WEBVTT - Introducing: The Builders with Walter Isaacson

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<v Speaker 1>How do you know when you're dealing with Claude that

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<v Speaker 1>it won't become manipulative? Do you see any problem having

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<v Speaker 1>drones that'll make kill decisions without a human being.

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<v Speaker 2>In the loop?

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<v Speaker 1>If artificial intelligence can do so much and take over

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<v Speaker 1>so much of what we do, what's left for humans

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<v Speaker 1>to do, how do we find meaning?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Walter Isaacson, host of the new podcast, The Builders.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no question we're living through an AI arms race.

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<v Speaker 2>But I wanted to understand, what are we racing towards?

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<v Speaker 2>So I went directly to the people shaping our future

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<v Speaker 2>to understand what they believe, what they fear, and where

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<v Speaker 2>they think all of this is heading. People like Elon Musk.

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<v Speaker 3>If there's a million times more digital intelligence than there

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<v Speaker 3>is biological intelligence, it's hard to imagine humans being in

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<v Speaker 3>control in that scenario.

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<v Speaker 2>Dario and Daniela Amadei.

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<v Speaker 4>Six months from now, the things that seemed hard, they're

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<v Speaker 4>going to be easy. Twelve months from now, the things

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<v Speaker 4>that seemed impossible, the models are going to be doing

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<v Speaker 4>them regularly.

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<v Speaker 2>Palmer Luckey.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't want to live in a world where a

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<v Speaker 4>handful of corporate weapons executives get to have control over U.S.

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<v Speaker 3>Foreign policy.

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<v Speaker 1>Shouldn't the democratically elected leaders make that decision rather than

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<v Speaker 1>heads of technology corporations?

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Karp, Fei-Fei Li, Gary Tan, and more. I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to understand what they're building towards and what future we

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<v Speaker 2>will all inherit.

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<v Speaker 5>How do we create the future we want? Silicon Valley

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<v Speaker 5>is always saying the cliche thing about the way to

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<v Speaker 5>predict the future is to create it. Well, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 5>up to us.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you say us, who's us? Is it 400

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<v Speaker 1>people that you know in Silicon Valley? Is it me

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<v Speaker 1>down here in New Orleans? What are we supposed to do?

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<v Speaker 2>These builders are brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>Brand.

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<v Speaker 2>Controversial. Their decisions are already shaping our world.

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<v Speaker 5>And now we live on their timeline, where the age

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<v Speaker 5>of intelligence is much closer.

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<v Speaker 2>The question is, whose imagination do we want to live in?

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<v Speaker 4>My God, you just scale this thing up another factor

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<v Speaker 4>of a million, and it'll be better than humans at everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen to The Builders on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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<v Speaker 2>or wherever you get your podcasts.