1: and in the other two finals as well, But just
Speaker 1: I mean, Jason talked about it, just the inspiration he
Speaker 1: is to get where he is at this just to
Speaker 1: play college football with what he's had to overcome, and
Speaker 1: the fact that, like Brian said, how productive he's been
Speaker 1: as as a guy who can rush the pastor as
Speaker 1: a guy who can make tackles. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: like he said, I don't know if he starts for
Speaker 1: you day one, but how much of special teams is
Speaker 1: just will and determination and get after it down the field.
Speaker 1: And that's what he's he's he's a sub package player.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what he can do. You could put
Speaker 1: him on the field and allow him you know, it's
Speaker 1: put him in some special things where he's can blitz
Speaker 1: you know. Again, I anything he's doing where he's going
Speaker 1: at the football, I'm all for with it. I'm all
Speaker 1: with it. Now. The problem if you're a Cowboy fan
Speaker 1: or the Cowboy team, you've got a linebacker that and
Speaker 1: I think he's a will linebacker. I don't think that
Speaker 1: he is a MIC linebacker. Now. Yeah, now, if you
Speaker 1: if you, if you ask me of guys that could
Speaker 1: play as a Mike, Roquan Smith can play as a
Speaker 1: mike linebacker from Georgia right on him. Yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: first round guy. He's not the biggest linebacker either. No,
Speaker 1: but but but you watch him play and you watch
Speaker 1: his lateral agility, you watch the way he plays with
Speaker 1: his hands. He doesn't. He rarely gets blocked. You know,
Speaker 1: He's always a step ahead of where this is at
Speaker 1: it Roquan. Yeah, this this is a guy that, like
Speaker 1: you say that number three is in a lot of piles.
Speaker 1: You'll see him when they see the ball goes outside
Speaker 1: boat right there. That's the kind of guy. He is,
Speaker 1: always got a nose for the ball. But he's a
Speaker 1: little bit stouter guy, you know. And when you when
Speaker 1: you start talking about a little bit stouter guy, I
Speaker 1: mean he's two hundred and thirty six pounds, could probably
Speaker 1: bulk him up to about two hundred and forty pounds,
Speaker 1: kind of hitchen side. Yeah, he is just all over
Speaker 1: the place and I love what I mean, just physical player.
Speaker 1: And I was laughing with the Raider guys because everybody's
Speaker 1: mocking him to the Raiders at ten and I was like,
Speaker 1: come on, guys, man, yeah, cut us, cut us some slack. Here,
Speaker 1: cut us a little slack and this guy, Yeah, let
Speaker 1: us take somebody else. Well, we'll take this guy off
Speaker 1: your hands. Yeah. You don't think he's getting a nineteen,
Speaker 1: do you? No, I don't don't. But he's not for
Speaker 1: everybody because again, the lack of hythe But when you
Speaker 1: watch the tape, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, when you
Speaker 1: watch the tape, I mean, this guy just he never
Speaker 1: comes off the field and he just will make every
Speaker 1: single tackle right there, filling the gaps. That's just what
Speaker 1: he does. But the thing again with with uh, you know,
Speaker 1: with Griffin, need to play him on off the ball outside,
Speaker 1: let him kind of play a little bit more in
Speaker 1: space and you have on the take on. Okay, so
Speaker 1: how turn us into the Draft show, which is next.
Speaker 1: I know I was gonna say, that's a good highlights
Speaker 1: So Smith though, great job in the real quick Yeah,
Speaker 1: how much did he help himself at the comment like
Speaker 1: did he help Smith around? No? Griffin? Oh Griffin? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yes. The thing that light years I don't know
Speaker 1: if light because I think people saw what he was
Speaker 1: as a player. There's the public perception. Oh, America just
Speaker 1: found out who he is. Yeah, if you watch you
Speaker 1: Seef tape, you know the hell you trust me. I
Speaker 1: mean again, here's a guy we're seeing. I love the
Speaker 1: fact that we can do this now. By the way,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm supposed to be. Yeah, everybody
Speaker 1: in TV, thank you so much for putting us all together.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is what this is, what this guy is.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is a he's a run hit kind
Speaker 1: of a so for scouts, it just kind of solidified
Speaker 1: what they've seen on tape. Oh yeah, but he's probably
Speaker 1: a mid round guy. I ask you this, four three eight,
Speaker 1: you know on the forty that was that was I
Speaker 1: think was one of those he said, Okay, maybe four
Speaker 1: four five, four four eight, but four three eight that's
Speaker 1: a little bit different, a little bit different animal there
Speaker 1: right there. But man, I tell you what a heck
Speaker 1: of a football player. And you have to have a plan.
Speaker 1: You have to have a plan for how you want
Speaker 1: to play him and what you want to do with him.
Speaker 1: I love him too, all right, Well I also love
Speaker 1: don't want to play against him. And well McClay got
Speaker 1: a two year contracted extension, which is nice. I know
Speaker 1: that doesn't guarantee that, you know, every off season we
Speaker 1: won't be talking about him and some GM talk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think that shows that they're willing to continue
Speaker 1: to invest in him, that the decisions he makes as
Speaker 1: far as fame here will pay off for him. I
Speaker 1: think where will is such a benefit to this organization
Speaker 1: is the fact that and I talk about the triangle.
Speaker 1: He understands the triangle. The Joneses are at the top
Speaker 1: of the triangle. The coaches are at one corner, and
Speaker 1: the scouts are the other. Will has generally got two
Speaker 1: groups mad at him, and he's always trying to figure
Speaker 1: out ways. But he's a he's a great administrator. He's
Speaker 1: been a former coach, he's a scout. He understands how
Speaker 1: to work with the Joneses. They trust him. That's what
Speaker 1: you need right there. Somebody sitting in that chair smart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you need somebody sitting in that chair that understand how
Speaker 1: to kind of get all the groups together and be
Speaker 1: how to put the boards together, and how to work
Speaker 1: with free chiefs. Now, he'll admit it, he'll admit it.
Speaker 1: You know, they need to do a little better if
Speaker 1: they're gonna bottom fish in these free agency things. You know,
Speaker 1: if they're gonna bottom fish for some guys and they're
Speaker 1: not going to spend a lot of money, they didn't
Speaker 1: do a bit better job at hitting on those guys.
Speaker 1: That's something the Eagles were able to do last year.
Speaker 1: They hit on some guys like all Sean Jeffrey. You know,
Speaker 1: they got some guys. They made some trades. Yea. Those
Speaker 1: are things that Will is going to have to do
Speaker 1: to kind of get get this roster back the way.
Speaker 1: It's a good roster and it's gotten better because of
Speaker 1: him being in that. A lot of it's drafting and
Speaker 1: what he's done. And Brian said it, like I met
Speaker 1: him when he was the defensive coordinator for the Desperado
Speaker 1: the Arena League and just watching him in that role
Speaker 1: transition in this role, he is, like he said to
Speaker 1: he's such a great communicator. He gets everybody on page
Speaker 1: same page in the war room with that whole draft process.
Speaker 1: But he's also a really good talent evaluator and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys recognize that. And it helps his case too when
Speaker 1: you got the text being interested in him in every
Speaker 1: offseason he's turning down jobs because he loves it here.
Speaker 1: But you know what, the right job will come along
Speaker 1: for him. And as a Cowboy fan, that's what you
Speaker 1: need to be worried about. I don't ever want it too,
Speaker 1: the right job. Oh man, Okay, well, we have to
Speaker 1: take our last break. Great quickly, we'll come back. We'll
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Speaker 1: then we'll get to Rob's Twitter pool and then we
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Speaker 1: You know why Papa John's pizza tastes so great? Guys? First, Rob,
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Speaker 1: We get it now. I think we love them more
Speaker 1: than us. Pictures together their social guy Tay. Do you
Speaker 1: know their social guys? I heard his name was Matt.
Speaker 1: I heard super cool. And you want to trade, say
Speaker 1: we missed you. This is a funny thing, you know.
Speaker 1: This is an inside joke. We'll explain, but we always
Speaker 1: joke about, you know, we talk about these guys almost
Speaker 1: like chess. Pieces is extremely unfair, but in the sense
Speaker 1: like if you were to wake up tomorrow and someone says,
Speaker 1: all right, you've been traded to San Francisco. You start
Speaker 1: later today, Yeah bye, Like we joke about if that
Speaker 1: happened with like myself, Like I got traded with the
Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders social person I have to start at the
Speaker 1: end of the week. Bye guys, Matt Walks. Matt Walks,
Speaker 1: great guy, follows work. Come on the dam gets social
Speaker 1: guy for a long time. That's been fantastic. You think
Speaker 1: that you would get traded for like a couple? Would
Speaker 1: you get traded for like a The value I bring
Speaker 1: would be like a social social guy and then a
Speaker 1: Kent or which oh god, no, no one can do
Speaker 1: Ken's stop. I would get traded with like the social
Speaker 1: person and they're like mel but you would like you.
Speaker 1: You would like all black. You could be like you
Speaker 1: can wear all black all the time and be like
Speaker 1: because it's two very swaggy organizations. I didn't see coach
Speaker 1: Pisaccio this weekend, but good Yeah he was enjoying it,
Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah, good times, good times all around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he came back from the combine. All right, Well we
Speaker 1: hinted at it earlier. Rob your Twitter poll. Yes, the results.
Speaker 1: It is about that free agency based pole. We took
Speaker 1: care of DeMarcus Lawrence signs or none none or none?
Speaker 1: What how many guys were going to sign none or none?
Speaker 1: They got? He lost signed signs stag. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: this is both free agent slash position most important to
Speaker 1: address this offseason now that you've got d Law taken
Speaker 1: care of at least for one year. Yeah, Jonathan Cooper
Speaker 1: slash left guard, Anthony Hitchens slash linebacker, David Irving slash
Speaker 1: defensive end, defensive tackle or LP, you're long snapper. What's
Speaker 1: what's the most not maybe not just the player itself
Speaker 1: because we know how LP won. That was a good Yeah,
Speaker 1: we know how valuable Hitchens is, but the spot itself too.
Speaker 1: Who where do they need to really address in the
Speaker 1: offseason the most? Okay, we including the are we including
Speaker 1: the draft? Is the way to do this? Or it
Speaker 1: has to be with free agents? Well we're talking free agency.
Speaker 1: Focus on free agency, Like, I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: going to go draft along snapper, No, right, but probably not.
Speaker 1: They didn't draft LP. Yeah, they found him on a
Speaker 1: Randy See. This is where this is workout day. This
Speaker 1: is tough because I think you can address take out
Speaker 1: the snapper part, but you could dress the other ones
Speaker 1: through the draft, which yeah, I think the linebacker when
Speaker 1: you can address to the draft, I believe you can
Speaker 1: address the defensive tackle one. That's something I really really
Speaker 1: have liked about this draft, even though we've lost maybe
Speaker 1: lost Maurice Hurst, who was a guy that kind of
Speaker 1: was penciled in here first round talent from Michigan who's
Speaker 1: got a heart condition. Yeah, there's still way to see
Speaker 1: quote to Cleveland Clinic for that significant that is. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that you think you can us the linebacker
Speaker 1: free agency though. I mean they've struggled with free agent linebackers,
Speaker 1: haven't they. Um so they try to trying to go
Speaker 1: back and say they signed Brook So yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean how I mean that how how how many? How
Speaker 1: many times? H how many times have you know they've
Speaker 1: gone in this route of free agency, you know, like
Speaker 1: well bottom fish for a guy, yeah, and then it
Speaker 1: not really worked out. I think of the guy Brinkley,
Speaker 1: Jasper Brinkley. Gosh, yes, remember that Giant. Then he went out,
Speaker 1: Yeah it was with the Giants. Thought well yeah Vikings
Speaker 1: Vikings here Giants. Yeah, we had to pay him like
Speaker 1: a million dollars for the I mean we could just
Speaker 1: look at last year. Yeah, it's there's a lot there's
Speaker 1: teams with a lot of money. Yeah, there's the teams
Speaker 1: with a lot of money there too, and that I'm
Speaker 1: just looking right now just I'm just gonna give you
Speaker 1: an example. The Browns have one hundred and eight million
Speaker 1: dollars in cap space. Jets are next at eighty nine million,
Speaker 1: Colts at seventy two. This is all millions, by the way,
Speaker 1: Buck years sixty nine, forty nine or sixty six, Bears
Speaker 1: at sixty two, Texans at sixty two, Redskins at forty seven.
Speaker 1: Think about that. I mean, there's a lot of teams
Speaker 1: that have money, and there's a lot of teams that
Speaker 1: are their rosters are a little bit talent poor, you know,
Speaker 1: the Brown's roster, Jets roster. I guess my point is
Speaker 1: maybe some guys that you kind of identified as maybe
Speaker 1: some bottom fishing guys are probably gonna get paid. So
Speaker 1: it's gonna take you out of that market. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Dollary cap rose, I think, yeah, ten
Speaker 1: million this year exactly. So that's that's the thing I
Speaker 1: worry about. There's a lot of teams that have I'm
Speaker 1: let me count, there's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
Speaker 1: ten teams that have over forty million dollars in cap space. Well,
Speaker 1: David Irving wins the poll tay forty eight percent. He's
Speaker 1: restricted free agents, so you gotta think if you know,
Speaker 1: they can bring him back pretty easily if they want to,
Speaker 1: which I would imagine they would put the first their
Speaker 1: second round tender on him, probably the second. Yeah, Okay, Hitchens,
Speaker 1: we don't know what his market value might be. They'd
Speaker 1: like to bring him back. Jonathan Cooper left guard one
Speaker 1: way or another. You gotta find a fifth starter. Steven
Speaker 1: Jones talked about that in Indianapolis last week. And you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta think they'd like to get something done with
Speaker 1: LP two. Yeah, they're all important. Ranked ranked? Did you rank?
Speaker 1: Did the fans ranked them? There? They thought Irving first?
Speaker 1: They didn't think Hitchens was first? Then right now, then Hitchens,
Speaker 1: then Cooper, then LP. See. The one guy that I
Speaker 1: think that they might not give it long term contract
Speaker 1: too is David Irving. Yeah, which you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know everybody out there is up in arms like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, David Irving. You gotta he if they
Speaker 1: if they put the second round tender on him. I
Speaker 1: just again don't see them doing a long term deal. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm making them wrong. Out the play it out
Speaker 1: and see what happens. Yeah, I just don't I mean,
Speaker 1: if they really cared a lot about David Irving, I
Speaker 1: think they would put a first round tender on him.
Speaker 1: I just think fans see the potential when he's been
Speaker 1: on the field. He had sure rush in late in
Speaker 1: the year. He had the eight games last year, right mentioned, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he would have been probably he could have caught Lawrence
Speaker 1: and Sacks. Maybe, yeah, played a whole year. No, he
Speaker 1: that's on his own doing, though, see yea his own doing.
Speaker 1: If the suspension costs him a month and he said,
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm I'm I'm ticked off at myself. But
Speaker 1: see that's the thing too about him though. And I
Speaker 1: think Rod Marinell if you ask coach about him that
Speaker 1: he would say, I need him to be more consistent.
Speaker 1: I think you know the consistency thing, you know, I
Speaker 1: just I respect the player and what and how you
Speaker 1: watch him play, because he is he's a very disruptive guy.
Speaker 1: But you know, again, if you're only going to play
Speaker 1: half the season and you know something's gonna happen, that's
Speaker 1: that's a kind of a kind of a tough thing.
Speaker 1: If he could play all sixteen games, he can make
Speaker 1: himself a lot of money. There's no question about that.
Speaker 1: But you look at all those positions that we just
Speaker 1: mentioned and say, if not free agency, you could deep
Speaker 1: enough in the draft, like guard and yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: the guard. The guard, you're gonna have to do. The
Speaker 1: guard win early, and you're probably gonna have to. You
Speaker 1: could probably hit the lineback on day two, but I
Speaker 1: think guard would be have to probably go day one. Maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. If I don't know if
Speaker 1: the best guard is going to be there at fifty,
Speaker 1: I can't guarantee that, but I can guarantee a lot
Speaker 1: of other things. I mean, I think that that there's
Speaker 1: there's plenty of there's plenty of player. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think this this draft really is good on the second day,
Speaker 1: I really do. I think that whether it's a wide
Speaker 1: receiver or a linebacker or you know, I think that
Speaker 1: you can probably grab one of those guys, you know
Speaker 1: for that's about safeties another one you could probably grab
Speaker 1: a guy too. So hopefully they'll take advantage of the
Speaker 1: compensatory picks. I know that Jerry Jones talked about how
Speaker 1: he's going to use those or could use those, told
Speaker 1: me those are a godsend because it gives you some
Speaker 1: flexile it gives you some flexibility. Yeah, you just get
Speaker 1: done what you need to get done with if you
Speaker 1: just sit there. You used to not be able to
Speaker 1: trade those, now you can't. That's that's important. That's awesome. Well, guys,
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