Speaker 1: Also media.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, howdy boy, goodness gracious Jiminy Christmas behind the
Speaker 2: Bastards back yet again with our friend Jason Petty aka
Speaker 2: prop Jason. I'm doing the thing that I do sometimes,
Speaker 2: or at least I did the thing while we were
Speaker 2: on our break and I was I was eating some
Speaker 2: scrambled eggs with dried Chantrells, delightful breakfast. It is two
Speaker 2: forty three in the afternoon, where I was like looking
Speaker 2: at Facebook, which I do about once a week. It's
Speaker 2: a bad thing to do, but there's there's like family
Speaker 2: and friends from years ago that I haven't seen in
Speaker 2: fifteen years that it's the only way I know of
Speaker 2: making sure they're all still alive without actually talking to them,
Speaker 2: and God knows I'm not going to do that, absolutely not.
Speaker 2: Whenever you hop onto the old Facebook, you get a
Speaker 2: bunch of fascinating ads that I got one today from
Speaker 2: the Daily Wire people for Jeremy's razors, which they who's
Speaker 2: oh the Jeremy razors. Yeah yeah, not woke. Don't buy
Speaker 2: from a razor you Yeah, I don't think any razor
Speaker 2: brand hates me.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, nobody's critical race theory.
Speaker 2: These are these are razors or not for women. They're
Speaker 2: for conservative men. And that's convinced me. Prop you know,
Speaker 2: look that this is this is silly and shameless. But
Speaker 2: also look, I like money as much as the next guy.
Speaker 2: So what if I try to get into the opposite
Speaker 2: side of this business, right, but instead of like razors,
Speaker 2: that's lame, that's not a thing anyone associates with ideology.
Speaker 2: Not not really. I want to take products that are
Speaker 2: traditionally associated with a political ideology in this country and
Speaker 2: then find a way to sell it to the opposite
Speaker 2: side of the population, because that's how you make a
Speaker 2: lot of money. So, for example, I'm going to start
Speaker 2: manufacturing and selling an AR fifteen that we only sell
Speaker 2: to people who in the last week have cried at
Speaker 2: a sunrise. M hm, I see. I feel like that's
Speaker 2: a woke gun. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel like you're leaving money on the table by
Speaker 3: not doing this. Like this should have happened.
Speaker 2: It's too good a business.
Speaker 3: It's seasons ago we should have been we should have
Speaker 3: been selling woke weapons. Yeah for a long time.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely what I'm saying. Yeah, reproduction German military gear
Speaker 2: that we only sell to people who have volunteered at
Speaker 2: a soup kitchen that week, Right, you know you have
Speaker 2: to have you have to have proven to us.
Speaker 3: Listen, you had to have cried white tears, like at
Speaker 3: some point you know what I'm saying, Like you said,
Speaker 3: I served at a soup kitchen. Right, you feel like
Speaker 3: like at some point you've you've yelled at a Karen,
Speaker 3: Like you had to have had put in your work
Speaker 3: to prove the t a comrade, Now I'm with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, go volunteer at the border and you two
Speaker 2: can buy a Volkswagen Type one sixty six shwim in Wagen.
Speaker 2: I do actually want one of those. It's one of
Speaker 2: those cars you can drive in the water.
Speaker 3: Those cars are pretty dope.
Speaker 2: They're pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Look, it's not the fault. It's not the car's fault
Speaker 2: that the cars.
Speaker 3: But shout out to all our guns. Since we're gonna
Speaker 3: be talking to guns.
Speaker 2: We're back talking about Yeah, Apollo Kiballoy talking about syl Yeah.
Speaker 2: In the last episode, I explained that Apollo had named
Speaker 2: himself the appointed son of God. As he drew in
Speaker 2: more followers and his church expanded into a multinational cult,
Speaker 2: the story he told about himself expanded to he began
Speaker 2: claiming to his followers that God had visited his mother
Speaker 2: in the form of a cloud to declare Apollo his son,
Speaker 2: which is arguably nicer than the way. You probably have
Speaker 2: a better memory of this. That seems nicer than how
Speaker 2: he told Mary and Joseph.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, you know. That's that's the the angel showing
Speaker 3: up while you was a virgin, like just really like
Speaker 3: like yeah, I Mary, you like yo, this is a
Speaker 3: real heavy lift dog like can you tell Joseph.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, then you're then you're making peace
Speaker 2: with like I'm about to have a kid. And also
Speaker 2: it's God, sir, Listen, I don't even do the good part.
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, Joseph, I love you. I love you. I
Speaker 3: swear to God. This child is God.
Speaker 2: Speaking of God. He's got something to say speaking of God.
Speaker 2: Yeah now so yeah, I don't know. Cloud. That seems nice, soothing.
Speaker 2: While Apollo had started his career as just another Pentecostal
Speaker 2: preacher when he broke away and declared himself the new
Speaker 2: son of God, he also declared, and this is classic
Speaker 2: classic cult leader form, that all other churches on Earth
Speaker 2: are invalid, fundamentally broken institution. Here it is Yeah, yeah, now,
Speaker 2: He's got an interesting reason for this prop which is
Speaker 2: that every other Christian church on earth is bad because
Speaker 2: they all embrace the concept of the trinity. And oh,
Speaker 2: this is a little wonky. I'm curious for your take
Speaker 2: on this, because I'm yeah, I understand about this. People's
Speaker 2: wars over yeah, I think so, yes, yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: The trinity denies the oneness of God because it suggests
Speaker 2: that he is God's son, is somehow separate and less
Speaker 2: divine than God himself. I think that's the point you got.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a yeah, yeah, that's actually like, so if
Speaker 3: there are all four black people that listen to this show,
Speaker 3: uh so TD Jakes, right, TD Jakes is a oneness
Speaker 3: pentacostag I wish.
Speaker 2: I could see.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's a video showy, y'all see I just did,
Speaker 3: oh man, But yeah, TD Jakes is like a oneness Pentecostal,
Speaker 3: and like that's kind of a thing to be like.
Speaker 3: And then to argue that, like the term trinity is
Speaker 3: not in the Bible, like that's something that came much
Speaker 3: later to describe what theologians called the triune God, God
Speaker 3: being one in essence expressed in three different persons. And
Speaker 3: but the idea that they are actually three sets brit
Speaker 3: persons is not biblical. Yeah, one is Pentecostal. So if
Speaker 3: you you believe in the Trinity, you're clearly not reading
Speaker 3: the Bible.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you've gotten taken in by like a cult, right, Yes,
Speaker 2: as opposed to the cult that yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Listen.
Speaker 2: Listen to the man of God that's sleeping with your daughter. Yes,
Speaker 2: I mean very much. Literally listen to the man because
Speaker 2: we're going to play a segment from a documentary about
Speaker 2: the church here, so you can see him explain this
Speaker 2: and his Oh my.
Speaker 3: God, I can't wait. Hold on. Let me, Yeah, you
Speaker 3: gotta get my pulso in sagging, Let me give my
Speaker 3: let me, let me get my spam, and let me
Speaker 3: get my spam in rice. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: and my spoon and eating my rice to ketch up.
Speaker 2: I'm just doing a whole lot of fire right now.
Speaker 3: Is phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Hawaiian too, We.
Speaker 4: Are in I saw a seventiit countries and sevent nationalities.
Speaker 1: Three million. I just clarify, pastor, this is not a religion.
Speaker 3: It's a movement.
Speaker 2: Some of.
Speaker 3: You look deeper. It's a spiritual work. For me, again
Speaker 3: as someone with the Filipino stepmom, this accent is very warm.
Speaker 3: So hearing his thick, hearing both of them speak very thick,
Speaker 3: like with the thick to godlic, it's like it's just
Speaker 3: warm to me. So I was just I still smile
Speaker 3: when I hear the accent, even though I know he's
Speaker 3: about to talk about some.
Speaker 2: Great good news. We got some more stuff that's going
Speaker 2: to make you smile here.
Speaker 3: It's not the religion, like yeah, okay, I do love it.
Speaker 2: You get that a lot. That's like a very American
Speaker 2: thing too, and like yeah, especially like an American Pentecostal
Speaker 2: thing where like yeah, Christianity are Christian is not.
Speaker 3: A religion, right, it's a religion. Ser Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So when we talk about these kind of pastor bastards,
Speaker 3: which is actually I haven't wait a minute for but
Speaker 3: that's fun.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: Did you wait?
Speaker 2: There was as Yeah, that just hit. I'd written it,
Speaker 2: but I hadn't realized how fun it was to say.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, pastor bastards, pastor bass this is you've
Speaker 3: just created as you've you've just expanded the Behind the
Speaker 3: Bastards universe, and you've created a sub genre pastor pastor bastards,
Speaker 3: you just create. Oh my god, I witnessed his teammate
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the we A crack has gone down
Speaker 2: into the center of the earth from that dude, maybe
Speaker 2: maybe just created could like yeah, I like that Methra.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, just to take let's take her down a peg.
Speaker 2: It's been like ten thousand years, it's time.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: So uh.
Speaker 2: I always try to find an example of like a
Speaker 2: pastor bastard talking right preaching, because I you know, you
Speaker 2: just kind of have to see it. And I think
Speaker 2: this clip from his his his one of one of
Speaker 2: his all time hits, this is his White album, a
Speaker 2: sermon called Soaring as an Eagle in the Dimension of Faith.
Speaker 3: Gives you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a title that gives you an idea of
Speaker 2: two key things. How very American the way he preaches is, yes,
Speaker 2: and how focused his sermons are on the subject of
Speaker 2: Apollo Kivaloid being pretty fucking cool when.
Speaker 4: It's the state of innocence. You don't think evil of
Speaker 4: me anymore, You don't think negative of me anymore. You
Speaker 4: don't judge me according to your own human, three dimensional
Speaker 4: perspective anymore. You look at me. As you look at yourself,
Speaker 4: you became spiritual. That's why you look at me spiritually.
Speaker 4: The way you look at me is the way you are.
Speaker 4: How many if you think I am the most spiritual
Speaker 4: person on earth, that is now who you are?
Speaker 2: Amazing? Really, that's a good realm amazing, that's a good raising.
Speaker 3: That is the most penici person.
Speaker 4: Do you trust me? Those who trusted me and believe
Speaker 4: in me until now one hundred percent raise your hands.
Speaker 4: That's how you are in the sight of the party.
Speaker 2: I love that. What percent? I really want to drill?
Speaker 2: Do you trust me?
Speaker 3: But let's get some numbers out here. Lie the notes
Speaker 3: this guy is playing. I mean, this is felonious monk
Speaker 3: level of notes. He's playing like this, dudeify him first
Speaker 3: of all, you fan, like huge fan. No notes, but
Speaker 3: like there's some there's some stuff missing here, Like for
Speaker 3: some reason, Pentecostals believe because purple is the color of royalty.
Speaker 3: So when you walk into a lot of black churches,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be purple everywhere. Right the fact that you
Speaker 3: already do you notice the color of the chirn on
Speaker 3: the bottom, you know what I'm saying. So there's that right,
Speaker 3: the white is the holiness. And if you can see
Speaker 3: in the thing right now, what color that man tie?
Speaker 3: What color is that man's tie? In the cut? You
Speaker 3: understand what's happening right now? He playing notes, y'all. Oh,
Speaker 3: I'm so excited. How I do not notice?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 3: I'm so mad I don't already notice. Man.
Speaker 2: I have an unfortunate note on the purple thing prop
Speaker 2: which is that about a year or so ago, maybe
Speaker 2: I was on some gas station drugs, maybe I wasn't
Speaker 2: entirely sober. I was buying sheets for myself, and I
Speaker 2: bought what I thought was going to be a very nice,
Speaker 2: like dark purple. And to make a long story short,
Speaker 2: my entire bed has these eucalyptus sheets that I can
Speaker 2: only describe as the inside of a pimpscape. I actually
Speaker 2: just replaced them the day because there was a hole
Speaker 2: in them. But yeah, it was. It was like one
Speaker 2: of those mistakes where it's like, well, I can't return
Speaker 2: these and this is just a mistake, and the terrible mistake.
Speaker 3: Are they silk? Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, they were. These ones were eucalyptus, which
Speaker 2: I don't buy it ages ship. Yeah, not like silk
Speaker 2: where it can hold up.
Speaker 3: You know, if you had silk purple like your new name,
Speaker 3: I know, I know, you would have to change on
Speaker 3: You'd have to have a name your name is, you know,
Speaker 3: small change, Robbie, small change, Willy from Philly. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like you, Jason, I would have already been indicted on racketeering.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you already have a reco ha yes it be.
Speaker 3: There'd be no way I would question all of my
Speaker 3: interactions with you after going to the Portland Crab. I
Speaker 3: would be like, you know what I'm seeing all this
Speaker 3: much differently.
Speaker 2: Now clip we should uh and I what?
Speaker 3: Hell?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Self, you just take it, just take it.
Speaker 3: How many of you trust me?
Speaker 4: Only fifty percent? Raise your hands, don't be ashamed. If
Speaker 4: you trust fifty percent only, that is who you are.
Speaker 4: You're gonna trust yourself. Your trust is only fifty percent
Speaker 4: to yourself, and the fifty percent you canna trust yourself.
Speaker 4: So the ownership of you is fifty percent to God
Speaker 4: and fifty percent to the devil. That cannot be because
Speaker 4: there is no fellowship between light and.
Speaker 3: Darkness, and darkness ye already soul of you or the devil.
Speaker 4: That's no partnership. If is fifty to fifty, he preaches
Speaker 4: that is partnership between God and the devil. No, the
Speaker 4: present is mine fifty persent, iss you yours, let us
Speaker 4: profit sharing. No profit sharing in the sadom of the
Speaker 4: universe and in humanity. That's right, the devil, Oh soul
Speaker 4: of your Then comes your voice and cli ownership one
Speaker 4: of the all of you or none of the.
Speaker 2: Man Listen, he's not bad at what he does. He's
Speaker 2: doing what he does.
Speaker 3: He's doing it.
Speaker 2: Listen, where can what he does?
Speaker 3: Yes, where light is darkness cannot abide. Either you belong
Speaker 3: to Jesus or your soul belonged to Satans. So if
Speaker 3: you trust me, man boy, and he keeps saying, it's
Speaker 3: in the spirit, it's in the spirit, the spirit, listen.
Speaker 3: Like we there's a running joke about like merch talks
Speaker 3: about it too, like with with the Underground Rappers, how
Speaker 3: everything is like lyrically. So I'm like, I'm gonna lyrically
Speaker 3: murder your mom. Like so if you just throw lyrically
Speaker 3: in front of it, it's fine, Yeah, exactly lyrically.
Speaker 2: You can't crack that one exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: So you mean lyrically. You know, yeah, I just some
Speaker 3: murdered your daughter lyrically, right. So so for him to
Speaker 3: be like, it's in the spirit, it's in a spirit.
Speaker 3: It's like if whatever you trust in the spirit is
Speaker 3: who you are on earth as it is in heaven. Boy,
Speaker 3: he cook, it is cook. He's just being like, yes, amen, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's a that's a professional. You gotta
Speaker 2: give it. And then it shouldn't give him much because
Speaker 2: again pedophile, but he's he knows what he's doing when
Speaker 2: he gets up a fucking pulpit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, now that he's been arrested, Sophie, do you think
Speaker 2: we could buy that room like his compound and just
Speaker 2: kind of move the podcast over to the Philippines, you know,
Speaker 2: broadcast from Mount Oppo, maybe slowly start a chair a cult.
Speaker 1: Does it come with the outfit?
Speaker 3: Uh, the fit's got to come with it.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a decent shit. I feel like
Speaker 2: it's probably pretty affordable to get stuff tailored in the
Speaker 2: Philippines a TBN in.
Speaker 1: Would you wear the outfit?
Speaker 2: I don't think i'd have a choice in that room.
Speaker 2: That's a room you wear a white suit.
Speaker 3: You have to wear a white suit a post.
Speaker 2: We'll have to reach out to the men's wear guy.
Speaker 2: But I kind of think that that's a pretty good fit.
Speaker 2: Like he's not a bad fitting suit. Yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: not an expert on these things.
Speaker 3: Kind of a no brainer. Yeah, Like, if you're doing that,
Speaker 3: you got to do that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, bro, all.
Speaker 3: Listen now that I see it. Yeah, he's hitting. He's
Speaker 3: firing all cylinders, like he knows what he's up. He's
Speaker 3: firing on every Thank you for giving me a fun
Speaker 3: episode I didn't.
Speaker 2: Think aside from the horrible, horrible sex traffic. Yeah, besides that,
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's a little more fun than Thomas
Speaker 2: Jefferson at least.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Thomas Jefferson and The Lost Cause.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. Anyway, as we've noted, a key aspect
Speaker 2: of the theology that he's cobbled together here is the
Speaker 2: idea that all other forms of authority are invalid, not
Speaker 2: just other churches, but other political institutions. Now this is
Speaker 2: not so unique among cult leaders, but the way he
Speaker 2: came to explain these beliefs to his people I do
Speaker 2: find interesting. In short, followers of KOJC are their own
Speaker 2: nation right, which, by the early two thousands is at
Speaker 2: least three millions strong, and they should have no other
Speaker 2: allegiances and certainly had no responsibility to follow the petty
Speaker 2: laws of whatever country they happened to be it.
Speaker 3: Oh, hey, we're part of the Kingdom, Like it's a
Speaker 3: nation of followers of the Kingdom, a holy nation of
Speaker 3: joint heirs. I'm a part of the Kingdom of God.
Speaker 3: I am not in this world. I don't have to
Speaker 3: make the cause of man. Yeah, we make our.
Speaker 2: Own license plates, driver's licenses. Now you can get an
Speaker 2: idea of how this was transmitted to his followers by
Speaker 2: visiting the Kingdom of Jesus Christ website, which on the
Speaker 2: day I visited, looked like this, so you can see. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can see like a lot of purple as you noted. Uh,
Speaker 2: And there's a couple of different quotes on it. One,
Speaker 2: I will not succumb to the temptation of being weak.
Speaker 2: I will stand and defend my obedience to the Father's will.
Speaker 2: And then words of the Sun, which is Apollo. In
Speaker 2: whatever situation and circumstance you find yourself in, remain loyal
Speaker 2: to him, even unto death. Him clearly being Apollo. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that is that does look like a guy because he
Speaker 2: this got put up on the website as he was
Speaker 2: being like basically hemmed in by law enforcement before his arrest.
Speaker 2: That does look like a guy trying to do a
Speaker 2: branch davidian Y, you know, yeah like that, that's a
Speaker 2: guy trying to wake O.
Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all right, like you remember, Yeah, it's us till
Speaker 3: the whales fall off, and that's you know.
Speaker 2: I'm torn on this because obviously I can't go to
Speaker 2: bat for this man. He's a sex criminal. But also,
Speaker 2: you know our motto at this podcast abw always be wacoing.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, listen a bad reason, Sophie.
Speaker 3: There are there are qualities.
Speaker 1: I just look at a really nice break from Robert
Speaker 1: bringing up Waco all the time, and I feel like
Speaker 1: that streak is now broken.
Speaker 2: I was always bringing it up in my heart so.
Speaker 1: Well, I know, but like I didn't have to hear that.
Speaker 2: See, yeah, I was. I was living a lie because
Speaker 2: fifty percent of my heart was for Waco and fifty
Speaker 2: percent of it was for this show, and that means
Speaker 2: that runs for Waco, right And yeah, Ron, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 2: you're right. Maybe the same math doesn't work for me.
Speaker 3: No, I feel it. It's because it's in the spirit.
Speaker 3: It's in the spirit. It's in the spirit. It's one
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty is still one hundred in the spirit? Yeah,
Speaker 3: l Ron Hubbard and uh yeah.
Speaker 2: Taylor what is it? Taylor Hey? Who the fuck was
Speaker 2: the tailor in that in that Waco.
Speaker 1: Show, Sophie was the handsome man from uh Friday Night Lights?
Speaker 1: What's his name? I got you on?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's defined.
Speaker 2: Round Hubbard play in a rock concert as the FBI
Speaker 2: burns the building down.
Speaker 1: It's Taylor Kitch.
Speaker 2: Taylor Kitch. I knew there was a name, and not
Speaker 2: Taylor Hanson. Who the fuck am I thought? I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's that weird right wing freak. I don't know it
Speaker 2: was a Taylor. I'm sorry, Taylor Kitch. I'm also sorry
Speaker 2: David Koresh. Anyway, when it came to the laws that
Speaker 2: most vexed the Son of God, the very top of
Speaker 2: the list was restrictions on immigration because his cult had
Speaker 2: brought him tremendous wealth, and he'd spit some of it
Speaker 2: on a private jet a mansion in prop what city
Speaker 2: in California? I think he picked for his mansion in
Speaker 2: southern California, Calabasas, same calabass Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Same but old money, new money, sorry very much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the valley. Now that's the value.
Speaker 2: Right right now. He wanted to be able to bring
Speaker 2: his pastorals with him for you know, but the Audioigration
Speaker 2: Service does not take I want to have a sex
Speaker 2: slave as a valid reason to hand out a work visa,
Speaker 2: so honor. About nineteen ninety eight, the KOJC founded the
Speaker 2: Children's Joy Foundation, And boy, I don't like that name.
Speaker 3: Oh God, that's rough.
Speaker 2: That one's rough.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The stated goal of the CJF was providing quote, children
Speaker 2: in the Philippines with various residential services, medical, psychosocial, educational
Speaker 2: support to harness their potential in community and nation building.
Speaker 2: Now I cannot tell you if the CUJF ever had
Speaker 2: a real purpose that resembled this, but by two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven, Apollo had hit upon the idea of using
Speaker 2: it as a way to hide the movement of large
Speaker 2: numbers of followers, particularly young female followers, across borders and
Speaker 2: into the United States. CJF, which was registered as a
Speaker 2: nonprofit five oh one C three in the state of
Speaker 2: California with an office in Glendale and he began bringing
Speaker 2: in workers from the Philippines. A federal indictment alleges that
Speaker 2: these workers spent long hours illegally soliciting money for KOJC
Speaker 2: outside of businesses across the United States. KOJC administrators also
Speaker 2: imposed mandatory daily cash solicitation quotas on such CHOJC workers.
Speaker 2: At the direction of KOJC administrators, the COOJC workers represented
Speaker 2: to the public that donated money would be used by
Speaker 2: CJF to help impoverish children, when in fact the money
Speaker 2: directly financed KOJC operations and the lavish lifestyle of KOJC leaders,
Speaker 2: in particular Apollo. So these were large numbers of followers
Speaker 2: brought to the US from the Philippines who would solicit
Speaker 2: stand outside of businesses and shops and ask for money
Speaker 2: for poor kids in the Philippines, oring photos of suffering
Speaker 2: children information about how much your money could help them.
Speaker 2: And all of that money was being used either to
Speaker 2: just like pay for these mansions or literally to directly
Speaker 2: paid for the system by which he imported young women
Speaker 2: and girls in order to molest them like that was
Speaker 2: paid for by these donations to help poor kids in
Speaker 2: the Philippines. That's what the CJF was yeah, got that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's hideous, oh God. To get these non immigrant visas,
Speaker 2: Apollo's top lieutenants who manage the scheme, falsified visa applications
Speaker 2: to claim that the workers were needed to help run
Speaker 2: concerts in order to keep their workers legal once they
Speaker 2: entered the country, They next obtained student visas and force
Speaker 2: them to attend minimal course loads at local colleges in
Speaker 2: order to maintain their status. According to the indictment, these
Speaker 2: students would attend college one day per week and then
Speaker 2: spend the remainder of their week soliciting for church fund
Speaker 2: so at least they get a little bit of an education.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, yeah, be a nurse like Tita Rose, but like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, to take you a while to get your yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: speaking of a nursing degree. If you just want become
Speaker 5: a nurse, buy any of the products and services that
Speaker 5: support our podcast and you will be hired. You know,
Speaker 5: you can learn on the job most of that kind
Speaker 5: of stuff like setting an ivy easy, you know, surgical aid,
Speaker 5: you know, assistant fine, right, no problem at all, all
Speaker 5: kinds of stuff that you learn on the job, just
Speaker 5: to just figure it out.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: The truth is like, yeah, some stuff you just can't
Speaker 3: learn in the classroom like you have to. You have
Speaker 3: to do it.
Speaker 2: Like what medicine does. Yeah, just try it, you know, listen,
Speaker 2: That's what I do is I just buy medicine. Give
Speaker 2: it to people. See how it works.
Speaker 3: Doctors are really they're detectives. They're detectives.
Speaker 2: They're not exact detective detectives. How many tail in all
Speaker 2: can you put in a person's cake? And what does
Speaker 2: it do to them?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: These are all questions that medical science has answered, thanks
Speaker 2: to me, you know, for myself. Anyway, here's ads ah,
Speaker 2: I did just have a nice tile in all cake
Speaker 2: prop You know you now know this?
Speaker 3: Are you now bousolg? That means full? Peah, I'm full?
Speaker 3: And you know the man doesn't want you to know this.
Speaker 3: The woke liberal media won't tell you this. But the more,
Speaker 3: if you eat enough thailand all, he becomes superhuman. It's
Speaker 3: like eating a bunch of those zen pouches. Right.
Speaker 2: When you mix enough nicotine and thailand all, then you
Speaker 2: gain the ability to to see through the matrix, which
Speaker 2: I have done. And all it took was vomiting up
Speaker 2: blood a couple of months in a row.
Speaker 3: I figured that what is that new? Uh? I mean
Speaker 3: it's like the new uh the little chew pouches that
Speaker 3: you just that coming, little little white pouches that you
Speaker 3: put in your in your jaw, look like look like
Speaker 3: little little gun. So yeah, that's like the zen's right,
Speaker 3: Is that what they call zens?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I think that's what that be.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, man, y'all loved him, and I
Speaker 3: could see you mixing that with with some with some
Speaker 3: thailand all and being a superhuman And now you can
Speaker 3: like fly fish better than everybody.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, fly fishing like the thing you'd gain the
Speaker 2: ability to do for that su He's not fly fishing
Speaker 2: prop No, he is. I'm not really interested in it.
Speaker 2: He is sex trafficking.
Speaker 3: He is being disgusting.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So uh if the whole go to college one
Speaker 2: day a week and then solicit funds for the KOJC
Speaker 2: was too complicate, complex or expensive. There was another way
Speaker 2: to allow his followers to stay in the US as
Speaker 2: long as he needed them, which was to fuck with
Speaker 2: who they were married to. Right, Apollo would simply order
Speaker 2: followers to marry like so could because he's got churches
Speaker 2: now in southern California. He would order his US followers
Speaker 2: sometimes to divorce their existing spouses and then to marry
Speaker 2: a Filipino follower so they could immigrate to the country
Speaker 2: under a marriage visa. One of his chief lieutenants, Duenas,
Speaker 2: was responsible for organizing divorces for the followers selected for
Speaker 2: this duty, who happened to be married already. Now shitt' up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's fucked up.
Speaker 3: If you'll pass, the calls you into the office and say, hey, son,
Speaker 3: I think the Lord has given me time to split
Speaker 3: the vision.
Speaker 2: I don't think this is working out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Lord wants you to marry her,
Speaker 3: and I don't think that woman is the one that
Speaker 3: God shows you. Yeah, that is not your ruth. You
Speaker 3: are not his bow ass. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 3: oh word, okay, Yeah, I thought we wasn't sposed to divorce,
Speaker 3: didn't Jesus say we wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not not if not if the pastor needs
Speaker 2: more money. Right, that's that's that's in there. One of
Speaker 2: the translations King James just missed it. But one of
Speaker 2: the earlier translations nailed is God still speaking. The Lord
Speaker 2: spoke in the past and he's still speaking now. He's
Speaker 2: speaking to his prophet now, and he's telling you to divorce.
Speaker 2: One of the dead Sea Squall scrolls is just about
Speaker 2: five oh one C three, says I'm telling you man.
Speaker 2: So setting up sham relationships is not light work. As
Speaker 2: the indictment notes, quote, defendants Duennas and de Leon, who
Speaker 2: are two of his high up assistants, would prepare and
Speaker 2: fire and file divorce paperwork on behalf of the KOJC workers,
Speaker 2: sometimes without the knowledge or consent of the KOJC worker,
Speaker 2: in order to manufacture the appearance of legitimacy for the
Speaker 2: fraudulent marriages. Defendant Duennas would possess at M cards to
Speaker 2: show immigration authorities that KOJC workers and the fraudulent marriages
Speaker 2: had joint banking accounts, and defendants uh two of the
Speaker 2: other defendants, wouldossess male and female wedding rings for KOJC
Speaker 2: workers to use during fraudulent marriage ceremonies.
Speaker 3: They bought too.
Speaker 2: They're so this is such a bargain bin human trafficking operation. Look,
Speaker 2: we only need two rings. We're gonna buckers around.
Speaker 3: Hey, Hey, who got the rings today? Hey?
Speaker 2: Send them to buy good ones. There's no law about that.
Speaker 3: He's like, hey, can't you stop by a grea Bringham
Speaker 3: rings over, we gotta go seand like we got married today.
Speaker 2: Okay, customs has a bunch of ring experts. A phil
Speaker 2: this is a very nice ring. Have we seen this
Speaker 2: ring in the same ring?
Speaker 3: Man? So crazy? Like the seventh person came with this ring.
Speaker 2: This must be a popular one. Shit, maybe I should
Speaker 2: get at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess they're chief in the Philippines.
Speaker 2: I love that one. Huh yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, from what I can tell based on the indictment,
Speaker 2: the followers brought into the United States, where again mixed
Speaker 2: between those who existed purely to bring in money for
Speaker 2: the church and pastorals meant to service Apollo and some
Speaker 2: other members of the high brass of the cult on
Speaker 2: night duty. It is unclear to me if any of
Speaker 2: the girls he used in this role had been pastorals
Speaker 2: back in the Philippines. Extant information does suggest he largely
Speaker 2: recruited unaware female victims ranging an age from twelve to
Speaker 2: twenty five, by telling them they'd get a visa to
Speaker 2: live and work in the United States if they agreed
Speaker 2: to work as his personal assistance. Once they were stateside,
Speaker 2: their passports and money were taken away from them. Their
Speaker 2: communication was monitored, and they were used as sex slaves
Speaker 2: for the Son of God. If they resisted, he'd threatened
Speaker 2: to have his most loyal followers beat them, or he
Speaker 2: would promise them eternal damnation. The indictment notes that pastorals
Speaker 2: who performed their duties to include night duty to the
Speaker 2: satisfaction of the defendant Kiboloi and other kg administrators were
Speaker 2: awarded by defendant Kiboloi and other k KOJC administrators with
Speaker 2: privileges including trips to tourists destinations like Disneyland, flights and
Speaker 2: private jets, use of cell phones, and yearly monetary payments
Speaker 2: referred to as honorariums by administrators honorariums Disneyland.
Speaker 3: Hey but listen, but you could go to Disneyland. What's
Speaker 3: crazy is I you know, you hear this stuff and
Speaker 3: it's like as individual and unique and inventive, a lot
Speaker 3: of these evil people are there are also it's the
Speaker 3: same thing. Yeah, like it's it's it's I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is the same old hustle, like the same you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: It's like, I can promise you a better life in
Speaker 3: America if you just come and work for me. And
Speaker 3: then once you get here, it's a disaster. And if
Speaker 3: you don't work for me, you go in to heal.
Speaker 3: Like how you could drop that plot into every other country, India, everywhere,
Speaker 3: and it's like it just sucks, man, just praying on
Speaker 3: the poor who are desiring to make a better life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and at the end.
Speaker 3: Of the day you just you're just horny.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I hate how regular that is. It's the point.
Speaker 2: Is always the case that, right, like these are never
Speaker 2: al around Hubbard being an exception, there's never anything like
Speaker 2: really when you get down to it, it is like
Speaker 2: this the most it's always the most venal, gross version
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: They are all like Jeffrey Epstein, this man who you know,
Speaker 2: cloth clothed himself in this Like I'm this big donor
Speaker 2: to a different site. I hang out with all of
Speaker 2: these brilliant men, you know, I'm one of these members
Speaker 2: of our like into our intelligencia, really thinking about the future.
Speaker 2: And it's like, now you're just just a sex criminal,
Speaker 2: just a sex tourism to come to him, you know,
Speaker 2: And that's all this guy is despite dress up you know,
Speaker 2: as the fucking son of God, right yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: and you know to kind of make that point. Female
Speaker 2: victims were ordered never to speak of night duty. Any
Speaker 2: attempt to leave or avoid service was met with violence.
Speaker 2: Apollo took to beating his pastorals if he caught them
Speaker 2: communicating with other men, a behavior he sometimes defined as
Speaker 2: innocent conversation. This he claimed was adultery and thus a sin.
Speaker 2: In two thousand and two, we know that KIBOLOI had
Speaker 2: sex with one victim, KF, who was fifteen years old.
Speaker 2: In two thousand and five, he had sex with another victim, Ka,
Speaker 2: when she was seventeen, and asked specifically beforehand if she
Speaker 2: was a virgin. At times, he provided his victims with
Speaker 2: lingeride aware or lotion to put on his body. He
Speaker 2: would explain to his pastorals, all of whom had come
Speaker 2: to him through his church one way or the other,
Speaker 2: that it was God's will they performed night duty, and
Speaker 2: that the father is happy over what the son is doing. Well,
Speaker 2: that's all I'm going to cover in detail of that. Well,
Speaker 2: there's one last thing, because I don't think we need
Speaker 2: to be exhaustive about this, but I don't want to
Speaker 2: gloss over it. And there's one more paragraph from that
Speaker 2: indictment that we do need to cover before we move
Speaker 2: on inner. About two thousand and nine, defendant Salinas told
Speaker 2: victim ore E that if victim R was afraid to
Speaker 2: go near defendant Kiboloi, then victim R had the devil
Speaker 2: in her inner. About twenty eleven, defendant Kiboloi had sex
Speaker 2: with the victim KP when she was approximately fourteen years
Speaker 2: old in her About twenty fourteen, defendant Dan Dan, who's
Speaker 2: one of the administrators, directed victim R to purchase a
Speaker 2: rectile dysfunction medication for defendant KIBOLOI. Okay, that's probably enough.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just want to make sure people know what
Speaker 5: he did.
Speaker 1: He's disgusting and that's terraffic and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably enough of that. So now the big difference.
Speaker 2: We've taked rasteine a lot. He's alive too, but he
Speaker 2: is he's no, no, no, Sophie, you're going to be
Speaker 2: happy about where this was.
Speaker 3: I think this ends well, this ends pretty well. You know.
Speaker 2: Now the when it comes to the difference between this
Speaker 2: guy and Epstein, because I don't get a feeling the
Speaker 2: scale is actually all that different. These guys may have
Speaker 2: been like very similar numbers of I think Epstein maybe
Speaker 2: he did it for although I don't know. These guys
Speaker 2: are actually kind of active similar periods of times. YAHOLOI
Speaker 2: probably was working a little longer than Jeffrey was. One
Speaker 2: of the big differences would be that Epstein seems to
Speaker 2: have used the girls he trafficked and ordered a broker
Speaker 2: favors and money. Maybe Apollo did that, but we don't
Speaker 2: have evidence that he did, at least in this country.
Speaker 2: Right Again, he's pretty tied in with like do Terte
Speaker 2: sect in the Philippines, so maybe there is a lot
Speaker 2: more of that going. There's allegations of its. More will
Speaker 2: come out about this guy, right Like, that is kind
Speaker 2: of the thing we just don't really know.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: What gets him caught is that he's very sloppy on
Speaker 2: the financial side of things. Remember the other half of
Speaker 2: his human trafficking operation is people being brought in as
Speaker 2: free labor to canvas for the church under the auspices
Speaker 2: of helping the children. Yeah, this generated a lot of cash,
Speaker 2: and Apollo was smart enough to know that keeping that
Speaker 2: cash in bank accounts US officials could see was a
Speaker 2: bad idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of to say, like the forgetting that, like
Speaker 3: you could pull this off in the Philippines because you
Speaker 3: ain't got people like chasing down.
Speaker 2: You got a lot of friends. Yeah, and you got a.
Speaker 3: Lot of friends and people not chasing down specific stuff
Speaker 3: like that, like here we got time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rodriguez would have come to the money. Yeah, Deuturritate
Speaker 2: does not have poll with the FEDS in the United States. No,
Speaker 2: So one of his lieutenants informed him that US customs
Speaker 2: allowed people to fly in into and out of the
Speaker 2: country with under ten grand in cash with no additional safeguards.
Speaker 2: As followers would return home, he would have them roll
Speaker 2: nine thousand dollars in cash into their socks and place
Speaker 2: it in their luggage. Larger amounts of money were flown
Speaker 2: in bulk back home via the private jet that the
Speaker 2: church had amassed. Now, this is the kind of thing
Speaker 2: you can get away with for quite a while because
Speaker 2: none of the individual pawns are breaking any laws and
Speaker 2: there's not really an incentive for the government to like
Speaker 2: that kind of seems like a bunch of Filipino people,
Speaker 2: because for another thing, I'm sure a lot of Filipino
Speaker 2: people who like worked in the United States and return home. Also, oh,
Speaker 2: they fly back all the time. Yeah, with as much
Speaker 2: as they can. So it's the kind of thing like
Speaker 2: you're never you're not gonna notice this easily.
Speaker 3: No, I mean the joke earlier about like the balique
Speaker 3: bion box, which the balik bion translates to just like
Speaker 3: the one two return. So like it's very normal that
Speaker 3: like when your aunts and uncles or whatever come from
Speaker 3: the Philippines, there's a box of stuff that you can't
Speaker 3: get here, you know what I'm saying. And then when
Speaker 3: that family member goes back, they do the same thing.
Speaker 3: They bring stuff that you can't get in the Philippines
Speaker 3: from America there. So it's a very normal thing to have,
Speaker 3: even like you said, like anybody who's traveled you know,
Speaker 3: internationally that like yeah, it says if you have anything
Speaker 3: over ten thousand dollars you got to declare it. But
Speaker 3: if you have anything under that, that's fine. So even
Speaker 3: having cash in your body buyon box, it's like it's
Speaker 3: not that's not anything that would raise any concern. So yeah,
Speaker 3: you're right, right. And also the fact that this is
Speaker 3: a well known Pentecostal preacher, like we all know they
Speaker 3: all got private jets like rays they think, so like
Speaker 3: none of this is weird.
Speaker 2: Right, especially since like back in the Philippines where the
Speaker 2: money is actually going to be entering accounts, it's going
Speaker 2: to be turned from cash into like other forms of money.
Speaker 2: Like he's friends with, you know, after twenty sixteen, the president,
Speaker 2: so he and his church are not going to get
Speaker 2: targeted for any of this. He's good and it's like
Speaker 2: this friendship with Deuterte, you know, comes in handy before
Speaker 2: he's the president, when he's just the mayor. One particular
Speaker 2: example of this came in two thousand and eight when
Speaker 2: Apollo sought to purchase a two hectare parcel of land
Speaker 2: owned by a man named Datu Diarog, a local indigenous
Speaker 2: leader whose family land bordered the compound Apollo had purchased
Speaker 2: at the foot of Mount Appo. The KOJC first offered
Speaker 2: payments of varying size and then threatened to evict Datu
Speaker 2: in his family from their own land. After this failed,
Speaker 2: armed men raided the property three times, burning down several bills. Eventually,
Speaker 2: they carried out a drive by shooting which killed dat two,
Speaker 2: wounded his wife, and killed their four and eight year
Speaker 2: old children. Now, Dattoo's widow put the blame on Apollo,
Speaker 2: who himself blamed the New People's Army, the militant wing
Speaker 2: of the Philippines Communist Party, which has been involved in
Speaker 2: a garula war against the government for quite some time.
Speaker 2: The Communists blamed Apollo, and from what I can see,
Speaker 2: there's no reason that they would have murdered Datu and
Speaker 2: his family, and every reason to suspect that Apollo did
Speaker 2: because he was trying to buy this parcelageland. There's not
Speaker 2: really any evidence this guy was beefing with the fucking
Speaker 2: People's Front or whatever. Since this all happened on the
Speaker 2: outskirts of Davous City while du Terte was mayor, it's
Speaker 2: not hard to see why people suspect he played a
Speaker 2: hand in ensuring no proper investigation was ever concluded into
Speaker 2: the matter. If this is true, Apollo had a chance
Speaker 2: to pay his friend back with interest a few years
Speaker 2: later in twenty sixteen, when ju Terte announced his run
Speaker 2: for president, Apollo was one of the first men to
Speaker 2: back his candidacy, urging his followers to vote du Terte
Speaker 2: and putting quite a lot of money behind his campaign. Now,
Speaker 2: du Terte, being a mobster, did not forget this. When
Speaker 2: he won the election. Apollo's home was the first one
Speaker 2: he visited in person. The two eight together to celebrate
Speaker 2: the coming of this new regime, and for a few years,
Speaker 2: Apollo Kiboloi could rest easy knowing that nothing he did
Speaker 2: would bring legal consequences to him or his church so
Speaker 2: long as Rodrigo held power. And that is going to
Speaker 2: lead us into some ads prop because that's who holds
Speaker 2: power here at our podcast is the sponsors of this
Speaker 2: motherfucking show. Oh and we're back. So in the US
Speaker 2: during the Duterte years, the legal climate grew markedly less
Speaker 2: friendly to the KOJC. In twenty fifteen, one of Apollo's
Speaker 2: followers in Hawaii had fled a church compound and reported
Speaker 2: to the authorities that they had been treed, affect, beaten,
Speaker 2: and forced to have sex with Kiboloi. This person claimed
Speaker 2: to have been forced into a re education camp, which
Speaker 2: she described as a concentration camp where they shaved her
Speaker 2: head and tortured her when she decided to leave. And
Speaker 2: I really would like to know more about this concentration
Speaker 2: camp he was apparently operating in Hawaii is bonkers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I did not know. That would be good to get
Speaker 2: some additional context on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody tell me.
Speaker 2: More about that. Yeah, As is often the case, it
Speaker 2: was her word against his and the churches, and the
Speaker 2: church claimed in return that she was only attacking Apollo
Speaker 2: because she had gotten kicked out for molesting a minor. Right,
Speaker 2: So they're like, no, she's the pedophile, right. Local prosecutors
Speaker 2: looked into the issue. They attempted to make a case,
Speaker 2: but they gave it up. In twenty nineteen. However, the
Speaker 2: FBI had gotten tipped on to Apollo at this point,
Speaker 2: and I'm not precisely sure what it was that got
Speaker 2: them on, if it was just that case, you know,
Speaker 2: that local case that got dropped yeah, or what. But
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen, they rated one of the Colt's private jets.
Speaker 2: Before it could take off from California to Manila, they
Speaker 2: caught Apollo and one of his female aids with three
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars in cash and rifle parts. So Apollo
Speaker 2: gets taken into custody. Rifle parts yeah, wow, Okay, Paula
Speaker 2: gets yeah, that's an itar violation.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Apollo gets taken briefly into custody, but his assistant
Speaker 2: pled responsibility for the money and gun parts. So she's like, hey, look,
Speaker 2: it was mine, right, And once they've done that, you're
Speaker 2: kind of fucked unless you have proof that they were lying. Right.
Speaker 2: So he gets let go and he takes a private
Speaker 2: flight back home to the Philippines and is like, yuess,
Speaker 2: I can't go to the US no more a bit, guys,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get Epstein to the way.
Speaker 3: He yeah, yeah, yeah, looks yeah, no, no, no, no no,
Speaker 3: that's all I need to see.
Speaker 2: So at this point in the US, a local and
Speaker 2: a federal investigation had both failed to bring Apollo down,
Speaker 2: but he was again smart enough to know that, like,
Speaker 2: I just can't travel freely anymore, so I'm going to
Speaker 2: stick to my compound near Mount Apo. So while he's
Speaker 2: doing that, continuing to preach living it up. In twenty
Speaker 2: twenty and twenty twenty one, the FBI finally filed an
Speaker 2: indictment against Apollo and several of his chief lieutenants. And
Speaker 2: that's what I've been quoting from several times in these episodes. Now,
Speaker 2: there are raids on several church properties in the United States,
Speaker 2: but so long as Apollo remained in the Philippines, he
Speaker 2: could count on the protection of his allies in the government.
Speaker 2: He even had the Church flex its muscles to get
Speaker 2: a Filipino prosecutor to charge the Hawaii news now who
Speaker 2: reported on the case, with criminal libel in the Philippines.
Speaker 2: I think they're probably gonna be okay on those charges now,
Speaker 2: but yeah, thank god, yeah sure they were sweating them.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, yeah, it is las in Hawaii too, so
Speaker 3: I can see how he's got homies over there. I
Speaker 3: this is somewhat of a side note, but part of
Speaker 3: what part of how I got radicalized for real was
Speaker 3: like in college, and so this Filipino girl, I think
Speaker 3: she teaches SFCA. I can name her because she's such
Speaker 3: a g Her name's Irene, right, and she was a
Speaker 3: few years older than me. I had no idea like that,
Speaker 3: the type of gorilla warfare of freedom fighters, that the
Speaker 3: way that was, how it was like they was really
Speaker 3: bounted in the Philippines and we was in college. She
Speaker 3: was the first person to tell me I'd be good
Speaker 3: at poetry. And I just had such a crush on
Speaker 3: her because I'm like, really, you think so, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm saying so, like I totally started doing poetry. But
Speaker 3: she I say all that to say, at some point
Speaker 3: she shaved her head and she moved to the Philippines
Speaker 3: to like fight in with the gorillas. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. She's like, And I was like she little five,
Speaker 3: but nothing like and Irene knows. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: everybody were adults now, but just I just thought she
Speaker 3: was smoking hot and like the coolest girl I've ever
Speaker 3: met that. I was just like this little like, Yo,
Speaker 3: I'll follow you into the jungles, like where are we going?
Speaker 3: I'm with you. You know what I'm saying. Let's go
Speaker 3: give me you know what I'm saying, give me my
Speaker 3: brong and let's go.
Speaker 2: Right, you call your friends writer or die. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: that's not what that word means.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, you know. And I was like okay, So anyway,
Speaker 3: I got put onto like all that like when you
Speaker 3: when you were talking about Yo, there was just like
Speaker 3: really insurgence, this communist thing. I was like, oh wait,
Speaker 3: like my home girl went. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: from what to get this? What to y'alla? High school?
Speaker 3: Sophie like from from Chino, like she said she was
Speaker 3: from Chino. And then we went to school at fullerted
Speaker 3: broke out and I was like, yo, you you have talked.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, like, she's part of why I radicalized.
Speaker 3: Was like this this Filipiedo Stepma, like not even Noah
Speaker 3: audience was happening. You feel me liked she dogs she
Speaker 3: lit it up, dude. Yeah, anyway, he's at aside, but
Speaker 3: shout out Irene.
Speaker 2: Shout out Irene, and not a shout out to Apollo,
Speaker 2: who at this point is safely live streaming. You know,
Speaker 2: his video sermons from Mount Appo, which the church had
Speaker 2: renamed Glory Mountain on his YouTube program power Line, which
Speaker 2: is quite act, isn't Isn't power Line the name of
Speaker 2: the of the pop star from the Goofy movie?
Speaker 3: Yes it is.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, that's good. I'm choosing to believe that's his
Speaker 2: second career, that he found Jesus after like maybe getting
Speaker 2: too addicted to cocaine and he moved to the Philippines.
Speaker 2: That's where I'm on about the power Line. Yeah, according
Speaker 2: to the goof Troop, Yeah, that seems like where power
Speaker 2: Line would have gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yea.
Speaker 2: The situation didn't start to change until Rodrigo ju Terte
Speaker 2: announced his intention to step down at the end of
Speaker 2: his term in twenty twenty two. I think he had to,
Speaker 2: but he everyone was kind of wondering, is he just
Speaker 2: kind of like stay right? This likely? Uh, you know,
Speaker 2: the fact that he ultimately doesn't push them matter probably
Speaker 2: had something to do with the fact that he was
Speaker 2: There was an ongoing ICC investigation over his war on drugs,
Speaker 2: which had killed at least six thousand people but is
Speaker 2: believed to have led to tens of thousands of deaths.
Speaker 2: So de Terte was ultimately succeeded by what should have
Speaker 2: been a friendly regime to KIBOLOI, the son of the
Speaker 2: former dictator Ferdinand Marcos Junior, better known as one of
Speaker 2: the great world leaders. Names around right now, Bong Bong Marcos.
Speaker 2: That's a name. That's a good name for your president.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, listen, sorry hard Yeah, listen listen. President Trump
Speaker 3: shooting his fist up with the blood coming out his ear,
Speaker 3: talking about fight fight.
Speaker 2: Bondong could take him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but I'm saying that's look, that's hard as hell,
Speaker 3: That's what he was saying. So a name like bon Bong.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a three hundred and fifty ev sweep, my friend.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes you will.
Speaker 2: So Bongbong becomes the president alongside Di Terte's daughter as
Speaker 2: his VP. So again you could be forgiven for being like, well,
Speaker 2: none's gonna happen to Apollo with these folks in church.
Speaker 2: Fine fucking Marcos's kid and du Terte's kid. It's alliance
Speaker 2: of the failed children, my god. So yeah, now that said,
Speaker 2: if you actually knew anything, and I don't, But this
Speaker 2: is what people who know things about Philippine politics say,
Speaker 2: is like, if you knew anything about the political alliance
Speaker 2: alliances in the country, this alliance was always going to collapse,
Speaker 2: right yea, and it sure as shit did. Here's how
Speaker 2: the ap describes the start of the breakdown. Marcos reversed
Speaker 2: du Terte's pro China stance and pivoted back to the
Speaker 2: United States, granting Washington greater access to Philippine bassism. Ad
Speaker 2: China's assertiveness in the South China Sea and near Taiwan.
Speaker 2: He brought to the fore a twenty sixteen arbitral ruling
Speaker 2: fortifying Manila's territorial claims in the South China Sea, which
Speaker 2: jeu Terte largely set US side in a move seen
Speaker 2: as directed at China, which is overlapping sovereignty claims in
Speaker 2: the South China Sea. Marcos also sought to revive peace
Speaker 2: negotiations with communist rebels which his predecessor had scrapped, in
Speaker 2: which Sarah Juterte has described as an agreement with the devil.
Speaker 2: So that's not just a conflict with the previous admin,
Speaker 2: that's a conflict with his own VP. All of this
Speaker 2: should have been taken by Apollo as a sign that
Speaker 2: his time enjoying immunity and state protection might be nearing
Speaker 2: an end. Apollo had always been a ferocious anti communist,
Speaker 2: dating back to the first Marcos regime, and the fact
Speaker 2: that Bongbong is now like, hey, let's talk to these people.
Speaker 2: Not a great sign for you, anger Will Robinson. Probably
Speaker 2: a good sign for the Philippines, but not for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: As the situation between Uterte and Marcos degenerated, Marcos started
Speaker 2: talking about rejoining the ICC, a move calculated entirely to
Speaker 2: fuck with du Terte, who'd withdrawn the Philippines once the
Speaker 2: ICC started investigating him. The breakdown eventually culminated earlier this
Speaker 2: year in both men accusing each other of being addicted
Speaker 2: to drugs.
Speaker 3: A drum Look, that's all it is.
Speaker 2: He all drug He's high as hell.
Speaker 3: He just high I do.
Speaker 2: It's nice to know that, like, there's at least one
Speaker 2: other country that's right on our level, you know. Yes,
Speaker 2: the Philippines, the US, and the United Kingdom all just
Speaker 2: messy more or less sitting in the muck together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just messy as shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ireland walks by and flips us all collectively a coin.
Speaker 2: The US prosecutors, Yeah, that's funny. US prosecutors had been
Speaker 2: among the many, many, many observers who recognized that the
Speaker 2: political alliance between Deterte and Marcos wouldn't last, and that
Speaker 2: its collapse would put Apollo Kaboloi at significant risk. In
Speaker 2: December of twenty twenty two, the US Treasury Apartment sanctioned
Speaker 2: Kiboloi and accused him of serious human rights abuse, including
Speaker 2: pervasive rape of girls as young as eleven. No action
Speaker 2: was taken at this pervasive not a great word with yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: no good word to put in front of except for
Speaker 2: I guess none, but you wouldn't say it that way anyway.
Speaker 2: No action was taken at this stage, But earlier this year,
Speaker 2: as the alliance crumbled entirely, a Philippine court was given
Speaker 2: the go ahead to order Kiboloi arrested on suspicion of
Speaker 2: child sex abuse and human trafficking. Now, I have mentioned
Speaker 2: a few times in this episode how very American in
Speaker 2: styling Apollo is, and one of his many inspirations seems
Speaker 2: to be friend of the Pod David Koresh. As soon
Speaker 2: as the government came after him, KIBOLOI went to ground,
Speaker 2: locking himself in the underground bunker complex he had built
Speaker 2: in his mount He built underground bunkers. Ah, man, you
Speaker 2: know again, I'm just hoping this place is for sale soon.
Speaker 3: He is when I tell you, like late nineties, early
Speaker 3: two thousand, like, uh, speaking of power line Pentecostal, Like,
Speaker 3: what's the word? I'm looking for the name and acclaim
Speaker 3: at guys like why can't I think of the name
Speaker 3: of what they was? Prosperity? Oh gospel, Yeah, just very
Speaker 3: much prosperity gospel. And you remember they was into selling
Speaker 3: the Y two K stuff. Sure they were selling. You
Speaker 3: are hitting every note. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You won't.
Speaker 3: Oh you got a bunker in the Philippines, bro, Like
Speaker 3: you be taking note.
Speaker 2: Hiding in tunnels beautiful wow. So as he hid in
Speaker 2: his tunnels, he told his followers the devil had orchestrated
Speaker 2: all of his problems. A write up by NBC News
Speaker 2: describes what happened next. About two thousand Philippine police officers
Speaker 2: surrounded the property. They were backed up by hundreds of
Speaker 2: soldiers as riots erupted among congregants who rallied to defend
Speaker 2: their leader. According to local media, more than six hundred
Speaker 2: police officers were injured in violent clashes with church members
Speaker 2: who protested Kiboloi's innocence. One member died of a heart
Speaker 2: attack during the initial raid. Police said they would not
Speaker 2: leave the compound without Kiboloi, who said he would not
Speaker 2: be caught alive for days. The standoff rage, Yes, he's
Speaker 2: about to the day is the standoff rage?
Speaker 5: Does?
Speaker 2: KOJC followers line the streets to act as human barricades
Speaker 2: to keep the police out. For their part, Filipino authorities
Speaker 2: were unable to locate Phil Kiboloi in any of the
Speaker 2: main buildings of the compound, and head resort to the
Speaker 2: use of ground penetrating radar, with which they essentially found
Speaker 2: his heart beat.
Speaker 3: Ground penetrating radars like.
Speaker 2: It's all good heart beat under that.
Speaker 3: Listen just when you in a safety streets yeah, is hilarious.
Speaker 3: Arms swats dudes and and one guy, one nerd in
Speaker 3: the back is like, hey, guys, guys, guys, guys, relax,
Speaker 3: go get some coffee. I'll find his heart they go
Speaker 3: right there. How you know I could I could hear
Speaker 3: his heartbeat.
Speaker 2: I'm not coming to bat for the sex criminal. I'm not,
Speaker 2: but I will say, where are we as a society
Speaker 2: when a cult leader can't even hide in underground tunnels
Speaker 2: without the authorities using ground radar? Is that the police
Speaker 2: state we want to live in? You know?
Speaker 3: Brother, man, I don't know, like, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 3: not with that. Yeah, I feel, you man, like the
Speaker 3: police got too much power.
Speaker 2: I think the police should have to raid those tunnels,
Speaker 2: you know, but like fucking tunnel uh rat stuff like
Speaker 2: I'm a fucking thirty eight revolver and a knife and
Speaker 2: have him crawl the fuck in there, right, the son
Speaker 2: of a bitch, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, earn it, Yeah, yeah, you'll get for this. You
Speaker 3: don't get that exactly exactly. I think we're on the
Speaker 3: same page here, so earn it. This is obviously just
Speaker 3: hearing that. You can say, like, well, I see why
Speaker 3: people were worried this is going to end in tremendous bloodshed.
Speaker 2: This doesn't seem like the kind of situation. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: is the kind of situation. This could have gone a
Speaker 2: lot worse than it did effect but after about two
Speaker 2: weeks of this shit, Apollo and several of his top
Speaker 2: people surrendered to the authorities, and they are currently in custody.
Speaker 2: At this point, it is too early to say how
Speaker 2: the situation's gonna pan out. KIBOLOI seems like he's dead
Speaker 2: to rights after his prosecution in his home country. He
Speaker 2: should be extradited to the United States, which has more
Speaker 2: than enough dirt to put him away forever if the
Speaker 2: Philippines does not. That said, we're talking about a connected
Speaker 2: man in a country with a lot of corruption. To
Speaker 2: Terte's daughter, the VP has been publicly attacking Bongbong's administration,
Speaker 2: which she's a part of, over Apollo's arrest. It's not
Speaker 2: impossible that he fucking makes something happen here, right the
Speaker 2: Philippines at least, Yeah, I don't think that's likely. I
Speaker 2: think he's probably fucked, But you know, I've been wrong before,
Speaker 2: so I'm not gonna say definitely. You know, keep an
Speaker 2: eye on this bad boy while he is locked up.
Speaker 2: The church itself has wasted no time launching a media
Speaker 2: blitz to try and defend the Son of God's contact.
Speaker 2: They put out a statement on the alleged human trafficking
Speaker 2: within the Kingdom, which makes what I would describe prop
Speaker 2: as a flawed argument. Quote. In the Kingdom of Jesus
Speaker 2: Christ doctrine, your freedom of choice is the highest form
Speaker 2: of human rights exercise and in the KOJC we uphold
Speaker 2: this rule in everything we do as a corporate body
Speaker 2: or as an individual member. That's the reason why the
Speaker 2: Kingdom are the happiest in what they do and believe
Speaker 2: to die for, as they were not forced to do
Speaker 2: anything against their will. One of the cardinal rules in
Speaker 2: the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, which is the most important
Speaker 2: of all rules, is your freedom of choice or your
Speaker 2: freedom to choose, and exercising this rule, it means you
Speaker 2: cannot be forced or allow yourself to be forced to
Speaker 2: do anything against your own will no matter what. So
Speaker 2: that means anything you do or anything that happens to
Speaker 2: you is your own voluntary will or choice. We believe
Speaker 2: in free will so strong ugly that anything that happens
Speaker 2: to you is something you chose. So if a bad
Speaker 2: thing occurs, that's on you.
Speaker 3: That was your choice. When you made it, it was
Speaker 3: cool until you say it, and that happens to you.
Speaker 3: Like anything you choose you didn't choose. We're going there,
Speaker 3: huh yeah like wait what like yeah, yeah, totally like.
Speaker 2: Being alive, you accept it's your fault if I fuck with.
Speaker 3: You, you know, yeah, I mean that's your choice. Yeah,
Speaker 3: joined the Kingdom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, I don't think that's I'm not an expert
Speaker 2: on the law in the Philippines, right, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 2: you that right now, prop I will say, I don't
Speaker 2: think that's holding up at a US court.
Speaker 3: Fam Yeah yeah, yeah, my face with that bullshit, like
Speaker 3: not even Florida, yeah not Yeah, Like, come on, guys.
Speaker 2: I do hope that Apollo takes some comfort from the
Speaker 2: fact that while his own legal situation might be dire,
Speaker 2: he at least has friends. And you know, that's really
Speaker 2: what it's all about, is we're all going to have
Speaker 2: ups and downs, right, Having friends is really what matters
Speaker 2: in your time in need. And I want to read
Speaker 2: to you a very funny quote from an April third,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two article by the inquirer. Oh yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a Philippines paper.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 2: Duette yesterday said that he offered to be the administrator
Speaker 2: of the KOJC properties to unburden his friend of its
Speaker 2: day to day operations. The present rumblings, I would say,
Speaker 2: would maybe distract the pastor with the day to day operation.
Speaker 2: It was I who offered pastor. In the meantime, you're
Speaker 2: trying to figure out the things that you're going to
Speaker 2: do or say regarding this present whatever, I will run
Speaker 2: things for now, du Terte said during an interview with
Speaker 2: bloggers Do Tarte, however, specifically requested that he'd be left
Speaker 2: out of the financial side of the group's operation. Let
Speaker 2: me focus on the properties to see the way that
Speaker 2: it's preserved well for the congregation.
Speaker 3: Hey man, I'll take I'd love to take this off
Speaker 3: your hands. Bro, Like, don't even worry about it. You
Speaker 3: got so much on your plate. I'll handle that, y'all
Speaker 3: Just still do the money thing. I'll just handle it.
Speaker 2: It's such gangster ship. He's the last two sentences of
Speaker 2: that quote. Love it do Turte also explained that he
Speaker 2: was chosen by Kiboloid because of their friendship. Why me,
Speaker 2: because I am his friend, he said. Det said he
Speaker 2: used to have his firearms serviced by a guy who
Speaker 2: was living behind the Church of Kiboloid in the city
Speaker 2: slum area. That's how he says. They met all my
Speaker 2: guns worked on met this guy in the slums. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I should take the buildings.
Speaker 3: Hearing that, Hearing that last statement makes me more be like, oh, no,
Speaker 3: you're not getting away with this. Your fuck you Yeah,
Speaker 3: like you not you. There's no there's none you can
Speaker 3: pull him if he was like a fucking.
Speaker 2: Blizzards are picking at you, bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yet they did already. Yet they had already divided
Speaker 3: yo estate. That is not a good sign off you
Speaker 3: staying in jail, homie. They put you up under the
Speaker 3: jail dog. He told amen. Hey, look, don't worry about it.
Speaker 3: I'll take care of your property.
Speaker 2: I got you back. I keep keep an eye on
Speaker 2: this stuff. No, you're definitely are You're definitely gonna get out.
Speaker 2: You won't be in prison forever for sure.
Speaker 3: To hold this for you. Hey, hey, homie, you listen
Speaker 3: to somebody. Look when you when you go to jail, Robert,
Speaker 3: for all the crimes you have said on.
Speaker 2: This crimes like well, I call them crimes too.
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, when you do, and if somebody
Speaker 3: says it, says you're doing fifteen years, Robert, don't worry
Speaker 3: about it. I'll take care of your wife.
Speaker 2: That is.
Speaker 3: That's that's she's not your wife no more. That's whoever
Speaker 3: it is. That's right, this is a fictitious wife.
Speaker 2: But you know, prop they are my tunnels beneath my house.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to tell you one thing. I'm not
Speaker 2: leaving just because some cops have radar. I got gas masks,
Speaker 2: you know, I got air filters. Yeah, I'm staying in
Speaker 2: the tunnels. Never like the tunnels.
Speaker 3: I am absolutely figuring out how to get my entire
Speaker 3: family to your house. Huh. When this goes down and.
Speaker 2: Lots of tunnels will be honestly, more tunnels than the
Speaker 2: city says I'm allowed to dig out here my house
Speaker 2: could be a problem when that quay kits, this might
Speaker 2: not be a great place to have tunnels.
Speaker 3: Not.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Actually, that's where faith comes into the picture, my friend.
Speaker 2: That's where hopefully you are also chosen by God and
Speaker 2: saw the cloud by day wey kits.
Speaker 3: I didn't get to mention that too. Like the Another note,
Speaker 3: he's hitting is you know, when Moses went to the
Speaker 3: top of the mountain to get the Ten Commandments, he
Speaker 3: went into the cloud m hm, and that's where God spoke.
Speaker 3: So when he came down from the cloud and he
Speaker 3: saw the rest of the children of Israel partying with
Speaker 3: the with the Golden calf, right, yeah, yeah, so he
Speaker 3: came out Yeah, yeah, totally, so like that so him,
Speaker 3: I forgot that. I was gonna mention that, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's hitting all the notes. He's basically saying, take every
Speaker 3: Sunday school lesson you learned about when God spoke and
Speaker 3: that all those things happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, prop got any pluggables to plug?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So if you're in La, the park's finest is
Speaker 3: a Filipino barbecue spot. I just figured them just at
Speaker 3: least just enjoy. Let's for all that this man has
Speaker 3: done to the p noise, let's figure out how to
Speaker 3: support them. So go download anything from Beat Rock Music, Bamboo,
Speaker 3: Rocky Rivera and then listen to my podcast hood. Politics
Speaker 3: were prop and here's some music, here's some poetry, and
Speaker 3: please yeah, yeah, man, continue to support us. But the
Speaker 3: politics were prop man. We got some dope, we got
Speaker 3: some heaters coming up too.
Speaker 2: Yep, listen to hood Politics, pick up props book Terraform.
Speaker 2: And also, as we have been recording this, the information
Speaker 2: has come in about the fucking apocalyptic flooding ass as
Speaker 2: a result of the goddamn hurricane Helena or Helene. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I've just seen it for so far Helen is it
Speaker 2: just Helen's at the end, So I feel like.
Speaker 1: She sucks no matter who she is.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is not her fault. This is our fault,
Speaker 2: our hubris. Yeah, but anyway, Uh, it's really fucked specifically
Speaker 2: North Carolina a lot. It's not the only place, but
Speaker 2: like Ashville is. I mean, I'm hoping it's not as
Speaker 2: bad as shit looks right now. But like there's a
Speaker 2: there's a sign on I forty. I've seen a picture
Speaker 2: of that just says do not travel in western North Carolina.
Speaker 2: So we are raising money for disaster relief. Mutual Aid
Speaker 2: Disaster Relief working to help people in Ashville right now.
Speaker 2: Their PayPal is Mutual Aid Disaster Relief at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: Their venmo is Mutual Aid Disaster Relief. You can also
Speaker 2: go to Actionnetwork dot org slash fundraising slash Mutual aid
Speaker 2: disaster relief. We will have these links along with the
Speaker 2: sources in our show notes, so check them out anyway.
Speaker 2: Sorry if you're in North Carolina, good Luck.
Speaker 6: Behind the Bastards is a production of cool Zone Media.
Speaker 6: For more from cool Zone Media, visit our website Coolzonemedia
Speaker 6: dot com or check us out on the iHeartRadio app,
Speaker 6: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards is now available on YouTube, new episodes
Speaker 1: every Wednesday and Friday. Subscribe to our channel YouTube dot
Speaker 1: com slash at Behind the Bastards