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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, July twenty six, twenty eighteen, Season fourteen,
Speaker 1: episode number thirteen. Welcome to another edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: We are live from Oxnard, California. It is our first
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Speaker 1: right in. I do want to talk. We have a
Speaker 1: lot of things we need to hit today. I think
Speaker 1: the first thing we're gonna talk about is the safety position. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: there were a few things that came out of the
Speaker 1: press conference that we're a bit surprising. But one of
Speaker 1: the things we found out after the press friends in
Speaker 1: a press release, was that Cavon Frasier has been placed
Speaker 1: on the NFI list um And so at this point
Speaker 1: there doesn't seem like, there's a lot of news, but
Speaker 1: catch us up on at least what we know at
Speaker 1: this point and kind of what that means for the
Speaker 1: team heading into camp. Well, what what that means is
Speaker 1: that he won't be able to practice right away, um
Speaker 1: until he's removed from that list. I think that being
Speaker 1: very uh, just cautious about the situation with him. Um,
Speaker 1: there's been some reports out there there's a possible blood disorder.
Speaker 1: They're just looking at some of his blood work. UM,
Speaker 1: we uh had There's been no official word of the
Speaker 1: team right now, but that's kind of what what we've
Speaker 1: sort of gathered. And you know, I think this is
Speaker 1: one of those things very serious obviously, and you want
Speaker 1: to just make sure that that before they put him
Speaker 1: out there that he's good to go. So right now
Speaker 1: they're holding him back, um, and and that's a that's
Speaker 1: a setback obviously for him for the safety position and
Speaker 1: definitely for special teams. Yeah, when you talk about this, uh,
Speaker 1: this position, it was something that Stephen mentioned yesterday in
Speaker 1: his press conference and he was mentioning the question. You
Speaker 1: could tell I think Brad was the one that answered
Speaker 1: asked it, but you could tell he was pointing to
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas. Didn't want to say Earl Thomas because it
Speaker 1: immediately when you say Earl Thomas too. Basically, any Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you know, executive, they are going to say no comment.
Speaker 1: They can't talk about a player on the contract. However,
Speaker 1: as he was talking about him, he talked about Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods and mentioned the fact that that was one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why they draft him is because they thought
Speaker 1: that he could be maybe this type of safety could
Speaker 1: playmaking type safety day. Take us back to the draft
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. I know this was a
Speaker 1: guy that was a pet cat for you guys, and
Speaker 1: what you guys saw on him that may make someone
Speaker 1: believe that possibly he could be the caliber of safety
Speaker 1: that they want. Yeah, we'll forget what I think. Like,
Speaker 1: it's clearly that the Cowboys feel confident about that because
Speaker 1: they haven't done anything about the position. They didn't draft anybody,
Speaker 1: they haven't signed a plethora. I mean, forget Earl Thomas.
Speaker 1: They didn't go after safeties in free agency, they didn't
Speaker 1: spend a draft pick on one, and they've pointed to
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods by name all along as as the reason
Speaker 1: why they feel okay about that he's a sixth round pick.
Speaker 1: It's widely accepted that I still never figure that out.
Speaker 1: Like his tumble down the draft board was crazy because
Speaker 1: us on the Draft Show we had a third round
Speaker 1: grade on him. I know the Cowboys had a high
Speaker 1: grade on him compared to where they got him. And
Speaker 1: so I mean they Stephen Jones brought that up yesterday.
Speaker 1: They traded a pick away to move up and get
Speaker 1: him last year, which, ironically enough, like he didn't play
Speaker 1: that much free safety last year, Like he spent most
Speaker 1: of his time playing in the slot, which is a
Speaker 1: testament to his athleticism that he can kind of do
Speaker 1: that on the fly. But you know, Amber, you and
Speaker 1: I went back and forth about this all through the offseason,
Speaker 1: like that, they clearly have a ton of confidence in
Speaker 1: the guy, just by virtue of the fact that I
Speaker 1: can't remember a time when a guy had such a
Speaker 1: big opportunity to win a job. You know, I mean
Speaker 1: Mark Weston huff is on the roster. Okay, that's cool,
Speaker 1: but really they didn't do a ton in the way
Speaker 1: of bringing in competition for Xavier Woods, and I think
Speaker 1: that speaks a ton to what they hope for him.
Speaker 1: And you know, we're going to see that play out
Speaker 1: over the next two weeks, to see if he's up
Speaker 1: to the challenge. Amber. How much does Cava and Frasier's
Speaker 1: status at this point make you think that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: should or shouldn't run out and get another safety to
Speaker 1: add to this mix. I mean, even before him being out,
Speaker 1: with this whole situation, it was already a problem. The
Speaker 1: safety position, the depth in it, the experience in it,
Speaker 1: was already an issue. Now I have a bigger issue now,
Speaker 1: just in the whole defense. Before I was really concerned
Speaker 1: about safety, Now I'm concerned about the whole defense overall.
Speaker 1: I was starting to feel towards the end of last
Speaker 1: year that this defense was moving forward, you know, progressing
Speaker 1: the defensive line of past rush was getting better, and
Speaker 1: you saw hope in there. Now with everything happening, David
Speaker 1: Irving being out, Malie Collins, all that stuff, now it's
Speaker 1: not just a safety position. Now it's turning into a
Speaker 1: bigger issue. And we know that well a lot of
Speaker 1: people will argue that defense win games. So Geez doom
Speaker 1: and gloom Garcia over here. My god, it's the first day.
Speaker 1: It is the first day. But shoot, I mean I
Speaker 1: was expecting to be more excited. I was excited about
Speaker 1: the defense and now hot surprise, here you go. This
Speaker 1: is what we start off with. Yeah, I think it's important.
Speaker 1: I mean, unfortunately, I don't know the extent of what
Speaker 1: the deal is with Kevon uh. Like, there's we know
Speaker 1: he's being tested supposedly for a potential blood disorder. There's
Speaker 1: other reports out there that you know, maybe you know
Speaker 1: you can treat it with medication. Maybe it's not that serious.
Speaker 1: I don't know, And so I get leery about trying
Speaker 1: to project project stuff like that. We'll see what comes
Speaker 1: of it. I'm sure Jason Garrett's going to talk about
Speaker 1: it today. Physically he looks fine physically. Yeah. No, So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I want to see where that goes.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean we didn't love what they did
Speaker 1: at safety to begin with. Yeah, and then now you're
Speaker 1: talking about your primary two defensive tackles not being here
Speaker 1: on the first day of camp. Like, I get your point.
Speaker 1: I do. Nick. You made an interesting point in our
Speaker 1: pre show meeting about Earl Thomas and just the thoughts
Speaker 1: on you know, looking at this, it's not just an
Speaker 1: equation of can he help your team. There's a bigger
Speaker 1: equation that you think has to be factory in as
Speaker 1: to whether you would go out and try to get
Speaker 1: trade for a guy like, yeah, is this team good
Speaker 1: enough to to go and and kind of you know,
Speaker 1: lose a draft pick or two for next year. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that you need to decide and figure out
Speaker 1: here at camp what kind of team you've got, what
Speaker 1: kind of offense you gotta You're gonna score some points,
Speaker 1: You're gonna be able to win some games. Do you
Speaker 1: are you a player or two away from maybe going
Speaker 1: over the top. If this looks like a situation where
Speaker 1: you know, it's really if he is it? Dicey is it?
Speaker 1: Are we gonna have a high second round pick next year?
Speaker 1: Why why would we want to you know, let that go?
Speaker 1: But I think that so it's not just about how
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods does. It's just what kind of team we
Speaker 1: have do we need to really just get over the
Speaker 1: top here? And then he's a guy that that could
Speaker 1: maybe go do that. But sounds like it's just you
Speaker 1: know that the Cowboys are not the only team interested,
Speaker 1: or if they're interested at all, they're not the only
Speaker 1: team might on the radar. And so you know, if
Speaker 1: I'm Seattle. I probably if they're gonna trade him, I
Speaker 1: would trade him somebody in the AFC. You could probably
Speaker 1: get some you know, comparable stuff. So I just think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys need to decide is he worth going to
Speaker 1: get or anybody going to get? Because you know what
Speaker 1: type of team overall we can have. If you had
Speaker 1: to answer that question, and I'll ask all three of you,
Speaker 1: if you had to answer that question, is this team
Speaker 1: good enough to invest what you'd have to invest to
Speaker 1: go out and get somebody that caliber? Is it worth
Speaker 1: doing right now? I'll start with because right now I
Speaker 1: think people are nationally are saying this team's eight and eight,
Speaker 1: nine and seven, maybe you know ten and six team
Speaker 1: right kind in the middle. Um, I honestly believe if
Speaker 1: you went out and got him right now, I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys would be one of the top eight or
Speaker 1: nine teams in the league. I think this is a
Speaker 1: good football team. I think it'd be really good football
Speaker 1: team if you brought in a player like that in
Speaker 1: that that calibert because that's a position that could definitely
Speaker 1: use it. CCCCCCC. But I mean that's that we talked
Speaker 1: about here. That's funny. Uh No, I think this team
Speaker 1: needs someone like that, especially when you're playing for your
Speaker 1: job as far as you know, starting coaching positions. You know,
Speaker 1: you're you're really living it all on the field this
Speaker 1: year and just putting it all out there and see
Speaker 1: where he can take you. Now, do I see the
Speaker 1: Cowboys doing that kind of move? I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a ballsy move, you know. I don't know why
Speaker 1: that's the term you guys Americans use right over there
Speaker 1: were Americans. I mean, sorry, is that a bad word?
Speaker 1: I'm learning from you guys. That's y'all's fault. No, there's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with say it with your chest anyways. It's
Speaker 1: such a drastic move, you know, a flamboyant move like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. He'll be absolutely surprising to see the
Speaker 1: Cowboys actually doing that move, you know, after talking about
Speaker 1: it so long, we'll see. Y'all are going to accuse
Speaker 1: me of being a contrarian, but I reject. I reject
Speaker 1: that whole premise. I don't go get Earl Thomas to
Speaker 1: put me over the top this year, because if you're
Speaker 1: getting Earl Thomas, you gotta sign him to a new
Speaker 1: deal anyway. So I'm going to get him, because all
Speaker 1: of my dbs are twenty six or younger, and with
Speaker 1: very few exceptions, most of them don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of skins on the wall. In the NFL, he is
Speaker 1: an alpha dog. He is one of the best safeties
Speaker 1: in recent memory, if not ever. He sets the tone
Speaker 1: for your whole secondary And if you make the effort
Speaker 1: to get him, he's gonna be here for I would
Speaker 1: guess at least three seasons. So I look at that
Speaker 1: as a big picture move. It's probably the last deal
Speaker 1: he's going to sign in his prime. Hopefully he's still
Speaker 1: in his prime. Like, I mean, that's a whole other conversation.
Speaker 1: But I'm getting him to base. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: Sean Lee's there, but I'm getting him to be the
Speaker 1: face of my defense and the tone setter for my
Speaker 1: defense for basically this this whole window, this next three
Speaker 1: four years. So you know, I know people love to
Speaker 1: talk about like Charles Haley and Dion Sanders putting the
Speaker 1: Cowboys over the top back in the old days. Though
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a different era of football. It's not
Speaker 1: how it works these days. Um, So I don't I
Speaker 1: don't believe in the concept of doing something like that
Speaker 1: for one season, but I think he's young enough and
Speaker 1: good enough that he could put a stamp on your
Speaker 1: defense for the next three or four years. I think
Speaker 1: we're saying the same thing because I mean, so you're
Speaker 1: saying next year, if if if if, if they if
Speaker 1: they get out there, and for some reason you're like,
Speaker 1: this team doesn't have it, I'd still try to get him,
Speaker 1: because you're I mean, this team is the nucleus. This
Speaker 1: team is going to be together for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 1: I mean, who that's important is going away anytime soon. Well,
Speaker 1: then then why wouldn't you just wait and then try
Speaker 1: to get him when he's a free agent, because you can.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's one more season out of his prime.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, get him, get him now, get him
Speaker 1: to a more First of all, he won't hit the
Speaker 1: open market. If you do that, you trade for him,
Speaker 1: and then you can negotiate a deal with him, and then,
Speaker 1: you know, football players only have a finite, finite amount
Speaker 1: of time. I'd rather have him on my team right
Speaker 1: now and try to make the best of it than
Speaker 1: you know, wait for the future. So basically, you you
Speaker 1: argued with us, but said the same thing. You just
Speaker 1: had a different reason for it. Yeah. No, no, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's agreeing go get him, he's saying for different reasons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. No, I agree to go get him. I
Speaker 1: just yeah, not like a knee jerk, like six month decision.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is you got to commit to it.
Speaker 1: I agree, you do have to sign him, you have
Speaker 1: signed a long term deal. But you know that's what
Speaker 1: he won. He wants to play with the Cowboys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and but pretty clear, I do agree with what you're saying, Dave,
Speaker 1: because mainly, and we're gonna talk about this a little
Speaker 1: later in the next segment, you look at this team.
Speaker 1: You look at a lot of the veteran leadership that's
Speaker 1: been here traditionally over the last several years. They're gone now,
Speaker 1: and and we're gonna get into the question of who's
Speaker 1: gonna fill that void. And I don't know if when
Speaker 1: you start talking about that secondary room, if there are
Speaker 1: a lot of options for people that can step in
Speaker 1: and fill that void of leadership, that that bring that passion,
Speaker 1: bring that extra experience that they don't really have, because,
Speaker 1: like you said, all those guys are young and and
Speaker 1: to this point mainly unproven. Other than guys like a
Speaker 1: Jeff Heathless. Yeah, I think that if you're gonna do that,
Speaker 1: I've said this all along. I don't know how late
Speaker 1: we're getting in the game here. It would have been
Speaker 1: nice if you're gonna bring a veteran and bring him
Speaker 1: in early so he has a chance to really be
Speaker 1: in the offseason he comes here or anybody that comes here,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, you know, I mean, it'll still work.
Speaker 1: It'll still his name speaks fore, Yeah, it does. It does.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna we're gonna look back several times
Speaker 1: and go, maybe they should have given a second round
Speaker 1: pick for him. You know, we'll see. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: Connor Williams is going to have to come in and
Speaker 1: really just do great things. And maybe he will, but
Speaker 1: I guarantee every time he misses a block or Tyron
Speaker 1: Crawford gets buy him or something like that, or penalty
Speaker 1: could have had, you know, and that's it's bad. It's
Speaker 1: like Greg Ellis, who got compared to a wide receiver
Speaker 1: his whole career. He might get compared to a safety. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the flip side to that is with this young secondary,
Speaker 1: if a n Xavier Wood type player actually ends up
Speaker 1: making some plays this year and showing them what they
Speaker 1: thought they saw in film of him in college. Now
Speaker 1: you get into the next offseason, maybe that's a move
Speaker 1: point at that at that time, like if these young guys,
Speaker 1: and I heard you saying this yesterday on the show
Speaker 1: Nick Um, with these cornerbacks, you expect these cornerbacks are
Speaker 1: gonna take a jump. These cornerbacks take a jump, and
Speaker 1: they now really are starting to jail and starting to
Speaker 1: figure this thing out. And then you get some pretty
Speaker 1: good play from Xavier Woods and and then just from
Speaker 1: the rest of those guys, you kind of just get
Speaker 1: a little okay play. It may change the whole dynamic,
Speaker 1: and you say you don't want to necessarily bring in
Speaker 1: a veteran. You like these young guys developing together as
Speaker 1: a core, and you're gonna keep them together. The best
Speaker 1: pair of cornerbacks in the NFL heading into twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: that's the two best corners. Maybe not not the best
Speaker 1: in the league, but yeah, And the weird part is
Speaker 1: is one of them has got to get into a
Speaker 1: starting job. I'm sorry, I'm not putting Byron Jones in
Speaker 1: that group. I'm putting Jordan Lewis. I think Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: has a chance to be phenomenal. I really do. He's
Speaker 1: a good player, and he's got a great attitude work
Speaker 1: ethic that that'll turn him into a great player. I
Speaker 1: mean everything. There's nothing not to like about him in
Speaker 1: my opinion. All right, let's check our first break. When
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Speaker 1: voids that have been left by the departure of Dez
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Speaker 1: Back to the Break Welcome back. It is the second
Speaker 1: segment of the Break life from actually from Oxnard, California.
Speaker 1: We're here in sunny California. Actually not as cool as
Speaker 1: it once was when we used to come here for
Speaker 1: training camp, but still much better than what's been going
Speaker 1: on in Dallas, so I will not complain. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk a little bit this segment about the three that
Speaker 1: are not here this camp, and it seemed a little
Speaker 1: strange to me. I'm sure you guys probably felt it
Speaker 1: a little bit as well, But getting on the plane
Speaker 1: heading out here and not seeing guys like Jason Witten
Speaker 1: and Dez Bryan and Orlando Scandrick seemed a bit weird
Speaker 1: because for the last how many years now, nine eight
Speaker 1: nine years, you pretty much have had that steady flow
Speaker 1: of those veterans being around, and they are their personalities
Speaker 1: are big enough and their presence is big enough that
Speaker 1: when they walk in the room, when they walk on
Speaker 1: the plane, when they walk on the field, you immediately
Speaker 1: notice them. And that's missing. Talk to me about just
Speaker 1: kind of how you think the Cowboys adapt overall to
Speaker 1: coming into a camp without their presence. Well, I'll start um. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I think it starts with Witton. As far as just
Speaker 1: his leadership. I think that that's something that not only
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't have to be an offensive guy,
Speaker 1: don't have to be a tight end. It's got to
Speaker 1: be you know, just somebody that it is okay to
Speaker 1: have enough skins on the wall to to say, you know,
Speaker 1: this is how we run this drill, this is how
Speaker 1: we do this that you know that's not okay. Pull
Speaker 1: a guy aside and be able to do that. The
Speaker 1: problem with leaders and you talk about all sports. Who
Speaker 1: are the great leaders out there? You know? I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems like ray Lewis always comes to mind. Well,
Speaker 1: ray Lewis is a pretty good football players, the first
Speaker 1: ballot Hall of Famer Magic Johnson. I mean, you can't,
Speaker 1: no one can be just be a leader just because
Speaker 1: you say good things. I mean, I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: Brady James, he tried for years to be a good leader.
Speaker 1: But if you miss plays and misstackles too, then it's
Speaker 1: kind of it's hard to do that. There's only you
Speaker 1: got to be a certain level. That's why Jason Witten
Speaker 1: could do that. There's Bryant to me as a leader
Speaker 1: on a different level as far as bringing attitude, bringing
Speaker 1: energy and that kind of stuff. But so from that standpoint,
Speaker 1: from those two things, those two, those two guys will
Speaker 1: be missed. I just put the missed two. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm not really saying the third. Well, we just finished
Speaker 1: talking a lot about the secondary room and the lack
Speaker 1: of experience there. So if nothing else, Now, don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, I don't think he was necessarily a great leader. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what I will say is there was amount of
Speaker 1: experience that when you get out on the field and
Speaker 1: you're in the you know, the critical part of a game.
Speaker 1: There's experience that he can bring to the table to say, hey,
Speaker 1: let's be careful, let's watch out for this, let's think
Speaker 1: about this that maybe some of these guys can't do
Speaker 1: because they don't have that level of experience. I get
Speaker 1: your point, and maybe this is just like beginning of
Speaker 1: training camp optimism. But like it's all I mean, first
Speaker 1: of all, okay, it's not the same position, but like
Speaker 1: Shaun Lee's there, and like Sean shan Lee is, he's
Speaker 1: there for now. Well that's always you got. That has
Speaker 1: to be FASTI I mean, that's all we can talk
Speaker 1: about right now, right I mean, I'm not on the
Speaker 1: day on the first day of practice. I'm not worried
Speaker 1: about twenty twenty, you know. Um, and I'm talking about
Speaker 1: game five, game six, game seven. Hey, I know it's
Speaker 1: not quite the same thing, but he'll still be but
Speaker 1: he's going away he's I mean, if you watched All
Speaker 1: or Nothing, that dude was leading the defensive absolutely absolutely,
Speaker 1: But on the field, critical moment of the game, who's
Speaker 1: that person that in which secondary group it goes in
Speaker 1: able to she had that experience, it goes back to
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say before that, which is like
Speaker 1: maybe it's misguided optimism, but like this group doesn't know
Speaker 1: what it doesn't know, and I view it as a
Speaker 1: good thing, like because you know, Orlando Scandrick a better
Speaker 1: player than he got rep got credit for. But like
Speaker 1: it's almost like you can get in your own head
Speaker 1: sometimes when when you know when you're experienced that way,
Speaker 1: Like these guys haven't been burned to the point where
Speaker 1: they're worried about it, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: I think it gives them a lot of confidence. Now
Speaker 1: will it always be that way? Probably not, because you're
Speaker 1: gonna get beat in the NFL eventually. But I just
Speaker 1: love the confidence that this dB group has, and like
Speaker 1: I I don't worry about them. You know, Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: loves to like the moment's not too big for him.
Speaker 1: Like that's how I feel about these guys, and until
Speaker 1: proven otherwise, I just I feel good that they're gonna
Speaker 1: be okay with it. Like those guys are not lacking
Speaker 1: for confidence, and I don't like they're not wide eyed
Speaker 1: like looking for a leader. I think they're okay where
Speaker 1: I think that this team is going to struggle at
Speaker 1: times is when you get to those dog days of camp.
Speaker 1: You get those days where it's just not for whatever
Speaker 1: the reason, the energy levels not what it needs to be.
Speaker 1: That's one thing you could always count on with Dez.
Speaker 1: Dez was so competitive. He was so high, strong, and
Speaker 1: he was always going to get in someone's face, and
Speaker 1: he actually rose that level of competition for everybody around him,
Speaker 1: the DBS and everyone's getting involved. This guy's talking trash
Speaker 1: and all this, and next thing you know, you're having
Speaker 1: a pretty spirited practice. That's what I think is going
Speaker 1: to be missed. And also Jason Witten was pretty good
Speaker 1: at doing that as well. That's where you know, I'm
Speaker 1: hoping this year, with the NFL cloud over away from him,
Speaker 1: I think Zeke can maybe get back to being Zeke
Speaker 1: a little bit. Last year he was going through the
Speaker 1: motions and rightfully so I think he might be a
Speaker 1: guy that can kind of do that. I hope to
Speaker 1: see that. You know, I hate to say reckless, you
Speaker 1: know with him, but on the field, just want to
Speaker 1: beat He's you know, which will be a five year old.
Speaker 1: They got that little challenge people in practice to make them, yeah,
Speaker 1: get a little angry and then you got a little
Speaker 1: bit of a little more competition. I'll be a contrarian
Speaker 1: again a little bit because like maybe this is controversial,
Speaker 1: like I did, I don't look as at Dez Bryant
Speaker 1: as a leader. He'd been on the team for a decade,
Speaker 1: he was never named captain. He's we know all about
Speaker 1: his volatile nature, missing meetings, being late to meetings, skipped
Speaker 1: his MRI. Like he's not Jason Witten in that just
Speaker 1: constant dependability sent what he is. He's just like an
Speaker 1: unbridled spark plug like he just like I mean, he's
Speaker 1: bringing the energy honestly, whether you want him to or not.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so, like I I I
Speaker 1: think there's a difference. I like he he's the emotional
Speaker 1: core of this team. Yes, But like like Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: always says this too, like are you looking at Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant like be like that guy in every facet of
Speaker 1: a football player? Like No, I don't think so. Um,
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is is that he did things
Speaker 1: his energy brought to the point that other people followed suit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that therefore you are a leader. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: a good leader. I'm not saying you go. You know,
Speaker 1: he is the front line of defense and in a
Speaker 1: model citizen. I'm just saying he was a leader in
Speaker 1: that standpoint. Yeah, No, I mean and you for sure.
Speaker 1: And that's that's something that the team right now. I
Speaker 1: don't know who has that other than Sean Lee. How
Speaker 1: I see it is like both does and went and
Speaker 1: have been the face of the franchise for so long
Speaker 1: already that coming in as new guys, you see, you
Speaker 1: idolize them, you want to be like them. So coming
Speaker 1: in you are next to an idol, a guy that
Speaker 1: you admire, not necessarily for their leadership as far as does,
Speaker 1: but someone you want to be like them and be
Speaker 1: better and maybe perform good in front of them, not
Speaker 1: be embarrassed like oh here's my idol and now he's
Speaker 1: watching me and now I suck. No, you want to
Speaker 1: do good the famous word I thought. So that's how
Speaker 1: I mean. That's for me what is gonna be missed
Speaker 1: as far as the dynamic in the group, just having
Speaker 1: that kind of person that ups the level and makes
Speaker 1: you want to be better in him and press them.
Speaker 1: I think that this those two guys being gone will
Speaker 1: probably you know, in a way help DA's leadership because
Speaker 1: you know, if Dak sits there and we saw it,
Speaker 1: we saw Chad's green jump offsides whatever, and Dad, you know,
Speaker 1: put the ball in the ground and yelled at him
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. But Witton had a
Speaker 1: lot of penalties too. Des Brian had to be told
Speaker 1: where to line up all the time. You're not yelling
Speaker 1: at those guys in practice because of what might happen
Speaker 1: after that. UM gets to a point where Dak is
Speaker 1: the main guy and the leader. Now if Kitty do that,
Speaker 1: the tyrant smith does he need to you know, good
Speaker 1: luck with that. But but that's where it needs to
Speaker 1: be because now all the receivers, he should be able
Speaker 1: to do that, all the tight ends. For sure, he
Speaker 1: should be able to kind of be the leader. And
Speaker 1: UM so hopefully that that'll happen with him a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have him in used to the quarterback being in
Speaker 1: the guy that kind of sparks the team. A lot
Speaker 1: of teams are about like that, right, But but maybe
Speaker 1: that's what's gonna happen is that you're yeah, but I
Speaker 1: don't I don't think he had to be because there
Speaker 1: were other guys that always when he came in when
Speaker 1: he became the starter. There were all sorts of leaders
Speaker 1: on this team, right, but even beyond that, as time
Speaker 1: kept going, you know, there were other guys that kind
Speaker 1: of assumed that role more than he had to. Now
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean he wasn't leader. I'm not saying he
Speaker 1: wasn't a leader. I'm just saying he never was. To me,
Speaker 1: it wasn't didn't seem like he was kind of the
Speaker 1: spark club like you said, Dez was that. Dez was
Speaker 1: that guy that something happened in practice and he could
Speaker 1: have in just a split moment, something could happen to
Speaker 1: where he could spark enough anger by somebody else where.
Speaker 1: Now offense and defense are going at it, and you
Speaker 1: got yourself a good spirit, remember they And there's a story.
Speaker 1: But because he used to steal our golf cart, oh
Speaker 1: go cart all the time. He would just you know,
Speaker 1: and so we were that, all right, you can have it.
Speaker 1: Your backs messed up up, and you know you can
Speaker 1: have it. Just put a helmet cam on for one
Speaker 1: practice and let's get a video out of it. He's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll do that. I stole their golf cart. I'll do it.
Speaker 1: So we put it on. He goes, you guys probably
Speaker 1: know this story, puts it on, and we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is good. We can kind of start already start
Speaker 1: to hear some of the things he's saying and like
Speaker 1: this is gonna be great, and trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how I'm going to get this on camera. But he's
Speaker 1: walking for it, go for it. I can't. He's walking
Speaker 1: out to practice and he's got it and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is cool, and we're all listen to it, and
Speaker 1: he's like, he doesn't he doesn't initialize it. He says,
Speaker 1: let's f him up today, Like I mean, just yelled
Speaker 1: it as loud as he could and he kept doing
Speaker 1: it the whole time. He probably did it on purpose.
Speaker 1: But so now we really can't use it. But but
Speaker 1: you could see in the huddles and stuff he actually
Speaker 1: has more of that leadership qualities than you didn't. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people thought it from him. So
Speaker 1: but Dak's gotta be that way. Dak's gotta be the guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've said it several times. He's he's the guy,
Speaker 1: and this offense has been you know, tailored for him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there are three things that the Cowboys can miss,
Speaker 1: and we've kind of talked around them, but I want
Speaker 1: to get definitive words to meet you guys, what you
Speaker 1: think will be the biggest void. It can be in
Speaker 1: the experience, it can be in leadership, it can be
Speaker 1: in passion. Let's go around the table. I want each
Speaker 1: you to tell me which one you think will be
Speaker 1: the biggest void that'll be left by those guys being gone. Experience, leadership,
Speaker 1: or passion. Let's start with you, Dave. Passion just and
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it's overrated because like it's fun for
Speaker 1: us to see, you know, I mean Dez and Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: Jason Jason Witten is underrated in terms of like the
Speaker 1: way he used to carry himself on the practice field.
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is now. I mean, Shaun
Speaker 1: Lee's still here for sure. I think I think Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis and Cheeto Woozier will bring an element of that.
Speaker 1: I hope Zeke brings an element of that, but I
Speaker 1: don't know for sure. And other than that, I have
Speaker 1: no idea. I mean, I don't worry about experience because
Speaker 1: like there's experience all over this team, like the whole
Speaker 1: I mean, the offensive line is experience as you want
Speaker 1: to get Zeke for being a young guy is insanely
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's all over the place. I don't
Speaker 1: care about that. And there's plenty of leaders here too.
Speaker 1: I don't know who's going to be the spark plug
Speaker 1: for this team the way thats was Garcia. But see,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go with passion just because you have I mean,
Speaker 1: these guys have to be passionate. You have so many
Speaker 1: young guys coming in playing in the NFL, playing for
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. I mean, you have to be so
Speaker 1: passionate about it and so excited and you're so new
Speaker 1: to it that you want to do your best and
Speaker 1: do well. So I would go with probably leadership, although
Speaker 1: we have the only guy thinking about it would be
Speaker 1: shun Lee that I would be like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that my eyes spark up and I admire him, you know,
Speaker 1: And we talked about Dak and all that, but I
Speaker 1: just isn't there yet. I don't know. We'll see how
Speaker 1: he does this year. But I would say I would
Speaker 1: be lacking leadership good list Derek, because I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with experience very good. So the reason for that is
Speaker 1: because especially when I look at Witton and Dez at
Speaker 1: those positions, you really have a lot of your lacking
Speaker 1: experience there and you need to be on the same
Speaker 1: page with your quarterback. So I think with those two
Speaker 1: guys you have tight ends. I mean, was it nine
Speaker 1: catches combined for all of the tight ends out there?
Speaker 1: The receivers. There's a lot of new faces there as well,
Speaker 1: and we've already seen it. These guys aren't on the
Speaker 1: same page with their quarterback. There could be some issues. Now.
Speaker 1: Now I understand that Dez and Dak, I mean that
Speaker 1: just because that he was here for eight years doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that they were on the same page. But I
Speaker 1: do think those two positions you're gonna see a lack
Speaker 1: of experience there that that's what needs to be fixed
Speaker 1: really quickly here. All right, Yeah, I'll say, you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of scaring me a little bit. It's probably
Speaker 1: second time on this show, maybe a second time ever.
Speaker 1: I'm actually agreeing with Dave on this one, mainly because
Speaker 1: because what I look at all of this, I think
Speaker 1: from the stad one, you know, rap music don't get
Speaker 1: me started. Well, the thing about it is, when you
Speaker 1: look at what this team does well What would you
Speaker 1: guys say, is the thing they do best run the ball.
Speaker 1: Run the ball, And we can talk about running the
Speaker 1: when they when they run the ball, they're really good.
Speaker 1: You're really good at getting right there. If you think
Speaker 1: about them running the ball, that's where their experience is.
Speaker 1: And so what they do best, they've got tons of experience,
Speaker 1: They've got tons of leadership there. So I think from
Speaker 1: those standpoints, I'm a little less concerned in those two areas.
Speaker 1: I'm most concerned about what happens in week two. I
Speaker 1: heard you say an amber that these are young guys,
Speaker 1: they should be excited about this opportunity. They're going to
Speaker 1: be excited. Yes, today, they're gonna be flying around. Tomorrow
Speaker 1: they're gonna be flying around. What's gonna happen like next
Speaker 1: Thursday or Friday after they've had all these days the
Speaker 1: same thing. The monotony of going to meetings, going to practice,
Speaker 1: going to walk through, going to lift weights, Like, after
Speaker 1: a while, there's a monotony that sets in. And if
Speaker 1: there isn't somebody out there that can take what is
Speaker 1: just a going through the motions and turned it into
Speaker 1: who means now you and I personally are competing because
Speaker 1: I just called you out, then you missed those opportunities
Speaker 1: of those practices turning into a really great competitive situation.
Speaker 1: Are you saying that they need to be to be passionate,
Speaker 1: They're gonna need that somebody to be that, you know,
Speaker 1: to actually get him in gear, which would be to
Speaker 1: her point of leadership, and mean maybe to my point
Speaker 1: of experience. Well, but here's the deal. I'll give you
Speaker 1: the example. I think we're all right. I think I
Speaker 1: think leadership recognizes it. I don't know if leadership always
Speaker 1: has the ability to be a spark club. Right The
Speaker 1: leaders out there may know, yeah, hey, here's a problem,
Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta pep this up, and then they say,
Speaker 1: come on, God, just pep it up. May not may
Speaker 1: not do enough to get the passion in. It's being
Speaker 1: able to literally say as we saw Witten do where
Speaker 1: he calls out of guys, says get the scrub off
Speaker 1: the field, and now the defense is like, oh, he's talking, okay, look,
Speaker 1: you know it's that kinds toes a little more pass
Speaker 1: We've seen the we've seen all of that gone to waste.
Speaker 1: Where did that take you? Well, but just because you're
Speaker 1: doing the right things, and the results don't end up
Speaker 1: being what you wanted to be. Doesn't mean you stop
Speaker 1: doing the right now, I get it. But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying it's like, Okay, clearly that went to waste great players.
Speaker 1: I mean you could have gotten des Bryant. We know
Speaker 1: he had talent. He has talent, it just wasn't It
Speaker 1: wasn't working out when we know what he could do,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately him and Tony ended up going away without
Speaker 1: you know, winning a championship. Yeah, so it's sad. It's
Speaker 1: sad to see those kind of talent being wasted and
Speaker 1: not being well used. Now you have a team, a
Speaker 1: young team that it's absolutely unknown and maybe I mean
Speaker 1: maybe was the coaching, maybe was the players. We don't
Speaker 1: know yet. We'll see once we get on the field.
Speaker 1: But this unknown makes you, I mean, you have no
Speaker 1: other way but to be excited for it and hope
Speaker 1: that it turns out the best way. Absolutely, And to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I'm more excited about this training
Speaker 1: camp that I've been about a camp in a long time,
Speaker 1: mainly because there is the unknown. You don't know who's
Speaker 1: gonna be the guy that steps up. By the time
Speaker 1: we were done with this camp, it's very real and
Speaker 1: very possible that we're talking about all these voids and
Speaker 1: very easily somebody steps into each of them. We'll find out.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's Alan Hearns, it comes out here and provides
Speaker 1: a spark plug for him. I don't know. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen him in a practice situation. Maybe it's Terence Williams.
Speaker 1: The point is we don't know all those things yet,
Speaker 1: and that's what makes this camp I think particularly exciting
Speaker 1: for me at least, and for death that you were
Speaker 1: talking about deaths and the you know, the passion that
Speaker 1: he brings and all that stuff. It's fun to watch
Speaker 1: him on the field here at practice, But what did
Speaker 1: that do during game days on the sideline? How did
Speaker 1: that affect that in the meeting rooms? As we saw
Speaker 1: that wasn't also positive thing exactly. So maybe that's just
Speaker 1: what Dad needed, you know, a little silence, Let me
Speaker 1: focus on the game, let me watch this little thing
Speaker 1: on the iPad, Let me figure out what I need
Speaker 1: to do and get on the game. Don't need anyone
Speaker 1: yelling at my ears, you know. Although it was it
Speaker 1: came from a good heart, but maybe that's the change
Speaker 1: it needed to happen. You know, I think I think
Speaker 1: with Dez, the thing that made him so great is
Speaker 1: the thing that made him kind of a pain in
Speaker 1: the ass sometimes. I mean it was that it was
Speaker 1: that emotion. Maybe make that's I don't know you can
Speaker 1: say the same for Witten. But I mean, you know
Speaker 1: there's a chance that this, you know, this offense can
Speaker 1: be And you guys actually said it more in the
Speaker 1: offseason I think than I did. But but I'm coming
Speaker 1: around a little bit. I think this team can be
Speaker 1: a little bit more balanced than they were, um maybe
Speaker 1: without Witting, you know, just because that's the hope, just
Speaker 1: because of you can you you can do more things,
Speaker 1: and you could probably be more vertical, you know, in
Speaker 1: your in your passing game with him and and and
Speaker 1: just have different guys out there. I mean, I was
Speaker 1: still playing at a at a pretty high level. So
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to replace Production or Witten. Oh well,
Speaker 1: I mean there's too I mean, this team's don't think
Speaker 1: is the best wide receiver was the best receiver on
Speaker 1: the team. I think we did agree on that, I
Speaker 1: and that maybe we got to see more from Buttons
Speaker 1: from Herns, but but I honestly, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know if I would say where Dez is at this
Speaker 1: point in his career, um if if he is a
Speaker 1: better player than what Alan Hearns is, I'm not certain
Speaker 1: about that. We will find that out, all right, Let's
Speaker 1: take our final break. When we come back, we got
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about David Irvy. That was
Speaker 1: another part of the press conference yesterday that completely shocked me,
Speaker 1: and so I want to see if it shocked you
Speaker 1: as well, when when Jerry mentioned that they didn't expect
Speaker 1: to see him out at all here at all during
Speaker 1: training camp. So we'll talk a little bit about that
Speaker 1: and talk about how that affects this defensive line, particularly
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle position. That when we come right back.
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Speaker 1: each day let's talk a little bit about David Irving.
Speaker 1: We found out yesterday in the pre US conference. Um
Speaker 1: Jerry made the comment we don't really expect to see
Speaker 1: him out here during training camp speaking of David Irving
Speaker 1: and I I did a double take, and Brian was
Speaker 1: right in front of me, and he did the same
Speaker 1: thing I did. Like, somebody followed that up and say,
Speaker 1: are you saying he's not coming at all? That was
Speaker 1: a bit of a shock for me. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys saw it as such or you kind
Speaker 1: of had heard things before, but straight to the tent
Speaker 1: news yea nake to cuff running, I'm like, what just happened? Like,
Speaker 1: was there a fires and the like? Can I be
Speaker 1: a douche contrarian for the third time on this show? Sure?
Speaker 1: Why not? You are? I didn't. I I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to act like I'm smarter than everybody
Speaker 1: in the room. Like I didn't know that, and I
Speaker 1: didn't know that, but like I wasn't surprised at all.
Speaker 1: Well that's no, it's it's not a matter of being
Speaker 1: surprised you anymore at all. I mean, he's not gonna
Speaker 1: surprise That's what that's that's the point I'm trying to
Speaker 1: make it like to this, like David Irving's reputation at
Speaker 1: this point is like unpredictability and is unreliability a word? Yeah,
Speaker 1: sure you can't on him, So like it was new information,
Speaker 1: but I was just like, oh yeah, I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: well makes sense. Like literally, the last time we talked
Speaker 1: to David Irving in June, he was like, I'm good. No,
Speaker 1: well he would he said, he he did say he
Speaker 1: was good, but he was also like, I got a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on in my life that y'all
Speaker 1: don't even know about it, and like it just sounded
Speaker 1: like that, like exactly, he's just like man like and
Speaker 1: you know the you know them, the domestic violence allegations,
Speaker 1: which you know were recanted and the league said he's
Speaker 1: not gonna face punishment, but he was like, he's like,
Speaker 1: that's the least, that's the smallest problem in my life.
Speaker 1: And I was like, if that's the smallest problem in
Speaker 1: your life, you got some stuff going on, my guy.
Speaker 1: So again, I'm not surprised. I mean, I was surprised
Speaker 1: to hear that, but like in the grand scheme of things,
Speaker 1: I'm just like yeah, okay, that's David Irving at this point.
Speaker 1: The thing about him is that he's done this before. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, he's been suspended four games. He comes in
Speaker 1: and it just starts making plays. I mean, he played
Speaker 1: eight games last year and got seven sacks. How many
Speaker 1: linemen in the league are doing that? Literally, like Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald and not a lot of other people. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have fifteen sacks. Did he have fifteen sacks last year
Speaker 1: in sixteen games? Oh no, But I'm like something like that.
Speaker 1: He's a he's a defensive tackle who can produce sacks
Speaker 1: like that, and so and so. Yes, it's easy to
Speaker 1: sit there and everyone does it and go cut him take,
Speaker 1: you know, and just just let him go. But he
Speaker 1: doesn't count as a roster spot. He's he's losing his
Speaker 1: own money, you know, by by by being suspended. And
Speaker 1: I think that he'll probably come in in week five.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's gonna look like because he's
Speaker 1: not getting any work out here, but he's gonna come
Speaker 1: in Week five, maybe he plays, maybe not week six,
Speaker 1: he'll probably be making a sack. That's that's what's That's
Speaker 1: what kind of sucks about it is I see, I'll
Speaker 1: be curious because this time last year I wrote him
Speaker 1: off because he was suspended, and he came out and
Speaker 1: played great when he was available. I can't I get it.
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying, but like, he's not gonna
Speaker 1: pray that's gonna be that, it's gonna be different here,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna do and we solve this offseason. When
Speaker 1: he's not with the team. He looks like a defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: way more like a defensive tackle than what he looked
Speaker 1: like last year. So he I mean, what what will
Speaker 1: he look like? But I can I mean, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are just gonna look at it like we know what
Speaker 1: we've already. I think I think those restricted restricted money
Speaker 1: is guaranteed, but I don't know what happens if you
Speaker 1: get suspended in the middle of it. But it just
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to cut him. Does it make you
Speaker 1: think at this point that there is a better shot
Speaker 1: of him actually being on this team beyond twenty eighteen?
Speaker 1: The reason why I say that, well, we'll need to
Speaker 1: tell why I say that is because, um, under these circumstances,
Speaker 1: it's I think you're hard pressed to assume, no matter
Speaker 1: what happens, that he could go out and command anything
Speaker 1: significant in free agency. Um, if if this becomes an
Speaker 1: unrestrictive free agent, and knowing how this team operates, if
Speaker 1: if a guy shows that he really has gone out
Speaker 1: and done something to h to take care of the
Speaker 1: issues that he may be dealing with. Let's say, for example,
Speaker 1: he goes to rehab and he can get himself right,
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys feel good that he's on the right path.
Speaker 1: Then if the money then becomes cheap and you feel
Speaker 1: like he's on the right path, and let's not just
Speaker 1: overlook the fact that the guy has talent. When he
Speaker 1: comes out there and plays, and when he's available to play,
Speaker 1: he actually has made a significant number of plays for
Speaker 1: this team. So that all being said, do you think
Speaker 1: that with this latest issue that maybe if he can
Speaker 1: get himself right, there's a better chance that he ends
Speaker 1: up being here than otherwise. I don't. I mean, if
Speaker 1: he gets himself right, yes, but I think it's maybe
Speaker 1: too late for that. It's you don't want a guy
Speaker 1: that brings those kind of problems and he creates a
Speaker 1: problem with the group. Within the group your teammates. You know,
Speaker 1: you want to make sure you're playing next to a
Speaker 1: guy that you can rely on and that it's bringing
Speaker 1: something positive, not a guy that keeps falling back, you know,
Speaker 1: and doing those kinds of things. And he's absolutely sad
Speaker 1: because I love David Irvan, I love his personality, I
Speaker 1: love the way he plays, but it's just a waste,
Speaker 1: you know, you can't have those kinds of things. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm the first person that has said Randy
Speaker 1: Gregor will not play another snap for the Cowboys. That's
Speaker 1: just what I've said that. Um, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I believe that anymore. He's made a lot more strides
Speaker 1: than I ever thought he would now he's still got
Speaker 1: a few more hurdles to go. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: like it's definitely gonna happen. Um. But that being said,
Speaker 1: it's hard for me, I guess just right off David Irving,
Speaker 1: But I just don't see all those if if if
Speaker 1: if if if if next year, that's a lot of things.
Speaker 1: I don't know him see it. For him not to
Speaker 1: be here, I think it's really big. I think it's
Speaker 1: a big deal. Yeah, what what's more important than this? Really?
Speaker 1: I mean, what what is I know, you've got a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on but I mean what just
Speaker 1: being signed this year was like another chance to me.
Speaker 1: You know, he was already suspended last year. Well there, chill,
Speaker 1: that's the part Bennett had got it, I got you know,
Speaker 1: it's his mental health and his family, I guess are
Speaker 1: more important than this. But the fact that the fact
Speaker 1: that he couldn't get all that together in a timely
Speaker 1: fashion in order to be a training camp, it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a troubling continuation of a pattern. Which yeah, no,
Speaker 1: Nick's completely right, Like I'm not writing anything off. Just
Speaker 1: basically the fact that Randy Gregory is in camp at all, yeah,
Speaker 1: means I'm not writing anything off. But I have a
Speaker 1: hard time seeing the Cowboys wanting to marry themselves to
Speaker 1: David Irving for any significant length of time, like if
Speaker 1: if they want to do another one year deal with
Speaker 1: him next year and you know, if he plays well
Speaker 1: or whatever. Mate, But you know, nothing that has happened
Speaker 1: so far leads me to believe that this is a
Speaker 1: guy that you want to like build your defense around,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, so, looking at the
Speaker 1: overall look of the defensive tackle position, Malik Collins starts
Speaker 1: training camp on NFI you got David Irving not here.
Speaker 1: Those are two guys you would project as your starters
Speaker 1: at defensive tackle if you were making this assessment back
Speaker 1: in March. That being sid where do they currently stand
Speaker 1: at the defitsive tackle position. This is a huge opportunity
Speaker 1: for Dayton Jones and Jihad Ward. They already got a
Speaker 1: lot of opportunities in the spring because they were You're
Speaker 1: starting the tackles because for the same reasons, they have
Speaker 1: an awesome chance to showcase themselves and one of them
Speaker 1: is probably going to be a starter on day one.
Speaker 1: I actually was talking with Brian about that yesterday. As
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of debate about whether you
Speaker 1: play mo Leaque at the three or the one, and
Speaker 1: what you decide to do with him could probably dictate
Speaker 1: what you do with your other tackle because Jihad Ward's
Speaker 1: more of a three technique and Dayton Jones is more
Speaker 1: of a one right now, so you can kind of
Speaker 1: play around with that, and it's all I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a big opportunity for guys like Brian Price, Lewis, Neil
Speaker 1: Richard ashe Goodness, who's the other Daniel Ross. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's you know, no offense to those guys. It's certainly
Speaker 1: not a who's who of like blue chip talent, but
Speaker 1: they're going to have a chance to make the team
Speaker 1: that they might not have had before. And I really
Speaker 1: think that coney eally is going to factor into that
Speaker 1: position as well. I just think he will be a
Speaker 1: better option than Tyrone Crawford to move inside, uh Taco
Speaker 1: or any of those guys to move inside. I think
Speaker 1: you're if it depends on what you get with Gregory,
Speaker 1: but that's another guy on the outside. Got Tyrone Crawford
Speaker 1: was slimmed down. Looks really good, you know, regardless of
Speaker 1: what Madden thinks him, he actually looks good. I mean
Speaker 1: there's a there's there's some conversation on the internet too
Speaker 1: that maybe you flop Tyrone back to tackle, like he's
Speaker 1: gonna need to eat cheeseburgers every day for a month
Speaker 1: to play tackle the mad and they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: call him back. Yeah, like you were right? Did you
Speaker 1: delete that because I mean, it ain't it ain't happening, which, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: And I'm cony Eely. My gosh, he's a massive dude.
Speaker 1: He's a big boy, So I mean, yeah, that's certainly
Speaker 1: to me, like Jay Ratliffe in that of like something's wrong,
Speaker 1: like he looks mad. You know, he's good with that.
Speaker 1: I know he's got bad intentions. It's like that's good.
Speaker 1: But he's actually he's he's a very nice in person,
Speaker 1: Unlike Jay Jay was kind. I mean all the time.
Speaker 1: It's not like all the time. It was like ten
Speaker 1: percent of the time when you catch him on a
Speaker 1: day when he was where he was in a good mood.
Speaker 1: That one year when he was going for a contract,
Speaker 1: he was really nice. Was that whole Like that year
Speaker 1: you can catch caught him a lot of times he
Speaker 1: was in a really good move. He engaged ESPN NFL
Speaker 1: Live where you know, we're going to the Valley Ranch
Speaker 1: with Jay Ratliff, and he'd been doing an interview and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not straight up afraid of a lot of cowboys
Speaker 1: like I was afraid of Jay Ratliffe, Like I never
Speaker 1: met to meet your so underwoods. No I did not,
Speaker 1: I didn't meet him. Yeah, there's there's a little bit
Speaker 1: to be afraid of this spellman. Yeah, allan, Yeah, we've
Speaker 1: had we've had good We've had good luck in my
Speaker 1: time here. Like for the vast majority of these guys
Speaker 1: are super nice dudes, and even like Orlando Scandrick was
Speaker 1: meaning like a fun way, like you know, kind of needling.
Speaker 1: You know, like Jay Ratliffe just straight up scared the
Speaker 1: crap out of him. And you know what, he scared
Speaker 1: offensive linemen too, because he was undersized player that they
Speaker 1: put at the one in the three four defense who
Speaker 1: just made four Pro Bowls. Up. Keep that guy, no, hey,
Speaker 1: you know he always reminded me of like I mean,
Speaker 1: when you think of like in our generation of like
Speaker 1: you know, eighties and nineties, who's the greatest rebounder that
Speaker 1: you can remember in the NBA. Rodman was six to
Speaker 1: eight and kind of skinny. Yeah, but crazy, just crazy,
Speaker 1: like sometimes the crazy that's what does He's good at times.
Speaker 1: I mean, ron oar Test was pretty good. He was crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Yeah, No, we need yeah, who's crazy? Crazy?
Speaker 1: Got some crazies out here. So there's one one. I
Speaker 1: just I just see Rico. That's the first guy, number
Speaker 1: number fifty over there. It's very good at being crazy
Speaker 1: within the lines of the football field everywhere else. All right, Listen,
Speaker 1: this this is one thing I think that that I
Speaker 1: think I'm most concerned about when you talk about the
Speaker 1: defensive tackle position. Um, I think what made DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: continue to have success throughout the year last year was
Speaker 1: that there were other guys at different moments that would
Speaker 1: get some pressure, so that it just at least kind
Speaker 1: of balanced things out a little bit. I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit concerned if you don't have some of these guys
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, MALIEK. Collins, David Irving, I'm a little bit
Speaker 1: concerned where that pressure is going to come from on
Speaker 1: that defensive line that's not taken so that teams, Oh, well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go finish your thought or I'm gonna talk
Speaker 1: about hold on before we get at the point of
Speaker 1: my question. Let's get an update though on the leak. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gonna let's not bury MALIEK. Collins, Like, for as
Speaker 1: far as I understand it, he will be practicing at
Speaker 1: some point during camp, right, So it's coming back that that,
Speaker 1: and and he's also proven as a rookie that he
Speaker 1: could do that come off the same pretty much the
Speaker 1: same type of injury and still be productive. I know
Speaker 1: you have a theory and you're not wrong that when
Speaker 1: you guys miss training camp, they're really not the same.
Speaker 1: He was one of those exceptions for the rule. Let's
Speaker 1: see if he can do it again. I still think
Speaker 1: he needs to be playing at the three. I agree
Speaker 1: that's where he's a better play. How many injuries can
Speaker 1: you have of the same kind and comes four? Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: To the point of what you were saying, Nick, though,
Speaker 1: if if you don't have David Irving, then maybe he
Speaker 1: is the option that you push back to three because
Speaker 1: he may be your best penetrating type defensive tackle that's
Speaker 1: gonna be on somebody to prove themselves as a capable one.
Speaker 1: Whether it's daytoned, I think it's I think he was playing.
Speaker 1: He was playing, in my opinion, really really well when
Speaker 1: he got hurt last year, and I don't think he
Speaker 1: got as much credit, which out of one technique you
Speaker 1: don't need, you don't necessarily get all that credit. But
Speaker 1: I thought he was a guy that could get a
Speaker 1: little pressure at times, he could collapse the pocket at times,
Speaker 1: and I thought he held up pretty good, and you know,
Speaker 1: and on the on the line to make sure they
Speaker 1: weren't just getting blasted. These huge holes weren't happening when
Speaker 1: he was out there. When did they get Daytone Jones
Speaker 1: last year. Last Yeah, during the season. Man, this could
Speaker 1: be a Mark Colombo. Guy's been around a little bit.
Speaker 1: Get him late and he comes in, give him the
Speaker 1: whole off season. Guy has talent, he fits. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is the quintessential Will McClay edition. Like he was
Speaker 1: a high draft pick. Didn't work out where he was
Speaker 1: I think it was Green Bay maybe, yeah, make that up.
Speaker 1: I don't remember, but Brian Price was that way. No,
Speaker 1: but but Dayton Jones was either a first or second
Speaker 1: round pick. Like, I mean, he was a talent and big,
Speaker 1: you know, put me on a spot. I was sorry,
Speaker 1: he's probably in his third year, right, No, I think
Speaker 1: he's this was in Was this in the era of
Speaker 1: the Draft Show when you won the Draft Show? No,
Speaker 1: it was not. Okay, Uh, you've only been here at
Speaker 1: Green Bay twenty sixth overall pick with Green Bay. So
Speaker 1: I was pretty much right. I was pretty much right. Um,
Speaker 1: And so I mean, like I said it, Will McClay
Speaker 1: loves to get those type of guys. Jehad Ward was
Speaker 1: another one. They loved him at the Senior Bowl. They
Speaker 1: traded for him. Probably got picked too high with Oakland.
Speaker 1: He was forty fourth overall. I think their grade was
Speaker 1: like third or fourth round. Uh. So they liked these
Speaker 1: guys and they're they're talented players. Uh and we've seen
Speaker 1: this work out really well at times before I know,
Speaker 1: I mean he was speaking of crazy, but they got
Speaker 1: a pretty good season out of Rolando McClean when they
Speaker 1: brought him in in a similar circumstance. Um, I know
Speaker 1: they've done it with somebody else, but I'm drawing a
Speaker 1: blank right now. Jonathan Cooper. I mean, you know it
Speaker 1: didn't get to a Pro Bowl, but top ten pick
Speaker 1: who started and and acquitted himself pretty well on the
Speaker 1: defensive line. Other guy that they did that with, Leonard Davis, Yeah,
Speaker 1: top pick that came out. I think he got here
Speaker 1: and played a lot better than he'd be that that
Speaker 1: was a parcels um theory that he actually got from.
Speaker 1: I think Tom Landry, Well, it might have been both.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, but I'm just saying at
Speaker 1: some point somebody thought this guy, come, no, you know
Speaker 1: who that was. I think it was Al Davis did
Speaker 1: he said he got that from. But anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 1: It's it's something that they they love doing that, Like
Speaker 1: you got a lot of talent. It didn't work out
Speaker 1: where you were, come try it out here. It has
Speaker 1: worked out really well at times. It definitely hasn't always
Speaker 1: worked out. There have been some guys that they cut um,
Speaker 1: but hey, yeah, like they're gonna have the opportunity because
Speaker 1: the preferred starters are not capable of playing right now,
Speaker 1: so it's on them to Jones on four teams last season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that Vikings, Vikings, Lions, Niners, and Cowboys. Everybody's trying to find.
Speaker 1: Everybody's trying to find what's actually impressive what he was.
Speaker 1: If you've got the talent that gets you drafted in
Speaker 1: the first round, you're gonna get opportunities in cases. I
Speaker 1: always say this in the NBA. These guys, he didn't
Speaker 1: even know who that is. Ron Mercer him drafted. He
Speaker 1: was in Kentucky, like fifth or sixth overall pick. I
Speaker 1: played only fourteen teams because everybody kind of thinks, you know,
Speaker 1: we can fix this guy. Clifton Gethers. He's about six eight.
Speaker 1: It's like, look the defensive end and everybody had him
Speaker 1: for a little bit and it's just like I've got
Speaker 1: to get this guy. Our coaches will fix him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will say this about Dayton Jones, he's here. All
Speaker 1: those other teams he wasn't with him in the offseason.
Speaker 1: Offseason Rod Marinelli's he's considered to be one of the
Speaker 1: best defensive line coaches. Work your magic. This is a
Speaker 1: guy that has talent, he's got experience, he's got size,
Speaker 1: he's got what you're looking forward to her now, he's
Speaker 1: got some stability and more than anything, he's got an opportunity.
Speaker 1: So all right, we appreciate you guys joining us. We
Speaker 1: will be back tomorrow. We'll be talking more about what's
Speaker 1: going to happen out here today. The Cowboys have their
Speaker 1: first practice this afternoon. It will be at three forty
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