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Speaker 1: and welcome to the No Dunks Podcast on the Athletic

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Speaker 1: Network Thursday, January twenty third. I'm Jay Skeets and alongside me,

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Speaker 1: To ask you. We got the bear to one Tray

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Speaker 1: As always, email us your NBA questions and your comments

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Speaker 1: to No Dunks at the Athletic dot com. We went

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Speaker 1: stepping on that beach yesterday on Wednesday afternoon. Two of

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Speaker 1: my favorite questions that we tackled one what was the

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Speaker 1: most overrated play in NBA history? Had some fun with

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Speaker 1: that one and what mascot would you least want to

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Speaker 1: get a lap dance from? We sort of came to

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Speaker 1: man when we forgot about I was thinking about after

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Speaker 1: the Son's gorilla. Yeah, he's obviously he's an legend. He's

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Speaker 1: an og he's a legend. But he's a creepy looking mascot.

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Speaker 1: Not sure i'd want a lap dance.

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Speaker 2: Also aggressive, very aggressive guy.

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Speaker 3: He's a gorilla. What do you expect exactly?

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Speaker 1: I don't want to lap dance area. I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: we forgot him when we were talking about it. So

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Speaker 1: go check out that Beach step in podcast. Thanks again

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Speaker 1: to everyone that's sending questions. Keep them coming, all right, guys,

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Speaker 1: obviously lots to talk about, lots of games on and

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Speaker 1: the big one last night. A fascinating debut for you

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Speaker 1: think I was gonna say Zion Wimson, But for Lee

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Speaker 1: Ellis who returned to the basketball or playing pick up quickly? Lee,

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Speaker 1: how to go? You all right out there? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Not too bad? Yeah, not too sore today. I'm waiting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always that second day for me. All right.

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Speaker 3: It's a little lethargic that a little tied this morning,

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Speaker 3: didn't have a great sleep there was coursing through the

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Speaker 1: Yes, Lee's a mighty return to some pickup ball there,

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Speaker 1: But yes, fascinating debut for Zion Williamson. After a sloppy

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Speaker 1: and choppy I guess, first three quarters, Zion caught fire

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Speaker 1: Smoothie King crowd going nuts. He helped turn a double

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Speaker 1: that was a little diappointment. What did everybody think from Zion?

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Speaker 1: Twenty two points eight of eleven shooting, hit all of

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Speaker 1: what'd you think from the kid's ninety year old kids debut?

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Speaker 2: All I can think about is a smoothie with nuts.

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Speaker 2: sounds delicious, yumy. It was very underwhelming the first three quarters. Oh,

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Speaker 2: he looked like he was just feeling it, obviously, and

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Speaker 2: He was just kind of hanging. We didn't see the

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Speaker 2: He hasn't He never did that in school. So it

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Speaker 2: It just left us wanting more. You know, we can't

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Speaker 3: I just thought that considering what was going on, he

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Speaker 1: Won, in a game that they might really need if

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Speaker 1: That is the perplexing part because it's like, I would

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Speaker 4: at least Gentry was rolling with him there. But oh man,

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Speaker 4: I was, by myself foam rolling on the floor after

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Speaker 1: It was that was fun. Yeah. I think what we wanted,

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Speaker 4: What do you think about the tweets that were going

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Speaker 4: around last night, This is the most exciting five minutes

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Speaker 1: That was an exciting time. Yeah. Well yeah, sure this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because it was the game was kind of flat.

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Speaker 3: The Spurs were just kind of taking the fun out

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Speaker 4: It was once he grabbed that rebound in the fourth

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the first three quarters were obviously left wanting

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Speaker 2: ours put it pretty well. He said, the difference between

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Speaker 2: he explodes athletically is almost jarring. It feels kind of

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Speaker 2: like how someone can have a strong accent when speaking,

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Speaker 2: first three quarters like, what is he limited in any way?

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Speaker 2: And he really, I suppose, was just feeling it out

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Speaker 2: that they lost this game is unbelievable. You get seventeen

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Speaker 2: that hasn't given you anything all year, and then you

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Speaker 2: can't get a stop you could. They were a sieve

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Speaker 2: and that's why I bring up to throwing them off

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Speaker 2: like they just they weren't in sanc And the effects

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Speaker 2: sure how it's gonna bode well for him. This was

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Speaker 2: You know, it's just it's just social.

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Speaker 2: But if he's not gonna have a mid range game,

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Speaker 2: But I think that's why their playoff chance or it hurts.

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Speaker 1: So let's switch it up too. If we're not gonna

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Speaker 4: What's you got?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? A little what you got? Guys? More impressive win?

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Speaker 1: You tell me Rockets over the Nuggets or the Raptors

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Speaker 3: They close out games. That's not something the Raptors have

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Speaker 3: But again, I think that symbolizes the mentality right now

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Speaker 1: That guy does have I don't know ice in his veins.

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Speaker 1: He is steady Freddy. It's the perfect nickname.

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Speaker 3: For the Bulls.

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Speaker 1: He would be great for the balls.

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Speaker 3: going in that first half, but still find a way

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Speaker 3: to win. That's what championship teams do, is they make

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Speaker 3: sure they win these games. So very impressive.

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Speaker 2: I'd rather bank on the Raptors and all those guys

436
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Speaker 2: contributing than the Rockets with two guys really contributing offensively.

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Speaker 2: The Raps had six guys score sixteen or more in

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Speaker 2: this game, and you know, plus Andonobu who and score

439
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Speaker 2: all that much. That's their you know, that's they're really

440
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Speaker 2: the heart of that rotation, the heart of their championship rotation.

441
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Speaker 2: All those guys were there, went in that ship. While

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Speaker 2: you know the Rockets, Yeah, they won a game.

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Speaker 1: They snap, they snapped the four game losing streak. They

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Speaker 1: now no one was playing on the Nuggets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's why.

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Speaker 1: I mean they were really shorthanded. No Murray, no Millsap,

447
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Speaker 1: no Gary Haras, Michael Porter Junior and not even a Plumble.

448
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Speaker 1: But but the Rockets in snapping that losing streak, finally

449
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Speaker 1: we talked about it. They had their star guys all

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Speaker 1: play well on the same night, right, I mean, Harden,

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Speaker 1: he listened to the No Dunks podcast and he took

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Speaker 1: Leellis's advice and didn't continue to just jack up threes.

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Speaker 3: In this one.

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Speaker 1: I think he only took six s three point attempts,

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Speaker 1: so he had scored twenty seven on thirteen shots, and

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Speaker 1: Russell was good again twenty eight, sixteen and eight, and

457
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Speaker 1: Eric Gordon had his best game I think of the

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Speaker 1: season two. So I mean, you see that again. It's

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Speaker 1: against a you know, obviously depleted Nuggets team, but when

460
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Speaker 1: those three guys are going, I mean, they're tough out.

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Speaker 1: They scored one hundred and twenty one points.

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Speaker 4: Harden shot a ton of free throws fifteen last night,

463
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Speaker 4: but it only took thirteen shot attempts, So I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that up as what maybe about twenty shot attempts, which

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Speaker 4: is fine because Westbrook was great. I thought it was

466
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Speaker 4: cool that Mike D'Antoni challenged the team said we got

467
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Speaker 4: to be better on the boards, and Westbrook said, I'll

468
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Speaker 4: just go get him. So we did, and that you know,

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Speaker 4: it works. It worked for the Thunder. It was called

470
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Speaker 4: stealing rebounds back then. That's still what it is, but

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Speaker 4: sometimes that's the game plan and it takes a little

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Speaker 4: bit of pressure off Hardin, who has been struggling in

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Speaker 4: the month of January. Westbrook has been playing well and

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Speaker 4: he did a great job of getting to the rim.

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Speaker 4: He shot seven free throws zero three point attempts.

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Speaker 2: It was just a more.

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Speaker 4: Focused Westbrook attack, I thought, and that's why to me,

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Speaker 4: the Rockets win was a little bit better just because

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Speaker 4: they needed it even more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, Westbrook. Again, he just continues to impress with the

482
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Speaker 3: basketball IQ that he's shown recently, almost getting away from

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Speaker 3: those terrible shots that he tends to get himself worked

484
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Speaker 3: up over and that are bad for his team. He

485
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Speaker 3: had one three point attempt in his last game in

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Speaker 3: zero tonight, so well last night, So I think that

487
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Speaker 3: is perhaps seem understanding, like, you know what my strength is,

488
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Speaker 3: using my speed, using my athleticism, getting inside, trying to

489
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Speaker 3: get some better looks and just outbodying some of those

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Speaker 3: opponents that he gets. He's got that little Dirk sort

491
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Speaker 3: of you know, muscles them and then and then floats

492
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Speaker 3: it back from the paint. It's a good shot for Westbrook.

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Speaker 3: So I like to see that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, both these teams we're talking about here, the

495
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Speaker 2: Rockets and the Raptors were on in ESPN graphic during

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Speaker 2: the Spurs Pelicans game, which outlined the longest playoff streaks

497
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Speaker 2: right now currently in the NBA long's playoff appearances streak,

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Speaker 2: which was Spurs, Warriors, Rockets, Raptors in some order there

499
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Speaker 2: Spurs obviously the longest you know since the nineties, and

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Speaker 2: Lee mentioned, you know, they haven't been able to close

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Speaker 2: out games. That hasn't been sort of, that hasn't been

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Speaker 2: them throughout the history of their franchise. But to see

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Speaker 2: them on a graphic where they're, you know, one of

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Speaker 2: the top four or five teams in the NBA in

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Speaker 2: terms of playoff streaks was weird. And the Rockets there too.

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Speaker 2: But the Warriors will be ending obviously, so they're going

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Speaker 2: to move up.

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Speaker 3: Crazy.

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Speaker 1: What I like about, you know, both of these matchups too,

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Speaker 1: that they're that we're dissecting here in what you got

511
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Speaker 1: is their potential first round series. I mean, as of

512
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Speaker 1: today they would be right, I mean, Denver would be

513
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Speaker 1: hosting the Rockets in a four or five matchup and

514
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Speaker 1: the Raptors would be hosting the Sixers in a three

515
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Speaker 1: six matchup. After of today, I mean, they're so bunch together.

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Speaker 1: That'll change by the end of the week. I get

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Speaker 1: all that, but still it's possible these both of these

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Speaker 1: squads meet each other in series, be it in the

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Speaker 1: first round or maybe even a second round. Because they're

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Speaker 1: obviously all good teams when they're at full health. All right,

521
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Speaker 1: our next one here more depressing loss. The Wolves in

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Speaker 1: Chicago or the Kings in Detroit. What you got more depressing?

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Speaker 1: That's a tough one.

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Speaker 4: I'm going with the timber Wolves because it just looks

525
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Speaker 4: so bad for Karl Anthony Towns to have forty a

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Speaker 4: season high. But then Luke Cornett goes for fifteen and

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Speaker 4: Christiana Felicia scores more points than he had the entire

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Speaker 4: season coming into that game.

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Speaker 1: The guy just exactly.

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Speaker 4: Christiana Felicio had nine points coming into the game, had

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Speaker 4: twelve last night. And Towns just does not care.

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Speaker 1: On defense.

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Speaker 4: He is the last guy back on basically every single

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Speaker 4: transition opportunity for the other team. And when Cornett and

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Speaker 4: Felicia are lighting you up, I don't care if you

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Speaker 4: have forty points.

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Speaker 1: That was that's bad.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Wiggins scoreless for a half. He had a

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Speaker 4: nice second half, and I guess he had three in

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Speaker 4: the first half. But yeah, just I guess that's you

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Speaker 4: have the energy to go for twenty two when you

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Speaker 4: do nothing for the first twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Bulls are up nineteen in the first half. Wolves did

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Speaker 1: get back into it, but couldn't close it off and

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Speaker 1: they got killed. Their bench got killed, Yeah, by Chicago's reserves. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That's the real concern for me with the Wolves is

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Speaker 3: Towns has has certainly got to take some blame for

548
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Speaker 3: the season. I know he's been injured a lot, but

549
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Speaker 3: defensively he's not as good as he needs to be.

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Speaker 3: But other than that, I just look at that roster

551
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Speaker 3: and I think, man, that's it's bleak. It really is

552
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Speaker 3: bleak there for Minnesota, and they're going to have a

553
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Speaker 3: huge offseason. I think they have to almost start again.

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Speaker 3: Hold it. It's like playing poker, you know, hold on

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Speaker 3: to Towns, throw the other cards out and get a

556
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Speaker 3: whole new deck, right. It might be honestly, you know,

557
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Speaker 3: it's just they like you look at that roster and think,

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Speaker 3: who on that roster really is gonna be able to

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Speaker 3: improve to the point where it's like a finally Towns

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Speaker 3: has got some support. It's just not there. So that's

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Speaker 3: what that's that's the outlook for me from Minnesota. It's awful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a bad loss, but I actually think

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Speaker 1: the Kings is more depressing. I mean, it was that

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Speaker 1: the Wolves really had a one brutal first quarter. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and then did play all right from there on out,

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Speaker 1: but still not enough. The Kings, I mean, they just

567
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Speaker 1: got embarrassed to the Pistons, who were without Andre Drummond

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Speaker 1: and of course Blake Griffin. Yeah, Reggie Jackson's back, and

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Speaker 1: he played well in limited minutes off the bench. He

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Speaker 1: shot well at Forrestis. The Kings though they couldn't hit

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Speaker 1: a free throw. They got hammered in Detroit like this

572
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Speaker 1: is They're They're so bad the Bolt. These teams stink

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Speaker 1: and I was saying, joking last night that they should

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Speaker 1: merge them together and maybe you'd have an actually decent franchise.

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Speaker 1: But you know, Luke Walton after the game is saying,

576
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Speaker 1: is a simple game. Defend without fouling, make the right

577
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Speaker 1: play and knock down shots early, feel like we didn't

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Speaker 1: do any of those things. No, nope, you did not

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Speaker 1: at all, and you haven't really all season and you're

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Speaker 1: not even fun. And I feel so bad for Kings

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Speaker 1: fans because and I think this is spot on. This

582
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Speaker 1: is from at G Whiz, an editor at Sacktown Royalty,

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Speaker 1: you know, popular King's Block. I saw him tweeting last

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Speaker 1: night after another loss. He writes, I don't think people

585
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Speaker 1: fully appreciate how low the bar is for Kings fans

586
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Speaker 1: to be happy. This is spot on. The Kings were

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Speaker 1: under five hundred and missed the playoffs for the thirteenth

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Speaker 1: year in a row last season, and we he's talking

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Speaker 1: about Kings fans were thrilled because they were at least

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Speaker 1: fun and competitive, and yet the Kings still managed to

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Speaker 1: blow it. It's pathetic. I keep coming back to that word,

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Speaker 1: because that's all it is. They can achieve the lowest

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Speaker 1: standards of success. Not wrong.

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Speaker 2: I can feel what he's feeling. I'm sure you can too, Skeets.

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Speaker 2: As a Raptors fan, you know the a sniff at

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Speaker 2: a playoff run after terrible year after terrible year is

597
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Speaker 2: a beautiful smell, even if it ends up stinky. It's

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Speaker 2: the King. I think the King's situation is a little

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Speaker 2: bit more depressing than the Timberwolves, just because they had

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Speaker 2: should have a little bit more expectations coming into this season,

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Speaker 2: because they had lots of cap room coming into the season,

602
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Speaker 2: they spent it on vets. It looked like they were

603
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Speaker 2: finally ready to make that run. From a thirty nine

604
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Speaker 2: win team last year. There should be no expectations that

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Speaker 2: they're going to fall off from that whatsoever. And they

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Speaker 2: allow season high and one hundred and twenty seven points

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Speaker 2: to the Pistons and sixty three bench points. And when

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Speaker 2: you allow sixty three bench points to a team that's

609
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Speaker 2: under manned, as you said, they don't have their stars,

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Speaker 2: that just says that we're not playing d at all.

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Speaker 2: And so this happened to the Hawks last week too

612
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Speaker 2: against the Pistons as well. It's on Luke Walton. It's

613
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Speaker 2: on Lloyd Pierce really to get these guys working hard.

614
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Speaker 2: And you know, yes he can say that after the game,

615
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Speaker 2: but it really has to be on him, and his

616
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Speaker 2: job has to be in jeopardy going into next season

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Speaker 2: if I don't see a point in change him now.

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00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: But you know they if they keep flaming out like this,

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Speaker 2: how do you keep a guy on?

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Speaker 1: Like I'm like ready, I know it feels maybe premature

621
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Speaker 1: and too early. Still, we're not even at the Ulster break, Like, yeah,

622
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Speaker 1: I know, people are saying we got seven teams vying

623
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: for that final playoff spot in the West, do we?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have no faith in the Kings and

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Speaker 1: the Wolves to do anything here. I'm sure they'll go

626
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: on a little three four game winning streak, but but

627
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they're not going to

628
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Speaker 1: do it. So I'm ready to cross them off like

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Speaker 1: they're They're fifteen and twenty nine, both of them. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're still what five games back or whatever it is

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00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: from the Spurs in the eighth spot. But come on, no,

632
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: you just can have no feeth in these teams.

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00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 3: No, I don't either. And it is accurate though about

634
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 3: the Kings because you look at you know, dearon Fox

635
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 3: and Buddy Healed, and you think, Okay, there's some hope

636
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: and optimism there that these guys might be able to

637
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: sort of string something together, but overall it's just not

638
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 3: working in it. Bagley didn't play last night, and he's

639
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 3: had a season where he's been in and out of

640
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: course with injury. If he can stay healthy and state

641
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 3: on the court, at least, there's some optimism there with

642
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 3: with Sacramento.

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Speaker 1: But not the way they're playing either. Like it's one

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00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 1: thing to you know, okay, sniff the playoffs last year,

645
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: but be enjoyable. That's what That's what sack Down Royalty

646
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: was saying here. It's like, at least they were fun.

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Speaker 1: They were playing with some energy because the pace was going,

648
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: and they're trying to out shoot teams, and yeah, maybe

649
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: they gotta get better on the defensive end to become

650
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: a good team. But this is great. This is the

651
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: exact opposite. They're twenty eighth in pace. They just don't

652
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 1: play with any gusto. I don't know what it's depressing

653
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: it if you're still gonna lose games, lose them in

654
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: style exactly exactly right.

655
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 4: They're gonna be bad, be fun, and it's very strange

656
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 4: considering Luke Walton comes from the Warriors system. When he

657
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 4: was the Lakers coach, they played fast and the success

658
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 4: the Kings had last season was playing fast. They caught

659
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 4: everybody off guard with it, and then for whatever reason

660
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 4: this year they're not able to get it going. Surely

661
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 4: some of that is not having Badley on the court

662
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 4: all the time. He's a really fast guy for a

663
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 4: big guy. Fox obviously can push the pace. He's been

664
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 4: in and out of the lineup. So there are but

665
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 4: you shouldn't be in the bottom five in peace now

666
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 4: even if those guys are messing half the season.

667
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right. So look, depressing losses for both

668
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: of those teams. But congrats to the Pistons and the

669
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: Bulls pulling out the victories. Everyone counts. Every one of

670
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: those counts. All right, Final one here, guys, what was

671
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: more shocking from last night? The Hawks Kaka rallying to

672
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: beat the Clippers here in Atlanta down at the Fortress,

673
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: or the Heat winning their eighth consecutive overtime game. What

674
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: you got more shocking?

675
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 3: I'm going with the Heat to win eight consecutive overtime games.

676
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: I think that's a remarkable achievement to be because they

677
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: were up and they blew a huge lead to the

678
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: Wizards in this game, but then came out and took

679
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: care of it in overtime. I mean, the Clippers were

680
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: on a back to back. Obviously Kawhi decided that's not

681
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 3: his game now. No Tree Young as well for Atlantaks.

682
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 3: But when you're in that situation where the Clippers are like,

683
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: we got our win last night, so we don't really

684
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: care about tonight's game. That's how they've approached the season.

685
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: So I think the fact that the Heat again continue

686
00:29:59,400 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 3: to win at home.

687
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 1: Uh.

688
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 3: Eric Spultra got really pissed off with his players it's.

689
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: He pulled all the starters yea through the third quarter.

690
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 3: That's Popovich move that that almost back fought on it,

691
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: but eventually they got the win. So I think to

692
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: be able to have a perfect eight games in overtime,

693
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: I think that's pretty remarkable. I don't think you would

694
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: have seen anything like that too often in the past.

695
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: No, this is only the second time it's happened. The

696
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: Pistons didn't know two oh three, And this is only

697
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: the second time a team has started out winning eight

698
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: straight playoff games or eight playoff games overtime games to

699
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: start a season. Crazy. Yeah, that's right. I think that's

700
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: more surprising at Leaves right about the Clippers. They like

701
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: to lay an agger to But no Tree Young, no

702
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: Jamarry Parker, no, just no hope you think that the

703
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: Hawks would fall apart, but they fought. And the Clippers

704
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: Lou Williams as a starter this season. Have they won

705
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: a game because he's He's started plenty of games and

706
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: they've either they're either like one in eight when he

707
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: starts or something or eat something to that. Really, Yeah, yeah,

708
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: it's pretty bad. You know, when Beverly's not on the floor,

709
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: he gets the start generally, and Beverly's missed some games. Yeah,

710
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: it's it's bad. And Lou Williams defense is bad. It

711
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: really is. At the end of the game, they're just

712
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: going to Lou Williams guy. Wherever he was. Williams was

713
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: just collapsing. He just he just doesn't have the knack

714
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: of defense. Period. It was an ugly game. But not sure.

715
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.

716
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how the Hawks pulled it out. I yeah,

717
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:34,959
Speaker 2: it's a head scratched.

718
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm going with the Hawks. It's more shocking. Brandon Goodwin

719
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: was the Trey Young in this game, and Trey Young

720
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: was loving it, by the way. You know, it's cool

721
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: to see him cheering on this guy. Goodwin scored nineteen

722
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: points all in the fourth quarter as the Hawks came back.

723
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing, Like you say, the Clippers, Yeah,

724
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: they do put up the eggs every once in a while,

725
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: and they already got there win the night before. But

726
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: like they went on like a twenty to run in

727
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: this game. Early on, it looked like it was like

728
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: gonna be a cakewalk, and then they took their foot

729
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: off the gas and the Hawks, give him credit, fought hard.

730
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: I was nice to see John Collins with his best

731
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: game of the season, monster game from him, and I

732
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: got a goodwin. I mean, that's like the box score

733
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: is so weird to look at from this game because

734
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: it's like Bruno Fernando is starting and Jeff Tigue is

735
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: starting back there with the Hawks. They gotta do something.

736
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 4: I can think about Brandon Goodwin and Jeff Tigue's numbers

737
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 4: because I don't mind having a zero and a double

738
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 4: zero on the same team, but when they play the same.

739
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: Position, you can really throw you off.

740
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 4: I think I heard Goodwin being called Teague a lot

741
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 4: on Sports Center last night, because you assume there's a

742
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 4: Hawk's point guard who's a number zero who's taken over

743
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter.

744
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: More than likely it's gonna be Jeff.

745
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 4: Tigue, you know, takeover Teague as they call him. But

746
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 4: it was Brandon Goodwin and he was balling. But you know,

747
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 4: the Clippers, they can lose as many games as they

748
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 4: want to bad teams and nobody cares.

749
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: That's fine.

750
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're up twenty one in this game, was

751
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: it not? They're huge, yeah, And so then they just

752
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 2: they thought it was over obviously, and Lou Williams gave

753
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: up some points there, ow and six when Lou Williams

754
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: starts this season.

755
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why I also, again think it's more

756
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: shocking that the Hawks came back down the twenty plus

757
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: or whatever it was compared to the Wizards, because the

758
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: Wizards can do that and the Wizards Bradley Beal had

759
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: a one that looked like it was dropping that three

760
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: to tie and it's just bounced out. But the Wizards,

761
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: we know, just you know, there's not a lot of

762
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: defense there, but they can catch fire and then get

763
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: back in games in a hurry, and they did that

764
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: to get back, So maybe less shocking, but yeah, both

765
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 1: wild entertaining games there.

766
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 4: Also shocking was a Lou Williams dunk in the half court,

767
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 4: just a one hander out of nowhere, You kidding me?

768
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't see that one often from Sweet Lou. All right, guys,

769
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: we have some news. According to ESPN's timick Man, the

770
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: Mavericks have touched base with Joki Noah as they search

771
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: for some center depth in the wake of Dwight Powell's

772
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: season ending injury. Now Dallas has concerns about Noah's health

773
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: and is considering several other options, including the G league

774
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: and maybe an overseas player. I remember no I played

775
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: forty two games for the Griose last year. It wasn't bad.

776
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: Came off the bench, gave him a little defense, chipped

777
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: in seven and six. Basically in sixteen and a half minutes,

778
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: What do you guys think about possibly no a test?

779
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: You were like, I don't know if the MAVs really

780
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: will do anything here to try and replace Dwhite Powell,

781
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: but Noa's name coming up here.

782
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I meant more that they're not going to do

783
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: anything crazy like mortgage their future. But I'm surprised Jokim

784
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 2: No's name is entered. Yeah, entered the chat quite certain.

785
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 1: Well why do you said, I mean, didn't the Lakers

786
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: work him out earlier in the season.

787
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was going to be one of the options

788
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: before Dwatah.

789
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 2: Weren't they part of the same workout?

790
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: I think they were his fates was there. I do

791
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: believe maybe maybe he'll be in the mix. I'm a

792
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: little surprised too.

793
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 4: I guess they want him for his defense, and he

794
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 4: was pretty solid defensively for the Grizzlies, and he can

795
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,479
Speaker 4: make plays. But I'm a little surprised because Dwight Powell

796
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 4: is such a role guy, and Noah's not a roll guy,

797
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 4: like he's not going to be flashing to the hoop

798
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 4: and catching alley oops. That's why to me, I wouldn't

799
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 4: be surprised if they take a look overseas at Kenneth

800
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 4: for Reid, that's a role guy, So it's like, what

801
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 4: do you and they need somebody that can play a

802
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 4: little bit of defense, no doubt about it.

803
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: And Fred is definitely undersized and not a big defender.

804
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

805
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 4: He was decent with the Rockets last year playing with

806
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 4: James Harden, a similar type player to Luka dancc so

807
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 4: maybe that makes a little bit more sense, but maybe

808
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 4: you just want the veteranship of a joke him.

809
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: Now.

810
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 3: I'm sort of surprised for Heid isn't back with the

811
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: Rockets because he played well enough I thought last season

812
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 3: with him, and they could use some energy and some

813
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: rebounds there. But I will forever stand for Noah. Yeah,

814
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: I'd love to see him back in the league. And

815
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: you just need to look at his Instagram to see

816
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: what sort of shape he's in. He's looking great? Yeah,

817
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: is he looking great? Following him closely of course, Yeah,

818
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 3: dickety thirteen. He's right stickty thirteen.

819
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: I'm looking over Lee's shoulder. He's looking ripped. Yeah, yeah,

820
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: not Lee, I mean Lee's probably, but Jokim is RiPP Yeah.

821
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: And what's he doing?

822
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: Well, he's doing a dunk here. This is from seven

823
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 3: days ago. But he's got the shirt off. He's looking

824
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: like his Latin Imbrahimovich there looking great. But you know

825
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 3: the thing I like about no when he did play

826
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: in Memphis last season as well, is he wasn't bad.

827
00:35:58,719 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 3: I mean he's no, he wasn't.

828
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: It really wasn't he.

829
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 3: You know, he's gonna defend, you know, he's gonna rebound,

830
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 3: and he's not going to complain about minutes or roll

831
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: or what he does. He's going to go and give

832
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 3: you everything he's got, if it's for two minutes to

833
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 3: night or if it's for ten minutes to night. And

834
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: and offensively, obviously the shot isn't great, but he's a

835
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 3: smart pass. He's got a good basketball like you. So

836
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: I still think there's a you know, I still think

837
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 3: he could find his way onto a team somewhere, and

838
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 3: I think he could be, you know, a valuable guy

839
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 3: to have on your bench in the locker room and

840
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 3: things like that, so but I also love him.

841
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably it's probably coming after the bench And why

842
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: why the heck wouldn't he and kleeber MAXI Kleiber starts,

843
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: I assume as being that role guy. I think kennth

844
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: Free's in the lead because he got four million dollars

845
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: in China. I mean that's just more than he was

846
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: getting here, so he's wanted to make some books.

847
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 1: I know someone that agrees with Lee about Noah playing

848
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: for the mass I John Hollander was couldn't couldn't start

849
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: tweeting about how you know a greater guy he is

850
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: on a team as a vet, and how much you

851
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: know the work he's going to put in and he's

852
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: not gonna be like, yeah, give me my touches and

853
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: stuff like that. He's gonna be a good teammate. So

854
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: maybe it's something the MAVs look at here. Who knows

855
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: we will They would have to create a roster spot,

856
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: it should point out, so it's not like they could

857
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: just go inside. I'm gonna have to cut somebody, so

858
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: decisions to be made. There. A little bit more news here, guys.

859
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: Yesterday the athletics chams tweeted that the Heat forward Derek

860
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: Jones Junior has accepted an invitation to the Dunk Contest

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Speaker 1: at All Star Weekend in Chicago. Jones joins the Lakers

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Speaker 1: Dwight Howard as official Dunk Contest commitment.

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00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 3: So we have two of the.

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Speaker 1: Potential minimum four dunkers. I keep thinking maybe there'll be more.

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Speaker 1: I'm hope bit for six. But Airplane Jones back happy

866
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: about this.

867
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, he just jumped over people the entire time

868
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 4: he was in the Dunk Contest before, so hopefully a

869
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 4: little bit more flavor this time around. Also, so some

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Speaker 4: big dunks. Derek Jones Junior had a couple last night

871
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 4: through down a couple of nice dunkin. Zach Lavine had

872
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 4: an awesome one. Yeah, Aaron Gordon had an awesome one. Yeah,

873
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 4: that's a casting season, baby.

874
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Holding out hope that Zach Lavine and Aaron Gordon

875
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: both want to do this again and go head to

876
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: head again, that that would be a nice little foursome

877
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: right there to start with. Again, maybe there'll be a

878
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: six or fifth or six. But yeah, everybody was thrown

879
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: down last night. Good stuff, And look you said about

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00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: he did just jump over people. Jones Junior when he

881
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: was in it in twenty seventeen. That's true. He did

882
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Speaker 1: a lot of that, but his best dunk was the

883
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Speaker 1: one he didn't probably I think the one where he

884
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: got the little pass off the side of the backboard

885
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: from Booker and he went through the legs and dunked in.

886
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: Just looks so cool. He just looks cool when he jumps.

887
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: He's got a nice long leg, yeah, the super long legs,

888
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: and he kicks him out really far. And he finished

889
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Speaker 1: runner up to Glenn Robinson, the third in that year's contest.

890
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Speaker 1: But he also might have a chip on his shoulder.

891
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: I saw Michael pinatweet earlier this season. Jones told me

892
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: he's never lost a dunk contest, and when I brought

893
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: up the one he did in fact lose, he said, honestly,

894
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: I won that dunk contest in my eyes. All right,

895
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Speaker 1: Jones Junior confident that he didn't lose that twenty seventeen

896
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Speaker 1: dunk contest. But that's good. Hope, he's fired up, wants

897
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Speaker 1: to try and try and win the thing.

898
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 2: That was the Glenn Robinson victory.

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00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: That's right. Also, jumping over all, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: jumping over that that year.

901
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 3: Well, if that's gonna be the trend, then he needs

902
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 3: to get Yuka Pertl out there as his assistant. But

903
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 3: just a dunk on him like you did the other

904
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 3: day where he just threw him down. I mean, why

905
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 3: not mix it up a little bit. They always have

906
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 3: a you always have a help ro out there who's

907
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: from your team. Have an opponent instead. People might enjoy

908
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 3: it a bit more. It's different, hasn't been done before.

909
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: Try and dunk on Nate Robinson then oh wow, okay, yeah,

910
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: but maybe try and bring out like because Derek Jones Jr.

911
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: He's dunked over like four or five people before up

912
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: the ante. Get someone from twenty nine other teams in

913
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: their jerseys and try and dunk over all them. Dunk

914
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: over the league.

915
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 4: Okay, I mean that would actually make me like jumping

916
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 4: over people. Okay, if you can do twenty nine, that

917
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 4: is impressive.

918
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: Let's go to tweet in the.

919
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 2: Night, tweet over the night wow.

920
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 4: Tw While speaking of collaborating in the dunk contest, Our

921
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 4: tweet of the night comes from Tanya Gongouli, who tweets this.

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00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 4: Dwight Howard said he wants to get Kobe Bryant to

923
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 4: be part of his Dunk Contest performance. He hasn't asked

924
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 4: Kobe yet because he said he wants to get fans

925
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 4: behind the idea.

926
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: First sounds like he doesn't want to ask Kobe wants

927
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Speaker 2: are fans?

928
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: Are you behind the idea?

929
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 3: D what You've been so good, everything's been going so smoothly.

930
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 3: Don't just annoy the crap out of Kobe the next month.

931
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 3: You should have done this on the download, just quietly.

932
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 3: The message said, Cob, what do you think about this?

933
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 3: But now Kobe's just gonna get so many tweets and

934
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: messages I do it, do it, do it.

935
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Speaker 1: He's not doing it too. There's no way Kobe Bryan

936
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: is helping Dwight Howard in Dunk Contest lock that in.

937
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: He's not.

938
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: But I'm with you, Lee, this is not the way

939
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: to go about it, for you know, the outside chance on.

940
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: I just I just hope Dwight Howard doesn't ruin all

941
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: of the good will he is. I think it's possible.

942
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 4: We talked about the lack of villains this year that

943
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 4: I mean even Dwight Howard like this was a guy

944
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 4: who was widely despised. Now he has widely liked, and

945
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 4: he's like, but remember when I played with Kobe and

946
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 4: we hated each other, Let's do that again.

947
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: Exciting.

948
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: I just don't think he wants to ask him himself.

949
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: He's getting the fans to try and yeah, and I

950
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 2: thought another interesting part is that he asked the NBA,

951
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: according to Dave mcmanmon, to be in the Dunk Contest.

952
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: The NBA didn't ask Dwight in a report.

953
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: I guess why would they really, They're probably thinking why

954
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: would he want to do it, you know after a

955
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: decade ago?

956
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 2: Or why would we ask you?

957
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: Why even ask him? Because why would he want to

958
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: do it?

959
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: But so, first off, he hassled the NBA to get in,

960
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: and now he's gonna hassle Kobe.

961
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: We're not upset that he's in it, but yeah, this

962
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: Kobe part is a little strange, and again, how he's

963
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: going about it. I also saw like his official, you know,

964
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: Dwight's official announcement that he was going to be going

965
00:41:58,520 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: in the Dunk Contest, and you see it. I think

966
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: he was New York at the NBA store and he

967
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: like came up an elevator and then he dunk. Found

968
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: like a little mini net that was like hanging off

969
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: a clothing rack and then did his like ah mans,

970
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: like Dwight is so much better, like just you know

971
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: when you don't know he's there, zoop and it's it's

972
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 1: sort of cringe worthy about it. But hopefully he puts

973
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: on a show. And it is a good start that

974
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: we had Dwight and Derek Jones Jr. And again, I

975
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: hope we get Zach and Aaron Gordon. That'd be awesome.

976
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: Just no drones, no drones and no drugs zone. All right,

977
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Speaker 1: I took the Spurs. Pelicans were favored by three and

1002
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1003
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Speaker 1: You're nine and six. Two games separate us all love it?

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Speaker 1: What's our game tonight?

1008
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Speaker 2: First half of the TNT doubleheader? The Lakers at the

1009
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: Nets in Brooklyn. Lakers hanging out in New York as

1010
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: they played in MSG yesterday. So they're running back to back.

1011
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis starting to look like himself his second game

1012
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: back from his butt injury, scored twenty eight, looking good.

1013
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: Kyrie Irving missed the last game for the Nets, but

1014
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: he's probable here to play up against his old bud,

1015
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 2: Lebron James.

1016
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Speaker 1: What's the lie Bud.

1017
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: It's a tight one. I think it's a tight one

1018
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: because I think the Lakers would be favored more than

1019
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: five by five and a half points. It's five and

1020
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 2: a half, Lakers favored by five and a half.

1021
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: We think Kyrie is playing. That probably makes sense T

1022
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: and T game going against bron Ron.

1023
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough Lebron. Speaking of Kobe, Lebron's forty four

1024
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: points behind Kobe for third on the all time scoring

1025
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Speaker 2: list as well. I'm not gonna get there tonights, most likely,

1026
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: but he's got in why not?

1027
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: Why not? Couldn't go for forty five?

1028
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: The line on that, I think I think Lebron had

1029
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: some fun in New York yesterday.

1030
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what that's what's partying. That's where my mind

1031
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: goes too.

1032
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: I'm taking and NAT's I don't know why. They've been

1033
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: playing some tough teams lately, although they have lost four

1034
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: games in a row very good teams. Give me.

1035
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, they played the Jazz, they played the Sixers twice,

1036
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: and then the Bucks, and three of those games were

1037
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: at home. I haven't kept a lot of them close, though. No,

1038
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: I'm going Lakers. I'm going Lakers.

1039
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gone Likes. It's a back to back, but

1040
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: it's not one of those travel back to backs.

1041
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like but tass is right, it's in

1042
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: New York.

1043
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 3: I'm headed today. He's actually for the Lakers.

1044
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 1: Twenty three and one against teams under five hundred.

1045
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 2: But that's true.

1046
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: They don't got to win by just one point, right, right,

1047
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, give me the Lakers.

1048
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 2: And did you lead? Did you read Mike Vorkanoff's article

1049
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: on The Athletic about how it's the commute is so

1050
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: hard for yes, next players out there? This is this

1051
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: is tough to travel all the way from Manhattan to

1052
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: Brooklyn hard.

1053
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a road game. Yeah, I mean that's

1054
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 3: the beauty and the poison. I guess of living in

1055
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Speaker 3: New York City. You know, like, you know, you need

1056
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Speaker 3: two houses, one in Westchester I think is where they practice,

1057
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Speaker 3: and then an apartment downtown. Yeah, some of them, can

1058
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Speaker 3: I mean not all of them, not all of them

1059
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Speaker 3: those apartments. I mean, you're going to pay a finder's

1060
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Speaker 3: fee in New York for someone who pays. And also,

1061
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Speaker 3: I think you're Buddy Grisha and my mate Foxy when

1062
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Speaker 3: they rent the apartments there, they had to pay the

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Speaker 3: entire year up front, so you know, and if you

1064
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Speaker 3: if you're a baller, you don't want like just some

1065
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Speaker 3: little cheap apartment. You want something pretty flashy.

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Speaker 1: Your name's Foxy, you gonna have a sexy down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, slipped it in there. You're going in New York.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to be insufferable when I get back

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Speaker 1: on Monday. I'm going to New York and I'm going

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Speaker 1: to Madison Square to watch the raptor is that Knicks game?

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Speaker 1: Have you been to Madicins Square? Good? Yes, it is

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Speaker 1: the greatest place to watch a basketball game. Wah, it

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Speaker 1: is that. It's the mecca. Actually I don't have tickets yet,

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00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: so I gotta make that happen. I gotta get on

1075
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Speaker 1: the game time app. Watch those prices plummet right at

1076
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: the end.

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Speaker 3: To hit up the Knicks man work for me.

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Speaker 1: But you said you work for. You said your guy

1079
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Speaker 1: left the next game.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you've got a guy there.

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Speaker 1: No. I also I do not do not like you know,

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00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: if you were to get tickets from the Knicks, but

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00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm going as a Raptors fan. That's disrespectful. You can't

1084
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: do that.

1085
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 3: It's like Elaine Venice wearing the Baltimore hat.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, that's exactly right. Good call back there lately.

1087
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Speaker 1: But yes, I'm off to New York this weekend. Should

1088
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: be fine. But we got a drop podcast tomorrow. I

1089
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: should throw this out there because I don't think we've

1090
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: mentioned it yet, and I see a lot of podcasters

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00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: and a lot of writers picking their all star reserves,

1092
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: like making their all star rosters. We talked about our starters,

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00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: and we're gonna find those out tonight prior to those

1094
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: TNT games. I think at seven o'clock on T and

1095
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: T we'll find out the starters. We're gonna get those,

1096
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: take those in, consume those, and then we'll make our

1097
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: reserve picks next Tuesday. Is that right? I think we

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00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: locked that in for next Tuesday. We've been waiting. It's like,

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00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: what's the rush, guys? So you know, there's so much

1100
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: more to talk about let it Breathe. Yeah, data points,

1101
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: but I know people love that. I love that. I

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Speaker 1: love debating our all Star picks with each other. So

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00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: we will have a special podcast where we just do

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00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 1: just that again. I think we're gonna try and record

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Speaker 1: that on Tuesday, So keep an eye and an ear

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Speaker 1: out for that. All right, Clipper bro, you heard it

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Speaker 1: here first, have a great time, turn up.

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Speaker 2: Love you guys awesome, thanks for joining us. And remember

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Speaker 2: Lebron James must love Elaine Bennis because he also once.

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Speaker 2: We're a Yankees cap to an Indians game.

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Speaker 1: Embrace the day, people, every day and be happy every minute.

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Speaker 1: It's been so long that you're the one waiting for.

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Speaker 2: It happened already. It's going to be grippy.