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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Liz Sarn. How you doing. I'm good. How are

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Speaker 2: you doing? I'm doing? Okay. I got a question for you. Yes,

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Speaker 2: do you like this hat? Yes? Thank you. I got

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Speaker 2: another question for you yes, did the shoes go with

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Speaker 2: the hat? No? Okay. Third question that it's ridiculous I do.

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Speaker 2: It's not a mashup because you finally broke it. You're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I got one, that it's the end.

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Speaker 3: So did you know that until nineteen ninety six the

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Speaker 3: British government considered bagpipes a weapon of war.

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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised. I didn't know that.

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Speaker 3: But it all goes back to Cullawdon right, oh wow, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: everything goes back.

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Speaker 2: With the Scots in the English.

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Speaker 3: Right, And so the Brits captured a Scottish piper and

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Speaker 3: you know, convicted him of treason and said that the

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Speaker 3: weapon he was carrying the pipes. And because you know,

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Speaker 3: the bagpipes are used to wrap I mean you can

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Speaker 3: hear for souper far.

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Speaker 2: Away, and they make good for both scaring and for

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Speaker 2: organized organizing your keys exactly.

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Speaker 3: And it's like when you're used to hearing the sound

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Speaker 3: if it's not super jarring to you. Then it is

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Speaker 3: like rousing and it's stirring, and.

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Speaker 2: It can be all that, you know, how you play it.

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Speaker 3: It's basically it's what you make of it. And so anyway,

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six, this dude was in Hampstead Heath in

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Speaker 3: London and he wouldn't stop playing the bagpipes.

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Speaker 2: That's a big public place too to be doing that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and all the neighbors were like, oh, stop because

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Speaker 3: some people.

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Speaker 2: Really hate pipes.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and so and I don't know what time

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Speaker 3: of day he was playing these things, so maybe it

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Speaker 3: was like early in the morning, but either way, so

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Speaker 3: he's playing these pipes and then he gets busted with

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Speaker 3: his fine for disturbing the peace. But then his lawyer

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Speaker 3: points out that that decision in seventeen forty six declaring it,

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Speaker 3: you know, a weapon of war was never overturned, so

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Speaker 3: he couldn't be charged with an eighteen nineties by law

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Speaker 3: of disturbing the piece with a musical instrument because it

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Speaker 3: was actually a weapon of war. And so then it's like, well,

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Speaker 3: the you know, the magistrates will wait a second, So then.

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Speaker 2: Are you carrying the weapon of war?

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Speaker 3: A dangerous weapon instead of so it goes back and forth,

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Speaker 3: back and forth, he winds up. They write a new

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Speaker 3: law that in times of war it's a weapon of war,

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Speaker 3: times of peace, it's a musical instrument. And he had

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Speaker 2: Do you at least get his name attached to the law.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. Ah, you got to get your

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Speaker 3: Come on, not when you've got a piper, dude.

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Speaker 2: And that is ridiculous. That is definitely ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: No, it is.

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Speaker 2: That's what I told you about. That's the ridiculous. Well,

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Speaker 2: imagine you're some badass rock star. You know, I don't

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Speaker 2: have to imagine. Okay, yeah, so keep that energy now.

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Speaker 2: I imagine that you're the kind of guy the girl

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Speaker 2: who snarls at pop razzi. And also you're the kind

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Speaker 2: of rock star like kicks their own fans oh right,

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Speaker 2: and like you're the kind whose own band hates him, right,

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Speaker 2: And then like you get arrested at a bar in

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Speaker 2: Canada and for being a douchebag, and everyone's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: everyone loves it. Okay, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: That is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: This is ridiculous crime. My podcast about absurd and outrageous capabis,

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Speaker 2: heists and cons. Daddy is always ninety motor free and ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous Elizabeth. Today, I want to talk to you about J. S. Bach,

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Speaker 2: the Canadian American rock star. Wait, got my notes mixed up?

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Speaker 2: I mean sp Bach as in Sebastian Philip Bach, Yes,

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Speaker 2: leads singer of the band skid Row. I loved that band.

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Speaker 2: Back to the idea, Oh my god, this is a

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Speaker 2: huge fan for real, did you really? I know you

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Speaker 2: love guns and roses. So this is like too far afield,

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Speaker 2: but it's way more of that.

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, there's a lot.

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Speaker 2: So I was gonna I had like looked up song

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Speaker 2: back then? I yes, I am. Oh wow. So then okay,

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Speaker 2: fun fact, do you know that Sebastian Bach is a

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Speaker 2: in that. Okay, so he was makes sense? Yeah, of

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Speaker 2: course he was born in Sebastian, but he was not

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Speaker 2: born a Bach. He was born a Berk. B I

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Speaker 2: Family soon moved to what would become his hometown of Peterborough, Ontario.

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Speaker 2: Remember that town name. It'll come up again later. What

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Speaker 2: don't think I know that he's a total jerk. Yes,

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Speaker 2: he has a total Did he do like reality tea? Lately?

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Speaker 2: He's been really acting on Broadway.

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Speaker 3: I saw a video not too long ago on Instagram

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Speaker 3: of him drunk singing in like a hotel that sounds right,

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Speaker 2: Well, that sounds about right. Yeah. So the band skied

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Speaker 2: Row your favorite. Their first album, upon eponymously titled skid Row,

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Speaker 2: was came out in nineteen eighty nine. Uh huh and uh.

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Speaker 2: They followed that up with Slave to the Grind, came

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Speaker 2: out in nineteen ninety one, sophomore album. Both of those

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Speaker 2: go over some song titles eighteen in life. That was

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Speaker 2: like the Yeah, that was I loved it. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: power ballad. Hey, there you go. Yeah. They were both

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Speaker 2: like Billboard Hot one hundreds, Oh yeah, the heavy MTV rotation, yes, yes, okay,

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Speaker 2: kind of youth gone wild. Oh yeah yeah. The other

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Speaker 2: title hit Slave to the Grind, Yeah, that was the title,

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Speaker 2: and then like A Wasted Time that's another power ballot.

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Speaker 2: I figured i'd bring up I wanted to range experience.

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Speaker 2: So their third album, sub Human Race, that came out

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Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety five. I don't know anything about that.

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Speaker 2: Critics liked it, some loved it. Fans were like, nah,

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Speaker 2: and everyone's like, oh, skid Row is still making music.

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Speaker 2: That's wild. I had no interest, but that's interesting. So

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Speaker 2: at this point there's still alive. Yeah exactly. That marked

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Speaker 2: the beginning of them playing like state and county fairs.

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Speaker 2: Later on they would be doing reunion tours, but it

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Speaker 2: was all like that was their future, right, Let's don't

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Speaker 2: I understand, John bon Jovi is to blame for skid row.

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Speaker 2: I mean I did, I can't, but like it is

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Speaker 2: I guess they could see that they were on the

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Speaker 2: then at this point steps in bad Boy of New Jersey,

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Speaker 2: John bon Jovi, John bon Giovy. Yes. Well, first it

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Speaker 2: was his parents, John bon Jovi's dad, John Bonjovy, a senior,

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Speaker 2: a barber, and former marine, and his lovely wife Carol

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Speaker 2: also a former playboy Bunny Wait. John bon Jovi's mom

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Speaker 2: was a playboy bunny Yes, Anna Marine and later a florist.

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Speaker 2: This is fantastic, assuming Carol had stories. Carol, Yeah, yeah. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: So he's there and he's got a young Sebastian Box

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Speaker 2: and they were like, you know, our sons in the

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Speaker 2: music business, and you should call him. In fact, you

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Speaker 2: should call his friend Dave Sabo. He needs a singer

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Speaker 2: for his band. Have you ever been to New Jersey? So, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: you don't know this. Dave Sabo was the original guitarist

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Speaker 2: He was later replaced by Richie Sambora, who everybody knows. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's a cowboy on a steel horse. He right, exactly.

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Speaker 2: So Dave Sabo was John bon Jovi's childhood friend. They

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Speaker 2: He rings Dave Sabo and the band is like, yeah, man,

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Speaker 2: And Sebastian Bok's like, okay, I'll be there amen. So

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Speaker 2: So they're like, you nailed it, kid. Nineteen eighty seven,

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Speaker 2: Now they're breack headed for success. Yeah right, soon enough,

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Speaker 2: does indeed blow up. In nineteen eighty nine, band drops

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Speaker 2: their debut album, The skid Row Huge Hit, YadA, YadA, YadA.

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Speaker 2: A little while back, Sebastian Bach he had dropped a memoir.

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Speaker 2: He looked back at those heady days of the rock

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Speaker 2: because they got into a feud once he was a star.

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Speaker 2: So Jo not know that. I didn't either. John bon

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Speaker 2: Jovi was critical to skid row success everything, and I

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Speaker 2: their debut album. John bon Jovi goes, I'm gonna help

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Speaker 2: them out, so let's take them out on the road.

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Speaker 2: They can open for bon Jovi. That'll be a huge boost. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So they're doing their nineteen eighty eight, nineteen eighty nine

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Speaker 2: going well, perhaps too well. The band's album comes out,

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Speaker 2: fans coming out to see John bon jovire and suddenly

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Speaker 2: folks coming out to see skid Row the opener. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so that because a little tension between the bands, you know,

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Speaker 2: and then also apparently the merch numbers shift and John

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Speaker 2: bon Jovi's band, it's as much Merchant skid Row. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, but I find it all kind of hard

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Speaker 4: Exactly you and rat you know, so one night, sure

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Speaker 2: This disco producer was named Miko, and he was working

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Speaker 3: You owned the like for years, late seventies, eighties, mid eighties.

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Speaker 2: So in nineteen ninety six, Sebastian Bach was fired from

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Speaker 2: What's theme for his age? And like a megaband that

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Speaker 2: But what did happen is Elizabeth, let me take you back.

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Speaker 2: It was nineteen ninety six. Grunge was big hair metals

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Speaker 2: planned with their side project, a punk band he'd started

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Speaker 2: with skid Row's Roadies, So that was why Sebastian Bach

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Speaker 2: So he reached out to John bon Jovi's childhood friend,

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Speaker 2: had some thoughts about this, like, oh, he's playing with

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Speaker 2: He didn't pick up, so I just went you and

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Speaker 2: I just let him know what I thought of him

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Speaker 2: you remember those, right. I for some answering machines, while

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Speaker 2: So anyone standing there in the room with that phone

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Speaker 2: can hear the message as it's being left and recorded.

426
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 2: This is it used to be great for scenes in

427
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 2: dumb comedies. Well keep that energy in mind, dumb comedy,

428
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 2: because turns out Dave Sabo saw who was calling. He's like,

429
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 2: I'm not answering that, but he did, so he didn't

430
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,159
Speaker 2: pick up the call, but he did stand there and

431
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 2: listen to the message on speakerphone. So as Sebastian Bach

432
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 2: is leaving it and Dave Sabo though wasn't alone because

433
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 2: the way Sebastian Bach tells the story to Tears Steve

434
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,400
Speaker 2: oh And quote, he goes, my whole family heard that

435
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 2: message that came out of the speaker and my whole

436
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 2: family was there. So that was it. That was what

437
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 2: was the old cliche. Back to Sebastian Bach, that was

438
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 2: the last straw. If you asked the bass player in them,

439
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 2: they will say that there was a lot of leading

440
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 2: up to that, but that was the very last straw.

441
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 2: So I guess, yeah, why he got fired from the

442
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 2: band because he left a message and irritated his bandmate,

443
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 2: John bon Jovi's best friend, screaming at him and being

444
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 2: way too family for a family from New Jersey. But

445
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 2: you know how hard it is to see their standards,

446
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 2: like they've heard some stuff.

447
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 3: It's I've known bands that have broken up and they're

448
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 3: looking for an excuse if one person is the catalyst

449
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, oh it was that.

450
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 2: There was like wait, what a lot more? But I

451
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 2: think you're on. But if we dig his word for it,

452
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 2: he wasn't fired from Sandro because he said yes to kiss,

453
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 2: but he was booted for the band because he was

454
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,360
Speaker 2: a pompous, spoiled rock star essentially right, no one wanted

455
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: to be around him because they're sick of having to

456
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 2: hold the bag of his bad behavior. So any that

457
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: brings us to the story I wanted to tell you today. Yes,

458
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 2: what was the name of that Canadian town I told

459
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: you remember up top? Peter something real close? It is Peterborough. Peterborough,

460
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 2: all right, it's easy to remember. Just think spider Man, right,

461
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 2: is Peter Parker. Peter Parker is from the Borough of Queens.

462
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 2: Peter Peterborough. Boom spider Man equals Peterborough has memory trick, Elizabeth.

463
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 2: You'd keep that one for free. It's on the house. Seriously,

464
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,959
Speaker 2: come to my seminar this weekend. I'm at the Ramata

465
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: n out by the airport. Anyway, the scene of this

466
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 2: crime was Riley's Old Town Pub in Sebastian Box, hometown

467
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: of where Peter Peterborough. That's old by the way with

468
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: no e at the end. But the town has an

469
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: athi end like they couldn't make up their mind which

470
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Speaker 2: way they wanted to go the old Towny's Old Town Pub,

471
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 2: old Town Pub on the end of old but at

472
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Speaker 2: the end of town. So what about at the end

473
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 2: of pub. No, so they decided they split the difference

474
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: on their old time events, like we can only afford

475
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Speaker 2: one e. Yeah, so it's November IDEs of November, in fact,

476
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: November fifteenth. Yeah. So one thing I thought was funny.

477
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 2: Every single news story that covered this incident made sure

478
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 2: to include the phrase Sebastian Buck whose real name is

479
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 2: Sebastian Berk to bust him out or maybe there's a

480
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 2: lot of people to know. I read the arrest report.

481
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: I don't know what.

482
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 3: It's just like, if you're not familiar with him, they're like, wait,

483
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: this man's name is They're.

484
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: Like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's not it's

485
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 2: not that cool. Don't put on airs. It's beer. It's

486
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 2: actually really lame. So what's the stories? Eric, great question, Elizabeth,

487
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you. At the time, Sebastian back,

488
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 2: forty two year old former rock star turned Broadway actor

489
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: and part time reality TV person acting with a side

490
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 2: of reunion tour hopeful now reality TV h one, I'm

491
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: not going to yeah, exactly. The brother in the house, yay.

492
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 2: So in his hometown of where Elizabeth, Peterborough. There you go.

493
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 2: That's right, spider Man Canada. In an exclusive interview the

494
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 2: music and culture outlet Blabbermouth, Sebastian Bach recalled that and

495
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: I quote, I went to Peterborough to deal with my

496
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 2: dad's estate and pack up his art and put it

497
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 2: in the truck and drive it in New Jersey. It

498
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 2: was pure misery. So that was a rough day. One

499
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: of my friends wanted to sing a song to me,

500
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 2: a song at the microphone, and the owner wouldn't letter.

501
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 2: So right off, we've got an emotionally stressed rockstea with

502
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 2: aging family care issues. Right, that's always difficult, be super stressful. Yeah,

503
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: he said, rough day, we've all.

504
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 3: You know, when a friend says I want to sing

505
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 3: a song to you in.

506
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: A bar to make you feel better, that's rough. That

507
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 2: puts me through the ringer. So he and his friends,

508
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 2: that is traumatic.

509
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 3: You friend is like, I want to sing a song

510
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 3: to you.

511
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: In public, probably a bar in your hometown. You tell

512
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: me all about it later. So they decided that, you know,

513
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 2: maybe some impromptu karaoke will cheer up Sea Bass, right,

514
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: but the man won't let them sing. So what's a

515
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: rock and roll rebel like Sea Bass supposed to do well?

516
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 2: From some media reports, I read Sebastian Bach had a

517
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 2: essentially going up to the stage where there was a

518
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: house musician playing. I imagine a guy with a guitar. Yeah,

519
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: he asked, yeah, maybe, But he asked if his friend

520
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: Ken Sagan for the bar patrons, do you know what

521
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: song it was? No, I don't know what song they

522
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 2: want to I know I didn't. I looked up as

523
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: much as I could for this one. So the house

524
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 2: musician was like, yeah, cool, cool, Yeah, man, sure, you

525
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 2: just need to ask the owner if it's cool. And

526
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: I mean his name's Jim. He's right over there. You'd

527
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: ask him, he'll let you. No, Sebastian Bach didn't want

528
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: to go through all that hassle, right, so he said

529
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 2: he went back to his seat with his friends and

530
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 2: I guess they've been drinking a little bit already. Yeah maybe,

531
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 2: you know, they say they were going around the world

532
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: like annoying teenagers at this point. Either way, they decided

533
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 2: they'll get the bar owner to come over to them.

534
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 2: So they start pelting the house musician with ice cubes

535
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: from where they're seated, right, But this isn't a big place.

536
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: This isn't like a raucous dive bar. Just imagine a

537
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 2: small Canadian old town pub. Now the bar owner, he

538
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: does come over to their table, and he asked Sebastian

539
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: back to chill the f out, stop throwing ice cubes

540
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 2: at the house musician and heckling him, because they also

541
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: started heckling the kid who's just up there, like on

542
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: a stool with a guitar. At that point, Sebastian Bach

543
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: starts throwing ice cubes at the bar owner's face, who's

544
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: just right there in front of him. Like, I'm not

545
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 2: a rock star, Elizabeth. I've never been a rock star,

546
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: but I have to assume if I were a rock star,

547
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: I would know that throwing ice cubes at the some

548
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: house musician is not the way to get what I want. No, specifically,

549
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: I want to share the stage, kids working through the

550
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 2: Indigo girls cat out. Dude, I don't think ice cubes

551
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: are going to sway a Canadian bar owner anyway. The

552
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: bar owner's like, okay, time for you to go. So

553
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 2: at this point, real rockstar energy comes into play. Sebastian

554
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: Bach apparently decided to be the one who was offended,

555
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: so he's like, how dare you I am a former

556
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 2: lead singer of an eighties hair metal ban skin Row,

557
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 2: how dare you ask me to leave this premises? And

558
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: the bar owners like, you threw ice at my classical

559
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: guitar player. Get out? Yeah, so I don't know it

560
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 2: was a class guitar player. I just that's even better.

561
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: It's a classical guitar player.

562
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 3: And he's just like doing all these like and then

563
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 3: he's like, my friend.

564
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 2: Was to power ballad, you know eighteen in life. Now,

565
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: what I haven't told you up until now so they

566
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: wanted to save it is that this is all going

567
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: down in a wine bar. Wait, the Old Cube is

568
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: a wine bar?

569
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my god, do they do like a sip

570
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 3: and paint thing.

571
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: It gets better when Sebastian Bak takes issue with the owner.

572
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 2: He stands up with his wine glass and attempts to

573
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: swan out of the place, feeling all hurt and wounded.

574
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: So the bar owners like, you can't leave with that

575
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: glass of wine. Yeah, He's like he's doing his best

576
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: impression of Rihanna leaving with a glass of wine. But

577
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: he's like, when re Rey does it, it's like ultra cool.

578
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: When Sebastian Bak does it, just like me getting kicked

579
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: out of a bar in like a shopping mall in Florida,

580
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: it's just not nearly as cool. So it's like real

581
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: bad mammagama behavior.

582
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: Right.

583
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: So, on his way to being escorted out the door,

584
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: Sebastian Bach asked himself what would a real rockstar do

585
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: in this moment of petulance, and then he did his

586
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: best impression of that. So he decides he will take

587
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: his unfinished glass of wine and throw it down at

588
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: the floor, like I'm leaving anyway. I don't need this.

589
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: So in an interview with the outlet Checks TV, which

590
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: I have to assumes a Canadian TV station and not

591
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: a media outlet for the fine makers of Checks partys

592
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: and cereals. But actually I did Checks. I thought you

593
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: may ask checks TV is a local TV station coming

594
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: out of Peterborough, Ontario in the north.

595
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, is it there like public Access? No, it's like

596
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 4: a local channel just like Czechoslovakian. I think they do

597
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 4: C for Canada. And then everything's just like three letters.

598
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 4: I don't know anywhere TV. The bar owner said, he

599
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 4: raised his hand and threw the wineglass with the wine

600
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 4: in it as hard as he could on the floor,

601
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 4: shattering it. So at that point the bar owner was

602
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 4: like grab him and then decided, if you want to

603
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 4: have a job done right, you have to do it yourself.

604
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: Was it a buttery shard or a rob Imagine it's

605
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: a red, a robust red. Yeah, so maybe like a

606
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: like a uh maybe at Murlow. He seems like that

607
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: kind of guy to drink. I just like it.

608
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: Maybe it's like a Pinot Grigio, like a light summer.

609
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: One he likes to So at this point, the bar

610
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: owner goes and tackles Sebastian Bach before he gets out

611
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: the door so he can hold him for the police.

612
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: And as Sebastian Bach tells the story to Blabbermouth, I

613
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: ended up tackled up from behind. So the only thing

614
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: I could do, of course, was bite the dude. Oh

615
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: of course. So drunk and asked to leave. Clearly embarrassed,

616
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: he decides to raise the steaks to assault in some

617
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: light cannibal cosplay Rashshha. There's a video of the incident

618
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: that corroborates that that's pretty much exactly what happens. Or

619
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: you could take the word of Judd Smoke, who is

620
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: a friend of Sebastian Box Stop Judge, Stop suppress jud Smoke,

621
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: jud Smoke? Is he actually Jud's smirk? It's Judd's smoke.

622
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: I mean it could be like Smoke a Witz. I

623
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: don't know. He may be a longer name. I have

624
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: no idea. But he was there that night, and he

625
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: will tell you if you ask him, or if you

626
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: don't ask him, as he told me the outlets at

627
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: the time, everybody is painting bass in a bad light.

628
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: But he didn't do no attacking to no bar on

629
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: her as per se like I've seen on TV and

630
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: the internet. It was more than the other way around.

631
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 3: I was there, Okay, so we need to go back

632
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 3: and test some grammar and mechanics. But also, was jud

633
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 3: Smoked the guy who was like, I want to sing

634
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 3: to my friend.

635
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: I love it. I think it was. I think it

636
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: was a girl who was with him. Let's say it was.

637
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: Let's say it was.

638
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 6: So.

639
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: At this point, Sebastian Bach picks back up the story

640
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: and he says, you know, okay, I threw a glass

641
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: of wine on the ground because he kicked me out

642
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: of the bar. In my home town, you can go

643
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: to friendlies with your grandma and she could drop a

644
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: glass of water on the ground. Nobody tackles her. You

645
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: broke a glass? What the So that was his take

646
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: on the events.

647
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: I think if you want to paint yourself as a

648
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: bad boy of rock and roll, you have to look

649
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 3: at like the pinnacle the version, and that's Keith Richards.

650
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like would Keith Richards do this and do

651
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: it this way? Keith would not do that. You can

652
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: even take a couple of steps down to Axel Rose

653
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: and be like, what, Axel.

654
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: Do you know? He would be like, you're acting like

655
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 3: trash Keith Richards Like.

656
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no, she wouldn't even deign to talk to you.

657
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 3: Exactly. They're not going to pull all this. This is

658
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: I'm right now. I am really up to my eyeballs

659
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: in like not being able to tolerate trash behavior. Oh yeah,

660
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: like fighting in public or mouthing off about don't act

661
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: like trash.

662
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: Acting like you're in a reality TV. Yeah, but there's

663
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: no cameras. Yes, stop, Vladimir stop. So what was the

664
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: result of all this bad behavior and the old Town

665
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: pub and where Elizabeth Petersborough. So I got two words

666
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: for you, rabies test stop. What is happening? Sebast Jim

667
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: Bach told Blabbermouth I had to go and take a

668
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: rabies test to make sure I didn't have communicable diseases.

669
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: So we've talked about rabies because he bit the guy

670
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: so they had to go get a rais. He's a

671
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: dog that has to be tested for rabies. And you

672
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: and I have talked about rabies personally, like and I

673
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: just got to say that sounds like one of the

674
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: worst things I've ever heard about. And going up from rabies, I.

675
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 3: Ruined your day slash months, life month, dude.

676
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: The symptoms sounds like an old testament.

677
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: There's someone left a comment somewhere on Reddit and if.

678
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: You like search it like rabies like what happened.

679
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 5: I don't know.

680
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: I can't remember the search function I use.

681
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: But it is like a detailed, moment by moment description

682
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: of what happens from the moment you're bitten.

683
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: They don't know it.

684
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 4: Yes, I read it a painful death and I'm horrified.

685
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 3: I read it out loud to you and then I

686
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 3: forwarded it to other people.

687
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: The whole fear of water is that is them. It

688
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: makes you irrationally afraid of water, so much so that

689
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: the rabies wants you to go out and die, so

690
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: that way scavengers will come along and eat your body

691
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: and then the rabies get spread. But it's it's a

692
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: genius alien virus. I hate it. Each each level of

693
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: it is just horrendous. It's one of the worst things

694
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: I've ever read.

695
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'll figure out a way that we

696
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 3: can put the links.

697
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's terrible. Yeah. So anyway, the owner

698
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: of the bar demands a Sebastian Bach get a rabies

699
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: test because he doesn't want this either, right, and you

700
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 2: know what, I don't blame him. So after he went

701
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: to the doctor, gods, he's walking around rabbit. Well, I mean,

702
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 2: one in a million is high enough for me. I

703
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: think you're more likely to get some sort of STV.

704
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, much more likely, but you can get both, Elizabeth. So,

705
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: after he went to the doctor for his mandatory court

706
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 2: ordered rabies test, the Canadian American hair metal rocker proudly

707
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: proclaimed to the world, happy to say, I'm rabies free.

708
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: I'm not rabbit. So there you go. Sebastian Bach legally

709
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: declared not rabbit.

710
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: I am so sorry for Canada and if you're one,

711
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: they're nice people.

712
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: They don't deserve most of the rock stars that come

713
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: out of Canada, but Canada is like I don't just

714
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: come on. They're from Wisconsin, Neil Young, Nickelback, Chad Kroeger.

715
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 2: They're from Canada. Oh yeah. So if you were wondering

716
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: about him catching charges, the Courts Center Ontario decided to

717
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: drop the charges for the bite and the general ice

718
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: cube battery. Yes for justice. Sebastian Bach did donate seven

719
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: hundred dollars to charity as recompense for the broken wineglass.

720
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 2: What was the charity? I did not ask the Sebastian

721
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: box exactly. So there you go. That's your Sebastian Boch

722
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: fun for today. But you have one more story for

723
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: you about a Sebastian Bock as in the OG, Johann

724
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: Sebastian Boch, the guy. That guy also spent time inside

725
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: locked up and guests. There's just something about them back boys, Elizabeth.

726
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: So let's take a break after these messages. I'll tell

727
00:35:44,040 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: you about the OG bad Boy Sebastian Box, Elizabeth, We're back, hi,

728
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: and have I got a hell of a finisher for you?

729
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: I bet you do.

730
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: So.

731
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: I was doing some research, right and I had to

732
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 2: go hit up Wikipedia to find out Sebastian Bach's parents' names.

733
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: And at the top of his Wikipedia page is this

734
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: disambiguation note. You know, one of those sentences has this

735
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: article is about X for articles on why I see

736
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: this other person or whatever? Right well, on Sebastian Box

737
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: Wikipedia page is a disambiguation note, and he reads this

738
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: article is about the heavy metal singer for the baroque

739
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: composer see Johann Sebastian Bach, and I just want to

740
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: sit on the shoulder someone who's looking for info on

741
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: Johann Sebastian Bach and mistakenly reads Sebastian Box Wikipedia and

742
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: gets the two musicians confused. You're always telling people fun

743
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: facts about this genius, Sebastian Box. You know what's gonna happen.

744
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 2: You know what?

745
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 4: He did a counterpoint chat gpt ais you have an

746
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 4: emergence scan that and then some ding dong fourth graders

747
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 4: he asked to write a report.

748
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 3: On Johann Sebastian Box talking about to and he's gonna

749
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 3: go off on a wine bar brawl at the rabies

750
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 3: determination of the fourth grade teachers to be like, this

751
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 3: is why I'm.

752
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: Quitting at the end of the year. I could just

753
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: see it. The whole movie is playing out in my

754
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: head right now. So this this is what I want

755
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: to tell you about the O. G. Bach, JS Bach,

756
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 2: Johann Sebastian, the real deal. Yeah. So primarily people in

757
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: the note say that Bach was a prolific composer, a

758
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: man who heard God in the notes of a clavichord.

759
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: His most famous works are the Takata and Fugue and

760
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: Reiner I mentioned that the brandon Burg Concertos, the Goldberg Variations,

761
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: the well tempered Clavier. The man was known to bust

762
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: out a corral at the drop of the hat. Right,

763
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: I mean, generous lover. He came from a family of musicians.

764
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: Keep that thought in mind. Oh God, he's chief among them.

765
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 2: The man eight slept and breathed music when he wasn't

766
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: being a generous level But also we treat him like

767
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: we treat all dead classical geniuses, as like a bit

768
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: of like an NPR listening fuddy. Right, and let me

769
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 2: tell you, Elizabeth, that could not be further from the

770
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: truth when it comes to Johann Sebastian Bach, namesake of

771
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 2: the hair Metal Frontman now the Og. Bach was born

772
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: in sixteen eighty five and he spent his prolific working

773
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: years in what would come to be called Germany. But

774
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: during his time there it was a patchwork of dukes

775
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: and duchies and mad princes. There was no Germany yet,

776
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: and as a working musician he had to bounce around

777
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: a bit dealing with these dukes and duchies and mad

778
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: princes while he was looking for a steady gig in

779
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: the courts. And his job seeking was made more difficult

780
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: by the fact that j. S. Bach was something of

781
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: a bad boy, and he's dealing with all these what

782
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 2: future Germans, right, they were like, we're not tense. So

783
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: he was not the white haired, sober minded Lutheran that

784
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 2: most folks would imagine. The conductor John Elliott Gardner he

785
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 2: wrote a biography of the composer, and he commented on

786
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: this character of Bach, the subversive as he called him,

787
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 2: and he said that we need to reimagine the man

788
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 2: because quote suppose in said, we start to view him

789
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 2: as an unlikely rebel. Oh yeah, exactly thought thought well

790
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: in mind, which is certainly something you know. I would

791
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 2: say this about any teacher who fights his students, or

792
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: a proud young man who gets locked up for a

793
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 2: month because he bristles at the power structure of his day.

794
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: That's JS block. Also apparently a thirsty fella. Back went

795
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 2: on a two week trip and he came back and

796
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: he handed over receipts from his travel. He could get

797
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: recompensed by the church for his travel expenses. So Back

798
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: charged the church a ton for all the beer he

799
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: was drinking two week trip. Right. He drank eight gallons

800
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: of beer during that two week trip in two weeks. No,

801
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 2: I did the conversion math for you, because I know

802
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 2: I love conversions. I do. There's one hundred and twenty

803
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: eight fluid ounces per gallon. He did eight of those,

804
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: So he worked that out. Eight is two to the third,

805
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty eight is two to the seventh

806
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 2: at the exponent exponents, and then that's a oneenty twenty four. Right,

807
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: So if you divided that, calculate he divide that by

808
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: twelve ounces, which is the amount of fluid a beer

809
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: in a can. That works out to be about eighty

810
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: five and a third beers. Now, if you divide that

811
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: by fourteen days, which means he's drinking every single day

812
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: the same eight Monday through Sunday, that's an average of

813
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: six beers a day every day of his fourteen day trip.

814
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: So he's drunk on Sunday tips everything. So thank god

815
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: he also had beer added to one of his contracts

816
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: of employment. Those are the beers that he bought, yes, exactly,

817
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: he was the one that other people bought for him, exactly.

818
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, so Bach apparently made sure there was a

819
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: stipulation in his contract that so he had access to

820
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 2: tax free beer, and not just any beer. He demanded

821
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: the pilsners and loggers from the castle's brewery. He wanted

822
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: the good stuff. What's the Prince dring? That's what I

823
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 2: want on ryding Heid School Bolton stuff. So he wasn't,

824
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: by the way, when he wasn't maintaining his buzz. Apparently

825
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: Bach was also remembered to meet young ladies for a

826
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: rendezvous and the organ loft. I think they said that

827
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: his organ had no stops. Oh, can'd invite them up

828
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: there to check the pipes. So exactly how did young

829
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: JS bock wind up behind bars? How did you fantastic question? Elizabeth? Well,

830
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: the year was seventeen o eight. I remember it was

831
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,959
Speaker 2: I thought you did, right, JS bock Cock Shuer twenty

832
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: three year old musical Theenom. He'd been hired as the

833
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: court organist for the city of Wymar, as in the

834
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: city that would later be known as the name provider

835
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: for the Wymar Republic or Wymar you prefer it that way? Yes, anyway,

836
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: the young bach is hired to play the organ right,

837
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: and he's good. No one has any complaints about the

838
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: ser fingers on the lasts six years in the Vymar

839
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 2: court and he's eventually appointed as the Concertmeister. That's concert

840
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: with a K and a Z in the middle of it.

841
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: What it means is the forgotten name of a Ski album.

842
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: So this means is he's the music director of the court.

843
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 5: Right.

844
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: So this also means he's now responsible for composing original

845
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 2: works for a talented ensemble of musicians. However, this also

846
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: means he has to take orders from his not one,

847
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: but two bosses, the kapell Meister and the vice copel Meister. Okay,

848
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: and I know what those roles are because I love

849
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: the movie Amadais. But the kapel Meister is the main

850
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: conductor of the orchestra or the ensemble musicians. So the

851
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: big boss, the guy whoused to stand there and waved

852
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: the baton. Yeah, this case, it was a father and

853
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: son acte. Yeah, because of the seventeen hundreds and more

854
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: oft than that, men went into the family Businessmick. So

855
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: he's got his like, you know, he's got his fail

856
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: son as his vice Coppelmeister. And then the Kapellmeister dies

857
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: and his failed son takes over and js back loses it.

858
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: He's like, because anybody who has ears to hear the

859
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: beauty of his music knows that the job should go

860
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: to js Buck. This is He's just like, it's insulting otherwise, right,

861
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 2: and he certainly knew this. So to make matters worse,

862
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: he thought the vice Copelmeister was just an abject failure

863
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 2: as a person and as a man. So he didn't

864
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 2: respect him to like him. And so what does he do, Well,

865
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 2: the bad boy of the seventeen hundreds, he's got he's

866
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: got to step out, right, Yeah, he's got to get

867
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: free of this. So he does he starts circulating his

868
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 2: curriculum vita, his musical resume. He's like, would you like

869
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 2: to read this? Check this out, I've got this on parchment,

870
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: vellm whatever you like, And he's able to scoop up

871
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 2: a new gig right at the end of the summer

872
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 2: seventeen seventeen, he's named the Kapellmeister of the Court of

873
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: Prince Leopold of the State of Cuttin. Right now, there

874
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: was one person who could stop him from taking his

875
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: new job. His old boss, a man named Wilhelm Ernst

876
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 2: but Elizabeth, you would call him the Duke of Saxon Weimar,

877
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: and he was an intolerant Lutheran man. His brother was

878
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: the co Duke, but he was such a drunk. He

879
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: was only co Duke in name. Only everybody knew oh

880
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: yeah yeah. And when his brother passed he got a

881
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 2: new co Duke. It was like a whole power sharing.

882
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: The Germans didn't want anyone have too much power. It's

883
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 2: why they stayed apart in all their old duchies for

884
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: so long. Anyway, Wilhelm Ernst he holds power and as

885
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: such he hears this young star concertmeister plans to leave

886
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: his court and find better employment. Elsewhere with Prince Leopold.

887
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: Right after this slight of watching this idiot son take

888
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: a job that rightfully should go to him, so he decides, well,

889
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to teach this young js Bock how things

890
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: go down and sacks Viymar so he rejects box resignation.

891
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 2: He teaches him a lesson in power politics and tells him, see, no, baby,

892
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: you ain't going nowhere. He baby you and me, but

893
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: he says like in German right, But my man, js Bock,

894
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,479
Speaker 2: he's stubborn, he's hard headed, he's young. So he kept

895
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: at it. He kept trying to resign and the Duke

896
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 2: was like, I thought you had good is baby. You

897
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: ain't hearing me. You ain't going nowhere, but again like

898
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 2: in German right. So finally, in November, when he should

899
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: have been preparing his Christmas Mass program at his new gig,

900
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: js Bock is absolutely losing it like he was losing

901
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: it before. Now it's erupting from his skin. Right. I

902
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: wish I could tell you who he popped off at.

903
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, but we do know that he popped

904
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: off in the court of the Duchy and everyone was like,

905
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: oh no, because young hot headed Bock just was like

906
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 2: basically yelling fire me, fire me, fire me, which, by

907
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: the way, my friend Dave once did exactly this at

908
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: dream Works until Jeffrey Katzenberg was like, Okay, fine, I

909
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: fire you, you can go. So this behavior still goes

910
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: on today, is what I'm saying. And Dave would be

911
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: amused that I just compared him to JS Box, So

912
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: rip Dave. Anyway, back to js Bock and Duke Wilhelm

913
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: Ernst and they're out of stubbornness so young back he

914
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 2: goes ham in the court a saxsify mar and Duke

915
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: will Hummers is like, you do know I have my

916
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 2: home prison, right baby? So js Bock gets to know

917
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: the Fortress prison firsthand, up close personal. He gets to

918
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: know the feel of the cold damp stones and guess

919
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 2: what my man does once he's locked up. He's like, cool, cool,

920
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: I still want to resign. Yeah, just keeps pushing it right,

921
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: So he tries to wait out the Duke's anger, and

922
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 2: it's like he hopes that he'll find some like new

923
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: something else to get him mad about and eventually let

924
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: him go. That does not happen, So Back is like,

925
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: well kind of these gets some work done, americ, can

926
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 2: he bring me some pens and paper and something ink?

927
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: And the Duke is like, he's belligerent, but he's not

928
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: like a capricious man, so he's like, give him some

929
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: pens and paper. So at this point js Bock writes

930
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: a good piece of the well tempered Clavier.

931
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 5: Yeah right.

932
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 2: So more time passes, Jasbock is writing up his masterpiece.

933
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: The Duke is flexing his power on him. After like

934
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 2: a week, the Duke is like, has the concertmister changed

935
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 2: his mind yet? And the jailers would go and ask

936
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: him in jsboc and'd be like, hell, no, I haven't

937
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 2: fired me. And then the dude, wut hear this? He'd

938
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 2: be like that little okay, well he can stay in there.

939
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: Maybe he get his mind right. And then more time passes,

940
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: the Duke would get curious and ask if the concertmeister

941
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: had to change into thinking yet, and the jailers would

942
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 2: ask him and he would change his mind and he'd

943
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: be like, I need more pens and paper but no,

944
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: and oh, by the way, tell the Duke to fire me.

945
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: So the Duke would hear this and be like ha,

946
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: and he'd like throw like a pork leg across the

947
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,479
Speaker 2: room in anger or whatever. Right, Now, keep in mind

948
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: back is young, he's thirty two, and he's also super

949
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 2: about that bedlife. So he's got six kids, a wife

950
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: at home, whoa, and he's locked up in a prison

951
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 2: fortress for a month and doesn't know when it's gonna end. Yes,

952
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: still doesn't give in. I impressed it, but that anyway. Finally,

953
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: after a month of this, the Duke is like, is

954
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: that catjs box still counting him on the living And

955
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: everyone's like, yeah, yeah, hey, yeah he is. And he's like, okay, cool,

956
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: we should let him out. I mean, I've changed my mind.

957
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: He's stubborn. I don't think we're gonna break him. He's

958
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 2: really ruin in the mood in my court. Let him go.

959
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 2: So they let him go, and I was like, all right, December.

960
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: After a month inside jailers turn him loose, right, and

961
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: he finally accepts of resignation. Now he can leave. So

962
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 2: js Bach has sprung for the pen. He swoops up

963
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: his brew to kids, his young wife, He splits town.

964
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: He heads to a new home in anhalt curtain right

965
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier, Yeah, now that's where he would go

966
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: on to write a Brandenburg concertos and do all the

967
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 2: famous stuff. But I mentioned earlier how he, as a

968
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 2: young man, also fought his students as their teacher. Yeah,

969
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: when he was first starting out, before he was the

970
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: concertsmeister at the Weimar Court, Bach was a music teacher,

971
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: just a normal music teacher. Trouble for him was he

972
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 2: was eighteen years old, dang, so his students were barely

973
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 2: younger than him. Some are actually older than him, and

974
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: they often were bigger than him, so he got very

975
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: used to them not treating him with the appropriate amount

976
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: of respect that he at least expected. Consequently, Bach wasn't

977
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 2: a big fan of his students. So also he's his

978
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 2: hot headed musical phenom and he's stuck teaching know nothings

979
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: how to like not sound terrible on the harpsichord. Yeah,

980
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: so he just hates it right, And some of his

981
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 2: students were known hard cases, so much so that the

982
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: local city council referred to his students as scandalous. They

983
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 2: are in the like, oh, that's the scandalous students over

984
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 2: at such and such. Yeah, So for two years he's

985
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: teaching this hard scrabble lot of n'er dowells and they've

986
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: taken to making fun of him outside of class because

987
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: they don't like him. And the students have all these

988
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 2: taunting nicknames for their young teacher. They see them out,

989
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: they follow him, they harass him because it's like, what

990
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 2: are you gonna do outside of class? You can't do

991
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: anything outside of class? Right once again, but in German. Yeah,

992
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: so it gets so bad that young Bok starts carrying

993
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: a blade on him. It's only a matter of time

994
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 2: until the inevitable occurred. The worst among the students, both

995
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: in behavior and in musical talent, was a cat named

996
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 2: geiers Bach. Yeah, and so there's three years older than Bach.

997
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 2: He's the main bully of the bunch. He was also

998
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: a bassoonist. Just thought I should throw that in there, bassonists.

999
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: One night, geiers Bach is out with the boys, and

1000
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: who do they see but young Bach out for an

1001
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: evening constitutional with his cousin Barbara Katharina. They're in the

1002
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: town's market square, so the center of town, and that's

1003
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 2: where geiers Back the boys is laying about and they

1004
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: spot their teacher Bock come into the town square, and

1005
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: so what do they do? They go harass him in

1006
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: the town square, only this time geyers Bach grabs like

1007
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 2: a big stick, like a broken piece of tree branch,

1008
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: and he storms over to Bach. And this cat, geyers

1009
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 2: Bach is bigger than Bach, and I'm guessing he's also

1010
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 2: like had a few. So Geyer's Bach gets in box

1011
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: face and he spits all these angry hot words and

1012
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: if they have like an ignorant tone. He's like, if

1013
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: I have you been making abusive remarks about me? Teach

1014
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: you right? And Bach can sense the trouble le bruin,

1015
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: so he lies and he says, no, no, never, I

1016
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: would never make abusive remarks about you. Whoever told you

1017
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 2: that he's a liar? Right? And so Geyer's Bach is like, okay,

1018
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: well maybe that's maybe true, but you've insulted my bassoon playing,

1019
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: and anyone who insults my bassoon insults me. So Bach

1020
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: is like, whoa chill guyers back, man, come on, But

1021
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: he's not hearing it, and he's not hearing it so

1022
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: much so that it explodes into this event. Well, rather

1023
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: than me just tell you about Elizabeth, I'd like you

1024
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: to close your eyes and I want you to picture it.

1025
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: It's a pleasant summer evening in the walled town of

1026
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 2: Arntstat in the Dutch of Thuringia in what will later

1027
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 2: be eastern central Germany. At the moment, you are enjoying

1028
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: the sweet summer evening breeze as children gamble about the

1029
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,959
Speaker 2: town square, running off their excess energy. As elders gather

1030
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: in small clusters on the edge, watching the exuberance of

1031
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: youth with their wizened smiles. You are in the middle,

1032
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 2: neither child nor elder. You are an adult of working age,

1033
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: specifically the town's best bookmaker. You are well regarded for

1034
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: your artistry, and you make a living turning out beautiful

1035
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: gilded editions of beloved classics and new books penned by

1036
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: Thuringia's finest minds. You were on your walk home when

1037
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: you decided to stop and buy a small bowl of

1038
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: zweibelsupa and a slice of poppy seed strudel and sit

1039
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: for a short spell to enjoy the transition into evening.

1040
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: But the pleasant evening vibe is about to be shattered

1041
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: by a local thug, a bassoon player named geyers Block.

1042
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: You don't see how it began, but you hear it escalate.

1043
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: You set down your cup of onion soup and your Strudel,

1044
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 2: and you turn your attention to the developing scene. See

1045
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: the much larger man, the local thug and bassoon player

1046
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 2: Geyer's Back, is brandishing some sort of large stick and

1047
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 2: threatening the young music teacher, Johann Sebastian Bach. You hear

1048
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: geyers Back shout as his teacher, you dirty dog. Then

1049
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,919
Speaker 2: he swings the branch with the clear aim to knock

1050
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 2: his teacher's head loose from his shoulders. But Bach is

1051
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 2: no young ninny. He reaches into his overcoat and draws

1052
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 2: out a knife. He lets the bully bassoonist see the

1053
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: blade's cool, steely reflection as it catches a glint of moonlight.

1054
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 2: Being ignorant as he is, Geyer's back charges in with

1055
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 2: the broken tree branch. It takes a few more slings.

1056
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: Young Bach lets that blade sing in the air. He

1057
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: jabs and stabs as he dodges the angry bassoonist tree branch.

1058
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: You gasp when you see Bach thrust with his dagger

1059
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Speaker 2: at the midsection. Tryers back. The blade is lost in

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00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 2: his overcoat and does not draw back. Bloody. It misses

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Speaker 2: the bully bassoonist by a mere inch or two. Geyers

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00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 2: Back tosses down his bro can tree branch and he

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00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 2: tackles Bock around the mid section. The two young men

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Speaker 2: crash against the cobblestone in the market. They continue to

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Speaker 2: wrestle and to throw blows. At this point other men

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Speaker 2: and passers by rush into the scene to separate the two.

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Speaker 2: Before Bob kills the bully bassoonist Geyer's back, the crowd

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Speaker 2: pulls the two young men part. If you feel a

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00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: wave of relief, you watch as the hot head back

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Speaker 2: gets up, brushes himself off. His cousin Barbara Katherina helps

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Speaker 2: him dust off, and then they go on about their walk.

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Speaker 2: A few of his students, Geyers box crew have to

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Speaker 2: hold the bully bassoonists back long enough for the music

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Speaker 2: teacher and his cousin to leave the market square. You

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Speaker 2: sigh to yourself, just another night in downtown Arnstadt. Since

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Speaker 2: he loved arguing before a court or a prince or

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Speaker 2: a duke jays, Boch did not let this matter go

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Speaker 2: on that evening attack, so instead he had his cousin

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Speaker 2: Barbara Katherina come with him and be the star witness

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Speaker 2: as he brought the matter before the town council of Arnstadt,

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Speaker 2: and speaking on his own behalf was geyers Back, and

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Speaker 2: he spoke up for his actions that fateful evening. Now,

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00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: geiers Back said that his anger was understandable since, on

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Speaker 2: more than one occasion, in front of others in the

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00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 2: youth music ensemble, his teacher jab s Bach had called

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Speaker 2: him quote a nanny goat bassoonist. So the argument did

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00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 2: not sway the town council, but they also ruled that

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Speaker 2: no punishment was necessary. Kind of mixed bag of justice,

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00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: no harm, no fault decision, I suppose. Anyway, the town

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Speaker 2: council did instruct the music teacher to try to win

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Speaker 2: over his students so that way they didn't feel that

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00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: they have to assault him in the town square. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: Those are a few choice moments from the life of

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Speaker 2: rebel bad boy Johann Sebastian Bach, which just goes to

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Speaker 2: show you, Elizabeth, whether it's Sebastian Bach of skid Row

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00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: or Johann Sebastian Bach, sometimes you're gonna get tackled for

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00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: being a hothead, and that's just what happens when your

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00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 2: name Bach Sebastian Bach. Centuries may separate them, but their

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Speaker 2: names and their public's reaction to their musical genius is

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Speaker 2: the same. Some would tackle that guy anyway, and people

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00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: always watching out they have that same reaction. What the

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00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 2: buck is going on? So what's our ridiculous takeaway? Here? Elizabeth?

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Speaker 2: Always ask yourself, what would Keith Richards do? That's a

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Speaker 2: good rule. I'm gonna get you that a shirt. What's

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Speaker 2: your ridiculous takeaway? People have been the same forever. You

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Speaker 2: should remember that when we're looking backwards to time. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you should remember that when we're looking at each other presently,

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00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 2: remember that when we're looking forward at the future, people

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00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: will always be the same. There's nothing new under the sun,

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Speaker 2: just new technology here and there, but back to back

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Speaker 2: people are mostly the same. You're in the mood for

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Speaker 2: a talk box, Producer, D, what you got for us?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love.

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Speaker 6: Hey, producer D. Elizabeth and Sarah. My name's Jennifer. I'm

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Speaker 6: calling from Miami, Florida, and I just heard your episode

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Speaker 6: about the mass characters and the crimes. They admitted the

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Speaker 6: reason why the University of Miami their mascot is the

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Speaker 6: ibis is because it is the last bird to leave

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Speaker 6: before hurricane and the first one to come back.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 6: You go have a great day.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's cool. That's do to know. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: That is really cool. I'd love to learn something a

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Speaker 3: strong skinny leg bird.

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Speaker 2: It's a good symbol too, yes, resilience and yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 2: I love it. Well. Thank you for leaving that and

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Speaker 2: for thank you for sharing. Yeah, thank you. You can

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Speaker 2: always find us online Ridiculous Crime on our social medias

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Speaker 2: and you can go to the iHeart app, download it

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Speaker 2: and leave a talkback like we just heard. We love those.

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Speaker 2: Please do that. And also we have our new Ridiculous

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Speaker 2: Crime Pod account on YouTube, so go to Ridiculous Crime

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Speaker 2: Pod and you can find it. I've said it wrong

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Speaker 2: in the past, so there you go. That's the correctly expressed. Also,

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Speaker 2: you can email us if you like a Ridiculous Crime

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Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. Please start your email, dear producer

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Speaker 2: d thank you for listening and we will catch you

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Speaker 2: next crime. Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and

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Speaker 2: Zarin Brunette, produced and edited by the lead singer of

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Speaker 2: the cover band Bachan Black, Dave Constein, and starring Les

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Speaker 2: Rutger as Judah. Research is by Sebastian Bach's former hairspray consultant,

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Speaker 2: Marissa Brown. Our theme song is by the bond Jovi

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Speaker 2: to Our skid Row Thomas Lee and Travis Debt. The

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Speaker 2: host wardrobe provided by Botany five hundred guest Hara, makeup

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Speaker 2: by Sparkleshot and Mister Under. The executive producers are Richie Sambora,

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Speaker 2: Truther Ben Bolan, and former Team be cover photographer the

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Speaker 2: man who invented the AquaNet hairspray fan Noel Brown. Why

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Speaker 2: Say It one More Times?

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Speaker 5: Crime?

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