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Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, we're back.

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Speaker 2: We're black brown brown, ambition, ambition, ambition, ambition, Hey.

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Speaker 1: Man, importantly, we are not in labor. How are you

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Speaker 1: feeling feeling good, feeling great, feeling like, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: There's so much anxiety for me on the weekends, and

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Speaker 1: just like, give me one more week, one more week,

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Speaker 1: one more week. I just moment needs one more week

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling good. I had a I have some Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I had some meetings this week that I'm excited about,

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Speaker 1: and then I just feel like, calendar wise, I'm coasting

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Speaker 1: up with a. Actually, I did the thing that I do.

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Speaker 1: You know how I make friends. I'm just like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you do this thing, won't be friends like I recommend it.

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Speaker 1: But there is this mom at my son's daycare who

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Speaker 1: uh so she hades similar work to what I do.

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Speaker 1: And anyway, finally I ran into her and we've been

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Speaker 1: like texting, maybe we'll get lunch one day, but you know,

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Speaker 1: it never happens. And today I was just like, look,

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Speaker 1: I got nothing to do. You got nothing to do

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Speaker 1: wants with some coffee, and we ended up having such

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Speaker 1: a great two hour conversation and one of our one

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Speaker 1: of the things we bonded over is being like really fun,

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Speaker 1: you know, interesting women who like make friends and are exciting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and how we're married to like the complete opposite guy,

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Speaker 1: and how that's just like the trend because every time

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Speaker 1: I hang out with someone who's really awesome, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: and then our husbands can be friends. And then because

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Speaker 1: you know us, kind of when we were trying to

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Speaker 1: like create it, it never seemed like Superman Darelle needed help.

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Speaker 1: He was like a social butterfly.

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Speaker 2: Right oddly like not in not in groups, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, So like you never knew which like

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Speaker 2: I would say more so his twinter wereuld totally social

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Speaker 2: social Merel's partner Jylene is the opposite. She's like really quiet.

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Speaker 3: That makes sense.

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Speaker 2: So you actually wasn't as like if it's us in

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Speaker 1: He definitely was and with his good friends, and he

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Speaker 1: was known in the community, so it was like okay,

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Speaker 1: So at least my hypothesis stands, Yes, fun exciting women

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Speaker 1: attract the opposite, not that they're not fun and exciting.

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Speaker 2: You mean like a little quiet I mean, I know

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Speaker 1: A little quiet shy. They're not gonna and it's like

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Speaker 1: annoying because then you want to hang out as couples

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Speaker 1: because it's easy and your kids are there and all that.

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Speaker 1: But then the guys just I'm just like, yeah, if

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Speaker 1: or if they do talk to each other, then they're

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Speaker 1: not going to like make the effort to make another

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Speaker 1: play date for themselves. And so it's just the wives

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Speaker 1: in the background. The wives anyway, us in the background.

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Speaker 1: What's your man doing?

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Speaker 3: Is he free?

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Speaker 1: Because I think that my man might be free? Y'all

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Speaker 1: want to, like, let's plan something for them to get

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Speaker 1: them out, and so because they need it. It's not

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Speaker 1: what it is. Guys just start in their thirties and forties,

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Speaker 1: I feel like just stopping knowing how to create connections socially,

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Speaker 1: And yet don't you need it?

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Speaker 1: I feel like I need it more than ever at

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Speaker 2: No, I was just talking to one of my closest

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Speaker 2: him to say that mcause he's married, I want to

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Speaker 1: As lonely, and it's not good because I don't think

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Speaker 1: I mean, lonely men are like half of our nation's problem.

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Speaker 1: It to you know, all the things that guys do

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Speaker 1: when they are not fulfilled themselves. But yeah, I'm glad

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't even be mentioning this if it hadn't finally

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Speaker 1: You want your partner to be happy, but then you

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Speaker 3: I'm just having a.

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Speaker 2: Back. I mean, since we're talking about relationships, I've just

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Speaker 2: me and they's face like, ah, are you doing this?

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Speaker 1: We gonna see how far we take this.

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Speaker 2: I missed being a control part of like being part

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Speaker 2: like I don't I know if I'm not ready for partnership.

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Speaker 2: I'm not, but certainly I miss being you know, like

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Speaker 2: some people say like, man, if this don't work out

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Speaker 2: I don't feel that, you know, because you know, at

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Speaker 2: I missed that feeling of like I call it a

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Speaker 2: giving you their whole behind a kiss, but I had

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Speaker 2: like the sureness of love at home, even when I

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Speaker 2: got on his nerves, even when you know I didn't clean.

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Speaker 1: Up or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I know one thing you lab me you would, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I missed that surreness of the best when you can

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Speaker 1: be your most obnoxious version of yourself and you you

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Speaker 1: just find ways to be obnoxious to that partner and

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Speaker 2: I remember once, like I was in the car with

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Speaker 2: the Advisor and like one of my old cards, like

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Speaker 2: this all Valentine'sday card? He was like, because whenever we

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Speaker 2: I read it to be like she does still love me.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, and then I got so bad.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that's so evil, Tiffany. This made us in

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Speaker 2: And I just was like so all in all, like

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Speaker 2: I'm quickly off them. I don't know how you can

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Speaker 2: just do it. Honestly, I don't know how I really

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Speaker 3: Girl, I don't know either.

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Speaker 1: I'd be I'd be just as out of it as you.

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Speaker 1: I just I mean, I met Enrique on an app,

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Speaker 2: She told me black people meet dot com?

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Speaker 1: Which girl, if you're not? I told my dad is

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Speaker 2: Away, everybody's dead, everybody Uncle Earl is on the air, and.

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Speaker 1: They are happy to see you. I know they were

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Speaker 2: I was having a really hard nights. I was like,

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna make a profile and whatever and then

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Speaker 2: I can disable in the morning. Woke up two hundred messages.

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Speaker 2: I said, I'm not all surprised. I had to literally

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Speaker 2: by mistake. I was like, because what is going on?

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Speaker 2: Everybody was in there looked like their name was Tyrone,

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Speaker 1: I mean, average age fifty five, exactly average gudge, and.

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Speaker 2: Everybody was like, hey, baby girl, just want to say

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Speaker 2: me twice. I said, I just woke up. Did you

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Speaker 2: get my message? Queen? Just wanted to let you know

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Speaker 2: that I'm so serious about it. I'm like, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: I quick like they think.

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Speaker 1: That they're on quiet storms. That's kind of the vibe

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Speaker 1: of like how they're reading them, and you can just

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Speaker 3: I bet.

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Speaker 2: I just was like no, no, no, no, no, no

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Speaker 2: Cheek poems that Africa has given me. But nineteen year

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Speaker 1: They give me like that look of like, what.

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Speaker 1: Even though I know that's not true. How could you not?

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Speaker 3: I know?

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Speaker 1: How could you not? And I also feel like, you know,

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: So I'm glad that you're going to be talking to

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Speaker 1: You know, those insecurities are things people said. Girl twenty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, God, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: So we both went to Berna. I'm not is I

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Speaker 2: I just love it.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she like I was like, Kench would be like, yes, girl,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, you just looked really beautiful.

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Speaker 2: And I was just like, oh so yeah, yeah that's

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Speaker 1: Still got it, cause I was like, well, damn, okay. Well,

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Speaker 3: I check all interesting okay, and.

435
00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 2: Then people will say like the one guy was like

436
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Speaker 2: I love you work with financial education.

437
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,480
Speaker 1: I was like the late I don't know, really, why

438
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 1: don't you want them to know? I don't know, because

439
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,080
Speaker 1: why would you diminish your your I mean not that

440
00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:43,840
Speaker 1: teachers diminished, you know what I mean, but like you're

441
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:44,520
Speaker 1: not just a teacher.

442
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,920
Speaker 2: I know, but I kind of just want to get

443
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Speaker 2: someone to know, somebody like as just like Tiffany, not

444
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,240
Speaker 2: like the budgetista. You know so well.

445
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 1: I hope that you attract men who are prepared to

446
00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,840
Speaker 1: be with the budgetista because when they find out what

447
00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,600
Speaker 1: you do do, they're going to need to have a

448
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 1: lot of confidence, a lot of respect for a badass woman.

449
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:04,679
Speaker 3: You know.

450
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,840
Speaker 1: This actually brings up for me something that I've wanted

451
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 1: to I've had it on my list of like brown breaks,

452
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,640
Speaker 1: but I have and I wonder how you feel about

453
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,239
Speaker 1: this too. Every once in a while, I think on

454
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 1: TikTok or social media, someone will post and be like,

455
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,119
Speaker 1: you know, I would I you know, I kind of

456
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 1: want to share about my personal relationship because maybe they've

457
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 1: been single for a while and now they're with someone.

458
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,359
Speaker 1: But I just know if I post it, I'm going

459
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,720
Speaker 1: to get so much more engagement. I'm going to get

460
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:35,400
Speaker 1: so many likes. I don't want to and I don't

461
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 1: want to do it because I just feel like, isn't

462
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,919
Speaker 1: it you know, why am I not getting this that

463
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 1: much engagement for my business, you know, at my business

464
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 1: strategy or my business milestones and things like that. And

465
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 1: while I get it and I see it. Hell, I

466
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 1: post something on my anniversary with old ass pictures of

467
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 1: me from six years ago, and it's like I went viral,

468
00:20:55,560 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 1: you know. But and I and I understand, as women,

469
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 1: you you kind of like resist that, like being celebrated

470
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 1: for being like being a being attractive enough to get

471
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 1: a man or get a person or be in a relationship.

472
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 1: And what does it say about you if you can't

473
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 1: or you don't by choice. But at the same time,

474
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 1: like the way that I feel about it is it's

475
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 1: so universal. Love partnership, companionship who at the end of

476
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,880
Speaker 1: the day, I do feel like humans, the vast majority

477
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:33,439
Speaker 1: of us are meant to be with someone and have

478
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 1: a partner whoever that whatever that person looks like, and

479
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 1: whether it's not even a love partner but a companion

480
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 1: of you know, just someone that you can experience and

481
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 1: share life with. And it's so it's so universal that

482
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 1: we all desire and it's not a thing it's wrong

483
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 1: to desire that. And I just feel like, because it's

484
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: so universal, of course it's the thing that people really

485
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: relate to and they want to. Like, it's not as

486
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: relatable as getting a New York Times bestselling book or

487
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: you know, launching a business people like that. But I

488
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: feel like when it's love, you know, or even expanding

489
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 1: your family, like it's just such a special, beautiful experience

490
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 1: that so many of us can share that I understand

491
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 1: why it gets more attention, and I just don't. I

492
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: just don't like that we're kind of getting into that

493
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 1: space where if you do share that that you are

494
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: diminishing your own success or like pandering to people to

495
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: give them what you think that they want.

496
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Speaker 3: And I'm not making any sense.

497
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 2: No, you are, because I want I saw the phone

498
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 2: when I saw your comment that, I was like, look

499
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 2: at me, diyat here Meanwhile like.

500
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: The two No, you do be paying attention. Well you

501
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: know it's rad.

502
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,400
Speaker 2: Because I'd never gone TikTok. But then the post came

503
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: up and then I looked in the comments. I said,

504
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: look at me, Andre, given good advice, would you basically said, hey,

505
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 2: share anyway, like it's a beautiful thing.

506
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: You said that.

507
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 2: You were like, don't hold back, like don't let anyone

508
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 2: not let you share, Like that's awesome. But yeah, I think, No,

509
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 2: you're right, I think and I could see their point

510
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 2: of view as well, because it's true. I never got

511
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 2: more posts. And when I posted me and Jirell like

512
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 2: the truth is, I used to lean into it. I'm like, girl,

513
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 2: I need some especially like if a brand partner would

514
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: pay me. I'm like, Jerrell, come take this picture with me,

515
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 2: like he and I both want to raise our credit

516
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 2: score with this credit monitoring draw.

517
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: Because I knew that.

518
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: Because people, to your point, they love love and you know,

519
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 2: so I knew literally I would that was that was

520
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 2: a tactic to be like, girl, you want three or

521
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: four thousand. You know most of the comments will be like,

522
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 2: oh I love y'all. I'm like, yeah, focus on the tool.

523
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 2: But I just say all that to say that certainly,

524
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: you know you can be as private or as public

525
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 2: as as you like, and you know that's up to you.

526
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think that moving forward, if I

527
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 2: don't know how life is, you know what life is

528
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 2: going to I don't know. I At first, I used

529
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 2: to be really public with my relationship with Drell, but

530
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: that's when social media was a lot more close knit

531
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 2: and it was like you know, and then over time

532
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 2: I started to share less and less only because because

533
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: I just wanted to keep some things for us, and

534
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: I would post him like maybe on his birthday or

535
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 2: anniversary or whatever. So I just think that if I

536
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 2: do get into another relationship again, you know, I don't know,

537
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 2: like I'm I don't I don't think one, I'll post

538
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 2: as much as I used to post about Jorelle if

539
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: at all. Certainly, I'll share as much as I feel

540
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 2: comfortable here as I navigate, if that's you know, like

541
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: like I said, I'm not ready at all. I need

542
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 2: to get into my new condo first and get myself

543
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 2: like like situated and things like that. But yeah, I

544
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: just think that, like, there's nothing wrong with sharing love

545
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 2: if that's what you want. But I also know that

546
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: in the sharing, you know that people then will feel,

547
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: you know, they'll feel like engaged in your life. So

548
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 2: like I prefer like I was married to Jerrelle, you know,

549
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: so it's like you know, this is your boyfriend and

550
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: then you guys break up, then it's like, well what happened?

551
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: Girl?

552
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 2: Well, I know it's not my business, but you made

553
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 2: him my business. So I'm like girl.

554
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: And now I'm looking back through old posts and you've

555
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: seen like TikTokers go through divorces and stuff, and it's

556
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: like who got the account? You know, who's going to

557
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: get the handle? Now, I for sure I understand those

558
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: those intricacies. I can't even share pictures of E because

559
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't take any and he's not fun. He won't

560
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: let me dress him up and take a picture with me.

561
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: It's probably for the better. He's like a government spy,

562
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: so you know, he's incognito.

563
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 2: But the only time the Dure will let me do

564
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: that is when I was like, people like we gotta

565
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 2: get this money, I'm like yes, He's like.

566
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: All right, that's actually not a bad idea. I feel

567
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: very protective of my son, like I don't want lots

568
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: of pictures of him out, but at the same time,

569
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: like you know, I just feel so happy with all aspects.

570
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: I just don't want it's we talk about brad Ambition,

571
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: where we talk about achieving your business and your financial

572
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: dreams and your career goals and all of that. But

573
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: I think, at least for me, that's just not enough.

574
00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: You know, I want partnership, Yeah, connectedness, people, humans and hell.

575
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.

576
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be sensitive to people who don't feel

577
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: the same way, but at least I feel like, you know,

578
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: there's so much shit out there. Like I got on

579
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: Instagram earlier, the first damn story I saw was about

580
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: a baby who drowned, and I'm just like, you know,

581
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: if you have some good news to share, whatever it is, Like,

582
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: I just wish we would lean into sharing that light

583
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: because if we all shared more light, maybe it would,

584
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: you know, get some of this darkness out of the way,

585
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,959
Speaker 1: get some of the shadows lit up, especially now. So

586
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: I choose to continue to be a part of that

587
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: as much as I can. Yeah, it's okay. It's okay

588
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: to love love and love money.

589
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: I like them love.

590
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say which.

591
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: More cause I don't know what I'm supposed to say,

592
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: but and that'll be the clip that it will be

593
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: post on social and people will grow me for it.

594
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: But no, I like them binns and love is so

595
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: important and so like it's not Yeah, it's not.

596
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: Money, so this was a mushy. Should we take a break? Yeah,

597
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: let's take a break. I gotta take this jacket off,

598
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: not because you tease me for it, but because there's

599
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: so many zippers that I'm having a hard time moving

600
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: because I'm like, they're gonna be mad. I was told, y'all, we.

601
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 2: Will be back with brown break brown booze, and we're

602
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: back and black and now it's time to boosto break,

603
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: Oh boosto break, oh boosto breakdown? Are you going to booze?

604
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: Are you going to break? What?

605
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 2: You're gonna do?

606
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: What you go take?

607
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: I wouldn't people get to see the rhythm nation shoulders

608
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: that be and Mady be doing like well you can

609
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 2: if you watch on YouTube, go ahead and watch.

610
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 3: It was it was and jacket they got me grooving?

611
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: Are you boothy or are you breaking?

612
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 3: Boost? One is?

613
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: I got out the dress. I got out the house

614
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: this weekend and I wore that dress because that's my

615
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: going out dress. It's the same one that you saw

616
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: me in. And I met up in person with about

617
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: ten or twelve of my nandy money makers in New

618
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: York and we had such a lovely they they brave

619
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: y'all know, black women getting out in the rain and

620
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: torrential downpour rain. Yeah, it was crazy and I thy.

621
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

622
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: So I got them together as like a last minute,

623
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: just wanted to meet and get to talk to them.

624
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: And it was so lovely. As much as my business

625
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: as virtual, I love the opportunity to get to meet

626
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: my people in person. So to everyone who braved the elements,

627
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: drove from Long Island to Manhattan, like from Westchester down,

628
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: it was a lot. So I just thank y'all. And

629
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: it was beautiful. It was a really beautiful time. And

630
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,239
Speaker 1: every time I plan an event and people show up,

631
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: I heal that Like thirteen year old girl who had

632
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: a surprise party, no one came to speaking about healing

633
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: our our young sol. I want to go and be like,

634
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: I want to come. I would have been. No one came, Tiffany,

635
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: they didn't have Uber back then. No one came.

636
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: About the house anyway, right, No, I love that. I

637
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: I too am going to I guess it's kind of

638
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: like a boot slash break because today I finally submitted

639
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: the final draft. I pray to Jesus teenage, Jesus, no man, Jesus, baby,

640
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: Jesus all to Jesus of my workbook version of gek

641
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: Go with Money. It's called Made Whole. It's a get

642
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 2: Go with Money workbook. And I mistakenly thought that when

643
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: you do the workbook version of your book, it's.

644
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: Like less work still in the blanks, it actually was.

645
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: It wasn't. I mean, I wouldn't say it was as

646
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: much work as Get Go with Money, but not half

647
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: you know.

648
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: Not not work.

649
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a lot of And so because I wanted,

650
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Speaker 2: you know that if you read Geka with Money that

651
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Speaker 2: you were like, oh, here's some additional added resources and

652
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Speaker 2: benefit and whatever. But then I wondered, if you didn't

653
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Speaker 2: read Giga with Money, you're missing out on critical things

654
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Speaker 2: in order to reach financial wholeness in these ten core steps.

655
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Speaker 2: So it was like this balancing it that was not easy.

656
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Speaker 2: Plus two, you know, gig Go with Money is literally

657
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Speaker 2: like a textbook. It's a big, hardy book. And I

658
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Speaker 2: really wanted Made Whole to really be like, you know,

659
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Speaker 2: not to be as dense, because I want you to

660
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Speaker 2: be able to get to the work. Put it in

661
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Speaker 2: your bag, get to the work. I made sure that

662
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Speaker 2: it was wider so when you lay it open, you

663
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Speaker 2: can like write in it. And so yeah, so Madhole

664
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Speaker 2: is going to come out in November. It's available for

665
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Speaker 2: pre order like everywhere, you know, but it doesn't come

666
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Speaker 2: out to November, so you know, do what that would

667
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Speaker 2: you will? But yeah, so I'm just really it was

668
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Speaker 2: such a relief because when something like that, I mean

669
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Speaker 2: many you know, like as you're working on a big

670
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Speaker 2: old project, it's it's looming, it's looming. And to finally

671
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Speaker 2: submit it this morning, I.

672
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Speaker 1: Was like, oh my god, can this be the end?

673
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Speaker 2: Place?

674
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Speaker 1: It was like last bit edits cluse.

675
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Speaker 2: I'm just it just anybody who thinks that they want

676
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Speaker 2: to write a book know that it's a lot of

677
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Speaker 2: work and it feels really good when it's done. But

678
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Speaker 2: it's a lot of work, you know, and so and

679
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Speaker 2: just it could be like a lot of stress and

680
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Speaker 2: so yeah, so it's like a boost that it's done

681
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Speaker 2: and a break because I'm like, I don't I don't

682
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Speaker 2: anticipate in writing anything.

683
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Speaker 1: For a while.

684
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Speaker 2: Sorry Penguin, Oh, because.

685
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Speaker 1: I'm surprised, because yeah, because you were so out of

686
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Speaker 1: it about that was huge.

687
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Speaker 3: You know, I'm done.

688
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Speaker 1: But the workbook, I agree, it does kind of sound like, oh,

689
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Speaker 1: it's just like, I don't know. I just figured it

690
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Speaker 1: was like a journal entry thing they got girl, it's

691
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Speaker 1: a lot light workbook. And I was like, this is

692
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Speaker 1: not a little Did you have to negotiate a new deal?

693
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Speaker 3: How does that work?

694
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

695
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Speaker 2: So what I happened with the workbook is that you

696
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Speaker 2: negotiate a new deal and the amount obviously it's less

697
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Speaker 2: typically because you know, like a book book is different

698
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Speaker 2: than like, you know, like a work book, because I

699
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Speaker 2: think I think the stat that Penguin gave me is

700
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Speaker 2: that they anticipate usually your workbook will sell about twenty

701
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Speaker 2: percent of what your book sold, you know, so you're

702
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: not going to get the same. So I don't know

703
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Speaker 2: that the numbers have to correlate between what you got,

704
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Speaker 2: like your book deal. Let's just say you got one

705
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars book deal, and the workbook deal might

706
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Speaker 2: be twenty like twenty thousand dollars. Not really, it really

707
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: will depend on how well your book did and how

708
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Speaker 2: what you can negotiate. And certainly, you know, I negotiated

709
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Speaker 2: like I got. I spoke to some of my friends

710
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Speaker 2: who had workbooks and understood kind of like how the

711
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Speaker 2: workbook game worked. And so the amount that they gave

712
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Speaker 2: me was similar to what I was first offered, but

713
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Speaker 2: I just felt like, this seems low for someone who's

714
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Speaker 2: slaying in the streets right now. And so I spoke

715
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Speaker 2: to one of my This is why mentorship is so important.

716
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Speaker 2: I spoke to one of my mentors, Lynette cal Fonie Cox.

717
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Speaker 2: She's everyone's financial fairy godmother.

718
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Speaker 1: She's so awesome.

719
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Speaker 2: And Lynette actually did the math with me. I had

720
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Speaker 2: never done book math. Hey, book bath will have you

721
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Speaker 2: mad at your advance If you said yeah, I was like,

722
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Speaker 2: hold up, hold up. So with book match, she had

723
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Speaker 2: me figure out, like, okay, how many books I sold,

724
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Speaker 2: how much roughly Penguin made based upon the books I sold,

725
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: which the truth of the matter is and advance is

726
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Speaker 2: money you get to keep no matter what. So there's

727
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Speaker 2: no guarantee I'll pay it back. Oh but I paid

728
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Speaker 2: my advent and I had.

729
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Speaker 3: A good advance, did you ever?

730
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Speaker 2: And so I paid by advanced time about six So

731
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Speaker 2: hanging right now is like, that's our girl, sady.

732
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Speaker 1: So she was like that you have some leverage to say.

733
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Speaker 2: I know normally you give this kind of money for workbooks,

734
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Speaker 2: but you ain't talking to no regular degular, I need

735
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Speaker 2: a little bit more, and so Lynnette gave me a

736
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Speaker 2: number that she said I would not take less than this,

737
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Speaker 2: And so I told them me and my book agent,

738
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Speaker 2: this is why your agent is so important. We talked

739
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Speaker 2: through it, and my agent not only got me what

740
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Speaker 2: Lynette said, but more so, I would say it was

741
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Speaker 2: about four times more than a workbook normally gets. Like

742
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Speaker 2: it was about the as it should Yes, basically my

743
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: book book. My advance was about what you would like

744
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: a good advance for a book. That's how I work,

745
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Speaker 2: Rahma to our workbook advance was like if you got

746
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Speaker 2: this for a regular book, you'd be like, I got

747
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: a really good advance, So I feel good about it.

748
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Speaker 1: Which like twenty percent of your book sales are even

749
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Speaker 1: still above what a regular book sells, you know what

750
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Speaker 1: I mean, Like, Yeah, what's the staff that you share,

751
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Speaker 1: like over the life tome of a book that usually shares.

752
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Speaker 2: Like cells less than two thousand copy.

753
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the average book the cells are less

754
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Speaker 1: than two thousand.

755
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 2: We're like, I like two seventy five now two years later, and.

756
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Speaker 1: So I'm glad that they got an opportunity to renegotiate

757
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: or negotiate as a separate thing, whereas I feel like,

758
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Speaker 1: I wonder if publishers are going to get like wise

759
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: to that and start trying to incorporate the workbook into

760
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Speaker 1: the initial deal before you know how success.

761
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Speaker 2: They do try they did, they would try to loup

762
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: everything together and then and that's a whole lot because

763
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: they were like, how about your workbook and whatever magical

764
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Speaker 2: book that you might want to do in the future,

765
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Speaker 2: And I was like, well, I don't even know that

766
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Speaker 2: I want to. I mean, I know one day I

767
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Speaker 2: probably will write another book, but I don't even know

768
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Speaker 2: what's she going to be about. I don't know who

769
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Speaker 2: I'm going to be. I might have a show girl,

770
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Speaker 2: I sing mister Earl, I sing I stuff exactly, but

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Speaker 2: like yeah, so yeah, So it's just like the book.

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Speaker 2: You know, the book industry. It's interesting. And so because

780
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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people would be like, well,

781
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Speaker 2: aren't you mad that you know you made them more

782
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Speaker 2: money than you received. No, because one, with your first book,

783
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Speaker 2: you don't know what it's going to do. I don't care.

784
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Speaker 2: You could be famous, you could be not famous.

785
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Speaker 3: You don't.

786
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Speaker 2: No one knows. And so that advances your money to

787
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Speaker 2: keep no matter what, because you can literally get one

788
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars advance and only make them two dollars

789
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: and they will let you keep that hundred thousand. They'll

790
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 2: be mad and you won't get another hundred. But that's

791
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Speaker 2: how that works. And so you the way it advance

792
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: works is that you pay it off. Now, the thing

793
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Speaker 2: is what I didn't understand with book math Hey, is

794
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: that book math says? I thought, at first, let's just

795
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Speaker 2: say my book was ten dollars, and let's just say

796
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: my advance was one hundred thousand. I thought for every

797
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: ten dollars book I sold, I would chip down what

798
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: I owed in the advance by ten dollars. Like, sold

799
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: ten dollars, book ten dollars comes off the one hundred

800
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: thousand that I owe you no, no, no, no no.

801
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: So typically your like, you get a cut of sales

802
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 2: once you pay back your advance, and that can range

803
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 2: anywhere from like ten to fifteen percent, right, so let's

804
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: just say ten percent. So if a book sells for

805
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: ten dollars, ten percent of ten dollars is one dollar.

806
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: And if that's your cut that you would get once

807
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: you pay back your advance, you are only lowering the

808
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand that you owe per book a dollar

809
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 2: for every book that you sell.

810
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: So you see how long you have to say, yeah,

811
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Speaker 1: I made that math equation. That math that's something beneficial

812
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: to the publisher.

813
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 2: So I was like, we haven't sold out my advance yet,

814
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: because I girl, I've literally my book has made millions,

815
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: pot millions, and so my advance was not millions. So

816
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: but like I said, that was I'm not mad at

817
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 2: it because I still got a really good advance and

818
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: it was still relatively like I mean for a book

819
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: that was going to be unknown for what it's going

820
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 2: to do. But now that we know that it's very

821
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: likely to sell, now we can negotiate differently. And so

822
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: like my next advance if I do another big book,

823
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 2: definitely will reflect the fact that, like I've sold before,

824
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 2: and so these are things like you know, to I mean,

825
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: my agent does say, like, well, if you wait too long,

826
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: they might say, well, you sold that, but that was

827
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 2: five years ago. I'm like, girl, I don't care about

828
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: not that you know, like I get it, but like

829
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: I you know, if I write another book, you know,

830
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: then I do. But maybe by then I might have

831
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: the top Netflix show in the in the world, you

832
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like, so I don't want to

833
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: lock myself into like a number now and not know

834
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: certainly it might be lower later because maybe later, you know,

835
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm not as vie and that's fine,

836
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: but maybe I'm even more viable if I decide to

837
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 2: do something. But yeah, so these are just some things

838
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: that I didn't even know. I mean, meanwhile, I went

839
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: through this whole process and I didn't really understand book

840
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: Math until Lynetteki Finick Cocks broke it down for me.

841
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, And she said, that's why

842
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: you're gonna go back and say you want more money

843
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: because book Math is like no, girl, Like, in order

844
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: for you to have paid them back what you made,

845
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 2: they had to make millions about millions of five millions

846
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: before you can pay back what you made. And I'm like,

847
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: oh okay, and so like now I finally have paid

848
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: it back. It took about two years. And so now

849
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: my next statement, I think you get it twice a year.

850
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Speaker 2: I should see my percentage, like I should get a

851
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Speaker 2: check now twice. Royalty is now a royalty, yes, which

852
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: is kind of exciting. Yeah, you know, talk about passive income.

853
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Speaker 2: I know. I was like ooh, so like I mean

854
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Speaker 2: I can imagine for a book for example, like I

855
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: will teach you to be rich that like yeah, it's

856
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 2: been a twenty years later, that thing is cooking with grease,

857
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 2: so you know, and even now more so that re

858
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: meat has to show on Netflix, I know, like his

859
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 2: book has sold out everywhere and so like that's the

860
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: thing about books is like you know, you have to

861
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 2: really ask us. So even Mandy, as you are navigating,

862
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: you will have to ask yourself big advance up front,

863
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: you know, or you know, do I want like you know, negotiating,

864
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Speaker 2: Like I'll give you what my percentage is, so you know,

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Speaker 2: like what you're going to ask for because I've gotten

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Speaker 2: that's the most book publisher is going to give you.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay for as far as your percentage,

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Speaker 2: and so like I hope one day what I'd like

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Speaker 2: to do one day is have more of a partnership

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Speaker 2: you know, the smaller percentage on the back end that

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Speaker 2: like I'd rather get quite honestly, less upfront and then

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Speaker 2: more on the back end. Most publishers will tell you

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Speaker 2: no one who's going to do that. I'm like, no,

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Speaker 2: you're not doing that.

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Speaker 1: But somebody out there bites.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see. I think the publishing industry that there's

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Speaker 2: some shifting that has to happen if you want people

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Speaker 2: to work with you. So yeah, so as you like navigate,

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to hear, like you know where you are

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Speaker 2: in your process.

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Speaker 3: I for you get to keep paving that way, baby girl,

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Speaker 3: hear my Lynette.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, girl, tell me, it's a lot.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you when I tell you the mouth they

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Speaker 2: offered me versus Wellnette, because I was gonna be like, okay,

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Speaker 2: this have just said calling that girl before you agree.

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna let you know. I'm not sure I'm

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Speaker 2: allowed to talk numbers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get it. We'll get the green tea later.

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Speaker 1: I like that girl. Oh I like that degree.

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Speaker 3: You so clever. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I washed my hair today and I feel different. I

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Speaker 1: feel smart.

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Speaker 3: All right, y'all.

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Speaker 1: Well, this was a fun, juicy, juicy episode of Brown Ambition.

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Speaker 1: We'll see y'all Friday for B, a Q and a.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget to submit your questions, but take care, be well,

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Speaker 1: Bye bye, Hey, ba fam. We could not do this

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Speaker 1: show without your support or the support of our team

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes. The Brown Ambition podcast is produced by

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Speaker 1: Imani Crosby and Dennis and Plinsky is our in house

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Speaker 1: tech guru. I am your co host Mandy woodrif Santo's

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Speaker 1: and we will see y'all next week, ba Fam.