1
00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,120
Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart

2
00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:26,360
Speaker 1: Radio Together Everything So don't do so much. I'm not

3
00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:33,720
Speaker 1: convinced we'll get through it because things are exponentially worse

4
00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,560
Speaker 1: than they were just a couple of weeks ago. Everything

5
00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:44,919
Speaker 1: so fucked, fucked, fucked fu fucked fuck. Was singing everything

6
00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,320
Speaker 1: so dumb dum dum dud dum the other day and

7
00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:55,280
Speaker 1: my boyfriend was like, are you yeah, baby, that's the

8
00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,600
Speaker 1: kind of narcissism we get to do in We're podcast.

9
00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,600
Speaker 1: I hadn't even real what I was doing. I have

10
00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,520
Speaker 1: the horrible videos of us singing the song before in

11
00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,880
Speaker 1: the beautiful videos start the show. In case you guys

12
00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,800
Speaker 1: didn't guess, this is the worst year ever. And it's

13
00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,640
Speaker 1: not a good one. It's not a good one. It's

14
00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,240
Speaker 1: not a good one. Way through. We're doing it. We are,

15
00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,160
Speaker 1: we are doing it. And you know, I found a

16
00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,720
Speaker 1: new coping mechanism that's helping me deal with the worst

17
00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,080
Speaker 1: year ever. Well, you know, one of the things that

18
00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,959
Speaker 1: makes a disaster a traumatic situation harder is feeling like

19
00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,560
Speaker 1: you don't have any agency because you can't actually affect

20
00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,960
Speaker 1: the outcome. And one of the things that makes it

21
00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,759
Speaker 1: hard to feel like you have agency. And the worst

22
00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,399
Speaker 1: year ever is that all of the problems are so

23
00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,440
Speaker 1: big and start at such a high level. So I've

24
00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,880
Speaker 1: been experimenting with just blaming all of the problems this

25
00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:50,240
Speaker 1: year on Cody Johnston specifically, because I can do things

26
00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,120
Speaker 1: like break into Cody's house at night and damage his electronics. Um,

27
00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,480
Speaker 1: and that gives me a feeling of power, which allows

28
00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,480
Speaker 1: me to deal healthily with things like the Corona virus,

29
00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,440
Speaker 1: which is Cody's fault. This is a safe space to

30
00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,920
Speaker 1: share things like that. Cody, do you want to respond?

31
00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:11,839
Speaker 1: How does this make you feel? Um, it's what I expect. Um,

32
00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:16,760
Speaker 1: that's what you deserve, Roberts, what I deserve. I uh,

33
00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, take my lumps, you know, yeah, take responsibility.

34
00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,600
Speaker 1: This is good. We've made some real progress today. So

35
00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,960
Speaker 1: my advice to all of you during this time of

36
00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:30,000
Speaker 1: national trial is to pick a random person that you

37
00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,079
Speaker 1: care about and blame all of the problems this year

38
00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,280
Speaker 1: on them or Cody. You could just choose Cody. Yeah,

39
00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,240
Speaker 1: you don't excoose me too? If it helps, I, you know,

40
00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,120
Speaker 1: any anything I can do to help Robert, you know,

41
00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,560
Speaker 1: feel a little better. For the record, I don't choose

42
00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,680
Speaker 1: in control. Yeah, I don't. Are you going to pick

43
00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,920
Speaker 1: your old landlord? Yeah, my old landlord. Gonna blame him

44
00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:59,239
Speaker 1: for the virus, the virus. Um, let's also blame him

45
00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,239
Speaker 1: for the wild fires, which is the topic for this

46
00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:09,320
Speaker 1: week's episode. He a wildfires, climate change, all that, all

47
00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,440
Speaker 1: that good that, all that good good stuff. Um. But

48
00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to kick things off by talking about the fires.

49
00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:24,960
Speaker 1: Karate chopping things off, Katie. Yeah, yeah, perfect, and actually

50
00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,880
Speaker 1: just doing damage to my monitor. But it felt good, Um, exactly,

51
00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,639
Speaker 1: you feel in control damaging the electronics. So let's talk

52
00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,400
Speaker 1: about wildfires. Uh. We talked a bit about it on

53
00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,640
Speaker 1: even More News last week, But there's more to say,

54
00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,600
Speaker 1: there's more to say, and here we are. Hooray. Um.

55
00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,960
Speaker 1: Nearly ninety fires continue to burn on the West coast

56
00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,600
Speaker 1: for northern Californians. Uh. And people in my hometown of

57
00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,040
Speaker 1: the Bay Area residents have now been dealing with this

58
00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,600
Speaker 1: smoke and destruction for over a month. Um. There's just

59
00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,560
Speaker 1: there's so many fires, there's so many wires. I can't

60
00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,600
Speaker 1: possibly get into all of them. Um. Nearly three dozen

61
00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:10,240
Speaker 1: fires have burned through more than acres in Oregon. Yeah,

62
00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:15,000
Speaker 1: they did and continued at my home. Yeah. Sorry, well

63
00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,200
Speaker 1: I want to hear about that too. But since the

64
00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,960
Speaker 1: start of wildfires in California have burned over three point

65
00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,760
Speaker 1: two million acres of land UH, almost the size of Connecticut.

66
00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,520
Speaker 1: Of the nine major wildfires burning in Washington State, the

67
00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,200
Speaker 1: two largest UM have scorched more than four d twelve

68
00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,120
Speaker 1: thousand acres UH. From what I understand, some of the

69
00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,880
Speaker 1: Washington fires are finally starting to be contained, but not

70
00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:44,520
Speaker 1: before an entire town was destroyed. Several towns UM. Five

71
00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,320
Speaker 1: towns across Oregon have been substantially destroyed as small towns

72
00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:53,400
Speaker 1: in California. UM. It's it's gnarly as we record this.

73
00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,560
Speaker 1: I I just looked on Twitter and I'm seeing that

74
00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,560
Speaker 1: the historic Mount Wilson Observatory here in Los Angeles is

75
00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,000
Speaker 1: in very grave danger. Currently there are flames within five

76
00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,600
Speaker 1: feet of it. UM and the fire spreading fast. Yeah.

77
00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,200
Speaker 1: It's and a personal note, this this one hit hard.

78
00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,640
Speaker 1: It looks like camp stirred event UM, which is this

79
00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:21,040
Speaker 1: historic place in the Angeles National Forest. Um, it looks

80
00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,000
Speaker 1: like it was probably destroyed. I stayed there just a

81
00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:30,320
Speaker 1: few weeks before the pandemic hit. UM. Got it oh yeah, yeah,

82
00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:35,920
Speaker 1: I mean beautiful. It's wild. In Oregon, around five thousand people,

83
00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,040
Speaker 1: or ten percent of the state's population have either been

84
00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:44,360
Speaker 1: evacuated or put under evacuation warning, which is just a

85
00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:49,800
Speaker 1: massive displacement at any time, but especially especially during a pandemic.

86
00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,480
Speaker 1: At least thirty three people have died, but that number

87
00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,080
Speaker 1: is going to go up. So many more people are missing. Officially,

88
00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,880
Speaker 1: twenty two people have been reported missing, but that number

89
00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,039
Speaker 1: is also definitely going up. I've read this terrible story

90
00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:09,000
Speaker 1: today about a kid, this little boy, like thirteen year

91
00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,400
Speaker 1: old boy in California, who separated from his family and

92
00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,640
Speaker 1: his body was found in a burnt out car with

93
00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,280
Speaker 1: his dog on his lap. Just so many stories of

94
00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,359
Speaker 1: people whose homes and businesses are completely destroyed. There's no

95
00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,960
Speaker 1: sign of them anywhere. It's not good. All of this

96
00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,640
Speaker 1: has given the West Coast a pretty impressive news statistic

97
00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,000
Speaker 1: of having the worst air quality in the world. A

98
00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,880
Speaker 1: few days ago, I think Portland exclusively held that honor,

99
00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,760
Speaker 1: but now I think you guys are at number two.

100
00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,359
Speaker 1: That can change. Don't worry, um, it's all very very impressive.

101
00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:43,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what the air quality is like where

102
00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:50,039
Speaker 1: you are. Specifically Robert horrific. Horrific. So I spent a

103
00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,640
Speaker 1: long time, you know, a couple of months, had had

104
00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,760
Speaker 1: an apartment in New Delhi in India, which generally as

105
00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,920
Speaker 1: a rule is the most polluted city in the face

106
00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,200
Speaker 1: of the earth. And it's worse now in Portland, Oregon.

107
00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,400
Speaker 1: And again and like the kind of the New Delhi

108
00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,000
Speaker 1: like metro area when last I checked, there was something

109
00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,880
Speaker 1: like twenty two million residents. Portland's not even a million.

110
00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,120
Speaker 1: I don't think, um, so like the Portland is normally

111
00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,640
Speaker 1: pretty good air quality, um and it it is. It's

112
00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,160
Speaker 1: not just the worst air quality, but like during the

113
00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,760
Speaker 1: worst of this, people in Portland and Salem have had

114
00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,920
Speaker 1: air so bad that if you took all of the

115
00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,400
Speaker 1: pollution in New Delhi and added it to all of

116
00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,760
Speaker 1: the pollution in Beijing and fucking through Singapore in there

117
00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,280
Speaker 1: just for like just for a little bit of like

118
00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,000
Speaker 1: why not, like it still wouldn't be as bad as

119
00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:40,200
Speaker 1: the air quality and sucking Oregon. Like it's it's I

120
00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,160
Speaker 1: I can't exist, like I there's people because again, like

121
00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, there's this protest movement that's been going on

122
00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,440
Speaker 1: for a while. One of the things that has helped

123
00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:49,920
Speaker 1: Oregon a little bit, is that we have such a

124
00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,360
Speaker 1: high percentage of people with high quality gas masks now

125
00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,160
Speaker 1: because of all the tear gas. And I people keep

126
00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,400
Speaker 1: talking about, like I missed the tear gas because like

127
00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,920
Speaker 1: that was not as bad as the fucking as the

128
00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,480
Speaker 1: air is right now, which is just it's horrible out here. Yeah,

129
00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,160
Speaker 1: my friend, everybody I know that lives in Portland or

130
00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,640
Speaker 1: just in the areas having a very hard time. I

131
00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,400
Speaker 1: have a friend with two small children who moved there

132
00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,400
Speaker 1: right before the pandemic um and he has to wear

133
00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,360
Speaker 1: a mask just like make coffee or cook in the kitchen,

134
00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,400
Speaker 1: and they're all huddled into one room for the most

135
00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,120
Speaker 1: of the day because that's where their only air purifier

136
00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,200
Speaker 1: is um or you take the air purifier with you

137
00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,840
Speaker 1: as you go from place to place. And again, this

138
00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,800
Speaker 1: is during a pandemic where we are fighting a virus

139
00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:40,480
Speaker 1: that affects the lungs. We are already seeing hospitalizations for asthma,

140
00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,640
Speaker 1: increased yep um and this and and and for those

141
00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,240
Speaker 1: of you that don't live on the West Coast, I'm

142
00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,000
Speaker 1: sure that you are now seeing the effects of this

143
00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,000
Speaker 1: as well. Because the smoke is drifting everywhere. It's not

144
00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,920
Speaker 1: just the West Coast. It's reaching to Europe. It's reaching

145
00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:59,400
Speaker 1: to Europe. And I read that so casually. Canada, You're welcome, Europe.

146
00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,000
Speaker 1: You're welcome Europe. I'm giving a nice little bit of

147
00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,680
Speaker 1: smoky flavor to your outdoor barbecues that you get to

148
00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,800
Speaker 1: have because you guys more or less dealt with the virus.

149
00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:16,680
Speaker 1: And like, yeah, it's it's so unbelieving. I mean, it's believable. Guy. Look,

150
00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,920
Speaker 1: California always has wildfires. That's a part of it. It's

151
00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,920
Speaker 1: supposed to the environment has wildfires, and and and and

152
00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,800
Speaker 1: this is a tricky not a tricky conversation. People make

153
00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,040
Speaker 1: it tricky. Uh, you know, climate change deniers, you know,

154
00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,520
Speaker 1: pointing to things because yes, fires are important, fires are natural.

155
00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,199
Speaker 1: There is definitely mismanagement of the forest and how we

156
00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,920
Speaker 1: deal with do fire prevention. That's happening. But climate change

157
00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,640
Speaker 1: is absolutely slutely exacerbating things. And Robert's going to talk

158
00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:48,960
Speaker 1: about that in a little bit, but I want to

159
00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,600
Speaker 1: this a little bit. Yeah, no, don't. Don't. You never

160
00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:58,400
Speaker 1: have to apologize you're forgetting excited about for getting excited

161
00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:05,120
Speaker 1: about that. Now, Stea news Um but you know how

162
00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:10,599
Speaker 1: we approach fires and fires season is really important and flawed. Um. Historically,

163
00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,319
Speaker 1: for example, Indigenous people embraced controlled fires. You know, you

164
00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,480
Speaker 1: saw it as a necessary aspect of survival and of

165
00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,880
Speaker 1: honoring the earth. You know, you do a controlled burn

166
00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,720
Speaker 1: to avoid building up kindling for unexpected fires. But oh,

167
00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,640
Speaker 1: I believe it's over about a hundred years ago, at

168
00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:34,520
Speaker 1: least in California, we banned many of these fires as

169
00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:39,040
Speaker 1: part which is all adding to this problem. And and

170
00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,000
Speaker 1: that's its own thing that can be dissected. Um. Now

171
00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:46,880
Speaker 1: we are all talking about reintroducing this, but you know,

172
00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,920
Speaker 1: it's just it's so much to be dealing with now

173
00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:59,000
Speaker 1: with everything else, you know, Um, yes, what do you

174
00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,600
Speaker 1: think is going to be next? Like it's a year

175
00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,880
Speaker 1: of piling on and then piling on other things that

176
00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,240
Speaker 1: pile on the other things, and we're just sort of

177
00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,719
Speaker 1: it's a big old pile. But you know, we got

178
00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,640
Speaker 1: three months left. It's wild because I keep forgetting all

179
00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,640
Speaker 1: of the terrible things. Like I saw. So I went

180
00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,360
Speaker 1: to someone's Twitter page the other day and I I

181
00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,920
Speaker 1: saw one of their tweets. It was from a few

182
00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,640
Speaker 1: weeks ago, a month I don't know, and talking about like,

183
00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,959
Speaker 1: my god, what else? What else is going to happen?

184
00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,600
Speaker 1: And then I was like what was that? And that

185
00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,200
Speaker 1: was Chadwick Boseman, But it was like, like, you can't

186
00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,040
Speaker 1: even keep track of all the horrific things that have

187
00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,480
Speaker 1: been happening. And I want to talk a little bit

188
00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:43,560
Speaker 1: about climate migration. Every year as a resident in California,

189
00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:48,040
Speaker 1: I asked myself, you know, is this place even going

190
00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,760
Speaker 1: to be habitable in the New Yar future? You know,

191
00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not just about the fires, although that

192
00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,760
Speaker 1: is a constant fear for me, my my parents recently

193
00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,679
Speaker 1: moved to the mountains. Um. You know, it's also coastal erosion,

194
00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,520
Speaker 1: extreme temperatures. And of course that's not just here in California.

195
00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:10,120
Speaker 1: Across the nation we face different climate change threats. UM.

196
00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,040
Speaker 1: But it's something that we've alluded to, we've talked about.

197
00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,040
Speaker 1: It's something that we know intellectually is going to be

198
00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,240
Speaker 1: a fallout from climate change sooner or labor um. And

199
00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,800
Speaker 1: it's it's real. It's here. This is from the New

200
00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,880
Speaker 1: York Times quote. Across the United States, some a hundred

201
00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,760
Speaker 1: and sixty two million people nearly one and two will

202
00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,640
Speaker 1: most likely experience decline in the quality of their environment,

203
00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,160
Speaker 1: mainly more heat and less water. For nine million of them,

204
00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:41,559
Speaker 1: the changes could be particularly severe, and by analysis suggests

205
00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,400
Speaker 1: if carbon emissions arise at extreme levels, at least four

206
00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,120
Speaker 1: million Americans could find themselves living at the fringe in

207
00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:52,600
Speaker 1: places decidedly outside the ideal niche for human life. And

208
00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,679
Speaker 1: this is important to think about. I mean, this potential

209
00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:00,319
Speaker 1: future mass migration due to climate change and track GDY

210
00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:05,120
Speaker 1: is going to exacerbate poverty. It will exacerbate income inequality,

211
00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,760
Speaker 1: which will of course exacerbate everything else that goes along

212
00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,280
Speaker 1: with those things you know, like fear and mothering of

213
00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,360
Speaker 1: people in hate. And I say this to also set

214
00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,120
Speaker 1: up this conversation, which is what we're seeing an organ

215
00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,040
Speaker 1: um already. Uh And I'm sure Robert has stuff to

216
00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:28,559
Speaker 1: contribute to this. But people acting in an alarming but

217
00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:34,319
Speaker 1: standard behavior for armed, vigilant armed people, refusing to evacuate

218
00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:42,360
Speaker 1: and establishing checkpoints to put to protect property against potential looters.

219
00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,319
Speaker 1: It's wild. This is coming along with disinformation like the

220
00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,920
Speaker 1: narrative that Intifa is starting those fires in order to

221
00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:53,679
Speaker 1: steal and loot. This is a very very very big problem. Um.

222
00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,600
Speaker 1: I I'm sure that there have been some arrests made,

223
00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,960
Speaker 1: some people probably have stolen things, but the vast majority

224
00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,080
Speaker 1: of people who have been stopped by these little I

225
00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,520
Speaker 1: think we're at two arrests right now for that sort

226
00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:11,040
Speaker 1: of okay, thank you, um or like looting and stuff.

227
00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,520
Speaker 1: But I checked, the vast majority are people that are

228
00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,320
Speaker 1: rushing to retrieve their belongings. And and it's so dangerous

229
00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,200
Speaker 1: in so many ways. I mean, of course, there's the

230
00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,920
Speaker 1: actual physical threat of violence from an angry stranger with

231
00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,920
Speaker 1: a gun, you know, under extreme circumstances. But there are

232
00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,200
Speaker 1: also fires, fast moving fires you don't have time to

233
00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:35,160
Speaker 1: funk around, you know. Um. And yeah, Robert you you,

234
00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, people that have pretty much all of the

235
00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,560
Speaker 1: journalists who were because it was the reason that the

236
00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,360
Speaker 1: story came out as that a group of journalists, um,

237
00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,920
Speaker 1: all of whom I've either worked with, uh, I mean

238
00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,880
Speaker 1: all of whom I've I've worked with pretty closely at

239
00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:54,520
Speaker 1: varying points. Um, We're out filming the evacuations and wound

240
00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,520
Speaker 1: up getting approached by these people. In the specific group

241
00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,600
Speaker 1: of journalists who were out there, none of them were

242
00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,960
Speaker 1: white dudes, right, which I think had impact on kind

243
00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,240
Speaker 1: of why they drew the attention of these guys. And

244
00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,360
Speaker 1: it's kind of a proto checkpoint, right, Like it wasn't

245
00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,640
Speaker 1: sort of a checkpoint in a super organized way, but

246
00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,200
Speaker 1: there were these guys with guns standing out and um

247
00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,840
Speaker 1: checking people. Um, I don't they weren't like kind of

248
00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,640
Speaker 1: comprehensively taking ideas or whatever. But like it's the kind

249
00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,960
Speaker 1: of thing that you know, it's the start of that, um,

250
00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,480
Speaker 1: which is a thing that you know, I've seen. I've

251
00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,800
Speaker 1: seen in a lot of countries. I've experienced them in

252
00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,160
Speaker 1: like Guatemala Um, even in parts of India, in a

253
00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,560
Speaker 1: in Iraq and Syria and Ukraine. Um, it's not something

254
00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say it's not something I expected

255
00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,360
Speaker 1: to see here. But I did a whole podcast about

256
00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,960
Speaker 1: how that could happen here. But it, you know, about

257
00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,200
Speaker 1: twenty minutes away from my house is where all most

258
00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,400
Speaker 1: of this occurred. And in addition to these kind of

259
00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,280
Speaker 1: checkpoints opening up in the you know, which are which

260
00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,960
Speaker 1: are some of them do seem to involve organized militias

261
00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,360
Speaker 1: And there's reports come out from another local journalist that

262
00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:01,760
Speaker 1: they attended and kind of we're not we're not reporting

263
00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,600
Speaker 1: openly on this yet. But they attended like a meeting

264
00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,520
Speaker 1: of some of these militias a couple of weeks ago

265
00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,640
Speaker 1: where they had talked about UM setting up like organizing

266
00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,960
Speaker 1: for something like this, and you know, not just to

267
00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,000
Speaker 1: set up checkpoints potentially for disaster really for whatever, but

268
00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,160
Speaker 1: like is the kind of problem with the police when

269
00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,680
Speaker 1: these groups are kind of based around just armed force

270
00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,480
Speaker 1: that's really all they know how to do. You don't

271
00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,520
Speaker 1: actually see a lot of useful UM disaster response that

272
00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,680
Speaker 1: comes out of this UM. But it's it's what people

273
00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,320
Speaker 1: have been doing. And there's a mix of it that

274
00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,880
Speaker 1: I think is people who have just been propagandized to

275
00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,480
Speaker 1: UM and are afraid and honestly afraid uh some sort

276
00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,640
Speaker 1: of anti piboliament coming for their stuff. But there's also

277
00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,480
Speaker 1: a chunk of folks who are like these are the

278
00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,000
Speaker 1: the fascist right, getting ready for the thing that they

279
00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,720
Speaker 1: think will come for their ability to Yeah, and then

280
00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, the Proud Boys are out in a town

281
00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,320
Speaker 1: called Sandy. The guy that I had a bit, one

282
00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:55,880
Speaker 1: of the guys I had a big standoff with a

283
00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,040
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, Alan Swiney. There's this this this

284
00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,840
Speaker 1: any big dumb like proud boy adjacent fascist UM has

285
00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,520
Speaker 1: been like leading armed patrols around the town of Sandy.

286
00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,679
Speaker 1: They're all staying at this one woman's house who's like

287
00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,800
Speaker 1: taken them in and there they seem to be trying

288
00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,520
Speaker 1: to like turn this this fairly small mountain town into

289
00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,720
Speaker 1: kind of a base of operations, which has some friends

290
00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,840
Speaker 1: of mine in the town say has disrupted a number

291
00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,880
Speaker 1: of things. So it's kind of a frustrating situation all around,

292
00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,040
Speaker 1: and a very potentially very scary one because you've also

293
00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,600
Speaker 1: seen law enforcement getting involved. Um. You know, there's a

294
00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,520
Speaker 1: video that came out of a Clackamus County Sheriff's I

295
00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,040
Speaker 1: think it was a Clackmus County Sheriff's deputy talking to

296
00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,720
Speaker 1: some guys doing a checkpoint like this. Um, I forget

297
00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,719
Speaker 1: exactly which town. I'm not sure it was Phoenix or not,

298
00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,600
Speaker 1: but they he was saying stuff like, uh, you know,

299
00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,760
Speaker 1: he was basically giving them advice on like if they

300
00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,840
Speaker 1: shot somebody, what they should do in order to protect themselves. UM.

301
00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,119
Speaker 1: That could be interpreted as him saying, like throw a

302
00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,199
Speaker 1: knife on the at the dead body or something like that.

303
00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,720
Speaker 1: So it looks like they had like a weapon or

304
00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,399
Speaker 1: something like he was making very questionnable statements and also

305
00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,679
Speaker 1: essentially backing up the idea that there was gangs of

306
00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:10,320
Speaker 1: Antifa outlooting. UM. He's been placed on an administrative leave altogether.

307
00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,560
Speaker 1: Law enforcement in Oregon has had a couple It's been

308
00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:17,359
Speaker 1: weird watching the responses because as these fires started, most

309
00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,920
Speaker 1: of the actual county sheriff's departments and like, like law

310
00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,840
Speaker 1: enforcement in the affected areas was kind of desperately sending

311
00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,240
Speaker 1: out you know, there were a couple like UM in Malala.

312
00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,600
Speaker 1: The police in Malala initially sent out a text message

313
00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,800
Speaker 1: asking people to call them if they saw suspicious individuals

314
00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,360
Speaker 1: or something UM, which was taken as evidence by these

315
00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,720
Speaker 1: folks that like there was some sort of coordinated attack happening,

316
00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,920
Speaker 1: and so people flooded the emergency lines with so many

317
00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,439
Speaker 1: false tips that were usually just like their neighbors doing

318
00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,720
Speaker 1: something that it like made the emergency systems like basically unusable,

319
00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,119
Speaker 1: and so like local Malala police and a bunch of

320
00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,200
Speaker 1: local police started like desperately putting out the message, there's

321
00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,879
Speaker 1: there's no evidence antifas doing anything. We've seen, No, we

322
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,720
Speaker 1: haven't arrested anybody. All of these memes that are spreading

323
00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,720
Speaker 1: our false like please stop doing this, stop calling us

324
00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,160
Speaker 1: about this, Like we can't use any of these systems

325
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,040
Speaker 1: we need to because you're flooding us with so many

326
00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:16,600
Speaker 1: false tips. And it was off. It would often be

327
00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,720
Speaker 1: stuff like people would get caught, you know, would be

328
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,080
Speaker 1: caught doing a quote unquote arson And what it really

329
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,919
Speaker 1: was is somebody perhaps dumbly, like very stupidly attempting to

330
00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,639
Speaker 1: create defensible space around their home by like starting a

331
00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,320
Speaker 1: fire or something like that. Like a lot of suspicious

332
00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,120
Speaker 1: behavior had nothing to do with with any like Antifa ship.

333
00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,440
Speaker 1: But people people in Oregon have been so amped up

334
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,840
Speaker 1: and have been have been so misinformed about what's been

335
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,679
Speaker 1: happening in Portland that like they were just very immediately

336
00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,760
Speaker 1: ready to believe this. And like, so you had this

337
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:53,560
Speaker 1: surreal situation where local reporters, local anti fascist groups, the FBI,

338
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,760
Speaker 1: and a lot of local law enforcement, we're all like

339
00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 1: desperately putting out the same information like Andy No was trying.

340
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,960
Speaker 1: It was it was at one point like trying to

341
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,639
Speaker 1: put out like hey, there's no like this is not

342
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,880
Speaker 1: what antifa does. Because everybody was like the situation got

343
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 1: so fucking out of hands, so quickly. And I think

344
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 1: even the people like Andy who are very dangerous bad

345
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 1: faith fascist actors, were frightened by how quickly this this

346
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,720
Speaker 1: leapt out of their control. Because it happens. Do you

347
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 1: think that he's yeah, looked in and reconsidered. No, what

348
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,920
Speaker 1: does at all? No? I think he'll I think he'll

349
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 1: jump on that bandwagon. I think he just like they're

350
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,920
Speaker 1: they're all human beings, and I think just as a

351
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,880
Speaker 1: human being, if you're if you're modestly aware of what's

352
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,239
Speaker 1: actually going on, you can't not see what happened in

353
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 1: Oregon over this and not be like freaked out because

354
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 1: it's terrifying. Um the so you had this happened, but

355
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 1: you also still have like the Portland police have been

356
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 1: stoking fears of Antifa doing this. They just released a

357
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 1: video or just released an announcement about an arrest of

358
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 1: they caught a seems to have been somebody in a

359
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 1: mental health crisis who was like standing and an like

360
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,719
Speaker 1: standing in like a what McCall it a um median

361
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: lighting grass fires repeatedly until he was arrested and none

362
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 1: of the fire spread. He didn't hurt anybody, and just

363
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 1: like the way that his behavior is actually described, it

364
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 1: seems like somebody who was in some sort of crisis

365
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,719
Speaker 1: like like that. It doesn't seem like he was not.

366
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 1: He was not sneaking around starting fires like he was

367
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 1: behaving being like I'm going to start the fires. Something

368
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,919
Speaker 1: was awry with this person, and they arrested him. And

369
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 1: he had a standard like janitorial like like cleaning solution

370
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 1: bottle with like a wick in the top of it

371
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 1: filled with um accelerant that he was like pouring on

372
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: the grass to light it. And the police referred to

373
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: this as a Molotov cocktail, which number one, you cannot

374
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: make a Molotov cocktail out of plastic. It has to

375
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: be made out of glass. It needs to shatter. That's

376
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: a part of how it functions. Um. Number two. Um,

377
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 1: they did that because they that people would assume that

378
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: this meant that this guy was tied to Antifa. UM

379
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's ship. So you have like these

380
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 1: rural cops who in like and I don't attribute particular

381
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,719
Speaker 1: goodwill to them, but I think they're just freaked out

382
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: about the disinformation and how flooded their systems were trying

383
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 1: to be like, guys, this is not please stop spreading this.

384
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: And you have the Portland police stoking this ship because

385
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 1: they want to get a lot of these kids killed. UM.

386
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 1: So it's this whole it's a tremendously dangerous situation. UM.

387
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: And I should say right now, I've been watching what

388
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,239
Speaker 1: the protest community has done. When these fires hit. One

389
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: of the first things that happened is they stopped doing

390
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: the direct action marches um and instead started doing or

391
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: at least heavily reduced it. There's been a couple but

392
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: nothing like what like, they're not doing the marches that

393
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 1: people were so freaked out about where they were starting

394
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 1: fires because as soon as this hit, people were like, well,

395
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 1: we can't be doing like, we can't be doing fires anymore.

396
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: Like that has to stop for a while because it's dangerous.

397
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 1: And there was even a lot of people who were like, well,

398
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: we should avoid doing what we've been doing because if

399
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,439
Speaker 1: the police come out and do what they tend to do,

400
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 1: which is fire off munitions, they could start a fire

401
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: and it would be you know, even if it's them

402
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: starting the fire. We don't want to risk that. And

403
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 1: instead they've set up like like a really significant scale

404
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: mutual aid like dispensing clothing, dispensing respirators, giving out respirators

405
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: to firefighters when they were like out of respirators, handing

406
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 1: them out to the houseless, trying to like hook people

407
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: up with with you know, food and medical care, providing

408
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 1: things like animal feed and what not to to folks

409
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 1: who have, like are out of their homes. There's been

410
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 1: a ton of different mutual aid projects, you know, this

411
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: this UM, like one of the groups that has been

412
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: providing food at the protests, the Witches, which is like

413
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: it's a collective of witches. UM that provides food, have

414
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: been like traveling around to you know, folks who have

415
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: been evacuating and trying to make sure that like food

416
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: has been distributed to people. There's been this immediate you've

417
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: seen on the left, this immediate switch of the of

418
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 1: these organizations that were engaged in keeping this protest movement alive,

419
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: switching over to providing necessary aid to people affected by

420
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: the wildfires, and not just people who have had to evacuate,

421
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: but like houseless people whose situation has been made even

422
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: more precarious by this UM. And on the right, people

423
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: have been picking up guns and yelling at anyone who's

424
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: not white who drives through their town. Um, so what

425
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: a fun dynamic. That's the situation outsides. Um, we got

426
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: to take a quick at break. That brought to you

427
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: by wildfire. Wildfires? Do you not have enough problems yet?

428
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: Here's a fire. Use promo code, uh, burning hot for

429
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: this product. Use promo code. Oh no, my home and

430
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: everything I've worked forget everything, and we are back a

431
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: so good m Robert. Do you want to talk to

432
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: us about climate change? God? I love climate change. I'm

433
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: a huge fan of climate change. Oh my gosh, let

434
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: me tell you. You You know what I hate is this climate.

435
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: Let's change it. Yeah, let's get rid of the old

436
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: ways of the climate. Yeah, I could use some change.

437
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: Like you remember when the climate wasn't just a wall

438
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: of smoke that encompassed your entire world. That sucks. Yeah,

439
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: that sucked. Yeah, I'm glad we have defeated being outside. Yeah,

440
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: nobody likes the outside. I like having a go bag. Yeah,

441
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: everybody likes having a go bag. That's fun. You get

442
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: to put stuff in it. It's exciting. You can successorise.

443
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: As you think about your family members dying in a fire,

444
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: you think about all you love the most in what

445
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: keepsakes you want to keep to remember them. Yeah, it's

446
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: pretty cool. It's good stuff. You can only five pictures. Okay,

447
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: let's talk about why. Um, I mean, let's see how

448
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: do I want to start this? So there's the question,

449
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: the question, the real, the real question when we talk

450
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: about climate change is not what impact did have on

451
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: these specific fires? Um, because it had a big impact

452
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: on these fires. But it's a question of like, number one,

453
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: do are people seeing that? And our people are do

454
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: people like? Is this getting through to people? Right? Um?

455
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,719
Speaker 1: Is this having any impact on how people perceive the

456
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: immediacy of the issue of climate change? And then number

457
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: two the question that comes after that is can we

458
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: actually do anything? Um? So the answer to the first question, uh,

459
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: is is actually there there's there's reason for optimism. Americans

460
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: attitudes on climate change have been altering rapidly. And I

461
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: would say the thing that this looks most like, if

462
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: I'm if I'm kind of trying to compare it to

463
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: other things I've seen, is sort of the way in which,

464
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: over the last four or five years, the way in

465
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: which American's attitudes on climate change have altered has changed

466
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: in a similar way to the way in which America's

467
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: attitudes on like gay marriage changed from two to two

468
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen. Um, Like you saw a like a like

469
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: a pretty rapid alteration of kind of where the average

470
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: Americans sort of like thoughts on that where And in

471
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: two thousand, ninety percent of Americans said that global climate

472
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: change was a major threat to the well being of

473
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: the United States. Um. And that's over sixty percent this year.

474
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: Um M yeah. Now, opinions amount among Republicans have basically

475
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: not changed. Um, but nine in ten Democrats opinions among Republicans, Yeah, yeah, Um.

476
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: And you know I should state that, like when I

477
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: talk about Republican feelings not really changing, that said Republicans,

478
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: a significant number of them actually do consider climate change

479
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: to be a major threat about. So the numbers haven't

480
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: changed a lot over the course of this last you know,

481
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: nine or ten years. But um, it's not an insignificant

482
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: number of Republicans who consider it a major threat. Um.

483
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: And about forty five percent say it's a minor threat. Um.

484
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: Which you know, I that's not super cause for hope.

485
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: And in general, like American attitudes towards climate change is

486
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: a serious thing to deal with have have moved very

487
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: rapidly in the right direction. Um, so that's not bad, right,

488
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: Like that's not a that's a that's it's something not bad.

489
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: It's not you didn't say a number that was less

490
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: than the number started out as yeah, No, I mean,

491
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: and it's you do have there's other things you have

492
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: to keep in mind, like how well I think the

493
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: overall American situation has improved, the situation among conservatives visa

494
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,959
Speaker 1: the climate change is actually a lot worse than it

495
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: wasn't like the fucking seventies. And he I mean, like

496
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: it's one of the things like Richard Nixon is the

497
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: the president who you know, the e PA was created

498
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: under him and Nixon when he signed the the e

499
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: p A, you know, the act that that made the

500
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: e p A become a thing into law in nineteen seventy. Um,

501
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: he gave a speech where he said, the nineteen seventies

502
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: absolutely must be the years when America pays its debt

503
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: to the past by reclaiming the purity of its air,

504
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: its waters in our living environment. It is literally now

505
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: where never we can no longer afford to consider air

506
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: and water common property, free to be abused by anyone

507
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: without regard to the consequences. Instead, we should begin to

508
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: now treat them as scarce resources which we are no

509
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: more free to contaminate than we are free to throw

510
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: garbage into our neighbor's yard. This requires comprehensive new regulations.

511
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: That was the Republican president in nineteen seventy. We should

512
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: say that some things have gotten worse. Um, and yeah,

513
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: it's it's so, it's it's complicated. Um. The actual like

514
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: the way in which people's attitudes have changed here, Um,

515
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: that was what caused the sort of denial movement, like

516
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: the back yeah, back against all of that. Yeah, doing

517
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: that was like yeah, yeah, and it's you know, I

518
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: read an article on a site called gris that was

519
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: sort of like asking the questions will all of these

520
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: wildfires change people's minds on climate change? And it includes

521
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: some some inspiring statistics and some horrifying ones. So one

522
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: thing that notes is that only fifty two percent of

523
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: people across the country linked climate change to the fires

524
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: in the West Coast, according to a recent poll. Um.

525
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: And it it goes on to note it goes on

526
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: to have some quotes from like they interviewed people in

527
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: like Oregon about their feelings on this um and some

528
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: of those quotes are pretty are a big, old, big

529
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: old fucking bummer. Uh. Quote. In Salem, Oregon, where recent

530
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: blazes caused sky high air pollution, local fitness store owners

531
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: Susan Gallagher said she didn't really think about climate change

532
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: in relation to the wildfires, even as thick ash coated

533
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: the air and roofs of cars. Instead, she was focused

534
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: on her business and the health of her community. We

535
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: just hope and pray for rain and an end to it,

536
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: she said, And we pray for all the people who

537
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: have been directly affected, which is sure. She's a nice lady.

538
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: Why this is a problem, Like this is why we

539
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: have the problem that we have. I feel like there's

540
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: an element of people being especially people that don't want

541
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: to believe in climate change. Like there's a lot going on,

542
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: and I'm just focusing on getting it back to normal

543
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: so I can pretend like things are fine, and we

544
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: all do that to some extent for these sense of

545
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: I think with a lot of people of like for years,

546
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: the quote solution to climate change has been action on

547
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: an individual level, like which doesn't work, which doesn't work,

548
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: and so like it's easier for people to be like

549
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: it's not even that because then I don't have to

550
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: change my behavior, which we shouldn't get that. Like again,

551
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: that doesn't really do anything. Yeah, and there's there's two

552
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: problems here right. One of them is that people need

553
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: to be convinced that individual action is not the solution,

554
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: and we need to collectively force changes from the the

555
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases, the powers that primarily operate

556
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: our system. So, I mean, look about how many of

557
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: our cabinet secretaries we've recently had have an oil and

558
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: gas industry background, Like these are the motherfuckers, and we

559
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: change that industry. I mean, I agree completely with what

560
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: you guys are saying. I know, you should still recycle

561
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: your ship. Well, but there was this this like a

562
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: big article I read recently which is pointing out that

563
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: like actually nine point per center, like the vast majority

564
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: of recycling didn't get recycled. It was it was kind

565
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: of just a giant scam by the oil and gas industry.

566
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, basically all of the plastic you've ever recycled

567
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: wound up in a landfill, initially in China. They're burying

568
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: a lot of it in Oregon. Now, um, there's only

569
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: a couple of kinds of plastic that anybody does anything. Yeah,

570
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: I'll send you the article. It's it's really heartbreaking. But

571
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: it was basically seating my god damn recyclable. Yeah, it

572
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: did not. You can't recycle functionally most plastics in a

573
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: way that makes economic sense. And the primary like the

574
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: the the main people who were pushing plastic recycling were

575
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: oil and gas industry concerns, and they were funding it

576
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: because it allowed them to key people. I am furious.

577
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: It's not furious, not just at the time I've wasted,

578
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: but also just those fucking goals. Yeah, it's this, this

579
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: is how to fix it and look away from us.

580
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: And it's convinced me that I did the right thing

581
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: by just burning all of my plastic, and now I

582
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: have healthy lungs that have been trained by plastic fires

583
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: to deal with our current situation. Exactly. You built it

584
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: up and you've got no flammable plastic around to catch

585
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: fire like kinday, exactly exactly, And so my advice to

586
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: listeners is to take long naps in front of plastic fires.

587
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: It has no negative health consequences. So one of the

588
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: good things that came out of this data that people

589
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: are like this Yale data that showed Americans didn't really

590
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: connect the wildfires to climate change. One of the things

591
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: that was positive about that studies that showed about eight

592
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: percent of Americans report recently changing their opinions on global warming.

593
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: Most became more concerned about the issue. UM. And they

594
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: tended to say that this was as a result of

595
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,479
Speaker 1: experiencing the dangerous like climate change firsthand. So there's some

596
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: there's a growing body of evidence to suggest that UM.

597
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: Being exposed to stuff like this does have an impact

598
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: on what you believe UM and on taking this ship

599
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: seriously UM, which is good and broadly hopeful UM. And

600
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: means that you know, as we continue to suffer more

601
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: effects of climate change, people will continue to take it

602
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: more seriously UM, which you know, can be a hopeful statistic.

603
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: There is, however, a very dire statistics. The big question

604
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: is can we do anything right? Can we unfuncked the

605
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: funck nous at this point? Um? And that is heavily debated.

606
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: You you can find a lot of very credible academics

607
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: and researchers who will say that, you know, yes, if

608
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: we are if we were to take like concerted deliberate

609
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: action now we could avoid we could we could reduce

610
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: our like, we could essentially save a lot of the biosphere. Um.

611
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, the the reality

612
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: seems to be that nothing we can do will stop

613
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 1: the next significant period of time things from getting worse

614
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: for for years, right, no matter what we do, things

615
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: will continue to get worse than they already are for years.

616
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: This is unavoidable. More of what we're experiencing in Oregon

617
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: right now, more massive fires, more of these what we're

618
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: seeing on the East Coast, these enormous hurricane systems. There's

619
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: nothing we can do to stop it. At this point.

620
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: There is nothing that we can do to stop warranting

621
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: a warming trend that will contribute to massive population loss

622
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: among you know, different species. There's nothing we can do

623
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: to stop this because of the way that actually cutting

624
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: greenhouse emissions and how it affects the climate works. Right,

625
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: you think about what it took to get us to

626
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 1: this point. It was like like centuries of increasingly burning

627
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: fossil fuels, you know, coal and all that ship in

628
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: huge quantities. Right, The problems didn't start to become super

629
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: apparent until that had built up to an extent, and

630
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: so things won't get better quickly once we cut, once

631
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: we stop contributing to this stuff. So if we were

632
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: to like right now, with everything that's been reduced emissions

633
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: wise from the coronavirus, we're looking at maybe like a

634
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: in the low single digits decline, like a one or

635
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: two something like that. We we're looking at a very

636
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: small decline um in in greenhouse emissions for this year. UM.

637
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: If we were to have what is broadly considered to

638
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: be like the most that we could reasonably do in

639
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: a short time frame, like a five percent cut in

640
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: in greenhouse gas emissions, if we were to do that today, um,

641
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: it could take decades before those actions would slow the

642
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: rate of the Earth's warning warming like a generation has before. Yeah,

643
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: we see a major problem as a result of this.

644
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: One of the folks that I read talking about this

645
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: was jord sam Set, who's a researcher with the Center

646
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: for International Climate Research in Oslo. UH. He said, quote,

647
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: this is a big ship. We've given a lot of

648
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: speed to a big, heavy system. We have never warmed

649
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: the world like this before, and we have certainly never

650
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: cooled it. Um. And so you know, some of the

651
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: things that we can look forward to is number one.

652
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: Cutting out greenhouse gas emissions means that we will, uh,

653
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: we will have to cut out a asols and some aerosols.

654
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: While they're polluting and they're they're bad for the environment,

655
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: they also reflect sunlight away from the earth and they

656
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: cool things. So if we reduce emissions, that will mean

657
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: reducing aerosols, which will temporarily amplify warming warming, so for

658
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: a period of time, and this this has to bring

659
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 1: me back to UM. One of the things that has

660
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: caused one of the things that has made getting people

661
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: to take warming seriously. But one of the things that's

662
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: made that so hard is that during the odds, right

663
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: during the period of time when we were all busy

664
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: with Cracked, the website we used to work for, you know,

665
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, you know, up until you know, a

666
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, UM, there was an apparent pause

667
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: on the actual on on global warming. And it wasn't

668
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: an actual pause in the problem getting worse. It was

669
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: a pause in the the symptoms of it being visible.

670
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: Because there's you know, a bunch of stuff that affects

671
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: like how much we noticed the world getting warmer and

672
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: heating and stuff like that. So for years the symptoms

673
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: of global warming paused, and at least to the extent

674
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: that like most people were able were like seeing them,

675
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: and that was seized upon by the people who don't

676
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: want any change to happen as evidence that it was

677
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: not a problem, and it made the problem much worse

678
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: because that's part of why there was no push during

679
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: when we had a chance to maybe do something more.

680
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: In the Obama administration, there was very minimal push actually

681
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: going towards forcing some sort of change on this for

682
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: most of Obama's time in office. And it had something

683
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: to do with this this apparent pause. Now, um, there's yeah.

684
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: So this guy boring Sam said he and his colleagues

685
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: did a study where they looked at climb they did

686
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: climate like took climate change models in statistical tests to

687
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 1: try to like determine when a decline in the pace

688
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: of warming might be observable two people after a massive

689
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: cutting emissions. Um. So they found that if emissions were

690
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 1: cut five percent annually starting this year, which is again

691
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: almost impossible in terms of like, I mean, we could

692
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: easily do it, but in terms of like politically as

693
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: something that actually might be a virtually impossible. But if

694
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: we were to do it. If we all got on

695
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: the same page and we we were to deliver a

696
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: five percent cutting emissions starting this year, we would not

697
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: notice the impact of this until cool. Yeah, uh if

698
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: we immiately. So if if tomorrow we all gave up

699
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: our cars um and we were able to completely stop

700
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: all carbon dioxide emissions tomorrow, there would not be observable

701
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: proof of a change until probably around in this day

702
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: and age of misinformation and instagramation, it sounds like that's

703
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: maybe not going to be a thing that we try

704
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah. If people can't believe in climate change

705
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: unless they are actively seeing it happened around them, and

706
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: they certainly aren't going to believe in the solution. Yeah,

707
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: takes almost thirty years, twenty four years to um to

708
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: see any results. So yeah, we're kind of left with

709
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: this situation where this is a problem that, if left untreated,

710
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: will kill everything that we all love. But dealing with

711
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: it properly means trusting in science, it means patience, uh,

712
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: and it means altering our lifestyles for years before we

713
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: notice a benefit to that. All of these are things

714
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: that Americans like we couldn't get the United States of

715
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: America on board to sacrifice and you know, fairly minimal

716
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: comforts by comparison for like six weeks, Like we couldn't

717
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: do that. It's nearly brought us to the brink of

718
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: civil war. Yeah, you're describing things that Americans are incapable

719
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: of doing. Yeah. No, we will, we will, we will

720
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: kill all life on this earth, um, because the alternative

721
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: is thinking about somebody else for for you know, longer

722
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: than the length of a news cycle. So I don't know,

723
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm not optimistic now that said, like, I don't like

724
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 1: to be Like I've been rereading Desert right now, which

725
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: you can if you go to like real I think

726
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: it's read desert dot org you can find it apt

727
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 1: but if you just Google read Desert, it's um. It's

728
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: a free book you can find online that was written

729
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: by UH an anarchist or some anarchists. I don't really

730
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: know who wrote it. But it's about our present situation, um,

731
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: and how kind of fucked it is. And it's about

732
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: sort of the deserts that empires always leave in their wake,

733
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: and like the way is in which um, it's kind

734
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: of it's it's a very doom laden but pragmatic look

735
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: from an anarchist perspective at where we are right now

736
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: in the world, and it's fairly hopeless in terms of

737
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: actually fixing any of these problems. It is not proceeding

738
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: from a standpoint of any of this will get fixed.

739
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: It was proceeding from a standpoint of it will get

740
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: worse than billions of people are going to die. Um.

741
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: And I don't want to be pushing just that, because

742
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: I think that one of the things that kind of

743
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: the doomed calls failed to take into account is the

744
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: thing that everybody fails to take into account when history

745
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: is happening, which is that people make choices regularly which

746
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: are unprecedented and change the course of basically everything. So

747
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: one of the things that I think people should do,

748
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: if you're starting to get completely hopeless about this is

749
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: think about the way everything looked in two thousand fourteen,

750
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: right the way we more or less seemed politics were

751
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: proceeding to most people. The more way it more or

752
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: less like, I think most people had a vague idea

753
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: that like, Okay, we're we're gonna we're getting through some ship.

754
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: Things are might be getting better. Like that's certainly what

755
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: most people thought. Whether or not it was accurate. That's

756
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: part of why that people have been like a lot

757
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: of liberals have been so dismayed by how quickly things

758
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: things seem to have turned around under Donald Trump. And

759
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, things do turn quickly, and people can be

760
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: convinced to take up unprecedented actions. You know, I think

761
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: a lot about, um, the world my grandfather grew into

762
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: where when he was a seventeen year old kid, his

763
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 1: dad had to sit him down at the kitchen table

764
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: and say, like, Garland, we can't feed you anymore. Like

765
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: you need to go make your own way in the world,

766
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: because like we can't take care of you anymore. Like

767
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: this is just like it's the Great Depression. There's a

768
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: bunch of kids here like like we don't have any money,

769
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: Like you need to go do shin. So we like

770
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: hiked to Oklahoma with cornbread in his pockets and joined

771
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: the Works aggress Administration, which is this massive, unprecedented operation

772
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: to employ Americans and to build a huge amount of

773
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: national infrastructure. A lot of the infrastructure we still enjoyed

774
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: a day was made by w p A guys, and um,

775
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: it's not impossible that calamity will breathe something as unprecedented.

776
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: You think about the scale of the war effort, you know,

777
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: of of what what was done in order to get

778
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: this country able to fight the Nazis and the Japanese

779
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: Empire um and that had a lot of negative consequences

780
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: because it also gave birth to this military industrial complex.

781
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: It's part of what's killing the world. But you look

782
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: at what a change it was in the fundamental way

783
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 1: our civilization, our society was organized, almost overnight. We are

784
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: capable of big changes. I mean, I this isn't the

785
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: best example because not everybody's following it, but I'm actually

786
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: struck by just how many people in America are wearing masks,

787
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: and in what it's such a short period of time.

788
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: I know that we focus on all the people that aren't,

789
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: but for example, that is it was unfathomable six months ago,

790
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: unfathomable that I would be walking around in Los Angeles

791
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: and all these influencers just people would be covering their

792
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: faces with masks, you know, But here we are. I

793
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: know it's possible. It's hard to feel like it will happen,

794
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: but I look at what's happening all around us, and

795
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: I think the only thing I can latch onto is

796
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: that maybe this shakes enough people awake start cutting. Yeah, no,

797
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean I think we have to take an ad

798
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: break in a second. But yeah, it's kind of related

799
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: to what we'll be talking about a little bit. But

800
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: just um, human beings are the most innovative and work

801
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: together the most when their backs are like completely against

802
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,479
Speaker 1: the wall. And that's not happening yet and it will

803
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: be eventually, and that's maybe, um, but that's when the thing,

804
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: that's when it comes together. And I think a lot

805
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: of the conservative movement has used that as an excuse

806
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: to not do anything about it, whereas on the other

807
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: side of uh, the spectrum, I think there's a sense

808
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: of like, we should do something now. Uh it's in

809
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: the middle of your in the middle of Independence Day,

810
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: and Jeff Goldblum is like, Hey, this is happening, this

811
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: is gonna they're coming here, we should do something about it.

812
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: You have people who are saying, let's do something about

813
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: it now, because that's how you prevent things um, and

814
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: people saying, no, we're not going to do anything about it,

815
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: and then the disaster actually hits, and then that's when

816
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: people actually have to do something about it. Because in

817
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: the movie, in the movie version. But that's also like

818
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: his story, like human beings are good at surviving. Um, Well,

819
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,479
Speaker 1: this is the question is the question isn't surviving because

820
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: I I've never I'm not really a particular believer in

821
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: the idea that human beings are at much risk of

822
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: exterminating themselves other than you know, in unless one of

823
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: the individual human beings who has the ability to end

824
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: all life decides to do that. And outside of that,

825
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: like I'm not worried about climate change killing all of us.

826
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: I am worried about it leading to billions of deaths

827
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: and suffering on a scale that the Nazis would balk at. Um.

828
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the problem is that, Uh, we

829
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 1: could hit that point, and maybe we'll figure out and

830
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure we would figure out a way to save

831
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: a chunk of the human race and even a chunk

832
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 1: of the world's biodiversity from that disaster. But getting into

833
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: that disaster is the thing I would like to avoid. Um.

834
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: And the question is can we still And the answer is, um,

835
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: depending on if we could. But like that requires it

836
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: requires everybody being on the same page. Yeah, if we

837
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: all got on the same page right now, and we

838
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: were willing to do things like evacuate large chunks of

839
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: the globe and move them into places that were more

840
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: temperate while we engage in like a massive like program

841
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: geared at healing aspects of like the damage that we've done. Yes,

842
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: we could avoid the worst consequences of this. We have

843
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: the resources and the wealth and the technology. But it's

844
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: not impossible. It would require billions of human beings deciding

845
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: that they care about people they've never met. We have

846
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: to take a really quick ad break because we're well

847
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: past that point. We're gonna come back and talk about

848
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: this some more or bogether everything. So don't we're back,

849
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: Like I said, we we be right back. I've been

850
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: here to find podcast upon our face. We might all

851
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: need to head to otter Space. Yeah, at some point

852
00:48:55,160 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: that would be I think. No, I think a few

853
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: guys see that story about Venus. Yeah, Venus has life.

854
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: Let's suck it up, Cody, you want to go to

855
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: Venus and just start spraying CFCs all out in the ox.

856
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: I've got a whole bunch of like spray paint cans

857
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: from the seventies that I've just been waiting to shoot

858
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: out into the atmosphere. Let's go to that Venus life.

859
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: What's what ye? Oh, Venus, you've got life? H not

860
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: for fucking long, buddy, Venus. We're Americans, motherfucker. Shout out

861
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: to Carl Sagan, who uh suggested that there was life

862
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: in the clouds of Venus decades ago. Cody, do you

863
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: want to talk to us about some politics of climate change?

864
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: Not at all. Actually, we're dancing around that territory all right. Well,

865
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: and the episode early, sorry guys, Cody didn't want to

866
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah. Yeah, Well, so it doves tails into

867
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: every single thing that both of you been talking about.

868
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 1: Because that's why we put you last. It's because it's miserable,

869
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: is what it is. Um. And it highlights the impossibility

870
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: of the task ahead of us more than anything. But

871
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: let's try to find some hope. Uh you can, Um,

872
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: all right, that's my task today. Challenge accepted. Fourth, there

873
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: we go. Great. Um. Yeah. Yeah. Gavin Newsom met with

874
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: the President recently and that was fun to watch. That's

875
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: how hopeful. Oh good. Yeah, two people I think are

876
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: both good. Yeah. Shout out to Gavin Newsom for respectfully

877
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: saying to the President, we come from a perspective humbly,

878
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: where we submit the sciences in and observed evidence is

879
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: self evident that climate change is real, and that is

880
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: exacerbating this. And this is kind of this is the

881
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: one side I think of the politics where we now

882
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: just have politicians respectfully doing their thing, but just sort

883
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: of like tweeting the climate change is real. If you

884
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: look at Gavin Newsom's feed, um, it's just climate change.

885
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: Period is period real, over and over and over again.

886
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: And something that I think that is important to understand

887
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: is that now and no, this isn't the polls that

888
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: Robert was talking about. It's like, yeah, Republicans, I think

889
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: you said, um, believe it's like a serious problem. But

890
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: Republican lawmakers, the politicians that these politicians are talking to,

891
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: they know that it's real. They know they've been lying

892
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: about it. They lie. They're not idiots. They wouldn't have

893
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: power if they were idiots, exactly like they're they're smart,

894
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: they understand, they've they've succeeded for decades and decades in

895
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: pretending that they think that it's not real. Um. And

896
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: so I just think that there's some there's that kind

897
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: of approach of like just saying it's real. Uh, it's

898
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: it's seeding ground. To them, it's playing on their field

899
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: that they've laid out. But it's like it's astro turf.

900
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: It's not a it's not a real field. It's fake.

901
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: It's a fake game. Um. And like soccer. Yeah, it's

902
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: a fake soccer type of game. Um. Uh European football. Um.

903
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: And it it's just don't don't say that because they

904
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: know it. It's important to point out to these people

905
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: to their faces that they know that it's real, and

906
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: they well, I would say that the tweets are also

907
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: about people in general accepting it, but I also don't

908
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: know how protect sure. But also yeah, I don't know

909
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: if like the if Governor Knewsome is convincing anybody the

910
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: climate change is real by tweeting climate change is real? Um.

911
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: And because then on the other side, you have, for example,

912
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: a ted cruise type um who uh in response to

913
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: l A and California requesting people like turn off major appliance.

914
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: Isn't your thermostat, um, put your thermostat down, or like

915
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: off use a fan instead, things like that after three

916
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: pm two to help. And his response is that this

917
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: is socialism and it sucks and this is a Biden

918
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: Harris train wreck. It's gonna they're gonna take away your

919
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: power in California. But this is literally something that Texas

920
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: has done. They did it last year. Um, it's not

921
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: a California thing. It's not a socialism thing, it's not

922
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: a lefty thing. It's a thing for the environment. Um.

923
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 1: And just like this is like constant lying and blaming,

924
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: like that's the Dems are, it's their policy failure. Ted

925
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: in your own state, you do it, like to the

926
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: day of him tweeting about this. Uh, they Texas asked

927
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 1: people to turn off their appliances after three pm. Um.

928
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: So it's just it's just rat like and gross and yeah,

929
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: it's the It's the same thing as like Ben Shapiro

930
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: uh in an interview, like when he's actually sitting down

931
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: and having an like having a conversation with a trans person,

932
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: like using their proper pronouns and then making a big

933
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: stink about it because it's not about No, Ben Shapiro

934
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: as a human being, when he's having a conversation with somebody,

935
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: doesn't just randomly start a fight with them over their pronouns.

936
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: Because that's being a giant dick. And you can't just

937
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 1: be a person who has a productive life and treat

938
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: people that way. He makes it into an issue because

939
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: it's profitable to make it into an issue. Fucking Ted

940
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: Cruz has no issue with this policy because it happens

941
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: in his own state and he doesn't complain about it.

942
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: He makes it into an issue because the only way, like,

943
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: because you can make infinite money by doing nothing but

944
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: feeding the culture war. Yes, until the culture were shooting

945
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: war right and talking about like the all the desert stuff,

946
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: and like what we're headed towards, like the water wars,

947
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, people like being displaced kid, you're talking about

948
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: like that is no. At some point down like look

949
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: at that and think how fucking little the culture warship

950
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: actually matters. Does not matter. The reality of the situation

951
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: is that if things keep going in the way that

952
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: they're going, Ted Cruz and Ben Shapiro will both have

953
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: relatives and descendants who die choking um, desperate for water,

954
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: in a kind of agony and desperation that we can't

955
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 1: even conceive of, and we get no pleasure from that.

956
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: That is just a fact. Just the reality will die

957
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: that way too. You might die that way. That's just

958
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: going to happen if we don't do it. Yeah. Yeah,

959
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: it's all so incredibly frustrating. And but I mentioned election

960
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: year because that's what. Do I have faith that Biden

961
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: Harris administration is the answer to this problem? No, I don't.

962
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I think that there's all the

963
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 1: stuff that we've outlined here are all part of the problems.

964
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: You know, there's so much there are big corporations with

965
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: special interests influencing how are our lawmakers and all of

966
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: this stuff that the stuff that's standing in the way

967
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: between real tangible change. But the alternative is accepting defeat. Yeah,

968
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: you know, and even just accepting defeat, it's accepting like

969
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: a reaction to climate change. That's uh the world. Like

970
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: I think accepting defeat isn't the riot phrasing, but you

971
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, But so when you were talking,

972
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: like when you were talking about, um, all the displacement

973
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: and things that are going to happen to people, A

974
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: lot of people are going to suffer greatly, and that

975
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: doesn't need to happen. So along these the sort of

976
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: political conversation you know, in the Covinus in conversation, we

977
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: don't need to talk about sucking Donald Trump anymore because

978
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: we know again, uh, he thinks he thinks climate change

979
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: is real, but he pretends that it isn't because of

980
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: all because he's not going to live that long. And

981
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: I will say, I don't think Donald Trump gives a

982
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: ship that his children might find up a water. Yeah, like,

983
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: of course not which if you were Eric Trump's father,

984
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: would you care about that? No? I I submit to

985
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: you that you would not. I'd have less concern for

986
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: Don Jr. Than Eric. Yeah, but there's there's a hierarchy

987
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: of of not caring of Trump boys that you don't

988
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,479
Speaker 1: care about the suffering of Baron's at the top because

989
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about him, And then I would

990
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: he seems like he hasn't done anything bad yet. Yeah.

991
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: So it's just not a perpetual thing that is going

992
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: to keep happening. Of this denial, Like even like talking

993
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: about Ben Shapiro, his whole stance has been it's not real,

994
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: and then it might be real, but we can't do

995
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: anything about it, and then okay, maybe we can do

996
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: anything about it. But nobody is giving anybody ideas. There

997
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: are no ideas out there. It's just a constant stream

998
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: of different kinds of lies to deny it um In uh,

999
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: the early two thousand's Frank Luntz, he's like a Republican like, uh, well,

1000
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: we call the classic funds move. As a he did

1001
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: a bunch of polls and focus testing and found out

1002
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: that the term climate change was less scary of a

1003
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: term than global warming was. People were saying global warming,

1004
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: So the Republican Party changed to refer to his climate

1005
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: change to make it seem less area. They also, at

1006
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: the same time started the talking point being that like scientists,

1007
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: they want to scare you, and but global warming wasn't working,

1008
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: so they changed it to climate change. And that's their

1009
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: new move. It's the completely opposite of what actually happened.

1010
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: It's all just lies to perpetuate this, but to sort

1011
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: of bring it back, like to Katie, what you're talking about.

1012
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: They will eventually have to, because they do believe that

1013
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: it's real. They're just pretending it's not. At a certain

1014
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: point they will have to. And I can't imagine the

1015
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: world where the modern day Republican Party believes in climate

1016
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: change and proposes what to do about it, because that's

1017
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: when you get like that like that is that is

1018
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: the path to eco fascism, where they look at the

1019
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: problems that that have been laid out by both you

1020
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: and Robert and they say, okay, we can actually sacrifice them.

1021
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: We gotta kill us some brown people. We're gon We're

1022
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: going to all these people in We're gonna do all

1023
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: these things to protect us. Donald Trump requested a permit

1024
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: for his UH golf course in Scotland for a sea wall,

1025
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,959
Speaker 1: and his reasoning was climate change. He wrote it says

1026
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: in the in the permit, it's awesome. It's amazing. They're

1027
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: going to build walls around themselves. And I think everyone

1028
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: else I've pointed to this stupid example from Succession Uh.

1029
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: I think it's the pilot episode. It's one of these

1030
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: rich fox explaining to kids like see baby, when the

1031
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, when when the when waters out, this is

1032
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: going to be a valuable commodity that we own all

1033
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: the property to. We can sell it for this amount

1034
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: of money they know the financial Yeah, and this is

1035
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: why you know, speaking to like climate change being being

1036
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: less frightening than global warming. I actually think neither of

1037
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: the names that that that it's been called during my

1038
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: lifetime is good, and we should refer to it as

1039
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: your children will choke to death on dust that was

1040
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: once a river, and that's what we should refer to

1041
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: it as, and like Republican politicians should say, Look, I

1042
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: don't think that your children choke to death on dust

1043
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: that was once a river is a problem that we

1044
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: need to change our whole lives from, because that would

1045
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: that would be harder to sell. All these scientists were

1046
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: trying to trick you into caring about how your children

1047
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: are to choke themselves to death on I forget the

1048
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,919
Speaker 1: phrase we can we can tighten it, we can tighten

1049
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: it a little bit on a hatment. It's hard. It's

1050
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: one of those things America culturally. I mean, some of

1051
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: this is human nature, but America has its blinders on always.

1052
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: Other countries know about our politics, no learn English or

1053
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: up to date on but we know nothing. We have

1054
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: no curiosity about other things. And I think for a

1055
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: lot of people, you're like, yeah, this Clisse, displacements, in

1056
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: climate change, all this stuff, it's really going to There

1057
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: is a subset of people that accept that this is

1058
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: going to affect other places but not us. Yeah, no,

1059
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: it's here. Yeah, And I my job was to be hopeful.

1060
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: So when I say this, I say, I do you know,

1061
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: I find hope in the fact that public opinion is changing. Um.

1062
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: I hope that this current situation, this fucking, mother fucking

1063
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: piece of shit year, moves people to understand that the

1064
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: worst case can happen. It will continue to happen. We

1065
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: talk about this being the worst year ever, it won't

1066
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: be the worst year ever. This year will look like

1067
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: a dream in five years. Doesn't just end January one. Um,

1068
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: we're living, We're seeing. It's in the sky, you can

1069
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: see it. There have been years, like years, every year

1070
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: there's like, well, the predictions of the scientists didn't come

1071
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: true exactly, and that was that the hiatus or the

1072
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: pause per um also, but also like it's not even

1073
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: like that's not how it's going to happen. It's going

1074
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: to be. It's going to be slow and then it's

1075
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: going to be there, Like it's not going to be

1076
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: like suddenly there's a tidal wave and coming like yeah,

1077
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: it will be you know. I think one of the

1078
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: things that I got to experience recently and I knew

1079
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: this was coming, but it still took me to by

1080
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: surprise when the when the evacuation order started to come

1081
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: in because the county like the event, the county that

1082
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: one of the county like. The evacuation orders were right

1083
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: up to about a mile and a half two miles

1084
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: from my house. People were evacuating their homes like the

1085
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: fires were right on the other side of the county line,

1086
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: or the evacuation zone, which is bigger than the fires,

1087
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: was right on the other side of the county line.

1088
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: We were everyone that I know and care about. Basically

1089
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: was I have I have a bag that I still

1090
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: haven't unpacked. That it's just the things I couldn't bear

1091
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: to see destroyed that I was going to throw in

1092
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: my car with spare water, spare gas, spare food, and

1093
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: some rifles and start driving with the people that I

1094
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: care about in the of avoiding militia checkpoints and getting

1095
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: to somewhere safe. But when we were talking about where

1096
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: we would fucking go, we had no idea because of

1097
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: Malnoma County had evacuated. Number One, the the emergency response

1098
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: systems that the State of Oregon has set up and

1099
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: that the federal government has set up that are capable

1100
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: of responding to disaster in the state of Oregon could

1101
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: not possibly handle an evacuation of that order. It would

1102
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: be a catastrophe, and it would be a catastrophe that

1103
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: there would be no the government has no ability to handle. Um.

1104
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: We were talking about, like what do we do. There's

1105
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: nowhere to go if or if Portland, Oregon is burning down,

1106
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: if the fires get into the city, there's nowhere to

1107
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: flee to. The nearest oceanside town that I was thinking

1108
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: about started evacuating because there were fires on the coast, Like,

1109
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: there's nowhere to go, And that's the feeling that everyone

1110
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: is going to get to know. It will happen next.

1111
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: I think Phoenix, probably pretty soon. I don't think it

1112
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: will happen this summer because it did not happen. Maybe

1113
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: it will. We still have some hot days left peak

1114
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: fire season in California. Yeah, something that will happen to

1115
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: the city of Phoenix, those of you living in around it,

1116
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: is that there's going to be a heat wave where

1117
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: the outdoor temperatures exceed what human beings can survive. We

1118
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: are not far from that now. It will hit and

1119
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: people it will last longer than people expect. It will

1120
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: go on for days and days and days, and people

1121
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: will start dying in such numbers that it renders civilization

1122
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: in that part of Arizona impossible. Um, and it will

1123
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: happen very quickly, and you will feel trapped and you

1124
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: will not be able to get out of that area

1125
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: in your vehicle because your vehicles will not be able

1126
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 1: to operate under the kind of temperatures that you will

1127
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: find yourselves in. That's going to happen to people in Phoenix.

1128
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: Other terrible things like we're going to continue to have

1129
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: these people talking about like this, this, this, these double

1130
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: store like hurricane patterns heating the Southeast being a once

1131
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: in a lifetime thing, it will keep happening, it will

1132
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: get worse. Every future hurricane season is likelier to be

1133
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: worse than this one than it is to be better.

1134
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: And where it isn't it doesn't mean that's stopped. It's coming.

1135
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: I mean we haven't even touched on all the wild

1136
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: weather patterns happening throughout the nations. I mean we're talking

1137
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 1: about was it Idaho? Yeah, record heat waves and then

1138
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: within days covered in snow. Yeah, it's gonna get cooler,

1139
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: It'll cool down. Don't worry about it. You can't stop this.

1140
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: You can't run from this. You can't run from this,

1141
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: all you can do is fight to maintain a survivable

1142
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: world for yourself and the people you care about, and

1143
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: that may mean catching some of the people who are

1144
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: trying to run away to areas where they think they

1145
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: can survive it and dragging them back down to hell

1146
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: with the rest of us and forcing them to choke

1147
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: on the dust that was once our rivers. It's a

1148
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: different kind of armed militia movement. Yeah, so up to

1149
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: that phrase is catchy. Yeah, So I don't know that's

1150
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: where I am, but I I am still focusing on

1151
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: the fact that, Okay, in my lifetime, I might not

1152
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: solve this, but I can do everything in my power

1153
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: to work towards it. I can, you know, we can

1154
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: more and more people coming around, hopefully a lot of them.

1155
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: Now we can elect the best possible choice. Rejoined the

1156
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: Paris Colimate Accords. That that's the kind of ship that's

1157
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: like we're doing something and you're doing nothing nothing. I

1158
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: refused to just accept this. I refused to accept this

1159
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: as Yeah, my advice. I still think if you're you know,

1160
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: voting is not potentially useless. But the best thing you

1161
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: can do right now is go go find the fucking

1162
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: food with not food, not bombs. People go find the

1163
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: fucking the fucking mutual aid collect gives the anarchists, the

1164
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: people who have been like trying to function up to

1165
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: deal with this problem for a while, and the people

1166
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: who have also been trying to take care of their

1167
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: communities while the government increasingly retreats and people bring frozen

1168
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: water bottles out there shout out sport that I've been

1169
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: doing that every heat wave, supporting water, drop l a

1170
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: and dropping stuff encampments. Um, but they're you're right, that's

1171
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: a really to like people who build up communities and

1172
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: people who were just getting guns and building the wall

1173
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: around me, And that's the solution for me. Yeah, don't

1174
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: with nonprofits that are working towards actual solutions. You know

1175
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: there are places you can put your energy that will

1176
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 1: be effective. The the solutions to this problem, the only

1177
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: long term fixes are a fifty fifty mix of developing

1178
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: horizontal structures of care to that that allow us to

1179
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 1: take care of each other in our communities and fucking

1180
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: ship up because a lot of ship needs to be

1181
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: fucked up. And if you don't have this, and if

1182
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: you don't have a good mix of ship fucking up

1183
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: and of radical care, radical community care, radical aid, um

1184
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: and solidarity. If you don't have a good mix of

1185
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: both of those things, then you're not gonna make it

1186
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: through this. Then you're gonna choke to death on the

1187
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: dust that was runs a river. Really coming around, that

1188
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:29,719
Speaker 1: seems like a really nice positive place to leave this.

1189
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,799
Speaker 1: I agree, Katie, and uh, I'm gonna leave you guys

1190
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: with some of some some plugs of our wonderful host.

1191
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: You can follow Katie at Katie Stole on Twitter and Instagram.

1192
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: You can follow the Wonderful Cody at Dr Mr Cody

1193
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram. You can follow the Wonderful Robert

1194
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 1: at I right okay only on Twitter, and you can

1195
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: follow us on Twitter and Instagram at worst your pod,

1196
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: well done, sol y c w C T d O

1197
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: T d t w O A R. It rolls right

1198
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: off the Yeah, it really does. Now it doesn't. It's

1199
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: more like a bunch of pebbles, and you do they

1200
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: still make lives strong. Bracelet's let's get one of those.

1201
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: But with that lives strong, let's let's bring that ship back.

1202
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: All right. Let's end this on our beat disaster theme song,

1203
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: Everything Everything I tried, Worst yeer Ever is a production

1204
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: of I heart Radio. For more podcasts from my heart Radio,

1205
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

1206
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.