Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Hello, Liz Sarn. How you doing. I'm good. How are
Speaker 2: you doing? I'm doing? Okay. I got a question for you. Yes,
Speaker 2: do you like this hat? Yes? Thank you. I got
Speaker 2: another question for you yes, did the shoes go with
Speaker 2: the hat? No? Okay. Third question that it's ridiculous I do.
Speaker 2: It's not a mashup because you finally broke it. You're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I got one, that it's the end.
Speaker 3: So did you know that until nineteen ninety six the
Speaker 3: British government considered bagpipes a weapon of war.
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised. I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: But it all goes back to Cullawdon right, oh wow, Yeah,
Speaker 3: everything goes back.
Speaker 2: With the Scots in the English.
Speaker 3: Right, And so the Brits captured a Scottish piper and
Speaker 3: you know, convicted him of treason and said that the
Speaker 3: weapon he was carrying the pipes. And because you know,
Speaker 3: the bagpipes are used to wrap I mean you can
Speaker 3: hear for souper far.
Speaker 2: Away, and they make good for both scaring and for
Speaker 2: organized organizing your keys exactly.
Speaker 3: And it's like when you're used to hearing the sound
Speaker 3: if it's not super jarring to you. Then it is
Speaker 3: like rousing and it's stirring, and.
Speaker 2: It can be all that, you know, how you play it.
Speaker 3: It's basically it's what you make of it. And so anyway,
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six, this dude was in Hampstead Heath in
Speaker 3: London and he wouldn't stop playing the bagpipes.
Speaker 2: That's a big public place too to be doing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and all the neighbors were like, oh, stop because
Speaker 3: some people.
Speaker 2: Really hate pipes.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and so and I don't know what time
Speaker 3: of day he was playing these things, so maybe it
Speaker 3: was like early in the morning, but either way, so
Speaker 3: he's playing these pipes and then he gets busted with
Speaker 3: his fine for disturbing the peace. But then his lawyer
Speaker 3: points out that that decision in seventeen forty six declaring it,
Speaker 3: you know, a weapon of war was never overturned, so
Speaker 3: he couldn't be charged with an eighteen nineties by law
Speaker 3: of disturbing the piece with a musical instrument because it
Speaker 3: was actually a weapon of war. And so then it's like, well,
Speaker 3: the you know, the magistrates will wait a second, So then.
Speaker 2: Are you carrying the weapon of war?
Speaker 3: A dangerous weapon instead of so it goes back and forth,
Speaker 3: back and forth, he winds up. They write a new
Speaker 3: law that in times of war it's a weapon of war,
Speaker 3: times of peace, it's a musical instrument. And he had
Speaker 3: to pay the fines for annoying.
Speaker 2: Do you at least get his name attached to the law.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Ah, you got to get your
Speaker 2: name attached to that law.
Speaker 3: Come on, not when you've got a piper, dude.
Speaker 2: And that is ridiculous. That is definitely ridiculous.
Speaker 4: No, it is.
Speaker 2: That's what I told you about. That's the ridiculous. Well,
Speaker 2: imagine you're some badass rock star. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: have to imagine. Okay, yeah, so keep that energy now.
Speaker 2: I imagine that you're the kind of guy the girl
Speaker 2: who snarls at pop razzi. And also you're the kind
Speaker 2: of rock star like kicks their own fans oh right,
Speaker 2: and like you're the kind whose own band hates him, right,
Speaker 2: And then like you get arrested at a bar in
Speaker 2: Canada and for being a douchebag, and everyone's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: everyone loves it. Okay, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 5: That is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: This is ridiculous crime. My podcast about absurd and outrageous capabis,
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Speaker 2: Ridiculous Elizabeth. Today, I want to talk to you about J. S. Bach,
Speaker 2: the Canadian American rock star. Wait, got my notes mixed up?
Speaker 2: I mean sp Bach as in Sebastian Philip Bach, Yes,
Speaker 2: leads singer of the band skid Row. I loved that band.
Speaker 2: Back to the idea, Oh my god, this is a
Speaker 2: huge fan for real, did you really? I know you
Speaker 2: love guns and roses. So this is like too far afield,
Speaker 2: but it's way more of that.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 2: So I was gonna I had like looked up song
Speaker 2: titles to jar your memory. You can be singing lyrics
Speaker 2: back then? I yes, I am. Oh wow. So then okay,
Speaker 2: fun fact, do you know that Sebastian Bach is a
Speaker 2: stage name that I didn't know? Wow? I got something
Speaker 2: in that. Okay, so he was makes sense? Yeah, of
Speaker 2: course he was born in Sebastian, but he was not
Speaker 2: born a Bach. He was born a Berk. B I
Speaker 2: E r k y kind of ringing the bells. Sebastian
Speaker 2: Philip Berk born in the Bahamas in April nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 2: Family soon moved to what would become his hometown of Peterborough, Ontario.
Speaker 2: Remember that town name. It'll come up again later. What
Speaker 2: do you know of Sebastian Bach? You like, just when
Speaker 2: you think of him beyond like, oh, he's got that
Speaker 2: great you know, I don't know voic hair hair. I
Speaker 2: don't think I know that he's a total jerk. Yes,
Speaker 2: he has a total Did he do like reality tea? Lately?
Speaker 2: He's been really acting on Broadway.
Speaker 3: I saw a video not too long ago on Instagram
Speaker 3: of him drunk singing in like a hotel that sounds right,
Speaker 3: at a conference for and I'm not sure what it
Speaker 3: was for, and I just didn't have a heart to
Speaker 3: open it up and really look at it.
Speaker 2: Well, that sounds about right. Yeah. So the band skied
Speaker 2: Row your favorite. Their first album, upon eponymously titled skid Row,
Speaker 2: was came out in nineteen eighty nine. Uh huh and uh.
Speaker 2: They followed that up with Slave to the Grind, came
Speaker 2: out in nineteen ninety one, sophomore album. Both of those
Speaker 2: huge hits multi platinum. Yeah. Right, And so let's just
Speaker 2: go over some song titles eighteen in life. That was
Speaker 2: like the Yeah, that was I loved it. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: do you remember I remember you? Yeah? That was the
Speaker 2: power ballad. Hey, there you go. Yeah. They were both
Speaker 2: like Billboard Hot one hundreds, Oh yeah, the heavy MTV rotation, yes, yes, okay,
Speaker 2: monkey business that one worked. Yeah, I can't remember that
Speaker 2: kind of youth gone wild. Oh yeah yeah. The other
Speaker 2: title hit Slave to the Grind, Yeah, that was the title,
Speaker 2: and then like A Wasted Time that's another power ballot.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I figured i'd bring up I wanted to range experience.
Speaker 2: So their third album, sub Human Race, that came out
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety five. I don't know anything about that.
Speaker 2: Critics liked it, some loved it. Fans were like, nah,
Speaker 2: because Brune, it happened years past the point of Grind
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, oh, skid Row is still making music.
Speaker 2: That's wild. I had no interest, but that's interesting. So
Speaker 2: at this point there's still alive. Yeah exactly. That marked
Speaker 2: the beginning of them playing like state and county fairs.
Speaker 2: Later on they would be doing reunion tours, but it
Speaker 2: was all like that was their future, right, Let's don't
Speaker 2: talk about the rough years, at least not yet let's
Speaker 2: talk about the fun beginning the early years. From what
Speaker 2: I understand, John bon Jovi is to blame for skid row.
Speaker 2: I mean I did, I can't, but like it is
Speaker 2: his fault. Yeah, I think, aren't the rest of them
Speaker 2: from New Jersey? Yes, I didn't know this. So the
Speaker 2: band was coming up, everyone knew it, who knew them,
Speaker 2: and everyone in the music industry on the East Coast,
Speaker 2: specifically in the New York, New Jersey area and include Philly.
Speaker 2: I guess they could see that they were on the
Speaker 2: cusp of breaking right. Everyone's like, oh my god, they're
Speaker 2: so close to success. And then that's when their boat
Speaker 2: begins to sink. Right when they're just you know, within
Speaker 2: view of the coast, the boat begins to sink. And
Speaker 2: then at this point steps in bad Boy of New Jersey,
Speaker 2: John bon Jovi, John bon Giovy. Yes. Well, first it
Speaker 2: was his parents, John bon Jovi's dad, John Bonjovy, a senior,
Speaker 2: a barber, and former marine, and his lovely wife Carol
Speaker 2: bon Govy, who was coincidentally also a former marine, but
Speaker 2: also a former playboy Bunny Wait. John bon Jovi's mom
Speaker 2: was a playboy bunny Yes, Anna Marine and later a florist.
Speaker 2: This is fantastic, assuming Carol had stories. Carol, Yeah, yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 2: they're together at a wedding, Carol and John bon Jovi
Speaker 2: Senior and the rock photographer Mark Weis is getting betrothed.
Speaker 2: So he's there and he's got a young Sebastian Box
Speaker 2: singing at the reception, and John bon Jovi's parents are impressed,
Speaker 2: and they were like, you know, our sons in the
Speaker 2: music business, and you should call him. In fact, you
Speaker 2: should call his friend Dave Sabo. He needs a singer
Speaker 2: for his band. Have you ever been to New Jersey? So, Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: you don't know this. Dave Sabo was the original guitarist
Speaker 2: for the band of a little band called bon Jovi. Okay.
Speaker 2: He was later replaced by Richie Sambora, who everybody knows. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's a cowboy on a steel horse. He right, exactly.
Speaker 2: So Dave Sabo was John bon Jovi's childhood friend. They
Speaker 2: grew up in the same hood in New Jersey. They
Speaker 2: went way back, right, So anyway, young Sebastian Bach he
Speaker 2: does as John bon Jovi's parents tell him to do.
Speaker 2: He rings Dave Sabo and the band is like, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: you should come out to New Jersey. We're having tryouts.
Speaker 2: And Sebastian Bok's like, okay, I'll be there amen. So
Speaker 2: he flies out to New Jersey from Canada. He does
Speaker 2: his killer audition, apparently because skid Row offers him the job.
Speaker 2: So they're like, you nailed it, kid. Nineteen eighty seven,
Speaker 2: Sebastian Bach joins the band. He's the new lead singer.
Speaker 2: Now they're breack headed for success. Yeah right, soon enough,
Speaker 2: he's now the face of the band because the lead
Speaker 2: singer is gonna be the face of the band. So
Speaker 2: it's their band and they hire this kid and he
Speaker 2: becomes the face of the band, and the band it
Speaker 2: does indeed blow up. In nineteen eighty nine, band drops
Speaker 2: their debut album, The skid Row Huge Hit, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2: A little while back, Sebastian Bach he had dropped a memoir.
Speaker 2: He looked back at those heady days of the rock
Speaker 2: stardom in the late eighties and early nineties. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: wistfully remembering like, oh, it's so great you could get
Speaker 2: drugs anywhere time. Yeah, exactly. I had all these teams
Speaker 2: of lawyers. So he also brought up his feud with
Speaker 2: John bon Jovi, the man whose parents started his career
Speaker 2: because they got into a feud once he was a star.
Speaker 2: So Jo not know that. I didn't either. John bon
Speaker 2: Jovi was critical to skid row success everything, and I
Speaker 2: also remember the band his childhood frame band. So he's
Speaker 2: gonna be a protective of the band. And now they've
Speaker 2: got this like full of themselves Canadian hair metal kid
Speaker 2: like I'm the band. So the band's about to drop
Speaker 2: their debut album. John bon Jovi goes, I'm gonna help
Speaker 2: them out, so let's take them out on the road.
Speaker 2: They can open for bon Jovi. That'll be a huge boost. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So they're doing their nineteen eighty eight, nineteen eighty nine
Speaker 2: and New Jersey Syndicate tour. I'm not sure if you
Speaker 2: remember this. No I don't. I didn't know. The story
Speaker 2: goes skid Row's opening for John bon Jovi and it's
Speaker 2: going well, perhaps too well. The band's album comes out,
Speaker 2: fans coming out to see John bon jovire and suddenly
Speaker 2: folks coming out to see skid Row the opener. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that because a little tension between the bands, you know,
Speaker 2: and then also apparently the merch numbers shift and John
Speaker 2: bon Jovi's band, it's as much Merchant skid Row. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I find it all kind of hard
Speaker 2: to believe in that part of the telling. What I
Speaker 2: do believe is it in nineteen eighty nine, while they're
Speaker 2: watching the stratospheric rise of skid Row, it goes to
Speaker 2: Sebastian box Head. That's why I hear what happened? Well,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think too, what is it eight?
Speaker 3: I don't know what album on Jovi was supporting with
Speaker 3: the tour, but I feel like at this point like
Speaker 3: they had peaked.
Speaker 2: Yes they were, They were definitely crush.
Speaker 3: And he's like just about to go into a solo career, right,
Speaker 3: like I think pretty much, yeah, and so yeah, it's
Speaker 3: just then you get like and and skid Row. We're
Speaker 3: super MTV ready, Yes, you know, like it was.
Speaker 2: And there they don't know it, but the whole window
Speaker 2: on this rock music is very quickly closed. They got
Speaker 2: two years essentially. Yeah, that's it, and then it'll be
Speaker 2: nobody wants you what you're doing anymore?
Speaker 4: Exactly you and rat you know, so one night, sure
Speaker 4: warrant and get in.
Speaker 2: At this point, Sebastian Bach though doesn't know this, so
Speaker 2: success has gone to his head. An old sea bass
Speaker 2: starts to piss off his fellow front man John bon Jovi.
Speaker 2: One night after their set, John bon Jovi comes over
Speaker 2: to the skid Row dressing room and, as Sebastian Bach
Speaker 2: tells it, he stared me down and said the words
Speaker 2: I'll own you. So another big you know potty.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: After that, bon jovin skid Row had beef right. So
Speaker 2: later on in the tour, the stage crew for bon
Speaker 2: Jovi starts allegedly throwing milk all over Sebastian Bak just
Speaker 2: before he's supposed to go out on stage, right, so
Speaker 2: he's covered in melt. I don't know. Yeah, So he
Speaker 2: goes out on stage anyway because he's like, I'll show
Speaker 2: you guys, and then he launches into this rant about
Speaker 2: what a bunch of posers bon Jovi are and the headliners,
Speaker 2: and he calls the lead singer, John Bond blow me
Speaker 2: to all the fames in front of a fans who
Speaker 2: came to see bon Jovi well drenched and trenched him out.
Speaker 2: As Newton would tell you, Isaac Newton, every action has
Speaker 2: a reaction. Is on stage rant against bon Jovi at
Speaker 2: their show led to a New Jersey sized reaction, not
Speaker 2: the state, like I'm from New Jersey and this is
Speaker 2: what's gonna be the reaction. So back to Sebastian Bach.
Speaker 2: We saw about sixty people coming towards us. They're backstage,
Speaker 2: crowd of sixty people in the back just coming at them.
Speaker 2: Leading the charge of this road crew and pissed off
Speaker 2: like people is former marine John bon Jovic, followed closely
Speaker 2: by his son, John bon Jovi Junior. John bon Jovi
Speaker 2: Junior marches right up to Sebastian Bak and he gets
Speaker 2: in his face and he shouts, I heard what you
Speaker 2: said on my stage, and then he threw a punch,
Speaker 2: but his punch was poorly aimed and it missed wide
Speaker 2: of his target apparently. And now before frontman on frontman
Speaker 2: violence can go any and get get any bigger and
Speaker 2: get any uglier, the road crew grabs Sebastian Bach and
Speaker 2: slams them up against the wall. There's between these Oh yeah, definitely,
Speaker 2: he's much taller than John bon Jovi. I don't know
Speaker 2: how he could get in his face, you know, he
Speaker 2: got in his chest. So anyway, the road crew now
Speaker 2: was like holding him up against the wall and maybe
Speaker 2: getting like something for John bon Jovi to stand on
Speaker 2: and get in his face again. Yeah so, but the
Speaker 2: at this point, you know, they're also just mad. He
Speaker 2: like dared not to get hit by an initial pro right.
Speaker 2: So meanwhile, the former marine daddy bon John Job, he
Speaker 2: shoves an angry figure in Sebastian Bok's face and he
Speaker 2: starts shouting at him. Right, according to Sebastian Bar, there's
Speaker 2: Carolyn All, she's being reasonable, she's just working on a caress.
Speaker 2: She's calling in the big guns. She's pulling a carmelo.
Speaker 2: The phone rings at the bottom bank. Yeah. So Sebastian Bach,
Speaker 2: who was there, tells us bon Jovi Senior pointed in
Speaker 2: my face as I was held against the wall, and
Speaker 2: he said I'll kill you or something like that. So
Speaker 2: after everybody's getting all their potty mouth anger out after
Speaker 2: that encounter Sebastian Bach versus John bon Jovi, the feud
Speaker 2: simmers for another decade, right until two thousand and six.
Speaker 2: They meet in a London bar. They hug it out
Speaker 2: like bros. They say, man, let's put the pass behind it.
Speaker 2: How could you bite the hand that feeds you? Like
Speaker 2: that where you like, do not know dad hooks?
Speaker 3: She was yes, and then like how uncomfortable it makes
Speaker 3: it in the band because like his band made.
Speaker 2: Yeah your friend exactly. Yeah, I didn't know any of
Speaker 2: that dynamic about the band. Fun fact that I did
Speaker 2: learn while researching this one. In nineteen eighty a young
Speaker 2: bon Jovi, that's John bon Jovi, just him, not the
Speaker 2: whole band, had no professional credits to his name, right,
Speaker 2: but he we'd have a little band called the Rest
Speaker 2: that's it, right, not the best name, but whatever. Anyway,
Speaker 2: he's working at a recording studio pushing a broom, just
Speaker 2: like Chris Christofferson did. And again, this is nineteen eighty, right,
Speaker 2: So there's this massive hit out there still shaping pop culture.
Speaker 2: And this massive hit was called Star Wars, came out
Speaker 2: years prior, but still an Empire is going to come
Speaker 2: out that year, but it's still shaping the culture so
Speaker 2: much that there was a disco DJ in New Jersey
Speaker 2: who was looking for a way to cash in on
Speaker 2: all that Star Wars loose money around in the culture.
Speaker 2: This disco producer was named Miko, and he was working
Speaker 2: on a little project called Christmas in the Stars. The
Speaker 2: Star Wars Christmas album, because the thinking was kids would
Speaker 2: ask their parents to buy anything with the words Star
Speaker 2: Wars on it, right, true. So remember, yeah, as I
Speaker 2: said John bon Jovi June.
Speaker 3: You owned the like for years, late seventies, eighties, mid eighties.
Speaker 2: If you put Star Wars on something or picture of
Speaker 2: an e wall, it works like that today it still does. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's exactly. It's just like a money printing machine. It's
Speaker 2: why Disney bought it, that's right. So John bon Joe
Speaker 2: he's pushing his room at this recording studio and now
Speaker 2: he's there the day they're recording Christmas in the Stars,
Speaker 2: the Star Wars Christmas album, and for one track, they
Speaker 2: don't have the voice they need. So Johnny bon Jovi
Speaker 2: is like, hey, I can sing, and so the disco
Speaker 2: producers like, okay, baby, let's tell you pipes right, And
Speaker 2: Johnny bon Jovi takes his place at the mic, and
Speaker 2: when the track comes up, he starts singing the lyrics
Speaker 2: to R two D two's version of we Wish You
Speaker 2: a Merry Christmas. Wait, and that's how John bon Jovi
Speaker 2: got his first professional music crack. He just started with
Speaker 2: an R two D two. He just did like, no,
Speaker 2: he sings, I don't know he sings the lyrics. R
Speaker 2: two two can't sing here, he can't be boobop his
Speaker 2: way through. He's like accent, he's like scatting. I guess
Speaker 2: what is an R two D two accent?
Speaker 3: I know in your deep bag of accents, you've got
Speaker 3: an R two D two accents.
Speaker 2: The whistles, though, are so hard to it's like and
Speaker 2: then he's like, just like that, just like that. But
Speaker 2: I'm sure you all have heard that the main Star
Speaker 2: Wars theme by Miko, like the disco version, right, yes,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, no, definitely it's so good. Yeah, I want
Speaker 2: the album now. It's a banger. No, it definitely is. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's the reason why he's like, let's do a Christmas
Speaker 2: album because people are like, this is dope. I got
Speaker 2: more dope. Yeah, So there you go. From a flagrant
Speaker 2: cash grab, John bon Jovi gets his first one. Anyway,
Speaker 2: this sounds like many of my my bad weekends. So
Speaker 2: let's take a little break, slip into something comfortable, listen
Speaker 2: to some ads, and after these messages we'll get into
Speaker 2: the battle and box. Yes, okay, Elizabeth Jaren. At this point,
Speaker 2: I've pulled this bowstring back far enough to make it
Speaker 2: nice and tough. You ready to see this arrowfly? Yes?
Speaker 2: So in nineteen ninety six, Sebastian Bach was fired from
Speaker 2: his band skid Row. He had a good run, you know,
Speaker 2: last year, from nineteen eighty seven to nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 2: at least three good years. Yeah, and then just a
Speaker 2: full nine year run, you know. So anyway, that's one
Speaker 2: year longer than the American Revolution. The reason why Sebastian
Speaker 2: Bach was fired from skid Row remains the matter of
Speaker 2: myth and speculation, oh the gossip of heavy metal roadies
Speaker 2: and groupies. But there are certain rumors, like there's one
Speaker 2: rumor that Sebastian Bach was fired from skid Row because
Speaker 2: he wanted the band to play as an opener for
Speaker 2: one of his favorite childhood bands. Want I guess what
Speaker 2: band Sebastian Bach idolized as a kid and was willing
Speaker 2: to risk it all to tour with.
Speaker 4: Yes, do you know the storys Oh, my god, you're good.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of like what you know, I'm
Speaker 3: just not a big fan of j at his agent?
Speaker 2: What's theme for his age? And like a megaband that
Speaker 2: went still being around but like lame. Yeah exactly. The
Speaker 2: people be like what just going.
Speaker 3: Like super hard or like really, oh my god, they're
Speaker 3: amazing musicians, and it's like this, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not risking for the MC five, he's exactly,
Speaker 2: it's just tracks. So Sebastian Bach was he wanted to
Speaker 2: open for Kiss, and the rest of skid Row was like,
Speaker 2: will they be wearing the makeup and they're lays up
Speaker 2: boots and capes. Yeah, that's not really what they said.
Speaker 2: But what did happen is Elizabeth, let me take you back.
Speaker 2: It was nineteen ninety six. Grunge was big hair metals
Speaker 2: out at this point. Oh yeah, has cut their hair right?
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So at this point in the culture therapy exactly,
Speaker 2: they're doing anger management. So neither skid Row nor Kiss
Speaker 2: is at the top of the charts anymore, but they
Speaker 2: both still have armies of loyal fans and they're not
Speaker 2: too old to rock and roll.
Speaker 3: Ninety six too, we're getting through grunge into new metal.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, we're making that shift. So when Kiss announces
Speaker 2: like what silver Chair happens, Everyone's like, Okay, grunge is
Speaker 2: not Let's move on. So when Kiss announces a reunion tour,
Speaker 2: they reach out to Sebastia Bach, who is a Kiss
Speaker 2: superstan as I said, and they asked if skid Row
Speaker 2: wants to go on tour with Kiss and open for
Speaker 2: the glam demons of rock and roll, and Sebastian Bach
Speaker 2: is like, yes, absolutely yes, oh my god, jumping up
Speaker 2: and down. And then he goes to tell his bandmates
Speaker 2: and they're like, no, absolutely not. And so I guess
Speaker 2: they had different opinions about what cool was. And uh.
Speaker 2: Sebastian Bach was on Steve O's podcast Wild Ride, and
Speaker 2: he recounted the events as best as he could remember
Speaker 2: them again rockstar so Memory, but Accordian Sebastian Bak's jin
Speaker 2: Soak Memory. The bass player Rachel Bolin had a tour
Speaker 2: planned with their side project, a punk band he'd started
Speaker 2: with skid Row's Roadies, So that was why Sebastian Bach
Speaker 2: didn't get to play with his childhood heroes.
Speaker 6: Ok.
Speaker 2: So he reached out to John bon Jovi's childhood friend,
Speaker 2: Old Dave Sabo, guitarist for the band, and Sebastian Bach
Speaker 2: had some thoughts about this, like, oh, he's playing with
Speaker 2: a punk band, I don't get to play with Kiss,
Speaker 2: and he wanted the skid Row guitarist Sabo to hear
Speaker 2: his thoughts, and so as Sebastian Bach told Steve Oh
Speaker 2: the story, and I quote, I called the guitar player
Speaker 2: Dave Sable and then let him know what I thought.
Speaker 2: He didn't pick up, so I just went you and
Speaker 2: I just let him know what I thought of him
Speaker 2: not letting me play with Kiss at the reunion tour
Speaker 2: of Kiss in New Jersey at the Meadowlands Arena. So
Speaker 2: Elizabeth again, this is nineteen ninety six. It's ninety six,
Speaker 2: which is key to the story because in nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: six people had answering machines for their house phone. Yeah
Speaker 2: you remember those, right. I for some answering machines, while
Speaker 2: the person is leaving a message, it plays on his speakerphone.
Speaker 2: So anyone standing there in the room with that phone
Speaker 2: can hear the message as it's being left and recorded.
Speaker 2: This is it used to be great for scenes in
Speaker 2: dumb comedies. Well keep that energy in mind, dumb comedy,
Speaker 2: because turns out Dave Sabo saw who was calling. He's like,
Speaker 2: I'm not answering that, but he did, so he didn't
Speaker 2: pick up the call, but he did stand there and
Speaker 2: listen to the message on speakerphone. So as Sebastian Bach
Speaker 2: is leaving it and Dave Sabo though wasn't alone because
Speaker 2: the way Sebastian Bach tells the story to Tears Steve
Speaker 2: oh And quote, he goes, my whole family heard that
Speaker 2: message that came out of the speaker and my whole
Speaker 2: family was there. So that was it. That was what
Speaker 2: was the old cliche. Back to Sebastian Bach, that was
Speaker 2: the last straw. If you asked the bass player in them,
Speaker 2: they will say that there was a lot of leading
Speaker 2: up to that, but that was the very last straw.
Speaker 2: So I guess, yeah, why he got fired from the
Speaker 2: band because he left a message and irritated his bandmate,
Speaker 2: John bon Jovi's best friend, screaming at him and being
Speaker 2: way too family for a family from New Jersey. But
Speaker 2: you know how hard it is to see their standards,
Speaker 2: like they've heard some stuff.
Speaker 3: It's I've known bands that have broken up and they're
Speaker 3: looking for an excuse if one person is the catalyst
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, oh it was that.
Speaker 2: There was like wait, what a lot more? But I
Speaker 2: think you're on. But if we dig his word for it,
Speaker 2: he wasn't fired from Sandro because he said yes to kiss,
Speaker 2: but he was booted for the band because he was
Speaker 2: a pompous, spoiled rock star essentially right, no one wanted
Speaker 2: to be around him because they're sick of having to
Speaker 2: hold the bag of his bad behavior. So any that
Speaker 2: brings us to the story I wanted to tell you today. Yes,
Speaker 2: what was the name of that Canadian town I told
Speaker 2: you remember up top? Peter something real close? It is Peterborough. Peterborough,
Speaker 2: all right, it's easy to remember. Just think spider Man, right,
Speaker 2: is Peter Parker. Peter Parker is from the Borough of Queens.
Speaker 2: Peter Peterborough. Boom spider Man equals Peterborough has memory trick, Elizabeth.
Speaker 2: You'd keep that one for free. It's on the house. Seriously,
Speaker 2: come to my seminar this weekend. I'm at the Ramata
Speaker 2: n out by the airport. Anyway, the scene of this
Speaker 2: crime was Riley's Old Town Pub in Sebastian Box, hometown
Speaker 2: of where Peter Peterborough. That's old by the way with
Speaker 2: no e at the end. But the town has an
Speaker 2: athi end like they couldn't make up their mind which
Speaker 2: way they wanted to go the old Towny's Old Town Pub,
Speaker 2: old Town Pub on the end of old but at
Speaker 2: the end of town. So what about at the end
Speaker 2: of pub. No, so they decided they split the difference
Speaker 2: on their old time events, like we can only afford
Speaker 2: one e. Yeah, so it's November IDEs of November, in fact,
Speaker 2: November fifteenth. Yeah. So one thing I thought was funny.
Speaker 2: Every single news story that covered this incident made sure
Speaker 2: to include the phrase Sebastian Buck whose real name is
Speaker 2: Sebastian Berk to bust him out or maybe there's a
Speaker 2: lot of people to know. I read the arrest report.
Speaker 2: I don't know what.
Speaker 3: It's just like, if you're not familiar with him, they're like, wait,
Speaker 3: this man's name is They're.
Speaker 2: Like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's not it's
Speaker 2: not that cool. Don't put on airs. It's beer. It's
Speaker 2: actually really lame. So what's the stories? Eric, great question, Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you. At the time, Sebastian back,
Speaker 2: forty two year old former rock star turned Broadway actor
Speaker 2: and part time reality TV person acting with a side
Speaker 2: of reunion tour hopeful now reality TV h one, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to yeah, exactly. The brother in the house, yay.
Speaker 2: So in his hometown of where Elizabeth, Peterborough. There you go.
Speaker 2: That's right, spider Man Canada. In an exclusive interview the
Speaker 2: music and culture outlet Blabbermouth, Sebastian Bach recalled that and
Speaker 2: I quote, I went to Peterborough to deal with my
Speaker 2: dad's estate and pack up his art and put it
Speaker 2: in the truck and drive it in New Jersey. It
Speaker 2: was pure misery. So that was a rough day. One
Speaker 2: of my friends wanted to sing a song to me,
Speaker 2: a song at the microphone, and the owner wouldn't letter.
Speaker 2: So right off, we've got an emotionally stressed rockstea with
Speaker 2: aging family care issues. Right, that's always difficult, be super stressful. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he said, rough day, we've all.
Speaker 3: You know, when a friend says I want to sing
Speaker 3: a song to you in.
Speaker 2: A bar to make you feel better, that's rough. That
Speaker 2: puts me through the ringer. So he and his friends,
Speaker 2: that is traumatic.
Speaker 3: You friend is like, I want to sing a song
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 2: In public, probably a bar in your hometown. You tell
Speaker 2: me all about it later. So they decided that, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe some impromptu karaoke will cheer up Sea Bass, right,
Speaker 2: but the man won't let them sing. So what's a
Speaker 2: rock and roll rebel like Sea Bass supposed to do well?
Speaker 2: From some media reports, I read Sebastian Bach had a
Speaker 2: essentially going up to the stage where there was a
Speaker 2: house musician playing. I imagine a guy with a guitar. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he asked, yeah, maybe, But he asked if his friend
Speaker 2: Ken Sagan for the bar patrons, do you know what
Speaker 2: song it was? No, I don't know what song they
Speaker 2: want to I know I didn't. I looked up as
Speaker 2: much as I could for this one. So the house
Speaker 2: musician was like, yeah, cool, cool, Yeah, man, sure, you
Speaker 2: just need to ask the owner if it's cool. And
Speaker 2: I mean his name's Jim. He's right over there. You'd
Speaker 2: ask him, he'll let you. No, Sebastian Bach didn't want
Speaker 2: to go through all that hassle, right, so he said
Speaker 2: he went back to his seat with his friends and
Speaker 2: I guess they've been drinking a little bit already. Yeah maybe,
Speaker 2: you know, they say they were going around the world
Speaker 2: like annoying teenagers at this point. Either way, they decided
Speaker 2: they'll get the bar owner to come over to them.
Speaker 2: So they start pelting the house musician with ice cubes
Speaker 2: from where they're seated, right, But this isn't a big place.
Speaker 2: This isn't like a raucous dive bar. Just imagine a
Speaker 2: small Canadian old town pub. Now the bar owner, he
Speaker 2: does come over to their table, and he asked Sebastian
Speaker 2: back to chill the f out, stop throwing ice cubes
Speaker 2: at the house musician and heckling him, because they also
Speaker 2: started heckling the kid who's just up there, like on
Speaker 2: a stool with a guitar. At that point, Sebastian Bach
Speaker 2: starts throwing ice cubes at the bar owner's face, who's
Speaker 2: just right there in front of him. Like, I'm not
Speaker 2: a rock star, Elizabeth. I've never been a rock star,
Speaker 2: but I have to assume if I were a rock star,
Speaker 2: I would know that throwing ice cubes at the some
Speaker 2: house musician is not the way to get what I want. No, specifically,
Speaker 2: I want to share the stage, kids working through the
Speaker 2: Indigo girls cat out. Dude, I don't think ice cubes
Speaker 2: are going to sway a Canadian bar owner anyway. The
Speaker 2: bar owner's like, okay, time for you to go. So
Speaker 2: at this point, real rockstar energy comes into play. Sebastian
Speaker 2: Bach apparently decided to be the one who was offended,
Speaker 2: so he's like, how dare you I am a former
Speaker 2: lead singer of an eighties hair metal ban skin Row,
Speaker 2: how dare you ask me to leave this premises? And
Speaker 2: the bar owners like, you threw ice at my classical
Speaker 2: guitar player. Get out? Yeah, so I don't know it
Speaker 2: was a class guitar player. I just that's even better.
Speaker 2: It's a classical guitar player.
Speaker 3: And he's just like doing all these like and then
Speaker 3: he's like, my friend.
Speaker 2: Was to power ballad, you know eighteen in life. Now,
Speaker 2: what I haven't told you up until now so they
Speaker 2: wanted to save it is that this is all going
Speaker 2: down in a wine bar. Wait, the Old Cube is
Speaker 2: a wine bar?
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my god, do they do like a sip
Speaker 3: and paint thing.
Speaker 2: It gets better when Sebastian Bak takes issue with the owner.
Speaker 2: He stands up with his wine glass and attempts to
Speaker 2: swan out of the place, feeling all hurt and wounded.
Speaker 2: So the bar owners like, you can't leave with that
Speaker 2: glass of wine. Yeah, He's like he's doing his best
Speaker 2: impression of Rihanna leaving with a glass of wine. But
Speaker 2: he's like, when re Rey does it, it's like ultra cool.
Speaker 2: When Sebastian Bak does it, just like me getting kicked
Speaker 2: out of a bar in like a shopping mall in Florida,
Speaker 2: it's just not nearly as cool. So it's like real
Speaker 2: bad mammagama behavior.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So, on his way to being escorted out the door,
Speaker 2: Sebastian Bach asked himself what would a real rockstar do
Speaker 2: in this moment of petulance, and then he did his
Speaker 2: best impression of that. So he decides he will take
Speaker 2: his unfinished glass of wine and throw it down at
Speaker 2: the floor, like I'm leaving anyway. I don't need this.
Speaker 2: So in an interview with the outlet Checks TV, which
Speaker 2: I have to assumes a Canadian TV station and not
Speaker 2: a media outlet for the fine makers of Checks partys
Speaker 2: and cereals. But actually I did Checks. I thought you
Speaker 2: may ask checks TV is a local TV station coming
Speaker 2: out of Peterborough, Ontario in the north.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is it there like public Access? No, it's like
Speaker 4: a local channel just like Czechoslovakian. I think they do
Speaker 4: C for Canada. And then everything's just like three letters.
Speaker 4: I don't know anywhere TV. The bar owner said, he
Speaker 4: raised his hand and threw the wineglass with the wine
Speaker 4: in it as hard as he could on the floor,
Speaker 4: shattering it. So at that point the bar owner was
Speaker 4: like grab him and then decided, if you want to
Speaker 4: have a job done right, you have to do it yourself.
Speaker 2: Was it a buttery shard or a rob Imagine it's
Speaker 2: a red, a robust red. Yeah, so maybe like a
Speaker 2: like a uh maybe at Murlow. He seems like that
Speaker 2: kind of guy to drink. I just like it.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's like a Pinot Grigio, like a light summer.
Speaker 2: One he likes to So at this point, the bar
Speaker 2: owner goes and tackles Sebastian Bach before he gets out
Speaker 2: the door so he can hold him for the police.
Speaker 2: And as Sebastian Bach tells the story to Blabbermouth, I
Speaker 2: ended up tackled up from behind. So the only thing
Speaker 2: I could do, of course, was bite the dude. Oh
Speaker 2: of course. So drunk and asked to leave. Clearly embarrassed,
Speaker 2: he decides to raise the steaks to assault in some
Speaker 2: light cannibal cosplay Rashshha. There's a video of the incident
Speaker 2: that corroborates that that's pretty much exactly what happens. Or
Speaker 2: you could take the word of Judd Smoke, who is
Speaker 2: a friend of Sebastian Box Stop Judge, Stop suppress jud Smoke,
Speaker 2: jud Smoke? Is he actually Jud's smirk? It's Judd's smoke.
Speaker 2: I mean it could be like Smoke a Witz. I
Speaker 2: don't know. He may be a longer name. I have
Speaker 2: no idea. But he was there that night, and he
Speaker 2: will tell you if you ask him, or if you
Speaker 2: don't ask him, as he told me the outlets at
Speaker 2: the time, everybody is painting bass in a bad light.
Speaker 2: But he didn't do no attacking to no bar on
Speaker 2: her as per se like I've seen on TV and
Speaker 2: the internet. It was more than the other way around.
Speaker 3: I was there, Okay, so we need to go back
Speaker 3: and test some grammar and mechanics. But also, was jud
Speaker 3: Smoked the guy who was like, I want to sing
Speaker 3: to my friend.
Speaker 2: I love it. I think it was. I think it
Speaker 2: was a girl who was with him. Let's say it was.
Speaker 2: Let's say it was.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 2: At this point, Sebastian Bach picks back up the story
Speaker 2: and he says, you know, okay, I threw a glass
Speaker 2: of wine on the ground because he kicked me out
Speaker 2: of the bar. In my home town, you can go
Speaker 2: to friendlies with your grandma and she could drop a
Speaker 2: glass of water on the ground. Nobody tackles her. You
Speaker 2: broke a glass? What the So that was his take
Speaker 2: on the events.
Speaker 3: I think if you want to paint yourself as a
Speaker 3: bad boy of rock and roll, you have to look
Speaker 3: at like the pinnacle the version, and that's Keith Richards.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like would Keith Richards do this and do
Speaker 2: it this way? Keith would not do that. You can
Speaker 2: even take a couple of steps down to Axel Rose
Speaker 2: and be like, what, Axel.
Speaker 3: Do you know? He would be like, you're acting like
Speaker 3: trash Keith Richards Like.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, she wouldn't even deign to talk to you.
Speaker 3: Exactly. They're not going to pull all this. This is
Speaker 3: I'm right now. I am really up to my eyeballs
Speaker 3: in like not being able to tolerate trash behavior. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: like fighting in public or mouthing off about don't act
Speaker 3: like trash.
Speaker 2: Acting like you're in a reality TV. Yeah, but there's
Speaker 2: no cameras. Yes, stop, Vladimir stop. So what was the
Speaker 2: result of all this bad behavior and the old Town
Speaker 2: pub and where Elizabeth Petersborough. So I got two words
Speaker 2: for you, rabies test stop. What is happening? Sebast Jim
Speaker 2: Bach told Blabbermouth I had to go and take a
Speaker 2: rabies test to make sure I didn't have communicable diseases.
Speaker 2: So we've talked about rabies because he bit the guy
Speaker 2: so they had to go get a rais. He's a
Speaker 2: dog that has to be tested for rabies. And you
Speaker 2: and I have talked about rabies personally, like and I
Speaker 2: just got to say that sounds like one of the
Speaker 2: worst things I've ever heard about. And going up from rabies, I.
Speaker 3: Ruined your day slash months, life month, dude.
Speaker 2: The symptoms sounds like an old testament.
Speaker 3: There's someone left a comment somewhere on Reddit and if.
Speaker 2: You like search it like rabies like what happened.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the search function I use.
Speaker 3: But it is like a detailed, moment by moment description
Speaker 3: of what happens from the moment you're bitten.
Speaker 2: They don't know it.
Speaker 4: Yes, I read it a painful death and I'm horrified.
Speaker 3: I read it out loud to you and then I
Speaker 3: forwarded it to other people.
Speaker 2: The whole fear of water is that is them. It
Speaker 2: makes you irrationally afraid of water, so much so that
Speaker 2: the rabies wants you to go out and die, so
Speaker 2: that way scavengers will come along and eat your body
Speaker 2: and then the rabies get spread. But it's it's a
Speaker 2: genius alien virus. I hate it. Each each level of
Speaker 2: it is just horrendous. It's one of the worst things
Speaker 2: I've ever read.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'll figure out a way that we
Speaker 3: can put the links.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's terrible. Yeah. So anyway, the owner
Speaker 2: of the bar demands a Sebastian Bach get a rabies
Speaker 2: test because he doesn't want this either, right, and you
Speaker 2: know what, I don't blame him. So after he went
Speaker 2: to the doctor, gods, he's walking around rabbit. Well, I mean,
Speaker 2: one in a million is high enough for me. I
Speaker 2: think you're more likely to get some sort of STV.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, much more likely, but you can get both, Elizabeth. So,
Speaker 2: after he went to the doctor for his mandatory court
Speaker 2: ordered rabies test, the Canadian American hair metal rocker proudly
Speaker 2: proclaimed to the world, happy to say, I'm rabies free.
Speaker 2: I'm not rabbit. So there you go. Sebastian Bach legally
Speaker 2: declared not rabbit.
Speaker 3: I am so sorry for Canada and if you're one,
Speaker 3: they're nice people.
Speaker 2: They don't deserve most of the rock stars that come
Speaker 2: out of Canada, but Canada is like I don't just
Speaker 2: come on. They're from Wisconsin, Neil Young, Nickelback, Chad Kroeger.
Speaker 2: They're from Canada. Oh yeah. So if you were wondering
Speaker 2: about him catching charges, the Courts Center Ontario decided to
Speaker 2: drop the charges for the bite and the general ice
Speaker 2: cube battery. Yes for justice. Sebastian Bach did donate seven
Speaker 2: hundred dollars to charity as recompense for the broken wineglass.
Speaker 2: What was the charity? I did not ask the Sebastian
Speaker 2: box exactly. So there you go. That's your Sebastian Boch
Speaker 2: fun for today. But you have one more story for
Speaker 2: you about a Sebastian Bock as in the OG, Johann
Speaker 2: Sebastian Boch, the guy. That guy also spent time inside
Speaker 2: locked up and guests. There's just something about them back boys, Elizabeth.
Speaker 2: So let's take a break after these messages. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you about the OG bad Boy Sebastian Box, Elizabeth, We're back, hi,
Speaker 2: and have I got a hell of a finisher for you?
Speaker 2: I bet you do.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: I was doing some research, right and I had to
Speaker 2: go hit up Wikipedia to find out Sebastian Bach's parents' names.
Speaker 2: And at the top of his Wikipedia page is this
Speaker 2: disambiguation note. You know, one of those sentences has this
Speaker 2: article is about X for articles on why I see
Speaker 2: this other person or whatever? Right well, on Sebastian Box
Speaker 2: Wikipedia page is a disambiguation note, and he reads this
Speaker 2: article is about the heavy metal singer for the baroque
Speaker 2: composer see Johann Sebastian Bach, and I just want to
Speaker 2: sit on the shoulder someone who's looking for info on
Speaker 2: Johann Sebastian Bach and mistakenly reads Sebastian Box Wikipedia and
Speaker 2: gets the two musicians confused. You're always telling people fun
Speaker 2: facts about this genius, Sebastian Box. You know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 4: He did a counterpoint chat gpt ais you have an
Speaker 4: emergence scan that and then some ding dong fourth graders
Speaker 4: he asked to write a report.
Speaker 3: On Johann Sebastian Box talking about to and he's gonna
Speaker 3: go off on a wine bar brawl at the rabies
Speaker 3: determination of the fourth grade teachers to be like, this
Speaker 3: is why I'm.
Speaker 2: Quitting at the end of the year. I could just
Speaker 2: see it. The whole movie is playing out in my
Speaker 2: head right now. So this this is what I want
Speaker 2: to tell you about the O. G. Bach, JS Bach,
Speaker 2: Johann Sebastian, the real deal. Yeah. So primarily people in
Speaker 2: the note say that Bach was a prolific composer, a
Speaker 2: man who heard God in the notes of a clavichord.
Speaker 2: His most famous works are the Takata and Fugue and
Speaker 2: Reiner I mentioned that the brandon Burg Concertos, the Goldberg Variations,
Speaker 2: the well tempered Clavier. The man was known to bust
Speaker 2: out a corral at the drop of the hat. Right,
Speaker 2: I mean, generous lover. He came from a family of musicians.
Speaker 2: Keep that thought in mind. Oh God, he's chief among them.
Speaker 2: The man eight slept and breathed music when he wasn't
Speaker 2: being a generous level But also we treat him like
Speaker 2: we treat all dead classical geniuses, as like a bit
Speaker 2: of like an NPR listening fuddy. Right, and let me
Speaker 2: tell you, Elizabeth, that could not be further from the
Speaker 2: truth when it comes to Johann Sebastian Bach, namesake of
Speaker 2: the hair Metal Frontman now the Og. Bach was born
Speaker 2: in sixteen eighty five and he spent his prolific working
Speaker 2: years in what would come to be called Germany. But
Speaker 2: during his time there it was a patchwork of dukes
Speaker 2: and duchies and mad princes. There was no Germany yet,
Speaker 2: and as a working musician he had to bounce around
Speaker 2: a bit dealing with these dukes and duchies and mad
Speaker 2: princes while he was looking for a steady gig in
Speaker 2: the courts. And his job seeking was made more difficult
Speaker 2: by the fact that j. S. Bach was something of
Speaker 2: a bad boy, and he's dealing with all these what
Speaker 2: future Germans, right, they were like, we're not tense. So
Speaker 2: he was not the white haired, sober minded Lutheran that
Speaker 2: most folks would imagine. The conductor John Elliott Gardner he
Speaker 2: wrote a biography of the composer, and he commented on
Speaker 2: this character of Bach, the subversive as he called him,
Speaker 2: and he said that we need to reimagine the man
Speaker 2: because quote suppose in said, we start to view him
Speaker 2: as an unlikely rebel. Oh yeah, exactly thought thought well
Speaker 2: in mind, which is certainly something you know. I would
Speaker 2: say this about any teacher who fights his students, or
Speaker 2: a proud young man who gets locked up for a
Speaker 2: month because he bristles at the power structure of his day.
Speaker 2: That's JS block. Also apparently a thirsty fella. Back went
Speaker 2: on a two week trip and he came back and
Speaker 2: he handed over receipts from his travel. He could get
Speaker 2: recompensed by the church for his travel expenses. So Back
Speaker 2: charged the church a ton for all the beer he
Speaker 2: was drinking two week trip. Right. He drank eight gallons
Speaker 2: of beer during that two week trip in two weeks. No,
Speaker 2: I did the conversion math for you, because I know
Speaker 2: I love conversions. I do. There's one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: eight fluid ounces per gallon. He did eight of those,
Speaker 2: So he worked that out. Eight is two to the third,
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty eight is two to the seventh
Speaker 2: at the exponent exponents, and then that's a oneenty twenty four. Right,
Speaker 2: So if you divided that, calculate he divide that by
Speaker 2: twelve ounces, which is the amount of fluid a beer
Speaker 2: in a can. That works out to be about eighty
Speaker 2: five and a third beers. Now, if you divide that
Speaker 2: by fourteen days, which means he's drinking every single day
Speaker 2: the same eight Monday through Sunday, that's an average of
Speaker 2: six beers a day every day of his fourteen day trip.
Speaker 2: So he's drunk on Sunday tips everything. So thank god
Speaker 2: he also had beer added to one of his contracts
Speaker 2: of employment. Those are the beers that he bought, yes, exactly,
Speaker 2: he was the one that other people bought for him, exactly.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so Bach apparently made sure there was a
Speaker 2: stipulation in his contract that so he had access to
Speaker 2: tax free beer, and not just any beer. He demanded
Speaker 2: the pilsners and loggers from the castle's brewery. He wanted
Speaker 2: the good stuff. What's the Prince dring? That's what I
Speaker 2: want on ryding Heid School Bolton stuff. So he wasn't,
Speaker 2: by the way, when he wasn't maintaining his buzz. Apparently
Speaker 2: Bach was also remembered to meet young ladies for a
Speaker 2: rendezvous and the organ loft. I think they said that
Speaker 2: his organ had no stops. Oh, can'd invite them up
Speaker 2: there to check the pipes. So exactly how did young
Speaker 2: JS bock wind up behind bars? How did you fantastic question? Elizabeth? Well,
Speaker 2: the year was seventeen o eight. I remember it was
Speaker 2: I thought you did, right, JS bock Cock Shuer twenty
Speaker 2: three year old musical Theenom. He'd been hired as the
Speaker 2: court organist for the city of Wymar, as in the
Speaker 2: city that would later be known as the name provider
Speaker 2: for the Wymar Republic or Wymar you prefer it that way? Yes, anyway,
Speaker 2: the young bach is hired to play the organ right,
Speaker 2: and he's good. No one has any complaints about the
Speaker 2: ser fingers on the lasts six years in the Vymar
Speaker 2: court and he's eventually appointed as the Concertmeister. That's concert
Speaker 2: with a K and a Z in the middle of it.
Speaker 3: What it means is the forgotten name of a Ski album.
Speaker 2: So this means is he's the music director of the court.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: So this also means he's now responsible for composing original
Speaker 2: works for a talented ensemble of musicians. However, this also
Speaker 2: means he has to take orders from his not one,
Speaker 2: but two bosses, the kapell Meister and the vice copel Meister. Okay,
Speaker 2: and I know what those roles are because I love
Speaker 2: the movie Amadais. But the kapel Meister is the main
Speaker 2: conductor of the orchestra or the ensemble musicians. So the
Speaker 2: big boss, the guy whoused to stand there and waved
Speaker 2: the baton. Yeah, this case, it was a father and
Speaker 2: son acte. Yeah, because of the seventeen hundreds and more
Speaker 2: oft than that, men went into the family Businessmick. So
Speaker 2: he's got his like, you know, he's got his fail
Speaker 2: son as his vice Coppelmeister. And then the Kapellmeister dies
Speaker 2: and his failed son takes over and js back loses it.
Speaker 2: He's like, because anybody who has ears to hear the
Speaker 2: beauty of his music knows that the job should go
Speaker 2: to js Buck. This is He's just like, it's insulting otherwise, right,
Speaker 2: and he certainly knew this. So to make matters worse,
Speaker 2: he thought the vice Copelmeister was just an abject failure
Speaker 2: as a person and as a man. So he didn't
Speaker 2: respect him to like him. And so what does he do, Well,
Speaker 2: the bad boy of the seventeen hundreds, he's got he's
Speaker 2: got to step out, right, Yeah, he's got to get
Speaker 2: free of this. So he does he starts circulating his
Speaker 2: curriculum vita, his musical resume. He's like, would you like
Speaker 2: to read this? Check this out, I've got this on parchment,
Speaker 2: vellm whatever you like, And he's able to scoop up
Speaker 2: a new gig right at the end of the summer
Speaker 2: seventeen seventeen, he's named the Kapellmeister of the Court of
Speaker 2: Prince Leopold of the State of Cuttin. Right now, there
Speaker 2: was one person who could stop him from taking his
Speaker 2: new job. His old boss, a man named Wilhelm Ernst
Speaker 2: but Elizabeth, you would call him the Duke of Saxon Weimar,
Speaker 2: and he was an intolerant Lutheran man. His brother was
Speaker 2: the co Duke, but he was such a drunk. He
Speaker 2: was only co Duke in name. Only everybody knew oh
Speaker 2: yeah yeah. And when his brother passed he got a
Speaker 2: new co Duke. It was like a whole power sharing.
Speaker 2: The Germans didn't want anyone have too much power. It's
Speaker 2: why they stayed apart in all their old duchies for
Speaker 2: so long. Anyway, Wilhelm Ernst he holds power and as
Speaker 2: such he hears this young star concertmeister plans to leave
Speaker 2: his court and find better employment. Elsewhere with Prince Leopold.
Speaker 2: Right after this slight of watching this idiot son take
Speaker 2: a job that rightfully should go to him, so he decides, well,
Speaker 2: I'm going to teach this young js Bock how things
Speaker 2: go down and sacks Viymar so he rejects box resignation.
Speaker 2: He teaches him a lesson in power politics and tells him, see, no, baby,
Speaker 2: you ain't going nowhere. He baby you and me, but
Speaker 2: he says like in German right, But my man, js Bock,
Speaker 2: he's stubborn, he's hard headed, he's young. So he kept
Speaker 2: at it. He kept trying to resign and the Duke
Speaker 2: was like, I thought you had good is baby. You
Speaker 2: ain't hearing me. You ain't going nowhere, but again like
Speaker 2: in German right. So finally, in November, when he should
Speaker 2: have been preparing his Christmas Mass program at his new gig,
Speaker 2: js Bock is absolutely losing it like he was losing
Speaker 2: it before. Now it's erupting from his skin. Right. I
Speaker 2: wish I could tell you who he popped off at.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but we do know that he popped
Speaker 2: off in the court of the Duchy and everyone was like,
Speaker 2: oh no, because young hot headed Bock just was like
Speaker 2: basically yelling fire me, fire me, fire me, which, by
Speaker 2: the way, my friend Dave once did exactly this at
Speaker 2: dream Works until Jeffrey Katzenberg was like, Okay, fine, I
Speaker 2: fire you, you can go. So this behavior still goes
Speaker 2: on today, is what I'm saying. And Dave would be
Speaker 2: amused that I just compared him to JS Box, So
Speaker 2: rip Dave. Anyway, back to js Bock and Duke Wilhelm
Speaker 2: Ernst and they're out of stubbornness so young back he
Speaker 2: goes ham in the court a saxsify mar and Duke
Speaker 2: will Hummers is like, you do know I have my
Speaker 2: home prison, right baby? So js Bock gets to know
Speaker 2: the Fortress prison firsthand, up close personal. He gets to
Speaker 2: know the feel of the cold damp stones and guess
Speaker 2: what my man does once he's locked up. He's like, cool, cool,
Speaker 2: I still want to resign. Yeah, just keeps pushing it right,
Speaker 2: So he tries to wait out the Duke's anger, and
Speaker 2: it's like he hopes that he'll find some like new
Speaker 2: something else to get him mad about and eventually let
Speaker 2: him go. That does not happen, So Back is like,
Speaker 2: well kind of these gets some work done, americ, can
Speaker 2: he bring me some pens and paper and something ink?
Speaker 2: And the Duke is like, he's belligerent, but he's not
Speaker 2: like a capricious man, so he's like, give him some
Speaker 2: pens and paper. So at this point js Bock writes
Speaker 2: a good piece of the well tempered Clavier.
Speaker 5: Yeah right.
Speaker 2: So more time passes, Jasbock is writing up his masterpiece.
Speaker 2: The Duke is flexing his power on him. After like
Speaker 2: a week, the Duke is like, has the concertmister changed
Speaker 2: his mind yet? And the jailers would go and ask
Speaker 2: him in jsboc and'd be like, hell, no, I haven't
Speaker 2: fired me. And then the dude, wut hear this? He'd
Speaker 2: be like that little okay, well he can stay in there.
Speaker 2: Maybe he get his mind right. And then more time passes,
Speaker 2: the Duke would get curious and ask if the concertmeister
Speaker 2: had to change into thinking yet, and the jailers would
Speaker 2: ask him and he would change his mind and he'd
Speaker 2: be like, I need more pens and paper but no,
Speaker 2: and oh, by the way, tell the Duke to fire me.
Speaker 2: So the Duke would hear this and be like ha,
Speaker 2: and he'd like throw like a pork leg across the
Speaker 2: room in anger or whatever. Right, Now, keep in mind
Speaker 2: back is young, he's thirty two, and he's also super
Speaker 2: about that bedlife. So he's got six kids, a wife
Speaker 2: at home, whoa, and he's locked up in a prison
Speaker 2: fortress for a month and doesn't know when it's gonna end. Yes,
Speaker 2: still doesn't give in. I impressed it, but that anyway. Finally,
Speaker 2: after a month of this, the Duke is like, is
Speaker 2: that catjs box still counting him on the living And
Speaker 2: everyone's like, yeah, yeah, hey, yeah he is. And he's like, okay, cool,
Speaker 2: we should let him out. I mean, I've changed my mind.
Speaker 2: He's stubborn. I don't think we're gonna break him. He's
Speaker 2: really ruin in the mood in my court. Let him go.
Speaker 2: So they let him go, and I was like, all right, December.
Speaker 2: After a month inside jailers turn him loose, right, and
Speaker 2: he finally accepts of resignation. Now he can leave. So
Speaker 2: js Bach has sprung for the pen. He swoops up
Speaker 2: his brew to kids, his young wife, He splits town.
Speaker 2: He heads to a new home in anhalt curtain right
Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier, Yeah, now that's where he would go
Speaker 2: on to write a Brandenburg concertos and do all the
Speaker 2: famous stuff. But I mentioned earlier how he, as a
Speaker 2: young man, also fought his students as their teacher. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when he was first starting out, before he was the
Speaker 2: concertsmeister at the Weimar Court, Bach was a music teacher,
Speaker 2: just a normal music teacher. Trouble for him was he
Speaker 2: was eighteen years old, dang, so his students were barely
Speaker 2: younger than him. Some are actually older than him, and
Speaker 2: they often were bigger than him, so he got very
Speaker 2: used to them not treating him with the appropriate amount
Speaker 2: of respect that he at least expected. Consequently, Bach wasn't
Speaker 2: a big fan of his students. So also he's his
Speaker 2: hot headed musical phenom and he's stuck teaching know nothings
Speaker 2: how to like not sound terrible on the harpsichord. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so he just hates it right, And some of his
Speaker 2: students were known hard cases, so much so that the
Speaker 2: local city council referred to his students as scandalous. They
Speaker 2: are in the like, oh, that's the scandalous students over
Speaker 2: at such and such. Yeah, So for two years he's
Speaker 2: teaching this hard scrabble lot of n'er dowells and they've
Speaker 2: taken to making fun of him outside of class because
Speaker 2: they don't like him. And the students have all these
Speaker 2: taunting nicknames for their young teacher. They see them out,
Speaker 2: they follow him, they harass him because it's like, what
Speaker 2: are you gonna do outside of class? You can't do
Speaker 2: anything outside of class? Right once again, but in German. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it gets so bad that young Bok starts carrying
Speaker 2: a blade on him. It's only a matter of time
Speaker 2: until the inevitable occurred. The worst among the students, both
Speaker 2: in behavior and in musical talent, was a cat named
Speaker 2: geiers Bach. Yeah, and so there's three years older than Bach.
Speaker 2: He's the main bully of the bunch. He was also
Speaker 2: a bassoonist. Just thought I should throw that in there, bassonists.
Speaker 2: One night, geiers Bach is out with the boys, and
Speaker 2: who do they see but young Bach out for an
Speaker 2: evening constitutional with his cousin Barbara Katharina. They're in the
Speaker 2: town's market square, so the center of town, and that's
Speaker 2: where geiers Back the boys is laying about and they
Speaker 2: spot their teacher Bock come into the town square, and
Speaker 2: so what do they do? They go harass him in
Speaker 2: the town square, only this time geyers Bach grabs like
Speaker 2: a big stick, like a broken piece of tree branch,
Speaker 2: and he storms over to Bach. And this cat, geyers
Speaker 2: Bach is bigger than Bach, and I'm guessing he's also
Speaker 2: like had a few. So Geyer's Bach gets in box
Speaker 2: face and he spits all these angry hot words and
Speaker 2: if they have like an ignorant tone. He's like, if
Speaker 2: I have you been making abusive remarks about me? Teach
Speaker 2: you right? And Bach can sense the trouble le bruin,
Speaker 2: so he lies and he says, no, no, never, I
Speaker 2: would never make abusive remarks about you. Whoever told you
Speaker 2: that he's a liar? Right? And so Geyer's Bach is like, okay,
Speaker 2: well maybe that's maybe true, but you've insulted my bassoon playing,
Speaker 2: and anyone who insults my bassoon insults me. So Bach
Speaker 2: is like, whoa chill guyers back, man, come on, But
Speaker 2: he's not hearing it, and he's not hearing it so
Speaker 2: much so that it explodes into this event. Well, rather
Speaker 2: than me just tell you about Elizabeth, I'd like you
Speaker 2: to close your eyes and I want you to picture it.
Speaker 2: It's a pleasant summer evening in the walled town of
Speaker 2: Arntstat in the Dutch of Thuringia in what will later
Speaker 2: be eastern central Germany. At the moment, you are enjoying
Speaker 2: the sweet summer evening breeze as children gamble about the
Speaker 2: town square, running off their excess energy. As elders gather
Speaker 2: in small clusters on the edge, watching the exuberance of
Speaker 2: youth with their wizened smiles. You are in the middle,
Speaker 2: neither child nor elder. You are an adult of working age,
Speaker 2: specifically the town's best bookmaker. You are well regarded for
Speaker 2: your artistry, and you make a living turning out beautiful
Speaker 2: gilded editions of beloved classics and new books penned by
Speaker 2: Thuringia's finest minds. You were on your walk home when
Speaker 2: you decided to stop and buy a small bowl of
Speaker 2: zweibelsupa and a slice of poppy seed strudel and sit
Speaker 2: for a short spell to enjoy the transition into evening.
Speaker 2: But the pleasant evening vibe is about to be shattered
Speaker 2: by a local thug, a bassoon player named geyers Block.
Speaker 2: You don't see how it began, but you hear it escalate.
Speaker 2: You set down your cup of onion soup and your Strudel,
Speaker 2: and you turn your attention to the developing scene. See
Speaker 2: the much larger man, the local thug and bassoon player
Speaker 2: Geyer's Back, is brandishing some sort of large stick and
Speaker 2: threatening the young music teacher, Johann Sebastian Bach. You hear
Speaker 2: geyers Back shout as his teacher, you dirty dog. Then
Speaker 2: he swings the branch with the clear aim to knock
Speaker 2: his teacher's head loose from his shoulders. But Bach is
Speaker 2: no young ninny. He reaches into his overcoat and draws
Speaker 2: out a knife. He lets the bully bassoonist see the
Speaker 2: blade's cool, steely reflection as it catches a glint of moonlight.
Speaker 2: Being ignorant as he is, Geyer's back charges in with
Speaker 2: the broken tree branch. It takes a few more slings.
Speaker 2: Young Bach lets that blade sing in the air. He
Speaker 2: jabs and stabs as he dodges the angry bassoonist tree branch.
Speaker 2: You gasp when you see Bach thrust with his dagger
Speaker 2: at the midsection. Tryers back. The blade is lost in
Speaker 2: his overcoat and does not draw back. Bloody. It misses
Speaker 2: the bully bassoonist by a mere inch or two. Geyers
Speaker 2: Back tosses down his bro can tree branch and he
Speaker 2: tackles Bock around the mid section. The two young men
Speaker 2: crash against the cobblestone in the market. They continue to
Speaker 2: wrestle and to throw blows. At this point other men
Speaker 2: and passers by rush into the scene to separate the two.
Speaker 2: Before Bob kills the bully bassoonist Geyer's back, the crowd
Speaker 2: pulls the two young men part. If you feel a
Speaker 2: wave of relief, you watch as the hot head back
Speaker 2: gets up, brushes himself off. His cousin Barbara Katherina helps
Speaker 2: him dust off, and then they go on about their walk.
Speaker 2: A few of his students, Geyers box crew have to
Speaker 2: hold the bully bassoonists back long enough for the music
Speaker 2: teacher and his cousin to leave the market square. You
Speaker 2: sigh to yourself, just another night in downtown Arnstadt. Since
Speaker 2: he loved arguing before a court or a prince or
Speaker 2: a duke jays, Boch did not let this matter go
Speaker 2: on that evening attack, so instead he had his cousin
Speaker 2: Barbara Katherina come with him and be the star witness
Speaker 2: as he brought the matter before the town council of Arnstadt,
Speaker 2: and speaking on his own behalf was geyers Back, and
Speaker 2: he spoke up for his actions that fateful evening. Now,
Speaker 2: geiers Back said that his anger was understandable since, on
Speaker 2: more than one occasion, in front of others in the
Speaker 2: youth music ensemble, his teacher jab s Bach had called
Speaker 2: him quote a nanny goat bassoonist. So the argument did
Speaker 2: not sway the town council, but they also ruled that
Speaker 2: no punishment was necessary. Kind of mixed bag of justice,
Speaker 2: no harm, no fault decision, I suppose. Anyway, the town
Speaker 2: council did instruct the music teacher to try to win
Speaker 2: over his students so that way they didn't feel that
Speaker 2: they have to assault him in the town square. Anyway.
Speaker 2: Those are a few choice moments from the life of
Speaker 2: rebel bad boy Johann Sebastian Bach, which just goes to
Speaker 2: show you, Elizabeth, whether it's Sebastian Bach of skid Row
Speaker 2: or Johann Sebastian Bach, sometimes you're gonna get tackled for
Speaker 2: being a hothead, and that's just what happens when your
Speaker 2: name Bach Sebastian Bach. Centuries may separate them, but their
Speaker 2: names and their public's reaction to their musical genius is
Speaker 2: the same. Some would tackle that guy anyway, and people
Speaker 2: always watching out they have that same reaction. What the
Speaker 2: buck is going on? So what's our ridiculous takeaway? Here? Elizabeth?
Speaker 2: Always ask yourself, what would Keith Richards do? That's a
Speaker 2: good rule. I'm gonna get you that a shirt. What's
Speaker 2: your ridiculous takeaway? People have been the same forever. You
Speaker 2: should remember that when we're looking backwards to time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you should remember that when we're looking at each other presently,
Speaker 2: remember that when we're looking forward at the future, people
Speaker 2: will always be the same. There's nothing new under the sun,
Speaker 2: just new technology here and there, but back to back
Speaker 2: people are mostly the same. You're in the mood for
Speaker 2: a talk box, Producer, D, what you got for us?
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Speaker 2: It's a good symbol too, yes, resilience and yeah, exactly,
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