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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: In the days before raw milk was being shunned and

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Speaker 2: it was seen as medicine. This idea that if you

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Speaker 2: had a specific ailment, you could be matched to a

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Speaker 2: specific cow that was grazing in a specific field. Tell

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Speaker 2: me more about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, milk was definitely considered a medicine, not of last

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Speaker 3: resort either, oftentimes a first resort for people that were

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Speaker 3: having gastro intestinal illnesses. And doctors were aware of certain

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Speaker 3: types of grass providing certain types of health benefits. For instance,

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Speaker 3: milk from clover fed cows was often prescribed for respiratory illnesses,

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Speaker 3: and milk from cows that on timothy grass that would

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Speaker 3: be more for digestive complaints. And even beyond the types

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Speaker 3: of grass, the certain pastures on certain farms were thought

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Speaker 3: to have certain properties, maybe based on the mineral content

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Speaker 3: that was in the soil. And these are the sorts

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Speaker 3: of peculiarities that you get when you live in harmony

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Speaker 3: with not only your food, but would those who produce

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Speaker 3: your food in such a way that the farmers that

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Speaker 3: were stewarting the cattle that made the milk would were

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Speaker 3: aware of you and your health conditions, and they would

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Speaker 3: often recommend milk from certain cows and certain pastures because

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Speaker 3: they knew that those types of grass or those areas

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Speaker 3: of their farm tended to fare better for a particular condition.

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Speaker 3: And the modern listener will hear that and think that

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Speaker 3: just sounds insane, That sounds so strange, when you know

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Speaker 3: all of our medicines now come from a lab and

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Speaker 3: are made with machines and robots that we can't understand.

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Speaker 3: But this was the way of things back then, and

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Speaker 3: milk went on, just so you know, to become a

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Speaker 3: very very famous cure. They had something they called it

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Speaker 3: the milk cure. And even the world's wealthiest man, which

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Speaker 3: was Rocketfeller, he had gastrointestinal illness that was so bad

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Speaker 3: his weight I believe I'd gotten under one hundred pounds,

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Speaker 3: and he famously offered a million dollars, which is a

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Speaker 3: lot of money back then and still is, offered a

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Speaker 3: million dollars to anyone who could cure him because he

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Speaker 3: was at wits end, and of course had seen every

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Speaker 3: doctor on the planet trying to help him. So finally

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Speaker 3: one doctor came around and said, you need to go

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Speaker 3: on raw milk, and I'm sure that might have seemed

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Speaker 3: odd for someone of his data to have a doctor

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Speaker 3: insists that he used no medicine but essentially cut out

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Speaker 3: all food and go on only raw milk or nearly

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Speaker 3: a month. But that's what Rockefeller did. He trusted him

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Speaker 3: and he did it, and he got better, and in fact,

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Speaker 3: he threw it a party to celebrate where he toasted everyone,

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Speaker 3: not with wine, but with tumblers full of raw on

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Speaker 3: bachelarized milk because he wanted everyone to know that that's

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Speaker 3: what he thought had cured him.

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Speaker 2: That's fascinating. Another famous individual responsible famous for my favorite

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Speaker 2: quote of all time, a great muckraker, journalist, author Upton Sinclair,

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Speaker 2: political activist who famously said or wrote, it is difficult

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Speaker 2: for a man to understand something when his salary depends

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Speaker 2: on his not understanding it. That's often attributed to Mark Twain,

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Speaker 2: but it was Upton Sinclair. He was also cured by

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Speaker 2: raw milk.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Actually the same year he was having his own problems.

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Speaker 3: He had chronic fatigue and he had digestive problems that

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Speaker 4: And so he after.

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Speaker 3: Trying a lot of other things that had failed, went

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Speaker 3: on a raw milk diet.

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Speaker 4: Very strict, and.

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Speaker 3: It was so successful he started.

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Speaker 4: Writing about it.

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Speaker 3: He wrote columns about it, testimonials about it, because he

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Speaker 3: wanted other people to know about it. And these were

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Speaker 3: two very famous men, you know, right at at the

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Speaker 3: same time, nineteen ten eleven twelve, Rockefeller and Upden Sinclair,

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Speaker 3: who found no release from any medicine at the time

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Speaker 3: and found that the only thing that could cure them

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Speaker 3: was raw milk. Now, interestingly, the milk cure had existed

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Speaker 3: for a long time, but this industrialization of cows and

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Speaker 3: lose its popularity because people started noticing that it didn't work.

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Speaker 3: People were complaining that they weren't getting any better on

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Speaker 3: because people didn't realize there was such a stark difference

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Speaker 3: these things. There were I think some twenty five thousand

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Speaker 3: dairies that participated in this, So raw milk was still

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Speaker 3: extremely popular in the nineteen hundreds. It wasn't until after

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Speaker 3: World War Two that, with the invention of electricity and

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Speaker 3: But before then, if you grew up in a rural area,

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Speaker 3: you likely still drank raw milk. It wasn't it wasn't

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Speaker 3: as prevalent as it is today. Nearly everyone grew up

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Speaker 3: on pasteurized milk.

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Speaker 4: Today.

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Speaker 2: You'll hear people sometimes doctors will say and it you know,

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Speaker 2: raw milk or pasteurized milk, may either or, but they'll say,

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Speaker 2: we are the only we humans are the only mammals

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Speaker 2: that drink the milk from other mammals.

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Speaker 4: How do you respond to that? Is that true? As

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Speaker 4: far as I know?

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Speaker 3: As far as I know, yeah, I think of it

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Speaker 3: as an honor. You know, in the western areas of

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Speaker 3: the world, we drink cow milk predominantly. If you go

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Speaker 3: goat milk. If you go to other areas, they might

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Speaker 3: drink reindeer milk or seal milk. I mean, there's all

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Speaker 3: sorts of animals that humans drink their milk from. But

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Speaker 3: I think of it, as you mentioned earlier, a symbiotic relationship,

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Speaker 3: just akin to domestication, and that we have animals that

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Speaker 4: Like dogs or cats or.

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Speaker 3: You know, some people have pigs in their house. But

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Speaker 3: I think of it as an advance. I think of

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Speaker 3: it as a technological advance that allowed humans to asper

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Speaker 3: in a way they never had. I don't imagine humans

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Speaker 3: always drank milk from other animals, but I think they

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Speaker 3: realized the nutritious benefits of it early on. So to

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Speaker 3: suggest that there's something wrong with it because other mammals

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Speaker 3: don't do it, you know, I would say, well, other

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Speaker 3: very horrible argument to sort of make against the case

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Speaker 3: for for raw milk, but it's definitely got health benefits

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Speaker 3: that the closest thing we could come to is an

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Speaker 3: instant receiving, you know, the microbial adjustments their mother may

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Speaker 3: make in the breast milk that they're they're fed as

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Speaker 3: as youngins. So I I think there is something to

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Speaker 3: be gained from drinking other animals milk, particularly in more

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Speaker 3: natural environments where perhaps the cow is your own cow

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Speaker 3: are eating food from the same pastures and the sorts

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Speaker 3: of things. This is a natural state of affairs. Going

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Speaker 3: to the grocery store and buying milk that's essentially the

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Speaker 3: pulled milk of two thousand cows from a dairy farm

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Speaker 4: Miles away is not ideal.

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Speaker 3: This is not what is supposed to be a nutritious system.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a beautiful relationship. I think it's an

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Speaker 3: amazing relationship that animals can provide for us in that way.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a wonderful response to that argument you

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Speaker 2: mentioned mother's milk, breast milk, colostrum. We hear all about

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Speaker 2: all of the importance of colostrum, and that seems to

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Speaker 2: be a big thing these days.

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Speaker 4: People.

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Speaker 2: You know, you can get colostrum. That's is that in

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Speaker 2: raw milk? Colostrum? And is that important? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: It actually just three or four weeks ago, we had

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Speaker 4: Mother gave birth to the calf.

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Speaker 3: We were on a farm and in the overnight the

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Speaker 3: mother had We checked on the mother about twelve thirty

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Speaker 3: and she was definitely getting close.

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Speaker 4: She was holding her tail up.

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Speaker 3: And by morning when we came back in there, the

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Speaker 3: calf was already already out. The mother had cleaned her up.

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Speaker 3: The calf looked like it was a perfect beautiful little animal.

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Speaker 3: And of course the first I don't know milking or

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Speaker 3: two is going to be colostrum. And colostrum is thought

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Speaker 3: of as the most highly nutritious version of milk that

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Speaker 3: exists on the planet. And I think you can sell

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Speaker 3: it if you wanted.

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Speaker 4: To, or if it were legal.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know the legal ramifications of it, but

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Speaker 3: you could sell it for a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of money.

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Speaker 3: The farm we were at, you know, grabbed the colostrum.

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Speaker 3: You know, the calf had drank all that it wanted.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't they weren't taking any from the calf. They

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Speaker 3: took it and did a special run and offered it

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Speaker 3: to me and my wife. And you don't know this

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Speaker 3: about me, Richard, probably, but I am an extremely picky eater.

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Speaker 3: I have probably this ur FID diagnosis. I was the

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Speaker 3: subject of a documentary on Health Channel Discovery Health Channel

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Speaker 4: Ago because I'm such a real eater. Wow. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: a whole.

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Speaker 3: Other topic we can talk about one time sometime.

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Speaker 4: But my wife had it. She drank it.

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Speaker 3: You know, this is warm, straight out of the utter.

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Speaker 3: This is liquid gold. If there ever was anything, this

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Speaker 3: was it. And she said it was difficult to drink.

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Speaker 3: It was not you know, it was not what you

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Speaker 4: But so she just drank it.

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Speaker 3: And this is someone who has not been able to

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Speaker 3: drink dairy at all for a lot of her life

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Speaker 3: and she's found a comfort and raw on pasteurized milk

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Speaker 3: and was really honored that she was offered this clostrum.

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Speaker 4: You know, fresh literally you.

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Speaker 3: Know, seconds out of the mother's utter. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: definitely I think athletes are asking for it. It's got

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Speaker 3: some sort of it's like this elixir of youth type thing,

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Speaker 3: but it's all natural and there's no you know it's

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Speaker 3: not made in a lab, it's made in an animal.

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Speaker 3: But you know you only get it once a cabin.

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Speaker 3: You know, the mother only makes it just in that

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Speaker 3: first sort of day or two for once the cow

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Speaker 3: the cap is born, so very expensive. I'm sure if

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Speaker 3: it were for sale. I don't know if people sell it,

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Speaker 3: but I think there's something to it that people find

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