WEBVTT - Those Battlin' Bachs! Johann and Sebastian

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Liz Sarn. How you doing. I'm good. How are

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<v Speaker 2>you doing? I'm doing? Okay. I got a question for you. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>do you like this hat? Yes? Thank you. I got

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<v Speaker 2>another question for you yes, did the shoes go with

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<v Speaker 2>the hat? No? Okay. Third question that it's ridiculous I do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a mashup because you finally broke it. You're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I got one, that it's the end.

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<v Speaker 3>So did you know that until nineteen ninety six the

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<v Speaker 3>British government considered bagpipes a weapon of war.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not surprised. I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 3>But it all goes back to Cullawdon right, oh wow, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>everything goes back.

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<v Speaker 2>With the Scots in the English.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And so the Brits captured a Scottish piper and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, convicted him of treason and said that the

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<v Speaker 3>weapon he was carrying the pipes. And because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the bagpipes are used to wrap I mean you can

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<v Speaker 3>hear for souper far.

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<v Speaker 2>Away, and they make good for both scaring and for

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<v Speaker 2>organized organizing your keys exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's like when you're used to hearing the sound

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<v Speaker 3>if it's not super jarring to you. Then it is

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<v Speaker 3>like rousing and it's stirring, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It can be all that, you know, how you play it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's basically it's what you make of it. And so anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen ninety six, this dude was in Hampstead Heath in

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<v Speaker 3>London and he wouldn't stop playing the bagpipes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a big public place too to be doing that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and all the neighbors were like, oh, stop because

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<v Speaker 3>some people.

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<v Speaker 2>Really hate pipes.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and so and I don't know what time

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<v Speaker 3>of day he was playing these things, so maybe it

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<v Speaker 3>was like early in the morning, but either way, so

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<v Speaker 3>he's playing these pipes and then he gets busted with

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<v Speaker 3>his fine for disturbing the peace. But then his lawyer

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<v Speaker 3>points out that that decision in seventeen forty six declaring it,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a weapon of war was never overturned, so

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<v Speaker 3>he couldn't be charged with an eighteen nineties by law

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<v Speaker 3>of disturbing the piece with a musical instrument because it

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<v Speaker 3>was actually a weapon of war. And so then it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>the you know, the magistrates will wait a second, So then.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you carrying the weapon of war?

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<v Speaker 3>A dangerous weapon instead of so it goes back and forth,

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<v Speaker 3>back and forth, he winds up. They write a new

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<v Speaker 3>law that in times of war it's a weapon of war,

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<v Speaker 3>times of peace, it's a musical instrument. And he had

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<v Speaker 3>to pay the fines for annoying.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you at least get his name attached to the law.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. Ah, you got to get your

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<v Speaker 2>name attached to that law.

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<v Speaker 3>Come on, not when you've got a piper, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is ridiculous. That is definitely ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I told you about. That's the ridiculous. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>imagine you're some badass rock star. You know, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to imagine. Okay, yeah, so keep that energy now.

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine that you're the kind of guy the girl

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<v Speaker 2>who snarls at pop razzi. And also you're the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of rock star like kicks their own fans oh right,

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<v Speaker 2>and like you're the kind whose own band hates him, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And then like you get arrested at a bar in

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<v Speaker 2>Canada and for being a douchebag, and everyone's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone loves it. Okay, it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 5>That is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>This is ridiculous crime. My podcast about absurd and outrageous capabis,

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<v Speaker 2>heists and cons. Daddy is always ninety motor free and ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Ridiculous Elizabeth. Today, I want to talk to you about J. S. Bach,

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<v Speaker 2>the Canadian American rock star. Wait, got my notes mixed up?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean sp Bach as in Sebastian Philip Bach, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>leads singer of the band skid Row. I loved that band.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the idea, Oh my god, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>huge fan for real, did you really? I know you

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<v Speaker 2>love guns and roses. So this is like too far afield,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's way more of that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, yeah, there's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was gonna I had like looked up song

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<v Speaker 2>titles to jar your memory. You can be singing lyrics

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<v Speaker 2>back then? I yes, I am. Oh wow. So then okay,

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<v Speaker 2>fun fact, do you know that Sebastian Bach is a

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<v Speaker 2>stage name that I didn't know? Wow? I got something

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<v Speaker 2>in that. Okay, so he was makes sense? Yeah, of

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<v Speaker 2>course he was born in Sebastian, but he was not

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<v Speaker 2>born a Bach. He was born a Berk. B I

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<v Speaker 2>E r k y kind of ringing the bells. Sebastian

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<v Speaker 2>Philip Berk born in the Bahamas in April nineteen sixty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Family soon moved to what would become his hometown of Peterborough, Ontario.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember that town name. It'll come up again later. What

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<v Speaker 2>do you know of Sebastian Bach? You like, just when

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<v Speaker 2>you think of him beyond like, oh, he's got that

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<v Speaker 2>great you know, I don't know voic hair hair. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I know that he's a total jerk. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he has a total Did he do like reality tea? Lately?

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<v Speaker 2>He's been really acting on Broadway.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw a video not too long ago on Instagram

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<v Speaker 3>of him drunk singing in like a hotel that sounds right,

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<v Speaker 3>at a conference for and I'm not sure what it

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<v Speaker 3>was for, and I just didn't have a heart to

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<v Speaker 3>open it up and really look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that sounds about right. Yeah. So the band skied

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<v Speaker 2>Row your favorite. Their first album, upon eponymously titled skid Row,

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<v Speaker 2>was came out in nineteen eighty nine. Uh huh and uh.

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<v Speaker 2>They followed that up with Slave to the Grind, came

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<v Speaker 2>out in nineteen ninety one, sophomore album. Both of those

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<v Speaker 2>huge hits multi platinum. Yeah. Right, And so let's just

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<v Speaker 2>go over some song titles eighteen in life. That was

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<v Speaker 2>like the Yeah, that was I loved it. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>do you remember I remember you? Yeah? That was the

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<v Speaker 2>power ballad. Hey, there you go. Yeah. They were both

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<v Speaker 2>like Billboard Hot one hundreds, Oh yeah, the heavy MTV rotation, yes, yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>monkey business that one worked. Yeah, I can't remember that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of youth gone wild. Oh yeah yeah. The other

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<v Speaker 2>title hit Slave to the Grind, Yeah, that was the title,

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<v Speaker 2>and then like A Wasted Time that's another power ballot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I figured i'd bring up I wanted to range experience.

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<v Speaker 2>So their third album, sub Human Race, that came out

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety five. I don't know anything about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Critics liked it, some loved it. Fans were like, nah,

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<v Speaker 2>because Brune, it happened years past the point of Grind

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone's like, oh, skid Row is still making music.

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<v Speaker 2>That's wild. I had no interest, but that's interesting. So

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<v Speaker 2>at this point there's still alive. Yeah exactly. That marked

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of them playing like state and county fairs.

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<v Speaker 2>Later on they would be doing reunion tours, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was all like that was their future, right, Let's don't

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the rough years, at least not yet let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the fun beginning the early years. From what

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<v Speaker 2>I understand, John bon Jovi is to blame for skid row.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I did, I can't, but like it is

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<v Speaker 2>his fault. Yeah, I think, aren't the rest of them

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<v Speaker 2>from New Jersey? Yes, I didn't know this. So the

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<v Speaker 2>band was coming up, everyone knew it, who knew them,

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone in the music industry on the East Coast,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically in the New York, New Jersey area and include Philly.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they could see that they were on the

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<v Speaker 2>cusp of breaking right. Everyone's like, oh my god, they're

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<v Speaker 2>so close to success. And then that's when their boat

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<v Speaker 2>begins to sink. Right when they're just you know, within

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<v Speaker 2>view of the coast, the boat begins to sink. And

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<v Speaker 2>then at this point steps in bad Boy of New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 2>John bon Jovi, John bon Giovy. Yes. Well, first it

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<v Speaker 2>was his parents, John bon Jovi's dad, John Bonjovy, a senior,

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<v Speaker 2>a barber, and former marine, and his lovely wife Carol

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<v Speaker 2>bon Govy, who was coincidentally also a former marine, but

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<v Speaker 2>also a former playboy Bunny Wait. John bon Jovi's mom

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<v Speaker 2>was a playboy bunny Yes, Anna Marine and later a florist.

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<v Speaker 2>This is fantastic, assuming Carol had stories. Carol, Yeah, yeah. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>they're together at a wedding, Carol and John bon Jovi

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<v Speaker 2>Senior and the rock photographer Mark Weis is getting betrothed.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's there and he's got a young Sebastian Box

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<v Speaker 2>singing at the reception, and John bon Jovi's parents are impressed,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were like, you know, our sons in the

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<v Speaker 2>music business, and you should call him. In fact, you

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<v Speaker 2>should call his friend Dave Sabo. He needs a singer

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<v Speaker 2>for his band. Have you ever been to New Jersey? So, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know this. Dave Sabo was the original guitarist

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<v Speaker 2>for the band of a little band called bon Jovi. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>He was later replaced by Richie Sambora, who everybody knows. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a cowboy on a steel horse. He right, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So Dave Sabo was John bon Jovi's childhood friend. They

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<v Speaker 2>grew up in the same hood in New Jersey. They

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<v Speaker 2>went way back, right, So anyway, young Sebastian Bach he

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<v Speaker 2>does as John bon Jovi's parents tell him to do.

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<v Speaker 2>He rings Dave Sabo and the band is like, yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 2>you should come out to New Jersey. We're having tryouts.

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<v Speaker 2>And Sebastian Bok's like, okay, I'll be there amen. So

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<v Speaker 2>he flies out to New Jersey from Canada. He does

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<v Speaker 2>his killer audition, apparently because skid Row offers him the job.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're like, you nailed it, kid. Nineteen eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>Sebastian Bach joins the band. He's the new lead singer.

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<v Speaker 2>Now they're breack headed for success. Yeah right, soon enough,

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<v Speaker 2>he's now the face of the band because the lead

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<v Speaker 2>singer is gonna be the face of the band. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's their band and they hire this kid and he

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<v Speaker 2>becomes the face of the band, and the band it

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<v Speaker 2>does indeed blow up. In nineteen eighty nine, band drops

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<v Speaker 2>their debut album, The skid Row Huge Hit, YadA, YadA, YadA.

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<v Speaker 2>A little while back, Sebastian Bach he had dropped a memoir.

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<v Speaker 2>He looked back at those heady days of the rock

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<v Speaker 2>stardom in the late eighties and early nineties. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>wistfully remembering like, oh, it's so great you could get

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<v Speaker 2>drugs anywhere time. Yeah, exactly. I had all these teams

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<v Speaker 2>of lawyers. So he also brought up his feud with

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<v Speaker 2>John bon Jovi, the man whose parents started his career

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<v Speaker 2>because they got into a feud once he was a star.

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<v Speaker 2>So Jo not know that. I didn't either. John bon

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<v Speaker 2>Jovi was critical to skid row success everything, and I

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<v Speaker 2>also remember the band his childhood frame band. So he's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be a protective of the band. And now they've

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<v Speaker 2>got this like full of themselves Canadian hair metal kid

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm the band. So the band's about to drop

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<v Speaker 2>their debut album. John bon Jovi goes, I'm gonna help

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<v Speaker 2>them out, so let's take them out on the road.

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<v Speaker 2>They can open for bon Jovi. That'll be a huge boost. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So they're doing their nineteen eighty eight, nineteen eighty nine

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<v Speaker 2>and New Jersey Syndicate tour. I'm not sure if you

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<v Speaker 2>remember this. No I don't. I didn't know. The story

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<v Speaker 2>goes skid Row's opening for John bon Jovi and it's

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<v Speaker 2>going well, perhaps too well. The band's album comes out,

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<v Speaker 2>fans coming out to see John bon jovire and suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>folks coming out to see skid Row the opener. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so that because a little tension between the bands, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and then also apparently the merch numbers shift and John

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<v Speaker 2>bon Jovi's band, it's as much Merchant skid Row. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, but I find it all kind of hard

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<v Speaker 2>to believe in that part of the telling. What I

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<v Speaker 2>do believe is it in nineteen eighty nine, while they're

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<v Speaker 2>watching the stratospheric rise of skid Row, it goes to

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<v Speaker 2>Sebastian box Head. That's why I hear what happened? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think too, what is it eight?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what album on Jovi was supporting with

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<v Speaker 3>the tour, but I feel like at this point like

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<v Speaker 3>they had peaked.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes they were, They were definitely crush.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's like just about to go into a solo career, right,

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<v Speaker 3>like I think pretty much, yeah, and so yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 3>just then you get like and and skid Row. We're

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<v Speaker 3>super MTV ready, Yes, you know, like it was.

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<v Speaker 2>And there they don't know it, but the whole window

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<v Speaker 2>on this rock music is very quickly closed. They got

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<v Speaker 2>two years essentially. Yeah, that's it, and then it'll be

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<v Speaker 2>nobody wants you what you're doing anymore?

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly you and rat you know, so one night, sure

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<v Speaker 4>warrant and get in.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, Sebastian Bach though doesn't know this, so

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<v Speaker 2>success has gone to his head. An old sea bass

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<v Speaker 2>starts to piss off his fellow front man John bon Jovi.

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<v Speaker 2>One night after their set, John bon Jovi comes over

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<v Speaker 2>to the skid Row dressing room and, as Sebastian Bach

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<v Speaker 2>tells it, he stared me down and said the words

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<v Speaker 2>I'll own you. So another big you know potty.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>After that, bon jovin skid Row had beef right. So

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<v Speaker 2>later on in the tour, the stage crew for bon

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<v Speaker 2>Jovi starts allegedly throwing milk all over Sebastian Bak just

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<v Speaker 2>before he's supposed to go out on stage, right, so

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<v Speaker 2>he's covered in melt. I don't know. Yeah, So he

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<v Speaker 2>goes out on stage anyway because he's like, I'll show

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<v Speaker 2>you guys, and then he launches into this rant about

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<v Speaker 2>what a bunch of posers bon Jovi are and the headliners,

0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:24.199
<v Speaker 2>and he calls the lead singer, John Bond blow me

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<v Speaker 2>to all the fames in front of a fans who

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<v Speaker 2>came to see bon Jovi well drenched and trenched him out.

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<v Speaker 2>As Newton would tell you, Isaac Newton, every action has

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<v Speaker 2>a reaction. Is on stage rant against bon Jovi at

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<v Speaker 2>their show led to a New Jersey sized reaction, not

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<v Speaker 2>the state, like I'm from New Jersey and this is

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<v Speaker 2>what's gonna be the reaction. So back to Sebastian Bach.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw about sixty people coming towards us. They're backstage,

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<v Speaker 2>crowd of sixty people in the back just coming at them.

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<v Speaker 2>Leading the charge of this road crew and pissed off

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<v Speaker 2>like people is former marine John bon Jovic, followed closely

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<v Speaker 2>by his son, John bon Jovi Junior. John bon Jovi

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<v Speaker 2>Junior marches right up to Sebastian Bak and he gets

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<v Speaker 2>in his face and he shouts, I heard what you

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<v Speaker 2>said on my stage, and then he threw a punch,

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<v Speaker 2>but his punch was poorly aimed and it missed wide

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<v Speaker 2>of his target apparently. And now before frontman on frontman

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<v Speaker 2>violence can go any and get get any bigger and

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<v Speaker 2>get any uglier, the road crew grabs Sebastian Bach and

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<v Speaker 2>slams them up against the wall. There's between these Oh yeah, definitely,

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<v Speaker 2>he's much taller than John bon Jovi. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how he could get in his face, you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>got in his chest. So anyway, the road crew now

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<v Speaker 2>was like holding him up against the wall and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>getting like something for John bon Jovi to stand on

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<v Speaker 2>and get in his face again. Yeah so, but the

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<v Speaker 2>at this point, you know, they're also just mad. He

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<v Speaker 2>like dared not to get hit by an initial pro right.

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<v Speaker 2>So meanwhile, the former marine daddy bon John Job, he

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<v Speaker 2>shoves an angry figure in Sebastian Bok's face and he

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<v Speaker 2>starts shouting at him. Right, according to Sebastian Bar, there's

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<v Speaker 2>Carolyn All, she's being reasonable, she's just working on a caress.

0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:07.400
<v Speaker 2>She's calling in the big guns. She's pulling a carmelo.

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<v Speaker 2>The phone rings at the bottom bank. Yeah. So Sebastian Bach,

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<v Speaker 2>who was there, tells us bon Jovi Senior pointed in

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<v Speaker 2>my face as I was held against the wall, and

0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.440
<v Speaker 2>he said I'll kill you or something like that. So

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<v Speaker 2>after everybody's getting all their potty mouth anger out after

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<v Speaker 2>that encounter Sebastian Bach versus John bon Jovi, the feud

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<v Speaker 2>simmers for another decade, right until two thousand and six.

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<v Speaker 2>They meet in a London bar. They hug it out

0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.640
<v Speaker 2>like bros. They say, man, let's put the pass behind it.

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<v Speaker 2>How could you bite the hand that feeds you? Like

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<v Speaker 2>that where you like, do not know dad hooks?

0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:43.040
<v Speaker 3>She was yes, and then like how uncomfortable it makes

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<v Speaker 3>it in the band because like his band made.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah your friend exactly. Yeah, I didn't know any of

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<v Speaker 2>that dynamic about the band. Fun fact that I did

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<v Speaker 2>learn while researching this one. In nineteen eighty a young

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<v Speaker 2>bon Jovi, that's John bon Jovi, just him, not the

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<v Speaker 2>whole band, had no professional credits to his name, right,

0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:01.560
<v Speaker 2>but he we'd have a little band called the Rest

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<v Speaker 2>that's it, right, not the best name, but whatever. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>he's working at a recording studio pushing a broom, just

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<v Speaker 2>like Chris Christofferson did. And again, this is nineteen eighty, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So there's this massive hit out there still shaping pop culture.

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<v Speaker 2>And this massive hit was called Star Wars, came out

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<v Speaker 2>years prior, but still an Empire is going to come

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<v Speaker 2>out that year, but it's still shaping the culture so

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<v Speaker 2>much that there was a disco DJ in New Jersey

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<v Speaker 2>who was looking for a way to cash in on

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<v Speaker 2>all that Star Wars loose money around in the culture.

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<v Speaker 2>This disco producer was named Miko, and he was working

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<v Speaker 2>on a little project called Christmas in the Stars. The

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<v Speaker 2>Star Wars Christmas album, because the thinking was kids would

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<v Speaker 2>ask their parents to buy anything with the words Star

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<v Speaker 2>Wars on it, right, true. So remember, yeah, as I

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<v Speaker 2>said John bon Jovi June.

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<v Speaker 3>You owned the like for years, late seventies, eighties, mid eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>If you put Star Wars on something or picture of

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<v Speaker 2>an e wall, it works like that today it still does. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's exactly. It's just like a money printing machine. It's

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<v Speaker 2>why Disney bought it, that's right. So John bon Joe

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<v Speaker 2>he's pushing his room at this recording studio and now

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<v Speaker 2>he's there the day they're recording Christmas in the Stars,

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<v Speaker 2>the Star Wars Christmas album, and for one track, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't have the voice they need. So Johnny bon Jovi

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<v Speaker 2>is like, hey, I can sing, and so the disco

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<v Speaker 2>producers like, okay, baby, let's tell you pipes right, And

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<v Speaker 2>Johnny bon Jovi takes his place at the mic, and

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<v Speaker 2>when the track comes up, he starts singing the lyrics

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<v Speaker 2>to R two D two's version of we Wish You

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<v Speaker 2>a Merry Christmas. Wait, and that's how John bon Jovi

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<v Speaker 2>got his first professional music crack. He just started with

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<v Speaker 2>an R two D two. He just did like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>he sings, I don't know he sings the lyrics. R

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<v Speaker 2>two two can't sing here, he can't be boobop his

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<v Speaker 2>way through. He's like accent, he's like scatting. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>what is an R two D two accent?

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<v Speaker 3>I know in your deep bag of accents, you've got

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<v Speaker 3>an R two D two accents.

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<v Speaker 2>The whistles, though, are so hard to it's like and

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<v Speaker 2>then he's like, just like that, just like that. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you all have heard that the main Star

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<v Speaker 2>Wars theme by Miko, like the disco version, right, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, no, definitely it's so good. Yeah, I want

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<v Speaker 2>the album now. It's a banger. No, it definitely is. Yeah.

0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.119
<v Speaker 2>It's the reason why he's like, let's do a Christmas

0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.479
<v Speaker 2>album because people are like, this is dope. I got

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<v Speaker 2>more dope. Yeah, So there you go. From a flagrant

0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.719
<v Speaker 2>cash grab, John bon Jovi gets his first one. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>this sounds like many of my my bad weekends. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's take a little break, slip into something comfortable, listen

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<v Speaker 2>to some ads, and after these messages we'll get into

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<v Speaker 2>the battle and box. Yes, okay, Elizabeth Jaren. At this point,

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<v Speaker 2>I've pulled this bowstring back far enough to make it

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<v Speaker 2>nice and tough. You ready to see this arrowfly? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>So in nineteen ninety six, Sebastian Bach was fired from

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<v Speaker 2>his band skid Row. He had a good run, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>last year, from nineteen eighty seven to nineteen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 2>at least three good years. Yeah, and then just a

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<v Speaker 2>full nine year run, you know. So anyway, that's one

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<v Speaker 2>year longer than the American Revolution. The reason why Sebastian

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<v Speaker 2>Bach was fired from skid Row remains the matter of

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<v Speaker 2>myth and speculation, oh the gossip of heavy metal roadies

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<v Speaker 2>and groupies. But there are certain rumors, like there's one

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<v Speaker 2>rumor that Sebastian Bach was fired from skid Row because

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted the band to play as an opener for

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<v Speaker 2>one of his favorite childhood bands. Want I guess what

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<v Speaker 2>band Sebastian Bach idolized as a kid and was willing

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<v Speaker 2>to risk it all to tour with.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, do you know the storys Oh, my god, you're good.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to think of like what you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just not a big fan of j at his agent?

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<v Speaker 2>What's theme for his age? And like a megaband that

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<v Speaker 2>went still being around but like lame. Yeah exactly. The

0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.200
<v Speaker 2>people be like what just going.

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<v Speaker 3>Like super hard or like really, oh my god, they're

0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.920
<v Speaker 3>amazing musicians, and it's like this, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's not risking for the MC five, he's exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just tracks. So Sebastian Bach was he wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>open for Kiss, and the rest of skid Row was like,

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<v Speaker 2>will they be wearing the makeup and they're lays up

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<v Speaker 2>boots and capes. Yeah, that's not really what they said.

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<v Speaker 2>But what did happen is Elizabeth, let me take you back.

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<v Speaker 2>It was nineteen ninety six. Grunge was big hair metals

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<v Speaker 2>out at this point. Oh yeah, has cut their hair right?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So at this point in the culture therapy exactly,

0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:40.280
<v Speaker 2>they're doing anger management. So neither skid Row nor Kiss

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<v Speaker 2>is at the top of the charts anymore, but they

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<v Speaker 2>both still have armies of loyal fans and they're not

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<v Speaker 2>too old to rock and roll.

0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:49.760
<v Speaker 3>Ninety six too, we're getting through grunge into new metal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly, we're making that shift. So when Kiss announces

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<v Speaker 2>like what silver Chair happens, Everyone's like, Okay, grunge is

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<v Speaker 2>not Let's move on. So when Kiss announces a reunion tour,

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<v Speaker 2>they reach out to Sebastia Bach, who is a Kiss

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<v Speaker 2>superstan as I said, and they asked if skid Row

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<v Speaker 2>wants to go on tour with Kiss and open for

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<v Speaker 2>the glam demons of rock and roll, and Sebastian Bach

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<v Speaker 2>is like, yes, absolutely yes, oh my god, jumping up

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<v Speaker 2>and down. And then he goes to tell his bandmates

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, no, absolutely not. And so I guess

0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:18.640
<v Speaker 2>they had different opinions about what cool was. And uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Sebastian Bach was on Steve O's podcast Wild Ride, and

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<v Speaker 2>he recounted the events as best as he could remember

0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:27.840
<v Speaker 2>them again rockstar so Memory, but Accordian Sebastian Bak's jin

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<v Speaker 2>Soak Memory. The bass player Rachel Bolin had a tour

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<v Speaker 2>planned with their side project, a punk band he'd started

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<v Speaker 2>with skid Row's Roadies, So that was why Sebastian Bach

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get to play with his childhood heroes.

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<v Speaker 6>Ok.

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<v Speaker 2>So he reached out to John bon Jovi's childhood friend,

0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Old Dave Sabo, guitarist for the band, and Sebastian Bach

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<v Speaker 2>had some thoughts about this, like, oh, he's playing with

0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:49.399
<v Speaker 2>a punk band, I don't get to play with Kiss,

0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:52.440
<v Speaker 2>and he wanted the skid Row guitarist Sabo to hear

0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:55.320
<v Speaker 2>his thoughts, and so as Sebastian Bach told Steve Oh

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<v Speaker 2>the story, and I quote, I called the guitar player

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Sable and then let him know what I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't pick up, so I just went you and

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<v Speaker 2>I just let him know what I thought of him

0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:08.880
<v Speaker 2>not letting me play with Kiss at the reunion tour

0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.399
<v Speaker 2>of Kiss in New Jersey at the Meadowlands Arena. So

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth again, this is nineteen ninety six. It's ninety six,

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<v Speaker 2>which is key to the story because in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>six people had answering machines for their house phone. Yeah

0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:23.080
<v Speaker 2>you remember those, right. I for some answering machines, while

0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:25.919
<v Speaker 2>the person is leaving a message, it plays on his speakerphone.

0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.520
<v Speaker 2>So anyone standing there in the room with that phone

0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:32.200
<v Speaker 2>can hear the message as it's being left and recorded.

0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:34.359
<v Speaker 2>This is it used to be great for scenes in

0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:37.680
<v Speaker 2>dumb comedies. Well keep that energy in mind, dumb comedy,

0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:40.399
<v Speaker 2>because turns out Dave Sabo saw who was calling. He's like,

0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:42.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm not answering that, but he did, so he didn't

0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:44.159
<v Speaker 2>pick up the call, but he did stand there and

0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:48.000
<v Speaker 2>listen to the message on speakerphone. So as Sebastian Bach

0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:51.040
<v Speaker 2>is leaving it and Dave Sabo though wasn't alone because

0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:53.560
<v Speaker 2>the way Sebastian Bach tells the story to Tears Steve

0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:57.400
<v Speaker 2>oh And quote, he goes, my whole family heard that

0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:01.000
<v Speaker 2>message that came out of the speaker and my whole

0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:04.119
<v Speaker 2>family was there. So that was it. That was what

0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:06.760
<v Speaker 2>was the old cliche. Back to Sebastian Bach, that was

0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.359
<v Speaker 2>the last straw. If you asked the bass player in them,

0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:11.440
<v Speaker 2>they will say that there was a lot of leading

0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.080
<v Speaker 2>up to that, but that was the very last straw.

0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.639
<v Speaker 2>So I guess, yeah, why he got fired from the

0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:21.160
<v Speaker 2>band because he left a message and irritated his bandmate,

0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:24.880
<v Speaker 2>John bon Jovi's best friend, screaming at him and being

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<v Speaker 2>way too family for a family from New Jersey. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know how hard it is to see their standards,

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<v Speaker 2>like they've heard some stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>It's I've known bands that have broken up and they're

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<v Speaker 3>looking for an excuse if one person is the catalyst

0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:43.720
<v Speaker 3>and they're like, oh, oh it was that.

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<v Speaker 2>There was like wait, what a lot more? But I

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<v Speaker 2>think you're on. But if we dig his word for it,

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't fired from Sandro because he said yes to kiss,

0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:52.760
<v Speaker 2>but he was booted for the band because he was

0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:56.360
<v Speaker 2>a pompous, spoiled rock star essentially right, no one wanted

0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:58.000
<v Speaker 2>to be around him because they're sick of having to

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<v Speaker 2>hold the bag of his bad behavior. So any that

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<v Speaker 2>brings us to the story I wanted to tell you today. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>what was the name of that Canadian town I told

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<v Speaker 2>you remember up top? Peter something real close? It is Peterborough. Peterborough,

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:12.840
<v Speaker 2>all right, it's easy to remember. Just think spider Man, right,

0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:16.200
<v Speaker 2>is Peter Parker. Peter Parker is from the Borough of Queens.

0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Peter Peterborough. Boom spider Man equals Peterborough has memory trick, Elizabeth.

0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:27.880
<v Speaker 2>You'd keep that one for free. It's on the house. Seriously,

0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:29.959
<v Speaker 2>come to my seminar this weekend. I'm at the Ramata

0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:32.280
<v Speaker 2>n out by the airport. Anyway, the scene of this

0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:35.720
<v Speaker 2>crime was Riley's Old Town Pub in Sebastian Box, hometown

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<v Speaker 2>of where Peter Peterborough. That's old by the way with

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<v Speaker 2>no e at the end. But the town has an

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<v Speaker 2>athi end like they couldn't make up their mind which

0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:46.840
<v Speaker 2>way they wanted to go the old Towny's Old Town Pub,

0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:50.159
<v Speaker 2>old Town Pub on the end of old but at

0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:52.159
<v Speaker 2>the end of town. So what about at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of pub. No, so they decided they split the difference

0:23:57.880 --> 0:23:59.800
<v Speaker 2>on their old time events, like we can only afford

0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:03.240
<v Speaker 2>one e. Yeah, so it's November IDEs of November, in fact,

0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:06.200
<v Speaker 2>November fifteenth. Yeah. So one thing I thought was funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Every single news story that covered this incident made sure

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<v Speaker 2>to include the phrase Sebastian Buck whose real name is

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:18.240
<v Speaker 2>Sebastian Berk to bust him out or maybe there's a

0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:20.200
<v Speaker 2>lot of people to know. I read the arrest report.

0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:20.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what.

0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:23.480
<v Speaker 3>It's just like, if you're not familiar with him, they're like, wait,

0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:25.040
<v Speaker 3>this man's name is They're.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's not it's

0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:30.440
<v Speaker 2>not that cool. Don't put on airs. It's beer. It's

0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:34.360
<v Speaker 2>actually really lame. So what's the stories? Eric, great question, Elizabeth,

0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, thank you. At the time, Sebastian back,

0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:39.440
<v Speaker 2>forty two year old former rock star turned Broadway actor

0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:43.040
<v Speaker 2>and part time reality TV person acting with a side

0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:48.640
<v Speaker 2>of reunion tour hopeful now reality TV h one, I'm

0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:52.600
<v Speaker 2>not going to yeah, exactly. The brother in the house, yay.

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<v Speaker 2>So in his hometown of where Elizabeth, Peterborough. There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, spider Man Canada. In an exclusive interview the

0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:03.679
<v Speaker 2>music and culture outlet Blabbermouth, Sebastian Bach recalled that and

0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:06.560
<v Speaker 2>I quote, I went to Peterborough to deal with my

0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:08.919
<v Speaker 2>dad's estate and pack up his art and put it

0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:10.879
<v Speaker 2>in the truck and drive it in New Jersey. It

0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:13.720
<v Speaker 2>was pure misery. So that was a rough day. One

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:15.600
<v Speaker 2>of my friends wanted to sing a song to me,

0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:18.440
<v Speaker 2>a song at the microphone, and the owner wouldn't letter.

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:22.119
<v Speaker 2>So right off, we've got an emotionally stressed rockstea with

0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:26.600
<v Speaker 2>aging family care issues. Right, that's always difficult, be super stressful. Yeah,

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:28.600
<v Speaker 2>he said, rough day, we've all.

0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:31.359
<v Speaker 3>You know, when a friend says I want to sing

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:32.840
<v Speaker 3>a song to you in.

0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:36.600
<v Speaker 2>A bar to make you feel better, that's rough. That

0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:39.160
<v Speaker 2>puts me through the ringer. So he and his friends,

0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 2>that is traumatic.

0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:43.680
<v Speaker 3>You friend is like, I want to sing a song

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 3>to you.

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 2>In public, probably a bar in your hometown. You tell

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 2>me all about it later. So they decided that, you know,

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 2>maybe some impromptu karaoke will cheer up Sea Bass, right,

0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:57.560
<v Speaker 2>but the man won't let them sing. So what's a

0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:00.840
<v Speaker 2>rock and roll rebel like Sea Bass supposed to do well?

0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:03.679
<v Speaker 2>From some media reports, I read Sebastian Bach had a

0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:07.119
<v Speaker 2>essentially going up to the stage where there was a

0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:10.200
<v Speaker 2>house musician playing. I imagine a guy with a guitar. Yeah,

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:13.480
<v Speaker 2>he asked, yeah, maybe, But he asked if his friend

0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Ken Sagan for the bar patrons, do you know what

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:17.440
<v Speaker 2>song it was? No, I don't know what song they

0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:19.919
<v Speaker 2>want to I know I didn't. I looked up as

0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:22.080
<v Speaker 2>much as I could for this one. So the house

0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:25.159
<v Speaker 2>musician was like, yeah, cool, cool, Yeah, man, sure, you

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:26.679
<v Speaker 2>just need to ask the owner if it's cool. And

0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:28.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean his name's Jim. He's right over there. You'd

0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 2>ask him, he'll let you. No, Sebastian Bach didn't want

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:33.200
<v Speaker 2>to go through all that hassle, right, so he said

0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:35.159
<v Speaker 2>he went back to his seat with his friends and

0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:38.880
<v Speaker 2>I guess they've been drinking a little bit already. Yeah maybe,

0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:40.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, they say they were going around the world

0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 2>like annoying teenagers at this point. Either way, they decided

0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:46.160
<v Speaker 2>they'll get the bar owner to come over to them.

0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:49.200
<v Speaker 2>So they start pelting the house musician with ice cubes

0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:52.560
<v Speaker 2>from where they're seated, right, But this isn't a big place.

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 2>This isn't like a raucous dive bar. Just imagine a

0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:59.239
<v Speaker 2>small Canadian old town pub. Now the bar owner, he

0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:01.359
<v Speaker 2>does come over to their table, and he asked Sebastian

0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:04.520
<v Speaker 2>back to chill the f out, stop throwing ice cubes

0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:06.960
<v Speaker 2>at the house musician and heckling him, because they also

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:09.240
<v Speaker 2>started heckling the kid who's just up there, like on

0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:11.600
<v Speaker 2>a stool with a guitar. At that point, Sebastian Bach

0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:14.200
<v Speaker 2>starts throwing ice cubes at the bar owner's face, who's

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:16.159
<v Speaker 2>just right there in front of him. Like, I'm not

0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:18.440
<v Speaker 2>a rock star, Elizabeth. I've never been a rock star,

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:20.720
<v Speaker 2>but I have to assume if I were a rock star,

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 2>I would know that throwing ice cubes at the some

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:26.720
<v Speaker 2>house musician is not the way to get what I want. No, specifically,

0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 2>I want to share the stage, kids working through the

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Indigo girls cat out. Dude, I don't think ice cubes

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:37.840
<v Speaker 2>are going to sway a Canadian bar owner anyway. The

0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:40.040
<v Speaker 2>bar owner's like, okay, time for you to go. So

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.160
<v Speaker 2>at this point, real rockstar energy comes into play. Sebastian

0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 2>Bach apparently decided to be the one who was offended,

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 2>so he's like, how dare you I am a former

0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:52.640
<v Speaker 2>lead singer of an eighties hair metal ban skin Row,

0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:55.320
<v Speaker 2>how dare you ask me to leave this premises? And

0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 2>the bar owners like, you threw ice at my classical

0:27:57.640 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 2>guitar player. Get out? Yeah, so I don't know it

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:03.160
<v Speaker 2>was a class guitar player. I just that's even better.

0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:04.960
<v Speaker 2>It's a classical guitar player.

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:09.120
<v Speaker 3>And he's just like doing all these like and then

0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 3>he's like, my friend.

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Was to power ballad, you know eighteen in life. Now,

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 2>what I haven't told you up until now so they

0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 2>wanted to save it is that this is all going

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:24.879
<v Speaker 2>down in a wine bar. Wait, the Old Cube is

0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:25.800
<v Speaker 2>a wine bar?

0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 3>Yes, Oh my god, do they do like a sip

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:29.240
<v Speaker 3>and paint thing.

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:32.520
<v Speaker 2>It gets better when Sebastian Bak takes issue with the owner.

0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:35.159
<v Speaker 2>He stands up with his wine glass and attempts to

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:37.880
<v Speaker 2>swan out of the place, feeling all hurt and wounded.

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 2>So the bar owners like, you can't leave with that

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 2>glass of wine. Yeah, He's like he's doing his best

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 2>impression of Rihanna leaving with a glass of wine. But

0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:48.480
<v Speaker 2>he's like, when re Rey does it, it's like ultra cool.

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:51.200
<v Speaker 2>When Sebastian Bak does it, just like me getting kicked

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:53.320
<v Speaker 2>out of a bar in like a shopping mall in Florida,

0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 2>it's just not nearly as cool. So it's like real

0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 2>bad mammagama behavior.

0:28:57.640 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 2>So, on his way to being escorted out the door,

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Sebastian Bach asked himself what would a real rockstar do

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 2>in this moment of petulance, and then he did his

0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 2>best impression of that. So he decides he will take

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 2>his unfinished glass of wine and throw it down at

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:13.200
<v Speaker 2>the floor, like I'm leaving anyway. I don't need this.

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 2>So in an interview with the outlet Checks TV, which

0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 2>I have to assumes a Canadian TV station and not

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 2>a media outlet for the fine makers of Checks partys

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 2>and cereals. But actually I did Checks. I thought you

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 2>may ask checks TV is a local TV station coming

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 2>out of Peterborough, Ontario in the north.

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, is it there like public Access? No, it's like

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:36.600
<v Speaker 4>a local channel just like Czechoslovakian. I think they do

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 4>C for Canada. And then everything's just like three letters.

0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't know anywhere TV. The bar owner said, he

0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 4>raised his hand and threw the wineglass with the wine

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 4>in it as hard as he could on the floor,

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:50.400
<v Speaker 4>shattering it. So at that point the bar owner was

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 4>like grab him and then decided, if you want to

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 4>have a job done right, you have to do it yourself.

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Was it a buttery shard or a rob Imagine it's

0:29:57.520 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 2>a red, a robust red. Yeah, so maybe like a

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 2>like a uh maybe at Murlow. He seems like that

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of guy to drink. I just like it.

0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's like a Pinot Grigio, like a light summer.

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 2>One he likes to So at this point, the bar

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:15.600
<v Speaker 2>owner goes and tackles Sebastian Bach before he gets out

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 2>the door so he can hold him for the police.

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 2>And as Sebastian Bach tells the story to Blabbermouth, I

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:22.840
<v Speaker 2>ended up tackled up from behind. So the only thing

0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 2>I could do, of course, was bite the dude. Oh

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 2>of course. So drunk and asked to leave. Clearly embarrassed,

0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:31.320
<v Speaker 2>he decides to raise the steaks to assault in some

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 2>light cannibal cosplay Rashshha. There's a video of the incident

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 2>that corroborates that that's pretty much exactly what happens. Or

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:40.760
<v Speaker 2>you could take the word of Judd Smoke, who is

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 2>a friend of Sebastian Box Stop Judge, Stop suppress jud Smoke,

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 2>jud Smoke? Is he actually Jud's smirk? It's Judd's smoke.

0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean it could be like Smoke a Witz. I

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:53.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know. He may be a longer name. I have

0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 2>no idea. But he was there that night, and he

0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 2>will tell you if you ask him, or if you

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 2>don't ask him, as he told me the outlets at

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 2>the time, everybody is painting bass in a bad light.

0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 2>But he didn't do no attacking to no bar on

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 2>her as per se like I've seen on TV and

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 2>the internet. It was more than the other way around.

0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 3>I was there, Okay, so we need to go back

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 3>and test some grammar and mechanics. But also, was jud

0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 3>Smoked the guy who was like, I want to sing

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 3>to my friend.

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:25.640
<v Speaker 2>I love it. I think it was. I think it

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 2>was a girl who was with him. Let's say it was.

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Let's say it was.

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:30.160
<v Speaker 6>So.

0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:32.560
<v Speaker 2>At this point, Sebastian Bach picks back up the story

0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:35.000
<v Speaker 2>and he says, you know, okay, I threw a glass

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:36.720
<v Speaker 2>of wine on the ground because he kicked me out

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 2>of the bar. In my home town, you can go

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:43.160
<v Speaker 2>to friendlies with your grandma and she could drop a

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 2>glass of water on the ground. Nobody tackles her. You

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 2>broke a glass? What the So that was his take

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:51.240
<v Speaker 2>on the events.

0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:53.400
<v Speaker 3>I think if you want to paint yourself as a

0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 3>bad boy of rock and roll, you have to look

0:31:56.320 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 3>at like the pinnacle the version, and that's Keith Richards.

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Like would Keith Richards do this and do

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 2>it this way? Keith would not do that. You can

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:08.720
<v Speaker 2>even take a couple of steps down to Axel Rose

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 2>and be like, what, Axel.

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 3>Do you know? He would be like, you're acting like

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 3>trash Keith Richards Like.

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, she wouldn't even deign to talk to you.

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 3>Exactly. They're not going to pull all this. This is

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm right now. I am really up to my eyeballs

0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:25.800
<v Speaker 3>in like not being able to tolerate trash behavior. Oh yeah,

0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 3>like fighting in public or mouthing off about don't act

0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 3>like trash.

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Acting like you're in a reality TV. Yeah, but there's

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 2>no cameras. Yes, stop, Vladimir stop. So what was the

0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 2>result of all this bad behavior and the old Town

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:46.240
<v Speaker 2>pub and where Elizabeth Petersborough. So I got two words

0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 2>for you, rabies test stop. What is happening? Sebast Jim

0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Bach told Blabbermouth I had to go and take a

0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:59.720
<v Speaker 2>rabies test to make sure I didn't have communicable diseases.

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:04.000
<v Speaker 2>So we've talked about rabies because he bit the guy

0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:06.280
<v Speaker 2>so they had to go get a rais. He's a

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 2>dog that has to be tested for rabies. And you

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:11.240
<v Speaker 2>and I have talked about rabies personally, like and I

0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:12.560
<v Speaker 2>just got to say that sounds like one of the

0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 2>worst things I've ever heard about. And going up from rabies, I.

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 3>Ruined your day slash months, life month, dude.

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 2>The symptoms sounds like an old testament.

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:25.160
<v Speaker 3>There's someone left a comment somewhere on Reddit and if.

0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 2>You like search it like rabies like what happened.

0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:28.560
<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember the search function I use.

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 3>But it is like a detailed, moment by moment description

0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 3>of what happens from the moment you're bitten.

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:36.480
<v Speaker 2>They don't know it.

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 4>Yes, I read it a painful death and I'm horrified.

0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 3>I read it out loud to you and then I

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:44.719
<v Speaker 3>forwarded it to other people.

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 2>The whole fear of water is that is them. It

0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 2>makes you irrationally afraid of water, so much so that

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 2>the rabies wants you to go out and die, so

0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 2>that way scavengers will come along and eat your body

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:00.440
<v Speaker 2>and then the rabies get spread. But it's it's a

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:04.440
<v Speaker 2>genius alien virus. I hate it. Each each level of

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 2>it is just horrendous. It's one of the worst things

0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:07.960
<v Speaker 2>I've ever read.

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think I'll figure out a way that we

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:11.040
<v Speaker 3>can put the links.

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, it's terrible. Yeah. So anyway, the owner

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 2>of the bar demands a Sebastian Bach get a rabies

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 2>test because he doesn't want this either, right, and you

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:20.399
<v Speaker 2>know what, I don't blame him. So after he went

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:25.239
<v Speaker 2>to the doctor, gods, he's walking around rabbit. Well, I mean,

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:27.800
<v Speaker 2>one in a million is high enough for me. I

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:30.920
<v Speaker 2>think you're more likely to get some sort of STV.

0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:34.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, much more likely, but you can get both, Elizabeth. So,

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 2>after he went to the doctor for his mandatory court

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:42.280
<v Speaker 2>ordered rabies test, the Canadian American hair metal rocker proudly

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:45.440
<v Speaker 2>proclaimed to the world, happy to say, I'm rabies free.

0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm not rabbit. So there you go. Sebastian Bach legally

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 2>declared not rabbit.

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 3>I am so sorry for Canada and if you're one,

0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 3>they're nice people.

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:56.719
<v Speaker 2>They don't deserve most of the rock stars that come

0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 2>out of Canada, but Canada is like I don't just

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 2>come on. They're from Wisconsin, Neil Young, Nickelback, Chad Kroeger.

0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:07.800
<v Speaker 2>They're from Canada. Oh yeah. So if you were wondering

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:10.960
<v Speaker 2>about him catching charges, the Courts Center Ontario decided to

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:13.839
<v Speaker 2>drop the charges for the bite and the general ice

0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 2>cube battery. Yes for justice. Sebastian Bach did donate seven

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:20.840
<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars to charity as recompense for the broken wineglass.

0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:23.360
<v Speaker 2>What was the charity? I did not ask the Sebastian

0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:26.080
<v Speaker 2>box exactly. So there you go. That's your Sebastian Boch

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 2>fun for today. But you have one more story for

0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:32.160
<v Speaker 2>you about a Sebastian Bock as in the OG, Johann

0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Sebastian Boch, the guy. That guy also spent time inside

0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 2>locked up and guests. There's just something about them back boys, Elizabeth.

0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:44.040
<v Speaker 2>So let's take a break after these messages. I'll tell

0:35:44.040 --> 0:36:10.319
<v Speaker 2>you about the OG bad Boy Sebastian Box, Elizabeth, We're back, hi,

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 2>and have I got a hell of a finisher for you?

0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I bet you do.

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 3>So.

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:14.640
<v Speaker 2>I was doing some research, right and I had to

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:17.760
<v Speaker 2>go hit up Wikipedia to find out Sebastian Bach's parents' names.

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 2>And at the top of his Wikipedia page is this

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 2>disambiguation note. You know, one of those sentences has this

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:25.160
<v Speaker 2>article is about X for articles on why I see

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 2>this other person or whatever? Right well, on Sebastian Box

0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Wikipedia page is a disambiguation note, and he reads this

0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 2>article is about the heavy metal singer for the baroque

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:36.440
<v Speaker 2>composer see Johann Sebastian Bach, and I just want to

0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:38.440
<v Speaker 2>sit on the shoulder someone who's looking for info on

0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Johann Sebastian Bach and mistakenly reads Sebastian Box Wikipedia and

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 2>gets the two musicians confused. You're always telling people fun

0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:48.440
<v Speaker 2>facts about this genius, Sebastian Box. You know what's gonna happen.

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:48.799
<v Speaker 2>You know what?

0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:51.920
<v Speaker 4>He did a counterpoint chat gpt ais you have an

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 4>emergence scan that and then some ding dong fourth graders

0:36:56.560 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 4>he asked to write a report.

0:36:57.840 --> 0:37:01.480
<v Speaker 3>On Johann Sebastian Box talking about to and he's gonna

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:04.440
<v Speaker 3>go off on a wine bar brawl at the rabies

0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:08.439
<v Speaker 3>determination of the fourth grade teachers to be like, this

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:09.120
<v Speaker 3>is why I'm.

0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Quitting at the end of the year. I could just

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:13.160
<v Speaker 2>see it. The whole movie is playing out in my

0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:16.799
<v Speaker 2>head right now. So this this is what I want

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:19.480
<v Speaker 2>to tell you about the O. G. Bach, JS Bach,

0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Johann Sebastian, the real deal. Yeah. So primarily people in

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 2>the note say that Bach was a prolific composer, a

0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:29.080
<v Speaker 2>man who heard God in the notes of a clavichord.

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:32.200
<v Speaker 2>His most famous works are the Takata and Fugue and

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:36.359
<v Speaker 2>Reiner I mentioned that the brandon Burg Concertos, the Goldberg Variations,

0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 2>the well tempered Clavier. The man was known to bust

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 2>out a corral at the drop of the hat. Right,

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, generous lover. He came from a family of musicians.

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Keep that thought in mind. Oh God, he's chief among them.

0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:50.959
<v Speaker 2>The man eight slept and breathed music when he wasn't

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 2>being a generous level But also we treat him like

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:58.319
<v Speaker 2>we treat all dead classical geniuses, as like a bit

0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 2>of like an NPR listening fuddy. Right, and let me

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:03.440
<v Speaker 2>tell you, Elizabeth, that could not be further from the

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:06.440
<v Speaker 2>truth when it comes to Johann Sebastian Bach, namesake of

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:09.359
<v Speaker 2>the hair Metal Frontman now the Og. Bach was born

0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 2>in sixteen eighty five and he spent his prolific working

0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 2>years in what would come to be called Germany. But

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:17.400
<v Speaker 2>during his time there it was a patchwork of dukes

0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 2>and duchies and mad princes. There was no Germany yet,

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 2>and as a working musician he had to bounce around

0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 2>a bit dealing with these dukes and duchies and mad

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:27.600
<v Speaker 2>princes while he was looking for a steady gig in

0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:30.600
<v Speaker 2>the courts. And his job seeking was made more difficult

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 2>by the fact that j. S. Bach was something of

0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:35.080
<v Speaker 2>a bad boy, and he's dealing with all these what

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:37.839
<v Speaker 2>future Germans, right, they were like, we're not tense. So

0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:41.400
<v Speaker 2>he was not the white haired, sober minded Lutheran that

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:44.800
<v Speaker 2>most folks would imagine. The conductor John Elliott Gardner he

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:47.799
<v Speaker 2>wrote a biography of the composer, and he commented on

0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:51.000
<v Speaker 2>this character of Bach, the subversive as he called him,

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:53.319
<v Speaker 2>and he said that we need to reimagine the man

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:55.839
<v Speaker 2>because quote suppose in said, we start to view him

0:38:55.840 --> 0:38:59.919
<v Speaker 2>as an unlikely rebel. Oh yeah, exactly thought thought well

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:02.600
<v Speaker 2>in mind, which is certainly something you know. I would

0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:05.319
<v Speaker 2>say this about any teacher who fights his students, or

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 2>a proud young man who gets locked up for a

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:09.319
<v Speaker 2>month because he bristles at the power structure of his day.

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 2>That's JS block. Also apparently a thirsty fella. Back went

0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:16.279
<v Speaker 2>on a two week trip and he came back and

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:18.759
<v Speaker 2>he handed over receipts from his travel. He could get

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:22.319
<v Speaker 2>recompensed by the church for his travel expenses. So Back

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:24.920
<v Speaker 2>charged the church a ton for all the beer he

0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:28.600
<v Speaker 2>was drinking two week trip. Right. He drank eight gallons

0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 2>of beer during that two week trip in two weeks. No,

0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:32.799
<v Speaker 2>I did the conversion math for you, because I know

0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:35.280
<v Speaker 2>I love conversions. I do. There's one hundred and twenty

0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:38.279
<v Speaker 2>eight fluid ounces per gallon. He did eight of those,

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:41.080
<v Speaker 2>So he worked that out. Eight is two to the third,

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:42.520
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and twenty eight is two to the seventh

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:47.399
<v Speaker 2>at the exponent exponents, and then that's a oneenty twenty four. Right,

0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 2>So if you divided that, calculate he divide that by

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:52.160
<v Speaker 2>twelve ounces, which is the amount of fluid a beer

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:54.440
<v Speaker 2>in a can. That works out to be about eighty

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:56.880
<v Speaker 2>five and a third beers. Now, if you divide that

0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 2>by fourteen days, which means he's drinking every single day

0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:02.160
<v Speaker 2>the same eight Monday through Sunday, that's an average of

0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:05.160
<v Speaker 2>six beers a day every day of his fourteen day trip.

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:08.680
<v Speaker 2>So he's drunk on Sunday tips everything. So thank god

0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:11.120
<v Speaker 2>he also had beer added to one of his contracts

0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:14.400
<v Speaker 2>of employment. Those are the beers that he bought, yes, exactly,

0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:16.960
<v Speaker 2>he was the one that other people bought for him, exactly.

0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:19.600
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so Bach apparently made sure there was a

0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:22.440
<v Speaker 2>stipulation in his contract that so he had access to

0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:25.720
<v Speaker 2>tax free beer, and not just any beer. He demanded

0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:28.560
<v Speaker 2>the pilsners and loggers from the castle's brewery. He wanted

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:30.960
<v Speaker 2>the good stuff. What's the Prince dring? That's what I

0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:34.799
<v Speaker 2>want on ryding Heid School Bolton stuff. So he wasn't,

0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:37.160
<v Speaker 2>by the way, when he wasn't maintaining his buzz. Apparently

0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Bach was also remembered to meet young ladies for a

0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 2>rendezvous and the organ loft. I think they said that

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 2>his organ had no stops. Oh, can'd invite them up

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:50.640
<v Speaker 2>there to check the pipes. So exactly how did young

0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:55.719
<v Speaker 2>JS bock wind up behind bars? How did you fantastic question? Elizabeth? Well,

0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:58.040
<v Speaker 2>the year was seventeen o eight. I remember it was

0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:00.959
<v Speaker 2>I thought you did, right, JS bock Cock Shuer twenty

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:03.719
<v Speaker 2>three year old musical Theenom. He'd been hired as the

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:06.200
<v Speaker 2>court organist for the city of Wymar, as in the

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:08.280
<v Speaker 2>city that would later be known as the name provider

0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:12.360
<v Speaker 2>for the Wymar Republic or Wymar you prefer it that way? Yes, anyway,

0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:14.680
<v Speaker 2>the young bach is hired to play the organ right,

0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 2>and he's good. No one has any complaints about the

0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:22.560
<v Speaker 2>ser fingers on the lasts six years in the Vymar

0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:26.760
<v Speaker 2>court and he's eventually appointed as the Concertmeister. That's concert

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:29.920
<v Speaker 2>with a K and a Z in the middle of it.

0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:32.960
<v Speaker 3>What it means is the forgotten name of a Ski album.

0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:37.000
<v Speaker 2>So this means is he's the music director of the court.

0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:37.319
<v Speaker 5>Right.

0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:40.080
<v Speaker 2>So this also means he's now responsible for composing original

0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:43.479
<v Speaker 2>works for a talented ensemble of musicians. However, this also

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:46.080
<v Speaker 2>means he has to take orders from his not one,

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:50.040
<v Speaker 2>but two bosses, the kapell Meister and the vice copel Meister. Okay,

0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:51.640
<v Speaker 2>and I know what those roles are because I love

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 2>the movie Amadais. But the kapel Meister is the main

0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:57.160
<v Speaker 2>conductor of the orchestra or the ensemble musicians. So the

0:41:57.400 --> 0:41:59.040
<v Speaker 2>big boss, the guy whoused to stand there and waved

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 2>the baton. Yeah, this case, it was a father and

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:03.920
<v Speaker 2>son acte. Yeah, because of the seventeen hundreds and more

0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:06.600
<v Speaker 2>oft than that, men went into the family Businessmick. So

0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:09.239
<v Speaker 2>he's got his like, you know, he's got his fail

0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:12.440
<v Speaker 2>son as his vice Coppelmeister. And then the Kapellmeister dies

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:16.120
<v Speaker 2>and his failed son takes over and js back loses it.

0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:18.239
<v Speaker 2>He's like, because anybody who has ears to hear the

0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:20.920
<v Speaker 2>beauty of his music knows that the job should go

0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:24.319
<v Speaker 2>to js Buck. This is He's just like, it's insulting otherwise, right,

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:27.839
<v Speaker 2>and he certainly knew this. So to make matters worse,

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:31.360
<v Speaker 2>he thought the vice Copelmeister was just an abject failure

0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:33.320
<v Speaker 2>as a person and as a man. So he didn't

0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:36.439
<v Speaker 2>respect him to like him. And so what does he do, Well,

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:38.839
<v Speaker 2>the bad boy of the seventeen hundreds, he's got he's

0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:40.520
<v Speaker 2>got to step out, right, Yeah, he's got to get

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:43.160
<v Speaker 2>free of this. So he does he starts circulating his

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:46.400
<v Speaker 2>curriculum vita, his musical resume. He's like, would you like

0:42:46.440 --> 0:42:48.280
<v Speaker 2>to read this? Check this out, I've got this on parchment,

0:42:48.320 --> 0:42:50.640
<v Speaker 2>vellm whatever you like, And he's able to scoop up

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:52.240
<v Speaker 2>a new gig right at the end of the summer

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:55.319
<v Speaker 2>seventeen seventeen, he's named the Kapellmeister of the Court of

0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 2>Prince Leopold of the State of Cuttin. Right now, there

0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:02.239
<v Speaker 2>was one person who could stop him from taking his

0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:06.640
<v Speaker 2>new job. His old boss, a man named Wilhelm Ernst

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:10.320
<v Speaker 2>but Elizabeth, you would call him the Duke of Saxon Weimar,

0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:14.480
<v Speaker 2>and he was an intolerant Lutheran man. His brother was

0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:16.600
<v Speaker 2>the co Duke, but he was such a drunk. He

0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:19.640
<v Speaker 2>was only co Duke in name. Only everybody knew oh

0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:21.840
<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah. And when his brother passed he got a

0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:23.720
<v Speaker 2>new co Duke. It was like a whole power sharing.

0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:25.600
<v Speaker 2>The Germans didn't want anyone have too much power. It's

0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:27.320
<v Speaker 2>why they stayed apart in all their old duchies for

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 2>so long. Anyway, Wilhelm Ernst he holds power and as

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:34.640
<v Speaker 2>such he hears this young star concertmeister plans to leave

0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:38.040
<v Speaker 2>his court and find better employment. Elsewhere with Prince Leopold.

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Right after this slight of watching this idiot son take

0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:44.560
<v Speaker 2>a job that rightfully should go to him, so he decides, well,

0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:46.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to teach this young js Bock how things

0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:51.360
<v Speaker 2>go down and sacks Viymar so he rejects box resignation.

0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:55.360
<v Speaker 2>He teaches him a lesson in power politics and tells him, see, no, baby,

0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 2>you ain't going nowhere. He baby you and me, but

0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 2>he says like in German right, But my man, js Bock,

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:04.479
<v Speaker 2>he's stubborn, he's hard headed, he's young. So he kept

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:07.480
<v Speaker 2>at it. He kept trying to resign and the Duke

0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:10.319
<v Speaker 2>was like, I thought you had good is baby. You

0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:14.080
<v Speaker 2>ain't hearing me. You ain't going nowhere, but again like

0:44:14.120 --> 0:44:17.439
<v Speaker 2>in German right. So finally, in November, when he should

0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:20.560
<v Speaker 2>have been preparing his Christmas Mass program at his new gig,

0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:24.400
<v Speaker 2>js Bock is absolutely losing it like he was losing

0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:26.719
<v Speaker 2>it before. Now it's erupting from his skin. Right. I

0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:28.680
<v Speaker 2>wish I could tell you who he popped off at.

0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but we do know that he popped

0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:34.680
<v Speaker 2>off in the court of the Duchy and everyone was like,

0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:37.000
<v Speaker 2>oh no, because young hot headed Bock just was like

0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:41.399
<v Speaker 2>basically yelling fire me, fire me, fire me, which, by

0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:44.120
<v Speaker 2>the way, my friend Dave once did exactly this at

0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:48.080
<v Speaker 2>dream Works until Jeffrey Katzenberg was like, Okay, fine, I

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:51.719
<v Speaker 2>fire you, you can go. So this behavior still goes

0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:53.400
<v Speaker 2>on today, is what I'm saying. And Dave would be

0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:55.400
<v Speaker 2>amused that I just compared him to JS Box, So

0:44:55.800 --> 0:44:58.960
<v Speaker 2>rip Dave. Anyway, back to js Bock and Duke Wilhelm

0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Ernst and they're out of stubbornness so young back he

0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:03.879
<v Speaker 2>goes ham in the court a saxsify mar and Duke

0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:06.239
<v Speaker 2>will Hummers is like, you do know I have my

0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:09.360
<v Speaker 2>home prison, right baby? So js Bock gets to know

0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:12.279
<v Speaker 2>the Fortress prison firsthand, up close personal. He gets to

0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:14.600
<v Speaker 2>know the feel of the cold damp stones and guess

0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:17.359
<v Speaker 2>what my man does once he's locked up. He's like, cool, cool,

0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I still want to resign. Yeah, just keeps pushing it right,

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:21.880
<v Speaker 2>So he tries to wait out the Duke's anger, and

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:24.399
<v Speaker 2>it's like he hopes that he'll find some like new

0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:27.120
<v Speaker 2>something else to get him mad about and eventually let

0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 2>him go. That does not happen, So Back is like,

0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:31.160
<v Speaker 2>well kind of these gets some work done, americ, can

0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:32.919
<v Speaker 2>he bring me some pens and paper and something ink?

0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:35.080
<v Speaker 2>And the Duke is like, he's belligerent, but he's not

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:37.400
<v Speaker 2>like a capricious man, so he's like, give him some

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.120
<v Speaker 2>pens and paper. So at this point js Bock writes

0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:42.360
<v Speaker 2>a good piece of the well tempered Clavier.

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:43.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah right.

0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:45.880
<v Speaker 2>So more time passes, Jasbock is writing up his masterpiece.

0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 2>The Duke is flexing his power on him. After like

0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:50.800
<v Speaker 2>a week, the Duke is like, has the concertmister changed

0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:52.839
<v Speaker 2>his mind yet? And the jailers would go and ask

0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:55.120
<v Speaker 2>him in jsboc and'd be like, hell, no, I haven't

0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:57.359
<v Speaker 2>fired me. And then the dude, wut hear this? He'd

0:45:57.400 --> 0:46:00.879
<v Speaker 2>be like that little okay, well he can stay in there.

0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he get his mind right. And then more time passes,

0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:06.239
<v Speaker 2>the Duke would get curious and ask if the concertmeister

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:08.560
<v Speaker 2>had to change into thinking yet, and the jailers would

0:46:08.560 --> 0:46:10.359
<v Speaker 2>ask him and he would change his mind and he'd

0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:12.239
<v Speaker 2>be like, I need more pens and paper but no,

0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:14.239
<v Speaker 2>and oh, by the way, tell the Duke to fire me.

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:16.000
<v Speaker 2>So the Duke would hear this and be like ha,

0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:18.040
<v Speaker 2>and he'd like throw like a pork leg across the

0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:20.479
<v Speaker 2>room in anger or whatever. Right, Now, keep in mind

0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:24.600
<v Speaker 2>back is young, he's thirty two, and he's also super

0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:27.800
<v Speaker 2>about that bedlife. So he's got six kids, a wife

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:30.440
<v Speaker 2>at home, whoa, and he's locked up in a prison

0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:32.879
<v Speaker 2>fortress for a month and doesn't know when it's gonna end. Yes,

0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 2>still doesn't give in. I impressed it, but that anyway. Finally,

0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:38.360
<v Speaker 2>after a month of this, the Duke is like, is

0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 2>that catjs box still counting him on the living And

0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:44.480
<v Speaker 2>everyone's like, yeah, yeah, hey, yeah he is. And he's like, okay, cool,

0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:47.640
<v Speaker 2>we should let him out. I mean, I've changed my mind.

0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:50.560
<v Speaker 2>He's stubborn. I don't think we're gonna break him. He's

0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:53.319
<v Speaker 2>really ruin in the mood in my court. Let him go.

0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:56.360
<v Speaker 2>So they let him go, and I was like, all right, December.

0:46:56.400 --> 0:46:59.319
<v Speaker 2>After a month inside jailers turn him loose, right, and

0:46:59.360 --> 0:47:02.080
<v Speaker 2>he finally accepts of resignation. Now he can leave. So

0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:04.799
<v Speaker 2>js Bach has sprung for the pen. He swoops up

0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:07.080
<v Speaker 2>his brew to kids, his young wife, He splits town.

0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:10.239
<v Speaker 2>He heads to a new home in anhalt curtain right

0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:12.239
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned earlier, Yeah, now that's where he would go

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:14.120
<v Speaker 2>on to write a Brandenburg concertos and do all the

0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:17.719
<v Speaker 2>famous stuff. But I mentioned earlier how he, as a

0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:21.240
<v Speaker 2>young man, also fought his students as their teacher. Yeah,

0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:23.200
<v Speaker 2>when he was first starting out, before he was the

0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:26.680
<v Speaker 2>concertsmeister at the Weimar Court, Bach was a music teacher,

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:28.799
<v Speaker 2>just a normal music teacher. Trouble for him was he

0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:32.760
<v Speaker 2>was eighteen years old, dang, so his students were barely

0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:34.799
<v Speaker 2>younger than him. Some are actually older than him, and

0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:37.279
<v Speaker 2>they often were bigger than him, so he got very

0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:39.920
<v Speaker 2>used to them not treating him with the appropriate amount

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:43.480
<v Speaker 2>of respect that he at least expected. Consequently, Bach wasn't

0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:46.279
<v Speaker 2>a big fan of his students. So also he's his

0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:49.240
<v Speaker 2>hot headed musical phenom and he's stuck teaching know nothings

0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:51.680
<v Speaker 2>how to like not sound terrible on the harpsichord. Yeah,

0:47:51.680 --> 0:47:53.080
<v Speaker 2>so he just hates it right, And some of his

0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:55.400
<v Speaker 2>students were known hard cases, so much so that the

0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:59.600
<v Speaker 2>local city council referred to his students as scandalous. They

0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:01.799
<v Speaker 2>are in the like, oh, that's the scandalous students over

0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:03.839
<v Speaker 2>at such and such. Yeah, So for two years he's

0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:06.680
<v Speaker 2>teaching this hard scrabble lot of n'er dowells and they've

0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:09.279
<v Speaker 2>taken to making fun of him outside of class because

0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:10.960
<v Speaker 2>they don't like him. And the students have all these

0:48:11.000 --> 0:48:13.839
<v Speaker 2>taunting nicknames for their young teacher. They see them out,

0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:16.440
<v Speaker 2>they follow him, they harass him because it's like, what

0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:18.360
<v Speaker 2>are you gonna do outside of class? You can't do

0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:21.279
<v Speaker 2>anything outside of class? Right once again, but in German. Yeah,

0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:23.680
<v Speaker 2>so it gets so bad that young Bok starts carrying

0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:26.200
<v Speaker 2>a blade on him. It's only a matter of time

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:29.919
<v Speaker 2>until the inevitable occurred. The worst among the students, both

0:48:29.960 --> 0:48:32.279
<v Speaker 2>in behavior and in musical talent, was a cat named

0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:35.399
<v Speaker 2>geiers Bach. Yeah, and so there's three years older than Bach.

0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:37.319
<v Speaker 2>He's the main bully of the bunch. He was also

0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:40.080
<v Speaker 2>a bassoonist. Just thought I should throw that in there, bassonists.

0:48:40.160 --> 0:48:42.120
<v Speaker 2>One night, geiers Bach is out with the boys, and

0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:44.440
<v Speaker 2>who do they see but young Bach out for an

0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:48.000
<v Speaker 2>evening constitutional with his cousin Barbara Katharina. They're in the

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:50.640
<v Speaker 2>town's market square, so the center of town, and that's

0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:53.399
<v Speaker 2>where geiers Back the boys is laying about and they

0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:55.640
<v Speaker 2>spot their teacher Bock come into the town square, and

0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:57.160
<v Speaker 2>so what do they do? They go harass him in

0:48:57.200 --> 0:49:00.719
<v Speaker 2>the town square, only this time geyers Bach grabs like

0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:03.280
<v Speaker 2>a big stick, like a broken piece of tree branch,

0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:06.080
<v Speaker 2>and he storms over to Bach. And this cat, geyers

0:49:06.080 --> 0:49:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Bach is bigger than Bach, and I'm guessing he's also

0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:11.319
<v Speaker 2>like had a few. So Geyer's Bach gets in box

0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:14.319
<v Speaker 2>face and he spits all these angry hot words and

0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:16.600
<v Speaker 2>if they have like an ignorant tone. He's like, if

0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:19.360
<v Speaker 2>I have you been making abusive remarks about me? Teach

0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:21.920
<v Speaker 2>you right? And Bach can sense the trouble le bruin,

0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:24.560
<v Speaker 2>so he lies and he says, no, no, never, I

0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:27.279
<v Speaker 2>would never make abusive remarks about you. Whoever told you

0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:29.960
<v Speaker 2>that he's a liar? Right? And so Geyer's Bach is like, okay,

0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:33.000
<v Speaker 2>well maybe that's maybe true, but you've insulted my bassoon playing,

0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:36.719
<v Speaker 2>and anyone who insults my bassoon insults me. So Bach

0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:39.560
<v Speaker 2>is like, whoa chill guyers back, man, come on, But

0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:42.040
<v Speaker 2>he's not hearing it, and he's not hearing it so

0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:45.120
<v Speaker 2>much so that it explodes into this event. Well, rather

0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:47.160
<v Speaker 2>than me just tell you about Elizabeth, I'd like you

0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:56.040
<v Speaker 2>to close your eyes and I want you to picture it.

0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:58.480
<v Speaker 2>It's a pleasant summer evening in the walled town of

0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:01.919
<v Speaker 2>Arntstat in the Dutch of Thuringia in what will later

0:50:01.960 --> 0:50:04.920
<v Speaker 2>be eastern central Germany. At the moment, you are enjoying

0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:08.040
<v Speaker 2>the sweet summer evening breeze as children gamble about the

0:50:08.080 --> 0:50:11.959
<v Speaker 2>town square, running off their excess energy. As elders gather

0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:15.239
<v Speaker 2>in small clusters on the edge, watching the exuberance of

0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:18.480
<v Speaker 2>youth with their wizened smiles. You are in the middle,

0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:21.760
<v Speaker 2>neither child nor elder. You are an adult of working age,

0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:25.560
<v Speaker 2>specifically the town's best bookmaker. You are well regarded for

0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:29.000
<v Speaker 2>your artistry, and you make a living turning out beautiful

0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:32.680
<v Speaker 2>gilded editions of beloved classics and new books penned by

0:50:32.760 --> 0:50:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Thuringia's finest minds. You were on your walk home when

0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:38.319
<v Speaker 2>you decided to stop and buy a small bowl of

0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:42.520
<v Speaker 2>zweibelsupa and a slice of poppy seed strudel and sit

0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:45.400
<v Speaker 2>for a short spell to enjoy the transition into evening.

0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:48.600
<v Speaker 2>But the pleasant evening vibe is about to be shattered

0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:51.600
<v Speaker 2>by a local thug, a bassoon player named geyers Block.

0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:54.440
<v Speaker 2>You don't see how it began, but you hear it escalate.

0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:57.160
<v Speaker 2>You set down your cup of onion soup and your Strudel,

0:50:57.200 --> 0:50:59.919
<v Speaker 2>and you turn your attention to the developing scene. See

0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:02.680
<v Speaker 2>the much larger man, the local thug and bassoon player

0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Geyer's Back, is brandishing some sort of large stick and

0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:10.239
<v Speaker 2>threatening the young music teacher, Johann Sebastian Bach. You hear

0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:14.120
<v Speaker 2>geyers Back shout as his teacher, you dirty dog. Then

0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:16.919
<v Speaker 2>he swings the branch with the clear aim to knock

0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:20.279
<v Speaker 2>his teacher's head loose from his shoulders. But Bach is

0:51:20.320 --> 0:51:23.080
<v Speaker 2>no young ninny. He reaches into his overcoat and draws

0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:26.440
<v Speaker 2>out a knife. He lets the bully bassoonist see the

0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:30.360
<v Speaker 2>blade's cool, steely reflection as it catches a glint of moonlight.

0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Being ignorant as he is, Geyer's back charges in with

0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:37.280
<v Speaker 2>the broken tree branch. It takes a few more slings.

0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:40.680
<v Speaker 2>Young Bach lets that blade sing in the air. He

0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:44.480
<v Speaker 2>jabs and stabs as he dodges the angry bassoonist tree branch.

0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:48.640
<v Speaker 2>You gasp when you see Bach thrust with his dagger

0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:51.799
<v Speaker 2>at the midsection. Tryers back. The blade is lost in

0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:55.880
<v Speaker 2>his overcoat and does not draw back. Bloody. It misses

0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:58.480
<v Speaker 2>the bully bassoonist by a mere inch or two. Geyers

0:51:58.520 --> 0:52:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Back tosses down his bro can tree branch and he

0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:04.839
<v Speaker 2>tackles Bock around the mid section. The two young men

0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:08.200
<v Speaker 2>crash against the cobblestone in the market. They continue to

0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:11.120
<v Speaker 2>wrestle and to throw blows. At this point other men

0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:13.919
<v Speaker 2>and passers by rush into the scene to separate the two.

0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:18.200
<v Speaker 2>Before Bob kills the bully bassoonist Geyer's back, the crowd

0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:20.480
<v Speaker 2>pulls the two young men part. If you feel a

0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:23.520
<v Speaker 2>wave of relief, you watch as the hot head back

0:52:24.000 --> 0:52:28.200
<v Speaker 2>gets up, brushes himself off. His cousin Barbara Katherina helps

0:52:28.280 --> 0:52:31.280
<v Speaker 2>him dust off, and then they go on about their walk.

0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:34.200
<v Speaker 2>A few of his students, Geyers box crew have to

0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:37.280
<v Speaker 2>hold the bully bassoonists back long enough for the music

0:52:37.320 --> 0:52:40.440
<v Speaker 2>teacher and his cousin to leave the market square. You

0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:47.080
<v Speaker 2>sigh to yourself, just another night in downtown Arnstadt. Since

0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:49.480
<v Speaker 2>he loved arguing before a court or a prince or

0:52:49.520 --> 0:52:52.080
<v Speaker 2>a duke jays, Boch did not let this matter go

0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:55.320
<v Speaker 2>on that evening attack, so instead he had his cousin

0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Barbara Katherina come with him and be the star witness

0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:00.799
<v Speaker 2>as he brought the matter before the town council of Arnstadt,

0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:04.080
<v Speaker 2>and speaking on his own behalf was geyers Back, and

0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:06.600
<v Speaker 2>he spoke up for his actions that fateful evening. Now,

0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:09.719
<v Speaker 2>geiers Back said that his anger was understandable since, on

0:53:09.840 --> 0:53:12.640
<v Speaker 2>more than one occasion, in front of others in the

0:53:12.680 --> 0:53:16.839
<v Speaker 2>youth music ensemble, his teacher jab s Bach had called

0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:21.400
<v Speaker 2>him quote a nanny goat bassoonist. So the argument did

0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:23.440
<v Speaker 2>not sway the town council, but they also ruled that

0:53:23.480 --> 0:53:26.080
<v Speaker 2>no punishment was necessary. Kind of mixed bag of justice,

0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:28.960
<v Speaker 2>no harm, no fault decision, I suppose. Anyway, the town

0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:31.399
<v Speaker 2>council did instruct the music teacher to try to win

0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:33.880
<v Speaker 2>over his students so that way they didn't feel that

0:53:33.920 --> 0:53:37.040
<v Speaker 2>they have to assault him in the town square. Anyway.

0:53:37.040 --> 0:53:38.719
<v Speaker 2>Those are a few choice moments from the life of

0:53:38.800 --> 0:53:41.520
<v Speaker 2>rebel bad boy Johann Sebastian Bach, which just goes to

0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:45.000
<v Speaker 2>show you, Elizabeth, whether it's Sebastian Bach of skid Row

0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:48.440
<v Speaker 2>or Johann Sebastian Bach, sometimes you're gonna get tackled for

0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:50.880
<v Speaker 2>being a hothead, and that's just what happens when your

0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:55.319
<v Speaker 2>name Bach Sebastian Bach. Centuries may separate them, but their

0:53:55.400 --> 0:53:57.880
<v Speaker 2>names and their public's reaction to their musical genius is

0:53:57.920 --> 0:54:01.799
<v Speaker 2>the same. Some would tackle that guy anyway, and people

0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:04.080
<v Speaker 2>always watching out they have that same reaction. What the

0:54:04.080 --> 0:54:08.400
<v Speaker 2>buck is going on? So what's our ridiculous takeaway? Here? Elizabeth?

0:54:08.760 --> 0:54:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Always ask yourself, what would Keith Richards do? That's a

0:54:11.920 --> 0:54:14.680
<v Speaker 2>good rule. I'm gonna get you that a shirt. What's

0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:17.840
<v Speaker 2>your ridiculous takeaway? People have been the same forever. You

0:54:17.840 --> 0:54:19.960
<v Speaker 2>should remember that when we're looking backwards to time. Yeah,

0:54:19.960 --> 0:54:22.000
<v Speaker 2>you should remember that when we're looking at each other presently,

0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:24.719
<v Speaker 2>remember that when we're looking forward at the future, people

0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:26.480
<v Speaker 2>will always be the same. There's nothing new under the sun,

0:54:26.560 --> 0:54:29.479
<v Speaker 2>just new technology here and there, but back to back

0:54:29.800 --> 0:54:32.440
<v Speaker 2>people are mostly the same. You're in the mood for

0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:35.319
<v Speaker 2>a talk box, Producer, D, what you got for us?

0:54:39.320 --> 0:54:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I love.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, producer D. Elizabeth and Sarah. My name's Jennifer. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>calling from Miami, Florida, and I just heard your episode

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<v Speaker 6>about the mass characters and the crimes. They admitted the

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<v Speaker 6>reason why the University of Miami their mascot is the

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<v Speaker 6>ibis is because it is the last bird to leave

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<v Speaker 6>before hurricane and the first one to come back.

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<v Speaker 2>There.

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<v Speaker 6>You go have a great day.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's cool. That's do to know. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>That is really cool. I'd love to learn something a

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<v Speaker 3>strong skinny leg bird.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good symbol too, yes, resilience and yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. Well. Thank you for leaving that and

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<v Speaker 2>for thank you for sharing. Yeah, thank you. You can

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<v Speaker 2>in the past, so there you go. That's the correctly expressed. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>next crime. Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and

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