Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, we're back.
Speaker 2: We're black brown brown, ambition, ambition, ambition, ambition, Hey.
Speaker 1: Man, importantly, we are not in labor. How are you
Speaker 1: feeling feeling good, feeling great, feeling like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's so much anxiety for me on the weekends, and
Speaker 1: just like, give me one more week, one more week,
Speaker 1: one more week. I just moment needs one more week
Speaker 1: to get her stuff together. But I'm no, I'm feeling good.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling good. I had a I have some Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had some meetings this week that I'm excited about,
Speaker 1: and then I just feel like, calendar wise, I'm coasting
Speaker 1: until Homeboy decides to make his debut and I met
Speaker 1: up with a. Actually, I did the thing that I do.
Speaker 1: You know how I make friends. I'm just like, hey,
Speaker 1: you do this thing, won't be friends like I recommend it.
Speaker 1: But there is this mom at my son's daycare who
Speaker 1: uh so she hades similar work to what I do.
Speaker 1: And anyway, finally I ran into her and we've been
Speaker 1: like texting, maybe we'll get lunch one day, but you know,
Speaker 1: it never happens. And today I was just like, look,
Speaker 1: I got nothing to do. You got nothing to do
Speaker 1: wants with some coffee, and we ended up having such
Speaker 1: a great two hour conversation and one of our one
Speaker 1: of the things we bonded over is being like really fun,
Speaker 1: you know, interesting women who like make friends and are exciting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and how we're married to like the complete opposite guy,
Speaker 1: and how that's just like the trend because every time
Speaker 1: I hang out with someone who's really awesome, I'm like,
Speaker 1: and then our husbands can be friends. And then because
Speaker 1: you know us, kind of when we were trying to
Speaker 1: like create it, it never seemed like Superman Darelle needed help.
Speaker 1: He was like a social butterfly.
Speaker 2: Right oddly like not in not in groups, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, So like you never knew which like
Speaker 2: I would say more so his twinter wereuld totally social
Speaker 2: social Merel's partner Jylene is the opposite. She's like really quiet.
Speaker 3: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: So you actually wasn't as like if it's us in
Speaker 2: the house, maybe one or two people, but like you know.
Speaker 1: He definitely was and with his good friends, and he
Speaker 1: was known in the community, so it was like okay,
Speaker 1: So at least my hypothesis stands, Yes, fun exciting women
Speaker 1: attract the opposite, not that they're not fun and exciting.
Speaker 2: You mean like a little quiet I mean, I know
Speaker 2: what you mean, like.
Speaker 1: A little quiet shy. They're not gonna and it's like
Speaker 1: annoying because then you want to hang out as couples
Speaker 1: because it's easy and your kids are there and all that.
Speaker 1: But then the guys just I'm just like, yeah, if
Speaker 1: we get them together, they're not going to talk to
Speaker 1: each other, because like that's the kind of guys there,
Speaker 1: or if they do talk to each other, then they're
Speaker 1: not going to like make the effort to make another
Speaker 1: play date for themselves. And so it's just the wives
Speaker 1: in the background. The wives anyway, us in the background.
Speaker 1: What's your man doing?
Speaker 3: Is he free?
Speaker 1: Because I think that my man might be free? Y'all
Speaker 1: want to, like, let's plan something for them to get
Speaker 1: them out, and so because they need it. It's not
Speaker 1: that they don't want it, they just I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is. Guys just start in their thirties and forties,
Speaker 1: I feel like just stopping knowing how to create connections socially,
Speaker 1: And yet don't you need it?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like I need it more than ever at
Speaker 1: this stage.
Speaker 2: No, I was just talking to one of my closest
Speaker 2: guy friends, and he was saying how he was feeling lonely. No,
Speaker 2: he was like, you know, he moved to Like for
Speaker 2: him to say that mcause he's married, I want to
Speaker 2: say recently recently, maybe within the last like three years
Speaker 2: or so, so semmer recently. And he was just like,
Speaker 2: you know, me and my wife we moved to like
Speaker 2: a new city, and you know, like he was just
Speaker 2: like I all my friends because he's around, Like he's
Speaker 2: just like just turning forties, so he's just like all
Speaker 2: my friends are similarly like getting married or having kids,
Speaker 2: and I don't see them as much. And he said,
Speaker 2: if I'm being honest, before my wife, he said, I
Speaker 2: realized I wasn't as lonely because I was dating. So
Speaker 2: you know, you date different people, and then dating is
Speaker 2: not just like you're going out out like with this
Speaker 2: one person. Oftentimes it involves you getting more social. And
Speaker 2: he was just like, and I'm happily mad and I
Speaker 2: love my wife, but I'm like, I don't know how
Speaker 2: to create these social environments anymore. And you know, he
Speaker 2: was just like, I talked to my guy friends and
Speaker 2: they all say the same thing. I'm feeling a little bit,
Speaker 2: a little bit lonely, especially.
Speaker 1: As lonely, and it's not good because I don't think
Speaker 1: I mean, lonely men are like half of our nation's problem.
Speaker 1: It to you know, all the things that guys do
Speaker 1: when they are not fulfilled themselves. But yeah, I'm glad
Speaker 1: that he actually spoke up and talked about it, because Husby,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even be mentioning this if it hadn't finally
Speaker 1: been a thing that we like have talked about. And
Speaker 1: you know, we've been here for five years and I've
Speaker 1: been you know, moving and grooving and making my own
Speaker 1: friends because I just I have that nature and I
Speaker 1: really need it, Like I don't want to. I don't
Speaker 1: like being isolated, you know, I don't. I keep my distance,
Speaker 1: like I have boundaries, and I'm not the person who
Speaker 1: wants to be friends with everyone. But I need at
Speaker 1: least two good girlfriends, you know, like in my it's
Speaker 1: just someone you can text when you're pissed off. You
Speaker 1: need someone to vent to and connect with for a
Speaker 1: coffee or whatnot. But my therapist, because I ended up
Speaker 1: spending the last session talking a lot about Husby, and
Speaker 1: she's like you know, as hard as it is for
Speaker 1: me to for you to, you know, process this, you're
Speaker 1: actually not in charge of his happiness or his like
Speaker 1: cause me, you know, I'm like, I'm I will think
Speaker 1: things like, oh, should I text his his best friend's
Speaker 1: lash cousin and invite him to go with him to
Speaker 1: this thing that I know he's been invited to, but
Speaker 1: he has an RSVP too, and she's like, you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't be doing that. He's not a toddler. And
Speaker 1: that was tough because I feel like that's what you want.
Speaker 1: You want your partner to be happy, but then you
Speaker 1: can't force it on them. They have to sort of
Speaker 1: come to it on their own, so like, he can't
Speaker 1: just be my project.
Speaker 3: I'm just having a.
Speaker 2: Back. I mean, since we're talking about relationships, I've just
Speaker 2: been missing being part of a rid Now look at
Speaker 2: me and they's face like, ah, are you doing this?
Speaker 1: We gonna see how far we take this.
Speaker 2: I missed being a control part of like being part
Speaker 2: like I don't I know if I'm not ready for partnership.
Speaker 2: I'm not, but certainly I miss being you know, like
Speaker 2: in a loving relationship, you know, like somebody you hear
Speaker 2: some people say like, man, if this don't work out
Speaker 2: with this person, I'll never go back to a relationship.
Speaker 2: I don't feel that, you know, because you know, at
Speaker 2: least the space where Girell and I were in when
Speaker 2: he passed away, you know, it was really good. And
Speaker 2: I missed that feeling of like I call it a
Speaker 2: shorness of love. You know, like the world could be
Speaker 2: giving you their whole behind a kiss, but I had
Speaker 2: like the sureness of love at home, even when I
Speaker 2: got on his nerves, even when you know I didn't clean.
Speaker 1: Up or whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I know one thing you lab me you would, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm going around.
Speaker 1: I missed that surreness of the best when you can
Speaker 1: be your most obnoxious version of yourself and you you
Speaker 1: just find ways to be obnoxious to that partner and
Speaker 1: you know that you're doing it on purpose and your
Speaker 1: is that the shortness of love?
Speaker 2: I remember once, like I was in the car with
Speaker 2: him one time and he's like, oh, you want to drive?
Speaker 2: I said, fine. In his car and I pulled down
Speaker 2: the Advisor and like one of my old cards, like
Speaker 2: Valentine's Ay card or whatever, came out, and I was like,
Speaker 2: what is this doing here. He was like, I don't
Speaker 2: want to say. I'm like, why why do you have
Speaker 2: this all Valentine'sday card? He was like, because whenever we
Speaker 2: get in a fight, I come in the car and
Speaker 2: I read it to be like she does still love me.
Speaker 2: I'm like, and then I got so bad.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's so evil, Tiffany. This made us in
Speaker 1: the car like she love me, sweet soul. I know
Speaker 1: he wasn't a sweet soul.
Speaker 2: And I just was like so all in all, like
Speaker 2: I said, I kind of missed that, and so I
Speaker 2: told myself, like it's been it'll be a year in November,
Speaker 2: so it's been like over a year and a half
Speaker 2: or about a year and a half. And I said
Speaker 2: I was going to like join some of these apps.
Speaker 2: I'm quickly off them. I don't know how you can
Speaker 2: just do it. Honestly, I don't know how I really
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 3: Girl, I don't know either.
Speaker 1: I'd be I'd be just as out of it as you.
Speaker 1: I just I mean, I met Enrique on an app,
Speaker 1: but it was my only day.
Speaker 2: Like I need to be I need to be at
Speaker 2: Whole Food to something because I'm so one. I made
Speaker 2: the mistake because it was an older black lady that
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I found such a great guy. So
Speaker 2: nice of that. And I was like, well, I'm actually
Speaker 2: not looking for like partnership. I don't even know if I'm
Speaker 2: looking at date, just maybe like hanging out. I don't know.
Speaker 2: She told me black people meet dot com?
Speaker 1: Which girl, if you're not? I told my dad is
Speaker 1: on Say your daddy is on there. I didn't know
Speaker 1: because I had not.
Speaker 2: My dad is on there.
Speaker 3: Oh, I know everyone.
Speaker 2: Away, everybody's dead, everybody Uncle Earl is on the air, and.
Speaker 1: They are happy to see you. I know they were
Speaker 1: were your dms, but ooh, I bet they were lighting
Speaker 1: up like a radio station.
Speaker 2: I was having a really hard nights. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna make a profile and whatever and then
Speaker 2: I can disable in the morning. Woke up two hundred messages.
Speaker 2: I said, I'm not all surprised. I had to literally
Speaker 2: check the see that I uploaded the naked picture of
Speaker 2: by mistake. I was like, because what is going on?
Speaker 2: Everybody was in there looked like their name was Tyrone,
Speaker 2: and they smoked black like Newport.
Speaker 1: I mean, average age fifty five, exactly average gudge, and.
Speaker 2: Everybody was like, hey, baby girl, just want to say
Speaker 2: that you're so beautiful girl, just and some people message
Speaker 2: me twice. I said, I just woke up. Did you
Speaker 2: get my message? Queen? Just wanted to let you know
Speaker 2: that I'm so serious about it. I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: I quick like they think.
Speaker 1: That they're on quiet storms. That's kind of the vibe
Speaker 1: of like how they're reading them, and you can just
Speaker 1: you can just smell that your car noir cologne just
Speaker 1: emanating from the screen.
Speaker 3: I bet.
Speaker 2: I just was like no, no, no, no, no, no
Speaker 2: no no. So I quickly disabled, and then I also
Speaker 2: joined Hinge, which slightly better because you can kind of
Speaker 2: like set like your age range or whatever. And then
Speaker 2: I quickly got like spooked because it was just like
Speaker 2: so decent looking and seeming people were reaching out and
Speaker 2: I was like, actually, no, I'm not. I'm not. I'm
Speaker 2: not not like it was baby told And then like okay, okay,
Speaker 2: so I've disabled my why mey? I paid for three
Speaker 2: months a hinch, so I don't know if this is disabled,
Speaker 2: but I took it.
Speaker 1: Oh you pay for Hinge, yeah, you pay for it.
Speaker 2: You know. And so I took it off my phone
Speaker 2: and I was just like, uh, I you know, it
Speaker 2: was good to but I'm not. I'm not, I'm not,
Speaker 2: and so I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You're a catch as soon as you choose an app,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be no.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's so strange. So when I was actually was talking
Speaker 2: to my friend about this earlier today, that dating has
Speaker 2: like pulled up old trauma that I had when I
Speaker 2: was in my late teens and early twenties, and I
Speaker 2: really hated the way I looked. I hated it because
Speaker 2: like it was like a really ad time when I
Speaker 2: don't know, but like being like dark skin was like
Speaker 2: I mean it was. I remember my first boyfriend. He
Speaker 2: was really light, well light, yeah, he was light, but
Speaker 2: his whole family.
Speaker 1: Was very light.
Speaker 2: He was West Indian and the first time I met
Speaker 2: his mom, she came around the corner and her face
Speaker 2: fell and she was like, I was like wait what
Speaker 2: And I knew instantly and then she was barely civil. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: I couldn't have been more than nineteen, so I was
Speaker 2: like a baby. She called him like like abruptly into
Speaker 2: the kitchen and I heard her and she said, why
Speaker 2: would you bring that black thing in here? That black thing,
Speaker 2: like I'm not somebody's child. And I remember being so
Speaker 2: I just I went through a phase where I used
Speaker 2: to cover my face when I was like a like
Speaker 2: a late team because I was I felt like the
Speaker 2: way I looked was offensive to others? Isn't that just?
Speaker 2: And it's crazy because I didn't get that at home
Speaker 2: and like Nigerian culture, that's not like you know, like
Speaker 2: I like the standard of beauty, you know, like that's
Speaker 2: the I'm not outside of the standard of beauty like
Speaker 2: like every like I'm the average skin complexion for a
Speaker 2: Nigerian but like you know, I'm not gonna lie. I
Speaker 2: told you so.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, baby Tiffany, you know.
Speaker 2: And honestly, but lately because of this like thinking about
Speaker 2: what it might feel like to date again or whatever,
Speaker 2: it's come up again. Well I feel like like forty
Speaker 2: three year old Tiffany is like girl, but then nineteen
Speaker 2: year Oldiviany's like, but what if people don't think you're attractive?
Speaker 2: You know? And I've just been really struggled with actually
Speaker 2: have doctor Green and like, you know, like and like
Speaker 2: my therapist next week because I want to ask her,
Speaker 2: like why is this coming up? Because I have, I've
Speaker 2: not unfelt like not confident, you know what I mean, Girl,
Speaker 2: I go lie, no eyebrowszone, no look gloss on. I'm
Speaker 2: on the cover of my book.
Speaker 1: I do TV.
Speaker 2: But then this like I don't know, this phase of
Speaker 2: potentially thinking about what it might be like to date
Speaker 2: again all of a sudden, nineteen year old Tifany's like,
Speaker 2: I'm here with some of your past traumas, and what
Speaker 2: if you're not good enough? What if people don't find
Speaker 2: you attractive, what if you're still too dark? What if
Speaker 2: you know it's too fit? I mean, like all these
Speaker 2: things coming up, and it's just ugh, like I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna I boohoot about it. This morning, I mean I
Speaker 2: was crying about it this morning. I was just like,
Speaker 2: but I don't feel that way at forty three. But
Speaker 2: sometimes it's like you're not the only Tiffany present, you know, Like,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what do you know? What do I
Speaker 2: need to tell her? But I just she all have
Speaker 2: to say that, like it's a process, and like, you know,
Speaker 2: what it tells me is that, like, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: considering that life doesn does go on, you know, And
Speaker 2: I will never not love Darrell and whoever I'm with,
Speaker 2: I got a double lot, so I'm being married bury
Speaker 2: my husband. So even if I get married again, you're
Speaker 2: gonna be in for a root awakening.
Speaker 1: Wait, so you know where you're gonna be parked?
Speaker 2: Girl, Like, I'm like, he's like my baby. Wait, what
Speaker 2: she's gonna be with Girell? Yes, always up forever.
Speaker 1: Sorry, money over there, but in the same neighborhood.
Speaker 2: I just think that, like, yeah, I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out what life looks like.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that that definitely is something like I mean,
Speaker 2: and if I tell you some of the crazy things
Speaker 2: that people have said to me, black women, especially dark
Speaker 2: skinned black women with traditional black features, the way the world,
Speaker 2: it's not even I would prefer if maybe you were
Speaker 2: ignored the way you don't even get ignored. It's literally
Speaker 2: like a harassment. Like literally there are videos now that
Speaker 2: like like if I do the real or I did
Speaker 2: like Jennifer Hudson, and like there were some comments that
Speaker 2: were like she looks like Wesley Snipes. I'm like, like,
Speaker 2: forty three year old Tifany is like you jealous basically
Speaker 2: you seeing me on the EV or whatever. But nineteen
Speaker 2: year old Tiffany is like, oh my god, I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, and so like it's it's so crazy, this
Speaker 2: psychotomy because like I said, forty three year old Tiffany,
Speaker 2: I just you know, doesn't feel like that. Like I
Speaker 2: actually like the way I look, you know, like I
Speaker 2: love I mean, I honestly love the complexion of my skin.
Speaker 2: I love that I have full lips.
Speaker 1: I love these.
Speaker 2: Cheek poems that Africa has given me. But nineteen year
Speaker 2: old Tiffany is like, I wish I look like everybody else.
Speaker 2: And I don't know why she's come back, you know,
Speaker 2: not always, but she's been poking her head in and
Speaker 2: so yeah, it's just like I just wanted to give
Speaker 2: you guys kind of like this kind of life update
Speaker 2: that like Chad, I don't know, like these man's just
Speaker 2: going to have to pick me up at Whole Foods
Speaker 2: because I'm just so even though like you know, you
Speaker 2: post your pictures or whatever you like, everybody knows what
Speaker 2: you look like. Still I'm just like I have this
Speaker 2: anxiety of like what if I meet My biggest fear
Speaker 2: is that I meet somebody. Not my biggest fear, but
Speaker 2: a fear is my nineteen year old Tiffany fears that
Speaker 2: you meet somebody in person and the same look that
Speaker 2: my ex boyfriend's mother gave me.
Speaker 1: They give me like that look of like, what.
Speaker 2: Is this black thing doing it? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Even though I know that's not true. How could you not?
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 1: But how could you not be impacted by something so cruel?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, and.
Speaker 1: How could you not? And I also feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: you have gotten to where you are in your business,
Speaker 1: and it's not like the kind of business where it's
Speaker 1: about your looks. And obviously Jarelle loved you and everything
Speaker 1: about you, and I think maybe dating has just brought
Speaker 1: you back to that place where when are in our
Speaker 1: early teens and twenties, it does feel like you are
Speaker 1: like you, you should be attracting, you should be attractive
Speaker 1: to others, and you I always felt inadequate because I
Speaker 1: was never the girl with any boyfriends or anyone calling me,
Speaker 1: and you know, no one wanting to like ask me out,
Speaker 1: and all my friends would and like that girl still
Speaker 1: is a little bit inside for sure, And I think
Speaker 1: maybe I like the way that you even phrase it,
Speaker 1: like as she's a separate person, but she's still worth
Speaker 1: like listening to and it's almost like, how do what
Speaker 1: do we say to her to sort of put her
Speaker 1: at ease and heal that? Heal that woman, young woman.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that you're going to be talking to
Speaker 1: doctor Green about it and just talking about it here,
Speaker 1: because I think so many of us.
Speaker 3: Have.
Speaker 1: You know, those insecurities are things people said. Girl twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, my mom said, why are you doing? Why
Speaker 1: are you working out? Your thighs are already big enough.
Speaker 1: I love you, mom, But she's a white woman who
Speaker 1: had a girl who had a daughter with thick thus
Speaker 1: and it made me feel like they had to go away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, God, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I just yeah, I just it's okay.
Speaker 1: I wear shorts now. That took a long time for
Speaker 1: me to wear shorts.
Speaker 2: And meanwhile, I wish y'all could have seen Mandy at Berna.
Speaker 2: So we both went to Berna. I'm not is I
Speaker 2: Hena's last name. I think it's a nat that I
Speaker 2: don't know, And so hey, Berna, that's that's her, like
Speaker 2: social media name. She's got a new book called Money
Speaker 2: Out Loud, and we're so proud of her. So I
Speaker 2: did a like I guess you could say, like a
Speaker 2: fireside chat on her day of launch the last Tuesday,
Speaker 2: and Mandy was there and she was wearing this like
Speaker 2: purple pink.
Speaker 1: She looked so freaking radiant, and I just love the
Speaker 1: way people were like the two of you to kill.
Speaker 2: I just love it.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: It was so fun.
Speaker 1: And I always feel like I get to kind of
Speaker 1: like lurk behind you and and you know, get to
Speaker 1: benefit from your your shine train that just follows you.
Speaker 1: I get to like get some because some of that
Speaker 1: sunshine too. People were so sweet and thank you because
Speaker 1: that's my uniform dress. Now if I leave the house,
Speaker 1: you will see me in that pink sweater dress because
Speaker 1: it is like the one of two things that fits me.
Speaker 1: So if I have to be seen from the waist down,
Speaker 1: that's what she's going to be wearing.
Speaker 2: Okay, it was so pretty. I was like, man, it
Speaker 2: just looks so pretty. She just looked like glowing, and
Speaker 2: the dress was like such a good like like what's
Speaker 2: her name that came on that was like like the
Speaker 2: colors that are good for our complexions and things.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, Kendra, Kendra, so yeah, so yeah, so you
Speaker 1: just so you guys will hear about here from in
Speaker 1: the later episode, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she like I was like, Kench would be like, yes, girl,
Speaker 2: this is one of your class.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you just looked really beautiful.
Speaker 2: And I was just like, oh so yeah, yeah that's
Speaker 2: my update. I'm like, so you know, I'm running back
Speaker 2: to my cave. But at least I you know, my
Speaker 2: baby toes dipping and I mean, like your girl.
Speaker 1: Still got it, cause I was like, well, damn, okay. Well,
Speaker 1: I know it's a lot of people, and because you're
Speaker 1: well known a Newark too, I just know that there's
Speaker 1: a lot of men who are just like Tiffany making
Speaker 1: any signs of I hope they don't listen to the
Speaker 1: show because they're gonna hear that you're maybe you know,
Speaker 1: peeking out you what's out there, and then your dam.
Speaker 2: Friends, kids and cousins are like, sell my brother. I'm like, girl,
Speaker 2: just honestly, I kind of a prop for it. Maybe
Speaker 2: someone who just knows me is like, because what I
Speaker 2: put on the social apps is like I'm a teacher.
Speaker 2: But every once in a while, like someone hit me
Speaker 2: yesterday because I sometimes.
Speaker 3: I check all interesting okay, and.
Speaker 2: Then people will say like the one guy was like
Speaker 2: I love you work with financial education.
Speaker 1: I was like the late I don't know, really, why
Speaker 1: don't you want them to know? I don't know, because
Speaker 1: why would you diminish your your I mean not that
Speaker 1: teachers diminished, you know what I mean, but like you're
Speaker 1: not just a teacher.
Speaker 2: I know, but I kind of just want to get
Speaker 2: someone to know, somebody like as just like Tiffany, not
Speaker 2: like the budgetista. You know so well.
Speaker 1: I hope that you attract men who are prepared to
Speaker 1: be with the budgetista because when they find out what
Speaker 1: you do do, they're going to need to have a
Speaker 1: lot of confidence, a lot of respect for a badass woman.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: This actually brings up for me something that I've wanted
Speaker 1: to I've had it on my list of like brown breaks,
Speaker 1: but I have and I wonder how you feel about
Speaker 1: this too. Every once in a while, I think on
Speaker 1: TikTok or social media, someone will post and be like,
Speaker 1: you know, I would I you know, I kind of
Speaker 1: want to share about my personal relationship because maybe they've
Speaker 1: been single for a while and now they're with someone.
Speaker 1: But I just know if I post it, I'm going
Speaker 1: to get so much more engagement. I'm going to get
Speaker 1: so many likes. I don't want to and I don't
Speaker 1: want to do it because I just feel like, isn't
Speaker 1: it you know, why am I not getting this that
Speaker 1: much engagement for my business, you know, at my business
Speaker 1: strategy or my business milestones and things like that. And
Speaker 1: while I get it and I see it. Hell, I
Speaker 1: post something on my anniversary with old ass pictures of
Speaker 1: me from six years ago, and it's like I went viral,
Speaker 1: you know. But and I and I understand, as women,
Speaker 1: you you kind of like resist that, like being celebrated
Speaker 1: for being like being a being attractive enough to get
Speaker 1: a man or get a person or be in a relationship.
Speaker 1: And what does it say about you if you can't
Speaker 1: or you don't by choice. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: like the way that I feel about it is it's
Speaker 1: so universal. Love partnership, companionship who at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I do feel like humans, the vast majority
Speaker 1: of us are meant to be with someone and have
Speaker 1: a partner whoever that whatever that person looks like, and
Speaker 1: whether it's not even a love partner but a companion
Speaker 1: of you know, just someone that you can experience and
Speaker 1: share life with. And it's so it's so universal that
Speaker 1: we all desire and it's not a thing it's wrong
Speaker 1: to desire that. And I just feel like, because it's
Speaker 1: so universal, of course it's the thing that people really
Speaker 1: relate to and they want to. Like, it's not as
Speaker 1: relatable as getting a New York Times bestselling book or
Speaker 1: you know, launching a business people like that. But I
Speaker 1: feel like when it's love, you know, or even expanding
Speaker 1: your family, like it's just such a special, beautiful experience
Speaker 1: that so many of us can share that I understand
Speaker 1: why it gets more attention, and I just don't. I
Speaker 1: just don't like that we're kind of getting into that
Speaker 1: space where if you do share that that you are
Speaker 1: diminishing your own success or like pandering to people to
Speaker 1: give them what you think that they want.
Speaker 3: And I'm not making any sense.
Speaker 2: No, you are, because I want I saw the phone
Speaker 2: when I saw your comment that, I was like, look
Speaker 2: at me, diyat here Meanwhile like.
Speaker 1: The two No, you do be paying attention. Well you
Speaker 1: know it's rad.
Speaker 2: Because I'd never gone TikTok. But then the post came
Speaker 2: up and then I looked in the comments. I said,
Speaker 2: look at me, Andre, given good advice, would you basically said, hey,
Speaker 2: share anyway, like it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: You said that.
Speaker 2: You were like, don't hold back, like don't let anyone
Speaker 2: not let you share, Like that's awesome. But yeah, I think, No,
Speaker 2: you're right, I think and I could see their point
Speaker 2: of view as well, because it's true. I never got
Speaker 2: more posts. And when I posted me and Jirell like
Speaker 2: the truth is, I used to lean into it. I'm like, girl,
Speaker 2: I need some especially like if a brand partner would
Speaker 2: pay me. I'm like, Jerrell, come take this picture with me,
Speaker 2: like he and I both want to raise our credit
Speaker 2: score with this credit monitoring draw.
Speaker 1: Because I knew that.
Speaker 2: Because people, to your point, they love love and you know,
Speaker 2: so I knew literally I would that was that was
Speaker 2: a tactic to be like, girl, you want three or
Speaker 2: four thousand. You know most of the comments will be like,
Speaker 2: oh I love y'all. I'm like, yeah, focus on the tool.
Speaker 2: But I just say all that to say that certainly,
Speaker 2: you know you can be as private or as public
Speaker 2: as as you like, and you know that's up to you.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think that moving forward, if I
Speaker 2: don't know how life is, you know what life is
Speaker 2: going to I don't know. I At first, I used
Speaker 2: to be really public with my relationship with Drell, but
Speaker 2: that's when social media was a lot more close knit
Speaker 2: and it was like you know, and then over time
Speaker 2: I started to share less and less only because because
Speaker 2: I just wanted to keep some things for us, and
Speaker 2: I would post him like maybe on his birthday or
Speaker 2: anniversary or whatever. So I just think that if I
Speaker 2: do get into another relationship again, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: like I'm I don't I don't think one, I'll post
Speaker 2: as much as I used to post about Jorelle if
Speaker 2: at all. Certainly, I'll share as much as I feel
Speaker 2: comfortable here as I navigate, if that's you know, like
Speaker 2: like I said, I'm not ready at all. I need
Speaker 2: to get into my new condo first and get myself
Speaker 2: like like situated and things like that. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: just think that, like, there's nothing wrong with sharing love
Speaker 2: if that's what you want. But I also know that
Speaker 2: in the sharing, you know that people then will feel,
Speaker 2: you know, they'll feel like engaged in your life. So
Speaker 2: like I prefer like I was married to Jerrelle, you know,
Speaker 2: so it's like you know, this is your boyfriend and
Speaker 2: then you guys break up, then it's like, well what happened?
Speaker 1: Girl?
Speaker 2: Well, I know it's not my business, but you made
Speaker 2: him my business. So I'm like girl.
Speaker 1: And now I'm looking back through old posts and you've
Speaker 1: seen like TikTokers go through divorces and stuff, and it's
Speaker 1: like who got the account? You know, who's going to
Speaker 1: get the handle? Now, I for sure I understand those
Speaker 1: those intricacies. I can't even share pictures of E because
Speaker 1: he doesn't take any and he's not fun. He won't
Speaker 1: let me dress him up and take a picture with me.
Speaker 1: It's probably for the better. He's like a government spy,
Speaker 1: so you know, he's incognito.
Speaker 2: But the only time the Dure will let me do
Speaker 2: that is when I was like, people like we gotta
Speaker 2: get this money, I'm like yes, He's like.
Speaker 1: All right, that's actually not a bad idea. I feel
Speaker 1: very protective of my son, like I don't want lots
Speaker 1: of pictures of him out, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: like you know, I just feel so happy with all aspects.
Speaker 1: I just don't want it's we talk about brad Ambition,
Speaker 1: where we talk about achieving your business and your financial
Speaker 1: dreams and your career goals and all of that. But
Speaker 1: I think, at least for me, that's just not enough.
Speaker 1: You know, I want partnership, Yeah, connectedness, people, humans and hell.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be sensitive to people who don't feel
Speaker 1: the same way, but at least I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's so much shit out there. Like I got on
Speaker 1: Instagram earlier, the first damn story I saw was about
Speaker 1: a baby who drowned, and I'm just like, you know,
Speaker 1: if you have some good news to share, whatever it is, Like,
Speaker 1: I just wish we would lean into sharing that light
Speaker 1: because if we all shared more light, maybe it would,
Speaker 1: you know, get some of this darkness out of the way,
Speaker 1: get some of the shadows lit up, especially now. So
Speaker 1: I choose to continue to be a part of that
Speaker 1: as much as I can. Yeah, it's okay. It's okay
Speaker 1: to love love and love money.
Speaker 2: I like them love.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say which.
Speaker 1: More cause I don't know what I'm supposed to say,
Speaker 1: but and that'll be the clip that it will be
Speaker 1: post on social and people will grow me for it.
Speaker 2: But no, I like them binns and love is so
Speaker 2: important and so like it's not Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 1: Money, so this was a mushy. Should we take a break? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's take a break. I gotta take this jacket off,
Speaker 1: not because you tease me for it, but because there's
Speaker 1: so many zippers that I'm having a hard time moving
Speaker 1: because I'm like, they're gonna be mad. I was told, y'all, we.
Speaker 2: Will be back with brown break brown booze, and we're
Speaker 2: back and black and now it's time to boosto break,
Speaker 2: Oh boosto break, oh boosto breakdown? Are you going to booze?
Speaker 1: Are you going to break? What?
Speaker 2: You're gonna do?
Speaker 1: What you go take?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't people get to see the rhythm nation shoulders
Speaker 2: that be and Mady be doing like well you can
Speaker 2: if you watch on YouTube, go ahead and watch.
Speaker 3: It was it was and jacket they got me grooving?
Speaker 1: Are you boothy or are you breaking?
Speaker 3: Boost? One is?
Speaker 1: I got out the dress. I got out the house
Speaker 1: this weekend and I wore that dress because that's my
Speaker 1: going out dress. It's the same one that you saw
Speaker 1: me in. And I met up in person with about
Speaker 1: ten or twelve of my nandy money makers in New
Speaker 1: York and we had such a lovely they they brave
Speaker 1: y'all know, black women getting out in the rain and
Speaker 1: torrential downpour rain. Yeah, it was crazy and I thy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I got them together as like a last minute,
Speaker 1: just wanted to meet and get to talk to them.
Speaker 1: And it was so lovely. As much as my business
Speaker 1: as virtual, I love the opportunity to get to meet
Speaker 1: my people in person. So to everyone who braved the elements,
Speaker 1: drove from Long Island to Manhattan, like from Westchester down,
Speaker 1: it was a lot. So I just thank y'all. And
Speaker 1: it was beautiful. It was a really beautiful time. And
Speaker 1: every time I plan an event and people show up,
Speaker 1: I heal that Like thirteen year old girl who had
Speaker 1: a surprise party, no one came to speaking about healing
Speaker 1: our our young sol. I want to go and be like,
Speaker 1: I want to come. I would have been. No one came, Tiffany,
Speaker 1: they didn't have Uber back then. No one came.
Speaker 2: About the house anyway, right, No, I love that. I
Speaker 2: I too am going to I guess it's kind of
Speaker 2: like a boot slash break because today I finally submitted
Speaker 2: the final draft. I pray to Jesus teenage, Jesus, no man, Jesus, baby,
Speaker 2: Jesus all to Jesus of my workbook version of gek
Speaker 2: Go with Money. It's called Made Whole. It's a get
Speaker 2: Go with Money workbook. And I mistakenly thought that when
Speaker 2: you do the workbook version of your book, it's.
Speaker 1: Like less work still in the blanks, it actually was.
Speaker 2: It wasn't. I mean, I wouldn't say it was as
Speaker 2: much work as Get Go with Money, but not half
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Not not work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a lot of And so because I wanted,
Speaker 2: you know that if you read Geka with Money that
Speaker 2: you were like, oh, here's some additional added resources and
Speaker 2: benefit and whatever. But then I wondered, if you didn't
Speaker 2: read Giga with Money, you're missing out on critical things
Speaker 2: in order to reach financial wholeness in these ten core steps.
Speaker 2: So it was like this balancing it that was not easy.
Speaker 2: Plus two, you know, gig Go with Money is literally
Speaker 2: like a textbook. It's a big, hardy book. And I
Speaker 2: really wanted Made Whole to really be like, you know,
Speaker 2: not to be as dense, because I want you to
Speaker 2: be able to get to the work. Put it in
Speaker 2: your bag, get to the work. I made sure that
Speaker 2: it was wider so when you lay it open, you
Speaker 2: can like write in it. And so yeah, so Madhole
Speaker 2: is going to come out in November. It's available for
Speaker 2: pre order like everywhere, you know, but it doesn't come
Speaker 2: out to November, so you know, do what that would
Speaker 2: you will? But yeah, so I'm just really it was
Speaker 2: such a relief because when something like that, I mean
Speaker 2: many you know, like as you're working on a big
Speaker 2: old project, it's it's looming, it's looming. And to finally
Speaker 2: submit it this morning, I.
Speaker 1: Was like, oh my god, can this be the end?
Speaker 2: Place?
Speaker 1: It was like last bit edits cluse.
Speaker 2: I'm just it just anybody who thinks that they want
Speaker 2: to write a book know that it's a lot of
Speaker 2: work and it feels really good when it's done. But
Speaker 2: it's a lot of work, you know, and so and
Speaker 2: just it could be like a lot of stress and
Speaker 2: so yeah, so it's like a boost that it's done
Speaker 2: and a break because I'm like, I don't I don't
Speaker 2: anticipate in writing anything.
Speaker 1: For a while.
Speaker 2: Sorry Penguin, Oh, because.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised, because yeah, because you were so out of
Speaker 1: it about that was huge.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm done.
Speaker 1: But the workbook, I agree, it does kind of sound like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's just like, I don't know. I just figured it
Speaker 1: was like a journal entry thing they got girl, it's
Speaker 1: a lot light workbook. And I was like, this is
Speaker 1: not a little Did you have to negotiate a new deal?
Speaker 3: How does that work?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So what I happened with the workbook is that you
Speaker 2: negotiate a new deal and the amount obviously it's less
Speaker 2: typically because you know, like a book book is different
Speaker 2: than like, you know, like a work book, because I
Speaker 2: think I think the stat that Penguin gave me is
Speaker 2: that they anticipate usually your workbook will sell about twenty
Speaker 2: percent of what your book sold, you know, so you're
Speaker 2: not going to get the same. So I don't know
Speaker 2: that the numbers have to correlate between what you got,
Speaker 2: like your book deal. Let's just say you got one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars book deal, and the workbook deal might
Speaker 2: be twenty like twenty thousand dollars. Not really, it really
Speaker 2: will depend on how well your book did and how
Speaker 2: what you can negotiate. And certainly, you know, I negotiated
Speaker 2: like I got. I spoke to some of my friends
Speaker 2: who had workbooks and understood kind of like how the
Speaker 2: workbook game worked. And so the amount that they gave
Speaker 2: me was similar to what I was first offered, but
Speaker 2: I just felt like, this seems low for someone who's
Speaker 2: slaying in the streets right now. And so I spoke
Speaker 2: to one of my This is why mentorship is so important.
Speaker 2: I spoke to one of my mentors, Lynette cal Fonie Cox.
Speaker 2: She's everyone's financial fairy godmother.
Speaker 1: She's so awesome.
Speaker 2: And Lynette actually did the math with me. I had
Speaker 2: never done book math. Hey, book bath will have you
Speaker 2: mad at your advance If you said yeah, I was like,
Speaker 2: hold up, hold up. So with book match, she had
Speaker 2: me figure out, like, okay, how many books I sold,
Speaker 2: how much roughly Penguin made based upon the books I sold,
Speaker 2: which the truth of the matter is and advance is
Speaker 2: money you get to keep no matter what. So there's
Speaker 2: no guarantee I'll pay it back. Oh but I paid
Speaker 2: my advent and I had.
Speaker 3: A good advance, did you ever?
Speaker 2: And so I paid by advanced time about six So
Speaker 2: hanging right now is like, that's our girl, sady.
Speaker 1: So she was like that you have some leverage to say.
Speaker 2: I know normally you give this kind of money for workbooks,
Speaker 2: but you ain't talking to no regular degular, I need
Speaker 2: a little bit more, and so Lynnette gave me a
Speaker 2: number that she said I would not take less than this,
Speaker 2: And so I told them me and my book agent,
Speaker 2: this is why your agent is so important. We talked
Speaker 2: through it, and my agent not only got me what
Speaker 2: Lynette said, but more so, I would say it was
Speaker 2: about four times more than a workbook normally gets. Like
Speaker 2: it was about the as it should Yes, basically my
Speaker 2: book book. My advance was about what you would like
Speaker 2: a good advance for a book. That's how I work,
Speaker 2: Rahma to our workbook advance was like if you got
Speaker 2: this for a regular book, you'd be like, I got
Speaker 2: a really good advance, So I feel good about it.
Speaker 1: Which like twenty percent of your book sales are even
Speaker 1: still above what a regular book sells, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, Yeah, what's the staff that you share,
Speaker 1: like over the life tome of a book that usually shares.
Speaker 2: Like cells less than two thousand copy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the average book the cells are less
Speaker 1: than two thousand.
Speaker 2: We're like, I like two seventy five now two years later, and.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that they got an opportunity to renegotiate
Speaker 1: or negotiate as a separate thing, whereas I feel like,
Speaker 1: I wonder if publishers are going to get like wise
Speaker 1: to that and start trying to incorporate the workbook into
Speaker 1: the initial deal before you know how success.
Speaker 2: They do try they did, they would try to loup
Speaker 2: everything together and then and that's a whole lot because
Speaker 2: they were like, how about your workbook and whatever magical
Speaker 2: book that you might want to do in the future,
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, I don't even know that
Speaker 2: I want to. I mean, I know one day I
Speaker 2: probably will write another book, but I don't even know
Speaker 2: what's she going to be about. I don't know who
Speaker 2: I'm going to be. I might have a show girl,
Speaker 2: might be the president of the United State.
Speaker 1: I hope it's about your experience Black people meet dot com.
Speaker 2: One man persistently every week, I'm like, mister Earle, I
Speaker 2: don't want I don't want to see awl.
Speaker 1: If you see anyone named big al topcat Alton, stay away,
Speaker 1: I'll say I'll give his name while my uncle.
Speaker 2: Every week, baby girl, I don't know if you see
Speaker 2: I sing mister Earl, I sing I stuff exactly, but
Speaker 2: like yeah, so yeah, So it's just like the book.
Speaker 2: You know, the book industry. It's interesting. And so because
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people would be like, well,
Speaker 2: aren't you mad that you know you made them more
Speaker 2: money than you received. No, because one, with your first book,
Speaker 2: you don't know what it's going to do. I don't care.
Speaker 2: You could be famous, you could be not famous.
Speaker 3: You don't.
Speaker 2: No one knows. And so that advances your money to
Speaker 2: keep no matter what, because you can literally get one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars advance and only make them two dollars
Speaker 2: and they will let you keep that hundred thousand. They'll
Speaker 2: be mad and you won't get another hundred. But that's
Speaker 2: how that works. And so you the way it advance
Speaker 2: works is that you pay it off. Now, the thing
Speaker 2: is what I didn't understand with book math Hey, is
Speaker 2: that book math says? I thought, at first, let's just
Speaker 2: say my book was ten dollars, and let's just say
Speaker 2: my advance was one hundred thousand. I thought for every
Speaker 2: ten dollars book I sold, I would chip down what
Speaker 2: I owed in the advance by ten dollars. Like, sold
Speaker 2: ten dollars, book ten dollars comes off the one hundred
Speaker 2: thousand that I owe you no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: So typically your like, you get a cut of sales
Speaker 2: once you pay back your advance, and that can range
Speaker 2: anywhere from like ten to fifteen percent, right, so let's
Speaker 2: just say ten percent. So if a book sells for
Speaker 2: ten dollars, ten percent of ten dollars is one dollar.
Speaker 2: And if that's your cut that you would get once
Speaker 2: you pay back your advance, you are only lowering the
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand that you owe per book a dollar
Speaker 2: for every book that you sell.
Speaker 1: So you see how long you have to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I made that math equation. That math that's something beneficial
Speaker 1: to the publisher.
Speaker 2: So I was like, we haven't sold out my advance yet,
Speaker 2: because I girl, I've literally my book has made millions,
Speaker 2: pot millions, and so my advance was not millions. So
Speaker 2: but like I said, that was I'm not mad at
Speaker 2: it because I still got a really good advance and
Speaker 2: it was still relatively like I mean for a book
Speaker 2: that was going to be unknown for what it's going
Speaker 2: to do. But now that we know that it's very
Speaker 2: likely to sell, now we can negotiate differently. And so
Speaker 2: like my next advance if I do another big book,
Speaker 2: definitely will reflect the fact that, like I've sold before,
Speaker 2: and so these are things like you know, to I mean,
Speaker 2: my agent does say, like, well, if you wait too long,
Speaker 2: they might say, well, you sold that, but that was
Speaker 2: five years ago. I'm like, girl, I don't care about
Speaker 2: not that you know, like I get it, but like
Speaker 2: I you know, if I write another book, you know,
Speaker 2: then I do. But maybe by then I might have
Speaker 2: the top Netflix show in the in the world, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like, so I don't want to
Speaker 2: lock myself into like a number now and not know
Speaker 2: certainly it might be lower later because maybe later, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm not as vie and that's fine,
Speaker 2: but maybe I'm even more viable if I decide to
Speaker 2: do something. But yeah, so these are just some things
Speaker 2: that I didn't even know. I mean, meanwhile, I went
Speaker 2: through this whole process and I didn't really understand book
Speaker 2: Math until Lynetteki Finick Cocks broke it down for me.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, And she said, that's why
Speaker 2: you're gonna go back and say you want more money
Speaker 2: because book Math is like no, girl, Like, in order
Speaker 2: for you to have paid them back what you made,
Speaker 2: they had to make millions about millions of five millions
Speaker 2: before you can pay back what you made. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh okay, and so like now I finally have paid
Speaker 2: it back. It took about two years. And so now
Speaker 2: my next statement, I think you get it twice a year.
Speaker 2: I should see my percentage, like I should get a
Speaker 2: check now twice. Royalty is now a royalty, yes, which
Speaker 2: is kind of exciting. Yeah, you know, talk about passive income.
Speaker 2: I know. I was like ooh, so like I mean
Speaker 2: I can imagine for a book for example, like I
Speaker 2: will teach you to be rich that like yeah, it's
Speaker 2: been a twenty years later, that thing is cooking with grease,
Speaker 2: so you know, and even now more so that re
Speaker 2: meat has to show on Netflix, I know, like his
Speaker 2: book has sold out everywhere and so like that's the
Speaker 2: thing about books is like you know, you have to
Speaker 2: really ask us. So even Mandy, as you are navigating,
Speaker 2: you will have to ask yourself big advance up front,
Speaker 2: you know, or you know, do I want like you know, negotiating,
Speaker 2: Like I'll give you what my percentage is, so you know,
Speaker 2: like what you're going to ask for because I've gotten
Speaker 2: the top percentage like everyone who I've asked there like,
Speaker 2: that's the most book publisher is going to give you.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay for as far as your percentage,
Speaker 2: and so like I hope one day what I'd like
Speaker 2: to do one day is have more of a partnership
Speaker 2: with the with the publisher where it's like I'm not getting, like,
Speaker 2: you know, the smaller percentage on the back end that
Speaker 2: like I'd rather get quite honestly, less upfront and then
Speaker 2: more on the back end. Most publishers will tell you
Speaker 2: no one who's going to do that. I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: you're not doing that.
Speaker 1: But somebody out there bites.
Speaker 2: So we'll see. I think the publishing industry that there's
Speaker 2: some shifting that has to happen if you want people
Speaker 2: to work with you. So yeah, so as you like navigate,
Speaker 2: I'm excited to hear, like you know where you are
Speaker 2: in your process.
Speaker 3: I for you get to keep paving that way, baby girl,
Speaker 3: hear my Lynette.
Speaker 1: I'm like, girl, tell me, it's a lot.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you when I tell you the mouth they
Speaker 2: offered me versus Wellnette, because I was gonna be like, okay,
Speaker 2: this have just said calling that girl before you agree.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna let you know. I'm not sure I'm
Speaker 2: allowed to talk numbers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get it. We'll get the green tea later.
Speaker 1: I like that girl. Oh I like that degree.
Speaker 3: You so clever. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I washed my hair today and I feel different. I
Speaker 1: feel smart.
Speaker 3: All right, y'all.
Speaker 1: Well, this was a fun, juicy, juicy episode of Brown Ambition.
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