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Speaker 1: NFL camps are open for business, but some players are not.
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin of the Commanders is holding out. This is
Speaker 1: one that doesn't make the headlines like Michaeh Parsons, even
Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson, but it should because Terry McLaurin is twenty
Speaker 1: nine years of age in the last year of his
Speaker 1: deal with the Commanders, and if you look at over
Speaker 1: the last three seasons, he's made two Pro Bowls. Last
Speaker 1: year second team All Pro, eighty two catches, eleven hundred
Speaker 1: yards and thirteen touchdowns, and to be able to help
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels make that transition into a very successful rookie year.
Speaker 1: But this isn't getting a lot of attention now. If
Speaker 1: he was playing for the Cowboys, it would, but he
Speaker 1: plays for the Commander. But the Commanders are on the
Speaker 1: short odds of a team that can compete for a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl this year, certainly more better odds than the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But Michael Parsons situation, which we talked about, is he's
Speaker 1: going to be the highest paid non quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 1: It's going to happen. It's inevitable. The question is when
Speaker 1: is it going to and is there going to be
Speaker 1: any aftershocks because it just feels like Jerry Jones is
Speaker 1: saying things, and you say things. He loves to go
Speaker 1: to a press conference, hold a press conference, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he starts talking, and then you
Speaker 1: go down a rabbit hole and then you might be
Speaker 1: saying something that bothers that person. Now, I don't know
Speaker 1: if Michael Parsons, you know, he doesn't have any other options.
Speaker 1: He wants to be a cowboy. He'll be a cowboy.
Speaker 1: It's just I don't understand the runway with this. You know,
Speaker 1: where you're taking all this time to do what? What
Speaker 1: exactly are you accomplish Unless this saves you money because
Speaker 1: you don't have to pay him, maybe you hold that
Speaker 1: off for a couple of months. Okay, But I just
Speaker 1: think trying to get goodwill with contracts with players, you know,
Speaker 1: I go back to Trey Hendrickson when the owner who
Speaker 1: inherited the team from his dad is talking about Trey
Speaker 1: Hendrickson being a little emotional with his contract. Okay, Mike
Speaker 1: Brown is being disingenuous to Trey Hendrickson. Mike Brown negotiates
Speaker 1: all these contracts. He doesn't have any emotional investment in
Speaker 1: this unless you don't listen to him and acquiesce to him,
Speaker 1: then he becomes a little emotional. Trey Hendrickson is just
Speaker 1: fighting for what he thinks he's worth. He's outperformed TJ.
Speaker 1: Watt the last two years. Now, is he going to
Speaker 1: get money that is similar? No, but you could have
Speaker 1: had him for thirty four million dollars. Now it's gone
Speaker 1: up to forty million dollars for these edge rushers, and
Speaker 1: Mikeah Parson's probably going to get forty two million dollars.
Speaker 1: Just trying to understand the logic of let me take
Speaker 1: care of you. And the Eagles they are the blueprint.
Speaker 1: They have been brilliant in signing these players, signing them
Speaker 1: early because if you look at some of the deals
Speaker 1: that they've signed, they got bargains here, and I think
Speaker 1: that's where some of these owners they tried to play
Speaker 1: hardball here. And do I think Trey Hendrickson eventually gets paid.
Speaker 1: I do now at least they were looking at maybe
Speaker 1: the trade options for him. Dallas isn't doing that with
Speaker 1: Mike Caparsons. But Mike Comparsons spoke yesterday and you know,
Speaker 1: Cowboys camp is open, and he was asked if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys do want to get a deal done. Cowboys, I
Speaker 1: want to get a deal done.
Speaker 2: I mean honestly, you know, you know, for me, if
Speaker 2: it don't man like I said, I've been pretty consistent.
Speaker 2: If they don't want me here, they don't want me here,
Speaker 2: I'll go around my business. I understand the nature of business.
Speaker 2: Why I said, as long as I'm hearing an under concert,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do what I have to do to perform at.
Speaker 1: The highest level. This is Dan, This is Dan.
Speaker 2: You know, there's there's the same way to Jones, j
Speaker 2: Jones and Stephen Jones and how did Jerry Jones take
Speaker 2: care of their family? It's the same way I need
Speaker 2: to take care of my family.
Speaker 1: Do I mean?
Speaker 2: I got my own three kids of our own, so
Speaker 2: we all need to take care.
Speaker 1: Of my wanta family. Then you goes, Okay, it's going
Speaker 1: to get done. That's why I don't want to waste
Speaker 1: your time, you know, talking about the Cowboys. If this
Speaker 1: wasn't going to get done, If I thought that there
Speaker 1: was a real risk here. Then it's a big story.
Speaker 1: I do think it's a story just from the standpoint
Speaker 1: of once again it's Jerry doing this. He did this
Speaker 1: to Dak Prescott. Remember Dak signed his deal. What was
Speaker 1: that the Sunday of the first week of the NFL
Speaker 1: season prior to the game. Did you need to go
Speaker 1: that far that long to mak him the highest paid
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL. Seems like you could have done
Speaker 1: that earlier. Now you take kind of a slight or
Speaker 1: shot at Dak Prescott that he didn't stay healthy. I
Speaker 1: had to pay him all this money and Dak Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons could get hit by a car, and like, what
Speaker 1: are we doing here? You're running a business. It just
Speaker 1: feels like this is more entertainment than running a business. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to a press conference and I'm
Speaker 1: going to be all over Sports Center. That's disappointing. If
Speaker 1: I'm a Cowboy fan, you just want him to do
Speaker 1: it right, Just do it right. Get our guys in. Okay,
Speaker 1: you overpaid for Dak, All right, ceedee, Lamb's a really
Speaker 1: good player. You're spending thirty million. Mike's going to cost
Speaker 1: you a forty two million. Dak cost you sixty million. Okay,
Speaker 1: Now let's work on the rest of the roster because
Speaker 1: we have to compete in a division that has the
Speaker 1: Eagles and the Commanders. You know, the Bengals are in
Speaker 1: a division with the Ravens and the Steelers are all in.
Speaker 1: Now that's what I don't understand with the Bengals logic
Speaker 1: as well. Now you have you know, Mike Brown, the
Speaker 1: Bengals president, saying it's foolishness that Shamar Stewart is still unsigned.
Speaker 1: In the language here is Stuart wants everything guaranteed, even
Speaker 1: if there's conduct detrimental to the team. He wants everything
Speaker 1: fully guaranteed. And then Mike Brown said, well, we don't
Speaker 1: want to pay somebody who could be in jail, which
Speaker 1: is a big leap of you know, faith of or
Speaker 1: lack of faith with the guy you drafted. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he could end up in jail, and then I don't
Speaker 1: want to pay that. Okay. So this is once again,
Speaker 1: it's the Bengals. And yes, they've been to a Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: they've been to a Super Bowl more recent than the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But when you have these owners who get involved or
Speaker 1: how they get involved, it usually doesn't go well. Most
Speaker 1: of your organizations owners don't get involved. They have gms
Speaker 1: and coaches who do that. But Jerry loved Jerry is
Speaker 1: the coach and the GM and the owner. And you know,
Speaker 1: after a while, you go, it's unfortunate because I would
Speaker 1: say to Michael Parsons, you could assign Michael Parsons to
Speaker 1: a deal that was less than teach Jay Watt or
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. You could have done this. You could have
Speaker 1: been proactive to say, dude, you're our guy, and you
Speaker 1: could have saved some money here. And this is all
Speaker 1: about squeezing everybody in that salary cap. And this is
Speaker 1: a team that is so top heavy. I mean, is
Speaker 1: there another team in the NFL that's this top heavy quarterback,
Speaker 1: wide receiver, edge rusher. Is anybody coming close to the
Speaker 1: Cowboys in how much money they're spending. But you could
Speaker 1: have got ahead of this. You could have done that
Speaker 1: with Dak, You could have done that with Cede Lamb,
Speaker 1: and you certainly could have done that with Mike comparisons. Remember,
Speaker 1: this is ownership that says they're all in. What does
Speaker 1: that mean? All in? And then the Bengals you need
Speaker 1: defense because the Ravens are going to be a super
Speaker 1: Bowl contender. The Steelers probably better than they were last year.
Speaker 1: Get in front of this. We know, gone are the
Speaker 1: old school ways that we're playing hardball these guys, you
Speaker 1: know this, This has to be almost working together, hand
Speaker 1: in hand, a partnership with these players. Trey Hendrickson wants
Speaker 1: to be there. You don't act like you want him
Speaker 1: to be there. Michael Parsons wants to be there. You
Speaker 1: don't act like you want him to be there, or
Speaker 1: we do. But you're not getting a team friendly deal.
Speaker 1: If I'm Michael Parsons, no way would I give you
Speaker 1: a team friendly deal if I was kind of proactive
Speaker 1: to this months ago. Yes, I mean look at Mahomes.
Speaker 1: Mahomes gave the Chiefs a team friendly deal. Why because
Speaker 1: he had trust in the front office. They would continue
Speaker 1: to surround him with talent. They would be competing for
Speaker 1: Super Bowls. Now, yes, it's a ten year deal for
Speaker 1: five hundred million dollars, but still I said it at
Speaker 1: the time, in two or three years, this will be
Speaker 1: a bargain. And that's exactly what's happened with this. But
Speaker 1: he had trust in ownership, he had trust in his
Speaker 1: GM trust in his coach, and look how that's played out.
Speaker 1: Brady did that. Hey, I'll help you here, But I
Speaker 1: have trust, I have the best coach in history, and
Speaker 1: I have a great owner, a Hall of fame owner,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to be competing for championships. And I
Speaker 1: think it worked out pretty well.
Speaker 3: Yes, Paulie, And you're exactly right about signing early to
Speaker 3: save a couple bucks. If you go back to Joe
Speaker 3: Burrow and the Bengals, they signed him a year earlier.
Speaker 3: They could have waited a whole another year. He's completely
Speaker 3: under contract, but they thought, we know what we have.
Speaker 3: He's a sure thing. We sign him now, we get
Speaker 3: him at this rate. We sign him a year later
Speaker 3: at that rate is now three million more per year.
Speaker 3: So they look at his saving money by signing one
Speaker 3: year early.
Speaker 1: And that could mean the difference of keeping somebody, signing
Speaker 1: somebody and three million dollars. But I once again, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I understand the logic of this with the
Speaker 1: Bengals situation and certainly the Dallas Cowboys, but I will
Speaker 1: say I think I don't think Mike Brown is looking
Speaker 1: for attention. I think Jerry Jones is looking for attention.
Speaker 1: He loves attention and he got it and this will pass.
Speaker 1: That's why when I bring it up, I'm like, gosh,
Speaker 1: how important is this because Michaeh Parsons will get signed? Yeah.
Speaker 4: See, I mean I agree to some extent, but I
Speaker 4: think you can sign a player early and save a
Speaker 4: couple of bucks, right, and you sign a four year
Speaker 4: deal at this rate, and then year two they have
Speaker 4: the best year of their career and they say, well,
Speaker 4: maybe we rearrange year three and I'm just going to
Speaker 4: sit out here a year early before we can really
Speaker 4: start talking about this. I mean, we saw, like Darrell Reeves.
Speaker 4: We've seen people that dude was a master of holding out.
Speaker 4: He would sign a ten year deal and after year
Speaker 4: two be like, Nope, redo it, which I'm all for actually,
Speaker 4: but there really is no you can get in early,
Speaker 4: but that just means that's the earlier you're going to
Speaker 4: be renegotiating the back end of that contract.
Speaker 1: But look at what the Eagles did. They got in early,
Speaker 1: and they got bargains and they're favored to repeat as
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl champ. I understand what you're saying, and
Speaker 1: I don't agree with these players who say Hey, I
Speaker 1: outperform my contract. No, this is a contract you sign.
Speaker 1: You have to live up to something here because nobody
Speaker 1: ever gives money back. If Trey Hendrickson signs for thirty
Speaker 1: five million, it's not like he's gonna go, hey, I
Speaker 1: only had four sacks. Wait a minute, you want me
Speaker 1: to give money back? Yeah?
Speaker 4: See, this is what drives me crazy. Are we paying
Speaker 4: for potential or are we paying for performance? Because Trey Hendrickson,
Speaker 4: he's performed. Now pay the guy who's like, wow, why
Speaker 4: would we pay him? He's already done everything. Now he's
Speaker 4: too old, we already got his best years. We're not
Speaker 4: going to pay him now. Well, then, which side of
Speaker 4: it is it? I understand that there's a certain mindset
Speaker 4: of like, how about we don't pay anybody ever anything
Speaker 4: and just get them for as cheap as possible. I
Speaker 4: understand that it's garbage, but I get it. You either
Speaker 4: have to choose one side of it or the other.
Speaker 4: You're either choosing them on potential or you're choosing them
Speaker 4: on performance.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's the timing of that. But also
Speaker 1: with Trey Hendrickson, you know he's thirty. If he was
Speaker 1: twenty eight, then maybe maybe it's different, but thirty and
Speaker 1: you're saying, man, we got thirty five sacks out of
Speaker 1: this guy the last two years, what do we want
Speaker 1: to give him. Meanwhile, the Steelers looked at TJ. Watt,
Speaker 1: same age and said, we're going to make you the
Speaker 1: highest paid defensive player in the game, highest paid non
Speaker 1: quarterback in the game. So I think it's depends on
Speaker 1: the timing and depends on the organization.
Speaker 3: YESO and Miles Garrett two years younger than Trey Hendrickson,
Speaker 3: and that's it. It's not even a question that he
Speaker 3: gets a deal. What if Trey Hendrickson did a deal
Speaker 3: where he got I want three million dollars per sec.
Speaker 3: There's the contract, give me three million dollars for the
Speaker 3: next three season contract three million dollars per sec. If
Speaker 3: I get fifteen sacks, I've done my job. I'm a
Speaker 3: first team All Pro and you can be forty five
Speaker 3: million bucks. Everybody wins and can't do that. I know
Speaker 3: you can't, but it'd be great if you could.
Speaker 1: Now if he said give me two million per sack,
Speaker 1: so that's thirty million, and then you could give him
Speaker 1: another bonus if he makes an All Pro or Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you can put that language
Speaker 1: into contracts or how much you can put into a contract,
Speaker 1: but you know that's where a player then gets selfish,
Speaker 1: where you know you're asking him to do something, or
Speaker 1: you know, wide receivers would do that, and they come
Speaker 1: back to the huddle. I gotta get my touches, man.
Speaker 1: You know, I got to get x number of yards.
Speaker 1: I got to get X number of catches. Then it
Speaker 1: becomes selfish and it's detrimental to the team. But it
Speaker 1: is interesting when we talk about do I pay you
Speaker 1: on potential? Do I pay you on performance? I think
Speaker 1: it depends on the team and the age of the
Speaker 1: player with them. We'll take a break. We're going to
Speaker 1: settle on a poll question. We'll come up with a
Speaker 1: couple options. Sandman will join us. Tyro matthew announces his
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Speaker 1: Ozzy Osbourne passing away yesterday at the age of seventy six.
Speaker 1: I believe it's one of those great mysteries that you have.
Speaker 1: You know, there's certain artists where you go, man, that
Speaker 1: guy is crazy. And I remember the first time I
Speaker 1: heard about Ozzy. It's like he bit the head off
Speaker 1: of bat? What? And then all of a sudden he
Speaker 1: had to get shots, you know, ray these shots because
Speaker 1: he bit the head off of I don't know if
Speaker 1: he did bite the head off a bat, but there
Speaker 1: was always this mystery of Ozzy Osbourne. What does he
Speaker 1: do when he goes home? Does he live in a dungeon?
Speaker 1: What is he up to? And then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you had the Osbourne's that came out totally ruined
Speaker 1: what I thought the vibe was gonna be with Ozzy
Speaker 1: Osbourne where you see this guy kind of shuffling around
Speaker 1: the kitchen, Sharad got the little dogs that are crapping
Speaker 1: on the floor and you know he needs help with everything.
Speaker 1: They have to have close caption putting his you know,
Speaker 1: translating what he's saying, and you go, oh, no, that's
Speaker 1: not our rock star Ozzy Osbourne. But you couldn't go
Speaker 1: to a sports venue it feels like without hearing crazy
Speaker 1: tray from Ozzy Osbourne. It just feels like every team
Speaker 1: and not just professional teams. And uh, the the illusion
Speaker 1: that he gave you. Like Alice Cooper was one of
Speaker 1: the first artists back in the seventies where he had
Speaker 1: a guillotine and he you know, cutting somebody's head off
Speaker 1: or giving the impression their snakes and there and then
Speaker 1: I met Alice Cooper in Scottsdale playing golf and could
Speaker 1: not have been just a more normal, nice guy drinking
Speaker 1: Budweiser's and h see, sometimes when you know, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't want to be behind the curtain with some
Speaker 1: of these artists and realize that you know they're into
Speaker 1: Macro may or you know they're gonna be knitting or
Speaker 1: something in a rocking chair or something. Yes, Paulie Fritzy
Speaker 1: and I were talking about it.
Speaker 3: We were little kids when Ozzy Osbourne and Black Sabbath
Speaker 3: were hitting, so we didn't know the music, but you
Speaker 3: could not know who Ozzy Osbourne was. I remember he
Speaker 3: was like a nightmare tale for kids, or remember kay
Speaker 3: he was. He's a crazy guy from London who bit
Speaker 3: a head off a bat in concert, and he was
Speaker 3: You didn't have to know anything about music to know
Speaker 3: who he was and be a little intimidated or scared
Speaker 3: by his presence.
Speaker 7: I heard he got fifty shots in the Necker come
Speaker 7: of crazy stories going around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it was the music as much
Speaker 1: for a lot of people now obviously diehard Black Sabbath fans,
Speaker 1: but I think for the general public, they knew about
Speaker 1: Ozzy because he supposedly bit the bat head off a bat,
Speaker 1: and then people knew him for his show, which was
Speaker 1: a great reality show. I mean that was that was
Speaker 1: very entertaining, but it did ruin the image of who
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, Ozzy Osbourne was going to be.
Speaker 1: You're putting subtitles up there and you're going I don't know,
Speaker 1: what he said, and they finally put it up there.
Speaker 1: I think that's what he's saying here. Yes, Marvin, I.
Speaker 7: Think we're probably a generational gap for a lot of
Speaker 7: people because they're probably the younger kids that are like, oh,
Speaker 7: the guy from the Osbourne's, and probably your dads and
Speaker 7: their moms were like no, no.
Speaker 1: No, no, no.
Speaker 7: He was somebody before the Osborne's reality show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Black Sabbath Ozzie age of seventy six, and he
Speaker 1: had one last concert a couple of weeks ago, and
Speaker 1: I felt bad for him. Now, they were raising money,
Speaker 1: and I think they raised a lot of money, but
Speaker 1: I mean they really had to wheeling him out there
Speaker 1: and have him perform one more time, and his daughter
Speaker 1: got engaged I think backstage after the show, and I
Speaker 1: just I don't know, it felt like they were propping
Speaker 1: him up there. I felt bad for him, but maybe
Speaker 1: maybe you know, he got great joy out of that
Speaker 1: that he got to perform one last time.
Speaker 4: Yes, he but whenever I got to see him in
Speaker 4: concert a couple of times solo and with Black Sabbath,
Speaker 4: they did like a reunion tour, and that was just
Speaker 4: seeing Ozzy was one thing, but Black Sabbath. It was
Speaker 4: even though he was reading off the prompter, he was
Speaker 4: still like this version of Ozzy where he really couldn't move,
Speaker 4: he couldn't do whatever.
Speaker 1: It was still incredible where you're.
Speaker 4: Like, that's him, that's him right there, and that's like
Speaker 4: Tony I only this is Black Sabbath and they're playing paranoid.
Speaker 1: This is unbelievable.
Speaker 4: But what an incredible moment to have that type of
Speaker 4: you know, it must have been forty years since that
Speaker 4: album came out, that came out in like seventy, I guess,
Speaker 4: just seeing him and all of that mystery, even if
Speaker 4: it had been gone a little bit, it was still
Speaker 4: Ozzy and it was still that moment.
Speaker 1: Guy. It was great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pauly, And in the past twenty years I looked
Speaker 3: it up. A lot of Black Sabbath songs have been
Speaker 3: used in different movies, big movies, the biggest one being
Speaker 3: the movie Iron Man. They don't use the song at all.
Speaker 3: They use back in black and during this movie, but
Speaker 3: at the very end, when Tony Stark goes, I Am
Speaker 3: iron Man, they cut to the credits and they play
Speaker 3: iron Man to end the mo movie, and it's just
Speaker 3: perfect timing.
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Speaker 1: the British Open, the Open Championship up twenty one percent.
Speaker 1: How about that? So you had a foregone conclusion and
Speaker 1: people still watch? Now, I don't know if people watch more.
Speaker 1: People watch because you're looking at a golf course that's
Speaker 1: unlike our golf courses. This is link style. It's on
Speaker 1: the water. You know, you're looking at fairways that don't
Speaker 1: look like fairways. The bunkers are different than ours. Greens
Speaker 1: are sometimes huge. But people watched. They watched Scotti Scheffler.
Speaker 1: Now do I think he's a ratings draw like Tiger, No,
Speaker 1: nobody is. But the fact that the ratings were up
Speaker 1: twenty one percent and I think up maybe fourteen percent
Speaker 1: on Sunday when I think everybody knew Scotty Scheffler was
Speaker 1: going to win. The ratings for the WNBA All Star
Speaker 1: Game they were down thirty five percent over last year.
Speaker 1: See this is this is a tricky time for the
Speaker 1: WNBA because they are looking for more money. They should
Speaker 1: be paid more money. I just think there has to
Speaker 1: be an awareness around the league of it's not a
Speaker 1: house of cards, But you do need Caitlin Clark. You
Speaker 1: need her. And I don't know if everybody looks at
Speaker 1: this the same way because there's a lot of players
Speaker 1: and teams that are very good, but there have been
Speaker 1: players and teams that have been very good for the
Speaker 1: last twenty years. You've got to be careful with this.
Speaker 1: Embrace those that need to be embraced. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: different rules. I'm not saying officiate differently, but I am
Speaker 1: saying embracing what she means. And even Angel Reese. Angel Reese,
Speaker 1: you know she brings people to the TVs that she
Speaker 1: brings people to the arenas. She's not a dynamic player,
Speaker 1: but she is a personality and she plays hard. But
Speaker 1: understanding that the league has had this, they've had teams,
Speaker 1: they've had Hall of Fame players, they've never had Caitlin Clark,
Speaker 1: and it just feels like there's this, yeah, kind of
Speaker 1: tolerating Caitlin Clark. These numbers are real. The number of
Speaker 1: people who were interested in watching this. This isn't those
Speaker 1: who showed up at the arena in the Indianapolis. This
Speaker 1: is those watching TV. Those numbers, that's a subtle reminder
Speaker 1: of be careful, be careful that you don't kill the
Speaker 1: golden goose. Yes, Paulin, I.
Speaker 3: Know it's apples and oranges and not comparing the two athletes,
Speaker 3: But the past twenty five years, when Tiger Woods would
Speaker 3: not be present for a major, the casual fan skipped
Speaker 3: it and that took a little off the top of
Speaker 3: the numbers. WNBA fans they still watch the WNBA All
Speaker 3: Star Game, but when Tiger would be out for a major,
Speaker 3: it took just a little heat off it and it
Speaker 3: showed up in the ratings.
Speaker 1: Well, you're looking for the casuals sports fan. There were
Speaker 1: fans who watched who weren't golfers when Tiger was Tiger.
Speaker 1: You have basketball fans maybe that begrudgingly watch, but then
Speaker 1: I think when they watched, they realize how talented these
Speaker 1: women are. You just have to get people to watch
Speaker 1: a game. You have to get them to go to
Speaker 1: a game or watch watch the TV. This is you
Speaker 1: know those numbers, that's real. And Caitlin Clark has been
Speaker 1: injured all season long, not able to play. We thought
Speaker 1: that it was going to be a big bonanza playing
Speaker 1: in you know, her town, Indianapolis, But thirty five percent
Speaker 1: ratings down from the previous year. All right, pull question, Seaton,
Speaker 1: what are we going to go with Hour one?
Speaker 4: Let's see if your team could only sign one All
Speaker 4: pro for the same money, just sign a wide receiver
Speaker 4: or a defensive end.
Speaker 1: So do I want Justin Jefferson or Miles Garrett? We
Speaker 1: say that you could say that you could. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take Miles Garrett because I don't think there's that
Speaker 1: many of those guys. I think we have a lot
Speaker 1: of wide receivers. Justin Jefferson is you know, is he
Speaker 1: better than jamar Cha. I mean, we could go down
Speaker 1: the list and say we could group ce d Lamb.
Speaker 1: There's there's wide receivers you can group in there. But
Speaker 1: you know, Miles Garrett, T J. Watt, Michael Parsons, I
Speaker 1: mean that's about it. Nick Bosa, Max Crosby kind of
Speaker 1: in there as well. I'd probably take a guy who
Speaker 1: I know can impact every single play because he has to.
Speaker 1: He's on defense. Where's Justin Jefferson? How many plays Willie influence?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 1: Is he going to take maybe two defenders with him
Speaker 1: and help somebody else? Does that help in the running
Speaker 1: game where the defensive backs are playing back a little
Speaker 1: bit further. I understand all of that, but I think,
Speaker 1: like Aaron Donald, to me, you can make a case
Speaker 1: was the best player in the NFL, most valuable player
Speaker 1: in the NFL. From the standpoint of it, felt like
Speaker 1: impacted every single play one way or another. He was
Speaker 1: going to impact two guys had to block him, and
Speaker 1: he was still going to disrupt the play. We don't
Speaker 1: hand out MVPs to defensive players, but he was one
Speaker 1: of those guys that you had to know where he
Speaker 1: was every single play. Even if you did, he was
Speaker 1: going to be a disruptor. You don't have too many
Speaker 1: of those players. Justin Jefferson is spectacular. But if you
Speaker 1: said I get Jamar Chase and you get Justin Jefferson,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. Miles Garrett, I would probably say
Speaker 1: I'd take him over Justin Jefferson. Let me get a
Speaker 1: couple of phone calls in here, by the way, Andrew
Speaker 1: and Washington, Good morning, Andrew, welcome back.
Speaker 8: Good morning, Dan Dennett. Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 9: It's great to be back. Just had two comments, one
Speaker 9: on Jerry Jones, one on The Rich Eisen Show being
Speaker 9: sore losers. But Jerry Jones He just seems like that
Speaker 9: guy in the neighborhood that wants everybody to know he
Speaker 9: can pay whatever he wants or something, that he's the
Speaker 9: richest man on the block, and no matter what he does,
Speaker 9: he will always end up getting what he wants and
Speaker 9: it doesn't.
Speaker 8: Matter how much they pay for it. But everybody talks
Speaker 8: in the neighborhood behind his back, like, dang, jeredy, why
Speaker 8: are he paying so much for that stuff? I can
Speaker 8: get that stuff no matter what, or I can get
Speaker 8: a better version of it for cheaper. So I just
Speaker 8: kind of see him as that old man that just
Speaker 8: wants to spend his money. Rich Eisen show, I went
Speaker 8: back and watched it again as far as the family feud,
Speaker 8: and yeah, they were icy in the end of game celebration.
Speaker 8: Like you said, Dan, there must have been some talk
Speaker 8: going on because you look at you guys. You guys
Speaker 8: are happy, You want to receive them, you want to
Speaker 8: shake some hands. You guys did it for charity. The
Speaker 8: guys looked a little icy.
Speaker 1: If you go back and watch it, Yeah, well I
Speaker 1: know I felt it. I'm actually jumping up and down
Speaker 1: celebrating with Fritzy and one of Rich's producers. He said, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and he started to talk about they gave
Speaker 1: Fritzy a second chance. You're not supposed to give a
Speaker 1: second chance. I'm like, uh, I'm I'm celebrating here. We're
Speaker 1: jumping up and down. We're on TV right now. How
Speaker 1: bet you act enthused? We're on TV? Faked, faked a
Speaker 1: little bit here, Come on, you're better than that. Lacheryl
Speaker 1: in Georgia, Hila Cheryl.
Speaker 10: Hi five seven and a half and an amazing two
Speaker 10: o nine.
Speaker 1: First.
Speaker 10: First, my condolences to the Osborne as well as the
Speaker 10: Warner families and their huge fan bases.
Speaker 9: Who have lost their loved ones over the weekends.
Speaker 10: My heart and prayer prayers are with them. I am
Speaker 10: calling this morning as well to wish my husband, mister
Speaker 10: Bill Badgett, my name, my name, my man who it
Speaker 10: was a long time hardcore DP show fan, a wonderful
Speaker 10: happy thirty eighth birthday from myself in our two year
Speaker 10: old Harper Rose, Harper, can you tell daddy happy birthday?
Speaker 1: Than alrighty? But how about that, Cheryl? Thank you? That's
Speaker 1: very nice? Was it? Harper Rose? Is that the two
Speaker 1: year old, two year old thing? Very nice? So it's
Speaker 1: a Bill. It's Bill's birthday, Cheryl, Yes, thirty alright, thirty
Speaker 1: eighth birthday. Here we go, Happy birthday. Thank you.
Speaker 10: You're gonna love this.
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Very sweet, very sweet. David in Ohio, Hi David,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 11: Dan?
Speaker 12: H Yeah, figurebacking on what the other caller said, Yeah,
Speaker 12: Rich Island, he seemed to be a little bit salty.
Speaker 8: Uh, but he comes from but the school at.
Speaker 12: Michigan, which is known for cheating and scandal.
Speaker 1: And I just think he's just.
Speaker 12: Hanging out with hanging out with powner Stallions a little
Speaker 12: bit too much. So I think maybe he just needs
Speaker 12: to get off the crazy train. Ozzy Osbourne reference, rest
Speaker 12: in peace.
Speaker 1: Thank you, all right, thank you, David, thank you.
Speaker 4: Yes see, if I'm not mistaken, Rich's quote was, I'm sorry, Dan,
Speaker 4: I can't hear you with the ring in my ear
Speaker 4: after Michigan had won that title and been accused of
Speaker 4: cheating all around that same time. Is that what you're
Speaker 4: saying to Rich right now? Rich, I'm sorry, I can't
Speaker 4: hear you with the ringing in my.
Speaker 1: Celebrity family feud here, Yeah, and and Rich stealing the
Speaker 1: line from Patrick Waugh when he used that with his
Speaker 1: uh his super or Stanley covering. So there's rich but
Speaker 1: you know he's taking from Patrick Wah's line. That couldn't
Speaker 1: hear sampling. I guess is what. I don't know why
Speaker 1: they want to make this a feud, but they seem
Speaker 1: hell bent on. They're basically calling I think Steve Harvey
Speaker 1: a cheater that he helped cheat to help us with
Speaker 1: I think that's what they're saying. My interpreting that correctly,
Speaker 1: because you're saying that somehow, some way Steve Harvey wanted
Speaker 1: us to win. Paul.
Speaker 3: Steve doesn't make the call. Mister Harvey doesn't make the
Speaker 3: call on the set. There's producers back there and who say.
Speaker 1: What to do.
Speaker 3: It was a blip moment where Fritzi had an answer
Speaker 3: that was up there and they said, no, give me another.
Speaker 3: That was the entire thing.
Speaker 1: We go by what they tell us to do. They've
Speaker 1: done that before, correct from what we've been told by
Speaker 1: expert witnesses that they've seen Steve do that before. But cheating.
Speaker 1: I think we took advantage of something maybe, but not
Speaker 1: cheat because we didn't know we did anything wrong. Uh.
Speaker 1: Kenny in Indiana Hi, Kenny, what's on your mind? Good
Speaker 1: morning everybody. Two quick things.
Speaker 11: You know Rich Eisen's group, it's no worse than a
Speaker 11: bad call. It went your way instead of their way.
Speaker 11: Get over it, good grief and it triggute to Ozzy Osbourne,
Speaker 11: you ought to have your crack research team dig up
Speaker 11: his rendition of taking me out of the ball game
Speaker 11: that he sung at Wrigley Field. The poor man didn't
Speaker 11: even remember the words.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one was tough, that one's uh, that's up
Speaker 1: there and seventh inning stretch lore at Wrigley Field. All right,
Speaker 1: we'll take a break, We'll get more phone calls. Adam
Speaker 1: Sandler's going to join us, coming up next hour the
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Speaker 1: important to certain players like Honey Badger Tyron Matthew who
Speaker 1: just retired. You knew him. He was a Heisman finalist.
Speaker 1: He was Honey Badger, the Big Dumper. I mean, cal
Speaker 1: Rawley's playing in Seattle, so not exactly your media capital,
Speaker 1: getting a lot of attention there, but getting a lot
Speaker 1: or more attention because of the nickname. Now he is
Speaker 1: performing well, thirty nine home runs pretty incredible, But you're
Speaker 1: also you have the nickname there. It just helps. I
Speaker 1: wonder about this, like Hoody and the Blowfish, if they
Speaker 1: were just called whatever, you know, throw out a name,
Speaker 1: it just wouldn't be the same. You know, Hoody and
Speaker 1: the Blowfish stood out because you're thinking, all right, is
Speaker 1: Darius Hoody and they're the Blowfish and it's yet it's neither.
Speaker 1: It's really they had two friends in college. One was
Speaker 1: named Hoodie and one was named Blowfish, and they decided
Speaker 1: to call the band that. But if it's just you know,
Speaker 1: four generic guys with a name. Now, they did have
Speaker 1: some hits, but I do think having the name, the
Speaker 1: nickname or band name is really important sometimes because he
Speaker 1: would just be cal Raley. Oh, who's the guy who
Speaker 1: plays in Seattle. He was hitting all the home runs.
Speaker 1: Oh it's the big dumper, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 7: That's like a guy like Frank Thomas. Somebody went to
Speaker 7: high school with somebody named Frank Thomas. But the big hurt.
Speaker 7: The nickname made it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Dion with Prime. I mean, they're just
Speaker 1: certain nicknames. Ali was the greatest. You know, some of
Speaker 1: those people already had the attention. But it's the guys
Speaker 1: who were kind of on the periphery where you go,
Speaker 1: who's the guy, and then you might remember the nickname,
Speaker 1: like Honey Badger. If I said Tyron Matthew retire and
Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh uh, who's that honeybag honey badger retired?
Speaker 1: Yeah he did, Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 3: And good players or semi great players can be emboldened
Speaker 3: by that nickname. If you say, hey, David Ortiz, I
Speaker 3: ran into him. But if you say big Poppy, everyone
Speaker 3: knows a big Poppy is. You barely need to know
Speaker 3: baseball or the big unit. Randy Johnson had a look.
Speaker 3: He was tall, he was wild. But then you throw
Speaker 3: in the big unit or oil can boy. There was
Speaker 3: a pitcher Dennis Boyd for the Red Sox years and
Speaker 3: years ago. Oil Can Boyd was cool and it gave
Speaker 3: him a hook.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't even know what his stats were. I
Speaker 1: just knew that oil Can Boyd because he drank these
Speaker 1: beers that looked like a can of motor oil. I
Speaker 1: think that's how he got his nickname. Yes, Marvin, Yeah, George.
Speaker 7: Ruth, that's not moving me, but Babe Ruth for sure.
Speaker 1: Lou gerrig the iron Man, he was the original iron Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: having that nickname that's helped Cal Rawleigh here now thirty
Speaker 1: nine home runs. Let's see Quinton in Arkansas? Hi, Quinton?
Speaker 1: What's on your mind today. Hey, good morning, Nan five
Speaker 1: nine six.
Speaker 14: Well, I wanted to kind of touch base on the
Speaker 14: Nielsen ratings that you'd mentioned with the Open as well
Speaker 14: as the WNBA. So I'm in the industry, and one
Speaker 14: of the things Nielsen did in the last couple of
Speaker 14: months is they unveiled their new kind of big data
Speaker 14: panel hybrid service where it blends traditional sampling with first
Speaker 14: party data from all these streaming platforms. So, I guess
Speaker 14: I want to propose the question, we've really seen these
Speaker 14: big swings in recent months where every big event is
Speaker 14: setting all these Nielsen ratings, or is it we're just
Speaker 14: getting better at kind of collecting this data with the
Speaker 14: way that we consume sporting events.
Speaker 1: Now, thanks, thank you, Quintin. I think we're better at
Speaker 1: gathering the data. Remember you used to have a Nielsen box.
Speaker 1: You had to kind of log what you watched. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was an inexact science, but there was a lot
Speaker 1: attached to the Nielsen ratings. I think trying to get
Speaker 1: the streaming part of you know, platforms and be able
Speaker 1: to gather that information. But you know, these are sometimes
Speaker 1: the numbers are really good, or you know, a football
Speaker 1: game it's on Amazon, and what's the number going to
Speaker 1: be where you know, traditional media like NBC. But you know,
Speaker 1: we were looking at Scotti Scheffler and that the ratings
Speaker 1: are up, you know, twenty one percent. Uh, Caitlin Clark
Speaker 1: not playing in the WNBA All Star Game, they're down
Speaker 1: thirty five percent. So you can't say, oh, yeah, the
Speaker 1: numbers are getting bigger and better when the WNBA. That's
Speaker 1: a huge drop thirty five percent over the previous year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Paulie, and I think Otani would and is having
Speaker 3: that effect with baseball. He's in the World Series. It
Speaker 3: truly is a World Series, and the casual fan wants
Speaker 3: to see Otani do both this year in the World
Speaker 3: Series because it appears he's going to pitch in the postseason.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, there's only a couple athletes like that.
Speaker 1: There's only been a couple athletes through history where we're
Speaker 1: watching because they're playing Jordan. You watch because he was
Speaker 1: playing Tiger, You watch because he was playing I mean,
Speaker 1: the numbers will you know, prove that bear that out.
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark when she plays, the numbers they bear that out.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's a handful that you have. But
Speaker 1: as far as Nielsen ratings. It was just like an inexact.
Speaker 1: I think we got a Nielsen box one time. Growing up,
Speaker 1: we forgot the law. We didn't write stuff down. We
Speaker 1: had no I don't know. Hey, we watched gun Smoke, Okay,
Speaker 1: write it down. We watched Gilligan's Island. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it did for those ratings. If anything, we probably
Speaker 1: screwed them up. Let's see Billy and Washington. Hi, Billy,
Speaker 1: and how.
Speaker 7: Are we doing?
Speaker 1: Brother? Good?
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Speaker 13: give a quick shout out to my boy seating in
Speaker 13: the back there. Hot Water Music, best band in my lifetime.
Speaker 13: Chuck is the man, and love you guys.
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Speaker 4: And yes, if my team could only sign one all
Speaker 4: pro for the same money, wide receiver or defensive end DNS,
Speaker 4: running away with it seventy nine.
Speaker 1: Percent of that vote. That makes sense. By the way,
Speaker 1: Rich Hill forty five years of age, pitched for the
Speaker 1: Royals last night. Five innings. He gave up six hits,
Speaker 1: one earned run, and his fastest pitch was ninety one
Speaker 1: miles per hour. Forty five years of age. Good for him.
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Speaker 1: at forty five Love it all right. One hour in
Speaker 1: the books on this Wednesday. Two more to go, including
Speaker 1: coming up in thirty minutes from now, Adam Sandler. We'll
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