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Speaker 1: in a Welcome to another edition of the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Podcast presented by Sirius XM. My name is Dan Hansis.
Speaker 1: I'm joined in room that's filled with heroes, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: Chris Wessling, and Greg Rose. Though what is up? Boys? Hey? Dan?
Speaker 1: Very impressed by the range of fashion choices in the
Speaker 1: room today. Uh Dan wearing a Dan sort of shirt.
Speaker 1: Me wearing a shirt that I've watched I don't know
Speaker 1: the show probably five hundred times, and it's very fabulous looking.
Speaker 1: Let's let's focus on the fancy boys. West has the
Speaker 1: Lakisha makeover I had fashioned before I met my wife. Okay,
Speaker 1: hold on different, now you look different now. Not only
Speaker 1: did I buy this jacket myself, I bought it, one
Speaker 1: of our podcast listeners got it for me in Minneapolis.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's legal. And and Greg
Speaker 1: sear sucker now now, yeah, sear sucker. And there's a
Speaker 1: reason why, because Wes and Greg went on the Rich
Speaker 1: Eisen Show. Rich was kind enough to have you guys on,
Speaker 1: and Mark and I will be joining Rich before kickoff
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. Uh, to do an appearance
Speaker 1: as well, and it sounds like it went really well, Greg,
Speaker 1: But you making a bold decision to wear Sear Sucker
Speaker 1: on national television. Let's take into that a little bit. Well,
Speaker 1: how bold is it? I thought that I would be
Speaker 1: disrespecting my father in law who got me this jacket
Speaker 1: when when I was visiting my family in Tokyo over
Speaker 1: the summer, if I didn't break it out on the
Speaker 1: Rich Eyes and show what better place to to use
Speaker 1: it for the first time. Well, it's the first thing
Speaker 1: I noticed when I got to the office today when
Speaker 1: I got to the newsroom. And guess what, I wasn't
Speaker 1: the only one who noticed. And in case you're wondering, Uh,
Speaker 1: he's in fact wearing a Sear Sucker sport coat. Hero
Speaker 1: I noticed. I just said the same thing. Now material
Speaker 1: if he's gonna buy me to better place to wear
Speaker 1: it first? And how do you guys really listen to
Speaker 1: our podcast by the way, and just listen to the
Speaker 1: sound of your own voice? I hate I rarely do.
Speaker 1: I've never gotten over that. I like your voice. I
Speaker 1: can't deal with it. Um. Sorry, So good job my
Speaker 1: one question with the Rich Eyes and set up YouTube
Speaker 1: going now or is it? Do you think internally this
Speaker 1: does that program? You guys has an appetize with Dan
Speaker 1: and I have been the main course we go down with.
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna They left us the choice of
Speaker 1: however we wanted. People don't need to know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do believe that's the case. But do notice right
Speaker 1: your guys are appearing on Kick on the day the
Speaker 1: NFL season starts. That's that's a more high profile day.
Speaker 1: I mean today they were having anyone anyway. Daniel Jeremiah
Speaker 1: was on the show. So they're just collecting people off
Speaker 1: the street. Um. Anyway, So Greg, keep an eye on
Speaker 1: Greg's fashion choices. As this season goes on, you'll see
Speaker 1: Greg occasionally in the NFL network, perhaps different digital shows
Speaker 1: that we have. Um, Greg's fashion getting more and more
Speaker 1: quirkier as he gets older. And I'm that as a compliment.
Speaker 1: You're you're you're looking to get outside the box. And
Speaker 1: it's very clear to me, Well, the only way to
Speaker 1: do fashion is to make it your own, right, That's
Speaker 1: what he's doing. Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm not even
Speaker 1: like that was a good I I I know that
Speaker 1: West cannot stand the concept that he would not have
Speaker 1: reached this same place fashion wise without like he should.
Speaker 1: But I do wonder where you would be from a
Speaker 1: closed horse perspective she had not come into your life.
Speaker 1: That is misrepresenting what I've said about the case. Her
Speaker 1: influence has been tremendous, But usually when you guys pick
Speaker 1: out an outfit, it's something that I chose or I
Speaker 1: did love marks reaction there West like throughout a Wessean
Speaker 1: philosophy on fashion, and it's like that's how we're here.
Speaker 1: Now Where at the point now in society where West
Speaker 1: has philosophy on fashion? Well, Iver saw that coming. I'm
Speaker 1: not even exaggerating. You're right, West, you have to is it?
Speaker 1: Is it what you like? But the second thing I
Speaker 1: think about is what is Dan gonna say not good
Speaker 1: joking on the podcast or in the office, Like that's
Speaker 1: who I'm thinking I am. That's okay, A lot to
Speaker 1: get to today, all right, because we are now inside
Speaker 1: three weeks before the start of the regular season. Uh
Speaker 1: so we're really starting to ramp it up, um and
Speaker 1: coming up on today's show, we will have our takeaways.
Speaker 1: On Friday show, we talked about some takeaways from the
Speaker 1: Thursday preseason games we'll share some more from the rest
Speaker 1: of the games that we're played on Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Speaker 1: There's even one more today. I know everybody will be
Speaker 1: tuned into that. UM. And also we have oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Charlie casser the Great Chaz Casserly is gonna join us
Speaker 1: UH to talk a bunch of things, including the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys and their contract situations, his take on what we've
Speaker 1: seen from the rookie quarterbacks, and also Uh west like you,
Speaker 1: he has some real concerns about the past interference role.
Speaker 1: So I think, um, every announcer in the NFL is
Speaker 1: concerned about the passengers, concerned and confused. All right, Reggy,
Speaker 1: let's do it what we're hearing presented by serious extent.
Speaker 1: Let's do some news. Nick would the Eagles different fools?
Speaker 1: The worst thing that Eagles could have ever done? Twenty buddy,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Nick Foles is gonna come and hunt
Speaker 1: the Eagles leader during during the future. Now put me
Speaker 1: on another pocket, please. Who was that Chris Weston? That
Speaker 1: was the man running the food truck at a concert
Speaker 1: that Keisha and I went to over the weekend. He
Speaker 1: recognized me, He said, do I know you from somewhere
Speaker 1: and I asked him if he was an NFL fan,
Speaker 1: and he we got around too. He listens to the podcast,
Speaker 1: so I asked him to give me his thoughts on
Speaker 1: the Eagles, and that's what we got. The take is
Speaker 1: that Nick Foles will punish the Eagles for generations to come.
Speaker 1: He thinks the Eagles did Nick Foles wrong by not
Speaker 1: keeping him as the number one quarterback. M I disagree,
Speaker 1: but you know that's fine. What's fun about football? Well,
Speaker 1: as you can see, he's very passion it. Um. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get to the news. Oh boy. You know, we
Speaker 1: thought that perhaps the worst was over um for the
Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders and a drama with Antonio Brown. By the
Speaker 1: end of the last week, he was back at the
Speaker 1: Raiders facility and we were hearing positive reports about the
Speaker 1: frost bitten feet and there seemed to be perhaps some
Speaker 1: movement in the positive direction on the helmet issue, which
Speaker 1: has been vexing for Raiders. Brass um. But guess what,
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown disappeared again heading into this weekend. He did,
Speaker 1: I should say, he did reappear on Monday, and we
Speaker 1: can get to that Monday today. But over the weekend
Speaker 1: he was gone again, and Mike Mayock, the GM of
Speaker 1: the Raiders, who I imagine has been biting his tongue
Speaker 1: this entire time, decided he needed to make some type
Speaker 1: of move. He needed to make some type of statement.
Speaker 1: He needed to start taking control of this situation, which
Speaker 1: had to be a tough decision because it's a volatile situation.
Speaker 1: Here's what Mike may said to a small group of
Speaker 1: reporters yesterday Sunday. You all know that A B is
Speaker 1: not here today, right. So here's the bottom line. He's
Speaker 1: upset about the helmet issue. We have supported that. We
Speaker 1: appreciate that, okay, but we've at this point, we've pretty
Speaker 1: much exhausted all avenues of relief. So from our perspective,
Speaker 1: it's time for him to be all in. We're all out, okay,
Speaker 1: So we're hoping he's back soon. We got eighty nine
Speaker 1: guys busting their tails. We are really excited about where
Speaker 1: this franchise is going, and we hope AB is gonna
Speaker 1: be a big part of it, starting Week one against Denver.
Speaker 1: End of story, No question, Greg, mm hmm. I enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: I thought it was Mike Mack as you said, just
Speaker 1: someone's gotta let Antonio Brown no, um, what's what? And
Speaker 1: the clearest way to do that is through social media.
Speaker 1: I think that's what Antonio Brown responded to. So I
Speaker 1: just thought it was and I'm not the first person
Speaker 1: to make this point that it was telling. The Raiders
Speaker 1: put that out on their Twitter account immediately, like they
Speaker 1: he made that statement, and then they made sure that
Speaker 1: everyone possible could see it. In concluding Antonio Brown, who
Speaker 1: has been going a little wild on his social media
Speaker 1: the last few days and over the weekend, and Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown returned to work Monday, maybe the story is over. Well,
Speaker 1: training camp isn't just to get your body in shape
Speaker 1: for the season. It's too instill what Mayok was talking
Speaker 1: about all in. It's it's all these guys getting together
Speaker 1: and being all in as a team. And it's hard
Speaker 1: to do that when you have eighty nine guys in
Speaker 1: one place and one guy in the other place. And
Speaker 1: I thought the tenor of the coach and GM so
Speaker 1: far has been they've tried to support Antonio Brown verbally
Speaker 1: and and you know, on hard knocks the best they can,
Speaker 1: but behind the scenes it has to just be ripping
Speaker 1: Mayak apart. And it's embarrassing and the city, and it
Speaker 1: feels like you have to take control of this situation somehow,
Speaker 1: and that his comments were extremely strong. I thought it
Speaker 1: was telling. Last week John Gruden and we talked about this,
Speaker 1: that he he went out of his way not to
Speaker 1: be involved, not to say anything inflammatory, to try to
Speaker 1: keep this thing as under controls he could possibly do.
Speaker 1: And I think what happened with Mayak here is they
Speaker 1: reached the point as an organization where they had to
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know if roll the dice is
Speaker 1: the right word, but had to put that out there,
Speaker 1: knowing full well it could create a volcanic situation because
Speaker 1: Brown is so temperamental and so um you know, he's
Speaker 1: it's hard to figure out where he's coming from next.
Speaker 1: But they had to do because this is this has
Speaker 1: become Greg ridiculous. That's that's it. I mean. And the
Speaker 1: Braiders are trying to get together for a season starting
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks and their best players still
Speaker 1: pulling this helmet stuff and it is selfish and it's
Speaker 1: the reason why the Steelers are lucky to have him gone.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Well, I think all the information Mike Silver
Speaker 1: put out on his Twitter account two weeks ago really
Speaker 1: informs the Mayac statement because if it was just the
Speaker 1: helmet and everything else had been hunky dory over the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. That's one thing. The helmet issues
Speaker 1: just bizarre. I mean, they he had literally used the
Speaker 1: exact it wasn't just like the type of helmet. Rich
Speaker 1: Eisen went through, um the entire scenario on his show
Speaker 1: to start out today, and he had talked to someone
Speaker 1: at the league office. It was literally he's played with
Speaker 1: one helmet the whole time, like the exact same helmet
Speaker 1: hadn't been made in over ten years, like not even produced.
Speaker 1: And they went in and they tested that one helmet
Speaker 1: and you know, didn't didn't pass didn't pass the test,
Speaker 1: and they don't make that helmet anymore. So they're trying
Speaker 1: to like find one that's similar ish or what. But
Speaker 1: it's it's just kind of a it's kind of a
Speaker 1: crazy hill to die on. Some of you know, I
Speaker 1: Eisen had strong comments too, and so of others on
Speaker 1: the transformation of this player's personality and we don't know
Speaker 1: enough to to really comment, but that when he came
Speaker 1: into the league with a good sort of chip on
Speaker 1: his shoulder because he did not feel he was drafted
Speaker 1: as high and should have been, and got the recognition
Speaker 1: that he was the hardest worker, that he would he
Speaker 1: would study relentlessly, that his practice habits were pristine, that
Speaker 1: he would hit the gym after players had gone home
Speaker 1: every night. That's completely different from a preparation angle than
Speaker 1: what we're getting right now. To your point West, that
Speaker 1: he's not mentally engaged with the rest of his teammates.
Speaker 1: He's invested. Like he's as invested as any wide receiver
Speaker 1: I've seen since Jerry Rice. He's maniacal about his work
Speaker 1: ethic and working hard and trying to find advantages. And
Speaker 1: I think when you're that invested, it probably intensifies feelings
Speaker 1: a lot more than other people. Like I don't want
Speaker 1: to sound kind ofcending, and it's really not where this
Speaker 1: is coming from, but part of my reaction to this
Speaker 1: was just like, is Antonio Brown okay? Is anyone thinking
Speaker 1: about that? Like? Is c O right? I think people
Speaker 1: are thinking about it, but I don't know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: just yeah, they they don't know where he's coming from.
Speaker 1: It's just I think a lot of pits can feeling
Speaker 1: and and and they wonder that, especially from the outside,
Speaker 1: just because it does not seem like the behavior a
Speaker 1: guy that has everything in a good place mentally, but man,
Speaker 1: what a mess. And remember Hard Knocks Tuesday Night on HBO.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. Other Wide Receiver News Wide Receiver. Josh
Speaker 1: Gordon is back with the New England Patriot. In New
Speaker 1: England Patriots, the NFL announced that they are conditionally reinstating
Speaker 1: the veteran following his indefinite suspension, and Roger Goodell released
Speaker 1: a statement. Goodell and Gordon have formed a positive relationship
Speaker 1: over the years during they spent like hundreds of hours together.
Speaker 1: Gordon's on again, off again um issues with the league
Speaker 1: and substance abuse, but goodellsa, we are rooting for Josh
Speaker 1: to succeed both personally and professionally. This is a little
Speaker 1: bit of a surprise West that Gordon was able to
Speaker 1: get cleared as quickly as he did. Perhaps his relationship
Speaker 1: with Goodell plays a role it, but we don't know
Speaker 1: what we're gonna get from Josh. Gordy still twenty eight.
Speaker 1: He made a big impact for them last year before disappearing.
Speaker 1: Um down the wormhole of substance abuse suspension, UH How
Speaker 1: big is this for the Patriots? It's huge considering their
Speaker 1: wide receiver corps and and all the questions they have there.
Speaker 1: And I think you asked the same question about Josh
Speaker 1: Gordon as you ask about the guy we just talked about,
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown, And for a different reason, you ask how
Speaker 1: long will it last? Is this just for a few weeks?
Speaker 1: Is it for the whole season? Last year, we thought
Speaker 1: he was gonna be there all season when he came back,
Speaker 1: and then late in the season that bomb drops on
Speaker 1: the Patriots. You don't have a guy who was trending
Speaker 1: towards your biggest playmaker at wide receiver. I mean, it
Speaker 1: seems like they maybe they knew more than we did,
Speaker 1: but their preparation going into the year to me seemed
Speaker 1: like they had no idea of Gordon would be back,
Speaker 1: and they prepared around it. And you know, now you
Speaker 1: look at you get you have Julian Edelman, you have
Speaker 1: Josh Gordon. Potentially Jacobe Myers has become one of the
Speaker 1: stories of Patriots camp, so that all the drama and
Speaker 1: the and ringing over New England's wide receiver room is
Speaker 1: starting to look like it's not going to be that
Speaker 1: big of a team. Philip dor I think is a
Speaker 1: nice role player as as a three or four, which
Speaker 1: is what he'll be. Now you have your first round
Speaker 1: pick to kill Harry. I think the receiver position is
Speaker 1: the last of Belichicks concern. This is a team that
Speaker 1: started Kenbrell Thompkins and Aaron Dobson for ten games in
Speaker 1: a twelve and fourth season, or started Jabar Gaffing in
Speaker 1: Rochelle Caldwell in an an f C championship. So this
Speaker 1: they had Gronk for a lot of all those years
Speaker 1: they did, but they also have James White and like
Speaker 1: Kevin Falk had those years where it's like Kevin Falk
Speaker 1: was just around forever, but every like four or five
Speaker 1: years he would just catch seventy five passes because they
Speaker 1: need him to. And to me, that's James White this
Speaker 1: year and Sony Michelle's reportedly looked pretty good. They got
Speaker 1: enough past I mean, assuming that Edelman is ready for
Speaker 1: week one, where we at that is that still one?
Speaker 1: He suited up for practice. Tea just return for the
Speaker 1: first time today, so it looks like he's trending that way.
Speaker 1: Who is and I'm wardered may not be ready for
Speaker 1: Week one though I'm not assuming that, but yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, they have more depth than perhaps people realize,
Speaker 1: but I'm still not blown away by the group. I'm
Speaker 1: curious who's the odd man out because I've heard, um,
Speaker 1: you know, Hosanna's sung over Maurice Harris. Of course, joudgob
Speaker 1: Myers Dorset, as we said, the rookie Harry to Mary's Thomas.
Speaker 1: I assume is in trouble now. He has not been activated,
Speaker 1: and might I thought would be he'll be stashed on
Speaker 1: the P of P list and see if they need
Speaker 1: him midway through the season. And yeah, Maurice Harris might
Speaker 1: be more of a special teamer, but he he's heard
Speaker 1: right now too, could be on the bubble. Why would
Speaker 1: you leave like a seventeen hundred yard wide receiver. All
Speaker 1: I said was he's gonna have a nice Actually there
Speaker 1: is no bubble. There's no such what's a bubble. I
Speaker 1: think he makes the team. They keeps saying what did
Speaker 1: wide receivers? But that was pre Gordon, but I'm standing
Speaker 1: by it. Um, let's shoot down to Washington and talk
Speaker 1: about the Redskins, um, who have some quarterback decisions to make.
Speaker 1: Jake Ruden does Colt McCoy, who suffered that broken leg
Speaker 1: last year. Uh, it seemed like one of those injuries
Speaker 1: where he'll be fine the next year. But now it's
Speaker 1: a situation where McCoy might not be ready until two
Speaker 1: to three weeks into the season. Gruden conceded um, according
Speaker 1: to ESPN dot Com. And then you have the case
Speaker 1: of Dwayne Haskins, the first round rookie versus the veteran
Speaker 1: case Keenum Keenum. Uh. ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that this
Speaker 1: is trending towards Keenam now mark Sessler as the starter. Uh.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense to you based on what we've
Speaker 1: seen so far from Haskins. Yeah, I mean I I've
Speaker 1: seen good, good stuff from Haskins and he to me,
Speaker 1: I like his armies also not looked completely comfortable. Um.
Speaker 1: And they that left tackle situation, like Adrian Peterson mentioned,
Speaker 1: has I think toyed with all these quarterbacks. But on
Speaker 1: Colt McCoy, you know, he he has the faith of
Speaker 1: of Gruden, and I think this is probably the closest
Speaker 1: shot he had to starting a Week one game, uh,
Speaker 1: in many many years and maybe ever again. And what's
Speaker 1: happened with when that when he first broke his leg.
Speaker 1: They initially thought, if I'm not mistaken, that he could
Speaker 1: even back last season and in play at the end
Speaker 1: of the year. He tried to, tried to, and then
Speaker 1: it turns into this really rough situation with three additional surgeries,
Speaker 1: and he's even visiting Dr. Robert Anderson, who has no
Speaker 1: idea what's going on with the leg either. So this
Speaker 1: can end to a career it's been. It's hard not
Speaker 1: to think about Trent Williams being upset at the medical
Speaker 1: staff in Washington when you hear that he's had to
Speaker 1: have three follow up surgeries. Although Jake Gruden's kind of
Speaker 1: put it on Colt McCoy trying to get back too soon.
Speaker 1: You feel bad for him. But this is a mess.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is going as whatever they envisioned for
Speaker 1: their three way battle wherever they had it in their head.
Speaker 1: I think they're fairly close to a worst case scenario.
Speaker 1: Although Haskins looking I think solid is you know, the
Speaker 1: one positive you had, you know, a beautiful touchdown pass
Speaker 1: in his last preseason game. And I think that Gruden
Speaker 1: this goes back to we're talking the hot butt rankings
Speaker 1: on Friday. He has to walk a very fine line
Speaker 1: where Gruden has to. He's charged with developing Haskins and
Speaker 1: getting behind the rookie, which makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: He's a US around pick, but he's also gotta win
Speaker 1: games to have any chance to keep his job, so
Speaker 1: you can understand why Keena might be a more appetizing
Speaker 1: choice at this time. UH. So, good luck to you,
Speaker 1: j Gruden. Moving on, the Philadelphia Eagles have added another
Speaker 1: quarterback to their room, and it is Josh McCown who
Speaker 1: comes out of retirement. The forty year old to spent
Speaker 1: the last couple of seasons with the Jets. UH joins
Speaker 1: the Eagles a team that's dealing with injuries behind Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz Nate Sudfeld. He has a broken wrist to his
Speaker 1: non throwing arm. Cody Kessler exited their second preseason game
Speaker 1: UH and went into concussion protocol. Clayton Thorson was the
Speaker 1: only guy left to finish the last game. So now
Speaker 1: you bring back Josh McCown. Um greg As a jetsman,
Speaker 1: I could tell you that there has been no shortage
Speaker 1: of thoughtful and entertaining, slash enlightening think pieces about what
Speaker 1: a great man and teammate Josh McCown is, but I
Speaker 1: will tell you he got to a decent amount of
Speaker 1: action in the last two years of the Jets. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he could play anymore. In fact, I
Speaker 1: don't think he could play really at all. Um, And
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm surprised that this was the move that
Speaker 1: the Eagles made. Well, when you have Coody Kesler as
Speaker 1: your backup for now, I think you just look at
Speaker 1: McCown as someone who would be great to help out
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. So they said this in New York too.
Speaker 1: He's practically just like an extra QB coming. So I
Speaker 1: think that's the idea. You know, he's got a TV future,
Speaker 1: but I see him as potential NFL head coach down
Speaker 1: the road. So he's the backup. He's the backup for
Speaker 1: now until you know, maybe when Sudfeldt gets healthy. They
Speaker 1: like sudfeld But it's like when you have if Kessler
Speaker 1: is gonna be your backup and he's got a concussion anyways, like, well,
Speaker 1: why you're not winning any game? Your Kessler's gonna be
Speaker 1: a problem anyways, Kessler and Clayton Thorston are gone. That's
Speaker 1: my read. You in this situation and you guys know,
Speaker 1: I've been a McCown fan. He was cooked last year.
Speaker 1: He was done. He was better in though would let him.
Speaker 1: Last year was problematic, but he wasn't not anymore. And
Speaker 1: I think Sudfeld should be back by the end of
Speaker 1: septem They really like Sudfelt too. I think he'll be
Speaker 1: the number two. And maybe they keep Josh McCown just
Speaker 1: to play that like player coach roll or whatever. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, not to keep going back to this. Well,
Speaker 1: but it's an r P O offense. Colin Kaepernick doesn't
Speaker 1: get a look with this team. Who does he got
Speaker 1: to look with a good question. I thought about that,
Speaker 1: you know, because you know, as vocally progressive an owner
Speaker 1: as there is in the NFL and as vocally progressive
Speaker 1: a team locker room as there is. So you're right,
Speaker 1: if he wouldn't get a sniff in this spot, it's
Speaker 1: not it's probably not gonna happen. Uh, let's move on.
Speaker 1: They Tampa Bay Buccaneers made a move with Jason light There.
Speaker 1: General manager UH Mike Garret Folo reported Saturday that the
Speaker 1: Bucks signed their GM to a five year extension. Through
Speaker 1: This deal has actually worked out in January, UH, just
Speaker 1: after Tampa UH named Bruce Arians their new head coach,
Speaker 1: so they wanted to line the GM and the head coach. UH.
Speaker 1: This one surprises me a little bit, Greg because what
Speaker 1: a exactly has Jason Light done to deserves a strong word.
Speaker 1: So let's just say to get a new contract extension
Speaker 1: in Tampa. This is one of the biggest most surprising
Speaker 1: news items of the entire month for me. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's probably a bad sign if you need to Saturday
Speaker 1: afternoon news dump your GM getting a contract, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like you're I honestly think that, like
Speaker 1: they honestly think that was the strategy here was they
Speaker 1: didn't want it to get too much attention. It seems
Speaker 1: like they ownership likes that Light helped bring Arians in
Speaker 1: because of their past relationship. But what is the rush here?
Speaker 1: I get the aligning that that makes sense and that
Speaker 1: they But let's find out a year in how well
Speaker 1: they worked together, and Jason Light's record is twenty seven
Speaker 1: and fifty three. With a couple concerning traff picks in there.
Speaker 1: You spent a second round round a kicker that is
Speaker 1: working at a fast food restaurant right now and on
Speaker 1: top of it, Like, I'm not totally sold on Jamis
Speaker 1: Winston on any level. Which fast food restaurant both, No,
Speaker 1: I'll I'll research that. I'm not sure which one he's
Speaker 1: been there with you. I always think their roster looks
Speaker 1: better than their record, but that record pretty spot. I
Speaker 1: think he's gotten a lot of good media publicity for
Speaker 1: building a talented roster, which you could argue for against
Speaker 1: now that's quarterback. But I think that I affect I
Speaker 1: think that affects ownership in some way. That's a vote
Speaker 1: for playing the media game. I do. Just a real
Speaker 1: news impact from this though, is I think Jameis Winston
Speaker 1: has a much better chance of getting a long term
Speaker 1: deal now, just because Lights the one that drafted him,
Speaker 1: and if if he had a clean, solid year, which
Speaker 1: is a huge if it basically it almost never happens
Speaker 1: for the Bucks but or Winston, but if that happened
Speaker 1: this year, I think they'll resign him. Uh injury news,
Speaker 1: the Seahawks are counting on DK Metcalf to have an
Speaker 1: instant impact for them at wide receiver, the second round
Speaker 1: pick who had been getting raves from everyone inside the
Speaker 1: building about his progress. The submer well that progress has
Speaker 1: been halted by a knee injury suffered it in practice
Speaker 1: last week late last week, and he'll be undergoing a surgery.
Speaker 1: That's Pete Carroll intimated that it wasn't a major surgery,
Speaker 1: was something that will kind of not keep him off
Speaker 1: the off the field for too long, maybe a scope
Speaker 1: who knows, but the idea that he won't miss too
Speaker 1: much action. But Mark, anytime a rookie wide receiver gets
Speaker 1: taken out of the mix when he's trying to get
Speaker 1: those valuable reps and playing time, it's not a good thing,
Speaker 1: especially in Seattle. Whether they really need metcalfe, they I mean,
Speaker 1: they're wide out group. We you know, we talked about
Speaker 1: New England's I and I'd be equally concerned about Seattles.
Speaker 1: And I know that they want to run the ball
Speaker 1: until you know, endlessly. But Jaron Brown, David More, I
Speaker 1: like David Moore, But who is your true game changing
Speaker 1: wide out here? I don't know that Tyler Lockett's good,
Speaker 1: but I don't to me when you look at the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: this is a perfect example why schedule analysis is mostly useful.
Speaker 1: It's when you play a team and just like last September,
Speaker 1: you want to play the Seahawks earlier in the year.
Speaker 1: Really sad news out of Austin, Texas over the weekend.
Speaker 1: Former NFL running back uh Cedric Benson died in a
Speaker 1: motorcycle cycle crash. He was thirty six years old. Benson
Speaker 1: and a passenger collided with a car at an intersection,
Speaker 1: and Benson and the passenger, UH, we're pronounced dead at
Speaker 1: the scene. Benson came into the league as a high
Speaker 1: draft pick with the Chicago Bears. It never worked out
Speaker 1: in Chicago. In fact um it was as about as
Speaker 1: poor as it can go for a guy that was
Speaker 1: as high as a draft pick as Benson was. But
Speaker 1: he ended up bouncing around the league and hanging around
Speaker 1: for for a while, including a stop west with your
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals where he had a trio one thousand yard seasons.
Speaker 1: I remember him having a big playoff game against the
Speaker 1: Jets one year. So he had some moments maybe didn't
Speaker 1: live up to uh what was expect did of him
Speaker 1: when he was drafted in the top five. But Uh
Speaker 1: Cedric Uh Benson had a lot of people that thought
Speaker 1: highly of him. Aaron Rodgers to name one of them,
Speaker 1: who played briefly with Benson. Um said he used to
Speaker 1: sit with Benson uh during training camp and during the
Speaker 1: season at a cafeteria table and talk about you know, life, sports, anything.
Speaker 1: He was one of those guys you could um really
Speaker 1: talk about anything with. So really sad to hear that
Speaker 1: Cedric Benson has passed away at age thirty six. That
Speaker 1: sort of puts it in perspective, that anecdote about Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: who during his career has seen old school powerbacks like
Speaker 1: Cedric Benson become an endangered species. Just in the span
Speaker 1: of that twelve or thirteen years, this guy would have
Speaker 1: no chance of going into top ten in the draft
Speaker 1: with his skill set now, right, that was the same
Speaker 1: draft as Ronnie Williams and Cadillac I mean Ronnie Brown
Speaker 1: and Cadillac Williams all and Cedric Benson all went in
Speaker 1: the top five that that draft. I guess you could
Speaker 1: compare him to Leonard Porn So maybe I have to
Speaker 1: take that back. Yeah, I mean that that that draft
Speaker 1: change how running backs reviewed. But Benson, I mean he
Speaker 1: had a he started five or six playoff games for
Speaker 1: the Bengals and had three seasons straight over Bowl fifty
Speaker 1: yards like he had his moments. He was I think
Speaker 1: probably was punched by Thomas Jones. I think he would
Speaker 1: admit he had some problems with the immaturity early in
Speaker 1: his career, but he was always kind of a person
Speaker 1: who thought deeply about things in interviews going back to college.
Speaker 1: He's probably more legendary for his high school known as
Speaker 1: maybe one of the great Texas high school players of
Speaker 1: all times and one of the great things Texas Longhorns
Speaker 1: of all time, and and everyone who talked about always
Speaker 1: always said how thoughtful and smart he was. It's the
Speaker 1: football side of it. But then you know, this is
Speaker 1: someone who's just lost the chance to probably be on
Speaker 1: the planet for another fifty sixty years and was renowned
Speaker 1: as having an incredibly engaging personality, and it would have
Speaker 1: been the post career would be just as interesting as
Speaker 1: anything he ever did as a player. UH. Cedric Benson
Speaker 1: dead at the age of thirty six. That is what
Speaker 1: is happening in the news. All right, Let's check out
Speaker 1: the rest of the UH takeaways from preseason week two, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, and there was always things to talk about,
Speaker 1: of course, but it is becoming more and more farce
Speaker 1: these games in terms of the coaches that are all
Speaker 1: following the Sean McVeigh plan of resting not not a handful,
Speaker 1: uh not ten, some twenty of their regular players because
Speaker 1: they just don't see the value in putting them out
Speaker 1: there for the risk. This is all coming to ahead
Speaker 1: I feel like with the c B A. But anyway,
Speaker 1: that that is a discussion for perhaps another time, Greg,
Speaker 1: how about some takeaways from the games on Friday, Saturday,
Speaker 1: and Sunday. I guess I want to start because with
Speaker 1: West's guy, Chase winovic Who oh man, I've got a
Speaker 1: whole paragraph on this guy. I just want to you
Speaker 1: you go, because it feels less biased talking about a
Speaker 1: Patriots player. Well, I sent some um consternation from Mark
Speaker 1: and Dan about the state of preseason play. And if
Speaker 1: you're tired of watching somage a pier run being unable
Speaker 1: to make anyone missing the open field, if you're tired
Speaker 1: of watching Ryan Griffin's pop gun arm unleashing creepers all
Speaker 1: over the field, find your favorite relaxant and dial up
Speaker 1: game pass for Chase Winovitch in the second and third
Speaker 1: quarter against the Titans. This guy is a terror, screaming
Speaker 1: off the edge almost every single play. The Titans are
Speaker 1: trying to get a good look at their fancy new
Speaker 1: backup quarterback Ryan Tannehill, and Winovich is single handedly dismantling
Speaker 1: their offense. It's like watching Rambo. He's up in the trees,
Speaker 1: he's in the cave, he's down by the water, Like
Speaker 1: how many Chase Winovitches are out there? And then I'm
Speaker 1: watching it, I'm like, I gotta go back and watch
Speaker 1: the first the opener. So I'm fast board and through
Speaker 1: here and I see the Lions or i see the
Speaker 1: other team complete a pass and I'm like, well, can't
Speaker 1: be win of it. He's not on the field yet,
Speaker 1: because they wouldn't be complete and passes with this guy
Speaker 1: out there. It's like you, your defense should get extra
Speaker 1: points for scoring when win of it is on the field.
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard. It's hard for me to really
Speaker 1: get excited about turning on a game that involves the Titans,
Speaker 1: but I did because of what you said, Wes and Uh.
Speaker 1: I believe it was Tyler Mars who was the right
Speaker 1: tackle that just had no answers for Chase was it
Speaker 1: was a grotesque cloud suit being put on the man.
Speaker 1: As Mark once said, he was fashioning a multicolored clown
Speaker 1: suit for this man on every play. I got back
Speaker 1: to watch the first game, I finally find the winning
Speaker 1: win of its part. He's doing the same thing against.
Speaker 1: Can we cut through the preseason h malarkey? And is
Speaker 1: this guy really a player or is it who's playing against?
Speaker 1: And is he gonna have a role in the defense?
Speaker 1: Where where are we at with? Well, here's here's what
Speaker 1: we know. Your backup tackle has no prayer against this guy.
Speaker 1: We don't know what he can do, but against starting
Speaker 1: to eckles because we haven't seen it yet. But he
Speaker 1: is in a different class thing than anybody's back up.
Speaker 1: It's a position they really could use someone to step up.
Speaker 1: And they've been talking up um Derek Rivers a little bit.
Speaker 1: And and they picked up a guy from the Raiders,
Speaker 1: Shelik Calhoun, who has had a good camp. But I
Speaker 1: think he'll have a absolutely have a role in this offense.
Speaker 1: They don't really have outside pass rushers. It's it's what
Speaker 1: they need more than anything. And their rookie class. Not
Speaker 1: to be too much of a homer, but it's right now,
Speaker 1: it's like they haven't had many good rookie classes lately.
Speaker 1: And between Jacoby Myers, who had to be taken off
Speaker 1: the field at one point during the joint practices with
Speaker 1: the Titans because they wanted Brady. They wanted to force
Speaker 1: Brady to throw to someone else because just Jacoby Meyers everything,
Speaker 1: and he's been great. Between him, Juwan Williams looked good
Speaker 1: at cornerback, and then Jared Stidham. They've had. They have
Speaker 1: a nice young crop which they kind of needed win
Speaker 1: of it. Already has a trademark. This is my last
Speaker 1: comment on him. You're passionate about to keep talking about
Speaker 1: when when he beat you over and over again, and
Speaker 1: I'm talking like five play in a row. This guy
Speaker 1: is shutting down your offense and beating your right tackle.
Speaker 1: Switch him over to left tackle, beats him. Here's the trademark.
Speaker 1: You just sup plex him. You're tired of him being
Speaker 1: at your quarterback, so you take a tight end or
Speaker 1: a tackle, pick the guy up, suplex him, get called
Speaker 1: for a blatant holding penalty. And at least he's getting
Speaker 1: Rob Ninkovich comparisons from from what I've seen too. But
Speaker 1: he sounds more like Rob nickovinch made out of like
Speaker 1: iron and gold, much more of like an edge rusher type.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I thought I might be overreacting, so I
Speaker 1: went to Pro Football Focus and looked at his grade
Speaker 1: for this game. It's it's a million. It's in the
Speaker 1: area where you only see Aaron Donald and J J. Right,
Speaker 1: and he only played after the game. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: it's really not exaggerating that. It's one of the great
Speaker 1: preseason performances I've ever seen. It is, but I don't
Speaker 1: know what that means. No one's ever won the vaunted
Speaker 1: preseason MVP award I handed out at the end of
Speaker 1: every preseason. But when it's the greatest UM preseason game
Speaker 1: I've ever seen by a rookie pass rush, I get
Speaker 1: goose bumps. Thinking of the trophy ceremonies, Zach Center handing
Speaker 1: it over a big trophy. That's that's fair. Um and
Speaker 1: Lakisha Jackson Westling, if you're listening to this podcast, you
Speaker 1: know to get west for Christmas. When those authentic jerseys,
Speaker 1: not the replicas, I mean the two job I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be wearing. All right, I'll throw one out
Speaker 1: there and then Greg, I'm gonna come to you, but
Speaker 1: I want you to actually talk about something. Don't tee
Speaker 1: up West. Well, well, it was just that was the
Speaker 1: most to me there. It was kind of a blah
Speaker 1: preseason weekend. It was like building up to West and
Speaker 1: and there was like, you know, some quarterback talks. I
Speaker 1: know we're going to talk about Charlie Castley with that later,
Speaker 1: but there wasn't much. I didn't have a ton of
Speaker 1: but I do have. I am ready. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: you're on deck. No, I changed my mind, you're up. Okay,
Speaker 1: Well look at this. Well let's talk Tony Pollard because
Speaker 1: I think that was a big takeaway from the weekend.
Speaker 1: How I think he had about fifty scrimmage yards in
Speaker 1: that first drive that they're using the fourth round pick
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. Between the tackles, I think he looks solid.
Speaker 1: He made it. A couple really nice plays I think
Speaker 1: he had. He's had some big holes. And I think
Speaker 1: it's just an interesting topic because the comment that Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones said about Zeke Who, which apparently is annoyed Zeke Elliott, um,
Speaker 1: if you watch it in context, it really was. He
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to offend him. And I don't think the
Speaker 1: cow the Cowboys know that this guy probably isn't really
Speaker 1: capable of carrying the load. He was the third running
Speaker 1: back at his college behind Darryl including behind Darrell Henderson,
Speaker 1: the Rams rookie, and he only had I think, you
Speaker 1: know what, was seventy carries last year, Like he's never
Speaker 1: had more than that. And I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: really an Alvin Kamara type who when he gets to
Speaker 1: the NFL, can actually increase his workload. So I think
Speaker 1: a little bit of this Pollard hype is a nice
Speaker 1: player to add to that offense, and I think they
Speaker 1: need it to have uh more weapon, but it'd be
Speaker 1: a huge It's totally different if you're playing in the
Speaker 1: regular season giving him twenty carries. Well, you know, Jerry
Speaker 1: is winning on the scoreboard versus Zeke pretty handily right now,
Speaker 1: and Paul are the big reason why. But to me,
Speaker 1: you get excited if you're the Cowboys because Zeke will
Speaker 1: eventually be back and now you've got this hybrid player
Speaker 1: who's kind of half running back, half slot and that's
Speaker 1: what's good in the NFL. Right now. I want to
Speaker 1: talk about Taysom Hill, who you know this is acentually
Speaker 1: so he's been like a fun little gadget player for
Speaker 1: the Saints and maybe that's just what he'll continue to be.
Speaker 1: But then you see things and again the preseason lies,
Speaker 1: as they all say, but then you see what he
Speaker 1: did against the Chargers. So he comes in at the
Speaker 1: half for Teddy Bridgewater, who looked terrible, but he was
Speaker 1: also six. So we're gonna we're gonna give Teddy a
Speaker 1: pass on this. But then he'll goes off and he
Speaker 1: and he just lights up l A with his legs
Speaker 1: and with his arm. Come back when the whole thing
Speaker 1: it does. It makes me think that where Taysom Hill
Speaker 1: is at a player as a player right now, which
Speaker 1: is obviously exciting and electrifying. Potentially if Sean Payton the
Speaker 1: offensive genius that he is, that there's not a bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff rattling around in his mind about what he
Speaker 1: could possibly do to to add to his offense moving
Speaker 1: forward and that and I'm wondering what that would mean
Speaker 1: in terms of Hill getting more snaps potentially and Drew
Speaker 1: Brees getting less as a result, and how Breeze that
Speaker 1: would sit with Breeze if that's even a question, if
Speaker 1: that's even something that Peyton would broach with Drew Brees.
Speaker 1: But it just seems like Taysom Hill is somebody that
Speaker 1: could add just yet another level to this offense beyond
Speaker 1: what we've seen the last year or two. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he for me and I had a similar
Speaker 1: note Dan I had. I wrote the Taysom Hill makes
Speaker 1: football fund. I loved his performance. He seems so comfortable
Speaker 1: out there. He's versatile, he's confident, and it just makes
Speaker 1: me glad that he's on a team like the Saints
Speaker 1: with Sean Payton's mind, versus him being couched on the
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions where we would essentially never see him again
Speaker 1: because certain teams just wouldn't know what to do with him.
Speaker 1: And I, you know, we got there last year to
Speaker 1: some degree. With his role expanding and him being such
Speaker 1: an X factor, it's a great question, how do you
Speaker 1: how do you get more of him on the field,
Speaker 1: because he's that valuable, that interesting. Well, he's let it
Speaker 1: be known to the beat writers there and the announcers
Speaker 1: of the of the Saints game. He Sean Payin's compared
Speaker 1: him to Steve Young, that he might be our Steve Young.
Speaker 1: He keeps saying he said that, and it's been a
Speaker 1: little like below the radar, but they've been talking about
Speaker 1: how this year, his third year, they haven't done any
Speaker 1: gadget plays at all in camp because they said we
Speaker 1: can do that, we can practice those in the regular season.
Speaker 1: Camp is all about him as a quarterback, and they
Speaker 1: think he's really made strides as a real quarterback in
Speaker 1: this camp. I mean, if anybody that knows football knows
Speaker 1: what happened with Steve, you what happened with the guy
Speaker 1: who's playing behind went pretty well? Is that where this
Speaker 1: has had it? I mean, Tasa, listen again, he's going
Speaker 1: against all third and fourth stringers and bouncers and ups drivers.
Speaker 1: He's also twenty nine years old, which is under the radar.
Speaker 1: That is to thee that Sean. I think Sean Payton
Speaker 1: thinks he has a real chance to succeed Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: which is interesting. I think he's kind of letting that
Speaker 1: be known that he he thinks he's around thirty years
Speaker 1: old when he finally got a chance as well, Mark Uh,
Speaker 1: I have a one guy I want to mention quickly
Speaker 1: is Cleveland's Mac Wilson, the linebacker who over two games
Speaker 1: has been a playmaking machine. And it's not just in
Speaker 1: the games, all camp, all Paul, all all these practices
Speaker 1: that have been going on. He has been raved about
Speaker 1: and it's just, you know, they needed someone to come
Speaker 1: in at linebacker and do what he's doing. So good
Speaker 1: start for him and for all the issues with the preseason,
Speaker 1: and it is a tough product and there and there's
Speaker 1: no reason for us that for anyone we don't we
Speaker 1: just be totally honest about that. It needs fixes. One
Speaker 1: thing that I saw that I would like to see
Speaker 1: more of in the preseason was having Andrew Siciliano get
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh on the headset during a Rams defensive ge
Speaker 1: sirie Is and it you know, it's such a covert
Speaker 1: coach culture of the coaches and you don't really get
Speaker 1: to hear what they're doing during games very often otherthanless
Speaker 1: it's like Bill Parcels swearing at a ref or something.
Speaker 1: But it was incredible. It was a brief segment to
Speaker 1: hear McVeigh just breakdown what he was seeing and he
Speaker 1: was so just informative and interesting. I want like hours
Speaker 1: of that. It needs to be like a television station
Speaker 1: that offers that the entire game. We're never gonna get
Speaker 1: it because it's it's it's they're never gonna allow it
Speaker 1: to happen, but it would it made football so much
Speaker 1: more interesting. I like that too, I did. I tweeted
Speaker 1: it out last night that I couldn't figure out who
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh sounded like, and then it light bulbs off
Speaker 1: and it was it's freaking bon Jovi. And if you
Speaker 1: know what bon Jovie sounds like when he talks, check
Speaker 1: it out. If you're interested. You'll never You'll never hear
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh the same way. It's exactly the same voice.
Speaker 1: There aren't many mcveigh's though, that would be that dynamic
Speaker 1: and compelling and be able to mentally, to be able
Speaker 1: to speak that well and meant, I mean it wasn't
Speaker 1: edible to hear how quickly he mentally processes from that
Speaker 1: view everything that's happening. And I think most I think
Speaker 1: most coaches probably could mentally process things that past, but
Speaker 1: they couldn't explain it verbally. That we were we were
Speaker 1: learned a lot about coaches that we think we already
Speaker 1: have a book on. Here's the thing, though, McVeigh, I
Speaker 1: think one underrated thing about him, and I noticed Zach
Speaker 1: Taylor is absolutely in the same mold, and he was
Speaker 1: under McVeigh. McVeigh is incredibly transparent. He has been since
Speaker 1: day one. He gives you injury information and actually no
Speaker 1: one even makes a big deal of it. Like he
Speaker 1: tells you who's playing, He tells you who's playing in
Speaker 1: the preseason. Is not like and I noticed Zach Taylor
Speaker 1: is a little like this too. He's just transparent because
Speaker 1: he's confident and he realizes so much of this stuff
Speaker 1: that coaches aren't transparent about doesn't matter. And I love that.
Speaker 1: Here's my number one takeaway from that whole exercise. Who
Speaker 1: in the entire football world is capable of criticizing Sean McVeigh.
Speaker 1: You watched that, and you think any analyst on TV,
Speaker 1: anyone writing, anybody on Twitter, you think you're going to
Speaker 1: criticize Sean McVeigh. Luckily no one has. You got a
Speaker 1: little bit of it after the super Bowl. Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: but people criticize And I know I don't think they
Speaker 1: said because it's been all you know, Bouquet's sunshine and
Speaker 1: Bouquet well that that game. Though for me, the Rams
Speaker 1: were a little annoying to me because they got good
Speaker 1: so quickly and suddenly everyone was in love. I think
Speaker 1: they're much more intriguing now because they have to show
Speaker 1: they this is when you have to do the job
Speaker 1: of a coach. And McVeigh I think it's shown from
Speaker 1: a personnel and from an organizational standpoint, how strong of
Speaker 1: a leader he is one more real quick one and
Speaker 1: then we gotta go or run a little late today.
Speaker 1: Well well maybe we'll hit on it with Charlie. But
Speaker 1: I'll give my two cents in Daniel Jones, which is
Speaker 1: that if I was a Giants fan, I would love
Speaker 1: what I see because, yeah, I know he's going against
Speaker 1: the second team offense. It's not they're game plan all
Speaker 1: this stuff, but he's doing things like changing the plays,
Speaker 1: changing the tempo, which they did. And young quarterbacks aren't
Speaker 1: necessarily that great at that rookie quarterbacks where they go
Speaker 1: from slow to fast and then back to slow and
Speaker 1: then to fast, and he's doing that. He's going to
Speaker 1: his third read and it's those things you see from
Speaker 1: you don't normally see from a rookie quarterback. He just
Speaker 1: seems very together into perform. It had to turnovers too,
Speaker 1: so I'm not It's not like it was a perfect,
Speaker 1: you know, game form by any means, but man if
Speaker 1: I was a Giants fan, I'd be excited. Uh real quick.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of it in the same boat as you
Speaker 1: guys that I think the Bills could surprise people this year,
Speaker 1: especially if Josh Allen develops and he looked good against
Speaker 1: the Panthers. And keep an eye out of Cole Beasley
Speaker 1: PPR leagues. You forget about that guy. But they they have,
Speaker 1: they've been targeted. He's been targeted six times in the
Speaker 1: two preseason games, six catches for about seven yards. That
Speaker 1: could be a nice combo. I'm treating this like the
Speaker 1: preseason in my own farm team, and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get Jim Miller at job the game analyst for the
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears. He's also on Sirius XM NFL Radio. Former
Speaker 1: UM Bears and Steelers quarterback. This guy is fantastic, plays voice,
Speaker 1: well informed. He's got a genial personality. He knows the
Speaker 1: quarterback position inside and out. He is better like he's
Speaker 1: like tuning into a game at like lambeau Field or
Speaker 1: Mile High. The ambiance is just better when Jim Miller
Speaker 1: is involved. He's better than all but three or four
Speaker 1: guys nationally. I'll stand Brian Baldinger obviously, anyone that loves football.
Speaker 1: If you're watching his tape work and his breakdowns, they're awesome.
Speaker 1: They're they're brief enough where you can catch a few
Speaker 1: of them, like the day after the games. And I
Speaker 1: thought that he appropriately shredded what he saw from the
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions and their last outing, and he go, and
Speaker 1: you can just go, I'll let you go watch it.
Speaker 1: But he sort of goes case by case on four
Speaker 1: or five players that look completely like they are out
Speaker 1: to lunch, and there are players on the ground wide
Speaker 1: receivers getting hit in the back of ahead because I
Speaker 1: didn't even know the balls coming their way, and I
Speaker 1: realized it's the preseason. But they've got Josh Johnson in
Speaker 1: there running bizarre college scheme stuff that will never be
Speaker 1: used again with Matthew Stafford, and I just enjoyed his rant.
Speaker 1: He just I have questions about the Lions I've had
Speaker 1: for a long time. Where is your identity? What is
Speaker 1: your identity? And he just went into him and I
Speaker 1: kind of liked it it. That's part of where like
Speaker 1: you're sitting all your starters in the preseason, and this
Speaker 1: is what happened. Sometimes you lose your your pretty weak
Speaker 1: backup quarterback Tom Savage. You signed Josh Johnson, you refused
Speaker 1: to play Matthew Stafford, so you played. They played Josh
Speaker 1: Johnson three days after he signed in the preseason game.
Speaker 1: Made him play like most of the game. It's like
Speaker 1: kind and you're charging full price for those games. Give
Speaker 1: me a break. At least they they could block somebody
Speaker 1: in that game. Nine sacks in the first game against
Speaker 1: the Patriots. That did pass protect better? Well, yeah, they
Speaker 1: give him that good positive note. The Lions are just
Speaker 1: wasting everyone's time with this preseason, but that's true of
Speaker 1: several teams. All right, good job, guys, good analysis, real pros, pros.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. All right, it's time to welcome a
Speaker 1: very special guest. Last time he was on the show,
Speaker 1: he was in the studio. This time we have to
Speaker 1: settle for the phone. But we're very excited to have him.
Speaker 1: He is a former general manager. He's got he's got
Speaker 1: three Super Bowl rings. Kidding me, super Bowl rings. Well,
Speaker 1: we got one. It's uh, we put that one in
Speaker 1: the back closet because we lost that one. But we've
Speaker 1: got three winners. And there you go, there you go,
Speaker 1: and now you know the voice. Now He works for
Speaker 1: NFL Network as an analyst. Charlie Castley, Welcome back to
Speaker 1: the Around the NFL podcast. Hey, it's not gonna be
Speaker 1: with you guys. Excited about it, absolutely, Charlie. UM, it's
Speaker 1: great to have you on because you're on fire. You've
Speaker 1: got a lot of things you want to talk about
Speaker 1: and and and we want to talk about them with you.
Speaker 1: So we we want to get right to it and
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the Dallas Cowboys, a topic
Speaker 1: that obviously we'll always have a lot of intrigue here. Uh,
Speaker 1: the America's team angle and all that, and they have
Speaker 1: what they have. They have a tricky situation as a
Speaker 1: form GM. Charlie. When you look at the situation, core
Speaker 1: Zeke holding out, DAC wants money reportedly forty million, and
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper wants his money. How do you play this? Uh?
Speaker 1: Put put us, put us in the GM shoes here. Well,
Speaker 1: I think in what the Cowboys have done, I would
Speaker 1: have done the same thing. Uh. They've given him all
Speaker 1: really good offers. Uh, Mamari Cooper. Uh, somewhere my guest
Speaker 1: is somewhere to seventeen to eighteen million, because they say
Speaker 1: he's in the top five, so um, I think they
Speaker 1: did the right thing. Then now he has one year
Speaker 1: ago in his contracts, so if he's not signed and
Speaker 1: you have the free agent tag, you can uh the
Speaker 1: franchise take the franchise him next year. My gut is
Speaker 1: that thing gets done. Um On Dak, I think they've
Speaker 1: offered him according to reports that I've been able to
Speaker 1: verify over thirty million dollars. Now we'll come back to
Speaker 1: him in a second. Now, Zeke, they offered him number
Speaker 1: two money. Number two money, UH can be anywhere between
Speaker 1: thirteen to fourteen million dollars. Now, have to understand the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: they've never lost the player they wanted. Jerry Jones knows
Speaker 1: how to make a deal. But if nobody's going to
Speaker 1: negotiate with you, and you have to stand still because
Speaker 1: nobody's doing anything, you're only gonna go so far and
Speaker 1: you're gonna have some room at the end. And remember, now,
Speaker 1: the general manager there has the backing of the owner.
Speaker 1: That's crucial because Jerry's a general manager, so he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to answer to anybody in this thing. That that's
Speaker 1: kind of a unique situation. So I don't see why
Speaker 1: the Zeke thing doesn't get done at some point. What
Speaker 1: I was told is he did not have an intention
Speaker 1: of reporting the training camp. The old savior body trick here.
Speaker 1: Now he loses the credited season because he comes in
Speaker 1: after August fifth or six, or whether that data is
Speaker 1: where that is important in the big pictures. If he
Speaker 1: does that next year, he's not a free agent. Okay,
Speaker 1: you only have three credited years, So this is kind
Speaker 1: of the one shot to sit out. But again I
Speaker 1: think there's they're close there. To me, that deal has
Speaker 1: to get done now, dak Here, here's the unique thing
Speaker 1: about him. All the quarterback numbers and all the big
Speaker 1: time players who are up, the thread of the franchise
Speaker 1: tag causes them to get a contract, not their ability.
Speaker 1: Cousins didn't get twenty eight million dollars a year because
Speaker 1: of his ability. He got it because it became a
Speaker 1: free agent, but the franchise numbers kept forcing him up.
Speaker 1: So here's that that team told me estimated twenty nine
Speaker 1: million dollars if they franchise him next year. If he
Speaker 1: doesn't do an extension, then it becomes about thirty five
Speaker 1: million dollars. If he gets to the third year, it
Speaker 1: becomes fifty one million dollars. So the agent says, for
Speaker 1: three franchise tags, that's thirty eight million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: This is all theory, now, okay, but this is what happens.
Speaker 1: See the team. We'll look at two years, twenty nine
Speaker 1: and thirty five for a thirty two million dollar average.
Speaker 1: Most deals come in somewhere around that two year average,
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more. Now, is this guy worth
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars not? My opinion isn't put them out
Speaker 1: there in the open market. He's not a thirty million
Speaker 1: dollar quarterback. But the franchise forces you into either signing
Speaker 1: this guy or finding an alternate. They don't have an alternate.
Speaker 1: The agency he's working for has the history of saying,
Speaker 1: let's go play those franchise tags out. What's gonna happen
Speaker 1: here is Dax got to come in and say to
Speaker 1: the agent, I want to get this deal done. I
Speaker 1: want to be a Cowboys. Guess what thirty plus million
Speaker 1: dollars is enough? Um, And I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. That's my bet. So going back into
Speaker 1: Cowboys did the right thing. Aggressive offers room to work
Speaker 1: very good, y. I mean, if you had to lose
Speaker 1: one of these guys, West, I mean, is it is it?
Speaker 1: Is it conceivable to have all these three these guys
Speaker 1: under big contracts? Is it smart business wise? I mean, well,
Speaker 1: here's your model. See the Colts were the first one
Speaker 1: to do this. They had the highest paid quarterback in football.
Speaker 1: Uh anytime he did a contract. Okay. Then he had
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison, Dwight Flaney okay, and all of them were
Speaker 1: big time contract Okay. Edward James he was on a
Speaker 1: rookie contract. He was the fourth guy. It was the cap.
Speaker 1: They were able to win consistently and compete for the
Speaker 1: championship every year. Patriots didn't exist with Belichick, they would
Speaker 1: have want a bunch of more championships. So the formula
Speaker 1: is there with a certain percentage to be a cap
Speaker 1: a lot of to your top players. Now what has
Speaker 1: to happen here, though, is the offense has to be dynamic.
Speaker 1: That the Marcus Lawrence Fitten in there. Okay, so he's
Speaker 1: gonna he's already paid for one pass rusher. Remember the
Speaker 1: Colts had Freeney okay, and they had Mathis, so they
Speaker 1: had a second pass rusher. So what you have to
Speaker 1: do is decide you're gonna win an offense rushed the
Speaker 1: passer and raft well for everybody else, and you won't
Speaker 1: keep everybody else. Maybe you keep a couple more because
Speaker 1: the coast could keep a couple more good players. Have
Speaker 1: we reached a point where every franchise quarterback expects to
Speaker 1: become the highest paid quarterback in the NFL when his
Speaker 1: contract is up. What happened to guys like let's say
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton or even Kaepernick, you know, five years of
Speaker 1: go or Alex Smith? Like there was a second tier
Speaker 1: which I believe Dak falls under as a player. What
Speaker 1: happened to that tier? Is it non existent anymore? You know,
Speaker 1: it has uh eliminated itself, And I don't know if
Speaker 1: it comes back. I guess we'll find out if it
Speaker 1: comes back. Because you've got Marcus Mariota, You've got Jamison,
Speaker 1: Jamison Winston. Those guys are in the position really of Dak.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're going to be free agents. The only
Speaker 1: the only reason I disagree with you, Charlie, is that
Speaker 1: I think if Dak actually made the free agent market,
Speaker 1: he would get a thirty five million dollars. See, that's
Speaker 1: the thing with these quarterbacks. You say, they're not. People
Speaker 1: aren't worth it. But if they actually got to an
Speaker 1: open market where there's multiple teams bidding. And I'm with
Speaker 1: you on not really seen Dack necessarily as a top
Speaker 1: ten quarterback at all, but his numbers are great. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys are gonna pay. They kind of know they're gonna pay.
Speaker 1: And if he got out there, just the fact that
Speaker 1: enough teams are missing quarter acts somewhat paying the money
Speaker 1: here as much you're worth, as much as you're gonna get.
Speaker 1: And I do wonder what the next cb A like
Speaker 1: that hanging out over these negotiations, what impact that has
Speaker 1: to Well, I think on the next c b A,
Speaker 1: you're gonna see a strong pushball the owners to have
Speaker 1: some kind of stronger repercussions about guys under contract not
Speaker 1: showing up. I think that's gonna be high on their
Speaker 1: list now. So you're right, one, it only takes one
Speaker 1: team to pay dat um. When you talk to teams
Speaker 1: that play the Cowboys, they did they want the ball
Speaker 1: in the hands of Dak. They don't want it in
Speaker 1: the hands of Zeke Elliot. That's the guy that beats him.
Speaker 1: And and Cooper is a good player. Uh, there's other
Speaker 1: coopers in the league, but they were lacking one and
Speaker 1: and he made he has made a difference for him.
Speaker 1: All right, Charlo, let's stick at the category of quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know you're you're what they call a
Speaker 1: real tape jockey, right right, Charlie, You're a guy you
Speaker 1: chew up that tape like no one's ever said that nickname.
Speaker 1: But go ahead see anyway, But you've been watching these
Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks and I'm sure you have some real takes on.
Speaker 1: We talked about earlier during our news segment about Dwayne
Speaker 1: Haskins and how the Redskins quarterback situation is shaping up.
Speaker 1: What have you seen from him through two games. It's
Speaker 1: kind of a mixed bag. You see the highlights. You
Speaker 1: see some deep throws, some big time arm throws, You
Speaker 1: see a little bit of everything positive. You see some
Speaker 1: timing throws. You see him um make plays outside the pocket,
Speaker 1: you see him make some few reads. But then you
Speaker 1: see everything else. The biggest issue we had in two
Speaker 1: games is inaccuracy, which is his footwork. His footworking the
Speaker 1: first game was not very good at all. It's it
Speaker 1: was a little bit better, but he doesn't tend to
Speaker 1: step through on throws and with his front foot. Therefore,
Speaker 1: sometimes he's coming off the front foot without his step,
Speaker 1: he's up on his toes and the ball sales. So
Speaker 1: that's one Uh you'll see miss reads. Like last week
Speaker 1: he took a sack when people were open. He bailed
Speaker 1: on a pocket where people were open. Uh. So it's
Speaker 1: it's a combination of inconsistency in all phases. Now they're
Speaker 1: giving them the entire offense. They're not trying to find
Speaker 1: something that he can work with. They're giving him everything
Speaker 1: checks with the line, the long bourbage, all right, and
Speaker 1: and they're giving him a lot of play time. And
Speaker 1: I think the idea is he's not gonna start the season. Okay,
Speaker 1: at some point, what's gonna happen. Okay, Tena will start
Speaker 1: the season. Uh, at some point this guy probably will play.
Speaker 1: And then you've known what he what he could do
Speaker 1: and couldn't do in preseason. Now you'll scale it back
Speaker 1: and and and zero in on the things he could do.
Speaker 1: For example, I think he's only had one or two
Speaker 1: r pos. I would think he'll get a lot of
Speaker 1: RPOs if he has to play. Um, speaking of guys,
Speaker 1: that would be a dynamic in an RPO situation. Kyler Murray,
Speaker 1: who's um. A lot of people are excited about Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury and Murray and Arizona. Now he came back to
Speaker 1: earth a little bit in the second preseason game. Uh,
Speaker 1: definitely was unable to move the ball and had some
Speaker 1: issues with the clap snap Charlie, take us behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: What do people saying about the clap snap? Is that
Speaker 1: a real thing to be worried about for a rookie?
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't called the NFL to get their
Speaker 1: version of it. I guess. Uh, it wasn't an issue
Speaker 1: when the officials came into practice. It wasn't issue in
Speaker 1: week one. Uh, it was an issue in week two,
Speaker 1: and how it was interpreted. When you read the rule,
Speaker 1: it sounds like it's totally an interpretation of of of
Speaker 1: what they see on the field. What I saw was
Speaker 1: in in the first game was not not I didn't
Speaker 1: study everyone, but clap snap, clap snap. Well, you don't
Speaker 1: think the defense gets gets that, so we'll have to
Speaker 1: see how they interpret it. You don't know anything to
Speaker 1: me about this guy in two games. For this reason.
Speaker 1: Number one, I don't think they're running the offense she's
Speaker 1: gonna see in week one. Men, Uh, every one of
Speaker 1: you could have been five out of six throw in
Speaker 1: the foot, no doubt about six out of six. You
Speaker 1: see he was that's true down Maybe it was outside
Speaker 1: the pocket. Now you go to week two. Still to me,
Speaker 1: they're not running the offense that we're gonna see, the
Speaker 1: one that he knows. Um, you got a lot of
Speaker 1: blissing this week. They weren't ready for the blitz. Okay,
Speaker 1: Now he had two good plays versus pressure. He missed
Speaker 1: the deep throws. I thought he was affected by the rush.
Speaker 1: He was inaccurate on a bootleg, he bailed with pressure
Speaker 1: brow and we had an open receiver. So so it
Speaker 1: was not a good performance at all. But again I
Speaker 1: don't think there was obviously no game planning, and I'm
Speaker 1: not sure this is the offense we're gonna see. Let's
Speaker 1: put you on the spot, then, Um, this isn't the
Speaker 1: offense we're gonna see. It is Kyler Murley Murray more
Speaker 1: likely to do what r G three and Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: did to the NFL early in the season, or or
Speaker 1: is that team so talent deficient that they're likely to
Speaker 1: struggle coming out of the gates. It's a great question
Speaker 1: because your second half of it is the appendix to
Speaker 1: it about uh, you know, they can't stop the run,
Speaker 1: so people can play ball control and keep him on
Speaker 1: the bench. Um, and it'd be interesting because they're playing
Speaker 1: I have in the first two games of Detroit, Patricia
Speaker 1: is a good coordinator. And then you go to Baltimore,
Speaker 1: Martin Dale is a good coordinate. When I talk about talent, now,
Speaker 1: it's about coordinator because you're gonna have to come out
Speaker 1: and defend something that you're really not sure what you're
Speaker 1: gonna defend. Baltimore is an edge because at least they'll
Speaker 1: have some films and uh so that's gonna be the
Speaker 1: thing there. Uh. I'm excited, Okay, I'm more excited to
Speaker 1: watch them on opening date any game in the league. Hey, now,
Speaker 1: just to see what happens. And I don't have a
Speaker 1: feel how it's gonna go. I really don't, Charlie, this
Speaker 1: is this is gonna be this is gonna sound sick.
Speaker 1: But my colleagues, my right, Greg Rosenthal, for half of
Speaker 1: his life his favorite team, the Patriots, has had Tom
Speaker 1: Brady carving up the NFL winning rings. It's a disgrace
Speaker 1: if you ask me to Charlie to have that embarrassment
Speaker 1: of Richard's and then you know, you and I are
Speaker 1: going back forth an email before the show figuring out
Speaker 1: what what we're gonna be talking about, and you've got
Speaker 1: all these positive notes on Jared Stidham. No, Charlie, I
Speaker 1: can't have another good day Patriots quarterback. We need a
Speaker 1: decade of stink coming from that positional room. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Okay, why do still him? Well, this
Speaker 1: guy is important. Brady's forty two going on thirty two.
Speaker 1: Looks like he's twenty two. Okay, yeah, that's not suspicious
Speaker 1: at all, by the way, Charlie, Yeah, you're right, there
Speaker 1: is something in a joking matter. Now. I mean, the
Speaker 1: guy doesn't make top dollar and he's forty two and
Speaker 1: he's still beating people. What it's something here now? Anyway,
Speaker 1: maybe hey, you know his nicknames, Joe Hardy. Looked at
Speaker 1: that one up for you. Okay, that that's a joke now,
Speaker 1: okay Joe Hardy. Alright, alright, google that he'll be interested
Speaker 1: in research Joe Hardy. But anyway, and it's a joke
Speaker 1: sports fans, all right, So here's the thing. It's not
Speaker 1: taken seriously. Brady's a good man, they wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, which still Brady doesn't have a
Speaker 1: contract for next year, which nobody's taking that seriously because
Speaker 1: Philly he'll be back with the Patriots, but you never know.
Speaker 1: But somehow they gotta have a guy to replace this
Speaker 1: guy at some point, and Didams a rookie. So by
Speaker 1: the time Brady's forty five, see this guy, I'll have
Speaker 1: some experience. But I was excited about why. I didn't
Speaker 1: know what I was gonna see. See in college, he
Speaker 1: had talent to throw, but the pressure kilten. This guy
Speaker 1: was not good versus pressure. I hadn't had a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure in New England. First week, a little conservative,
Speaker 1: but really played well and I did a social post
Speaker 1: on it. He had Brady help. Brady bounces in the
Speaker 1: pocket and he never goes anywhere and nobody ever touches
Speaker 1: him because he's got great sense. This guy kind of
Speaker 1: looked the same. So he's made good decisions, he's been
Speaker 1: accurate with the football. Um so I've been impressed with
Speaker 1: the guy. Now the guy had two interceptions that were dropped. Okay,
Speaker 1: last week. So the stats are a little deceiving, but
Speaker 1: overall poise accuracy seems to understand. The offense been a
Speaker 1: surprise to me. Well, Greg is in you're pumping his fist.
Speaker 1: Is that this concerns me that it would be sort
Speaker 1: of a breadth farve to Aaron Rodgers type of off
Speaker 1: but too early to tell. I imagine before we let
Speaker 1: you go, Charlie, last thing, Um, you were a member
Speaker 1: of the Competition committee for eight years. Um, and this
Speaker 1: past interference rule, which we've talked about on the show.
Speaker 1: There there seems to be some type of internal power struggle,
Speaker 1: at least from where we're sitting, where you know, the
Speaker 1: owners passed this rule after you know, the trauma of
Speaker 1: the NFC title game, and now the officials the way
Speaker 1: they're officiating it so far in the preseason. There's an
Speaker 1: obvious disconnect here. Um, what what have your takeaways been?
Speaker 1: And if you were still on the competition committee, Uh,
Speaker 1: if knowing what you know now midway through August, would
Speaker 1: you have gotten behind this? Here's what would have happened.
Speaker 1: I was the most liberal guy on the committee. I
Speaker 1: was yes on every instant replay vot. I didn't even
Speaker 1: hear the question I've ordered yet, Okay, the opposite of
Speaker 1: Mike Brown, Mike and I tuned Mike and I just
Speaker 1: can'tl each It was like Samuel Jackson and Bruce Wilson, unbreakable.
Speaker 1: There had to be each side of the spectrum. All right,
Speaker 1: you want history in the national foot Paul and get
Speaker 1: them on. They will never come on. But he's a
Speaker 1: tremendous the story and a tremendous person. Now here's the thing. Um.
Speaker 1: I would have been liberal. And then I saw the
Speaker 1: tape that we saw uh at our NFL network summit,
Speaker 1: and I sat there and said, and I sent a
Speaker 1: text to somebody at the at the high level of
Speaker 1: the NFL. I said, this is a mess. Okay, it is.
Speaker 1: I would never have voted for it. The obvious one
Speaker 1: is obvious. Now. We were always told one play does
Speaker 1: not change the rule. You have to have a history
Speaker 1: of it. And as I sat there, and I remember,
Speaker 1: I I know how they think. And I said, I
Speaker 1: saw it, and I said, no, that's that's it. And
Speaker 1: and Alan, I couldn't agree on it, right, He's saying, no,
Speaker 1: that's the other one. Well, the way the committee works
Speaker 1: is we would sit there and vote on these things.
Speaker 1: And if we were getting seven eight no, which that's
Speaker 1: what it would take to change something, then we would
Speaker 1: change it and tell the officials that are officiating, this
Speaker 1: is how you're calling it based on what we see.
Speaker 1: A lot of time there was a disconnect because the
Speaker 1: officials don't want to take that advice. Here's what I
Speaker 1: see happen. Number one, I'd never have this because there's
Speaker 1: too many what ifs in it. It's not clear. Okay.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna go with the clear one and
Speaker 1: everything else. They're gonna stay in line, and then they're
Speaker 1: gonna stay where it is. That's my gut on this thing.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's what I think they've been told to do.
Speaker 1: I don't know that's gonna happen. It's gonna vary from crew.
Speaker 1: One last thing on it. The Redskin game last week.
Speaker 1: This is now. I'm watching it on television like all
Speaker 1: of us would. Again, there's a call offensive past interference.
Speaker 1: The replay shows the receiver coming back for the ball. Okay,
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. However, the flag was thrown on
Speaker 1: twenty yards ahead of it. The TV crew doesn't know that,
Speaker 1: and there's no coverage on the TV copy to show
Speaker 1: it so they can't overturn it. So they say the
Speaker 1: call holds, and everybody on television is confused. You know.
Speaker 1: I texted the league and the league cleared up, but
Speaker 1: I went on television. So here's something. As a coach,
Speaker 1: I see this. I think that's the penalty against my player.
Speaker 1: Coming back, I sort of flag, well, guess what, it's
Speaker 1: not it. There's something on their so they lose the call.
Speaker 1: There um to me, there's too many ones that you
Speaker 1: can't be sure on that the official is going to
Speaker 1: see it the same way. I would never vote it
Speaker 1: to this, and I was a liberal, alright, and I
Speaker 1: proposed it too. Charlie, all right, Joe Hardy. Who's Joe Hardy?
Speaker 1: He's from the Hardy Boys, right, Oh my god, come
Speaker 1: on you guys, what what's okay? What? They have many
Speaker 1: Yankee fans there from Damn Yankees, but I'm not familiar
Speaker 1: with that. That play it's from It's from Damn Yankee.
Speaker 1: Joe Hardy is a Washington Senator fan. The Senators are
Speaker 1: in the last place. The devil comes to him and says,
Speaker 1: I can give you the pennant. Joe, tell your soul
Speaker 1: to me, he sells his soul, and then Joe Hardy
Speaker 1: turns into this young guy nobody ever heard of, walks out,
Speaker 1: you know, walks out of the sticks by you know,
Speaker 1: Field of Dreams in Iowa, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: starts hitting the home runs and drives the Senators all
Speaker 1: the way. And this is what I don't remember. The
Speaker 1: punish line is he's rounding third base when I guess
Speaker 1: the home run to put up in the World Series,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he turns into Joe Hardy again.
Speaker 1: No old guys drinking to be watching the game. And
Speaker 1: I don't know how it ends. The old devil hasn't
Speaker 1: caught up to Tom yet. Wait, so who's Joe Hardy,
Speaker 1: Jared Stidham or Tom Brady? I hope that Brady was
Speaker 1: just Brady and sid Joe Hardy. We got another twenty years.
Speaker 1: This is a joke, Okay. Tom Brady's a good, uh
Speaker 1: family Christian man. I'm sure Charlie has to say that.
Speaker 1: I don't. Okay, So you choose which side do you
Speaker 1: want to believe? Charlie Castley, You're the man NFL Network
Speaker 1: follow him on Twitter? What is that Twitter handle? Again Charlie,
Speaker 1: Charlie Castilely and Charlie's eliey Strong Instagram game as well.
Speaker 1: Charlie gets it bottom line all right, Thank you man,
Speaker 1: Thank you Charlie. About Charlie, I was in the weeds
Speaker 1: there on Joe Hardy, I gotta be honest with you,
Speaker 1: but it makes a lot of sense. There's no one,
Speaker 1: there's no one like Charlie that means to me that
Speaker 1: when he said sports fans, that was my favorite. Yes,
Speaker 1: you see sports fans. He keeps certain things alive, like
Speaker 1: my my uncle Bill, who would come to family parties
Speaker 1: and and we'd be shooting hoops in my driveway. Uh,
Speaker 1: and he'd come out and and hit ten out of
Speaker 1: ten underhanded free throws. Like there are people like Charlie.
Speaker 1: They're keeping things alive. And one of them is Joe
Speaker 1: Hardy references saying things like sports fans see uh and
Speaker 1: we love having ty and but West by the way,
Speaker 1: you are correct. One of the Hardy one of the
Speaker 1: the boys sleuth, the Hardy Boys was Joe Hardy, also
Speaker 1: one of the Shoulder Yeah. He was also an entrepreneur
Speaker 1: and the founder and CEO of eighty four Lumber Company.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I had to go back further even
Speaker 1: than the Hardy Boys Charlie's reference, um what finally found
Speaker 1: somebody on the show deeper us. I feel about him
Speaker 1: the same, how confused we are Dennis Miller announcing, yes,
Speaker 1: I get your shot. Shout all right, we'll be back
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. And remember Wednesday is yes, and we got
Speaker 1: a big fish, and we got a huge fish. Reel
Speaker 1: am in, Come on in. Evan Silva is getting in
Speaker 1: the boat formerly a broad o World, now of established
Speaker 1: the Run, which is a hot new website and scarning
Speaker 1: sound effect that we've incorporated that is a real it
Speaker 1: is I feel like you're disconnected from the frame. And
Speaker 1: if people don't like and people only know Evan through
Speaker 1: his Twitter account, I mean he is a real big fish,
Speaker 1: just physically maybe the largest man writing about football in
Speaker 1: these entire United States. And arguably he's like the game.
Speaker 1: It's like Nate, So I think his breath of knowledge
Speaker 1: is up there with everyone. He's got his hand in
Speaker 1: college football, the draft, analytics, fantasy football gambling. So when
Speaker 1: we have our annual fantasy extravaganza, we get the biggest
Speaker 1: fish in the boat. So we'll have Evan on the
Speaker 1: show Wednesday. Excited about that. So with all your drafts
Speaker 1: coming up, UM be excited and a return of course
Speaker 1: to Mark's fantasy corner, which I understand. There's been some gentrification,
Speaker 1: you know, listen, I can't I can't control the way
Speaker 1: neighborhoods grow and evolved, but there has been some changes.
Speaker 1: Well we'll get to that, i'm sure on Wednesday as well.
Speaker 1: All right, we should all rate Sully's closet for our
Speaker 1: favorite fishing shirt in advance of the show. Absolutely, um
Speaker 1: we miss you saw. All right, let's go. This is
Speaker 1: Dan hans Is signing off for Quiet Storm, the mail Man,
Speaker 1: the old Boss, Rick Hollywood behind the Glass. Thanks again
Speaker 1: to Charlie Cassily. Can you not what Rick? I was one?
Speaker 1: Now long know the faith