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Speaker 2: Oh boy, howdy boy, goodness gracious Jiminy Christmas behind the

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Speaker 2: Bastards back yet again with our friend Jason Petty aka

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Speaker 2: prop Jason. I'm doing the thing that I do sometimes,

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Speaker 2: on our break and I was I was eating some

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Speaker 2: scrambled eggs with dried Chantrells, delightful breakfast. It is two

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Speaker 2: forty three in the afternoon, where I was like looking

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Speaker 2: at Facebook, which I do about once a week. It's

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Speaker 2: Whenever you hop onto the old Facebook, you get a

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Speaker 2: bunch of fascinating ads that I got one today from

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Speaker 2: the Daily Wire people for Jeremy's razors, which they who's

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Speaker 2: oh the Jeremy razors. Yeah yeah, not woke. Don't buy

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Speaker 2: from a razor you Yeah, I don't think any razor

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, nobody's critical race theory.

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Speaker 2: These are these are razors or not for women. They're

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Speaker 2: for conservative men. And that's convinced me. Prop you know,

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Speaker 2: look that this is this is silly and shameless. But

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Speaker 2: also look, I like money as much as the next guy.

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Speaker 2: So what if I try to get into the opposite

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Speaker 2: that's lame, that's not a thing anyone associates with ideology.

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Speaker 2: Not not really. I want to take products that are

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Speaker 2: lot of money. So, for example, I'm going to start

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Speaker 2: manufacturing and selling an AR fifteen that we only sell

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Speaker 2: to people who in the last week have cried at

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Speaker 3: I feel like you're leaving money on the table by

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Speaker 2: It's too good a business.

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Speaker 3: It's seasons ago we should have been we should have

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Speaker 3: been selling woke weapons. Yeah for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely what I'm saying. Yeah, reproduction German military gear

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Speaker 2: that we only sell to people who have volunteered at

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Speaker 2: a soup kitchen that week, Right, you know you have

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Speaker 2: to have you have to have proven to us.

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Speaker 3: Listen, you had to have cried white tears, like at

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Speaker 3: some point you know what I'm saying, Like you said,

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Speaker 3: I served at a soup kitchen. Right, you feel like

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Speaker 3: like at some point you've you've yelled at a Karen,

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Speaker 3: Like you had to have had put in your work

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Speaker 3: to prove the t a comrade, Now I'm with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, go volunteer at the border and you two

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Speaker 2: can buy a Volkswagen Type one sixty six shwim in Wagen.

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Speaker 2: I do actually want one of those. It's one of

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Speaker 2: those cars you can drive in the water.

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Speaker 3: Those cars are pretty dope.

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Speaker 2: They're pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: Look, it's not the fault. It's not the car's fault

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Speaker 3: But shout out to all our guns. Since we're gonna

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Speaker 2: We're back talking about Yeah, Apollo Kiballoy talking about syl Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In the last episode, I explained that Apollo had named

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Speaker 2: himself the appointed son of God. As he drew in

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Speaker 2: more followers and his church expanded into a multinational cult,

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Speaker 2: which is arguably nicer than the way. You probably have

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Speaker 2: he told Mary and Joseph.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, you know. That's that's the the angel showing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, Joseph, I love you. I love you. I

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Speaker 2: Speaking of God. He's got something to say speaking of God.

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Speaker 2: Yeah now so yeah, I don't know. Cloud. That seems nice, soothing.

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Speaker 2: While Apollo had started his career as just another Pentecostal

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Speaker 2: The trinity denies the oneness of God because it suggests

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Speaker 3: uh so TD Jakes, right, TD Jakes is a oneness

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Speaker 3: oh man, But yeah, TD Jakes is like a oneness Pentecostal,

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Speaker 3: and like that's kind of a thing to be like.

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Speaker 3: And then to argue that, like the term trinity is

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Speaker 3: later to describe what theologians called the triune God, God

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Speaker 3: but the idea that they are actually three sets brit

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Speaker 3: persons is not biblical. Yeah, one is Pentecostal. So if

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you've gotten taken in by like a cult, right, Yes,

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Speaker 2: Listen to the man of God that's sleeping with your daughter. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I mean very much. Literally listen to the man because

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Speaker 2: we're going to play a segment from a documentary about

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Speaker 3: God, I can't wait. Hold on. Let me, Yeah, you

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Speaker 3: gotta get my pulso in sagging, Let me give my

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Speaker 3: let me, let me get my spam, and let me

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Speaker 3: get my spam in rice. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: and my spoon and eating my rice to ketch up.

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Speaker 2: I'm just doing a whole lot of fire right now.

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Speaker 3: Is phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: Hawaiian too, We.

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Speaker 4: Are in I saw a seventiit countries and sevent nationalities.

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Speaker 1: Three million. I just clarify, pastor, this is not a religion.

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Speaker 3: It's a movement.

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Speaker 2: Some of.

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Speaker 3: You look deeper. It's a spiritual work. For me, again

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Speaker 3: as someone with the Filipino stepmom, this accent is very warm.

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Speaker 2: Great good news. We got some more stuff that's going

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Speaker 2: to make you smile here.

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Speaker 3: It's not the religion, like yeah, okay, I do love it.

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Speaker 2: You get that a lot. That's like a very American

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Speaker 3: So when we talk about these kind of pastor bastards,

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Speaker 2: That's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: Did you wait?

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Speaker 2: There was as Yeah, that just hit. I'd written it,

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, pastor bastards, pastor bass this is you've

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Speaker 3: just created as you've you've just expanded the Behind the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the we A crack has gone down

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, just to take let's take her down a peg.

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Speaker 2: It's been like ten thousand years, it's time.

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Speaker 2: I always try to find an example of like a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a title that gives you an idea of

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Speaker 4: It's the state of innocence. You don't think evil of

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Speaker 2: Amazing? Really, that's a good realm amazing, that's a good raising.

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Speaker 3: That is the most penici person.

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Speaker 4: Do you trust me? Those who trusted me and believe

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Speaker 4: That's how you are in the sight of the party.

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Speaker 2: I love that. What percent? I really want to drill?

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Speaker 3: But let's get some numbers out here. Lie the notes

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Speaker 3: this guy is playing. I mean, this is felonious monk

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Speaker 3: level of notes. He's playing like this, dudeify him first

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Speaker 3: some reason, Pentecostals believe because purple is the color of royalty.

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Speaker 3: the white is the holiness. And if you can see

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Speaker 3: What color is that man's tie? In the cut? You

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Speaker 3: understand what's happening right now? He playing notes, y'all. Oh,

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited. How I do not notice?

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Speaker 3: I'm so mad I don't already notice. Man.

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Speaker 2: I have an unfortunate note on the purple thing prop

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Self, you just take it, just take it.

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Speaker 3: How many of you trust me?

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Speaker 4: Only fifty percent? Raise your hands, don't be ashamed. If

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Speaker 4: That's no partnership. If is fifty to fifty, he preaches

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Speaker 3: Yes, where light is darkness cannot abide. Either you belong

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's a that's a professional. You gotta

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Speaker 2: Uh, now that he's been arrested, Sophie, do you think

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Speaker 1: Does it come with the outfit?

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's a decent shit. I feel like

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Speaker 1: Would you wear the outfit?

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Speaker 2: I don't think i'd have a choice in that room.

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Speaker 3: Kind of a no brainer. Yeah, Like, if you're doing that,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, bro, all.

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Speaker 3: Listen now that I see it. Yeah, he's hitting. He's

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Speaker 2: Think aside from the horrible, horrible sex traffic. Yeah, besides that,

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's a little more fun than Thomas

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Speaker 3: Oh, hey, we're part of the Kingdom, Like it's a

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Speaker 2: Own license plates, driver's licenses. Now you can get an

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Speaker 2: And then words of the Sun, which is Apollo. In

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Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all right, like you remember, Yeah, it's us till

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Speaker 2: I'm torn on this because obviously I can't go to

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, listen a bad reason, Sophie.

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Speaker 3: There are there are qualities.

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Speaker 1: I just look at a really nice break from Robert

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Speaker 2: I was always bringing it up in my heart so.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know, but like I didn't have to hear that.

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Speaker 2: See, yeah, I was. I was living a lie because

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Speaker 2: that runs for Waco, right And yeah, Ron, yeah, you're right,

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Speaker 3: No, I feel it. It's because it's in the spirit.

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Speaker 3: It's in the spirit. It's in the spirit. It's one

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Speaker 2: Taylor what is it? Taylor Hey? Who the fuck was

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Speaker 1: Show, Sophie was the handsome man from uh Friday Night Lights?

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Speaker 1: What's his name? I got you on?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's defined.

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Speaker 2: Taylor Kitch. I knew there was a name, and not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the valley. Now that's the value.

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Speaker 2: Right right now. He wanted to be able to bring

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Speaker 2: The stated goal of the CJF was providing quote, children

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Speaker 5: Yeah, to take you a while to get your yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: speaking of a nursing degree. If you just want become

437
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 5: a nurse, buy any of the products and services that

438
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 5: support our podcast and you will be hired. You know,

439
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 5: you can learn on the job most of that kind

440
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 5: of stuff like setting an ivy easy, you know, surgical aid,

441
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 5: you know, assistant fine, right, no problem at all, all

442
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 5: kinds of stuff that you learn on the job, just

443
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 5: to just figure it out.

444
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Speaker 2: Right.

445
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 3: The truth is like, yeah, some stuff you just can't

446
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 3: learn in the classroom like you have to. You have

447
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 3: to do it.

448
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 2: Like what medicine does. Yeah, just try it, you know, listen,

449
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: That's what I do is I just buy medicine. Give

450
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 2: it to people. See how it works.

451
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 3: Doctors are really they're detectives. They're detectives.

452
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 2: They're not exact detective detectives. How many tail in all

453
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 2: can you put in a person's cake? And what does

454
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Speaker 2: it do to them?

455
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 3: Right?

456
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: These are all questions that medical science has answered, thanks

457
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 2: to me, you know, for myself. Anyway, here's ads ah,

458
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: I did just have a nice tile in all cake

459
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Speaker 2: prop You know you now know this?

460
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 3: Are you now bousolg? That means full? Peah, I'm full?

461
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: And you know the man doesn't want you to know this.

462
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: The woke liberal media won't tell you this. But the more,

463
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 3: if you eat enough thailand all, he becomes superhuman. It's

464
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 3: like eating a bunch of those zen pouches. Right.

465
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: When you mix enough nicotine and thailand all, then you

466
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 2: gain the ability to to see through the matrix, which

467
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 2: I have done. And all it took was vomiting up

468
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 2: blood a couple of months in a row.

469
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Speaker 3: I figured that what is that new? Uh? I mean

470
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,719
Speaker 3: it's like the new uh the little chew pouches that

471
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 3: you just that coming, little little white pouches that you

472
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 3: put in your in your jaw, look like look like

473
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 3: little little gun. So yeah, that's like the zen's right,

474
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 3: Is that what they call zens?

475
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I think that's what that be.

476
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, man, y'all loved him, and I

477
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 3: could see you mixing that with with some with some

478
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 3: thailand all and being a superhuman And now you can

479
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 3: like fly fish better than everybody.

480
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, fly fishing like the thing you'd gain the

481
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 2: ability to do for that su He's not fly fishing

482
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,239
Speaker 2: prop No, he is. I'm not really interested in it.

483
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 2: He is sex trafficking.

484
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 3: He is being disgusting.

485
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. So uh if the whole go to college one

486
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 2: day a week and then solicit funds for the KOJC

487
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: was too complicate, complex or expensive. There was another way

488
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 2: to allow his followers to stay in the US as

489
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 2: long as he needed them, which was to fuck with

490
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: who they were married to. Right, Apollo would simply order

491
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 2: followers to marry like so could because he's got churches

492
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 2: now in southern California. He would order his US followers

493
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: sometimes to divorce their existing spouses and then to marry

494
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 2: a Filipino follower so they could immigrate to the country

495
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: under a marriage visa. One of his chief lieutenants, Duenas,

496
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 2: was responsible for organizing divorces for the followers selected for

497
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 2: this duty, who happened to be married already. Now shitt' up. Yeah,

498
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 2: that's fucked up.

499
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Speaker 3: If you'll pass, the calls you into the office and say, hey, son,

500
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Speaker 3: I think the Lord has given me time to split

501
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 3: the vision.

502
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Speaker 2: I don't think this is working out.

503
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Lord wants you to marry her,

504
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 3: and I don't think that woman is the one that

505
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 3: God shows you. Yeah, that is not your ruth. You

506
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 3: are not his bow ass. You know what I'm saying, Like,

507
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: oh word, okay, Yeah, I thought we wasn't sposed to divorce,

508
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 3: didn't Jesus say we wouldn't.

509
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not not if not if the pastor needs

510
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: more money. Right, that's that's that's in there. One of

511
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Speaker 2: the translations King James just missed it. But one of

512
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: the earlier translations nailed is God still speaking. The Lord

513
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 2: spoke in the past and he's still speaking now. He's

514
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 2: speaking to his prophet now, and he's telling you to divorce.

515
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: One of the dead Sea Squall scrolls is just about

516
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: five oh one C three, says I'm telling you man.

517
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: So setting up sham relationships is not light work. As

518
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: the indictment notes, quote, defendants Duennas and de Leon, who

519
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 2: are two of his high up assistants, would prepare and

520
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: fire and file divorce paperwork on behalf of the KOJC workers,

521
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: sometimes without the knowledge or consent of the KOJC worker,

522
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: in order to manufacture the appearance of legitimacy for the

523
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: fraudulent marriages. Defendant Duennas would possess at M cards to

524
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: show immigration authorities that KOJC workers and the fraudulent marriages

525
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: had joint banking accounts, and defendants uh two of the

526
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 2: other defendants, wouldossess male and female wedding rings for KOJC

527
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: workers to use during fraudulent marriage ceremonies.

528
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: They bought too.

529
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 2: They're so this is such a bargain bin human trafficking operation. Look,

530
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: we only need two rings. We're gonna buckers around.

531
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: Hey, Hey, who got the rings today? Hey?

532
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: Send them to buy good ones. There's no law about that.

533
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: He's like, hey, can't you stop by a grea Bringham

534
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: rings over, we gotta go seand like we got married today.

535
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: Okay, customs has a bunch of ring experts. A phil

536
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: this is a very nice ring. Have we seen this

537
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: ring in the same ring?

538
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: Man? So crazy? Like the seventh person came with this ring.

539
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: This must be a popular one. Shit, maybe I should

540
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 2: get at this point.

541
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess they're chief in the Philippines.

542
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: I love that one. Huh yeah.

543
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

544
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: Now, from what I can tell based on the indictment,

545
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: the followers brought into the United States, where again mixed

546
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: between those who existed purely to bring in money for

547
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: the church and pastorals meant to service Apollo and some

548
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 2: other members of the high brass of the cult on

549
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: night duty. It is unclear to me if any of

550
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 2: the girls he used in this role had been pastorals

551
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: back in the Philippines. Extant information does suggest he largely

552
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: recruited unaware female victims ranging an age from twelve to

553
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: twenty five, by telling them they'd get a visa to

554
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 2: live and work in the United States if they agreed

555
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: to work as his personal assistance. Once they were stateside,

556
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: their passports and money were taken away from them. Their

557
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: communication was monitored, and they were used as sex slaves

558
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: for the Son of God. If they resisted, he'd threatened

559
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: to have his most loyal followers beat them, or he

560
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: would promise them eternal damnation. The indictment notes that pastorals

561
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 2: who performed their duties to include night duty to the

562
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: satisfaction of the defendant Kiboloi and other kg administrators were

563
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: awarded by defendant Kiboloi and other k KOJC administrators with

564
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: privileges including trips to tourists destinations like Disneyland, flights and

565
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: private jets, use of cell phones, and yearly monetary payments

566
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: referred to as honorariums by administrators honorariums Disneyland.

567
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 3: Hey but listen, but you could go to Disneyland. What's

568
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 3: crazy is I you know, you hear this stuff and

569
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: it's like as individual and unique and inventive, a lot

570
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: of these evil people are there are also it's the

571
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: same thing. Yeah, like it's it's it's I'm just like, oh,

572
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 3: this is the same old hustle, like the same you know. Yeah,

573
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 3: It's like, I can promise you a better life in

574
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: America if you just come and work for me. And

575
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 3: then once you get here, it's a disaster. And if

576
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 3: you don't work for me, you go in to heal.

577
00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: Like how you could drop that plot into every other country, India, everywhere,

578
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: and it's like it just sucks, man, just praying on

579
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 3: the poor who are desiring to make a better life.

580
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and at the end.

581
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: Of the day you just you're just horny.

582
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

583
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: I hate how regular that is. It's the point.

584
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: Is always the case that, right, like these are never

585
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: al around Hubbard being an exception, there's never anything like

586
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: really when you get down to it, it is like

587
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: this the most it's always the most venal, gross version

588
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: of it.

589
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 3: Right.

590
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: They are all like Jeffrey Epstein, this man who you know,

591
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: cloth clothed himself in this Like I'm this big donor

592
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: to a different site. I hang out with all of

593
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: these brilliant men, you know, I'm one of these members

594
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: of our like into our intelligencia, really thinking about the future.

595
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: And it's like, now you're just just a sex criminal,

596
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: just a sex tourism to come to him, you know,

597
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 2: And that's all this guy is despite dress up you know,

598
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: as the fucking son of God, right yeah, you know,

599
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 2: and you know to kind of make that point. Female

600
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: victims were ordered never to speak of night duty. Any

601
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: attempt to leave or avoid service was met with violence.

602
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: Apollo took to beating his pastorals if he caught them

603
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: communicating with other men, a behavior he sometimes defined as

604
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: innocent conversation. This he claimed was adultery and thus a sin.

605
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: In two thousand and two, we know that KIBOLOI had

606
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: sex with one victim, KF, who was fifteen years old.

607
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: In two thousand and five, he had sex with another victim, Ka,

608
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: when she was seventeen, and asked specifically beforehand if she

609
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: was a virgin. At times, he provided his victims with

610
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: lingeride aware or lotion to put on his body. He

611
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: would explain to his pastorals, all of whom had come

612
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: to him through his church one way or the other,

613
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: that it was God's will they performed night duty, and

614
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: that the father is happy over what the son is doing. Well,

615
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: that's all I'm going to cover in detail of that. Well,

616
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: there's one last thing, because I don't think we need

617
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: to be exhaustive about this, but I don't want to

618
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: gloss over it. And there's one more paragraph from that

619
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: indictment that we do need to cover before we move

620
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: on inner. About two thousand and nine, defendant Salinas told

621
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: victim ore E that if victim R was afraid to

622
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: go near defendant Kiboloi, then victim R had the devil

623
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: in her inner. About twenty eleven, defendant Kiboloi had sex

624
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: with the victim KP when she was approximately fourteen years

625
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: old in her About twenty fourteen, defendant Dan Dan, who's

626
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: one of the administrators, directed victim R to purchase a

627
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: rectile dysfunction medication for defendant KIBOLOI. Okay, that's probably enough.

628
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just want to make sure people know what

629
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 5: he did.

630
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: He's disgusting and that's terraffic and.

631
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably enough of that. So now the big difference.

632
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: We've taked rasteine a lot. He's alive too, but he

633
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: is he's no, no, no, Sophie, you're going to be

634
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: happy about where this was.

635
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: I think this ends well, this ends pretty well. You know.

636
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: Now the when it comes to the difference between this

637
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: guy and Epstein, because I don't get a feeling the

638
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: scale is actually all that different. These guys may have

639
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: been like very similar numbers of I think Epstein maybe

640
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: he did it for although I don't know. These guys

641
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: are actually kind of active similar periods of times. YAHOLOI

642
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 2: probably was working a little longer than Jeffrey was. One

643
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: of the big differences would be that Epstein seems to

644
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: have used the girls he trafficked and ordered a broker

645
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: favors and money. Maybe Apollo did that, but we don't

646
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: have evidence that he did, at least in this country.

647
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: Right Again, he's pretty tied in with like do Terte

648
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: sect in the Philippines, so maybe there is a lot

649
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: more of that going. There's allegations of its. More will

650
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: come out about this guy, right Like, that is kind

651
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: of the thing we just don't really know.

652
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: Now.

653
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: What gets him caught is that he's very sloppy on

654
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: the financial side of things. Remember the other half of

655
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: his human trafficking operation is people being brought in as

656
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: free labor to canvas for the church under the auspices

657
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: of helping the children. Yeah, this generated a lot of cash,

658
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: and Apollo was smart enough to know that keeping that

659
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: cash in bank accounts US officials could see was a

660
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: bad idea.

661
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of to say, like the forgetting that, like

662
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: you could pull this off in the Philippines because you

663
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 3: ain't got people like chasing down.

664
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: You got a lot of friends. Yeah, and you got a.

665
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: Lot of friends and people not chasing down specific stuff

666
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 3: like that, like here we got time.

667
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rodriguez would have come to the money. Yeah, Deuturritate

668
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 2: does not have poll with the FEDS in the United States. No,

669
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 2: So one of his lieutenants informed him that US customs

670
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 2: allowed people to fly in into and out of the

671
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: country with under ten grand in cash with no additional safeguards.

672
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: As followers would return home, he would have them roll

673
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: nine thousand dollars in cash into their socks and place

674
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: it in their luggage. Larger amounts of money were flown

675
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: in bulk back home via the private jet that the

676
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 2: church had amassed. Now, this is the kind of thing

677
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: you can get away with for quite a while because

678
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: none of the individual pawns are breaking any laws and

679
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: there's not really an incentive for the government to like

680
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: that kind of seems like a bunch of Filipino people,

681
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: because for another thing, I'm sure a lot of Filipino

682
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: people who like worked in the United States and return home. Also, oh,

683
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: they fly back all the time. Yeah, with as much

684
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: as they can. So it's the kind of thing like

685
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: you're never you're not gonna notice this easily.

686
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: No, I mean the joke earlier about like the balique

687
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 3: bion box, which the balik bion translates to just like

688
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: the one two return. So like it's very normal that

689
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 3: like when your aunts and uncles or whatever come from

690
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 3: the Philippines, there's a box of stuff that you can't

691
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: get here, you know what I'm saying. And then when

692
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 3: that family member goes back, they do the same thing.

693
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: They bring stuff that you can't get in the Philippines

694
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 3: from America there. So it's a very normal thing to have,

695
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 3: even like you said, like anybody who's traveled you know,

696
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 3: internationally that like yeah, it says if you have anything

697
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 3: over ten thousand dollars you got to declare it. But

698
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 3: if you have anything under that, that's fine. So even

699
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: having cash in your body buyon box, it's like it's

700
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 3: not that's not anything that would raise any concern. So yeah,

701
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: you're right, right. And also the fact that this is

702
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 3: a well known Pentecostal preacher, like we all know they

703
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 3: all got private jets like rays they think, so like

704
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 3: none of this is weird.

705
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: Right, especially since like back in the Philippines where the

706
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: money is actually going to be entering accounts, it's going

707
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: to be turned from cash into like other forms of money.

708
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 2: Like he's friends with, you know, after twenty sixteen, the president,

709
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: so he and his church are not going to get

710
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: targeted for any of this. He's good and it's like

711
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 2: this friendship with Deuterte, you know, comes in handy before

712
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: he's the president, when he's just the mayor. One particular

713
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: example of this came in two thousand and eight when

714
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: Apollo sought to purchase a two hectare parcel of land

715
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 2: owned by a man named Datu Diarog, a local indigenous

716
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: leader whose family land bordered the compound Apollo had purchased

717
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: at the foot of Mount Appo. The KOJC first offered

718
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: payments of varying size and then threatened to evict Datu

719
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: in his family from their own land. After this failed,

720
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: armed men raided the property three times, burning down several bills. Eventually,

721
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: they carried out a drive by shooting which killed dat two,

722
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: wounded his wife, and killed their four and eight year

723
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: old children. Now, Dattoo's widow put the blame on Apollo,

724
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 2: who himself blamed the New People's Army, the militant wing

725
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: of the Philippines Communist Party, which has been involved in

726
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: a garula war against the government for quite some time.

727
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 2: The Communists blamed Apollo, and from what I can see,

728
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: there's no reason that they would have murdered Datu and

729
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: his family, and every reason to suspect that Apollo did

730
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: because he was trying to buy this parcelageland. There's not

731
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: really any evidence this guy was beefing with the fucking

732
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: People's Front or whatever. Since this all happened on the

733
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 2: outskirts of Davous City while du Terte was mayor, it's

734
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: not hard to see why people suspect he played a

735
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: hand in ensuring no proper investigation was ever concluded into

736
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 2: the matter. If this is true, Apollo had a chance

737
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 2: to pay his friend back with interest a few years

738
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: later in twenty sixteen, when ju Terte announced his run

739
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: for president, Apollo was one of the first men to

740
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: back his candidacy, urging his followers to vote du Terte

741
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 2: and putting quite a lot of money behind his campaign. Now,

742
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 2: du Terte, being a mobster, did not forget this. When

743
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: he won the election. Apollo's home was the first one

744
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 2: he visited in person. The two eight together to celebrate

745
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 2: the coming of this new regime, and for a few years,

746
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: Apollo Kiboloi could rest easy knowing that nothing he did

747
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: would bring legal consequences to him or his church so

748
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: long as Rodrigo held power. And that is going to

749
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 2: lead us into some ads prop because that's who holds

750
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 2: power here at our podcast is the sponsors of this

751
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 2: motherfucking show. Oh and we're back. So in the US

752
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: during the Duterte years, the legal climate grew markedly less

753
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: friendly to the KOJC. In twenty fifteen, one of Apollo's

754
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: followers in Hawaii had fled a church compound and reported

755
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: to the authorities that they had been treed, affect, beaten,

756
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 2: and forced to have sex with Kiboloi. This person claimed

757
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: to have been forced into a re education camp, which

758
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: she described as a concentration camp where they shaved her

759
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: head and tortured her when she decided to leave. And

760
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: I really would like to know more about this concentration

761
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: camp he was apparently operating in Hawaii is bonkers. Yeah,

762
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: I did not know. That would be good to get

763
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: some additional context on.

764
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody tell me.

765
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: More about that. Yeah, As is often the case, it

766
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: was her word against his and the churches, and the

767
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: church claimed in return that she was only attacking Apollo

768
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: because she had gotten kicked out for molesting a minor. Right,

769
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 2: So they're like, no, she's the pedophile, right. Local prosecutors

770
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: looked into the issue. They attempted to make a case,

771
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: but they gave it up. In twenty nineteen. However, the

772
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: FBI had gotten tipped on to Apollo at this point,

773
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 2: and I'm not precisely sure what it was that got

774
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: them on, if it was just that case, you know,

775
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: that local case that got dropped yeah, or what. But

776
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen, they rated one of the Colt's private jets.

777
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: Before it could take off from California to Manila, they

778
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 2: caught Apollo and one of his female aids with three

779
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars in cash and rifle parts. So Apollo

780
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,959
Speaker 2: gets taken into custody. Rifle parts yeah, wow, Okay, Paula

781
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 2: gets yeah, that's an itar violation.

782
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

783
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: So Apollo gets taken briefly into custody, but his assistant

784
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: pled responsibility for the money and gun parts. So she's like, hey, look,

785
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: it was mine, right, And once they've done that, you're

786
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: kind of fucked unless you have proof that they were lying. Right.

787
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: So he gets let go and he takes a private

788
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: flight back home to the Philippines and is like, yuess,

789
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: I can't go to the US no more a bit, guys,

790
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get Epstein to the way.

791
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: He yeah, yeah, yeah, looks yeah, no, no, no, no no,

792
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 3: that's all I need to see.

793
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 2: So at this point in the US, a local and

794
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: a federal investigation had both failed to bring Apollo down,

795
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: but he was again smart enough to know that, like,

796
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: I just can't travel freely anymore, so I'm going to

797
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: stick to my compound near Mount Apo. So while he's

798
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: doing that, continuing to preach living it up. In twenty

799
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: twenty and twenty twenty one, the FBI finally filed an

800
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: indictment against Apollo and several of his chief lieutenants. And

801
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: that's what I've been quoting from several times in these episodes. Now,

802
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: there are raids on several church properties in the United States,

803
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 2: but so long as Apollo remained in the Philippines, he

804
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 2: could count on the protection of his allies in the government.

805
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 2: He even had the Church flex its muscles to get

806
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 2: a Filipino prosecutor to charge the Hawaii news now who

807
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 2: reported on the case, with criminal libel in the Philippines.

808
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: I think they're probably gonna be okay on those charges now,

809
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 2: but yeah, thank god, yeah sure they were sweating them.

810
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: Oh wait, yeah, it is las in Hawaii too, so

811
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 3: I can see how he's got homies over there. I

812
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: this is somewhat of a side note, but part of

813
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: what part of how I got radicalized for real was

814
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: like in college, and so this Filipino girl, I think

815
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 3: she teaches SFCA. I can name her because she's such

816
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: a g Her name's Irene, right, and she was a

817
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 3: few years older than me. I had no idea like that,

818
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 3: the type of gorilla warfare of freedom fighters, that the

819
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: way that was, how it was like they was really

820
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 3: bounted in the Philippines and we was in college. She

821
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 3: was the first person to tell me I'd be good

822
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 3: at poetry. And I just had such a crush on

823
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 3: her because I'm like, really, you think so, you know,

824
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: I'm saying so, like I totally started doing poetry. But

825
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 3: she I say all that to say, at some point

826
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 3: she shaved her head and she moved to the Philippines

827
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: to like fight in with the gorillas. You know what

828
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 3: I'm saying. She's like, And I was like she little five,

829
00:42:55,400 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 3: but nothing like and Irene knows. I'm like, you know,

830
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 3: everybody were adults now, but just I just thought she

831
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: was smoking hot and like the coolest girl I've ever

832
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: met that. I was just like this little like, Yo,

833
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,479
Speaker 3: I'll follow you into the jungles, like where are we going?

834
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 3: I'm with you. You know what I'm saying. Let's go

835
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 3: give me you know what I'm saying, give me my

836
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: brong and let's go.

837
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: Right, you call your friends writer or die. I'm sorry,

838
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: that's not what that word means.

839
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, you know. And I was like okay, So anyway,

840
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 3: I got put onto like all that like when you

841
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 3: when you were talking about Yo, there was just like

842
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 3: really insurgence, this communist thing. I was like, oh wait,

843
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: like my home girl went. You know what I'm saying,

844
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: from what to get this? What to y'alla? High school?

845
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 3: Sophie like from from Chino, like she said she was

846
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 3: from Chino. And then we went to school at fullerted

847
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: broke out and I was like, yo, you you have talked.

848
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, like, she's part of why I radicalized.

849
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,959
Speaker 3: Was like this this Filipiedo Stepma, like not even Noah

850
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: audience was happening. You feel me liked she dogs she

851
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: lit it up, dude. Yeah, anyway, he's at aside, but

852
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 3: shout out Irene.

853
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: Shout out Irene, and not a shout out to Apollo,

854
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: who at this point is safely live streaming. You know,

855
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: his video sermons from Mount Appo, which the church had

856
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: renamed Glory Mountain on his YouTube program power Line, which

857
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: is quite act, isn't Isn't power Line the name of

858
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,959
Speaker 2: the of the pop star from the Goofy movie?

859
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: Yes it is.

860
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, that's good. I'm choosing to believe that's his

861
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: second career, that he found Jesus after like maybe getting

862
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 2: too addicted to cocaine and he moved to the Philippines.

863
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: That's where I'm on about the power Line. Yeah, according

864
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: to the goof Troop, Yeah, that seems like where power

865
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 2: Line would have gone.

866
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, yea.

867
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 2: The situation didn't start to change until Rodrigo ju Terte

868
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: announced his intention to step down at the end of

869
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: his term in twenty twenty two. I think he had to,

870
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: but he everyone was kind of wondering, is he just

871
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: kind of like stay right? This likely? Uh, you know,

872
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: the fact that he ultimately doesn't push them matter probably

873
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: had something to do with the fact that he was

874
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: There was an ongoing ICC investigation over his war on drugs,

875
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: which had killed at least six thousand people but is

876
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 2: believed to have led to tens of thousands of deaths.

877
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 2: So de Terte was ultimately succeeded by what should have

878
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 2: been a friendly regime to KIBOLOI, the son of the

879
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 2: former dictator Ferdinand Marcos Junior, better known as one of

880
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 2: the great world leaders. Names around right now, Bong Bong Marcos.

881
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: That's a name. That's a good name for your president.

882
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, listen, sorry hard Yeah, listen listen. President Trump

883
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 3: shooting his fist up with the blood coming out his ear,

884
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 3: talking about fight fight.

885
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: Bondong could take him.

886
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but I'm saying that's look, that's hard as hell,

887
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: That's what he was saying. So a name like bon Bong.

888
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a three hundred and fifty ev sweep, my friend.

889
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 3: Yes, yes you will.

890
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: So Bongbong becomes the president alongside Di Terte's daughter as

891
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: his VP. So again you could be forgiven for being like, well,

892
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: none's gonna happen to Apollo with these folks in church.

893
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: Fine fucking Marcos's kid and du Terte's kid. It's alliance

894
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: of the failed children, my god. So yeah, now that said,

895
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: if you actually knew anything, and I don't, But this

896
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: is what people who know things about Philippine politics say,

897
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: is like, if you knew anything about the political alliance

898
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: alliances in the country, this alliance was always going to collapse,

899
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: right yea, and it sure as shit did. Here's how

900
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: the ap describes the start of the breakdown. Marcos reversed

901
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: du Terte's pro China stance and pivoted back to the

902
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: United States, granting Washington greater access to Philippine bassism. Ad

903
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: China's assertiveness in the South China Sea and near Taiwan.

904
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: He brought to the fore a twenty sixteen arbitral ruling

905
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: fortifying Manila's territorial claims in the South China Sea, which

906
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: jeu Terte largely set US side in a move seen

907
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: as directed at China, which is overlapping sovereignty claims in

908
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: the South China Sea. Marcos also sought to revive peace

909
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 2: negotiations with communist rebels which his predecessor had scrapped, in

910
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 2: which Sarah Juterte has described as an agreement with the devil.

911
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 2: So that's not just a conflict with the previous admin,

912
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: that's a conflict with his own VP. All of this

913
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: should have been taken by Apollo as a sign that

914
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: his time enjoying immunity and state protection might be nearing

915
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: an end. Apollo had always been a ferocious anti communist,

916
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 2: dating back to the first Marcos regime, and the fact

917
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: that Bongbong is now like, hey, let's talk to these people.

918
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: Not a great sign for you, anger Will Robinson. Probably

919
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 2: a good sign for the Philippines, but not for you.

920
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

921
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: As the situation between Uterte and Marcos degenerated, Marcos started

922
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: talking about rejoining the ICC, a move calculated entirely to

923
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: fuck with du Terte, who'd withdrawn the Philippines once the

924
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: ICC started investigating him. The breakdown eventually culminated earlier this

925
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 2: year in both men accusing each other of being addicted

926
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 2: to drugs.

927
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: A drum Look, that's all it is.

928
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: He all drug He's high as hell.

929
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: He just high I do.

930
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 2: It's nice to know that, like, there's at least one

931
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 2: other country that's right on our level, you know. Yes,

932
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: the Philippines, the US, and the United Kingdom all just

933
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 2: messy more or less sitting in the muck together.

934
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, just messy as shit.

935
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ireland walks by and flips us all collectively a coin.

936
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: The US prosecutors, Yeah, that's funny. US prosecutors had been

937
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 2: among the many, many, many observers who recognized that the

938
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 2: political alliance between Deterte and Marcos wouldn't last, and that

939
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 2: its collapse would put Apollo Kaboloi at significant risk. In

940
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: December of twenty twenty two, the US Treasury Apartment sanctioned

941
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: Kiboloi and accused him of serious human rights abuse, including

942
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: pervasive rape of girls as young as eleven. No action

943
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: was taken at this pervasive not a great word with yeah, yeah, yeah,

944
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: no good word to put in front of except for

945
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 2: I guess none, but you wouldn't say it that way anyway.

946
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 2: No action was taken at this stage, But earlier this year,

947
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: as the alliance crumbled entirely, a Philippine court was given

948
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: the go ahead to order Kiboloi arrested on suspicion of

949
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: child sex abuse and human trafficking. Now, I have mentioned

950
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: a few times in this episode how very American in

951
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 2: styling Apollo is, and one of his many inspirations seems

952
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 2: to be friend of the Pod David Koresh. As soon

953
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 2: as the government came after him, KIBOLOI went to ground,

954
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 2: locking himself in the underground bunker complex he had built

955
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 2: in his mount He built underground bunkers. Ah, man, you

956
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 2: know again, I'm just hoping this place is for sale soon.

957
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 3: He is when I tell you, like late nineties, early

958
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 3: two thousand, like, uh, speaking of power line Pentecostal, Like,

959
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 3: what's the word? I'm looking for the name and acclaim

960
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 3: at guys like why can't I think of the name

961
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 3: of what they was? Prosperity? Oh gospel, Yeah, just very

962
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 3: much prosperity gospel. And you remember they was into selling

963
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 3: the Y two K stuff. Sure they were selling. You

964
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 3: are hitting every note. You know what I'm saying.

965
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 2: You won't.

966
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 3: Oh you got a bunker in the Philippines, bro, Like

967
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 3: you be taking note.

968
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 2: Hiding in tunnels beautiful wow. So as he hid in

969
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 2: his tunnels, he told his followers the devil had orchestrated

970
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 2: all of his problems. A write up by NBC News

971
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 2: describes what happened next. About two thousand Philippine police officers

972
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: surrounded the property. They were backed up by hundreds of

973
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: soldiers as riots erupted among congregants who rallied to defend

974
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 2: their leader. According to local media, more than six hundred

975
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 2: police officers were injured in violent clashes with church members

976
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: who protested Kiboloi's innocence. One member died of a heart

977
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: attack during the initial raid. Police said they would not

978
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 2: leave the compound without Kiboloi, who said he would not

979
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: be caught alive for days. The standoff rage, Yes, he's

980
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 2: about to the day is the standoff rage?

981
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 5: Does?

982
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 2: KOJC followers line the streets to act as human barricades

983
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: to keep the police out. For their part, Filipino authorities

984
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: were unable to locate Phil Kiboloi in any of the

985
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 2: main buildings of the compound, and head resort to the

986
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: use of ground penetrating radar, with which they essentially found

987
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: his heart beat.

988
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 3: Ground penetrating radars like.

989
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: It's all good heart beat under that.

990
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 3: Listen just when you in a safety streets yeah, is hilarious.

991
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 3: Arms swats dudes and and one guy, one nerd in

992
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 3: the back is like, hey, guys, guys, guys, guys, relax,

993
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 3: go get some coffee. I'll find his heart they go

994
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 3: right there. How you know I could I could hear

995
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 3: his heartbeat.

996
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: I'm not coming to bat for the sex criminal. I'm not,

997
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: but I will say, where are we as a society

998
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 2: when a cult leader can't even hide in underground tunnels

999
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: without the authorities using ground radar? Is that the police

1000
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 2: state we want to live in? You know?

1001
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 3: Brother, man, I don't know, like, I don't know. I'm

1002
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 3: not with that. Yeah, I feel, you man, like the

1003
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 3: police got too much power.

1004
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 2: I think the police should have to raid those tunnels,

1005
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 2: you know, but like fucking tunnel uh rat stuff like

1006
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: I'm a fucking thirty eight revolver and a knife and

1007
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 2: have him crawl the fuck in there, right, the son

1008
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 2: of a bitch, you know.

1009
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, earn it, Yeah, yeah, you'll get for this. You

1010
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 3: don't get that exactly exactly. I think we're on the

1011
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 3: same page here, so earn it. This is obviously just

1012
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 3: hearing that. You can say, like, well, I see why

1013
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 3: people were worried this is going to end in tremendous bloodshed.

1014
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: This doesn't seem like the kind of situation. Yeah, this

1015
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: is the kind of situation. This could have gone a

1016
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: lot worse than it did effect but after about two

1017
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 2: weeks of this shit, Apollo and several of his top

1018
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: people surrendered to the authorities, and they are currently in custody.

1019
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: At this point, it is too early to say how

1020
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: the situation's gonna pan out. KIBOLOI seems like he's dead

1021
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: to rights after his prosecution in his home country. He

1022
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 2: should be extradited to the United States, which has more

1023
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: than enough dirt to put him away forever if the

1024
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 2: Philippines does not. That said, we're talking about a connected

1025
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: man in a country with a lot of corruption. To

1026
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: Terte's daughter, the VP has been publicly attacking Bongbong's administration,

1027
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: which she's a part of, over Apollo's arrest. It's not

1028
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: impossible that he fucking makes something happen here, right the

1029
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 2: Philippines at least, Yeah, I don't think that's likely. I

1030
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 2: think he's probably fucked, But you know, I've been wrong before,

1031
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 2: so I'm not gonna say definitely. You know, keep an

1032
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 2: eye on this bad boy while he is locked up.

1033
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 2: The church itself has wasted no time launching a media

1034
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: blitz to try and defend the Son of God's contact.

1035
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: They put out a statement on the alleged human trafficking

1036
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 2: within the Kingdom, which makes what I would describe prop

1037
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 2: as a flawed argument. Quote. In the Kingdom of Jesus

1038
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 2: Christ doctrine, your freedom of choice is the highest form

1039
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: of human rights exercise and in the KOJC we uphold

1040
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 2: this rule in everything we do as a corporate body

1041
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: or as an individual member. That's the reason why the

1042
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 2: Kingdom are the happiest in what they do and believe

1043
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 2: to die for, as they were not forced to do

1044
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 2: anything against their will. One of the cardinal rules in

1045
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 2: the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, which is the most important

1046
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: of all rules, is your freedom of choice or your

1047
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: freedom to choose, and exercising this rule, it means you

1048
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 2: cannot be forced or allow yourself to be forced to

1049
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: do anything against your own will no matter what. So

1050
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: that means anything you do or anything that happens to

1051
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 2: you is your own voluntary will or choice. We believe

1052
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 2: in free will so strong ugly that anything that happens

1053
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 2: to you is something you chose. So if a bad

1054
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: thing occurs, that's on you.

1055
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 3: That was your choice. When you made it, it was

1056
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 3: cool until you say it, and that happens to you.

1057
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 3: Like anything you choose you didn't choose. We're going there,

1058
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 3: huh yeah like wait what like yeah, yeah, totally like.

1059
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 2: Being alive, you accept it's your fault if I fuck with.

1060
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 3: You, you know, yeah, I mean that's your choice. Yeah,

1061
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 3: joined the Kingdom.

1062
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, I don't think that's I'm not an expert

1063
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 2: on the law in the Philippines, right, I'm gonna tell

1064
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 2: you that right now, prop I will say, I don't

1065
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: think that's holding up at a US court.

1066
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 3: Fam Yeah yeah, yeah, my face with that bullshit, like

1067
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 3: not even Florida, yeah not Yeah, Like, come on, guys.

1068
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: I do hope that Apollo takes some comfort from the

1069
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 2: fact that while his own legal situation might be dire,

1070
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,919
Speaker 2: he at least has friends. And you know, that's really

1071
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 2: what it's all about, is we're all going to have

1072
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: ups and downs, right, Having friends is really what matters

1073
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: in your time in need. And I want to read

1074
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: to you a very funny quote from an April third,

1075
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two article by the inquirer. Oh yes, yeah,

1076
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 2: it's a Philippines paper.

1077
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Duette yesterday said that he offered to be the administrator

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00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 2: of the KOJC properties to unburden his friend of its

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00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,959
Speaker 2: day to day operations. The present rumblings, I would say,

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00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 2: would maybe distract the pastor with the day to day operation.

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00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: It was I who offered pastor. In the meantime, you're

1083
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 2: trying to figure out the things that you're going to

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00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: do or say regarding this present whatever, I will run

1085
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 2: things for now, du Terte said during an interview with

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00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 2: bloggers Do Tarte, however, specifically requested that he'd be left

1087
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: out of the financial side of the group's operation. Let

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00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: me focus on the properties to see the way that

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00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 2: it's preserved well for the congregation.

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Speaker 3: Hey man, I'll take I'd love to take this off

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00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 3: your hands. Bro, Like, don't even worry about it. You

1092
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 3: got so much on your plate. I'll handle that, y'all

1093
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 3: Just still do the money thing. I'll just handle it.

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00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 2: It's such gangster ship. He's the last two sentences of

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00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: that quote. Love it do Turte also explained that he

1096
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 2: was chosen by Kiboloid because of their friendship. Why me,

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00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 2: because I am his friend, he said. Det said he

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00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 2: used to have his firearms serviced by a guy who

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00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: was living behind the Church of Kiboloid in the city

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00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: slum area. That's how he says. They met all my

1101
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: guns worked on met this guy in the slums. Anyway,

1102
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: I should take the buildings.

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00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 3: Hearing that, Hearing that last statement makes me more be like, oh, no,

1104
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 3: you're not getting away with this. Your fuck you Yeah,

1105
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 3: like you not you. There's no there's none you can

1106
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 3: pull him if he was like a fucking.

1107
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 2: Blizzards are picking at you, bro.

1108
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yet they did already. Yet they had already divided

1109
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 3: yo estate. That is not a good sign off you

1110
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 3: staying in jail, homie. They put you up under the

1111
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 3: jail dog. He told amen. Hey, look, don't worry about it.

1112
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 3: I'll take care of your property.

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00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 2: I got you back. I keep keep an eye on

1114
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 2: this stuff. No, you're definitely are You're definitely gonna get out.

1115
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: You won't be in prison forever for sure.

1116
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 3: To hold this for you. Hey, hey, homie, you listen

1117
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 3: to somebody. Look when you when you go to jail, Robert,

1118
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 3: for all the crimes you have said on.

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00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: This crimes like well, I call them crimes too.

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00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, when you do, and if somebody

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00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 3: says it, says you're doing fifteen years, Robert, don't worry

1122
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 3: about it. I'll take care of your wife.

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00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 2: That is.

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00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 3: That's that's she's not your wife no more. That's whoever

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00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 3: it is. That's right, this is a fictitious wife.

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00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 2: But you know, prop they are my tunnels beneath my house.

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00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: And I'm going to tell you one thing. I'm not

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00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 2: leaving just because some cops have radar. I got gas masks,

1129
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 2: you know, I got air filters. Yeah, I'm staying in

1130
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 2: the tunnels. Never like the tunnels.

1131
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 3: I am absolutely figuring out how to get my entire

1132
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 3: family to your house. Huh. When this goes down and.

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00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: Lots of tunnels will be honestly, more tunnels than the

1134
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 2: city says I'm allowed to dig out here my house

1135
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 2: could be a problem when that quay kits, this might

1136
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 2: not be a great place to have tunnels.

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00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 3: Not.

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00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Actually, that's where faith comes into the picture, my friend.

1140
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: That's where hopefully you are also chosen by God and

1141
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 2: saw the cloud by day wey kits.

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00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 3: I didn't get to mention that too. Like the Another note,

1143
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 3: he's hitting is you know, when Moses went to the

1144
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 3: top of the mountain to get the Ten Commandments, he

1145
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 3: went into the cloud m hm, and that's where God spoke.

1146
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 3: So when he came down from the cloud and he

1147
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 3: saw the rest of the children of Israel partying with

1148
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 3: the with the Golden calf, right, yeah, yeah, so he

1149
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 3: came out Yeah, yeah, totally, so like that so him,

1150
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 3: I forgot that. I was gonna mention that, like, yeah,

1151
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 3: he's hitting all the notes. He's basically saying, take every

1152
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 3: Sunday school lesson you learned about when God spoke and

1153
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 3: that all those things happening.

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01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, prop got any pluggables to plug?

1155
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, So if you're in La, the park's finest is

1156
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 3: a Filipino barbecue spot. I just figured them just at

1157
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 3: least just enjoy. Let's for all that this man has

1158
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 3: done to the p noise, let's figure out how to

1159
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 3: support them. So go download anything from Beat Rock Music, Bamboo,

1160
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 3: Rocky Rivera and then listen to my podcast hood. Politics

1161
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 3: were prop and here's some music, here's some poetry, and

1162
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 3: please yeah, yeah, man, continue to support us. But the

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01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 3: politics were prop man. We got some dope, we got

1164
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 3: some heaters coming up too.

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01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: Yep, listen to hood Politics, pick up props book Terraform.

1166
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 2: And also, as we have been recording this, the information

1167
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 2: has come in about the fucking apocalyptic flooding ass as

1168
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 2: a result of the goddamn hurricane Helena or Helene. Honestly,

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01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 2: I've just seen it for so far Helen is it

1170
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 2: just Helen's at the end, So I feel like.

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01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: She sucks no matter who she is.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is not her fault. This is our fault,

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01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 2: our hubris. Yeah, but anyway, Uh, it's really fucked specifically

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01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 2: North Carolina a lot. It's not the only place, but

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01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 2: like Ashville is. I mean, I'm hoping it's not as

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01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 2: bad as shit looks right now. But like there's a

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01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 2: there's a sign on I forty. I've seen a picture

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01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: of that just says do not travel in western North Carolina.

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01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 2: So we are raising money for disaster relief. Mutual Aid

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01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 2: Disaster Relief working to help people in Ashville right now.

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01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 2: Their PayPal is Mutual Aid Disaster Relief at gmail dot com.

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01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 2: Their venmo is Mutual Aid Disaster Relief. You can also

1183
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 2: go to Actionnetwork dot org slash fundraising slash Mutual aid

1184
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 2: disaster relief. We will have these links along with the

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01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 2: sources in our show notes, so check them out anyway.

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01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 2: Sorry if you're in North Carolina, good Luck.

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01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,440
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