WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Who Leaves The Biggest Void? 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.360 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.520 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:11.240 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:15.600 Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that. 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:20.960 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:27.240 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, A bar Garcia, and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:31.840 It is Thursday, July twenty six, twenty eighteen, Season fourteen, 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:36.400 episode number thirteen. Welcome to another edition of The Break. 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:39.080 We are live from Oxnard, California. It is our first 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.080 day on the air heading into this training camp and 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:44.400 into this season. 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Oh yeah, yeah, because we got some 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.520 cool stuff that they can do with our mobile app. Actually, UM, 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.120 as we are here on the show, if you want 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.200 to interact live, make sure you go to our mobile app. 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:35.360 It's Cowboys Mobile UM. Once you download that. If you 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:38.920 go into the app and you click on talk, you'll 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.000 see up there at the top there these three options. 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.440 One of ums Talk. You click on that, and then 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:47.280 you click on Cowboys Break. You'll notice that there is 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.880 a little feature. There's this little meter and these s 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.480 thumbs up yes, No. What you can do is throughout 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.880 the show, as we are talking about specific topics, we'll 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.160 kind of move it around. 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Then you just click thumbs down and you 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:22.120 can click vote, and you can do that as many 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:24.480 times as you like, and that meter then takes all 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.919 the different thumbs up thumbs downs that fans are are 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:31.079 pushing and put them all together to tell you kind 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:32.800 of the sentiment of what fans are thinking from what 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:34.760 we're talking about. So I think it's a really cool feature. 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:36.840 You guys, check it out, play with it. We're gonna 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:38.840 keep playing with it and tweaking it until we get 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.320 it to where it's perfect. But I know that that's there, 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:45.040 and we appreciate you guys taking part. So let's jump 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.120 right in. I do want to talk. We have a 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.040 lot of things we need to hit today. I think 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:53.720 the first thing we're gonna talk about is the safety position. Yesterday, 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:55.359 there were a few things that came out of the 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.239 press conference that we're a bit surprising. But one of 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.680 the things we found out after the press friends in 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:04.400 a press release, was that Cavon Frasier has been placed 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:08.040 on the NFI list um And so at this point 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:10.000 there doesn't seem like, there's a lot of news, but 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:11.760 catch us up on at least what we know at 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:13.640 this point and kind of what that means for the 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.760 team heading into camp. Well, what what that means is 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:20.560 that he won't be able to practice right away, um 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.399 until he's removed from that list. I think that being 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:27.880 very uh, just cautious about the situation with him. Um, 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.760 there's been some reports out there there's a possible blood disorder. 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.480 They're just looking at some of his blood work. UM, 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.200 we uh had There's been no official word of the 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.240 team right now, but that's kind of what what we've 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.240 sort of gathered. And you know, I think this is 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:45.400 one of those things very serious obviously, and you want 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.480 to just make sure that that before they put him 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.920 out there that he's good to go. So right now 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:52.680 they're holding him back, um, and and that's a that's 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.480 a setback obviously for him for the safety position and 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.520 definitely for special teams. Yeah, when you talk about this, uh, 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:02.160 this position, it was something that Stephen mentioned yesterday in 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.840 his press conference and he was mentioning the question. You 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:07.920 could tell I think Brad was the one that answered 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.040 asked it, but you could tell he was pointing to 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.080 Earl Thomas. Didn't want to say Earl Thomas because it 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.920 immediately when you say Earl Thomas too. Basically, any Cowboys, 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:18.839 you know, executive, they are going to say no comment. 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.360 They can't talk about a player on the contract. However, 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.679 as he was talking about him, he talked about Xavier 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.080 Woods and mentioned the fact that that was one of 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:30.080 the reasons why they draft him is because they thought 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.080 that he could be maybe this type of safety could 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.400 playmaking type safety day. Take us back to the draft 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.000 a couple of years ago. I know this was a 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:40.159 guy that was a pet cat for you guys, and 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:43.160 what you guys saw on him that may make someone 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.839 believe that possibly he could be the caliber of safety 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.120 that they want. Yeah, we'll forget what I think. Like, 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.280 it's clearly that the Cowboys feel confident about that because 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:56.240 they haven't done anything about the position. They didn't draft anybody, 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.120 they haven't signed a plethora. I mean, forget Earl Thomas. 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.560 They didn't go after safeties in free agency, they didn't 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.440 spend a draft pick on one, and they've pointed to 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.920 Xavier Woods by name all along as as the reason 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.200 why they feel okay about that he's a sixth round pick. 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:16.560 It's widely accepted that I still never figure that out. 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.120 Like his tumble down the draft board was crazy because 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.240 us on the Draft Show we had a third round 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.560 grade on him. I know the Cowboys had a high 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:28.040 grade on him compared to where they got him. And 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:30.600 so I mean they Stephen Jones brought that up yesterday. 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.960 They traded a pick away to move up and get 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:37.000 him last year, which, ironically enough, like he didn't play 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:40.080 that much free safety last year, Like he spent most 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.359 of his time playing in the slot, which is a 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:44.479 testament to his athleticism that he can kind of do 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.839 that on the fly. But you know, Amber, you and 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.320 I went back and forth about this all through the offseason, 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.200 like that, they clearly have a ton of confidence in 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:56.040 the guy, just by virtue of the fact that I 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.479 can't remember a time when a guy had such a 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.360 big opportunity to win a job. You know, I mean 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.120 Mark Weston huff is on the roster. Okay, that's cool, 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:06.960 but really they didn't do a ton in the way 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.240 of bringing in competition for Xavier Woods, and I think 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.720 that speaks a ton to what they hope for him. 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:13.880 And you know, we're going to see that play out 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:15.400 over the next two weeks, to see if he's up 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:18.400 to the challenge. Amber. How much does Cava and Frasier's 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.320 status at this point make you think that the Cowboys 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.520 should or shouldn't run out and get another safety to 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:26.800 add to this mix. I mean, even before him being out, 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.520 with this whole situation, it was already a problem. The 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.680 safety position, the depth in it, the experience in it, 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.560 was already an issue. Now I have a bigger issue now, 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.640 just in the whole defense. Before I was really concerned 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:42.400 about safety, Now I'm concerned about the whole defense overall. 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.279 I was starting to feel towards the end of last 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:50.000 year that this defense was moving forward, you know, progressing 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.680 the defensive line of past rush was getting better, and 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.880 you saw hope in there. Now with everything happening, David 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:00.400 Irving being out, Malie Collins, all that stuff, now it's 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.080 not just a safety position. Now it's turning into a 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.560 bigger issue. And we know that well a lot of 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:10.680 people will argue that defense win games. So Geez doom 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.920 and gloom Garcia over here. My god, it's the first day. 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.400 It is the first day. But shoot, I mean I 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.280 was expecting to be more excited. I was excited about 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.360 the defense and now hot surprise, here you go. This 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:26.880 is what we start off with. Yeah, I think it's important. 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.600 I mean, unfortunately, I don't know the extent of what 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:34.160 the deal is with Kevon uh. Like, there's we know 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:38.400 he's being tested supposedly for a potential blood disorder. There's 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.520 other reports out there that you know, maybe you know 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:42.640 you can treat it with medication. Maybe it's not that serious. 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.880 I don't know, And so I get leery about trying 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.720 to project project stuff like that. We'll see what comes 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.520 of it. I'm sure Jason Garrett's going to talk about 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:56.240 it today. Physically he looks fine physically. Yeah. No, So 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:58.280 I don't know. I want to see where that goes. 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.760 But yeah, I mean we didn't love what they did 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.120 at safety to begin with. Yeah, and then now you're 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.680 talking about your primary two defensive tackles not being here 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:08.640 on the first day of camp. Like, I get your point. 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.200 I do. Nick. You made an interesting point in our 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.640 pre show meeting about Earl Thomas and just the thoughts 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:18.600 on you know, looking at this, it's not just an 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.560 equation of can he help your team. There's a bigger 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:23.480 equation that you think has to be factory in as 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.040 to whether you would go out and try to get 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.120 trade for a guy like, yeah, is this team good 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:30.000 enough to to go and and kind of you know, 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.439 lose a draft pick or two for next year. I mean, 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.880 I think that you need to decide and figure out 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.280 here at camp what kind of team you've got, what 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.040 kind of offense you gotta You're gonna score some points, 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:41.760 You're gonna be able to win some games. Do you 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.520 are you a player or two away from maybe going 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.240 over the top. If this looks like a situation where 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:51.240 you know, it's really if he is it? Dicey is it? 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.440 Are we gonna have a high second round pick next year? 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:55.480 Why why would we want to you know, let that go? 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.880 But I think that so it's not just about how 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.920 Xavier Woods does. It's just what kind of team we 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:02.720 have do we need to really just get over the 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:04.480 top here? And then he's a guy that that could 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.200 maybe go do that. But sounds like it's just you 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.880 know that the Cowboys are not the only team interested, 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:12.120 or if they're interested at all, they're not the only 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.480 team might on the radar. And so you know, if 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:17.079 I'm Seattle. I probably if they're gonna trade him, I 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.080 would trade him somebody in the AFC. You could probably 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.800 get some you know, comparable stuff. So I just think 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.880 the Cowboys need to decide is he worth going to 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.920 get or anybody going to get? Because you know what 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.520 type of team overall we can have. If you had 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.520 to answer that question, and I'll ask all three of you, 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:34.559 if you had to answer that question, is this team 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.559 good enough to invest what you'd have to invest to 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:40.200 go out and get somebody that caliber? Is it worth 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.320 doing right now? I'll start with because right now I 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.360 think people are nationally are saying this team's eight and eight, 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.800 nine and seven, maybe you know ten and six team 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.440 right kind in the middle. Um, I honestly believe if 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.079 you went out and got him right now, I think 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.400 the Cowboys would be one of the top eight or 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.640 nine teams in the league. I think this is a 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:00.960 good football team. I think it'd be really good football 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:02.679 team if you brought in a player like that in 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:06.320 that that calibert because that's a position that could definitely 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:13.040 use it. CCCCCCC. But I mean that's that we talked 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:20.720 about here. That's funny. Uh No, I think this team 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:24.079 needs someone like that, especially when you're playing for your 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:28.040 job as far as you know, starting coaching positions. You know, 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.800 you're you're really living it all on the field this 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.520 year and just putting it all out there and see 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:35.480 where he can take you. Now, do I see the 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.720 Cowboys doing that kind of move? I don't know. I mean, 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.560 that's a ballsy move, you know. I don't know why 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:45.600 that's the term you guys Americans use right over there 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:52.400 were Americans. I mean, sorry, is that a bad word? 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.120 I'm learning from you guys. That's y'all's fault. No, there's 0:10:56.120 --> 0:11:00.240 nothing wrong with say it with your chest anyways. It's 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:04.560 such a drastic move, you know, a flamboyant move like that. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.520 I don't know. He'll be absolutely surprising to see the 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.800 Cowboys actually doing that move, you know, after talking about 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.640 it so long, we'll see. Y'all are going to accuse 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.720 me of being a contrarian, but I reject. I reject 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:24.360 that whole premise. I don't go get Earl Thomas to 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.720 put me over the top this year, because if you're 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:28.440 getting Earl Thomas, you gotta sign him to a new 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.440 deal anyway. So I'm going to get him, because all 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.120 of my dbs are twenty six or younger, and with 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.319 very few exceptions, most of them don't have a lot 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.880 of skins on the wall. In the NFL, he is 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.960 an alpha dog. He is one of the best safeties 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:45.240 in recent memory, if not ever. He sets the tone 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.600 for your whole secondary And if you make the effort 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:49.400 to get him, he's gonna be here for I would 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:52.800 guess at least three seasons. So I look at that 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:54.960 as a big picture move. It's probably the last deal 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:58.200 he's going to sign in his prime. Hopefully he's still 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.280 in his prime. Like, I mean, that's a whole other conversation. 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.800 But I'm getting him to base. I mean, I know 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:05.840 Sean Lee's there, but I'm getting him to be the 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.160 face of my defense and the tone setter for my 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:12.320 defense for basically this this whole window, this next three 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.240 four years. So you know, I know people love to 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.840 talk about like Charles Haley and Dion Sanders putting the 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.120 Cowboys over the top back in the old days. Though 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.200 I mean, that's a different era of football. It's not 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.760 how it works these days. Um, So I don't I 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.240 don't believe in the concept of doing something like that 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.800 for one season, but I think he's young enough and 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:32.640 good enough that he could put a stamp on your 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:34.640 defense for the next three or four years. I think 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:37.640 we're saying the same thing because I mean, so you're 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:41.480 saying next year, if if if if, if they if 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.200 they get out there, and for some reason you're like, 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.840 this team doesn't have it, I'd still try to get him, 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.320 because you're I mean, this team is the nucleus. This 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:50.600 team is going to be together for the foreseeable future. 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:54.320 I mean, who that's important is going away anytime soon. Well, 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:56.079 then then why wouldn't you just wait and then try 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.559 to get him when he's a free agent, because you can. 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:00.480 I mean, that's one more season out of his prime. 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.880 I mean, like, get him, get him now, get him 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:04.319 to a more First of all, he won't hit the 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.640 open market. If you do that, you trade for him, 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.960 and then you can negotiate a deal with him, and then, 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.040 you know, football players only have a finite, finite amount 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.280 of time. I'd rather have him on my team right 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.679 now and try to make the best of it than 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:21.520 you know, wait for the future. So basically, you you 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.040 argued with us, but said the same thing. You just 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.320 had a different reason for it. Yeah. No, no, Yeah, 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.800 he's agreeing go get him, he's saying for different reasons. Yeah, 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.640 I agree. No, I agree to go get him. I 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:36.200 just yeah, not like a knee jerk, like six month decision. 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:37.920 I mean, this is you got to commit to it. 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:40.480 I agree, you do have to sign him, you have 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.160 signed a long term deal. But you know that's what 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.000 he won. He wants to play with the Cowboys. Yeah, 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:49.160 and but pretty clear, I do agree with what you're saying, Dave, 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.680 because mainly, and we're gonna talk about this a little 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.360 later in the next segment, you look at this team. 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.480 You look at a lot of the veteran leadership that's 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.839 been here traditionally over the last several years. They're gone now, 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.680 and and we're gonna get into the question of who's 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:04.679 gonna fill that void. And I don't know if when 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.160 you start talking about that secondary room, if there are 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.480 a lot of options for people that can step in 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.439 and fill that void of leadership, that that bring that passion, 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:16.320 bring that extra experience that they don't really have, because, 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:18.920 like you said, all those guys are young and and 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:22.040 to this point mainly unproven. Other than guys like a 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.160 Jeff Heathless. Yeah, I think that if you're gonna do that, 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.240 I've said this all along. I don't know how late 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.640 we're getting in the game here. It would have been 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.040 nice if you're gonna bring a veteran and bring him 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:33.560 in early so he has a chance to really be 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.600 in the offseason he comes here or anybody that comes here, 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.360 and it's like, well, you know, I mean, it'll still work. 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.240 It'll still his name speaks fore, Yeah, it does. It does. 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.360 I think we're gonna we're gonna look back several times 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.240 and go, maybe they should have given a second round 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:50.320 pick for him. You know, we'll see. I mean, I mean, 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:51.760 Connor Williams is going to have to come in and 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.160 really just do great things. And maybe he will, but 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.800 I guarantee every time he misses a block or Tyron 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.160 Crawford gets buy him or something like that, or penalty 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.320 could have had, you know, and that's it's bad. It's 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.160 like Greg Ellis, who got compared to a wide receiver 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.280 his whole career. He might get compared to a safety. Yeah. 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:11.120 But the flip side to that is with this young secondary, 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.480 if a n Xavier Wood type player actually ends up 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.080 making some plays this year and showing them what they 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.560 thought they saw in film of him in college. Now 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.440 you get into the next offseason, maybe that's a move 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:23.720 point at that at that time, like if these young guys, 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:25.400 and I heard you saying this yesterday on the show 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.480 Nick Um, with these cornerbacks, you expect these cornerbacks are 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:30.840 gonna take a jump. These cornerbacks take a jump, and 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:32.880 they now really are starting to jail and starting to 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.000 figure this thing out. And then you get some pretty 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.720 good play from Xavier Woods and and then just from 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:39.120 the rest of those guys, you kind of just get 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.880 a little okay play. It may change the whole dynamic, 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:43.600 and you say you don't want to necessarily bring in 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.080 a veteran. You like these young guys developing together as 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:47.840 a core, and you're gonna keep them together. The best 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:52.040 pair of cornerbacks in the NFL heading into twenty nineteen, 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:57.480 that's the two best corners. Maybe not not the best 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.720 in the league, but yeah, And the weird part is 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:02.200 is one of them has got to get into a 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.320 starting job. I'm sorry, I'm not putting Byron Jones in 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.640 that group. I'm putting Jordan Lewis. I think Jordan Lewis 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:13.400 has a chance to be phenomenal. I really do. He's 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:17.680 a good player, and he's got a great attitude work 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:21.080 ethic that that'll turn him into a great player. I 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:25.440 mean everything. There's nothing not to like about him in 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.400 my opinion. 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