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It's the Herd 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: wherever you may be, however you may be listening. 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 3: Thanks for man to have to fart of your day. 12 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: Huge fight tomorrow, Max Holloway, Dustin Fourier in the UFC, 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: Dana White running Little Lady. He'll join us in about 14 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: ten twelve fifteen minutes. So one of the fascinating stories. 15 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,319 Speaker 1: And Jack, you and I talked about this yesterday. If 16 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes was not playing on a Thursday night football 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: game and they went to a backup, it changes our 18 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 1: viewing habits and I feel and I've always I thought 19 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: about golf. Tiger Woods got me to a TV Phil Mickelson. 20 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: If I wake up on the Saturday night, I go 21 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: to bed, and Phil Mickelson is two shots out of 22 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: the lead at Augusta or a US Open or the 23 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: British Open. I'm watching all day Sunday. So Rory McElroy 24 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: to me, I think Deshambo's got that feeling. Brooks Koepka 25 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,919 Speaker 1: about three years ago had it. He's been off. Dustin 26 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: Johnson has a little bit of that to me, but Rory, 27 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: to me, really has it. If Rory is close to 28 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: the lead, and right now he's three under after two 29 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: rounds at the Open, British Open in Northern Ireland, five 30 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: strokes off the lead, so he's got a viable shot. 31 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: And you know, the media J mack has been sort 32 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: of confused with Rory McElroy and so they don't they 33 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: don't quite know what to make of him. And you know, 34 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: I've thought a lot about this because I love Rory 35 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: McElroy and I think a lot. I thought he was 36 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: going to be a Europe's version of Tiger Woods. He 37 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: hasn't quite become that, but he's a great, great golfer. 38 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: But I want to talk about this, And so doesn't 39 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: a matter if you're a CEO, a politician or a 40 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: top athlete, you're gonna get annoyed with the media. At 41 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: some point because they ask a lot of dumb questions 42 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of times they're prying. And the truth is, 43 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: after sixteen tries and Augusta, he won on the seventeenth 44 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: visit to the Masters, and it was incredibly emotional for 45 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: me as a viewer. Can you imagine what it was 46 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: like to him? And so he was really honest about it. 47 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: He just said, listen, I don't I don't feel like 48 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: hitting the golf balls and getting up and grinding out 49 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: workouts because after I won the Masters, which was his 50 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: sole vision. 51 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 3: I mean, that's the thing. 52 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: He just at this point, when you're great in the 53 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: PGA over the last you know, the Tiger Woods era, 54 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: you pick your spots. 55 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 4: You don't need to. 56 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: I mean, some guys left the tour. You made golf 57 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: seven tournaments a year that you really deeply care about. 58 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: So he wins Augusta and it was an incredibly emotional 59 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: for the gallery, for me, for you, for the media. 60 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: What do you think it's like for him? And he 61 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: was totally honest with the media and they didn't know 62 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: what to do with it. He was getting kind of grumpy. 63 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: Well that's because he wanted to take time off and 64 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: his next hyper uber focus went to this at Portish, 65 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: which is his home course, and so I think that's 66 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: just what golf is, and I think this was why 67 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: politicians and top athletes and CEOs now you shouldn't go 68 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: to a Cold Play concert and fool around with the 69 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: HR lady. But the point being is, you know you 70 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: sometimes the media has a right to pry and call 71 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: you out. But my point is, I just think Rory McElroy, 72 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: it's like, listen, man, I'm not it's not It's not 73 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: about volume, it's about quality. I want to play the Masters. 74 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: I want it now. I want to get to Northern Ireland, 75 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: my home course. So right now he's minus three after 76 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: two days, five back, very viable going into Saturday, and 77 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: here's Rory today. 78 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 5: I'm excited for the opportunity. I didn't have that opportunity 79 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 5: six years ago. So you know, to play an extra 80 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 5: two days in this atmosphere, in front of these crowds, 81 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 5: you know, I'm I'm very excited for that and I 82 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 5: feel like my game's definitely good enough to make a runa. 83 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 5: It was twenty years ago that I played the North 84 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 5: of Ireland here, and never in my wildest dreams that 85 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 5: I think that I'd becoming back as a Grand Slam 86 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 5: champion with the support of a nation behind me, trying 87 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 5: to win an Open championship. 88 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is going to be if. 89 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: I mean, we're not I guess in our space, we're 90 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: not supposed to root for people. I'm totally rooting for 91 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: Rory McElroy this weekend. I'm watching the tournament with one 92 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: agenda pulling emotionally. I'm not overly religious. I'm rooting for 93 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: Rory McElroy to just be alive Sunday with an hour 94 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: and a half, eight holes to go, nine holes to go. 95 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: Because I thought Augusta was as good at till I 96 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: said it at the time, that was the best six 97 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: hours of TV I had watched in succession in a 98 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: long time. I mean, you had to go back to 99 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,679 Speaker 1: Tiger against rock O Mediate at the US Open, maybe 100 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: Tiger's last US Open Masters win. Phil Mickelson had a 101 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: Master's win that was pretty remarkable. But I'm pulling Ferrari. 102 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: So we talked about this yesterday on the show. As 103 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: I said, I don't think in my lifetime there has 104 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: ever been a division in football that's has stacked in 105 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: coaching as the AFC West this year. So this will 106 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: be the first division in the history of the NFL 107 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: that has had three plus head coaches that have won 108 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl and a fourth that's made a Super 109 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: Bowl entering a season. And it's the only division in 110 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: football where every head coach in the division has either 111 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: entered a season having won a Super Bowl or won 112 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: a national championship. So usually you have one elite coach 113 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: in a division and one is sending one, and then 114 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: one who's you know, maybe a retread, but he's okay's 115 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: on the brink, and then one that's a total whiff. 116 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: Here's Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh, and whatever you 117 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: think of Pete Carroll, And my take on Pete Carroll is, 118 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: whatever you think of Mike Tomlin, you have to think 119 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: the same of Pete Carroll because of the same coach. 120 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: They've got a trophy, great motivators, great energy, really good 121 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: sense of personnel, great culture builders, and defensive guys who 122 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: I think sometimes can be a little tone death to 123 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: the offensive line in the offensive sensibility. You know, I 124 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: wish Pete didn't love Geno Smith as much as he 125 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: loves Geno Smith. 126 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 3: But whatever. 127 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: Also in this division, j Mack. Before you throw out 128 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: your all time you know, coaching division, here's something else 129 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: to consider. The best coordinator in football is in this division, Spags. 130 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: Jesse Minter took the thirty second ranked defense to number 131 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: one in a season. So he's a top five or 132 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: six cordiner, Chip Kelly. So you know we not only 133 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: have historical truths with his coaching staff, and he had. 134 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: If Pete Carroll's viewed as four, I'm sorry that's he is. 135 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin trophies multiple Super Bowls, defense, culture, energy, beloved 136 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: by most of his players. So your argument is the 137 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs, Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson and Buddy Ryan. 138 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 6: Yes, so the only problem with Buddy Ryan obviously he 139 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 6: had a bunch of issues there on the sideline. He 140 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 6: was a much better defensive coordinator, yes, than he was 141 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 6: head coach. But you could argue, I mean, Joe Gibbs 142 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 6: is certainly top five on resume all time, right, Bill 143 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 6: Parcells probably top seven all time among head coaches ever, 144 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 6: oh yeah, oh yeah? And Tidy Johnson, I mean he 145 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 6: needs now introduction. So I guess I could argue you 146 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 6: might have four who have been to a Super Bowl. Well, 147 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 6: I have three of like the best seven of all time. 148 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 6: It's an interesting discussion. 149 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,559 Speaker 1: No, I will say I think coaching is getting better 150 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: because I will say I think the AFC North with 151 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: Tomlin Stefanski, John Harball, and I think Zach Taylor's better 152 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: than you do. But I understand the criticism. That's a 153 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: good coaching division. And then we have Matt Lafleur, Kevin O'Connell, 154 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: Dan Campbell. Now we don't know what Ben Johnson is. 155 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: I think he's going to work. I think he's really 156 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: really sharp. So I mean we have three divisions where 157 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: I don't look at anybody as a huge liability. Now again, 158 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: I think Zach Taylor's capable. I think he's bright. I 159 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: think he listen, he got to a Super Bowl with 160 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: a terrible old line. 161 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 6: Okay, is he a top ten coach in the NFL 162 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 6: right now? 163 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: I would put him close to nine or ten. Yeah, Zach. 164 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: Remember now, I remember who's his owner, cheapest owner in 165 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: the roar. 166 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 6: Remember who's his quarterback? 167 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: That's his his quarterback's hurt. Often his owner is the 168 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: cheapest in the league, and the front office is one 169 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: of the smallest. Scouting departments, so you have to add contact. 170 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: Like I always say about brock Perty, it helps when 171 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: you have Kyle Shanahan. If you look at Zach Taylor, 172 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: you know Nick Sirianni has the best GM and a 173 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: top five owner. Zach Taylor has the most frugal ownership. 174 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: They still don't have an outdoor facility. I think they're 175 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: the only Northern Northern geographical team without one. And the 176 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: front office, like it does not manipulate drafts. 177 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 3: They just draft their draft picks they have. 178 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 6: We're just bending over backwards to defend Zach Taylor because 179 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 6: he went to one Super Bowl. Okay, if I asked, 180 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 6: if I pulled the GMS around the league, would you 181 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 6: rather have Mike McDaniel or Zach Taylor as your head coach? 182 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: Zach Taylor, No way, It's. 183 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 6: Gotta be McDaniel. Come come on, you're not serious, are you. 184 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: The Dolphins in two years before McDaniel got there were 185 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: viewed as a train wreck his first two years, he 186 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: won one more game. Yeah, So when you when you 187 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: tell me how great Mike McDaniel's in in a division 188 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: where the Jets have been a tire fire and the 189 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: Patriots have been a entire fire for the last several years. 190 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: So he entered it at a spot where I mean 191 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: he got four wins almost automatically. 192 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 6: If you know what you're doing, he gets Do you 193 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 6: talk about injured quarterback in it with Cincinnati? 194 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: What about do and. 195 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 6: I got missing more time than any starting quarterback, and 196 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 6: yet mcdeinal's made the playoffs twice one time. You lose 197 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 6: to Kansas City in thirty Taylor. 198 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 3: And Mike McDaniel, we should do it. 199 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: We should do that. Resume Zach Taylor and Mike McDaniel. 200 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: I would take Zach Taylor. I think you're probably Dach 201 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: Taylor has won multiple road playoff games. Taylor had to 202 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: face the Ravens. He's got a face. I mean, I 203 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: think Stefanski's a great coach. I think Colin. 204 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 6: Taylor Colin is Zach Taylor a top ten coach in 205 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 6: the AFC? Yes, yeah, I mean he's definitely not better 206 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 6: than any of the four in the AFC. 207 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 3: Well, let's just talk about that. 208 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: Let's just spitball. Okay, So Andy Reid, both Harbaugh's McVeigh Shanahan, Okay, 209 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: let's just get those out. Sean Payton, I'm at six, 210 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: Nick Dermott of Buffalo seven, Dan Campbell, Tomlin eight nine, 211 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,479 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll ten. So I think Zach Taylor. 212 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 6: Used Demiko Ryans in Houston has been there for two years. 213 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 6: He's been excellent. 214 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: Zach Taylor won three straight road games as a road 215 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: coach and got to win a play of winning the 216 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: Super Bowl with the cheapest owner in the sport and 217 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: a front office that does no deals. 218 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 6: Kevin Stefanski or uh or Zach. 219 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 3: Taylor has won five playoff games. 220 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 6: Kevin Stefanski has won Coach of the Year, Kevin o' 221 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 6: How about this, Kevin O'Connell or your guy, Zach Taylor. 222 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: So you think coach of the Year is bigger than 223 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: playoff wins. That's like saying I won an Emmy or 224 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: I got a new contract. What would you take? 225 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 6: I mean, if Sefanski had Joe Burrow, what's. 226 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: It the sky? 227 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 3: Rather win an Emmy or get a your contract? 228 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 6: Well, that's a different discussion. 229 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: I mean time out, that's a different discussion. An award. 230 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: Who gives a rip? 231 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 6: Well, I mean the awards you get gifted Joe Burrow, 232 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 6: your expectations are super Bowl contender every year? 233 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: Cares about awards? 234 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 6: The coach of the year. He's winning coach of the 235 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 6: year with like three or four quarterbacks. He doesn't have 236 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 6: anybody good. 237 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you and I are just different business guys. You 238 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: want plaques, I want pass I don't want well, I'm sorry, 239 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: five playoff games, four on the road. I think so. 240 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 6: By the way, you got easily ten guys before you 241 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 6: get to Zach. 242 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: Tail or not easily. I think you get to eight nine. 243 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: And I don't think Nick Sirianni's a great coach. Well 244 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: he won a Super Bowl again. Yeah, Sirianni or Zach Taylor, 245 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: best GM in the league, top four owner. 246 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 3: Listen, you like plaques, I get it. 247 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 6: I don't like platts. I like w's and the Vegels 248 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 6: have not had a lot of those. I don't care 249 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 6: about awards. I want playoff win. Okay, what do you 250 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 6: make Colin of the fact that every freaking in September, 251 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 6: Zach Taylor's team comes out and is ill prepared to 252 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 6: start the season every year? 253 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 1: Interesting? Interesting? Would it be that Burrow every year is 254 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: recovering from an injury? 255 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 6: Maybe the coach should get his quarterback to get get healthier, 256 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 6: or get on the practice field, or. 257 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: Get ready That was a sophisticated take. The coach has 258 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: to get his quarterback healthier. 259 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 6: Well, why is the quarterback always hurt? Maybe they don't 260 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 6: have an offensive line. 261 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: There's an team, there's an answer. Again, take a deep breath. 262 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: Cheapest owner, don't pay for offensive lines. He always has 263 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: bad protection. That's not Zach Taylor's issue. Sean McVay, part 264 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: of his greatness is less Snead and Stan Kronke, who 265 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: he can go in the market and buy. At one 266 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: point they paid Stafford and Jared Goff. You think Cincinnati 267 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: and Cincinnati would have been paid to Higgins. Owners run 268 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: sports if you have a bad one. The owners run sports, 269 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: and that's the way it works in the NFL. Have 270 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: an impulsive owner. I mean, it's not a coincidence. Robert 271 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: Kraft has a bunch of rings. The Hunt family has 272 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of rings. Jeffrey Lourie's got rings. You think 273 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: that's a coincidence. 274 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 6: Oh, I forgot. You mentioned the Patriots have a new coach. 275 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 6: He's got a much better track record than uh, you know. 276 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: I went to table top ten. Yeah, I think Zach 277 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: Tator's in that ten, eleven, twelve space. 278 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 6: So Zach Taylor hits the market the Bengals firing, is 279 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 6: he getting another head coaching jobs? 280 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, absolutely, I would take the under on that. 281 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: All right, Dana Whites around the corner. It's the hurt. 282 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 7: Hey, it's me Rob Parker. 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So when she came 297 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: to the WNBA, just a lack of preparedness by the 298 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: commissioner lack of marketing. She really shines a light on it, 299 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: and then the lack of travel. Then the Women's Olympic 300 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: movement was absurd not putting her on the team. Christine 301 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: Brennan wrote about that in her book. And then we've 302 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: also noticed that the players were very petty. Although I 303 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: think they're getting over it, but she's really Kaitlin Clark 304 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: has really shined a light on how bad the officiating is. 305 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: It's not bad calls, it's no calls. This league is 306 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: insane and if you're a star guard. Kelsey Plumber, the 307 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: La Sparks has gone out to say she played against 308 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: a San Francisco team forty minutes, only three calls against her. 309 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: She came out of the game with scratches all over 310 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: her face. They just let starguards get abused in this league. 311 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: The officiating is horrible. Listen to this. There's only one 312 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy nine active players in the league. Players 313 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: have already suffered one hundred and forty one injuries since 314 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: opening day. It's like one per player. There have been 315 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: fifty seven head and neck injuries in the past two 316 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: and a half seasons. They just don't call anything. They 317 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: don't call anything, and like the NBA, they allow more 318 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: physical play in the playoffs. But this is a regular season. 319 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: You want your stars in the WNBA. You want them 320 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: healthy for the All Star Game. You want them healthy 321 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: for the playoffs. You don't what I'm banged up now 322 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: in mid June, Kelsey Plum, you can go back and 323 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: look at that videos getting banged all over the floor. 324 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: They only called three fouls and forty minutes to now 325 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark is hurt. So Natasha Cloud, who's another guard 326 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 1: for the New York Liberty, came out and talked this 327 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: week about the ref She says, I'm working my blanking 328 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: blank off for four and a half months in the offseason. 329 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: The refs here have way too much blanking impact on 330 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: the game. Angel Reese has come out it has to 331 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: be fixed. I don't give a damn if I get fined. 332 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: This blank is cheap. I'm tired of this blank. Kelsey 333 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: Plum said, quote, I drive more than anybody in the 334 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: league statistically, so to shoot six free throws a game 335 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: is blanking absurd. A lot of f words I can't repeat. 336 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: So these women are tacked and it's like guys, guys, 337 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: here's how it works. The NBA doesn't call a lot 338 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: of fouls in the regular season. Why they want their 339 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: players available for the All Star Game in the playoff. 340 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: In the playoffs, they let more go because physicality is 341 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: more intense, there's more urgency, and it makes for a 342 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: better television product. 343 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 3: You don't want to. 344 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: Let everything go in the regular season, so your players 345 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: are all banged up. You want to develop these relationships 346 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 1: with fans during All Star weekend in the regular season, 347 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: and then if you have to let the play and 348 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: the call slide a little in the postseason, a ramp 349 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: up intensity. That's what the NBA did, and I get that, 350 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: and I've always said the regular season's not nearly as 351 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: much fun. 352 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 3: As the postseason. And for the. 353 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: Record, seven is the league average right now. That's up 354 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: fifteen percent over the same period last year. So if 355 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: people want to watch this sport, keep the players healthy, 356 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: call fouls, especially against star guards. 357 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 8: J Mack with a news no no turns. 358 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 2: This is the herdline. News, Hey, Colin. 359 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 6: Let's start with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Obviously, Aaron Rodgers decided 360 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 6: to join Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh well before Rogers signed there. 361 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 6: Cam Hayward said he wouldn't pitch Rogers on joining Pittsburgh, 362 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 6: but now that ar is on the roster, Hayward says 363 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 6: he discussed his teammate's presence at the facility. 364 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 2: It worked out for the best. 365 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 9: Like I know, sometimes we live in a society where 366 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 9: we want things now, but you know, patience has a 367 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 9: way of you know, paying off and the noun. See 368 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 9: he's at Pittsburgh Steeler and just walk him walking through 369 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 9: the locker room asking questions how we do things. He's 370 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 9: bought in and you know that's all I can ask for, 371 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 9: you know, our quarterback. And as a teammate, you know, 372 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 9: I'm excited to go to work with him. 373 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, good luck, listen. 374 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 3: I think that's the easiest. 375 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: That is the easiest division to predict Baltimore, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh 376 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: and Cleveland. It's the easiest because Cincinnati just won't spend money, 377 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: smallest scouting department, cheapest owner, won't make deals. Baltimore, if 378 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: they're struggling at the trade deadline, would open. 379 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 3: Up the check book and make a big deal. 380 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: Huge advantage upstairs Baltimore over Cincinnati. Huge advantage in the 381 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: Steve Bashadi the Ravens. I've had three different GMS tell 382 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: me they think he's the best owner in the league. 383 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: The worst owner is arguably the guy in Cincinnati. So 384 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: Baltimore is going to win the division. Cincinnati has the 385 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: weapons and Joe Burrown a decent coach. Pittsburgh is not 386 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: gonna They'll be competitive and viable. But if you look 387 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: at what's happened to them post Thanksgiving the last several years, 388 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: have you noticed the trend with Pittsburgh. Why are they 389 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: so bad late in the season Because their coach is 390 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: based on motivation and that same motive, motivation wears out, 391 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: Like motivation is great in September October, but you can't. 392 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: You can't live on motivation ultimately, you have to yet 393 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: you'll live on schemes and evaluation and development. That's not 394 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: a strength for Pittsburgh. So they'll finish third, and Cleveland's 395 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: trying to get the number one pick. 396 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, let's go on to a team that's 397 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 6: way more interesting, and that's the Tennessee Titans and cam 398 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 6: Ward the number one pick in the draft this year. 399 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 6: It's weird he's not getting a lot of hype like 400 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 6: a certain fifth rounder in Cleveland well Wards teammate in Tennessee, 401 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 6: Jeffrey Simmons, took issue with the lack of hype behind 402 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 6: his quarterback while appearing on the NFL Network. 403 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 10: First off, you know, I think that our team, Tennessee 404 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 10: Titans never get to respect and the tension we need. 405 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 10: I never seen the number one pick overall, never get 406 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 10: to respect and you know, quite Franklin in the attention 407 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 10: that he deserves. I think that's a chip on the show. 408 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 10: You could tell the way he could go about his being, 409 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 10: his swagger hit dem demani like, there's gonna be one 410 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 10: of the ones that you know, we I'm excited to 411 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 10: see it. 412 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: I think we both agree this is if there are 413 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: three teams, three or four teams I absolutely feel will 414 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: look different this year. New England and Tennessee topped the list. 415 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: They will look like different teams because we both like 416 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: rab and we both like Callahan, who we think, you know, 417 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: was dealt kind of a bad hand on the Will 418 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: Levis pick. So I think Tennessee and New England are 419 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: playoff teams. They were bad last year. They won't be great, 420 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: but they'll be really they'll be like Tennessee's gonna be 421 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: like Denver. They're gonna find their way in to the playoffs. 422 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: They're not gonna win a lot of playoff. 423 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 9: Games like that. 424 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,239 Speaker 1: The AFC is too loaded, too many veteran court, too 425 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: many Josh Allen's burrows, you know, mahomes Herberts. 426 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 3: But I think Tennessee's a playoff two. 427 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 6: It's interesting this whole We don't have any hype. People 428 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 6: are disrespecting us. I would prefer that if I were Tennessee, right, 429 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 6: I don't want everybody talking about me on TV all day, 430 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 6: my mentions blowing up that. That's not what you want 431 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 6: for a young quarterback, right, Wouldn't you rather be rich 432 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 6: and anonymous as opposed to rich and famous? 433 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: Colin Well, I think. I think the Titans are about 434 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: as anonymous as NFL teams get. It's sec territory, so 435 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: they're not. I mean, let's be honest. Half the fans 436 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: in that town are bigger college football fans, volunteer fans 437 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: than Titan fans. So if you if you want a 438 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: hot in the NFL, that's not a bad place to 439 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: do it. It's not New York, La Chicago. I mean, 440 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, every snap is discussed when I'm driving around Chicago, 441 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: it is Cubs and Caleb Williams. Those are the two 442 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: topics in the In the fall, you'll hear sec talk 443 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: as much as you'll hear Titans talk in Nashville like 444 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: it's a it's a so. I mean, you can hide 445 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: their slow grow develop you don't have a ton of pressure. Interesting. 446 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 6: The final story con is the Golden State Warriors, bizarrely 447 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 6: the only team who is not acquired to anybody this offseason. 448 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: Right, and we know. 449 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 6: Steph Curry thirty seven, he's getting up there in age. Well, 450 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 6: a friend of this show, Channing Fry, believes that at 451 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 6: some point this season are you ready for this, Golden 452 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 6: State will end up making significant changes to their roster. 453 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 3: I'm not being control. 454 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 8: The Warriors blow it up halfway through the season. Look 455 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 8: at the trend of where the NBA is going. Okay, 456 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 8: See is a very tall team, The Clef of Cavaliers 457 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 8: are a tall team, Boston is a big team. Of 458 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 8: Denver is a big team, Minnesota is a tall team, 459 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 8: Lakers Clippers Houston is extremely tall. Golden State is still 460 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 8: playing small ball, and I don't know if that works anymore. 461 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: I think he's absolutely right. Absolutely right. I think at 462 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: the All Star break, Jason, we love, we both really 463 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: like the NBA. You can argue right now you start 464 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: looking at the West if I mean, just look at 465 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: the West today. We know Oklahoma City's good. We know 466 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: Houston is gonna be really good. I mean, that's that's indisputable. 467 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: If you look at Denver's moves in Vegas, they're like, 468 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: so that's three teams. We know we're gonna be good. 469 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: We can argue. But DeAndre, Luca Reeves and DeAndre and 470 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: Lebron that's gonna be a good team. That's gonna be 471 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: a good team. I'm gonna argue all day long. Cooper 472 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: flag Lively, a d kayro that's gonna be a good team. 473 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 3: That's just the top five. That's just the stuff we know. 474 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: And by the way, Minnesota is gonna be good Clippers. 475 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, yeah, again, I don't love them, 476 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: you do, but whatever, they're good. So I mean, and 477 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: my take on this is where does Golden State the 478 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: smallest of all those and the oldest of all those 479 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: that they're the oldest smallest teams in that labyrinth of 480 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: in the Western Conference, Like, where do they fit now? 481 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 6: This minor surprise, but the Clippers are actually the oldest 482 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 6: team in the league on average, followed by Rockets, Kings, Warriors. 483 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 6: Here's my thing for Golden State. What do you what 484 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 6: does blow it up mean? Are they trading Draymond? I 485 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 6: don't know. Is there a market for him? Who's gonna 486 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 6: want Jimmy Butler at fifty million? You're obviously not moving 487 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 6: off Curry. I just I feel like they're limited in 488 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 6: their moves and. 489 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: If you y right, difference is the reason I consider 490 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: them the oldest team is because the guys that actually 491 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: play their core. Yeah, like their core, let me look 492 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: at it, Steph thirty seven, thirty five, thirty five, thirty 493 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: two and thirty two. By the buddy Heal feels like 494 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: an old thirty two. He's not like a springy thirty two. 495 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: He's a shooter. So their core is really. 496 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 6: Old, and they're gonna add Al Horford supposedly they just 497 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 6: get older. So yeah, I'm a little worried about the Warriors. 498 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 6: It's tough, you know that GM. Remember when he bailed 499 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 6: a couple of years ago. He's like, I don't want 500 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 6: to blow this up. Bob Myerson. 501 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 4: He got out of it. 502 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: He got that. 503 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 6: What do they say, the last chopper out of Saigon? 504 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 6: He got out of there quickly. 505 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it. 506 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 2: J mcklan news, Well, that's the news, and thanks for 507 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: stopping by the herd Line news. 508 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: H Dana White's going to join us. Oh this is interesting. 509 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: I want to throw this out. Yeah, just interesting. I 510 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: don't want to go too deep into the woods because 511 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: it'll bore people. But I think Zach Taylor is a 512 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: slightly better coach than Mike McDaniel because I think Mike 513 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: McDaniel has a better ownership situation. I think Ross is 514 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: one of the richer NFL owners. He's taken big swings. 515 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: I mean, go look at the Tyreek Hill deal. Cincinnati 516 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: would have never done that deal, the Jalen deal. Cincinnati 517 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: would have never done that deal. 518 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 3: J Mac. 519 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: If I could give any wisdom to any young broadcaster, 520 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 1: it's what I always say, don't chase money, chase executives. 521 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: There's the finite number of great owners in the NFL. 522 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: So the Dolphins, you can say they're flawed, but they'll 523 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: go spend big money on players. They'll go get Jalen Ramsey, 524 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, Jalen Wall, Cincinnati doesn't do that. They won't 525 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: even pay the guys they draft. They won't even pay 526 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: their own guys. So I think having to coach Cincinnati 527 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: is one of the hardest jobs in the league. They 528 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: have the smallest scouting department, the cheapest owner, and so 529 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: I give Zach Taylor. He has to every day he 530 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: goes to work, he has to overcome that. Mike McDaniel's owners. 531 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: I think he's the third richest owner in the league, 532 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: and he may spend money foolishly, but he spends money. 533 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: So Zach Taylor has four winning seasons, Mike McDaniel has two. 534 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: Zach Taylor has two division titles. Mike McDaniel has none. 535 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: Zach Taylor has five playoff wins. McDaniel has none. Taylor, 536 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: Zach Taylor has two conference championships appearance, Mike McDaniel has none. 537 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: So my take is, well, well, Tua, Tua's made Pro Bowls. 538 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: This is not Joe stopping, This is not doing that. No, no, no, 539 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: this is not Joe Burrow and Mitch Trubisky. The comp 540 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: for brock Perty in this league is Tua. So if 541 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: you love Purty, you can't tell me too is a bum. 542 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 3: You can't have. 543 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: It's like saying I love Mike Tomalin and hate Pete 544 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: Carroll same track record. You can't tell me you love 545 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: Purty and hate Tua. They're both have been banged up, 546 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: both are small, Both neither has a huge arm, neither 547 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: a wild So the truth is one guy is resume 548 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: with a cheap owner, a small scouting department, and mostly 549 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: bad old lines because they won't pay big money for 550 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: a left tackle. Look what I'm getting. I'm just a right. 551 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 6: You're gonna let me dive into these immortal playoffs wins. 552 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 6: They won at the Raiders, care they beat, they beat 553 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 6: the Titans. And again it's not Zach Taylor's chiling up 554 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 6: some great stuff here. What do I care? Brow, You've 555 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 6: got an amazing quarterback now here here. This is the 556 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 6: smart question, Colin. Let's say Zach Taylor's fired and McDaniel 557 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 6: is fired. Where are the smart coaches Jim Harbaugh that 558 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 6: kind of level. Where are they lining up to coach 559 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 6: Cincinnati or Miami? 560 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 3: No, that's what I'm saying. That's an argument for me. 561 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 4: Everybody want me? That's borrow? 562 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: No, do you want to work at Fox Sports or Vice? 563 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,959 Speaker 1: I have much more supported Fox Sports than I would advice. 564 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: I would rather coach Miami than Cincinnati. That's why it's amazing. 565 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 6: You would rather coach two of them. 566 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, I don't know. 567 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is. 568 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: I have the cheapest owner, smallest scouting department, no outdoor facility, 569 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: can't get free agents. 570 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 3: I got Burrow. 571 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: It's great, but look at how hard it is to 572 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: keep him healthy. They won't best and offensive lineman, and 573 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: they won't pay t Higgins and Hendrickson. 574 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 6: I find it hard to believe that if I gave 575 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 6: you Tua and this team or Joe Burrow, you would say, 576 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 6: I'll go coach to his team. Come on, there's no way. 577 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 6: Joe Burrow is a superstar. I don't care how about 578 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 6: the owner is in the scouting department. Just having Burrow, 579 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 6: you're gonna be in the mix because he's that good. 580 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 6: You got a better quarterback, a better receiver. If Hendrickson's 581 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 6: ever signed, you got a better edg Rusher. You're better 582 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 6: at all the premium positions. 583 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: Like I will say, who's your owner, who's your boss? 584 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: And I'm a huge fan, but what does it tell 585 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: you that one great quarterback in the entire league last 586 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: year didn't make the playoffs. 587 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 3: If I said, guess who it is? 588 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: Cincinnati, Well, the cheapest owner, the smallest scouting department, won't 589 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: pay their own players. Burrow doesn't like the Bengals. Tua 590 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: loves the Dolphins. Burrow doesn't like the Bengals. He's perpetually 591 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: unhappy with the Bengals. Toua loves, he loves Miami. 592 00:30:58,960 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 6: Bengals are his co. 593 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 3: All right, we go to Pittsburgh next the TJ. Watts signing? 594 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: What do we make of it? 595 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 596 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 2: in noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 597 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app, where. 598 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 6: The fastest man on Earth Alex Below looks to continue 599 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 6: his season for the Ages Sunday at noon Eastern only 600 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 6: on Fox. 601 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: By the way, before I get to my guest on 602 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: the Steelers, but you could be saying to yourself with 603 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: Jay McK and I had a fun argument, is that, Colin, 604 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: how could you choose Tua over Burrow? So when Jim 605 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: Harbaugh took the Chargers job, he took it because of Herbert. 606 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: But the other reason he took it is because they 607 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: paid Harbaugh fifteen million a year. The Bengals don't pay 608 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: coaches like that. They're also paying Greg Romans seven figures, 609 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,959 Speaker 1: Big seven figures and Jesse Minter from Michigan Big seven figures. 610 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: So the second part of the equation was the Spanos 611 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: family paid a fortune for this coaching staff. Cincinnati won't 612 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: do it. The Chargers pay a four for their scouting staff. 613 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: The Bengals won't do it. So it's not justusin Herbert. 614 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: It's the Spanos family, who I'd criticized for years on 615 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: being cheap, are no longer cheap. They just built a new, 616 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,959 Speaker 1: brand new facility because they pay a buck a year 617 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: for the Sofi lease, so they are cash rich. I 618 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: know Dean. I've talked to him about this. We've got 619 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: dinner over this. They used to be a fair criticism 620 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: five years ago. Chargers aren't cheap anymore. The Bengals still are. 621 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: So I like Burrow much better than tua. But Tua' 622 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: is not Kenny Pickett. He's made Pro Bowl. His comp 623 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,719 Speaker 1: is it's a very fair comp. Is brought Purty, who 624 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: I don't love, but he's good, and he Brock Purty 625 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: top fifteen quarterback. So like the bottom line, is. I 626 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: always said this when I took the job at Fox. 627 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: A big part of it was the Murdoch family, the 628 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: Business Channel, Fox Sports work, the search Light, they did 629 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: movies like everything they touch. 630 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 3: Worked, Wall Street Journal, New York Post. It all worked. 631 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: It wasn't just Hey what I'm I make it? Or 632 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: Hey who I'm next to? So you have to consider 633 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: this stuff. So Cincinnati is not a good job because 634 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: you get Burrow. You know, you get the ten thousand 635 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: dollars ten million dollars chandelier in an empty mansion, there's 636 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: nothing else around it. You have to overcompensate. Miami's owner 637 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: may spend crazily, but he spends. They'll go get Jalen Ramsey, 638 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: They'll go get Tyreek Hill, They'll they're big, big spenders. 639 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: Miami spends sometimes weirdly, but they'll spend. Cincinnati doesn't. They 640 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: won't even resign their own guys. That's why Burrow's pissed. 641 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: He's always mad, he's trapped. So that's why I'm saying 642 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: is that I think Zach Taylor has to overcome a 643 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: lot more than Mike McDaniel's does. And he's got five 644 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: playoff wins and McDaniel has none. I don't care what 645 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: he's beating. He's won, he's won playoff games. They don't 646 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: even have an out I don't even think they have 647 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: an outdoor or an indoor practice. And I had nothing 648 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,239 Speaker 1: against Mike McDaniel, but Zach Taylor gets beat up more 649 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: than anybody in this league, and I just think it's unfair. 650 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: All right, Mike de Fabo, Oh, they just built one 651 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: after Burrow gout Man. Okay, they find me have one 652 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: Scarry all right, So listen, speaking of getting beat up. 653 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: Nobody likes when I beat up on the Steelers. But 654 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: I've said the league has gone to protein and the 655 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: Steelers are into carbs. 656 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 3: I love TJ. Watt, but they move off. 657 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: Minka and then they pay Jalen Ramsey and then you 658 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: know they're willing to move off defensive players and then 659 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,720 Speaker 1: they always replace them with somebody older. 660 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 3: And I love TJ. 661 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: Watt, but I feel like they're tone deaf to the 662 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 1: current movement in the league, which is pay one great 663 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: pass rusher and pay for offense, keep your defense young 664 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: and cheap, so you cover the Steelers. 665 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 3: You know, this is what you do for the athletic. 666 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 3: Am I that far off base. 667 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: Oh. 668 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 11: I completely agree with what you're saying, and a lot 669 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 11: of people in Pittsburgh would also agree, because this is 670 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 11: going to be the fourth consecutive year that the Steelers 671 00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 11: have the NFL's highest paid defense. 672 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 4: They tried this before with TJ. 673 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 11: Watt in his prime, where they made him the highest 674 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 11: paid defensive player and went all in on defense. But 675 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 11: because they had no quarterback, it didn't matter how great TJ. 676 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: Watt was. 677 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 11: It didn't matter what Cam Hayward was able to do, 678 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 11: it didn't matter what MIKEA. Fitzpatrick was able to do. 679 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 11: So here they are again opening another window and supposedly 680 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 11: going all in and doing it with defense and convincing 681 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 11: themselves that Aaron Rodgers might not be in his prime, 682 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 11: but they don't need him to be if they have TJ. 683 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 4: Watt in this highly paid defense. 684 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 11: Well, that's the same thing they told themselves at the 685 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 11: end of the Ben Roethlisberger era. That's the same exact 686 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 11: thing they told themselves last year with Russell Wilson, and 687 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 11: we saw the result and the result was no playoff 688 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 11: wins in eight years. 689 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: So does that mean and coaches make more than GM's 690 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: Omar Khan just got you know the contract, he's not 691 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: making nearly what Tomlin is, And I've had people in 692 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: the league tell me that the owner tends to let 693 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: the coach get more, say, because he's paying him four 694 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: times as much. This leads me to believe that ultimately 695 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: Omar Khan does not run the organization, that Mike Tomlin 696 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: pretty much runs the organization. 697 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 3: Is that right or wrong? 698 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 11: Well, Look, we've seen Omar Khan evolve the Steelers in 699 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 11: a number of ways, like specifically with this contract, there's 700 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 11: a lot of guarantee money involved, and that's something the 701 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 11: Steelers have been reluctant to do, and I give Omar 702 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 11: Khan credit for evolving the thinking in that way. You've 703 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 11: also seen the Steelers become more aggressive under Omar Khan. 704 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 11: But to your point, here's where I'd agree. You look 705 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 11: at the players that the Steelers acquired. There are a 706 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 11: lot of guys that Mike Tomlin has had his eye 707 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 11: on for a long time. DK Metcalf has been a 708 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 11: guy he's talked about. Jalen Ramsey is a guy he's 709 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 11: talked about. So I think that absolutely Mike Tomlin is 710 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 11: one of the most powerful people in football, and this 711 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 11: whole notion that Mike Tomlin makes the most out of 712 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 11: depleted rosters. I just can't get behind that because I 713 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,240 Speaker 11: think Mike Tomlin has a tremendous say in the players 714 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 11: they draft, the players that they acquire free agency, and 715 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 11: the players that they trade for. So absolutely, this is 716 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 11: a roster full of players handpicked by Mike Tomlin. 717 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 4: And so you also have to when you. 718 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 11: Criticize the Steelers or hold them to a certain standard, 719 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 11: also factor in that Mike Tomlin had a huge say 720 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 11: in assembling this roster. 721 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: We've had a couple of Steelers come on our show 722 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: or it's been published and reported Mike that he is 723 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: player permissive, which I'm okay with because most players can 724 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: handle it, but Antonio Brown couldn't and George Pickens couldn't. 725 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: It's an a fair criticism that Mike is so pro 726 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: player that there's always three or four loose, immature players 727 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: that disrupt the room. 728 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that that is fair. There's always been 729 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 4: kind of this debate. 730 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 11: Did Mike Tomlin get the most out of Antonio Brown 731 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 11: or did he enable him? And you know, we saw 732 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 11: history in some senses repeat itself with George Pickens. He 733 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 11: was not nearly on Antonio Brown's level in terms of 734 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 11: off field antics and getting in trouble with the law. 735 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 11: But when it came to being a profession realizing that 736 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 11: you're paid handsomely and this team is counting upon you, 737 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 11: you know, he showed up repeatedly late for things, and 738 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 11: you know, I have to look at Mike Tomlin and 739 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 11: say that he created this environment where it was possible 740 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,399 Speaker 11: for this to happen, because you go back to where 741 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,919 Speaker 11: this whole postseason losing streak began. Le'Veon Bell reported late 742 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 11: for that playoff game, and now here we are years 743 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,720 Speaker 11: later and you've got on Christmas Day, George Pickens reporting 744 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 11: late for the first game right after he was active, 745 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 11: after Mike Tomlin said that he needed to grow up. 746 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 11: So Mike Tomlin says George Pickens needs to grow up. 747 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 11: His response the very next game in which he's active 748 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 11: is to show up late. That tells me he didn't 749 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 11: have that player's attention. And I think it is time 750 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 11: for the Steelers to change their ways when it comes 751 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,320 Speaker 11: to you know, Mike Tomblin always has a saying, I 752 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,800 Speaker 11: don't treat everybody equally, but I treat everybody fairly. But 753 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 11: when you're treating people on different levels. That is unfair 754 00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 11: to the guys who are doing the right thing. 755 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 3: All right, one minute left. I think they're a nine 756 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 3: to eight, eight and nine team. What say you, Mike? 757 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 11: I think there are a nine or a ten win team. 758 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 11: But really that's not the standard that people in Pittsburgh 759 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 11: are holding this team to. It has been, like I 760 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 11: keep saying, eight years since a playoff win. They are 761 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 11: desperate in starving for success. 762 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 4: And I think that's why you've. 763 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 11: Seen the Steelers have such a splashy offseason, because they 764 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 11: know that people are getting impatient. 765 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 4: They want success and they haven't. 766 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 2: Had it, you know. 767 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 4: And I just look at the. 768 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 11: Fact that there have been in the history of the 769 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 11: NFL in the Super Bowl era, quarterbacks over forty have 770 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 11: won to combine twelve games in the playoffs. Tom Brady 771 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 11: has ten. Every other quarterback has two combined. So it's 772 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 11: Tom Brady and it's everybody else. 773 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 4: And here the. 774 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 11: Steelers are throwing their face behind assume to be forty 775 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 11: two year old Aaron Rodgers to try to snap that 776 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 11: skid and end that you know, troubling spot and a 777 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 11: troubling stat. 778 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 1: Mike to fable that was a great stat. Oh, hey, 779 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: j Mac, do you give us a couple of gems 780 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: like that that. Mike de Fabo comes on for five minutes, 781 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: He's dropping bombs like that. Hey, Mike, great having you on. 782 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna have you on again at the Athletic. They 783 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: got a good one in Mike. 784 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 4: Thanks buddy, Yeah, absolutely, thank you so much for having 785 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 4: me on the show. 786 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah. The staff I was, I was off occasionally, 787 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: I miss a day and they told me to get 788 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: Mike on. This guy sharp and he was so. Yeah, 789 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: it's a that's a fascinating stat. Brady's got ten of 790 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: the twelve playoff wins for quarterbacks over forty. The rest 791 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,800 Speaker 1: of them combined to have two. We're not anti Aaron Rodgers. 792 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: That's just the numbers. I don't know where are you on? 793 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: I think they're nine to eight or eight and nine. 794 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:43,800 Speaker 1: Where were you at on Pittsburgh? 795 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll go seven and ten just because the audience 796 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 6: loves this sparring Mike McDaniel ver Zach Taylor. I just 797 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 6: posted a poll on Twitter. Hey, if you could only 798 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 6: hire one McDaniel or Taylor, who would you hire. It's 799 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 6: early or so far as Zach Taylor fifty seven percent, 800 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 6: McDaniel forty three percent. So the unwashed masses are rolling 801 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 6: with Coward so far, so far on social media, it's early. 802 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: No, I think. I think it's like, if you're listening 803 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: to my show right now and disagree with me, and 804 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: you're a salesperson, aren't you beholden to how good your 805 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: manager is and how good your products are? 806 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 6: Well, technically, if you're a salesperson, you're beholden to the 807 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 6: regional sales manager, who would probably be Joe Burrow in 808 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 6: this case. They're not gonna go anywhere without Burrow, right, 809 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 6: You know that if he's there, they're competing. 810 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: How do you miss the playoffs with Joe Burrow? It 811 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: can't all be that Zach is clueless. He got him 812 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: to a super Bowl. You can't get there if you're clueless. 813 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: You don't have to be a grade, but you're not 814 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: d grade. Dana White's coming up.