1 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Hemy Territory Podcast. My 2 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: name is Sean Coleman. Hope, wherever you are and wherever 3 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: you were listening, you have had a wonderful week. Of 4 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: course the playoffs for past the first round of the playoffs, 5 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: plenty to talk about when it comes to baseball in general, 6 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: but unfortunately the Braves. While they're not in the playoffs, 7 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean there isn't plenty to talk about when 8 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 1: it comes to the Braves. Obviously, the news got added 9 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: to this week with the end of Brian Snicker's tenure 10 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: as Braves manager. We'll talk about the latest when it 11 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: comes to the Braves manager position, plus some roster moves 12 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: as the Braves look to clean up their roster, and 13 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: some early off season roster decisions beyond the ones that 14 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: the Braves have arelready made. Dan much more on this 15 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: edition of the Here Territory Podcast. And of course I've 16 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: got one of the best in the business when it 17 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: comes to talking Braves, my podcast partner, Steven Tilbert. Steven 18 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: good as always to have you, sir. I hope you're well. 19 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: What's up, buddy, Yeah, man, Friday night show. We don't 20 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: do many Friday night shows. But obviously off season mode 21 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 2: has begun, and so you know, this might be a 22 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: couple that we do throughout the winter. But yeah, some 23 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: things to talk about. Obviously, the big news happened on 24 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: Wednesday with Brian Snicker stepping down as manager and taking 25 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: a new position in the front office, and we've gotten 26 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: a little, you know, tidbits of news here and there 27 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 2: since then. We kind of the reason we waited till 28 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: Friday to record is we thought Alex and Dappless would 29 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 2: do his end of season press conference, uh, so that 30 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: we could react to that. That's kind of what we 31 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: thought was going to happen today. We had heard behind 32 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: the scenes that it might happen. It did not happen, obviously, 33 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: so that'll be next week. But still some things have 34 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: dropped that we're going to talk about. The Braves didn't 35 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: make a series of roster moves, kind of a one 36 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: big chunk of roster moves that matter. We're gonna talk 37 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: about the nuts and bolts of that. So yeah, just 38 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: kind of in off season mode and and kind of 39 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: find a new manager mode. 40 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you know, the thing that I'll say is 41 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: this is that when it comes to you know, the Braves. 42 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: You know, typically we get the Alex and Thoppoless, you know, 43 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: end of the year presser. You know, it's been in 44 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: the playoffs for many years in a row. This time around, though, 45 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: maybe he's just delayed a bit, just to give Bride Snicker, 46 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: you know, his proper time to you know, everybody. You 47 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: really need to cherish you know, you know, and and 48 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: enjoy Snicker through the weekend, and then next week business 49 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: will pick up, not in terms of roster more roster's 50 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: decisions and you know, off season moves, but just in 51 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: terms of at some point next week, early next week, 52 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: I imagine we'll be able to get more insight from Alex 53 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: and Thoppoless. But let's do talk about what now is 54 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: one of the bigger off season needs for the Braves, 55 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: and that's finding a new manager. You know, we talked 56 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: on Wednesday about you know, several potential names that could 57 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: make Nothing has happened on the front of again probably 58 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: out of respect for Snicker through the weekend, nothing has 59 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: happened yet, at least through reports of the Braves you know, 60 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: showing any type of interest in anybody as of yet. 61 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: But one thing that we do know is that we 62 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: could start scratching, you know, some potential names off the list, 63 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: and one name is Skip Schumacher. Now many had mentioned 64 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: Skip Schumacher as a potential, you know, candidate for the 65 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: Braves opening. I feel that that was much more just 66 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: a general connection with the fact that Skip Schumacher probably 67 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: was the most buzzworthy managerial candidate out there of all 68 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: the potential ones that you know, could potentially be pursued 69 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: by teams in this offseason. But it always seemed like 70 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: when Bruce Bochie was not returning to the Rangers from 71 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: earlier this week, Skip Schumacher forarm manager of the Marlins, 72 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: former manager of the Year now at the Rangers, he 73 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: was the natural pivot for the Rangers. Now, while that 74 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: hasn't been made official yet, it certainly seems like that 75 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: the case. In other words, Skip Schumacher is one significant 76 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: name that you can likely scratch off the list of 77 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: potential candidates for the Braves job. 78 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was the most I think that 79 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: was one of the more unlikely candidates, just because he had, 80 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: you know, he was on the Ranger staff last year. 81 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: He was very much the kind of coach and waiting 82 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: the manager and waiting. You know, Bruce Bochi was almost 83 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: certainly going to move on after this year one way 84 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 2: or the other. So you know, I think I think 85 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: Skip Shoemaker took that job in Texas knowing that he 86 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: would eventually be the manager. I think they even hired 87 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: his old bench coach from Miami. I think his old 88 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: bench coach from Miami was on that staff as well, 89 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: So like, all signs pointed to him taking that job. 90 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: And then one of their beat writers came out today 91 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 2: and said, they're not even looking at external candidates. So 92 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: and if you're not going to look at external candidates 93 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: right now, which is the time to do it, then 94 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 2: that probably means you're not going to at all. So yeah, 95 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 2: you can kind of cross his name off the list. 96 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: There were a couple more that are a little more interesting, 97 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: but Skip always felt like a long shot, And the 98 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 2: news we got today kind of confirms that. 99 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: The thing I was not, I got you, I got you, 100 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: got it, you got it. The thing that I'll say 101 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: is is that, yes, it definitely seems as if the 102 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: idea of Skipped Schumacher being the Braves manager was not, 103 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, really something that seemed likely. But I mean, 104 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: you know again from the national you know, newswriters, they're 105 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: going to look in the way, shape or form to 106 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: take the most buzzworthy name and you know, make their 107 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: story up as much as they possibly can. As a 108 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: matter of fact, as we are recording this, it has 109 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: been made official. Jeff Passan just coming across on x 110 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: announcing that the Texas Rangers have hired Skipp Schumacher as 111 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: their next manager. So it's official. One of the more 112 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: connected names, at least finnational media to the Braves job 113 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: is no longer on the table, so nothing really lost there. 114 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: It's not as if, you know, again, as Steven mentioned, 115 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: this is a big loss because it didn't seem that 116 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: you know, likely to begin with. But I do think 117 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: something else that's worth noting is, you know what coaches, 118 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: and especially those coaches that have been connected with Alex 119 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: and Thoplis's in the past, as they potentially if they 120 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: have current jobs in the majors, as they potentially you know, 121 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: part ways with their current teams, how could they figure 122 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: into the equation. One notable name is John Gibbons. John Gibbons, 123 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: who is a former two time he managed the Toronto 124 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: Blue Jays on two separate occasions, the ladder of which 125 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: was through much of Alexanthopolis's latter part of his time 126 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: with the Toronto Blue Jays. There obviously is a significant 127 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: connection between him and Alex and Thoppolis. Now does that 128 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: mean that I think that John Gibbons immediately becomes he 129 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: John Gibbons was the Mets bench coach, they parted, he 130 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: parted ways with the organization today. Does this mean that 131 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: he moves up to the top of the list as 132 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: one of the most likely candidates for the job, I 133 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: personally don't think so. I think it at least means 134 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: that he'll get an interview, and it could mean that 135 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: as other openings come in the Brays organizations, when it 136 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: comes to scouting, when it comes to coaches, things like that, 137 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: he could take one one of those roles. I don't 138 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: necessarily think that he'll be a serious candidate for the 139 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: managerial role. But Stephen, the reason that I'm mention this 140 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: is because while we're talking about the manager's role, there 141 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: are other spots on this Braves coaching staff, other spots 142 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,559 Speaker 1: in the organization that are likely going to change hands 143 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: as well as the Braves really tried to, you know, 144 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: kind of Redo the organizational focus. Names that can become 145 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: available that have connections with then Thoppless, like Gibbings, it's 146 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: gonna be worth watching those names to see if they 147 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: take on a role with the Braves, even if it's 148 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,239 Speaker 1: not as manager over time. 149 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 150 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: So John Gibbons was the manager for Toronto. Uh he 151 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: was actually I didn't realize this until a couple of 152 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: days ago. He's actually the He actually had two to 153 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: separate stints as the manager for the Blue Jays. 154 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: Uh. 155 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: One in kind of the early two thousands, like two 156 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: thousand and two to two thousand and eight, and then 157 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: he did the stint with Alex and Thoppolass was the 158 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: GM from twenty thirteen to twenty eighteen. I think so 159 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: he obviously out he you know, he and Alex have 160 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: a long working relationship. He's been the Mets bench coach 161 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: for the last three seasons twenty twenty three, twenty twenty 162 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 2: four and twenty twenty five. You know, he's a baseball guy. 163 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: He's been around baseball his whole life. And again he's 164 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: got a prior relationship with Alex. I'm guessing you know, 165 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: he's he kind of stepped down from the Mets job. 166 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: He didn't technically get fired. He kind of said, I'm 167 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: kind of walking away. You never know what's really going 168 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: on behind the scenes there, But like you said, offline, 169 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 2: he might have seen the writing on the wall. But 170 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: I would guess he gets an interview at the very least, again, 171 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: he knows Alex. Alex knows him, he's respected, he's been 172 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: around the game, he's been in the NL East, Like 173 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: he checks a lot of boxes. 174 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna pretend like I, you. 175 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: Know, was watching a ton of Toronto Blue Jays baseball, 176 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: you know, a decade ago. 177 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 3: So I can't tell you a ton about him, but 178 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 3: I would guess he gets an interview. 179 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 2: And I will say this about not hearing a lot 180 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: of news, I imagine this search is gonna go the 181 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: same way that like free agent possibilities go, where we're 182 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: not gonna hear anything. The only time you're gonna hear 183 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: something is when it's done. So I know I wouldn't 184 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: expe a lot of updates at least, you know, like 185 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: out in terms of being reported by national outlets or 186 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 2: beat writers, we might get a snit, you know, some 187 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: little crumb of information. One benefit we have of being 188 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: in this position is we do know people kind of 189 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: behind the scenes. We do have some connections. We hear 190 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: stuff doesn't mean we can always repeat it. We're not 191 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: everything we hear is reportable or we're allowed to say it. 192 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 3: But we hear little things here and there. 193 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: But I would expect a ton of you know, uh, 194 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: you know, some organizations you get to track every move 195 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 2: they make, second by second because everything gets leaked. The 196 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 2: Braves are not like that, and I don't expect the 197 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: manager search to be like that. 198 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: Either, absolutely, And I think that that you know again, 199 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, just something that Alex and Topless puts value 200 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: on it. He feels that that is a leverage move 201 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: and more often than not, I know here recently it 202 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: may not seem that way. More often than not they 203 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: just worked out one other final thought, another you know, 204 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: piece of news that came across to day with Chipper 205 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,599 Speaker 1: Jones actually went on you know, I believe it was 206 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: ninety two nine, the game. You know, he had a 207 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: conversation and of course they brought up the Braves managers opening. 208 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: And it looks as if, you know, chipper stance has 209 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: changed a little bit when it comes to his his 210 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: viewpoint on you know, his pat his potential future in coaching. Now, 211 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: he says his family's okay with him managing. It doesn't 212 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: seem as this if Chipper's stance has changed that much, 213 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like managing maybe in this future. But 214 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: he does think he would make a really good hitting coach. 215 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: That certainly his noteworthy. It's not park Petch to see 216 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: Chipper as a potential hitting coach because we have seen 217 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: plenty of former notable names Hall of famers, you know, 218 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: anywhere from Barry Bonds and Martin McGuire down to John mabray. 219 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: You know, just the many different levels of former Major 220 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: leaguers who have been hitting coaches. So maybe that is 221 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: a role you know, Chipper has had, you know it 222 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,599 Speaker 1: kind of assisted type roles like that in the past. 223 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: I mentioned that because we also saw former Brave Kurt Suzuki, 224 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: who is a special assistant in the Angels organization, which 225 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: we know has a lot of connection with the Braves. 226 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: He interviewed for the Giants opening. So Steven, I'll ask 227 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: you this question. We talked about it on Wednesday. How 228 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: it really seems as if where the Braves are and 229 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: where they're trying to go someone with paths manager's experience 230 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: makes sense, and a former player makes sense. But when 231 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: it comes to alex Athoppolss, you also have these connections 232 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: that really seem to you know, kind of you know, 233 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: he'd loves to bring in former players of his into 234 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: the organization. Do you give any type of value to there? 235 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: We know that there won't be a lot of news 236 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: out there about what potentially could happen. Does that mean 237 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: you could see the Braves going with an outside of 238 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: the common realm of thought option, a former player of 239 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 1: alexanthopolis is who could, despite not having a coaching past, 240 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: be the option board of Braves. 241 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be surprised. 242 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 2: I would be very surprised if alex A went with 243 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 2: somebody who's never managed before and be went with somebody 244 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: who's never managed before and has not ever really been 245 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 2: a coach on any consistent level to be the manager now, 246 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: like with Chipper and that Chipper interview today was very 247 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 2: interesting because he has changed his stance before he's said 248 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: he had always said he is not interested in the 249 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 2: time commitment it takes to be a full time coach, 250 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: Like there was conversation about him being the hitting coach before, 251 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: and he's always said he's not interested in the in 252 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: the time commitment because you got to be with the 253 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 2: team every day for seven months. And today he kind 254 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 2: of changed that. He said his family's good with it. 255 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 2: He would not be interested in being a manager, but 256 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: he would be he thinks he'd be a really good 257 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: hitting coach, and that I perked my ears up at that, 258 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 2: because I know the Braves technically have a hitting coach 259 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 2: right now in Tim Hyers, but not I mean his 260 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: his name is certainly not written in penn And we 261 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 2: have gotten because Alex has not done as in the 262 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: season press conference, we have not gotten any kind of 263 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: statement on like where Alex's mind is that with the 264 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 2: rest of the coaching staff, because obviously the when the 265 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: head guy leaves, you could have turmoil up and down. 266 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 2: So it was definitely notable to me that Chipper went 267 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 2: on radio and very publicly said I would be I'd 268 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 2: be fine being the hitting coach, because that is a 269 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: that is a change of stance from where it was 270 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago when he was asked and 271 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: he said he just wasn't interested in the time commitment. 272 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 2: You know, with a guy like Kurt Zuzuki. I know 273 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: Suzuki is a is a West Coast kind of Barry guy. 274 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: He spent a ton of time with the A's and 275 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: he interviewed with the Giants. I'd be curious to, you know, 276 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: I don't know if if the Braves will bring him in. 277 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: Obviously he has a history with the Braves. He played 278 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: for the Braves. Alex knows him, so it wouldn't stun me. 279 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 2: But again, I would just my personal opinion. I could 280 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 2: be dead wrong about this. 281 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 3: This is just me guessing. 282 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 2: I would be very surprised if the Atlanta Braves hired 283 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 2: their next manager as somebody who's never been a manager before, 284 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: or has never even really worked on coaching staff before, 285 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: even if they played being a coach and then being 286 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: a manager or very different things. And it's just such 287 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 2: an important job. The Braves are in the middle of 288 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: a world Series. This is not a rebuilding team. 289 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. I would be I could be wrong. 290 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 2: I could be dead wrong, but I'd be surprised if 291 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: they went with somebody with zero managerial experience. 292 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: I agree completely. I think that that managerial experience. The 293 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: Braves again needs someone who has proven to be successful 294 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: relating to players, but also adding that value when it 295 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: comes to things we discussed on Wednesday, you know, the 296 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: analytics findset you know, in game decisions, things such as that. 297 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: I think that that those are certainly two big traits 298 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: that you would like to have seen passed success in 299 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: when it comes to a potential higher But speaking of that, 300 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: it's not just to us talking about former braves when 301 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: it comes to then potentially rejoining the organization in different roles. 302 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: We've also got some former braves, plenty of former braves 303 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: in fact, to kind of track as the playoffs continue, 304 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: and that leads us to of course, we do this 305 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: nearly every week, as could we do it every week 306 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: in which we talk about, you know, some options when 307 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: it comes to DraftKings, And specifically, what I'm mentioning is 308 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: that we are sponsored today by the Pick six app 309 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: from DraftKings, the official daily fantasy partner of the NFL. 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But speaking 373 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: of a bit of a humbling news this past week 374 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: as well, you know it wasn't the only significant occurrence 375 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: this week when it came to news for the Braves. 376 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: When it came to Brian Snicker's time as manager. Ending 377 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: There also was the beginning of what can only be 378 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: described as a big roster cleanup coming for the Braves 379 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: right now. The Braves have several decisions that they've got 380 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: to make when it comes to the roster, and it's 381 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: got to be early in the off season because with 382 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: so many potential needs out there, so many potential boxes 383 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: that they need to check to improve, they've got to 384 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: make sure they've got the roster space to do that. 385 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: And because of that, it was actually announced I believe 386 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: it was yesterday. It was announced yesterday that the Braves 387 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: went ahead and made some decisions when it came to 388 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: some notable Braves, but also some names who you know, 389 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: it just made sense, weren't likely to be with the 390 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: club long of course. That's Luke Williams, Jared Kelnick, Alexis Diaz, 391 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: Dame Dunning, and Sandy Leone. Each of those players were 392 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 1: outrighted from the forty man roster and many of them 393 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: selected pre agency. I believe all of them selected free agency. 394 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: But before we get into the most notable name of 395 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: that round of roster moves, I don't think any of 396 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: this is surprising, Steven. It was gonna happen later in 397 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: the offseason. Anyway, it seems like the Braves and these players, 398 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: you know, they didn't really come to the other standing. 399 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: The Braves just went ahead and removed these players from 400 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: the roster because these were names that were just not 401 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: going to figure into the equation moving forward in twenty 402 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: six and beyond. 403 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Braves had so many injuries over the 404 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 2: season that they had to do a lot of patchwork 405 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: roster you know, maneuverability throughout the season. And what that 406 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 2: meant was when we got to the end of the season, 407 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 2: you were gonna have necessary roster moves that have to 408 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 2: take place. Because we've talked about this before, one thing 409 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 2: to keep in mind is the Braves have eleven guys 410 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: who are on the sixty deil who have to be 411 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: added back to the forty man roster once the World 412 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 2: Series is over. Well, you can't add eleven people to 413 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 2: your forty man roster until you clear eleven spots for 414 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: your forty man roster. And when the season ended, the 415 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 2: Braves had a full forty man roster plus an additional 416 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 2: eleven guys on the sixty dil, so they had effectively 417 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 2: fifty one players, So some roster cutting was coming even 418 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 2: before the offseason begins. Just to begin the offseason, a 419 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 2: bunch of roster moves had to happen, and so the 420 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 2: Braves outrighted. They announced they outrighted five guys, outrighted Sande Leone, 421 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: Jared Kelnick, Dane Dunning, Alexis Diaz, and Luke Williams. So 422 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 2: the thing about all those guys is when you outright somebody, 423 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 2: that means you put them on waivers. They went through 424 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 2: the waiver process, they went unclaimed and so the Braves 425 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 2: could option them to goin net. But a number of 426 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 2: those players had more than three years of service time, 427 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 2: which means they could reject the assignment to Triple A 428 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: and just elect free agency and move into free agency, 429 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 2: and most of them did, Like Jared Keelnick is the 430 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 2: big name. He rejected the assignment. He is now a 431 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: free agent. So essentially all these players are now just 432 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 2: off the Braves roster, out of the franchise. The forty 433 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 2: man now sits at thirty five. Again, they were at forty. 434 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 2: They just outrighted five of these guys. And then on 435 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,479 Speaker 2: top of those five position are those five spots opening up. 436 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 2: You're also going to have the three big free agents, 437 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 2: which is Marcelo Zuna, Rossie Iglesias, and Charlie Morton all 438 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 2: come off the roster as well, so that's three more spots. 439 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 2: So effectively the Braves will have, you know, they have 440 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: to put eleven guys back on the roster, and as 441 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 2: of now they've opened up eight spots, so there will 442 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: still have to be more roster cutting coming. There's plenty 443 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 2: of names, you know, guys like Bidel Bruhan, Eli White, 444 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 2: even like Nick Allen. None of those guys have minor 445 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: league options for next year. They might be at risk. 446 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 2: Brett Wisely, Jake Frayley, you know, there's a bunch of 447 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 2: the kind of the fringe pictures the Braves picked up 448 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: along the way. There's plenty of names, so you'll see 449 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: more roster cutting before we even get to the off 450 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: season part of the you know, the moves. The Braids 451 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 2: are gonna have to cut some more roster spots just 452 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 2: to start the offseason, and. 453 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,239 Speaker 1: Before we get further into that, we'll discuss a bit 454 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: more of that in the third segment. I think it's 455 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: also you know, worth noting, not really much to talk 456 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: about because there wasn't much to talk about during his 457 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: time as a Brave. But but Jared Kilinnick, I think 458 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: is worth taking a second to you know, look further 459 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: into because to be honest, he is one of the 460 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: bigger misses of Alexanthopolis's time leading the Braves. Now I 461 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: won't say he's the biggest because you know, I don't 462 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: really think that he was ever that significant of a piece. Unfortunately, 463 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: you know, within you know, the Braves, you know, looking 464 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: to have success, it just was not there for Jared Kelnick. 465 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: I think that talent certainly is not the question. It's 466 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: other things that have to be there for the talent 467 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: to consistently show up. Of course, we know how creative 468 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: the Braves went through, how much money they took on, 469 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: money maneuvering they took on in order to bring in 470 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: Jared Klinick to where they didn't have to pay a 471 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: high prospect price. But it just did not work out. 472 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: You had the June of two thousand and four, he 473 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: stepped up and did really well in the lead off spot. 474 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: After Ronnie went down in twenty twenty four, and then 475 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: after that it just it just was a downward spiral 476 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: for Jared Killernick. This is obviously the right move. I 477 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: think Jared Kelnick will get another shot, but we are 478 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: to the point to where that could be his last 479 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: significant shot if he doesn't take advantage of it. So 480 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: now not thrilled to see that it didn't work out, 481 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: but I do think that it is the right move. 482 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: He simply cut your ties. Perhaps Kelnick can find success elsewhere. 483 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: Wishing the best, but this was the right move. An 484 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: obvious miss, but the right move to move on from Kelnick. 485 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen, the riding was on the wall when 486 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 2: they signed Profar. I mean, they already had a Kunyan 487 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 2: Harris and then they signed a full time outfielder to 488 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: play the same position that Kelnick plays, which is left field. Now, 489 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: Kelnick was always going to get a tryout basically in 490 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 2: the first two months of the year until Akunya came 491 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty five, and he got that opportunity 492 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 2: and he was miserably bad. I mean, you know, he's 493 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 2: not the only reason the Braves offense was so bad 494 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 2: earlier in the year, but like the fact that him, 495 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if people remember, but like 496 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 2: him and Brian Da la Cruz were like full time 497 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 2: outfielders for a minute there, because Profar was on the 498 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 2: suspended list for eighty games and you was out with 499 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: the ACL and so the Braves were starting De la 500 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 2: Cruz and Jared Keelnick for like two months and they 501 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 2: couldn't they couldn't oh and yeah and d go. 502 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, they had a bunch of them. 503 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: He when it comes to Steven Tober, he he's he 504 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: who should not be named. 505 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 506 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 2: And so you know, the running was on the wall 507 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 2: for Kelnick and then he went down to Triple A 508 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: and was somehow even worse, Like he had a worse 509 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 2: year in Triple A than he did with the Braves. 510 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: You know, this year or last year, he had like 511 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 2: a five hundred ohps in Triple A. And so you know, 512 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: the Braves were going to owe him like three million 513 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 2: dollars if they tendered him a contract. 514 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 3: There was not a chance. 515 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 2: Even if he didn't elect free agency in this process, 516 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: he would have been non tendered at some point in 517 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 2: the off season. So this was always going to end 518 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 2: with Jared Kelnick being off the roster. And yeah, I 519 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: mean he's at a cross. I mean he might I 520 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: don't even know if he'll get a minor league deal 521 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 2: and he might be hit. 522 00:25:58,359 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he might be in. 523 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 2: Like Korea or in the Mexican League, or you know, 524 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: he might have to go somewhere else for a couple 525 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 2: of years and figure out how much he wants to 526 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 2: play baseball. There are all sorts of reports about him 527 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 2: like not really giving it his all in Triple A. 528 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 2: We never confirmed any of that. I don't know how 529 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 2: truly it is, but it's just stuff. We heard that 530 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: he was very disinterested in being there, and his numbers 531 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 2: certainly reflected it. 532 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 3: So yeah, it didn't work. The Braves spent a pretty 533 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 3: good chunk. 534 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 2: Of change about twenty about eighteen twenty million dollars and 535 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 2: all the dead money and all the contracts they took 536 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 2: on to get him. They didn't pay any prospects, thankfully, 537 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 2: it was just money, but for that one season that 538 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: they took him on, it was a big chunk of 539 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 2: their available money, so it wasn't just completely free. And so, yeah, 540 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: this has been one of Alex's kind of more notable 541 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 2: big misses and it's gonna happen. But yeah, he I mean, 542 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 2: he crashed and burned. There's no other way to say it. 543 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 3: He was terrible. 544 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: Still got a lot of talent, but you never saw 545 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: it because he was he just played horribly, couldn't hit, 546 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 2: couldn't get on base, striking out like thirty five percent 547 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 2: of the time. 548 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 3: It's just a disaster. So yeah, the Braves were always 549 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 3: going to move on. 550 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And you know that's that's the thing that 551 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: stands out is that, you know, the Braves are kind 552 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: of noted. Again, as we mentioned plenty of times on 553 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: this podcast, they have a good track record for you know, 554 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: as Kevin Pilar you know last week mentioned just because 555 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: it's just a great atmosphere to come that you want 556 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: to succeed in. If you can't do it here, I'm 557 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: not saying it can't be done elsewhere. But with the 558 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: Brace track record of being able to to you know, 559 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: have especially position players perform better here than they had 560 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: in previous stops, you know, in recent times in their career, 561 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: it kind of stands out when they can't unlock the 562 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: potential in a player. So which kelenk All the best. 563 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: But again, it was the right decision for the Braves. 564 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: But speaking of decisions, this is just the first round 565 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: of decisions that are going to be made when we 566 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: come back, I want to talk with Stephen about some 567 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: important decisions when it comes to which guy do you 568 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: want to go with? To feel this needed area of depth, 569 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: because the brains are going to have to make some 570 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: decisions on some similar type players of the roster to 571 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: bring back all of their injured players in the coming weeks. 572 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 1: More than that, in just a moment, after another word 573 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: from our partners. 574 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 5: Okay, aj our slab pack ripping continues. Now you just 575 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 5: ripped a card that I think you're. 576 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: Actually going to keep. I am. I'm going to keep it. 577 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 6: It's a Ken Griffy Junior Rookie card. The old is 578 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 6: the famous Upper Deck one I believe it is. And yeah, 579 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 6: heck ye, I'm gonna keep it because I'm gonna get 580 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 6: Griffy to sign it. I'm gonna get them to send 581 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 6: it to me. What you can do, and I'm gonna 582 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 6: get Griffy to sign it. And it's only gonna make 583 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 6: it worth more. So I am all in on this card. 584 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: I'm keeping it. 585 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 6: And it is one of the coolest cars with the 586 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 6: highest turtle neck you've ever seen and the gold chain 587 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 6: around his neck. 588 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 5: Graded nine, nineteen eighty nine Upper Deck you got the 589 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 5: offer for one seventy nine, it's valued at around one 590 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 5: ninety nine, and you're like, nah, I'm keeping it, but 591 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 5: if you want it to sell it back instantly, you can. 592 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 5: It's the beauty of Arena Club. AJ's going to send 593 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 5: in and get the physical card sent to him and 594 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 5: you can do the same. Twenty percent off your first 595 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 5: slab pack or card purchase can happen for you if 596 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 5: you go to Arena club dot com slash foul and 597 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 5: use the code foul. 598 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: So, Stephen, as we talked about, when it comes to 599 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: the Braves again, they have a forty man roster. Five 600 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: players have been taken away, but that means that right 601 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: now there are still yes, there's five open spots, but 602 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: for forty men roster, you still got forty six players 603 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: to account for. And let's go through these names real 604 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: quickly that are on the sixty daio because Stephen correct 605 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Even if a name that I 606 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: mentioned that's on the sixty daio will miss a significant 607 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: to all part of next season, they can't be on 608 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: the sixty day io in the offseason. They have to 609 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: be on the forty man roster. So let's go through 610 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: these names. Joehman is, Austin Riley of Ozzie Alby's, Aaron Bummer, 611 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: Das Boll Hernandez Grant Holmes, Ornando Lopez, Spencer Schwellenbach, A J. Smith, Shaver, 612 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: Sean Murphy, and Austin Riley. Now, none of them are 613 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: going anywhere. Obviously, all eleven of those players are going 614 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: to be back on the roster. So let's continue to 615 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: make these decisions. Let's continue to identify how these roster 616 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: spots are going to become open, because that's going to 617 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: define some of the bigger storylines for the Braves in 618 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: the off season. Now, the first thing that stands out 619 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: is that you're naturally going to have two or three 620 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: spots come open when it comes to free agents, right, 621 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: so hele Iglesias, Marcelo Azuna. That gets you to eight spots. 622 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: We'll have all off season to discuss which one of 623 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,239 Speaker 1: those players could potentially come back to the Braves if 624 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: they are resigned. But Stephen, that's one obvious way in 625 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: which the Braves can clear more spots here in the 626 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: near future. 627 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 2: Yep, So you got eleven guys, and like Shawn just said, 628 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 2: there's no sixty day in the off season. So anybody 629 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: who's on your roster has to be on your forty 630 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 2: man roster for the entirety of the off season. And 631 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 2: then I think the sixty dil opens back up like 632 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 2: the first week of spring training, and then you could 633 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 2: put guys back on and then you can open those 634 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 2: forty man spots back up, but for the entirety of 635 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 2: the off season, those players have to be on your 636 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 2: forty man roster. So that's why the Braves cleared five 637 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 2: spots a couple of days ago. Again, they will clear 638 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 2: three more spots when Charlie Morton, Marcelo Zuna, and Rossio 639 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 2: Iglesias hit free agency once the World Series ends, so 640 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 2: that's eight spots, so that still leaves three more spots. 641 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 2: They got a clear just to get the eleven guys 642 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 2: back on from the sixty to al. Now again, they 643 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 2: have plenty of options, you know, Nick Allen, we'll see 644 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 2: what happens. They did pick up Brett Wisely from the Giants, 645 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 2: who can play shortstop. So right now they have Nick Allen, 646 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: Viidel Bruhan, they have Brett Wae, and they have Hasan Kim. 647 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 2: Now if Hassan Kim opts out of his player option, 648 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 2: then obviously he gets removed from the forty men because 649 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 2: he will be a free agent, not on the Breads 650 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 2: roster anymore, so that would kind of clear a spot. 651 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 2: Now the Brigs are hoping that doesn't happen. Of course, 652 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 2: they would much rather have him on the roster if 653 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 2: he does. 654 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 3: If he if he. 655 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 2: Declines his player option, or if he if he picks 656 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 2: up his player option and is on the roster next year, 657 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: then that means you would have Kim, Nick Allen, Videl Bruhan, 658 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 2: and Brett Wisely all on the forty man roster. I 659 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 2: don't think you would, and of course Ozzi Albi's and 660 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 2: Nacho Alvarez as well. That's six six middle infielders on 661 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 2: the forty man roster. That's probably too many. If Hassan 662 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 2: Kim accepts his player option and is on the team 663 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 2: next year, Brett Wisely has minor league options, I'm guessing 664 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 2: he stays, but Nick Allen and Vitel Bruhan both do 665 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: not have minor league options, So one, if not both 666 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 2: of those guys would certainly be on the line for 667 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 2: being released non tendered whatever, you know. When the Braves 668 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 2: need these spots. Do not be surprised at all if 669 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 2: it's one of those guys again on the on the 670 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 2: outfield side, you've got, you know, Jake. 671 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 3: The Braves have Jake Frayley. He is technically on the 672 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 3: sixtydil right now. They can just bring him back. 673 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 2: They can also just non tender him if they don't 674 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 2: think he's gonna be if the Braves want to upgrade 675 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 2: outfield and that's something that you and I and Scott 676 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 2: and Brad have all talked about about maybe using the 677 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 2: DH spot on an outfielder, like a starting outfielder, and 678 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 2: then you can have basically four starting outfielders and just 679 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 2: let them. 680 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 3: Rotate the DH. 681 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 2: If that's the plan the Braves are interested in doing with, 682 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 2: you can justify just non tendering Jake Frayley because you're 683 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 2: already gonna have four high profile outfielders, and then you 684 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 2: could have, you know, a guy like Eli White be 685 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 2: your fifth outfielder. 686 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 3: You don't you probably don't need a guy as good as. 687 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 2: Jake Freyley to be your fifth outfielder, so certainly a 688 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 2: guy like Jake Freyley. There's a guy named Carlos Rodriguez 689 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 2: who's still on the forty man roster certainly could be 690 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 2: bumped off. There's a catcher they picked up Briesly named CHUCKI. Robinson. 691 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 2: I'm sure he's a good player. He could get bumped 692 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 2: off and he and then there's always pitchers. I mean, 693 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 2: there's I'll just go through it real quick, Nathan Wiles, 694 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:27,240 Speaker 2: Joey Wentz, Jose Suarez, Hunter Stratton, Joel Pay, Jumps, Roaldi Munos, 695 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 2: Alex Manoah, yeah, that's probably I mean, even like a 696 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 2: guy like Bryce Elder, Austin Cox. 697 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 3: We'll see what happens with those guys. 698 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 2: But like just go reading through those names. All those 699 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 2: names on the are currently on the forty man roster. 700 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 2: So there are plenty of places the Braves can go 701 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 2: to cut off some dead weight here if they once 702 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 2: they need these spots. But they're just gonna have to 703 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 2: do it. It is a you know, it is a 704 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 2: administrative part of the offseason. They are gonna have to 705 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 2: cut at least three more guys off the roster just 706 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 2: to get all of these sixty d al guys back. 707 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,479 Speaker 3: And then that's before you even get. 708 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 2: Into you know, if they want to add some if 709 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 2: they want to sign a free agent, if they want 710 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 2: to make a trade, they're going to have to cut 711 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 2: more guys off the forty man roster because there is 712 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 2: no sixty dil in the off season. All these guys 713 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 2: have to be on the forty man for the entirety 714 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 2: of the off season. 715 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: Well, and that's the important part of it, because you know, 716 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: you went through all these names and their significant right 717 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: because a lot of these names, you know you've got 718 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 1: two or three candidates to fill important roles for the Braves. 719 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: Outfield depth, you know, infield depth, you know, reliever depth, 720 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 1: rotation depth. And the big key is is that you know, 721 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: we don't necessarily know for sure to what extent we're 722 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: hoping the Braves are going to be, you know, more 723 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: aggressive when it comes to spending, But you also have 724 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: to certainly think that they're going to be you know, 725 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: conscientious of wanting to get good value from cheap sources. 726 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: So making the right decisions to give you depth in 727 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: those are is are what's going to be important. But 728 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: with that being said, like you mentioned who has minor 729 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: league options and who does not, that will play into 730 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: the factor who potentially is already into arbitration and could 731 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: be offered more money you know, we saw the Braves 732 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: make some you know, pretty eye opening decisions, you know, 733 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: which seemed to be based off money last year. That 734 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: could be what opens up these roster spots. So minor 735 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: league options, how much are you owed, things such as that, 736 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: the versatility that you offer from your position, those type 737 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: of things really come into play and they're going to 738 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: matter as the Braves continue to trim their roster to 739 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: bring on players that you know are going to be 740 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: with the Braves next year. 741 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and remember a couple of years ago, the Braves 742 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 2: had kind of a forty man roster crunch and we 743 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 2: saw the Aaron Barmber trade where they traded four guys 744 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 2: who are all on the forty men, who all were 745 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 2: kind of dead weight to them at the time, and 746 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 2: did a four for one and they went from four 747 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 2: guys on the forty man they didn't need to one 748 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 2: guy on the forty man that they wanted. So you 749 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 2: can always do that as well. You can you can 750 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,359 Speaker 2: trade guys. You know, a guy like Aaron Bummer who 751 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 2: is currently on the sixty al if teams are comfortable 752 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 2: that he's healthy, you know that it would not surprise 753 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 2: anybody if the Braves attempted to move him. 754 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,280 Speaker 3: You know, there's there's. 755 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,919 Speaker 2: Plenty of ways to open up spots, and there's plenty 756 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 2: of The Brais have plenty of dead weight on their 757 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 2: roster that they could cut at any time, and nobody 758 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 2: would bat at eye players that most fans have never 759 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 2: heard of. So it's not like it's some impossible task, 760 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 2: but it's just it is part of the off season. 761 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 2: They do actually have to cut more players just to fit. 762 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 2: I mean, had to have eleven guys on the sixty 763 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 2: sixty deil when you get to the end of the 764 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 2: season is pretty nuts. I'm not sure if I've ever 765 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 2: seen I certainly have never seen that with the Braves. 766 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever seen that. 767 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 3: With any roster. 768 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 2: That's just an insane amount of guys on the sixty 769 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 2: day and so it's an unusual situation the Braves find 770 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 2: themselves in where they they're gonna have to make up 771 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 2: a substantial amount of cuts even before the off season begins, 772 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 2: just to just to get all their sixty day il 773 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 2: guys back on the forty man. 774 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: So just the just on the track. 775 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 3: Something to watch you. 776 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 2: We will get some roster news, you know, in the 777 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 2: next week or so, and certainly by before the World 778 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 2: Series ends, or at least you know, five days after 779 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 2: the World Series ends. 780 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,760 Speaker 3: To get this offseason started, just to get the roster where. 781 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: It needs to be, absolutely and it's gonna be really 782 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: interesting to see what that looks like. Again, we're not 783 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,919 Speaker 1: we're not even talking about you know, we're just talking 784 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 1: about the Braves bringing back their players that we know 785 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna be on the roster. We haven't even gotten 786 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: into opening up spots on the roster from potential offseason editions. 787 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 1: So from on many different levels in terms of many 788 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: different you know, you know, minor moves to major moves 789 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: that could really you know, look to make the Brace 790 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: future as awesome as it can be. We're in for it. 791 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: What we hope is a very busy off season. I 792 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: know we said that last year and it was a 793 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: bit dull, a bit disappointing. This year, though, I think 794 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,320 Speaker 1: there's a better chance we'll really see you know a 795 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: lot of rock and Roland when it comes to you know, 796 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: filling out the Braves roster and hopefully a roster that 797 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: will be in a significantly better position to contend moving forward. 798 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 1: Steven anything else from yous. We wrap up this edition 799 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: to the Hammer Territory Podcast. 800 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 3: Yes, uh, we always forget to plug it. 801 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 2: But we do have a merch shop. 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That is 821 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: all from us tonight. Again. Nothing major, nothing roundbreaking or 822 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: anything like that. We hope that there's plenty of that 823 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: as the off season goes along, but it's important to 824 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: lay out what steps have to be taken first to 825 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: make the space for those moves we all hope are 826 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: coming as the offseason continues. You can find Steven Tolbert 827 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: at be under Square Outliers on Twitter slash cks. My 828 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,240 Speaker 1: name is Sean Coman. You can find me at Stat's 829 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: sec Hammer Territory across all forms of social media. Foul 830 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: Territory Across all forms of social media. Hammer Territory part 831 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: of the Foul Territory family of podcasts. Can't thank you 832 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: enough for joining us and as always the support. Enjoy 833 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: the divisional round of the playoffs next week. Me and 834 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: Steven may give our picks when it comes to after 835 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: we have a bit more knowledge. We're going to cheat 836 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 1: a little bit after we have a bit more knowledge 837 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: of how the playoffs are going. Until next time, Go Braes. 838 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you agatting soon here on the Hammer 839 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 1: Territory podcast