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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast arrives to work every day

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Speaker 1: in a Welcome to another edition of the Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL Podcast presented by Sirius XM. My name is Dan Hansis.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined in room that's filled with heroes, Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Chris Wessling, and Greg Rose. Though what is up? Boys? Hey? Dan?

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Speaker 1: Very impressed by the range of fashion choices in the

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Speaker 1: room today. Uh Dan wearing a Dan sort of shirt.

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Speaker 1: Me wearing a shirt that I've watched I don't know

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Speaker 1: the show probably five hundred times, and it's very fabulous looking.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's focus on the fancy boys. West has the

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Speaker 1: Lakisha makeover I had fashioned before I met my wife. Okay,

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Speaker 1: hold on different, now you look different now. Not only

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Speaker 1: did I buy this jacket myself, I bought it, one

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Speaker 1: of our podcast listeners got it for me in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's legal. And and Greg

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Speaker 1: sear sucker now now, yeah, sear sucker. And there's a

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Speaker 1: reason why, because Wes and Greg went on the Rich

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Speaker 1: Eisen Show. Rich was kind enough to have you guys on,

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Speaker 1: and Mark and I will be joining Rich before kickoff

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Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. Uh, to do an appearance

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Speaker 1: as well, and it sounds like it went really well, Greg,

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Speaker 1: But you making a bold decision to wear Sear Sucker

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Speaker 1: on national television. Let's take into that a little bit. Well,

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Speaker 1: how bold is it? I thought that I would be

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Speaker 1: disrespecting my father in law who got me this jacket

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Speaker 1: when when I was visiting my family in Tokyo over

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Speaker 1: the summer, if I didn't break it out on the

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Speaker 1: Rich Eyes and show what better place to to use

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Speaker 1: it for the first time. Well, it's the first thing

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Speaker 1: I noticed when I got to the office today when

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Speaker 1: I got to the newsroom. And guess what, I wasn't

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Speaker 1: the only one who noticed. And in case you're wondering, Uh,

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Speaker 1: he's in fact wearing a Sear Sucker sport coat. Hero

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Speaker 1: I noticed. I just said the same thing. Now material

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Speaker 1: if he's gonna buy me to better place to wear

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Speaker 1: it first? And how do you guys really listen to

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Speaker 1: our podcast by the way, and just listen to the

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Speaker 1: sound of your own voice? I hate I rarely do.

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Speaker 1: I've never gotten over that. I like your voice. I

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Speaker 1: can't deal with it. Um. Sorry, So good job my

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Speaker 1: one question with the Rich Eyes and set up YouTube

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Speaker 1: going now or is it? Do you think internally this

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Speaker 1: does that program? You guys has an appetize with Dan

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Speaker 1: and I have been the main course we go down with.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna They left us the choice of

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Speaker 1: however we wanted. People don't need to know that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do believe that's the case. But do notice right

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Speaker 1: your guys are appearing on Kick on the day the

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Speaker 1: NFL season starts. That's that's a more high profile day.

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Speaker 1: I mean today they were having anyone anyway. Daniel Jeremiah

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Speaker 1: was on the show. So they're just collecting people off

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Speaker 1: the street. Um. Anyway, So Greg, keep an eye on

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Speaker 1: Greg's fashion choices. As this season goes on, you'll see

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Speaker 1: Greg occasionally in the NFL network, perhaps different digital shows

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Speaker 1: that we have. Um, Greg's fashion getting more and more

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Speaker 1: quirkier as he gets older. And I'm that as a compliment.

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Speaker 1: You're you're you're looking to get outside the box. And

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Speaker 1: it's very clear to me, Well, the only way to

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Speaker 1: do fashion is to make it your own, right, That's

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Speaker 1: what he's doing. Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm not even

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Speaker 1: like that was a good I I I know that

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Speaker 1: West cannot stand the concept that he would not have

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Speaker 1: reached this same place fashion wise without like he should.

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Speaker 1: But I do wonder where you would be from a

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Speaker 1: closed horse perspective she had not come into your life.

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Speaker 1: That is misrepresenting what I've said about the case. Her

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Speaker 1: influence has been tremendous, But usually when you guys pick

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Speaker 1: out an outfit, it's something that I chose or I

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Speaker 1: did love marks reaction there West like throughout a Wessean

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Speaker 1: philosophy on fashion, and it's like that's how we're here.

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Speaker 1: Now Where at the point now in society where West

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Speaker 1: has philosophy on fashion? Well, Iver saw that coming. I'm

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Speaker 1: not even exaggerating. You're right, West, you have to is it?

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Speaker 1: Is it what you like? But the second thing I

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Speaker 1: think about is what is Dan gonna say not good

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Speaker 1: joking on the podcast or in the office, Like that's

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Speaker 1: who I'm thinking I am. That's okay, A lot to

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Speaker 1: get to today, all right, because we are now inside

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Speaker 1: coming up on today's show, we will have our takeaways.

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Speaker 1: On Friday show, we talked about some takeaways from the

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Speaker 1: Thursday preseason games we'll share some more from the rest

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Speaker 1: of the games that we're played on Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

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Speaker 1: There's even one more today. I know everybody will be

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Speaker 1: Charlie casser the Great Chaz Casserly is gonna join us

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Speaker 1: UH to talk a bunch of things, including the Dallas

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Speaker 1: seen from the rookie quarterbacks, and also Uh west like you,

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Speaker 1: he has some real concerns about the past interference role.

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Speaker 1: So I think, um, every announcer in the NFL is

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Speaker 1: concerned about the passengers, concerned and confused. All right, Reggy,

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Speaker 1: let's do it what we're hearing presented by serious extent.

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Speaker 1: Let's do some news. Nick would the Eagles different fools?

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Speaker 1: The worst thing that Eagles could have ever done? Twenty buddy,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Nick Foles is gonna come and hunt

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Speaker 1: the Eagles leader during during the future. Now put me

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Speaker 1: on another pocket, please. Who was that Chris Weston? That

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Speaker 1: was the man running the food truck at a concert

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Speaker 1: that Keisha and I went to over the weekend. He

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Speaker 1: the Eagles, and that's what we got. The take is

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Speaker 1: that Nick Foles will punish the Eagles for generations to come.

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Speaker 1: He thinks the Eagles did Nick Foles wrong by not

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Speaker 1: but you know that's fine. What's fun about football? Well,

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Speaker 1: let's get to the news. Oh boy. You know, we

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Speaker 1: thought that perhaps the worst was over um for the

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Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders and a drama with Antonio Brown. By the

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Speaker 1: So we're hoping he's back soon. We got eighty nine

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Speaker 1: End of story, No question, Greg, mm hmm. I enjoyed that.

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Speaker 1: think he's gotten a lot of good media publicity for

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Speaker 1: building a talented roster, which you could argue for against

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Speaker 1: now that's quarterback. But I think that I affect I

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Speaker 1: think that affects ownership in some way. That's a vote

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Speaker 1: for playing the media game. I do. Just a real

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Speaker 1: news impact from this though, is I think Jameis Winston

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Speaker 1: has a much better chance of getting a long term

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Speaker 1: deal now, just because Lights the one that drafted him,

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Speaker 1: and if if he had a clean, solid year, which

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Speaker 1: is a huge if it basically it almost never happens

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Speaker 1: for the Bucks but or Winston, but if that happened

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Speaker 1: this year, I think they'll resign him. Uh injury news,

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks are counting on DK Metcalf to have an

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Speaker 1: instant impact for them at wide receiver, the second round

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Speaker 1: pick who had been getting raves from everyone inside the

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Speaker 1: building about his progress. The submer well that progress has

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Speaker 1: been halted by a knee injury suffered it in practice

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Speaker 1: last week late last week, and he'll be undergoing a surgery.

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Speaker 1: That's Pete Carroll intimated that it wasn't a major surgery,

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Speaker 1: was something that will kind of not keep him off

446
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Speaker 1: the off the field for too long, maybe a scope

447
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Speaker 1: who knows, but the idea that he won't miss too

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Speaker 1: much action. But Mark, anytime a rookie wide receiver gets

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Speaker 1: taken out of the mix when he's trying to get

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Speaker 1: those valuable reps and playing time, it's not a good thing,

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Speaker 1: especially in Seattle. Whether they really need metcalfe, they I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're wide out group. We you know, we talked about

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Speaker 1: New England's I and I'd be equally concerned about Seattles.

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Speaker 1: And I know that they want to run the ball

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Speaker 1: until you know, endlessly. But Jaron Brown, David More, I

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Speaker 1: like David Moore, But who is your true game changing

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Speaker 1: wide out here? I don't know that Tyler Lockett's good,

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Speaker 1: but I don't to me when you look at the Seahawks,

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Speaker 1: this is a perfect example why schedule analysis is mostly useful.

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Speaker 1: It's when you play a team and just like last September,

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Speaker 1: you want to play the Seahawks earlier in the year.

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Speaker 1: Really sad news out of Austin, Texas over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Former NFL running back uh Cedric Benson died in a

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Speaker 1: motorcycle cycle crash. He was thirty six years old. Benson

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Speaker 1: and a passenger collided with a car at an intersection,

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Speaker 1: and Benson and the passenger, UH, we're pronounced dead at

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Speaker 1: the scene. Benson came into the league as a high

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Speaker 1: draft pick with the Chicago Bears. It never worked out

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Speaker 1: in Chicago. In fact um it was as about as

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Speaker 1: poor as it can go for a guy that was

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Speaker 1: as high as a draft pick as Benson was. But

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Speaker 1: he ended up bouncing around the league and hanging around

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Speaker 1: for for a while, including a stop west with your

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals where he had a trio one thousand yard seasons.

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Speaker 1: I remember him having a big playoff game against the

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Speaker 1: Jets one year. So he had some moments maybe didn't

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Speaker 1: live up to uh what was expect did of him

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Speaker 1: when he was drafted in the top five. But Uh

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Speaker 1: Cedric Uh Benson had a lot of people that thought

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Speaker 1: highly of him. Aaron Rodgers to name one of them,

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Speaker 1: who played briefly with Benson. Um said he used to

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Speaker 1: sit with Benson uh during training camp and during the

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Speaker 1: season at a cafeteria table and talk about you know, life, sports, anything.

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Speaker 1: He was one of those guys you could um really

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Speaker 1: talk about anything with. So really sad to hear that

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Speaker 1: Cedric Benson has passed away at age thirty six. That

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Speaker 1: sort of puts it in perspective, that anecdote about Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: who during his career has seen old school powerbacks like

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Speaker 1: Cedric Benson become an endangered species. Just in the span

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Speaker 1: of that twelve or thirteen years, this guy would have

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Speaker 1: no chance of going into top ten in the draft

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Speaker 1: with his skill set now, right, that was the same

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Speaker 1: draft as Ronnie Williams and Cadillac I mean Ronnie Brown

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Speaker 1: and Cadillac Williams all and Cedric Benson all went in

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Speaker 1: the top five that that draft. I guess you could

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Speaker 1: compare him to Leonard Porn So maybe I have to

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Speaker 1: take that back. Yeah, I mean that that that draft

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Speaker 1: change how running backs reviewed. But Benson, I mean he

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Speaker 1: had a he started five or six playoff games for

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Speaker 1: the Bengals and had three seasons straight over Bowl fifty

501
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Speaker 1: yards like he had his moments. He was I think

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Speaker 1: probably was punched by Thomas Jones. I think he would

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Speaker 1: admit he had some problems with the immaturity early in

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Speaker 1: his career, but he was always kind of a person

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Speaker 1: who thought deeply about things in interviews going back to college.

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Speaker 1: He's probably more legendary for his high school known as

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Speaker 1: maybe one of the great Texas high school players of

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Speaker 1: all times and one of the great things Texas Longhorns

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Speaker 1: of all time, and and everyone who talked about always

510
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Speaker 1: always said how thoughtful and smart he was. It's the

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Speaker 1: football side of it. But then you know, this is

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Speaker 1: someone who's just lost the chance to probably be on

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Speaker 1: the planet for another fifty sixty years and was renowned

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Speaker 1: as having an incredibly engaging personality, and it would have

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Speaker 1: been the post career would be just as interesting as

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Speaker 1: anything he ever did as a player. UH. Cedric Benson

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Speaker 1: dead at the age of thirty six. That is what

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Speaker 1: is happening in the news. All right, Let's check out

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Speaker 1: the rest of the UH takeaways from preseason week two, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, and there was always things to talk about,

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Speaker 1: of course, but it is becoming more and more farce

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Speaker 1: these games in terms of the coaches that are all

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Speaker 1: following the Sean McVeigh plan of resting not not a handful,

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Speaker 1: uh not ten, some twenty of their regular players because

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Speaker 1: they just don't see the value in putting them out

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Speaker 1: there for the risk. This is all coming to ahead

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Speaker 1: I feel like with the c B A. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: that that is a discussion for perhaps another time, Greg,

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Speaker 1: how about some takeaways from the games on Friday, Saturday,

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Speaker 1: and Sunday. I guess I want to start because with

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Speaker 1: West's guy, Chase winovic Who oh man, I've got a

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00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: whole paragraph on this guy. I just want to you

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Speaker 1: you go, because it feels less biased talking about a

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Speaker 1: Patriots player. Well, I sent some um consternation from Mark

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Speaker 1: and Dan about the state of preseason play. And if

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Speaker 1: you're tired of watching somage a pier run being unable

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Speaker 1: to make anyone missing the open field, if you're tired

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00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: of watching Ryan Griffin's pop gun arm unleashing creepers all

539
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Speaker 1: over the field, find your favorite relaxant and dial up

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Speaker 1: game pass for Chase Winovitch in the second and third

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Speaker 1: quarter against the Titans. This guy is a terror, screaming

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Speaker 1: off the edge almost every single play. The Titans are

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Speaker 1: trying to get a good look at their fancy new

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Speaker 1: backup quarterback Ryan Tannehill, and Winovich is single handedly dismantling

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Speaker 1: their offense. It's like watching Rambo. He's up in the trees,

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Speaker 1: he's in the cave, he's down by the water, Like

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Speaker 1: how many Chase Winovitches are out there? And then I'm

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Speaker 1: watching it, I'm like, I gotta go back and watch

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Speaker 1: the first the opener. So I'm fast board and through

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Speaker 1: here and I see the Lions or i see the

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Speaker 1: other team complete a pass and I'm like, well, can't

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Speaker 1: be win of it. He's not on the field yet,

553
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: because they wouldn't be complete and passes with this guy

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Speaker 1: out there. It's like you, your defense should get extra

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00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: points for scoring when win of it is on the field.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's hard. It's hard for me to really

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Speaker 1: get excited about turning on a game that involves the Titans,

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00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: but I did because of what you said, Wes and Uh.

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Speaker 1: I believe it was Tyler Mars who was the right

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Speaker 1: tackle that just had no answers for Chase was it

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Speaker 1: was a grotesque cloud suit being put on the man.

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Speaker 1: As Mark once said, he was fashioning a multicolored clown

563
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Speaker 1: suit for this man on every play. I got back

564
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Speaker 1: to watch the first game, I finally find the winning

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Speaker 1: win of its part. He's doing the same thing against.

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Speaker 1: Can we cut through the preseason h malarkey? And is

567
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Speaker 1: this guy really a player or is it who's playing against?

568
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Speaker 1: And is he gonna have a role in the defense?

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Speaker 1: Where where are we at with? Well, here's here's what

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Speaker 1: we know. Your backup tackle has no prayer against this guy.

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Speaker 1: We don't know what he can do, but against starting

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Speaker 1: to eckles because we haven't seen it yet. But he

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Speaker 1: is in a different class thing than anybody's back up.

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Speaker 1: It's a position they really could use someone to step up.

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Speaker 1: And they've been talking up um Derek Rivers a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And and they picked up a guy from the Raiders,

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Speaker 1: Shelik Calhoun, who has had a good camp. But I

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Speaker 1: think he'll have a absolutely have a role in this offense.

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Speaker 1: They don't really have outside pass rushers. It's it's what

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Speaker 1: they need more than anything. And their rookie class. Not

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Speaker 1: to be too much of a homer, but it's right now,

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Speaker 1: it's like they haven't had many good rookie classes lately.

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Speaker 1: And between Jacoby Myers, who had to be taken off

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Speaker 1: the field at one point during the joint practices with

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Speaker 1: the Titans because they wanted Brady. They wanted to force

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Speaker 1: Brady to throw to someone else because just Jacoby Meyers everything,

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Speaker 1: and he's been great. Between him, Juwan Williams looked good

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Speaker 1: at cornerback, and then Jared Stidham. They've had. They have

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Speaker 1: a nice young crop which they kind of needed win

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Speaker 1: of it. Already has a trademark. This is my last

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Speaker 1: comment on him. You're passionate about to keep talking about

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Speaker 1: when when he beat you over and over again, and

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Speaker 1: I'm talking like five play in a row. This guy

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00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: is shutting down your offense and beating your right tackle.

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Speaker 1: Switch him over to left tackle, beats him. Here's the trademark.

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00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: You just sup plex him. You're tired of him being

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00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: at your quarterback, so you take a tight end or

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00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: a tackle, pick the guy up, suplex him, get called

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Speaker 1: for a blatant holding penalty. And at least he's getting

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Speaker 1: Rob Ninkovich comparisons from from what I've seen too. But

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Speaker 1: he sounds more like Rob nickovinch made out of like

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00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: iron and gold, much more of like an edge rusher type.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I thought I might be overreacting, so I

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Speaker 1: went to Pro Football Focus and looked at his grade

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Speaker 1: for this game. It's it's a million. It's in the

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Speaker 1: area where you only see Aaron Donald and J J. Right,

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00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: and he only played after the game. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: it's really not exaggerating that. It's one of the great

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Speaker 1: preseason performances I've ever seen. It is, but I don't

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Speaker 1: know what that means. No one's ever won the vaunted

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Speaker 1: preseason MVP award I handed out at the end of

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00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: every preseason. But when it's the greatest UM preseason game

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen by a rookie pass rush, I get

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Speaker 1: goose bumps. Thinking of the trophy ceremonies, Zach Center handing

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00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: it over a big trophy. That's that's fair. Um and

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Speaker 1: Lakisha Jackson Westling, if you're listening to this podcast, you

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00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: know to get west for Christmas. When those authentic jerseys,

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00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: not the replicas, I mean the two job I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to be wearing. All right, I'll throw one out

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Speaker 1: there and then Greg, I'm gonna come to you, but

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Speaker 1: I want you to actually talk about something. Don't tee

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Speaker 1: up West. Well, well, it was just that was the

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Speaker 1: most to me there. It was kind of a blah

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00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: preseason weekend. It was like building up to West and

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Speaker 1: and there was like, you know, some quarterback talks. I

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Speaker 1: know we're going to talk about Charlie Castley with that later,

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Speaker 1: but there wasn't much. I didn't have a ton of

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Speaker 1: but I do have. I am ready. Okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: you're on deck. No, I changed my mind, you're up. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Well look at this. Well let's talk Tony Pollard because

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Speaker 1: I think that was a big takeaway from the weekend.

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Speaker 1: How I think he had about fifty scrimmage yards in

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Speaker 1: that first drive that they're using the fourth round pick

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Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. Between the tackles, I think he looks solid.

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Speaker 1: He made it. A couple really nice plays I think

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Speaker 1: he had. He's had some big holes. And I think

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Speaker 1: it's just an interesting topic because the comment that Jerry

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Speaker 1: Jones said about Zeke Who, which apparently is annoyed Zeke Elliott, um,

639
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Speaker 1: if you watch it in context, it really was. He

640
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to offend him. And I don't think the

641
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: cow the Cowboys know that this guy probably isn't really

642
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: capable of carrying the load. He was the third running

643
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: back at his college behind Darryl including behind Darrell Henderson,

644
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: the Rams rookie, and he only had I think, you

645
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: know what, was seventy carries last year, Like he's never

646
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: had more than that. And I don't know if he's

647
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: really an Alvin Kamara type who when he gets to

648
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: the NFL, can actually increase his workload. So I think

649
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of this Pollard hype is a nice

650
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: player to add to that offense, and I think they

651
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: need it to have uh more weapon, but it'd be

652
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: a huge It's totally different if you're playing in the

653
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: regular season giving him twenty carries. Well, you know, Jerry

654
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: is winning on the scoreboard versus Zeke pretty handily right now,

655
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: and Paul are the big reason why. But to me,

656
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: you get excited if you're the Cowboys because Zeke will

657
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: eventually be back and now you've got this hybrid player

658
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: who's kind of half running back, half slot and that's

659
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: what's good in the NFL. Right now. I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about Taysom Hill, who you know this is acentually

661
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: so he's been like a fun little gadget player for

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00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: the Saints and maybe that's just what he'll continue to be.

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Speaker 1: But then you see things and again the preseason lies,

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00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: as they all say, but then you see what he

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00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: did against the Chargers. So he comes in at the

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00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: half for Teddy Bridgewater, who looked terrible, but he was

667
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: also six. So we're gonna we're gonna give Teddy a

668
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: pass on this. But then he'll goes off and he

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Speaker 1: and he just lights up l A with his legs

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00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 1: and with his arm. Come back when the whole thing

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00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: it does. It makes me think that where Taysom Hill

672
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: is at a player as a player right now, which

673
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: is obviously exciting and electrifying. Potentially if Sean Payton the

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00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: offensive genius that he is, that there's not a bunch

675
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: of stuff rattling around in his mind about what he

676
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,479
Speaker 1: could possibly do to to add to his offense moving

677
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 1: forward and that and I'm wondering what that would mean

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00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: in terms of Hill getting more snaps potentially and Drew

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00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: Brees getting less as a result, and how Breeze that

680
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: would sit with Breeze if that's even a question, if

681
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: that's even something that Peyton would broach with Drew Brees.

682
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: But it just seems like Taysom Hill is somebody that

683
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: could add just yet another level to this offense beyond

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Speaker 1: what we've seen the last year or two. I mean,

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00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: I think he for me and I had a similar

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Speaker 1: note Dan I had. I wrote the Taysom Hill makes

687
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: football fund. I loved his performance. He seems so comfortable

688
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: out there. He's versatile, he's confident, and it just makes

689
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: me glad that he's on a team like the Saints

690
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: with Sean Payton's mind, versus him being couched on the

691
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Speaker 1: Detroit Lions where we would essentially never see him again

692
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: because certain teams just wouldn't know what to do with him.

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00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: And I, you know, we got there last year to

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Speaker 1: some degree. With his role expanding and him being such

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00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: an X factor, it's a great question, how do you

696
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: how do you get more of him on the field,

697
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: because he's that valuable, that interesting. Well, he's let it

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00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: be known to the beat writers there and the announcers

699
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: of the of the Saints game. He Sean Payin's compared

700
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: him to Steve Young, that he might be our Steve Young.

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00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: He keeps saying he said that, and it's been a

702
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: little like below the radar, but they've been talking about

703
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: how this year, his third year, they haven't done any

704
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: gadget plays at all in camp because they said we

705
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: can do that, we can practice those in the regular season.

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00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: Camp is all about him as a quarterback, and they

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00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: think he's really made strides as a real quarterback in

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00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: this camp. I mean, if anybody that knows football knows

709
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: what happened with Steve, you what happened with the guy

710
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: who's playing behind went pretty well? Is that where this

711
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: has had it? I mean, Tasa, listen again, he's going

712
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: against all third and fourth stringers and bouncers and ups drivers.

713
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: He's also twenty nine years old, which is under the radar.

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00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: That is to thee that Sean. I think Sean Payton

715
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: thinks he has a real chance to succeed Drew Brees,

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Speaker 1: which is interesting. I think he's kind of letting that

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00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: be known that he he thinks he's around thirty years

718
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: old when he finally got a chance as well, Mark Uh,

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Speaker 1: I have a one guy I want to mention quickly

720
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: is Cleveland's Mac Wilson, the linebacker who over two games

721
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: has been a playmaking machine. And it's not just in

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00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: the games, all camp, all Paul, all all these practices

723
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Speaker 1: that have been going on. He has been raved about

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00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: and it's just, you know, they needed someone to come

725
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: in at linebacker and do what he's doing. So good

726
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: start for him and for all the issues with the preseason,

727
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: and it is a tough product and there and there's

728
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: no reason for us that for anyone we don't we

729
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: just be totally honest about that. It needs fixes. One

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00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: thing that I saw that I would like to see

731
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 1: more of in the preseason was having Andrew Siciliano get

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00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh on the headset during a Rams defensive ge

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Speaker 1: sirie Is and it you know, it's such a covert

734
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: coach culture of the coaches and you don't really get

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00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: to hear what they're doing during games very often otherthanless

736
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: it's like Bill Parcels swearing at a ref or something.

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00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: But it was incredible. It was a brief segment to

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Speaker 1: hear McVeigh just breakdown what he was seeing and he

739
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 1: was so just informative and interesting. I want like hours

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00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: of that. It needs to be like a television station

741
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: that offers that the entire game. We're never gonna get

742
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: it because it's it's it's they're never gonna allow it

743
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: to happen, but it would it made football so much

744
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: more interesting. I like that too, I did. I tweeted

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00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: it out last night that I couldn't figure out who

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00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh sounded like, and then it light bulbs off

747
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: and it was it's freaking bon Jovi. And if you

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00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: know what bon Jovie sounds like when he talks, check

749
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: it out. If you're interested. You'll never You'll never hear

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Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh the same way. It's exactly the same voice.

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00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: There aren't many mcveigh's though, that would be that dynamic

752
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: and compelling and be able to mentally, to be able

753
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: to speak that well and meant, I mean it wasn't

754
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: edible to hear how quickly he mentally processes from that

755
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: view everything that's happening. And I think most I think

756
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: most coaches probably could mentally process things that past, but

757
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: they couldn't explain it verbally. That we were we were

758
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: learned a lot about coaches that we think we already

759
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: have a book on. Here's the thing, though, McVeigh, I

760
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: think one underrated thing about him, and I noticed Zach

761
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: Taylor is absolutely in the same mold, and he was

762
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: under McVeigh. McVeigh is incredibly transparent. He has been since

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00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: day one. He gives you injury information and actually no

764
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: one even makes a big deal of it. Like he

765
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: tells you who's playing, He tells you who's playing in

766
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: the preseason. Is not like and I noticed Zach Taylor

767
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: is a little like this too. He's just transparent because

768
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: he's confident and he realizes so much of this stuff

769
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: that coaches aren't transparent about doesn't matter. And I love that.

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Speaker 1: Here's my number one takeaway from that whole exercise. Who

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00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: in the entire football world is capable of criticizing Sean McVeigh.

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00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: You watched that, and you think any analyst on TV,

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00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: anyone writing, anybody on Twitter, you think you're going to

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00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: criticize Sean McVeigh. Luckily no one has. You got a

775
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: little bit of it after the super Bowl. Super Bowl,

776
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: but people criticize And I know I don't think they

777
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: said because it's been all you know, Bouquet's sunshine and

778
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: Bouquet well that that game. Though for me, the Rams

779
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 1: were a little annoying to me because they got good

780
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: so quickly and suddenly everyone was in love. I think

781
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: they're much more intriguing now because they have to show

782
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: they this is when you have to do the job

783
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: of a coach. And McVeigh I think it's shown from

784
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: a personnel and from an organizational standpoint, how strong of

785
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: a leader he is one more real quick one and

786
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: then we gotta go or run a little late today.

787
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: Well well maybe we'll hit on it with Charlie. But

788
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: I'll give my two cents in Daniel Jones, which is

789
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: that if I was a Giants fan, I would love

790
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: what I see because, yeah, I know he's going against

791
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: the second team offense. It's not they're game plan all

792
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: this stuff, but he's doing things like changing the plays,

793
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: changing the tempo, which they did. And young quarterbacks aren't

794
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: necessarily that great at that rookie quarterbacks where they go

795
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: from slow to fast and then back to slow and

796
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: then to fast, and he's doing that. He's going to

797
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: his third read and it's those things you see from

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00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: you don't normally see from a rookie quarterback. He just

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00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: seems very together into perform. It had to turnovers too,

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00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: so I'm not It's not like it was a perfect,

801
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, game form by any means, but man if

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00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: I was a Giants fan, I'd be excited. Uh real quick.

803
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm kind of it in the same boat as you

804
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: guys that I think the Bills could surprise people this year,

805
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: especially if Josh Allen develops and he looked good against

806
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: the Panthers. And keep an eye out of Cole Beasley

807
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: PPR leagues. You forget about that guy. But they they have,

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00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: they've been targeted. He's been targeted six times in the

809
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: two preseason games, six catches for about seven yards. That

810
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: could be a nice combo. I'm treating this like the

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00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: preseason in my own farm team, and I'm trying to

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00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: get Jim Miller at job the game analyst for the

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00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears. He's also on Sirius XM NFL Radio. Former

814
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: UM Bears and Steelers quarterback. This guy is fantastic, plays voice,

815
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: well informed. He's got a genial personality. He knows the

816
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: quarterback position inside and out. He is better like he's

817
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: like tuning into a game at like lambeau Field or

818
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: Mile High. The ambiance is just better when Jim Miller

819
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: is involved. He's better than all but three or four

820
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: guys nationally. I'll stand Brian Baldinger obviously, anyone that loves football.

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Speaker 1: If you're watching his tape work and his breakdowns, they're awesome.

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00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: They're they're brief enough where you can catch a few

823
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: of them, like the day after the games. And I

824
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: thought that he appropriately shredded what he saw from the

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00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions and their last outing, and he go, and

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00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: you can just go, I'll let you go watch it.

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Speaker 1: But he sort of goes case by case on four

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00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,959
Speaker 1: or five players that look completely like they are out

829
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,479
Speaker 1: to lunch, and there are players on the ground wide

830
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: receivers getting hit in the back of ahead because I

831
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: didn't even know the balls coming their way, and I

832
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: realized it's the preseason. But they've got Josh Johnson in

833
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: there running bizarre college scheme stuff that will never be

834
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: used again with Matthew Stafford, and I just enjoyed his rant.

835
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: He just I have questions about the Lions I've had

836
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: for a long time. Where is your identity? What is

837
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: your identity? And he just went into him and I

838
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: kind of liked it it. That's part of where like

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00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: you're sitting all your starters in the preseason, and this

840
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: is what happened. Sometimes you lose your your pretty weak

841
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: backup quarterback Tom Savage. You signed Josh Johnson, you refused

842
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: to play Matthew Stafford, so you played. They played Josh

843
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: Johnson three days after he signed in the preseason game.

844
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: Made him play like most of the game. It's like

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00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: kind and you're charging full price for those games. Give

846
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 1: me a break. At least they they could block somebody

847
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: in that game. Nine sacks in the first game against

848
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: the Patriots. That did pass protect better? Well, yeah, they

849
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: give him that good positive note. The Lions are just

850
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Speaker 1: wasting everyone's time with this preseason, but that's true of

851
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Speaker 1: several teams. All right, good job, guys, good analysis, real pros, pros.

852
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Speaker 1: Let's move on. All right, it's time to welcome a

853
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: very special guest. Last time he was on the show,

854
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: he was in the studio. This time we have to

855
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: settle for the phone. But we're very excited to have him.

856
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: He is a former general manager. He's got he's got

857
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Speaker 1: three Super Bowl rings. Kidding me, super Bowl rings. Well,

858
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: we got one. It's uh, we put that one in

859
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: the back closet because we lost that one. But we've

860
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: got three winners. And there you go, there you go,

861
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Speaker 1: and now you know the voice. Now He works for

862
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Speaker 1: NFL Network as an analyst. Charlie Castley, Welcome back to

863
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: the Around the NFL podcast. Hey, it's not gonna be

864
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: with you guys. Excited about it, absolutely, Charlie. UM, it's

865
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: great to have you on because you're on fire. You've

866
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Speaker 1: got a lot of things you want to talk about

867
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: and and and we want to talk about them with you.

868
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Speaker 1: So we we want to get right to it and

869
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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the Dallas Cowboys, a topic

870
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: that obviously we'll always have a lot of intrigue here. Uh,

871
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: the America's team angle and all that, and they have

872
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: what they have. They have a tricky situation as a

873
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: form GM. Charlie. When you look at the situation, core

874
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: Zeke holding out, DAC wants money reportedly forty million, and

875
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper wants his money. How do you play this? Uh?

876
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: Put put us, put us in the GM shoes here. Well,

877
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: I think in what the Cowboys have done, I would

878
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: have done the same thing. Uh. They've given him all

879
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: really good offers. Uh, Mamari Cooper. Uh, somewhere my guest

880
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: is somewhere to seventeen to eighteen million, because they say

881
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: he's in the top five, so um, I think they

882
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: did the right thing. Then now he has one year

883
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: ago in his contracts, so if he's not signed and

884
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: you have the free agent tag, you can uh the

885
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: franchise take the franchise him next year. My gut is

886
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 1: that thing gets done. Um On Dak, I think they've

887
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: offered him according to reports that I've been able to

888
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: verify over thirty million dollars. Now we'll come back to

889
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: him in a second. Now, Zeke, they offered him number

890
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: two money. Number two money, UH can be anywhere between

891
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: thirteen to fourteen million dollars. Now, have to understand the Cowboys,

892
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: they've never lost the player they wanted. Jerry Jones knows

893
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: how to make a deal. But if nobody's going to

894
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: negotiate with you, and you have to stand still because

895
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: nobody's doing anything, you're only gonna go so far and

896
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna have some room at the end. And remember, now,

897
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: the general manager there has the backing of the owner.

898
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: That's crucial because Jerry's a general manager, so he doesn't

899
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: have to answer to anybody in this thing. That that's

900
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: kind of a unique situation. So I don't see why

901
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: the Zeke thing doesn't get done at some point. What

902
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: I was told is he did not have an intention

903
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: of reporting the training camp. The old savior body trick here.

904
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: Now he loses the credited season because he comes in

905
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: after August fifth or six, or whether that data is

906
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: where that is important in the big pictures. If he

907
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: does that next year, he's not a free agent. Okay,

908
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 1: you only have three credited years, So this is kind

909
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: of the one shot to sit out. But again I

910
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: think there's they're close there. To me, that deal has

911
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: to get done now, dak Here, here's the unique thing

912
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: about him. All the quarterback numbers and all the big

913
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: time players who are up, the thread of the franchise

914
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: tag causes them to get a contract, not their ability.

915
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: Cousins didn't get twenty eight million dollars a year because

916
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: of his ability. He got it because it became a

917
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: free agent, but the franchise numbers kept forcing him up.

918
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: So here's that that team told me estimated twenty nine

919
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: million dollars if they franchise him next year. If he

920
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: doesn't do an extension, then it becomes about thirty five

921
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: million dollars. If he gets to the third year, it

922
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: becomes fifty one million dollars. So the agent says, for

923
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: three franchise tags, that's thirty eight million dollars a year.

924
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: This is all theory, now, okay, but this is what happens.

925
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: See the team. We'll look at two years, twenty nine

926
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: and thirty five for a thirty two million dollar average.

927
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: Most deals come in somewhere around that two year average,

928
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more. Now, is this guy worth

929
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars not? My opinion isn't put them out

930
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: there in the open market. He's not a thirty million

931
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 1: dollar quarterback. But the franchise forces you into either signing

932
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: this guy or finding an alternate. They don't have an alternate.

933
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: The agency he's working for has the history of saying,

934
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: let's go play those franchise tags out. What's gonna happen

935
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: here is Dax got to come in and say to

936
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: the agent, I want to get this deal done. I

937
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: want to be a Cowboys. Guess what thirty plus million

938
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: dollars is enough? Um, And I think that's kind of

939
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. That's my bet. So going back into

940
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: Cowboys did the right thing. Aggressive offers room to work

941
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,959
Speaker 1: very good, y. I mean, if you had to lose

942
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: one of these guys, West, I mean, is it is it?

943
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: Is it conceivable to have all these three these guys

944
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: under big contracts? Is it smart business wise? I mean, well,

945
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: here's your model. See the Colts were the first one

946
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: to do this. They had the highest paid quarterback in football.

947
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: Uh anytime he did a contract. Okay. Then he had

948
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison, Dwight Flaney okay, and all of them were

949
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: big time contract Okay. Edward James he was on a

950
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: rookie contract. He was the fourth guy. It was the cap.

951
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: They were able to win consistently and compete for the

952
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: championship every year. Patriots didn't exist with Belichick, they would

953
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: have want a bunch of more championships. So the formula

954
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: is there with a certain percentage to be a cap

955
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: a lot of to your top players. Now what has

956
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: to happen here, though, is the offense has to be dynamic.

957
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: That the Marcus Lawrence Fitten in there. Okay, so he's

958
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: gonna he's already paid for one pass rusher. Remember the

959
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: Colts had Freeney okay, and they had Mathis, so they

960
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: had a second pass rusher. So what you have to

961
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: do is decide you're gonna win an offense rushed the

962
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: passer and raft well for everybody else, and you won't

963
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: keep everybody else. Maybe you keep a couple more because

964
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: the coast could keep a couple more good players. Have

965
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: we reached a point where every franchise quarterback expects to

966
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: become the highest paid quarterback in the NFL when his

967
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: contract is up. What happened to guys like let's say

968
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton or even Kaepernick, you know, five years of

969
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: go or Alex Smith? Like there was a second tier

970
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: which I believe Dak falls under as a player. What

971
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: happened to that tier? Is it non existent anymore? You know,

972
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: it has uh eliminated itself, And I don't know if

973
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: it comes back. I guess we'll find out if it

974
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: comes back. Because you've got Marcus Mariota, You've got Jamison,

975
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: Jamison Winston. Those guys are in the position really of Dak.

976
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: I mean, they're going to be free agents. The only

977
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: the only reason I disagree with you, Charlie, is that

978
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: I think if Dak actually made the free agent market,

979
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: he would get a thirty five million dollars. See, that's

980
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,959
Speaker 1: the thing with these quarterbacks. You say, they're not. People

981
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: aren't worth it. But if they actually got to an

982
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: open market where there's multiple teams bidding. And I'm with

983
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: you on not really seen Dack necessarily as a top

984
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: ten quarterback at all, but his numbers are great. The

985
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: Cowboys are gonna pay. They kind of know they're gonna pay.

986
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: And if he got out there, just the fact that

987
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: enough teams are missing quarter acts somewhat paying the money

988
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: here as much you're worth, as much as you're gonna get.

989
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: And I do wonder what the next cb A like

990
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: that hanging out over these negotiations, what impact that has

991
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: to Well, I think on the next c b A,

992
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna see a strong pushball the owners to have

993
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: some kind of stronger repercussions about guys under contract not

994
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: showing up. I think that's gonna be high on their

995
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: list now. So you're right, one, it only takes one

996
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: team to pay dat um. When you talk to teams

997
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,919
Speaker 1: that play the Cowboys, they did they want the ball

998
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: in the hands of Dak. They don't want it in

999
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: the hands of Zeke Elliot. That's the guy that beats him.

1000
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: And and Cooper is a good player. Uh, there's other

1001
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: coopers in the league, but they were lacking one and

1002
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: and he made he has made a difference for him.

1003
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: All right, Charlo, let's stick at the category of quarterbacks.

1004
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: And uh, you know you're you're what they call a

1005
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: real tape jockey, right right, Charlie, You're a guy you

1006
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: chew up that tape like no one's ever said that nickname.

1007
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: But go ahead see anyway, But you've been watching these

1008
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks and I'm sure you have some real takes on.

1009
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: We talked about earlier during our news segment about Dwayne

1010
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: Haskins and how the Redskins quarterback situation is shaping up.

1011
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: What have you seen from him through two games. It's

1012
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: kind of a mixed bag. You see the highlights. You

1013
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: see some deep throws, some big time arm throws, You

1014
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: see a little bit of everything positive. You see some

1015
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: timing throws. You see him um make plays outside the pocket,

1016
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: you see him make some few reads. But then you

1017
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: see everything else. The biggest issue we had in two

1018
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: games is inaccuracy, which is his footwork. His footworking the

1019
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: first game was not very good at all. It's it

1020
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: was a little bit better, but he doesn't tend to

1021
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: step through on throws and with his front foot. Therefore,

1022
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: sometimes he's coming off the front foot without his step,

1023
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: he's up on his toes and the ball sales. So

1024
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: that's one Uh you'll see miss reads. Like last week

1025
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 1: he took a sack when people were open. He bailed

1026
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: on a pocket where people were open. Uh. So it's

1027
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 1: it's a combination of inconsistency in all phases. Now they're

1028
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: giving them the entire offense. They're not trying to find

1029
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: something that he can work with. They're giving him everything

1030
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: checks with the line, the long bourbage, all right, and

1031
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: and they're giving him a lot of play time. And

1032
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 1: I think the idea is he's not gonna start the season. Okay,

1033
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: at some point, what's gonna happen. Okay, Tena will start

1034
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: the season. Uh, at some point this guy probably will play.

1035
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: And then you've known what he what he could do

1036
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,919
Speaker 1: and couldn't do in preseason. Now you'll scale it back

1037
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: and and and zero in on the things he could do.

1038
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: For example, I think he's only had one or two

1039
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: r pos. I would think he'll get a lot of

1040
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: RPOs if he has to play. Um, speaking of guys,

1041
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: that would be a dynamic in an RPO situation. Kyler Murray,

1042
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: who's um. A lot of people are excited about Cliff

1043
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: Kingsbury and Murray and Arizona. Now he came back to

1044
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: earth a little bit in the second preseason game. Uh,

1045
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: definitely was unable to move the ball and had some

1046
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: issues with the clap snap Charlie, take us behind the scenes.

1047
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: What do people saying about the clap snap? Is that

1048
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: a real thing to be worried about for a rookie?

1049
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't called the NFL to get their

1050
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: version of it. I guess. Uh, it wasn't an issue

1051
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: when the officials came into practice. It wasn't issue in

1052
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: week one. Uh, it was an issue in week two,

1053
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: and how it was interpreted. When you read the rule,

1054
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: it sounds like it's totally an interpretation of of of

1055
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: what they see on the field. What I saw was

1056
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,439
Speaker 1: in in the first game was not not I didn't

1057
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 1: study everyone, but clap snap, clap snap. Well, you don't

1058
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: think the defense gets gets that, so we'll have to

1059
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: see how they interpret it. You don't know anything to

1060
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: me about this guy in two games. For this reason.

1061
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: Number one, I don't think they're running the offense she's

1062
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: gonna see in week one. Men, Uh, every one of

1063
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: you could have been five out of six throw in

1064
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: the foot, no doubt about six out of six. You

1065
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: see he was that's true down Maybe it was outside

1066
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: the pocket. Now you go to week two. Still to me,

1067
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: they're not running the offense that we're gonna see, the

1068
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: one that he knows. Um, you got a lot of

1069
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: blissing this week. They weren't ready for the blitz. Okay,

1070
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: Now he had two good plays versus pressure. He missed

1071
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: the deep throws. I thought he was affected by the rush.

1072
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 1: He was inaccurate on a bootleg, he bailed with pressure

1073
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: brow and we had an open receiver. So so it

1074
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: was not a good performance at all. But again I

1075
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: don't think there was obviously no game planning, and I'm

1076
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: not sure this is the offense we're gonna see. Let's

1077
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: put you on the spot, then, Um, this isn't the

1078
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: offense we're gonna see. It is Kyler Murley Murray more

1079
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: likely to do what r G three and Kyle Shanahan

1080
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: did to the NFL early in the season, or or

1081
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: is that team so talent deficient that they're likely to

1082
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: struggle coming out of the gates. It's a great question

1083
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: because your second half of it is the appendix to

1084
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,479
Speaker 1: it about uh, you know, they can't stop the run,

1085
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: so people can play ball control and keep him on

1086
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: the bench. Um, and it'd be interesting because they're playing

1087
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: I have in the first two games of Detroit, Patricia

1088
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: is a good coordinator. And then you go to Baltimore,

1089
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: Martin Dale is a good coordinate. When I talk about talent, now,

1090
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: it's about coordinator because you're gonna have to come out

1091
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: and defend something that you're really not sure what you're

1092
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: gonna defend. Baltimore is an edge because at least they'll

1093
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: have some films and uh so that's gonna be the

1094
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: thing there. Uh. I'm excited, Okay, I'm more excited to

1095
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: watch them on opening date any game in the league. Hey, now,

1096
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: just to see what happens. And I don't have a

1097
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: feel how it's gonna go. I really don't, Charlie, this

1098
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: is this is gonna be this is gonna sound sick.

1099
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: But my colleagues, my right, Greg Rosenthal, for half of

1100
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: his life his favorite team, the Patriots, has had Tom

1101
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: Brady carving up the NFL winning rings. It's a disgrace

1102
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: if you ask me to Charlie to have that embarrassment

1103
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: of Richard's and then you know, you and I are

1104
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: going back forth an email before the show figuring out

1105
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: what what we're gonna be talking about, and you've got

1106
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: all these positive notes on Jared Stidham. No, Charlie, I

1107
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: can't have another good day Patriots quarterback. We need a

1108
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: decade of stink coming from that positional room. You know

1109
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Okay, why do still him? Well, this

1110
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: guy is important. Brady's forty two going on thirty two.

1111
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: Looks like he's twenty two. Okay, yeah, that's not suspicious

1112
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: at all, by the way, Charlie, Yeah, you're right, there

1113
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: is something in a joking matter. Now. I mean, the

1114
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: guy doesn't make top dollar and he's forty two and

1115
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: he's still beating people. What it's something here now? Anyway,

1116
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: maybe hey, you know his nicknames, Joe Hardy. Looked at

1117
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: that one up for you. Okay, that that's a joke now,

1118
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: okay Joe Hardy. Alright, alright, google that he'll be interested

1119
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: in research Joe Hardy. But anyway, and it's a joke

1120
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: sports fans, all right, So here's the thing. It's not

1121
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: taken seriously. Brady's a good man, they wouldn't do it.

1122
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, which still Brady doesn't have a

1123
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: contract for next year, which nobody's taking that seriously because

1124
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: Philly he'll be back with the Patriots, but you never know.

1125
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: But somehow they gotta have a guy to replace this

1126
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: guy at some point, and Didams a rookie. So by

1127
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: the time Brady's forty five, see this guy, I'll have

1128
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: some experience. But I was excited about why. I didn't

1129
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: know what I was gonna see. See in college, he

1130
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: had talent to throw, but the pressure kilten. This guy

1131
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: was not good versus pressure. I hadn't had a lot

1132
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: of pressure in New England. First week, a little conservative,

1133
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: but really played well and I did a social post

1134
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: on it. He had Brady help. Brady bounces in the

1135
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: pocket and he never goes anywhere and nobody ever touches

1136
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: him because he's got great sense. This guy kind of

1137
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: looked the same. So he's made good decisions, he's been

1138
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: accurate with the football. Um so I've been impressed with

1139
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: the guy. Now the guy had two interceptions that were dropped. Okay,

1140
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: last week. So the stats are a little deceiving, but

1141
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: overall poise accuracy seems to understand. The offense been a

1142
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: surprise to me. Well, Greg is in you're pumping his fist.

1143
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: Is that this concerns me that it would be sort

1144
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: of a breadth farve to Aaron Rodgers type of off

1145
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: but too early to tell. I imagine before we let

1146
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: you go, Charlie, last thing, Um, you were a member

1147
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: of the Competition committee for eight years. Um, and this

1148
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: past interference rule, which we've talked about on the show.

1149
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: There there seems to be some type of internal power struggle,

1150
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: at least from where we're sitting, where you know, the

1151
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: owners passed this rule after you know, the trauma of

1152
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: the NFC title game, and now the officials the way

1153
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: they're officiating it so far in the preseason. There's an

1154
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: obvious disconnect here. Um, what what have your takeaways been?

1155
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: And if you were still on the competition committee, Uh,

1156
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: if knowing what you know now midway through August, would

1157
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: you have gotten behind this? Here's what would have happened.

1158
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: I was the most liberal guy on the committee. I

1159
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: was yes on every instant replay vot. I didn't even

1160
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: hear the question I've ordered yet, Okay, the opposite of

1161
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: Mike Brown, Mike and I tuned Mike and I just

1162
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 1: can'tl each It was like Samuel Jackson and Bruce Wilson, unbreakable.

1163
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: There had to be each side of the spectrum. All right,

1164
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: you want history in the national foot Paul and get

1165
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: them on. They will never come on. But he's a

1166
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: tremendous the story and a tremendous person. Now here's the thing. Um.

1167
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: I would have been liberal. And then I saw the

1168
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: tape that we saw uh at our NFL network summit,

1169
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: and I sat there and said, and I sent a

1170
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: text to somebody at the at the high level of

1171
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: the NFL. I said, this is a mess. Okay, it is.

1172
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: I would never have voted for it. The obvious one

1173
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: is obvious. Now. We were always told one play does

1174
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: not change the rule. You have to have a history

1175
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: of it. And as I sat there, and I remember,

1176
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: I I know how they think. And I said, I

1177
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: saw it, and I said, no, that's that's it. And

1178
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: and Alan, I couldn't agree on it, right, He's saying, no,

1179
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: that's the other one. Well, the way the committee works

1180
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: is we would sit there and vote on these things.

1181
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: And if we were getting seven eight no, which that's

1182
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: what it would take to change something, then we would

1183
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: change it and tell the officials that are officiating, this

1184
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: is how you're calling it based on what we see.

1185
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: A lot of time there was a disconnect because the

1186
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: officials don't want to take that advice. Here's what I

1187
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,439
Speaker 1: see happen. Number one, I'd never have this because there's

1188
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: too many what ifs in it. It's not clear. Okay.

1189
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna go with the clear one and

1190
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: everything else. They're gonna stay in line, and then they're

1191
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: gonna stay where it is. That's my gut on this thing.

1192
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: That's that's that's what I think they've been told to do.

1193
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: I don't know that's gonna happen. It's gonna vary from crew.

1194
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: One last thing on it. The Redskin game last week.

1195
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: This is now. I'm watching it on television like all

1196
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: of us would. Again, there's a call offensive past interference.

1197
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: The replay shows the receiver coming back for the ball. Okay,

1198
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. However, the flag was thrown on

1199
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: twenty yards ahead of it. The TV crew doesn't know that,

1200
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: and there's no coverage on the TV copy to show

1201
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: it so they can't overturn it. So they say the

1202
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: call holds, and everybody on television is confused. You know.

1203
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: I texted the league and the league cleared up, but

1204
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: I went on television. So here's something. As a coach,

1205
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: I see this. I think that's the penalty against my player.

1206
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: Coming back, I sort of flag, well, guess what, it's

1207
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: not it. There's something on their so they lose the call.

1208
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: There um to me, there's too many ones that you

1209
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: can't be sure on that the official is going to

1210
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: see it the same way. I would never vote it

1211
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: to this, and I was a liberal, alright, and I

1212
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: proposed it too. Charlie, all right, Joe Hardy. Who's Joe Hardy?

1213
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: He's from the Hardy Boys, right, Oh my god, come

1214
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: on you guys, what what's okay? What? They have many

1215
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: Yankee fans there from Damn Yankees, but I'm not familiar

1216
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: with that. That play it's from It's from Damn Yankee.

1217
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: Joe Hardy is a Washington Senator fan. The Senators are

1218
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: in the last place. The devil comes to him and says,

1219
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: I can give you the pennant. Joe, tell your soul

1220
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: to me, he sells his soul, and then Joe Hardy

1221
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: turns into this young guy nobody ever heard of, walks out,

1222
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, walks out of the sticks by you know,

1223
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: Field of Dreams in Iowa, and all of a sudden

1224
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: starts hitting the home runs and drives the Senators all

1225
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: the way. And this is what I don't remember. The

1226
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: punish line is he's rounding third base when I guess

1227
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: the home run to put up in the World Series,

1228
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he turns into Joe Hardy again.

1229
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: No old guys drinking to be watching the game. And

1230
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how it ends. The old devil hasn't

1231
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,959
Speaker 1: caught up to Tom yet. Wait, so who's Joe Hardy,

1232
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: Jared Stidham or Tom Brady? I hope that Brady was

1233
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: just Brady and sid Joe Hardy. We got another twenty years.

1234
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: This is a joke, Okay. Tom Brady's a good, uh

1235
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: family Christian man. I'm sure Charlie has to say that.

1236
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: I don't. Okay, So you choose which side do you

1237
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: want to believe? Charlie Castley, You're the man NFL Network

1238
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: follow him on Twitter? What is that Twitter handle? Again Charlie,

1239
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 1: Charlie Castilely and Charlie's eliey Strong Instagram game as well.

1240
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: Charlie gets it bottom line all right, Thank you man,

1241
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: Thank you Charlie. About Charlie, I was in the weeds

1242
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: there on Joe Hardy, I gotta be honest with you,

1243
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: but it makes a lot of sense. There's no one,

1244
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: there's no one like Charlie that means to me that

1245
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: when he said sports fans, that was my favorite. Yes,

1246
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: you see sports fans. He keeps certain things alive, like

1247
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: my my uncle Bill, who would come to family parties

1248
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: and and we'd be shooting hoops in my driveway. Uh,

1249
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: and he'd come out and and hit ten out of

1250
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: ten underhanded free throws. Like there are people like Charlie.

1251
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: They're keeping things alive. And one of them is Joe

1252
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: Hardy references saying things like sports fans see uh and

1253
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: we love having ty and but West by the way,

1254
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: you are correct. One of the Hardy one of the

1255
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: the boys sleuth, the Hardy Boys was Joe Hardy, also

1256
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: one of the Shoulder Yeah. He was also an entrepreneur

1257
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: and the founder and CEO of eighty four Lumber Company.

1258
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,479
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I had to go back further even

1259
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: than the Hardy Boys Charlie's reference, um what finally found

1260
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: somebody on the show deeper us. I feel about him

1261
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: the same, how confused we are Dennis Miller announcing, yes,

1262
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 1: I get your shot. Shout all right, we'll be back

1263
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. And remember Wednesday is yes, and we got

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Speaker 1: a big fish, and we got a huge fish. Reel

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Speaker 1: am in, Come on in. Evan Silva is getting in

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Speaker 1: the boat formerly a broad o World, now of established

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Speaker 1: the Run, which is a hot new website and scarning

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Speaker 1: sound effect that we've incorporated that is a real it

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Speaker 1: is I feel like you're disconnected from the frame. And

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Speaker 1: if people don't like and people only know Evan through

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Speaker 1: his Twitter account, I mean he is a real big fish,

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Speaker 1: just physically maybe the largest man writing about football in

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Speaker 1: these entire United States. And arguably he's like the game.

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Speaker 1: It's like Nate, So I think his breath of knowledge

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Speaker 1: is up there with everyone. He's got his hand in

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Speaker 1: college football, the draft, analytics, fantasy football gambling. So when

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Speaker 1: we have our annual fantasy extravaganza, we get the biggest

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Speaker 1: fish in the boat. So we'll have Evan on the

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Speaker 1: show Wednesday. Excited about that. So with all your drafts

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Speaker 1: coming up, UM be excited and a return of course

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Speaker 1: to Mark's fantasy corner, which I understand. There's been some gentrification,

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Speaker 1: you know, listen, I can't I can't control the way

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Speaker 1: neighborhoods grow and evolved, but there has been some changes.

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Speaker 1: Well we'll get to that, i'm sure on Wednesday as well.

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Speaker 1: All right, we should all rate Sully's closet for our

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Speaker 1: favorite fishing shirt in advance of the show. Absolutely, um

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Speaker 1: we miss you saw. All right, let's go. This is

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Speaker 1: Dan hans Is signing off for Quiet Storm, the mail Man,

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Speaker 1: the old Boss, Rick Hollywood behind the Glass. Thanks again

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Speaker 1: to Charlie Cassily. Can you not what Rick? I was one?

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Speaker 1: Now long know the faith