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Speaker 1: Were on the Break Today is Wednesday, January twenty second, twenty,
Speaker 1: season fifteen, Episode one twelve of The Break, Live from Mobile,
Speaker 1: Alabama and the Reese's Senior Bowl. David Hellman, Nick Eatman,
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman's billing in for Derek Eagle. To much
Speaker 1: did Derek pay you to like know that episode? Zbro
Speaker 1: and all that stuff? I don't know, Zbro. I went
Speaker 1: back and listen to it. Now, the thing is, what'd
Speaker 1: you find when he went back and listen to it.
Speaker 1: This isn't the first time it's been correct all year.
Speaker 1: He hasn't switched it to twenty twenty. Yeah, Well, he
Speaker 1: go the first two, he goes by a completely, he
Speaker 1: go by season, he goes by the start of the
Speaker 1: league year. It's his own thing. Did not mean to
Speaker 1: have a five minute discussion about Derek's show. See, I
Speaker 1: just thought it was interesting that he said that he
Speaker 1: keeps saying twenty nineteen and we've never caught it. It
Speaker 1: means we're not paying attention. It's okay, okay. I went
Speaker 1: back and listened to it to pick it up, just
Speaker 1: to kind of like bring it up for you to
Speaker 1: listen to. So I'm all over the place, but we
Speaker 1: are live from Mobile, Alabama, the Reese's Senior Bowl all
Speaker 1: the week long here on Dallas Cowboys dot com. This
Speaker 1: is not the Draft Show. Despite the background, Cowboys break
Speaker 1: being represented by these two from Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
Speaker 1: But guys, a fun week already. Day one in the books,
Speaker 1: Day two coming up today. We'll be heading out to
Speaker 1: practices here in just a little bit. But really, after
Speaker 1: day one of the Senior Bowl, there were a lot
Speaker 1: of storylines Cowboys wise. Stephen Jones talked to the media
Speaker 1: and then you guys really got a chance to dive
Speaker 1: in and look at some of these guys that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys could potentially be looking for come Draft day in April. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the time of year where you're kind of
Speaker 1: still talking about last year, but not as much, you
Speaker 1: know now, because you got a coaching change. All eyes
Speaker 1: are forward, but you know this is you can look
Speaker 1: at the players on the field, and you know or
Speaker 1: do you need do you need some of these guys?
Speaker 1: Are they gonna come in? Are they gonna fit in
Speaker 1: this team? And then of course you got one eye
Speaker 1: on the field. He got also like where Steven worst Jerry?
Speaker 1: You know, that's kind of why another reason why we're here.
Speaker 1: So the Senior Bowl always has like multiple purposes that
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out here some cowboys, some future cowboys.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah it uh. I think it speaks to what's
Speaker 1: going on with the Cowboys right now that this is
Speaker 1: as small of a contingent as I can ever remember
Speaker 1: coming to the Senior Bowl for the team we sent everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's because that's what we do. But I mean, Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones was barely in Mobile. I think he had to
Speaker 1: go to an award ceremony in Houston last night. Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy and his coaching staff stayed back. So this is
Speaker 1: really this is Stephen Jones and the scouting department. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I don't want to call it bare bones
Speaker 1: because the whole scouting department is here, But I think
Speaker 1: it speaks to the focus that Mike McCarthy's got on
Speaker 1: what they need to get going at the Star, getting
Speaker 1: his program in place, and as a draft nerd, I
Speaker 1: kind of dig that, like the focus is so on
Speaker 1: the draft here at the Senior Bowl, which is obviously
Speaker 1: the point, but to Nick's point, there's usually so many
Speaker 1: other things going on here, but it really seems like
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are focused on the draft. We've we've done
Speaker 1: these in the past where Jerry tucks for thirty forty
Speaker 1: minutes and then Steven will talk for thirty minutes and
Speaker 1: Will McClay maybe, and you know, it was nine and
Speaker 1: a half minutes yesterday with Stephen Jones. Now, some of
Speaker 1: that could have been the fact that it was really cold,
Speaker 1: Like I don't care what the phone says of how
Speaker 1: cold it was. It says forty two degrees or whatever
Speaker 1: it was. It was worse than that. And I was
Speaker 1: only down there for ten minutes. All these guys that
Speaker 1: are in here that are behind the scenes working on
Speaker 1: this stuff, they were bundled up and it was like
Speaker 1: arctic freeze down there. A Scott Purcell was in a
Speaker 1: ski jacket the whole time and having fun with that.
Speaker 1: But that's why Stephen Jones, after about five minutes, it
Speaker 1: was like anything else, guys, No, we're not can do
Speaker 1: this in Dallas, can't we? But there wasn't a lot
Speaker 1: that kind of came out of yesterday. We can. We
Speaker 1: can get into some of it, obviously we will, but
Speaker 1: but you know, there wasn't this hard pressing like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I can't believe that, you know, sure, Jason
Speaker 1: Witten still still not talking about Jason Witten. Happy for
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett. I mean things that you know, you kind
Speaker 1: of expected. It's kind of going back to the coaching
Speaker 1: staff before we get into Stephen. We'll hear that some
Speaker 1: of the quotes from Steven here in just a moment.
Speaker 1: But with Mike McCarthy in his move here from Green
Speaker 1: Bay originally where he didn't necessarily have a whole lot
Speaker 1: of say come draft process wise, does that speak to
Speaker 1: him trusting the scouting staff so early on in his
Speaker 1: tenure by sticking back and not being in Mobile or
Speaker 1: is this just kind of changing of the guard in
Speaker 1: terms of the coaching staff and what he has to
Speaker 1: do back in Frisco. I think it's a little bit
Speaker 1: of both. Actually, yeah, I do think that. You know,
Speaker 1: with the Senior Bowl, it was like, all right, guys,
Speaker 1: go out there, Let's find some good players. Tell me,
Speaker 1: tell me the guys we need to be looking at,
Speaker 1: and then we get to the combine and maybe some
Speaker 1: pro days we'll look at them. You know, we'll tell
Speaker 1: you what we think and if maybe break some ties
Speaker 1: or whatever. But they're still in that process, you know,
Speaker 1: evaluate the guys, tell us who's out there, and then
Speaker 1: we'll give you our input when it's time. That is
Speaker 1: one of the most fascinating storylines for me for this
Speaker 1: entire offseason is what that relationship is going to be like,
Speaker 1: because I mean, if you watch the Draft show where
Speaker 1: you follow the draft process, it's a tail as old
Speaker 1: as time that it's such a collective process, and the
Speaker 1: coaches had a large say in that. You know, Tristan Hill,
Speaker 1: the coaches had a large say in getting him to Dallas.
Speaker 1: The coaches were in love with Layton vanderash not to
Speaker 1: dog on him too much. I mean, they made some
Speaker 1: good decisions too, but they had a heavy hand in
Speaker 1: that process. We are still trying to figure out just
Speaker 1: how heavy Mike McCarthy's hand is going to be. You know,
Speaker 1: It's one thing for him to say, you know, we
Speaker 1: want good players, let's go find some good players, But
Speaker 1: when it gets down to nutcutting time, are you are
Speaker 1: they really going to sit back and not be part
Speaker 1: of it? Because that hasn't been the way that it's
Speaker 1: been with the Cowboys for the last decade. So, you know,
Speaker 1: we try to talk to Stephen Jones about that yesterday.
Speaker 1: I think it's still early in the process to really
Speaker 1: have a firm handle on how that's going to work.
Speaker 1: But I can't wait to see what that collective decision
Speaker 1: making process is going to look like with the new
Speaker 1: regime and with the new regime and everything that it
Speaker 1: has to kind of be put in place for McCarthy
Speaker 1: as a whole. What is it going to be like?
Speaker 1: And how much realistic film are these guys gonna watch
Speaker 1: before the draft process is really getting a new crunch time, right,
Speaker 1: That's that's what I'm saying. It's the biggest thing. And
Speaker 1: like I said, they will like they're not just gonna
Speaker 1: ignore the process like that would be criminal, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you want your coaches to be part of
Speaker 1: selecting your draft class. But like I said, I mean
Speaker 1: what Mike McCarthy has been hired for about three weeks
Speaker 1: and his coaching staff has been in place for less
Speaker 1: than that. So I don't think that they're ready to
Speaker 1: hit the reck ground running on that as of yet.
Speaker 1: That's you know, Mike didn't bring his staff here, which
Speaker 1: I think is a great decision honestly, with all the
Speaker 1: stuff they've got to get squared away. But you know,
Speaker 1: February March, you know you're gonna bring it. You know
Speaker 1: you're still bringing in official visitors. They get a bunch
Speaker 1: of thirty of them to bring into the facility. Obviously
Speaker 1: your coaching staff is gonna be part of that. So again,
Speaker 1: really interested to see just how hands on or hands
Speaker 1: off they are looking at what Stephen Jones also talked
Speaker 1: about yesterday, talked a little bit about Jason Witten and
Speaker 1: also just where the priority lies in terms of these
Speaker 1: free agents and exactly what the Cowboys are going to
Speaker 1: do in order to attack those free agents. Let's take
Speaker 1: a listen, Reseach, Well, that's already it's been urgent for us.
Speaker 1: We want to certainly get that done and that's our
Speaker 1: number one priority as we go into the off season
Speaker 1: as to get his contract hopefully, you know, find some
Speaker 1: resolution to it and get that bunch. Do you have
Speaker 1: any idea on idea on the future of their has
Speaker 1: it been anything and he had discussions. Really nothing there
Speaker 1: to comment on. We talked about last off season. A
Speaker 1: lot of this time is taken the next step. Even
Speaker 1: though you have all these free agents, you have a
Speaker 1: new coaching staff, is that still the goal is absolutely
Speaker 1: and uh no, I think we've got a good, you know,
Speaker 1: good team that's in its prime. We've got a good
Speaker 1: mixture of players. And you know, part of the reason
Speaker 1: why dri and I were really set on finding not
Speaker 1: only a coach with experience, but a coach that had
Speaker 1: you know, had real success in the playoffs and uh
Speaker 1: you know it played in big games, and that was
Speaker 1: very important that we find that guy because we do
Speaker 1: believe this team, you know, can certainly have that type
Speaker 1: of success. Just putting a franchise tag on a quarterback
Speaker 1: change a lot of what you would want to do
Speaker 1: in free agency. Last limit you if you have to
Speaker 1: tag around that Jones saying they're definitively Dak Prescott's our guy.
Speaker 1: He's our number one priority in free agency. That's not
Speaker 1: necessarily new, right, But the thing is he said Amari
Speaker 1: is number two. Amaris the second priority. Where does that
Speaker 1: kind of resonate with you guys, because now it kind
Speaker 1: of sets the pecking order as to what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are going to do in the office. Well, and I
Speaker 1: think it should because you know, when when Dak is
Speaker 1: the key to everything here. Um. I asked even yesterday
Speaker 1: about can you function with all the things you want
Speaker 1: to do if you're giving him a franchise tag? And
Speaker 1: he sounded like that was no big deal. Sure, that's
Speaker 1: just thirty million on the cap, right or what is
Speaker 1: it twenty? Well, it's thirty three if they go exclusive,
Speaker 1: which but I mean they got eighty game million in
Speaker 1: cap space, I think people, which I get it, they've
Speaker 1: got like twenty seven guys to resign, but the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have a lot of room to work with. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: do just thirty three million, just like that. I would
Speaker 1: it mean we'll throw another sixteen on top of it
Speaker 1: if you transition Taka Marii Cooper. Now you're talking, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not good at math, but that's about
Speaker 1: fifty million. Yeah, I don't do that. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: You don't want to do that? And then when does
Speaker 1: that put the rest of your roster guys like Byron
Speaker 1: Jones fun Yeah, exactly. You're you're you're basically writing him
Speaker 1: off at that point. Yeah, and that's when when he
Speaker 1: was walking off, he said one and two. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't a one A and one B. This was a
Speaker 1: Dak is one and Mari's two and So I don't
Speaker 1: think that's super surprising though now, I mean to you,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's something we could have guessed that.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, there's always going to be
Speaker 1: the contention of people that want to try to deal
Speaker 1: Dak or you know, find somebody in the draft that's
Speaker 1: not going to happen. I don't know how betimes if
Speaker 1: you've been hit up for Joe Burrow more times than
Speaker 1: I can count, and it's fun to talk about it,
Speaker 1: but it's not going to happen, which I'm but I
Speaker 1: am interested to see what exactly that looks like, because
Speaker 1: if I had to guess Dak is heading for a
Speaker 1: franchise tag like that, you just you don't see very
Speaker 1: many of these negotiations sort themselves out before the start
Speaker 1: of the league year, because I mean, theoretically Dak could
Speaker 1: hit free agency and see how much he's truly worth.
Speaker 1: Obviously he would want to do that. And yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gone so far. It's gone so far here where even
Speaker 1: the season was gone. It's been some really good moments
Speaker 1: from Dak. It's been some moments where you know, he
Speaker 1: obviously could could be better. I mean at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, I mean he was an eight and
Speaker 1: eight quarterback, and yes, he put up a lot of
Speaker 1: yards and he had some moments of growth. You know,
Speaker 1: even though one of the coaches there is no longer here,
Speaker 1: I mean John Kitten. I think Kitten had helped a lot.
Speaker 1: I think Kellen Moore I'm sure helped some as well.
Speaker 1: But I you know, the fact is is that Dak
Speaker 1: he didn't in the season the way you want him to.
Speaker 1: You want this guy to be a clutch make plays
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, bring him back when they need to.
Speaker 1: He didn't do that. Do I think he's still a
Speaker 1: franchise court Yes, I mean he's the guy. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: change it. I just don't know if he helped himself
Speaker 1: from a money standpoint. And then there's gonna be guys
Speaker 1: that did. There's guys that went on over the top
Speaker 1: that are you know, I had elevated themselves. It's a
Speaker 1: strong free agents class of quarterbacks well, and I think
Speaker 1: you can go all the way back to last year's
Speaker 1: off season with Dak, especially the talks that were had
Speaker 1: going into the preseason when they really kind of ramped up,
Speaker 1: and that's where you got the thirty to forty million
Speaker 1: kind of range that they were talking about in there,
Speaker 1: and I think Dak at that moment, said, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's put a pause on this. Let me bet on myself.
Speaker 1: Let me bet on myself for just a little bit.
Speaker 1: And it worked out. At the beginning, it looked like
Speaker 1: the first couple weeks of the season he was gonna
Speaker 1: win that bet, and he was gonna win it outright.
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna say he necessarily lost the bet
Speaker 1: because I feel like we're right back where we started
Speaker 1: last year, right around the low thirties potentially being that
Speaker 1: number that really gets this deal done. I think he
Speaker 1: wanted to be totally honest with you, and I hope so. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I know he went eight and eight. I know
Speaker 1: he didn't get the job done. But how much did
Speaker 1: he win it though? That's the question. All I know
Speaker 1: is the San Francisco forty nine ers set the market
Speaker 1: with Jimmy Garoppolo back at twenty seven million three years
Speaker 1: ago off the strength of eight games, and it looks
Speaker 1: great now because he's in the super Bowl. They had
Speaker 1: no idea that was going to happen when they signed
Speaker 1: him to that deal. Same thing with that, I mean,
Speaker 1: does Derek Carr have a better resume than Dak Prescott. No,
Speaker 1: but he set the market at one time in his
Speaker 1: life Matt Stafford. Dak has already accomplished more than Matt
Speaker 1: Stafford in terms of like postseason success. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it's a lot, but he has and so and he
Speaker 1: set the market like And that's what I always argue
Speaker 1: with people about, is that's just the way these things work.
Speaker 1: And I think, sorry, I know you got a point
Speaker 1: to make. But Dak was already in the range with
Speaker 1: Carson Winston, Jared Goff, and he went out and had
Speaker 1: the best season of his career. I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't want to hear that, but if anything,
Speaker 1: I think he firmly entrenched himself in the low to
Speaker 1: mid thirty range. He might not set the market, but
Speaker 1: he's not going below that and the other and then
Speaker 1: you know the other part, which Stephen Jones did an
Speaker 1: amazing job of not answering the question is Pat Mahomes
Speaker 1: and Deshaun Watson are eligible to negotiate contracts this offseason?
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes is probably going to be the first forty
Speaker 1: million dollar player in NFL history, And all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Dak's price ceiling goes up, like you could pay him
Speaker 1: thirty four right now. But if Pat Mahomes gets forty
Speaker 1: in two months, and all of a sudden, Dax says, well,
Speaker 1: I want thirty seven if Pat gets forty, And again,
Speaker 1: I know people don't want to hear that, but that's
Speaker 1: just the way these types of things work. So I
Speaker 1: think Dak Prescott is sitting prickedy right see if But
Speaker 1: to me, if Mahomes gets forty, if I'm the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I'm like, how could you even be thirty seven? How
Speaker 1: could you be close to that? Like? Is how is
Speaker 1: he close to Pat Mahomes at all? Yeah? I mean statistically,
Speaker 1: because that's Super Bowl that's what the Chief's willingness to
Speaker 1: pay Mahomes says a starting quarterback is worth. That's why, right,
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, you know that to me, when
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson got into thirty six. I was like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: how can you be higher than that? I mean, you're
Speaker 1: not one of the best quarterbacks in the league won
Speaker 1: a super Bowl if they would run the ball. He
Speaker 1: wins two super Bowls, you know, I mean he's got
Speaker 1: he's he's just done more with his career, and I
Speaker 1: think Pat Mahomes has as well, even Watson has, so
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just depends on Watson's done more
Speaker 1: than Dak. He hasn't been to an AFC championship game.
Speaker 1: He's lost four divisional right down the year's Dak. But
Speaker 1: I know that's what I'm saying. I'm saying, if anything,
Speaker 1: they're even Yeah, I guess they're I guess they're even
Speaker 1: one year behind in the draft. How many playoff wins
Speaker 1: does Watson have? It can't be more than one or two, right,
Speaker 1: I think it's two, okay, because they've well know they've
Speaker 1: won four division titles or division Oh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's it's right around three. Probably it's on his third year.
Speaker 1: Which to go back to my point, though I know
Speaker 1: Garoppolos in the Super Bowl, his resume was not better
Speaker 1: when he set the market, and neither was Derek carrs
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins just final like he just made his longest
Speaker 1: playoff push and he got obliterated in the divisional round,
Speaker 1: just like that did. So those deals to me are
Speaker 1: always fifty percent what you've done, fifty percent of what
Speaker 1: you're going to do. And you know, if that's the
Speaker 1: case with Mahomes, it's really scary because I mean, if
Speaker 1: he's getting paid what he's done and what he's gonna do,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be higher. Then forty may not be may
Speaker 1: not get it done, true, and you're one hundred percent right. Listen,
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes is in his category all of his own.
Speaker 1: That's not the point I'm trying to make. But if
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes signs that deal this offseason, like that's the
Speaker 1: way negotiations work, Dak and his people are going to
Speaker 1: see that that. I would be shocked if they're going
Speaker 1: to try to like compete with Mahomes's number, but they're
Speaker 1: gonna say, well, we slot in here now, you know,
Speaker 1: because thirty six million a year is all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: a lot less than top of the market. It's just
Speaker 1: it's just the way it works, which is why I
Speaker 1: think it's so important for them to get this deal
Speaker 1: done sooner rather than later. What if the Chiefs, I
Speaker 1: mean they're not in a hurry, they don't have to
Speaker 1: do No, they absolutely don't. They absolutely do not. They've
Speaker 1: got him under contract for two more years. They could
Speaker 1: pay it. I mean, can you imagine what he will
Speaker 1: make in his fourth year if he's if he's unreal again, Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: what if they just say we're not doing anything right now.
Speaker 1: I mean he's probably would hold out, he could, that mean,
Speaker 1: I mean it's fat. I mean he is so far
Speaker 1: in a way like the best player in the NFL
Speaker 1: right now. Just int like what he brings to that team.
Speaker 1: And that's the you know, sitting here arguing Dak's credentials
Speaker 1: can't say anything about Mahomes. I mean, he's been to
Speaker 1: the AFC title Game in both of his years as
Speaker 1: the starter, he made it to the Super Bowl in
Speaker 1: his second season. Larry Well could win the Super Bowls.
Speaker 1: There's like no knock on his credentials at all. You
Speaker 1: can't do anything with it, which yeah, I mean he
Speaker 1: could almost name his price well. And I think the
Speaker 1: argument that you brought up about comparing Dak in Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson's resume, I think Dad needs to probably stand true.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's where I see where you're you're talking
Speaker 1: about in terms of the contract potentially for Dak growing
Speaker 1: a little bit because des John Watson's in that same
Speaker 1: conversation right now, is Patrick Mahomes as those guys that
Speaker 1: could be re up contract wise. But we'll dive deeper
Speaker 1: into that coming up here in just a little bit.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break. When we come back here
Speaker 1: on Cowboys Break, we will dive a little bit deeper
Speaker 1: into the Senior Bowl and look at some of these
Speaker 1: individuals that the Cowboys potentially could be picking up in
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Speaker 1: the Break, Welcome back. This is The Break live from Mobile, Alabama,
Speaker 1: the Reese's Senior Bowl. Now Keatman, Dave Elman, Kyle Yeoman's
Speaker 1: with you as I fill in for Derek Eagleton on
Speaker 1: the road here from Alabama and guys the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: this week. And we talked a little bit about Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones in the deck in Amari contract situation going on
Speaker 1: this offseason. But of course he was here for a reason.
Speaker 1: He was watching players, he was scouting a little bit,
Speaker 1: even though it may have only just been for a
Speaker 1: couple of moments yesterday he only stayed for the first practice,
Speaker 1: which was the South team here in Mobile, but at
Speaker 1: the same time he in speaking with you guys in
Speaker 1: the rest of the media following that first practice, kind
Speaker 1: of talked about the shift of players and the importance
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys to potentially draft just playmakers as opposed
Speaker 1: to fitting them into schemes, which is what we've been
Speaker 1: used to seeing as Cowboys fans for quite some time.
Speaker 1: How much is a shift? Is that? Is that a
Speaker 1: huge ship monumental that Cowboys fans don't even really know
Speaker 1: where to look at because it's been such a common
Speaker 1: thing for us. I think, you know, I asked the
Speaker 1: question to Steven. I thought he was going to give
Speaker 1: me an answer. I was like, well, that's kind of
Speaker 1: what we've always done, But he didn't. He said, no,
Speaker 1: it is kind of a change. And and you know,
Speaker 1: it's we've talked about this before. We hate when when
Speaker 1: there was free agents there, like why don't they get
Speaker 1: this guy? You know, he's he's a great player, and
Speaker 1: they need this position, they need a safety, they need
Speaker 1: a linebacker, they need this guy. Yeah, he's not a
Speaker 1: good scheme fit. These defensive tackles not a good scheme fit.
Speaker 1: And we're like, all right, well this scheme's got you
Speaker 1: eight and eight. I'm like, like, what, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just been frustrating. Yeah, so now we'll see if it
Speaker 1: if it actually goes down like this, But it just
Speaker 1: sounds like let's just get the players in, let's see
Speaker 1: what we've got, and then then we'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: That kind of goes back to what I was saying.
Speaker 1: I want to see how that works because like at
Speaker 1: the end, like there's gonna be some element of that,
Speaker 1: you know, like you're not gonna draft a quarterback at
Speaker 1: seventeen potentially if you're of course, if you resigned back,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna go for well not only that, but
Speaker 1: I mean you can even look at free agency and
Speaker 1: you know, I mean Mike Nolan's going to have a
Speaker 1: preferred type of safety that he thinks can play well
Speaker 1: for him, or defensive tackle for that matter. It might
Speaker 1: be a completely different archetype from what we're used to
Speaker 1: under Rod Marinelli. But coaches are still going to have
Speaker 1: their preference. But I wonder again how much say will
Speaker 1: they have or will they just you know, I love
Speaker 1: the idea, I really I need to we need to
Speaker 1: find will McClay and talk to him. I love the
Speaker 1: idea of Mike McCarthy just giving him a spreadsheet of like,
Speaker 1: this is what we're looking for in terms of traits
Speaker 1: at every position. Go do your thing, and that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's how I would ideally like this to go. Is
Speaker 1: if Will's kind of got the grocery list and he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, this is what they're looking for. I think
Speaker 1: I can figure this out. That would be interesting to
Speaker 1: look at, just to see the kind of conversations that
Speaker 1: would be had between the coaching staff and the scouting
Speaker 1: department with like we talked about in the first segment,
Speaker 1: such a new rapport between those two departments, the coaching
Speaker 1: staff and scouting and Stephen. It's I mean, Steven said
Speaker 1: yesterday that there have already been some productive talks between
Speaker 1: you know, McCarthy and and Will and him and Jerry
Speaker 1: just kind of the whole front office brain trust. I mean,
Speaker 1: it hasn't been a long time, but obviously, I mean,
Speaker 1: you want to get those ducks in a row heading
Speaker 1: into the draft projects. Almost sounds like you don't need
Speaker 1: it as much, you know, you don't really need to
Speaker 1: make sure, you know, if you had a new scout
Speaker 1: that came in like let's say last year or two
Speaker 1: years ago, and he's like, I got this defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: They're like, whoa, whoa, do you know what Rod Marinelli
Speaker 1: likes and all that. Well, no, but well you need
Speaker 1: to you need to figure it out. In this case,
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, I got some two or three
Speaker 1: really good players. We're going to figure this out, and
Speaker 1: you guys decide which one you like. I like this
Speaker 1: one over this one, and you know, and it's not
Speaker 1: like you have to know the coaches and you know,
Speaker 1: scouts don't need to go on some retreat together and
Speaker 1: hang out and know each other. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: and clearly they didn't, you know, they didn't. They didn't
Speaker 1: come here for you know. But again there's still a
Speaker 1: combine and that's really when it gets when it gets serious.
Speaker 1: Now you start ramping it up a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's you know, I kind of loved Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy's honesty last week when he met with us, and
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a lot of work to do
Speaker 1: getting everything together in Frisco. But he was also like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the tape is like HD quality well, like,
Speaker 1: what do I need to be in mobile for? I
Speaker 1: can just flip it on in my office. I was like,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, Like if you're not in networking, I
Speaker 1: mean I get why the scouts are here, that makes sense,
Speaker 1: But like, if you're not looking for a job or
Speaker 1: looking to network in this day and age, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what benefit there is for a coach to be
Speaker 1: here because you're gonna have a chance to meet with
Speaker 1: all these guys in Indianapolis. They can come to your facility,
Speaker 1: you can go work them out. You're gonna have about
Speaker 1: twenty five opportunities to see all of these guys. So
Speaker 1: I appreciate McCarthy's honesty, Like yeah, I mean we can.
Speaker 1: We can watch these practices anywhere. And they won. I
Speaker 1: mean that was that was the winner, because if you know,
Speaker 1: if they're gonna get the tape and they're gonna watch
Speaker 1: it in seventy two degree, you know, yeah, yeah, they're
Speaker 1: good for real. Yeah, they didn't have to put on
Speaker 1: four layers or five layers to get a lot of
Speaker 1: use out of my heavy jacket Gulf Coast weather. With
Speaker 1: all that being said, you're talking about McCarthy and the
Speaker 1: generality that he has in terms of saying, we aren't
Speaker 1: going to define a scheme yet. I mean, he said
Speaker 1: last week that there's gonna be four men up front
Speaker 1: on the defensive side. Took a while to get that
Speaker 1: out exactly like he really didn't. But even when he
Speaker 1: said it, he's still kind of backtracked it a little
Speaker 1: bit and said, hey, we're gonna run everything. Though, good
Speaker 1: watch out, We're gonna run a little bit of everything.
Speaker 1: Let's go. Is this mindset in terms of going and
Speaker 1: scouting players based off of the fact that you don't
Speaker 1: really know exactly what scheme you're gonna run on defense
Speaker 1: and the majority of our draft needs are probably relying
Speaker 1: on that side of the ball, Well, I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: they've got a better idea than we do, obviously, and
Speaker 1: which again I think it's exciting because you know, the
Speaker 1: analogy I always beat into the ground with the you know,
Speaker 1: the Garrett regime was like colored by numbers, you know,
Speaker 1: is like, well, this is our defensive tackle and he
Speaker 1: goes here and this is our cornerback and he did
Speaker 1: like just very regimented. And that's you know, that's why
Speaker 1: a guy like Tyron matt if you supposedly didn't fit
Speaker 1: here because basically they were like, well, he doesn't have
Speaker 1: a clear cut position, so we don't know what to
Speaker 1: do with him. That drove me up the wall because
Speaker 1: he's clearly a really good player, he's all Pro and
Speaker 1: going to the super Bowl. It's exciting to think that
Speaker 1: they can be changing that attitude. You know, maybe this
Speaker 1: will be a multiple defense. Maybe we'll see some three
Speaker 1: four looks. We'll see some four three looks, four two five.
Speaker 1: You know, Belichick's up in New England running like a
Speaker 1: two three seven or whatever the hell alignment that was
Speaker 1: this year. It's exciting to think that they could do
Speaker 1: a little bit of all of that. And so we're
Speaker 1: going to figure it out as the draft process goes.
Speaker 1: But like right now, I don't know what they're looking for,
Speaker 1: and that's like that. I feel like that is one
Speaker 1: of our biggest assignments from now until April is to
Speaker 1: figure out what they have their eye on in this ye.
Speaker 1: I think it'll be before that is when you'll really
Speaker 1: see kind of what they're looking for. You'll see a
Speaker 1: mentality change. In March, I mean, when you could we
Speaker 1: talked about twenty five twenty six free agents that they've got.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of those guys are on the
Speaker 1: defensive line, so we're gonna find out kind of how
Speaker 1: they feel about these guys, Robert Quinn and Malite Collins.
Speaker 1: You know that, I guess there's there more. I guess
Speaker 1: Michael Bennett is in that group. You know, where do
Speaker 1: they put the value on some of those defensive linemen
Speaker 1: and maybe a defensive lineman from other teams? You know
Speaker 1: that That's the one thing that I think we kind
Speaker 1: of overlook a lot is you know, Mike McCarthy as
Speaker 1: opposed to other coaches that have come from you know,
Speaker 1: like let's say Joe Judge, who was working who was
Speaker 1: in you know, New England, and now he's with the Giants,
Speaker 1: So you ask him about somebody from the Bears and
Speaker 1: he's like, well, you know, we didn't play the Bears
Speaker 1: or but like Mike McCarthy, supposedly they were looking at
Speaker 1: all teams last year. So from free agent standpoint, it's
Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see how well equipped he
Speaker 1: is to know what's out there in the landscape of
Speaker 1: free agency, because supposedly he was watching not every game,
Speaker 1: as he said, but it's a lot of games and
Speaker 1: he backtracked on that one a little bit out. Okay,
Speaker 1: press conference of your life man, Yeah, exactly. And one
Speaker 1: of the guys you mentioned the defensive line needing some
Speaker 1: holes to fill. One of the guys that could potentially
Speaker 1: fill those holes at defensive line, Javon Kinlaw, the defensive
Speaker 1: tackle out of South Carolina, could be there at seventeen
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. He's at the Senior Bowl here. Immobile
Speaker 1: got a chance to talk to him yesterday and he
Speaker 1: said something pretty interesting about where he thinks he could
Speaker 1: be as compared to Aaron Donald. And Aaron Donald come
Speaker 1: to this week really dominating some little by himself at
Speaker 1: the top prospect the kind of player you think, I
Speaker 1: think I can be better? Honestly, that's just the expectations
Speaker 1: I have for myself and that's just how high I
Speaker 1: am on myself. So quite the confidence from mister Kinlaw
Speaker 1: with the here at the Senior Bowl saying that I
Speaker 1: think I could be better than Aaron Donald. If the
Speaker 1: NFL scouts think that too, he won't be at seventeen.
Speaker 1: That's fair. So, I mean, if that's what if they
Speaker 1: think Donald Donald fell to what thirteen? Something like ten?
Speaker 1: He I mean, right, outside the top ten. It's crazy
Speaker 1: to think that he I mean, he did not go
Speaker 1: close to the top five by first round standards. Is
Speaker 1: what is a kin Law's like height, weight and all
Speaker 1: that six six over three hundred Yeah, three out of
Speaker 1: two I think is what he's passing the test. Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald didn't do that, you know, like he was for
Speaker 1: sure he fell thirteen. He fell twelve spots because it
Speaker 1: was like he's too short, He's not gonna be killing
Speaker 1: people like that. Yeah, which that is. It's an interesting
Speaker 1: dichotomy because Donald was like the most decorated defensive player
Speaker 1: in college football history, like he won in every award
Speaker 1: you can win. Dominated at Pitt kin Law super I
Speaker 1: mean freakishly talented guy. I mean, which actually I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, you know, mediocre program, but so was pitt Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it didn't matter. It's Donald whereas you know Ken
Speaker 1: Law and half the freakish production. He does have the
Speaker 1: freakish measurables. I think beauty's in the eye of the
Speaker 1: beholder there, because you see some tape where he absolutely
Speaker 1: just kills people. He's got some really crazy bend if
Speaker 1: you saw one on one pass Rustrials yesterday. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, you're like, Okay, where's the consistency? So
Speaker 1: it is interesting, Yeah, I mean, and I mean that's
Speaker 1: awesome that he thinks he can be better than Donald.
Speaker 1: Like every draft prospect I've ever talked to. Oh, I mean,
Speaker 1: if he's there at seventeen, I'm definitely interested. Okay, I
Speaker 1: just think it's funny that Donald used the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: as a launching pad. So it's only Wednesday, you know,
Speaker 1: Ken Law's got two more days of practice to go.
Speaker 1: We'll see what people are saying about him, because this
Speaker 1: is really the only opportunity where you actually get to
Speaker 1: do football. He looked pretty good yesterday. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he looked as good as Aaron Donald did when
Speaker 1: he came here, though. Aaron Donald was the thirteenth overall
Speaker 1: pick in twenty fourteen, and by that time, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's Saint Louis Rams utterly insane. Yeah, unbelievable. I mean,
Speaker 1: and Nick's absolutely right, Like if he's six one instead
Speaker 1: of like five to eleven, he's a top three pick.
Speaker 1: You know, I remember that draft. There were three defensive
Speaker 1: players the Cowboys really wanted and then and they all
Speaker 1: went ahead of the Cowboys there they're sitting at a
Speaker 1: belief sixteeneen and Donald was one of them. Anthony Barr
Speaker 1: was another, Ryan Shazier. They all went off the board
Speaker 1: like within five picks, and you know, we all kind
Speaker 1: of see that lining up in the draft like this too.
Speaker 1: I mean, you got guys like Grant Delpit, you got
Speaker 1: a guy like h like Javon Kinlaw. Maybe is Xavier McKinney. Sure,
Speaker 1: those are three guys the Cowboys could be honing in
Speaker 1: on in terms of a draft pick defensively in that
Speaker 1: first round and sitting at seventeen, there's no there's no
Speaker 1: nothing that says that they won't be gone by the
Speaker 1: time seventeen. Also point out the fact that Cowboys got
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, yeah at sixteen, and had to fight off
Speaker 1: Jerry not to take Johnny Manziel and they up you know,
Speaker 1: Zach Wark, so he ended up ended up working out great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess you would hate saying this about Zachon Martin.
Speaker 1: We'd rather have Aaron Donald, yes, And that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's no disrespect towards Zack Martin to say it's
Speaker 1: been incredible. You would rather have arguably the best defensive
Speaker 1: player in the NFL over the last decade. You have
Speaker 1: a great memory when it comes to draft. Who went
Speaker 1: with number one in that draft that would have been
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. Was that Clowne's draft? Or was clown before that?
Speaker 1: I think he was twenty thirteen, wouldn't he know? Uh?
Speaker 1: Number one? Sorry? Ass Well, this is gonna drive me
Speaker 1: derails it a little bit. My point is is I
Speaker 1: don't even remember who went top five, but it's gonna
Speaker 1: be hard to say that Donald and Martin wouldn't be
Speaker 1: in the top three or four picks there. It was
Speaker 1: Jadavian Clowney, by the way, as the top pick. Don
Speaker 1: David Hellman through a little bit, Okay, yeah, I mean, well,
Speaker 1: oh it's a pretty loaded draft, but the top five
Speaker 1: is not that great. Yeah, you got Clowney and then
Speaker 1: Greg Robinson the offensive tackle for No. Or if he is,
Speaker 1: he's like I don't think believe hanging on Blake Mortal,
Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins, he's still in the league course at four.
Speaker 1: And then it goes Khalil Mack, Jake Matthews, Mike Evans.
Speaker 1: Not bad, pretty good. I mean those are three guys
Speaker 1: that have been to a Pro Bowl. Justin Gilbert was eighth,
Speaker 1: Anthony Barr went nine, Eric Ebron tenth, Odell Beckham went
Speaker 1: twelfth to the Giants, one pick before Aaron Donald. This,
Speaker 1: I mean, that was a really great draft, but I'm no.
Speaker 1: I mean, to Nick's point, if you're looking at this,
Speaker 1: you're saying you're redoing it. Khalil Mack, Mike Evans Um.
Speaker 1: I think if you Aaron Donald and Zach did that draft,
Speaker 1: you would probably take Zack Martin. We got a pretty
Speaker 1: good pass rusher draft two, because that was the same
Speaker 1: draft that Cowboys went and selected DeMarcus Lawrence in the
Speaker 1: second round at thirty four. Yeah, so you got a
Speaker 1: good pass pass rusher with there, and you got in
Speaker 1: your first two picks, you got Zack Martin and d
Speaker 1: Loss And where are the Cowboys picking right around the
Speaker 1: same spot. It sounds dumb to say, but I mean
Speaker 1: this is as high as they've picked in recent memory,
Speaker 1: because thanks to all these good draft picks, they've been
Speaker 1: finishing with winning records like those are their worst record
Speaker 1: since twenty sixteen, and they got Martin after a mediocre
Speaker 1: season in twenty thirteen. So I'm really excited about who's
Speaker 1: going to be there for them at seventeen. But what
Speaker 1: I like about that pick in certain positions are that way,
Speaker 1: is that if you say sixteen seventeenth pick. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: can you really get a good player if you get
Speaker 1: valued um spots like a guard? Yeah, you know, if
Speaker 1: you'd take a guard at sixteen or seventeen, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get probably the best guard in the draft. Maybe it depends.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know Quenton Nelson a few years ago
Speaker 1: with five or six, and he's been awesome. But you'd
Speaker 1: take a guard that high if you take a center.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying nicaboys need those spots, but tight in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: traditionally is that way. Now there's an exception to the rule,
Speaker 1: I guess in Eric Ebron. But um, you know, he's
Speaker 1: an interesting name too because he's he's going to be
Speaker 1: a free agent, right is and I and I think
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that Jerry and and and
Speaker 1: you know Will and I think we'll see about McCarthy
Speaker 1: if they like that kind of player. But that wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprising to me. We've got a guy in Blake Darwood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we like him, but he's a twenty six year old
Speaker 1: free agent. He's go out and see what we can
Speaker 1: do here that eighty million dollars of cash. They can't.
Speaker 1: They can't fill all their needs in the draft, no,
Speaker 1: they And it's almost it's it's refreshing, like it would
Speaker 1: be so easy to just turn this into like the
Speaker 1: dak and Amari watch for the rest of the year,
Speaker 1: you know, but like that that I'm just not even
Speaker 1: worried about that. Those guys are They're going to get
Speaker 1: tagged if I had to guess, and those negotiations will
Speaker 1: play out on their own time. But I don't have
Speaker 1: to sit here and wonder whether he's going to be
Speaker 1: part of the team, right either one of them. And
Speaker 1: so that allows us to focus on what do you
Speaker 1: do at tight end? What do you do at safety?
Speaker 1: What do you do at defensive tackle? What do you
Speaker 1: do at cornerback? Can they afford to bring back Byron Jones?
Speaker 1: Does this coaching staff even want to bring back Byron Jones?
Speaker 1: Because I mean, you know, he was about to be
Speaker 1: an outcast until Christoph Shards showed up, and now Christoph
Speaker 1: Shard's leaving again. And it's it's really fascinating, I wit,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's still basically it's too early in
Speaker 1: the process for us to know. But over the coming weeks,
Speaker 1: we're gonna start to get answers to some of these questions.
Speaker 1: And I did ask Stephen. Of course he didn't answer.
Speaker 1: He walked off. He was like one dac to Amari.
Speaker 1: And then of course I'm like number three, not ready
Speaker 1: to say it was number three. We don't know. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going that far. But that's, you know, that's
Speaker 1: what we do. We I mean, we think it's Byron
Speaker 1: Jones or MALIEK. Collins, and you never know, they might
Speaker 1: look at it be Robert Quinn. Yeah, you never know.
Speaker 1: But Michael Bennett. They have to address some of these
Speaker 1: concerns and free agency, and that's the point. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you do what you can in free agency,
Speaker 1: which opens you up in the draft. That's, you know,
Speaker 1: that is the goal every single year. They haven't always
Speaker 1: done as good a job of it as other years,
Speaker 1: but it's interesting to think the way they could shape
Speaker 1: this and how that will affect their decisions in the draft.
Speaker 1: And we'll talk more about that draft tomorrow eleven o'clock
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Speaker 1: It's always been a fun time to kind of experiment
Speaker 1: with new NFL rule changes. They're gonna do it again
Speaker 1: this year, like no tackling, yeah, and no no effort.
Speaker 1: You're gonna say you said you like you said. It's
Speaker 1: always a fun time and it's definitely not They have
Speaker 1: fun up there sometimes. But they're gonna insert what could
Speaker 1: be a new rule for on site kicks, and I
Speaker 1: found that's extremely interesting. So basically the rule is the
Speaker 1: team that just scored, instead of having an onsite kick
Speaker 1: or kicking off to their opponent, they would get the
Speaker 1: ball at their own twenty five yard line that's where
Speaker 1: they would start. They'd give ultimately a fourth and fifteen,
Speaker 1: the scoring team has to gain fifteen or more yards,
Speaker 1: it would retain possession and continue that drive. However, if
Speaker 1: in that one play they did not convert the fifteen yards,
Speaker 1: the opposing team would get the ball back where that
Speaker 1: ball was spotted at the end of the play. So
Speaker 1: if you gained ten yards, you would get it at
Speaker 1: the opposing team would get it in an enemy territory
Speaker 1: at the thirty five yard line. If it was an
Speaker 1: incomplete passed then you're all the way back at the
Speaker 1: twenty five. And with a play like that, you think
Speaker 1: about it, it's if with it being fourth and fifteen,
Speaker 1: it's mostly a passing down, that's going to be a
Speaker 1: passing situation. So my question is to you, what do
Speaker 1: you think about this? It's kind of intriguing to think
Speaker 1: about just the fact of having a different way to
Speaker 1: retain possession late in games. I like the spirit of
Speaker 1: it because I think that's that's what's going to take
Speaker 1: to work around the way the game is changing, is
Speaker 1: like innovation and new ideas, because I mean, honestly, what's
Speaker 1: the point of an onside kick right now? Anyway, Like
Speaker 1: I think I think two were recovered in the NFL
Speaker 1: this season, or I mean it was. It was certainly
Speaker 1: less than five out of however many dozen were attempted
Speaker 1: or even one hundred, Like the success rate was nothing.
Speaker 1: And so it's a pointless play which takes the excitement
Speaker 1: out of the game because it it basically kills the
Speaker 1: ability for somebody to come back by down multiple scores.
Speaker 1: So if this is a way you can reintroduce that
Speaker 1: and have teams have more hope of doing it, I'm
Speaker 1: all for it. Going through it off the cuff like
Speaker 1: it does suck that that kind of removes some of
Speaker 1: the surprise element. Like a cool thing about an onside
Speaker 1: kick is you can never completely predict when it's going
Speaker 1: to happen, and this obviously is a situation where the
Speaker 1: defense will be ready for the play. But again, if
Speaker 1: it can inject some drama into late game scenarios, I'm
Speaker 1: all for it. I thought the same thing, but I
Speaker 1: think you still have your surprise on sidekicks during the game.
Speaker 1: I think in this case, you know you're only gonna
Speaker 1: do it, You're only gonna give an opportunity for to
Speaker 1: to be on defense on the twenty five yard line. Me,
Speaker 1: you're only going to do that if you just have
Speaker 1: to late in the game, you know, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just late in the game when everyone knows you're gonna
Speaker 1: onside kick. Anyways. Well, well, to counteract that point, what
Speaker 1: about the teams that look at it analytically or maybe
Speaker 1: have a strong passing game in terms of Hey, I
Speaker 1: have Pat Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers in the backfield, good,
Speaker 1: let's throw it. Let's go. I had the thirty second
Speaker 1: ranked defense and I was going up against the number
Speaker 1: I'd say number one offense, but that would be DAC.
Speaker 1: But we know what we're talking about. We know what
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Hey, you know, I'm just saying if
Speaker 1: I had the worst defense in the league and I
Speaker 1: was playing the best quarterback of the best passing game
Speaker 1: in the league, I'd take my chances on fourth and
Speaker 1: fifteen that the analytics say that that you're not gonna
Speaker 1: get that. That's why that's why it's put it. Put
Speaker 1: it there. I don't like the twenty five yard line, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't. That's just me. I I don't like the
Speaker 1: fact that you're already in field goal range because if
Speaker 1: you do an on site kick and they recover it.
Speaker 1: They recovered at the forty yard line. Forty five yard line,
Speaker 1: you're not you're not in field goal range. You're not.
Speaker 1: You still have a little bit of work. It's great
Speaker 1: field position. But I don't like the twenty five. I've
Speaker 1: seen it. Who else was doing this? Was it the AF?
Speaker 1: It's something similar to that twenty eight yard line I
Speaker 1: have seen on the twenty eight that's still down there
Speaker 1: pretty I'm about the thirty five. Well, I know the
Speaker 1: Broncos tried to get something similar to this past last
Speaker 1: year or maybe two years ago, and they got shot
Speaker 1: down pretty quickly. I like the thirty five yard line,
Speaker 1: and it could be a fourth and twelve. You know,
Speaker 1: you get it. You're at midfield. I mean, you're you're
Speaker 1: you're cooking at that point. The irony is that So
Speaker 1: they're doing this in the Pro Bowl? Yep, I mean
Speaker 1: talk about not a representative Like that's what does the
Speaker 1: atmosphere like? They don't they're not gonna play defense anyway.
Speaker 1: Picking up fourth and fifteen should be easy at the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. And also what's the you know, what's the recourse? Oh,
Speaker 1: we don't have it, like oh, we didn't get it, like, okay, Well,
Speaker 1: it just gives people a chance to see how it was.
Speaker 1: I like it, but it's not gonna Well, maybe it
Speaker 1: gives people like us a chance to just have this
Speaker 1: conversation and to kind of work through what could and
Speaker 1: could not be problems. I love the idea of finding
Speaker 1: ways around and look like, I get it you. I mean,
Speaker 1: you need to make the game safer. We know too
Speaker 1: much about it to keep doing things the old way.
Speaker 1: But again, it kind of kills some of the drama
Speaker 1: of it. Kills some of the drama of the game
Speaker 1: when you know, you know that nobody feels on side
Speaker 1: kicks anymore, like it just doesn't happen well on side kicks.
Speaker 1: That we're at a historic rate of about twenty one
Speaker 1: percent through twenty seventeen. It went down in twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: to seven percent, and then it went back a little
Speaker 1: bit up in twenty nineteen thirt that's honestly, that's actually
Speaker 1: not that's not converting it though. That's just how many
Speaker 1: ed Okay, that's how many attempts they had. You know,
Speaker 1: there there you go. I would rather see tweaks to that,
Speaker 1: to that rule, to those and I know the safety
Speaker 1: is a big part of it here too, and I
Speaker 1: don't like you know, there's a lot of purists out
Speaker 1: there that are like, I don't why do you got
Speaker 1: to change it and all that. But if that was
Speaker 1: the case way back when somebody was said, you know
Speaker 1: what if we just put helmets on these guys, and
Speaker 1: they're like, no, we can't do that, you know, well,
Speaker 1: let's put helmets and then let's put face mask and
Speaker 1: then you know, and here we are. So you gotta keep,
Speaker 1: like Dave said, you gotta keep evolving. I get that,
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm I don't like the kickoff rule
Speaker 1: as it is. I hate seeing a guy stand back
Speaker 1: there with his hands of that. I want to see
Speaker 1: the kickoff return. I think it's one of the most
Speaker 1: exciting plays in the game. Then again, I've never been
Speaker 1: hurt doing it, so well, what do you think about
Speaker 1: the The XFL is going with a new kickoff rule
Speaker 1: where you start within ten yards of each other and
Speaker 1: it's basically a hunt. So you have a pun er
Speaker 1: back however many yards I don't know exactly what it is.
Speaker 1: You have a returner back and then you have ten
Speaker 1: guys up on the line, of scrimmage. They're ten yards
Speaker 1: away from each other and basically as soon as the
Speaker 1: ball is kicked, they collide and they go for it,
Speaker 1: and it's supposed to be safer because it's only ten
Speaker 1: yards away, and then you get the return and you
Speaker 1: still have strategic rugby a little bit. It's just like,
Speaker 1: yeah that, I mean, I don't know a lot about
Speaker 1: rugby or Australian rules football, but like that's what it
Speaker 1: sounds like. But I mean, it's after the catch, not
Speaker 1: after the kick. I mean, I agree with Nick that
Speaker 1: the kickoff is one of the coolest players in football,
Speaker 1: but it's almost pointless these days, and like there's a
Speaker 1: few teams that know how to take advantage of it.
Speaker 1: But I would rather see innovations to keep these things
Speaker 1: in the game than just keep kicking ninety eight percent
Speaker 1: of kickoffs through the back of the end zone or
Speaker 1: just putting the ball down and saying gain fifteen yards? Yeah,
Speaker 1: or do you like that or do you think that's fun?
Speaker 1: I think I think it would be fun if team, Like,
Speaker 1: if teams thought they had a realistic shot to get
Speaker 1: the ball back. I mean, you know, and picking up
Speaker 1: fifteen yards is hard, man. I would love to see
Speaker 1: that playout. I mean, picking up fifteen yards against an
Speaker 1: NFL defense that knows you have to pass. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: easier said than that. It's the question that we talked
Speaker 1: about before the show. That okay, So let's say that's
Speaker 1: the rule. It does illegal contact a five yard penalty.
Speaker 1: Would that give you a first automatic first down? No way,
Speaker 1: Like in that situation, you've got you have to get
Speaker 1: the fifteen. I would think you've got to have a penalty.
Speaker 1: It's a face mask or a PI or something that
Speaker 1: gives you fifteen, that's fine, But nothing short of that
Speaker 1: should should? You know? Oh my god. I mean I'm
Speaker 1: just imagining Pat Mahomes like lining up and just chunking
Speaker 1: like a go ball to Tyree Hill on fourth and fifteen,
Speaker 1: you know, but like they're just going for the end
Speaker 1: zone and stop us. I mean, we're gonna complete it
Speaker 1: or you have to tackle us and we get the DPI.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's all sorts of stuff you can do.
Speaker 1: Rod marin all these defense they always would call it
Speaker 1: with money forty four money forty four, which all the
Speaker 1: defense was lined back, and I mean that you'd have
Speaker 1: guys to standing at the first down marker. So that's
Speaker 1: gonna that would be very challenging as well. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: but probably easier to get than you're, you know, than
Speaker 1: you're on side kick the way it is right now,
Speaker 1: I like the idea, and I don't know it might
Speaker 1: I'm still not gonna watch the Pro Bowl, but I'll
Speaker 1: be curious to see what happens. I'll probably go look
Speaker 1: for the results on Twitter. Yeah, you know. They're also
Speaker 1: playing around with a potential new rule in terms of
Speaker 1: false starts, in a new way to to kind of
Speaker 1: back off on false starts a little bit. In terms
Speaker 1: of the flags being thrown. They're trying to loosen up
Speaker 1: the rule. They are already loosen up. Like I swear
Speaker 1: to God, he is the case. What's what are they?
Speaker 1: What's more, it's tough to say. So it's it is
Speaker 1: a false start if a flexed eligible receiver in a
Speaker 1: two point stance who flinches or picks up one foot
Speaker 1: as long as his other foot remains partially on the ground,
Speaker 1: and he resets one second prior to the snap. Chris Beam,
Speaker 1: you have you have some of this, So it's kind
Speaker 1: of he's our producer here. It's an illegal shift it's
Speaker 1: all illegal shift thing. It's not necessarily false starts, it's
Speaker 1: an illegal shift. Okay, okay, I love that. I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: does anybody else feel like I saw a more offensive
Speaker 1: lineman get away with jumping early this season than I
Speaker 1: can remember in the rest of my life. Well, I
Speaker 1: think what's weird too is that you know, they're always
Speaker 1: making calls and stuff in the guard in the center,
Speaker 1: they got their hand up and they turn and look
Speaker 1: back here and then but all of a sudden, if
Speaker 1: you just kind of flinch barely, like that's a penalty.
Speaker 1: That's what everything else. Yeah, I have I have a
Speaker 1: whole problem with with with the way that works because
Speaker 1: I hate the fact that the defensive lineman, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're getting hard counted, which is fine, you can do that, right,
Speaker 1: the guy can change his cadence. But then if you
Speaker 1: jump off sides, I mean you jump just for a
Speaker 1: second and then try to go back, the offensive lineman
Speaker 1: can can pop up and say and now you're you know,
Speaker 1: now it's a penalty. So I don't know all these
Speaker 1: rules or for the offense, yeah, and saying we're the
Speaker 1: fourth and fifteen. There was twenty five times in the
Speaker 1: league this year that it was fourth or fifteen and
Speaker 1: greater it only they only converted six times, so it's
Speaker 1: twenty four percent of the time. Wow, that's still higher
Speaker 1: than offida. That's just like, that's more than I would
Speaker 1: have thought and more than an onside kick. So if
Speaker 1: it's going to make the end of games more entertaining,
Speaker 1: I'm all full. Fifteen times in the whole league last
Speaker 1: year there was a fourth and fifteen twenty five twenty times,
Speaker 1: and six of twenty five is twenty four percent of
Speaker 1: the time. And that makes sense because I feel like
Speaker 1: that stat would have to be specifically for fourth and fifteen.
Speaker 1: It can't be fourth in sixteen or fourteen because of
Speaker 1: the rule and probably what's being written. It had to
Speaker 1: be exactly fourth and fifteen most likely for that to happen,
Speaker 1: which is twenty five times is kind of a lot. Well,
Speaker 1: And and that's a little bit. That's that's you know,
Speaker 1: it's a little scowed just because it could be fourth
Speaker 1: and fifteen from the twenty yard line going in. That's
Speaker 1: that's definitely hard to get. You don't have last space
Speaker 1: fourth and fifteen from your own twenty five with Tyreek
Speaker 1: Hill or somebody that can just you know, that's part
Speaker 1: of the play. He can go deep, So that's that'll
Speaker 1: be interesting. I mean, I don't you know. My first
Speaker 1: thought is that I don't know if I like that,
Speaker 1: but you know, it'll it'll be interesting to see really quick.
Speaker 1: Because Dave brought up the point of the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: maybe not being the best place to test it. Would
Speaker 1: you be okay seeing it in a preseason game? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go. I think saddle up again. And it's I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody's excited for the preseason when it gets here because
Speaker 1: it's been so long since we've seen football, but like
Speaker 1: by week two you're over it. So again three week four.
Speaker 1: Give me a reason to be more intrigued by these
Speaker 1: preseason games, Like, give me a reason for them to
Speaker 1: like try all that stuff out. And unless that that
Speaker 1: going for two or I mean that that on site
Speaker 1: kick is gonna maybe lead to an overtime game, then no,
Speaker 1: I'm not cool with that. Yeah, no overtime. And if
Speaker 1: if it you're like down by seven and I'm like
Speaker 1: just kick off, like you don't, like, why do you
Speaker 1: get it done? Let's get it out of here? Well,
Speaker 1: Well you're gonna get out of here as well. That's
Speaker 1: gonna do it here for the break. Dave and Nick
Speaker 1: will be back next week with Derek at MBAR back
Speaker 1: at the SWBC Mortgage Studios in Frisco. It's been fun
Speaker 1: filling in with you guys, and of course you can
Speaker 1: catch David and myself on the Draft Show tomorrow eleven o'clock.
Speaker 1: We'll be here with Bucky Brooks and that'll be a
Speaker 1: whole lot of fun. Wrapping up Day two of the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl and then looking ahead today three, the final
Speaker 1: day that we'll be here for the recent Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. So for Dave Hellman, nicky Man, I'm
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's saying so long for Mobile Alabama. This is
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