WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: Jerrod Carmichael Clarifies 'Slave-Play' Joke, Tyler The Creator Relationship, Dave Chappelle + More 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:05.360 Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning. 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:09.080 Everybody is DJ en Vy Jess hilarious, Charlamage the guy. 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.160 We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:13.840 in the building. Yes, indeed we have draw called Michael. 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:17.000 I'll be doing your voice in the showers more than 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:24.000 everybody's DJ. Like, think about you. Yeah, yeah, you know what. 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.560 Let's lean into all the gay. Sometimes when I'm naked, 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:31.600 I think about DJA. Yes, yes, yes, yes, happy to 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.720 see you. Happy to see you, bro. So I'm always 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:37.919 happy when people come right after donkey of today. Oh 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:40.680 my god, let me tell you something. I was responding 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.320 to you like Monique, like I was in my house 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:49.240 just pacing around. Just be like Leonard your mother said 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.559 about giving me. No, let's talk about that. So there's 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:54.600 a couple of things I want to make clear about that. 0:00:54.640 --> 0:01:00.120 But let's shot off for people that don't know you. 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.760 People will see the ship. It'll be the video right 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:05.280 up next to me in the first coat with the 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:09.399 ear rings here today. Whatever. So how you doing first? 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.760 We'll get to that lady. No, No, you got some 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:13.640 ship to settle first. 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:18.960 Okay, So Charlamaine gave you donkey to day gave me donkey. 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:20.800 No, no, I'm gonna get into it. Okay. So first 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:22.720 of all, because the thing I want to clear up 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:24.959 and is very very important if people got a short 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:26.840 attention span, I want to make sure that they hear 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:30.959 this part first, because you report it on you You 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:33.720 played a clip of my stand up, but it started 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:37.480 at the punchline, and it like completely erased the setup 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:40.200 of it. And I really don't like that. It made 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.840 it seem like I was talking like I'm into some 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:47.520 type of race sexual slavery role play with my boyfriend, 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.280 which is untrue. It's so false, and I expect that 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.680 type of thing from TMZ because they have no humanity. 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.000 They don't care about the people that get hurt when 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:56.760 they report these sort of things. But you were a friend, 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.000 so I really didn't like that, Like, like I know, 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.600 you repeated it in the Neil interview. I didn't like 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.480 that that that was very very unfair. It was a joke. 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.480 But yeah, but I need you to watch the show 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.000 and anybody who watches the show, it's not what I said. 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.119 It is so false, it's so untrue, and I don't 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.480 like that because it's like, no, well, we'll get into 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:19.840 that later. Uh, it has nothing to do with my boyfriend. 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.519 It has nothing like the sex that we have. It 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:24.440 has nothing to do with sex. It's something that like 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:26.839 people have been reporting on and I really really don't 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.440 like it. It's about my boyfriend reading so much he 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.800 makes me feel insecure about my level of reading. And look, 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:34.680 I get it. It Like it's something that people have 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.880 been running with because one because I have a white boyfriend, 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.600 so like people like try and create some type of 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.560 crazy story out of that, like, and it's a small 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.040 group of people really like I read all the tweets 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.440 and it's like some gay black men and some klu 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:51.600 Klux clan members who don't like that I have a 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:55.440 white boyfriend. They agree on that, so congratulations, like the 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:58.840 Klan and doctor Lumar and you know, some people find 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.800 some common ground on that. But he's a human being. 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:07.080 He deserves respect. I deserve respect. I don't appreciate things 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.200 being misreported or like said about them in that way. 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.480 It's completely false. So I don't like that. I just 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.639 want to make that clear. That's that's not something. I 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.359 know you were just reading the news, but like you're 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:20.560 a friend, and I want you to like actually have 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:23.440 nuance with these stories like, look, I'm a human being 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.720 and like people are, people can get hurt. They're actually 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:28.760 real lives at stake with the things that you say, 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.799 and look, come after me, that's fine, but don't come 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:36.440 after like my my boyfriend. Well, I'm saying when that's 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.000 in the headline and that's reported like and then misreported 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.600 like oh he's into race slave play with his white boyfriend, 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:44.960 I don't like that headline because it's false. It is 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.119 not true at all. Now on to Dave Chappelle. 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:49.560 No, I want to stay to the joke, though in 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.119 context the joke still not a good joke. 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.880 That's on you comedy for a while. I got. 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.040 I got because you're still saying you're a slave. 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:02.160 No slave math is teaching you know, Listen, I'm talking 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.200 about my own personal insecurity. I'm an educated person. I'm 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.920 usually the smartest person in the room. He reads so 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.080 much it makes me feel like, oh do I even 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:11.960 know how to read? That joke works if I had 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.680 a black boyfriend, my boyfriend were black, that joke actually 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:15.200 works better. 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.440 And you the slave and the white person is the slave. 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:20.960 Listen, if you and you're from North Carolina, where you 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.360 know the first anti literacy laws were created in North 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:25.320 and soud Caline. You are sure, sure, but that's not 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.240 my roles comedian to started getting into like like literacy 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.680 laws and stuff like that. You completely lost that I 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.400 evoked provocative imagery sometimes in my jokes. Some people are 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:36.760 very sensitive to that. That's your right. You don't have 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:38.680 to laugh at that. You could like hear the word 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:42.760 slavery and completely shut off. That's completely fine, But don't 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.599 misconstrue what I said and don't like make it into 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.640 something that is not, because that's where I start to 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:52.440 get offended. I don't know that that the statement like 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.520 you said it like multiple times on the show, like, oh, 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.800 he's into slave role play with his white boyfriend. That's untrue. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:00.760 I said it like that. 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:05.880 I think I've said Charlemagne, that is not the joke. 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:09.039 The joke's about me reading the jokes about my insecurity, 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:12.760 about like not being as well read when I be 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.520 in bed next to him and he's on. When I'm 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:18.360 in bed next to him and he's like on his 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:20.640 third novel of the month, I'll be watching breakfast club 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:24.400 interviews and I feel like, oh, I should read more. 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:26.479 That's what the joke is. The joke it has nothing 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:28.479 to do with sex, has nothing to do with the 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.240 type of sex that we have. And that's just absolutely false. 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.400 But still not a good joke when you're black and hey, listen, 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:36.080 that's on you. It's on you. 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.560 You do stand up and you figure it out for me, 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:43.400 the crowds laugh whatever. I'll say this about if the 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:43.760 crowd is. 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.040 The majority white, are they laughing with you? Are at you? 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.040 You know, it's fun. I'm actually I'm actually shocked. It's 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:50.000 like a pretty decent amount of black people coming out 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.080 to see you. I really appreciate y'all for coming out. 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:53.760 I want y'all to keep coming out too. I like 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:58.760 I like the seeing it really especially black women are 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:00.560 like in the crowd. They've been like talking to me. 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.240 They seem invested in my life, and it makes me 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.840 feel really really special. So I really like that and 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:06.919 I appreciate that. Now, I want to move on to 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:08.760 the Dave Chappelle portion of it, because I've heard you 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:13.239 comment on that too. I deeply regret ever saying anything 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.640 about Dave Chappelle to the press. I want to say 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:20.000 that I'm sorry for that, because one I'm a huge. 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.920 Dave Chappelle Dave Chappelle fan. I love Dave like. I 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.240 think he's brilliant. I think he's a bright light in 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.680 a dying industry. I think he's more important now than 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.559 ever before, because, like comedians are now just posting clips 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:33.920 that him doing crowd work online and calling it art 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.120 and it's not right. Dave Chappelle is an artist. He's 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.000 one of the few artists that we have, and I 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.360 care deeply about the work that he makes. With that said, 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:43.480 the criticism that I had had nothing to do with 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.120 the morality of the joke, had nothing to do with 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.320 the ethics of the joke. That's something that's also been misreported. 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:53.159 The criticism I had was that of a fan, someone 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.000 who respects him so much that I want him to 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.680 focus his genius on a wide range of topics. I 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.240 think like it started, but it started being really really 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.760 focused on one thing. Well, I'll say this. Look, that's 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:08.839 like I'm saying that about the slave yoall I'll say. 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:12.560 I'll say this. I'm also a big fan of jay Z. 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:16.040 If jay Z made three albums about trans people, I'd 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:17.760 be like, Hey, what's going on with jay? But jay 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:19.920 Z made three albums more than three albums about selling drugs. 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:21.680 You don't you just don't put him in that. Uh, 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:23.880 you don't pigeonhole them with dead no they jay Z. 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.200 I mean, listen, I would love to get to a 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.320 jay Z argument. Jay Z was very personal, very emotional. 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:32.400 He always evolved. Four four four was incredible because it 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.880 showed growth and evolution and something you've never seen before 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.680 and rap, And that's a thing with comedy too. Comedy 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.920 doesn't grow, Comedy doesn't evolve, It's it's kind of stunted 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.200 like rap, and like we just started getting like real braggadocious, 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.720 like antagonistic with the crowd, and it can evolve, like 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.320 and we need smart people like Dave, like Chris Rock, 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.640 like myself to actually evolve the art form because it 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:58.440 is dying. It's so so important for people to go 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:02.440 up and do deep personal stories or have a deep 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.840 perspective about things going on in the world because it's 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:09.600 not happening but you see it online. Yeah, I know, Listen, 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.040 all I'm saying is And because I've talked about Dave 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.400 a lot, I don't want to talk about Dave anymore. 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.400 I honestly I called him an eagle manac, I'm a 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.200 eago maniac. I'm here to talk about me. I have 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.960 a show that I want to talk about, talk about. Yeah, yeah, 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.000 I know you know what. And I'll tell you honestly, 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.120 from now on, any thoughts I have for Dave will 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.520 be directed in a phone call to day. I'll never 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.520 do it again. I'll never I I do apologize for that, 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.679 Like I'm man enough to say that, I that is wrong. 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.760 I don't. I don't need it. I don't want the attention. 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.360 It's going on way too long, don't want it at all. 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:45.600 I'm here to talk about me. Did it change after 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.160 you got I guess taken out of context after this slave? 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.720 Because it never changed. No, it never changed. It had 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:54.240 like it had nothing to do with that. Like I 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:58.000 I think that again with the press, the same thing, TMZ. 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.440 It's funny because that's the thing that happened, Like, you know, 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.360 I get asked about Dave or Cosby or something like that. 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.800 Like it is almost like the press and like you know, 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:09.520 they want to perpetuate it. Beat well, it's just like, hey, 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:11.560 like what's going on with you? When this other black 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:13.840 man like John Laney don't get asked about Jerry Seinfeld 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.679 the way I get asked about other black comedians like that. 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:20.079 That's just like I don't like that either. These are 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.679 like there are few artists in this art form. There 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.800 are so few artists people actually doing art, people that 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:30.120 not doing podcasts, not doing like crowd work videos online, 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:33.280 people that are actually doing the art. He's one of 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.520 the few. I have a deep respect for him. And 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.319 that's that's all I'll say. And let's hope TMZ reports 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:42.480 everything I just said, because like I'm saying, yeah, I 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:45.920 apologize to myself for making like making this whole thing 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:49.240 get out of proportion, like I should never said anything again. 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.280 I really want to talk about me. That's what I'm 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.120 here for to talked about myself. 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:53.640 Seanaman. 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:55.000 He said he was upset because he could sider you 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.080 guys friends and that you went off the rail without 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:57.760 having a conversation. 0:09:57.800 --> 0:09:59.439 Did you watch the show? Did you? I texted you 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:01.800 last night? You watch it? You've been watching it? Did 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:03.600 you watch the next episode? No? 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.120 I watched the first four, the first three. 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.320 You're gonna love the next episode. So respond to what 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:11.160 he said, because you know he considered you guys friends 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:16.840 and my friend. I want you to apologize. 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:18.760 But if you feel the way, I think that Charlamagne 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:19.960 should apologize him as well. 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:24.600 I don't feel like I want to apologize, don't you. 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:30.480 Well i'm talking about person. Would you want me to 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:32.679 give you one of these half assed bullshit industry? But 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:34.640 I don't feel like I need to apologize. I think 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:36.760 I made myself clear. I have no need for an 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.640 apology if it and I'm like, you know what, that 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.400 was wrong? But in the moment, well, I'll wait for 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.360 that when I'm in the shower thinking about d J. 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:50.440 And I know that's anyway I want you to. I 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.360 want you to watch this next episode because this next 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:55.040 week I'm gonna road trip with my dad to devilin, 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.280 South Carolina, where he's from. That's where he was your 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:02.240 Monk's corner. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. No. The 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:04.800 episode is really good because I have a conversation with 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:06.920 him and I say things that I was afraid to say, 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:07.360 and this. 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:08.040 Is the reality. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:15.320 Yea yeah, but just shooting at everybody I wanted. 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.360 I wanted to be said in the comment section that 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.160 I came with love. I came with candles and flowers 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.040 and love. That's right. Yeah, just come on, like just 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.480 I need you. I do have one more question about that, though, Like, 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:30.160 do you think a comedian should ever call another comedian 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.839 offensive or implied to another comedian is being offensive because 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.200 you could easily offend. I'll say comedians can do whatever 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.160 they want. I don't want to be a comedian who 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.800 speaks about other comedians. I make art that I like. 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:43.319 I make things that I want the world to see. 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:47.040 I focus all my energy and attention on myself and 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.240 my art and my work, and that's what I want 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.800 to be known for. And I don't care. I'm not 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:56.360 on Twitter talking about other comedians. I'm knowing podcasts like 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:58.600 I mean, you know me, I don't talk about anything 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:00.760 but myself like that. That's why I'm upset that the 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.280 whole thing got blown out of proportion because I don't 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.319 talk about anything other than myself. I'm I'm so focused 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.040 on my own work. I think it's important. I think 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.360 people should see it, and that's why I'm here. Okay. 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.320 Now, you also talk about black women being super supportive 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:17.160 when you first came out, but also being mad at 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:17.920 you at the same time. 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.120 Oh, because I got a white boyfriend. Yeah, you know, 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.280 it's It's funny they met my boyfriend. They love him 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.280 like my boyfriend. My boyfriend is actually he's so real. 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:29.880 That's part of the reason, like that any lie about 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:31.839 him makes me upset because he's so he's so real. 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:36.680 My homegirl ivery loves Mike. Mike doesn't engage in small talk. 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.640 That's the thing that I actually am trying to learn because. 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:42.000 Like I can my next book, why small talk sucks. 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.040 Hey, there we go. You got to meet my boyfriend, 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:46.880 and like he doesn't do it at all. If you 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.239 talk to him about the weather, he'll just be quiet. 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:51.000 And I'm trying to learn that. Like I'd be out 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.560 in the world just lying to people just like, oh, no, 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:55.560 good shirt, just like I have a lot of good 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:58.520 shirt conversations. It's all. It's all. I got to stop 0:12:58.520 --> 0:12:59.280 doing that. I don't like that. 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.280 How does he feel when you because you talk about 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:02.720 your life on the reality show? How does you feel 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:06.120 when you talk about your sexcapage or even your conversation 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:08.160 with Tyler to createor how does it make him feel? 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:09.720 Funny do you have conversation before? 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.720 Yeah, he knows all of it. I mean it's funny 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:19.160 because our relationship began. I started shooting the reality show, 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:23.120 and then our relationship began. So he like he came 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:24.800 in at a time when I'm dealing with a lot 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.000 of things, and the show is just about me, like 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:31.320 me trying to explore all these deep things about myself 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:35.679 and being in therapy, trying to work through problems, like 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.400 trying to trying to like I'm exposing it's the most 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.760 vulnerable show of all time. Like you've never seen a 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:43.760 show more vulnerable than this? 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:45.679 Did he make you more comfortable with that? 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:48.520 He makes me more uncomfortable life. But I think I'm 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:50.840 a better person because my boyfriend. I feel so much 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.840 calmer now. Like I'm a person that had a lot 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:55.880 of anxiety, and you could see it even in the 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.400 first episode. You could see like it's me trying to 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.400 get all my anxiety out. I think that's why the 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.720 audience feels that way. They feel a little awkward, because 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.560 that's that's how I felt. I think it transmutes into 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.319 the art form. I was somebody that was just like 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:13.920 constantly scared, constantly nervous, afraid of how I would be perceived, 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:17.160 Afraid of like you know, like coming in masculine environments 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.920 as a gay man, Like just terrified all the time, 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.160 afraid of the kind of sex I was having. I 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:23.760 was I was thinking about that because people have been 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.480 talking about like I put like a foot in my 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.480 mouth in the in the first episode, people call people yeah, 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:31.800 you know, and I want to also want to set 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.960 the records right. He was Guatemalan. People say it's white toes. 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.000 He was Guatemalan. Maybe that doesn't matter to some people, 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.560 but it's like I told the tone, I've had some 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:43.000 black peet my mouth too. I was afraid of the 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:44.480 type of sex I was having. I thought it was 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:48.720 dirty and so wrong, and like I used to get 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.800 like HIV tests once a week because I thought I 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:55.320 was like I was having like dirty forbidden like god 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.960 forbidden sex, and I was like I viewed myself negatively 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:02.920 and the gay man that normal. No, no, that that 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:03.640 level of shame. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:05.080 I'm talking about getting the HIV test. 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.800 Yeah. But and I'll say this, but that's that's also 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.280 the you know, actually an actual fact more straight people 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.680 get HIV now than gay men, like because straight people 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.880 don't check on themselves as much as gay men on 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.800 sexual health because you have to be and like like 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.160 you know that that's the thing that was actually psychological 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.680 that was me thinking that God was punishing me because 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.040 something I was doing was so wrong and that is 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.920 a horrible thing to live with. And people gay, straight, whatever, 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.440 have a lot of sexual shame. They're afraid of things. 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:39.920 So I was doing things like on camera to liberate myself, 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.440 like it was important for me to like eradicate that shame, 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:44.680 Like I put a foot, I put a foot in 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:46.720 my mouth for y'all. A lot of people don't think 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:48.720 you're really gay, though, and they think that you just 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:50.240 put the foot in your mouth to kind of prove 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:51.200 that you get And it was like if he was 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.440 really gay, you the stuff they dig on camp, right, 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.680 I mean, you know, only fans coming soon, I guess. 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.640 You know. There's a lot of silly things. There are 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.239 people who get that news from Twitter. They're crazy. 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:06.480 What did you meet your boyfriend? What did you mean? 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:07.840 How did you We met? Thro a mutual friend. We 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.440 met years ago in l A and then and we 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:14.920 started dating. Uh uh, it's been a year and a 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:15.440 half now. 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.480 It wasn't scene when you were I'm sorry the thing 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:19.040 with Tyler? 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.520 Yeah, yeah, Just how are you doing. I'm good? How 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.120 you been I'm good? I look, hey, can I say 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:27.160 I'm so proud of you, and I don't mean that 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.800 in the condescending way, because people sometimes use pride like 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:31.920 like I'm proud of you, like I'm above you. I'm 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.440 so proud of you. I love you very very much. 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:37.560 You don't try to disarmor. 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:43.880 She's I'm can you tell to see me and listen 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:45.280 showed up. 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:47.800 Showed up by wiz camera in the green room, like 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.080 years and years ago when I first started doing comedy. 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:51.960 London, when London kicked him outcau. 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:52.640 She didn't know who he was. 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.160 I didn't know who he wasn't he He was just 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.640 like okay, I'll leave him, Like no, wait, this is 0:16:57.720 --> 0:16:58.720 jer She was. 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:03.000 Like, oh guy, yeah, no no. And I've been a 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:05.400 fan of yours, like for for a very long time. 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:10.320 We worked on time I gave just a TV. I 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.000 saw I saw that she was a star, like you know, 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:14.560 like look at me trying to take credit for how 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.159 you was the one who got her own row what 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.560 you're talking about. I saw my sister's Instagram. It was like, 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:24.520 she's a star. She's incredible, She's a star. I was 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.199 like like her, like I was, I was. I was 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.959 in Dana Walden office and Fox like demanding, demanding they 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.040 put you on the air because you and rightfully so 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:36.440 like I don't need it out. Yeah yeah, listen, give 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:38.720 her all credit to whatever you know. I'm like little Richard, 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:42.240 I get overlooked for all types of ship anyway. No, 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.159 You're incredible and I'm really really happy for you. 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:47.280 I appreciate you. 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:47.919 Know what I mean. I love you. 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:50.239 Told us I was like, we need to get him 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:51.159 up here so we can talk about it. 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.280 I wanted to come to the New space and come 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:53.879 when you were here. 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.399 Yes, So I wanted to ask you about you and 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.000 Tyler because y'all are actually really friends. Yeah right, yeah 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.480 with that like for fun or did you really really 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:03.800 have romantic feelings for Tyler? 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:05.679 Yeah? I did. I was in turmoil over that for 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:07.679 a year, and that's a hard thing to deal with. 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.359 Of course, is like I've seen people online talk about 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.639 as awkward as cringe. Yeah. Yeah, having feelings for your 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:17.080 best friend is very awkward, very very cringe. I'm thankful 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:21.000 that he did it because I've never seen a conversation 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.800 like that played out on television or in any space, 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:26.880 and I thought it was really really important. I've never 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.240 like I've never seen like a black man expressed feelings 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.920 for another black man like that ever before. And I'm 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.360 trying to make art that I wish i'd seen as 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.000 a kid. I'm trying to make things and put things 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.719 out there that I needed, and so it was really important. 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:44.600