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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and Chucks with

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Speaker 1: me and Jerry's here too, and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: you should know the last time we'll ever talk about boomers. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I know this isn't your jam, but a lot of

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Speaker 1: this stuff is my jam. Even though I'm not a boomer,

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Speaker 1: I'm very much into a lot of this music. You're

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Speaker 1: a boomer in spirit. No, I'm not. God, I want

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Speaker 1: to cuss it you so bad right now. But I

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Speaker 1: have been singing the Woodstock song in my head all day,

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Speaker 1: which is a great song and one of those sort

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Speaker 1: of rare not that rare, but one of those things

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Speaker 1: where the cover versions are just as great. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: really is. It gets like all the versions. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's I don't think there's any any song that's captured

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Speaker 1: the essence of that generation and that era better than

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Speaker 1: that song, aside from We Built this City on rock

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Speaker 1: and roll. Yeah, And you know, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: many people understand that it is a song written by

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Speaker 1: Joni Mitchell, not Crosby, Stills, Nashing Young. She wasn't there either.

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Speaker 1: David Geffen was her manager, and said, Nope, you can't go.

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Speaker 1: You have to be on Dick Cavin on Tuesday, and

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Speaker 1: I'm worried you won't make it back in time now,

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Speaker 1: which is crazy. She wouldn't would have been amazing at

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Speaker 1: the concert. But they released that recorded version within a

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Speaker 1: month of each other, which I never knew, just about

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Speaker 1: six or eight or seven months after or eight months

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Speaker 1: after the concert, but I didn't know. There was another

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Speaker 1: version released also that same year from a British band

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Speaker 1: called Matthew's Southern Comfort. Boy. They really had some bad

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Speaker 1: names back then, and I just listened to it, and boy,

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Speaker 1: they really take all of the passion out of it

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Speaker 1: in that version, and they skipped they just complete wholesale

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Speaker 1: skip the coolest line I think in the song, which

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Speaker 1: is they just say we are stardust, we are golden,

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Speaker 1: and we've got to get ourselves back to the garden.

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Speaker 1: They don't have that lyric in the middle we are

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Speaker 1: billion year old carbon, which is so hippie dippy and amazing. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I never noticed that it's true though they're right. Joni

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Speaker 1: Mitchell was right. They just skip it and it's just

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Speaker 1: very mellow and lame. To my ears. It's like shoegaze drone. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Apparently that was the biggest hit out

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Speaker 1: maybe in England, I don't know. Okay, thumbs down for me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: same here. I haven't even heard it, but it sounds sucky. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So we are talking about Woodstock and I think it's

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Speaker 1: one of those things. I'm probably in the majority for

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Speaker 1: our age group. I've heard of it, I've I've got

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Speaker 1: images of the film in my head. Sure, I have

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Speaker 1: a general I could rattle off probably four or five

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Speaker 1: people or bands that were there that played. They rained,

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Speaker 1: and it was muddy, and there was brown acid that stuff.

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Speaker 1: The thing is is, when I was researching this, I

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Speaker 1: was like, this really was like a really interesting event,

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Speaker 1: and it's not necessarily because it was just so culturally significant,

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Speaker 1: just such a special, magical, cosmic moment, which I'm sure

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Speaker 1: who believe that, but more that it was just an

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Speaker 1: exercise in putting half a million people together outdoors over

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Speaker 1: three days, throwing as much drugs as you possibly can

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Speaker 1: what happened was really impressive, was very peaceful, basically worked

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Speaker 1: like really communal. It was a really it was a

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Speaker 1: cool thing. So out of all the stuff from the

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Speaker 1: this does seem to have some chops in that respect,

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Speaker 1: Like it does seem to have been significant. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: a bit here and there he was. It was his

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Speaker 1: farm very famously in Bethel, New York, that hosted this concert.

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Speaker 1: But when he takes the stage and makes and speaks

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Speaker 1: I think Mecca gets pretty crowded on certain holy times. Okay,

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Speaker 1: But even when they say like all right, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: hundred to three hundred thousand people is like a huge,

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Speaker 1: just amazing on acid. Yeah, pretty neat. So yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: start talking about this because there's a pretty cool story.

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Speaker 1: I say we started at the beginning. How about that okay,

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Speaker 1: and then pepper in some some stuff because Ed helped

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Speaker 1: After all these years, we still do it the same way,

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Speaker 1: just so you know, we'd like to go surprise. So Woodstock,

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Speaker 1: and this is something Ed posed was why you know,

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Speaker 1: Why what made it special? Why were that many people?

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Speaker 1: And one of the first kind of boring reasons is

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Speaker 1: just the mere fact of where it was. It was

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Speaker 1: So it was just it was located in a place

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Speaker 1: But the reason that they named it Woodstock and hung

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Speaker 1: we went over to Joe's house. He's it's all right

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Speaker 1: there together. It's a beautiful, beautiful country. So okay. So

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Speaker 1: there's where the name comes from. Even though the whole

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Speaker 1: Orleans Jazz Fest kept going on. Didn't really sea Perry

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Speaker 1: Farrell and his aspirations. But yes, for the pop culture,

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Speaker 1: it was definitely Lallapaluza. I couldn't agree more. Yeah, yeah, boy,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that about jazz fest. I would

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Speaker 1: have gotten smoked in the emails. Yeah. Sure. So the

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Speaker 1: And the whole thing was founded by two guys, Artie

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Speaker 1: Cornfield and Michael Lange, two guys put on Woodstock, and

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Speaker 1: a free concert from now on. And that did a

424
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: few things that it just turned this into like a

425
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 1: if it wasn't a hippie fest before, it's just totally now. Yeah, sure,

426
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: because it's a free concert featuring some of the some

427
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: really huge acts. And then secondly, I think by not

428
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: putting up really good fences, they prevented gate crashing, like

429
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: actual real gate crashing, which I think would have cast

430
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 1: a really different vibe over the whole festival. Because if

431
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: you enter a festival, if the first thing you do

432
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 1: when you come into a festival is break the law

433
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: or steal, essentially you're stealing in the ticket price, Yeah,

434
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: that just kind of puts a spin on your experience.

435
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: From that moment on. No one really had that experience

436
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: at Woodstock because the guys said, fine, it's it's free,

437
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: and it prevented that, And I think that that helps

438
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 1: really lay the groundwork for the vibe that that was,

439
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: you know, that grew at at that festival. Yeah, you

440
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 1: can't complain about inadequate water and food supplies when you

441
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: have crashed a free concert. Very good point. Although people

442
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: would do that today, but they didn't Beck then for sure.

443
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,959
Speaker 1: So after they announced it, though, Chuck, they were like,

444
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: it went from like a pretty big concert. Remember they

445
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: were expecting a couple of hundred thousand, which is huge,

446
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: to at least double that because words spread really quickly

447
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: and people just started coming from all of those cities

448
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: within a seven hour drive, and people were driving there.

449
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: That's really the only way to get there aside from

450
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: a helicopter, and very few hippies at the time had helicopters,

451
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: just that they could fly themselves. So everybody was driving

452
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: their car, probably ten hippies to a car, and those

453
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: cars started to pile up, not like on top of

454
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: one another, but right around one another, and people just

455
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: started realizing, like, we're not going to go any further.

456
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: This is the this is the where the line to

457
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: get in begins. Is where our car is now. So

458
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: everybody just left their cars and started walking miles in

459
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: some cases to the farm to where the stage was

460
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: that and that. They were like, oh, we'll come get

461
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 1: our car in a couple of days. Yeah, absolutely, that's

462
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: the right thing to do. They could hear Richie Havens

463
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: in the distance. They're like, screw this, I'm walking. Yeah.

464
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: They ran out of by the time Saturday rolls around,

465
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: they had run out of food, they had run out

466
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: of medical supplies, the whole you know, all the towns

467
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: around really chipped in, the National Guard, the US Army,

468
00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: people donated food, they donated eggs and water, and max

469
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 1: Yasger donated milk and yogurt, and the local townspeople made

470
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: sandwiches to send along in ten thousand of them. Yeah,

471
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: like everyone really chipped in to make sure that something

472
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: bad didn't happen, and to their credit, like nothing really

473
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: bad did happen. No. I mean, can you imagine half

474
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: a million people all getting angry at the same time.

475
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: That would be bad. And there was another group that

476
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: chipped into, the Hog Farm. Here comes your buddy. I'm

477
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: so excited. So the Hog Farm was a hippie commune.

478
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: I don't remember what state it was, and I think

479
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: maybe Arizona, but they had established themselves as really great

480
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: at providing security and services at music festivals, hippie music festivals.

481
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons why they were so good

482
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: at it was because they were led by none other

483
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: than possibly the greatest hippie of all time, Wavy Gravy.

484
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: That was his group was the Hog Farm. And I

485
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, I did not see him coming, and

486
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: when I saw him, I was awesome and I have

487
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,239
Speaker 1: even more love for him now. I just liked him

488
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: before because of his name, but it turns out he

489
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: was a pretty awesome dude. It's great. Yeah. So the

490
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: Hog Farm, when they were providing security services at festivals,

491
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: they called themselves the police force, and I think it

492
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: has a kind of a double meaning, like they're pleasing

493
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 1: the people that they're having to deal with, but at

494
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: the same time, they were exceedingly polite their method. When

495
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: there was a problem or there's a static or something

496
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: like that, they would intervene, but they wouldn't physically intervene.

497
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: They would just kind of come up and be like, hey,

498
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: let's move on over this way. And they were very

499
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: polite in breaking up problems, preventing like contagions from spreading

500
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: throughout the crowd by just completely de escalating whatever whatever

501
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: was going on, whether it was maybe a fight that

502
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: was about to break out, to somebody who was on

503
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: a bad trip because they took too much brown acid. Yeah,

504
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: and there there was a sort of um, you scratch

505
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: my back, I'll scratch your back ethos to the whole thing.

506
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: So if you had it we're having a bad trip,

507
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: and someone helped you out from the Hog Farm and

508
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: talked you through this experience, then they were like, all right,

509
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: now you go help someone out. Or if we helped

510
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: feed you, why don't you help feed and like kind

511
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: of take a shift. And so the crowd, you know,

512
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: responded and kind and that's what kept it. I think

513
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: Ed says like, not a single fight broke out. I'm

514
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: sure that probably wasn't true, but there's some people who

515
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: swear that. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'm cynical, but

516
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. People you can have your eyeballs on

517
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: everything all at once. No, for sure, I'm with you,

518
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: but it's one of those that's a part of the

519
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: myth that I'm happy to just keep going. Okay, not

520
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: not a single fight broke out, not one. It's documented fact.

521
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: And you mentioned the brown acid. That was a very

522
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: sort of legendary announcement made by a guy, believe it

523
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: or not, whose name was his real name Chipmunk. Well

524
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: that was his nickname, was Chip. Well, I know, but

525
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: that was his name, like, well that's what people call him. Sure,

526
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is it wasn't like his name was Chipmunk.

527
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: I'm not saying his parents named him that. But do

528
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: you know his real name? I think it was Edward,

529
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: but his last name was m O n c K.

530
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: And people just called him Chip. I'm pretty sure he

531
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: had four names, and I'm pretty sure the first one

532
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: was Edward Edward Monk, whist way way less cool than Chipmunk. Uh.

533
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: Like I said, his name was Chipmunk, which is very fun.

534
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: Despite you trying to kill that fun, I'm sorry. And

535
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: he was the de facto MC. He was the lighting designer.

536
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: He ended up winning like Tony Awards and stuff and

537
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: came up with the lighting system and one of the

538
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: I'm not sure which of the com producers said it,

539
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: but one of them said, Hey, we don't have anyone

540
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: to do this job, so you're gonna m see this

541
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: thing if you will. So. Throughout the Woodstock documentary, which

542
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: was released in March of nineteen seventy from director Michael Wadley,

543
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: Great great documentary, When the Academy Award, there are many

544
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: announcements from Chipmunk that are very He just had this

545
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: sort of droll like. He wasn't a professional MC, he

546
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: wasn't like ladies. He wasn't Michael Buffer out there. But

547
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: his very famous don't take the brown acid announcement is

548
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: really funny. You know, he said, take it, take it

549
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: with however many grains of salt you wish, but we

550
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: suggest that you stay away from that the brown acid.

551
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: Of course, it's your own trip, so be my guest,

552
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: but please be advised there is a warning on that one. Yeah,

553
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: and like that definitely helps set the tone too. Like

554
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: everything was calm, including when he was like, there's a

555
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: lightning storm coming and we're all in the middle of

556
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: a field. So if you're on one of those lightning

557
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: rigs watching the show, please come down kind of thing,

558
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: or we're out of food. There's a lot of stuff

559
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: that really could have gone differently if he hadn't been

560
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: the cool dude that he was very calm and collected,

561
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: which is that it's just another little fortuitous thing, you

562
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: know that that just happened. Everything kind of came together.

563
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: There's one other thing I wanted to mention. You said,

564
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: everybody's kind of coming together and you scratch my backall

565
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: scratchers kind of thing. There was a ton of volunteerism

566
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: there where a lot of the people who were attending

567
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: it also ended up volunteering for all sorts of different stuff.

568
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: And one of the things that was really important was

569
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: they had planned the medical staff to cover two hundred

570
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: thousand people, and they now had double that, and like

571
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: the guy who was like the chief physician for the

572
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: whole thing was really worried. And so as word kind

573
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: of spread that, like they didn't have that many people

574
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: to take care of everyone, and the roads were impassable,

575
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: so the best you could hope for it was an

576
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: airlift via helicopter. People who were mds and r ns

577
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: who were there to see the show ended up coming

578
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: and volunteering with the medical staff and just to pitch in.

579
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: It was just that kind of that kind of spirit.

580
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: I just love those little stories and there's a million

581
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: of them in this uh, in this um, around this festival.

582
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: How about that at this concert? Sure? Uh you mentioned

583
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: the rain storm. The rain came through Sunday and it

584
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: did thin the crowd a little bit. A lot of

585
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: people by that point we're like, all right, this is

586
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: sort of the last straw. We've had our fun. We

587
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: saw Richie Havens, we saw Sean on Ah. I wouldn't

588
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that in a minute, but maybe we

589
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: should go home. So the crowd into a little bit,

590
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: but a lot of people stayed. And that's when you know.

591
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: If you've seen the famous footage of of naked hippies

592
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: taking mud bats. That was from Sunday on and a

593
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: lot of them stayed and that that acid was still

594
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: going strong, and who needs clothes at that point, right,

595
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: I can imagine sure square yeah right, so um so yeah,

596
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: that was a big deal too. But he just kind

597
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: of ran with that with the rain and everything. But

598
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: as all this going on, there's food that they've run

599
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: out of and that's now being trucked in. Seven hundred

600
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: and ninety seven bad trips that were bad enough to

601
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: go seek attention at the medical that's all, yeah, astoundingly

602
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: and only I think thirty I read a Journal of

603
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: Emergency Medical Services article that I found linked to from

604
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: a Grunge article on woodstock, and it was basically a

605
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: rundown of that. They said, seven ninety seven and only

606
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: I think twenty or thirty of them couldn't be talked

607
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: down and had to be injected with valium. That was there.

608
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: That was the final, the final countdown, because they would

609
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: if you just wouldn't stop raving about how nuts you were,

610
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: right then they would shoot you up with valium. Interesting, yeah,

611
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: so right, while all this is going on, everybody's like

612
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: having just a great time. There's plenty of bands playing.

613
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: We haven't really talked too much about the bands. There

614
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: were a ton of people that played, everybody from Janis

615
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: Joplin to Jimi Hendrix to Melanie. Never heard of her before,

616
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: but she was one of the folk singers that played

617
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: on Friday. There's just a ton of different people. He

618
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: did that song in Boogie Knights, Paly Boogie Knights, No

619
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: the one. Uh I got a brand new bearer, Rolskap.

620
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: Oh sure, sure, yeah, I think that was Melanie. Yeah, okay, cool, Yeah,

621
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: love Melanie. I love that song at least. But there's

622
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: just a bunch of different people and all, you know,

623
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to say all of them did really well,

624
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: that's just not true. Some of them did terribly and

625
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: some of them turned in some, you know, good enough performances,

626
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: but some had like some real breakout performances too. Yeah.

627
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 1: I mean, Richie Havens was one of them. He opened

628
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: the show. If you've never seen Richie Havens before or

629
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: heard him, just go watch the Woodstock performance. It is

630
00:34:54,760 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: a it is a lesson in like soulful performance. He

631
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: he I don't think it was supposed to open the show,

632
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: but he was the only one there. And they didn't

633
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: have other people to follow him, so they just said

634
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: keep playing. In his memory, he played for like over

635
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: two hours, but I think it was really about an

636
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: hour or so. But he kind of set a tone

637
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: and again, like he said, this just serendipitous experience, one

638
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: after the other. I think Richie Haven's opening that show. Really,

639
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: I don't know who was supposed to open. I don't

640
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: I never saw either. I just saw that he was

641
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: not expecting to and they're like, you're literally the only

642
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: performer here, can you please open the show? So yeah,

643
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: he did what he could and he just kept playing

644
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: until somebody else showed up. I'm not sure who came

645
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: on after him, but he really Yeah, he put that

646
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: first tent Pagan and it was a yeah, it was

647
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: a doozy. Joan Bayaz was another. They made a conscious

648
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: choices organizers of the event to not and it was

649
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: of course it was going to be political with the

650
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: hippie contingent and Vietnam and everything, but they didn't politicians

651
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: to speak or have a political tents set up, which

652
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: is something that you would have it like a lot

653
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: of these festivals. Yes, but Joan Baiez of course is

654
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: going to bring bring the the awareness no matter where

655
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: she just she uses awareness everywhere she goes. Right, so

656
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: did Richie Havens too. For sure. I think probably almost

657
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: everybody on Friday was had some sort of anti war,

658
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: anti draft message going, you know. Yeah, a lot of

659
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: folky stuff on Friday. Um, like you said, Santana, Um,

660
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: this wasn't his first show obviously, but this was this

661
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: This show came out before his first album ever was released, right, yeah,

662
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: and he he says that he took some mescaline that

663
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: Jerry Garcia from The Grateful Dead had given him because acid.

664
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah was it acid? Yeah, I've seen both for sure.

665
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: I'll watched an interview with him today. Oh he said

666
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: acid Okay cool? Yeah, so and that makes a little

667
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: more sense too. But anyway, Jerry Garcia dosed Carlos Santana

668
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: with Carlos Santana's a willingness before the show because Santana

669
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: thought he had like plenty of hours before he needed

670
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 1: to go on, so he's like, sure, I'll just trip

671
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: first and then go on afterward. And just like everyone

672
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: else at Woodstock, he was shoved out on stage long

673
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: before he had planned to go out there or else

674
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: everyone else went on way after the time that they

675
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: had planned out. Their schedule just went out the window exactly.

676
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: So he ended up going and playing his show while

677
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: he was peeking, and he turned into really great performance.

678
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: It was great. I mean he you know, you can

679
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: see interviews with him, like of old Carlos Santana talking

680
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: about his experience and talking about how the neck was

681
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: like moving in his in his hands like a snake,

682
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: and he just he said, I kept saying to myself

683
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: like slow down, man, slow down, And but then he's like,

684
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: or am I playing you know, the perfect speed? And

685
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: you could see the rest of it. And I think

686
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: the rest of the group was on acid too, and

687
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: they were just they were crushing it. It was amazing. Yeah,

688
00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: pretty amazing. Who's the picture? Doc? Who's oh, doc Ellis?

689
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: Doc ellis? Yeah? Yeah, who did not crush it? Um?

690
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: According to their fans, and this is who knows. I'm

691
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: sure there's some Dead fans that love this performance, but

692
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: I think it's widely known within the Dead community that

693
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: the Woodstock performance by the Grateful Dead was not their best.

694
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: Don't know what that means, Oh, oh it was. It

695
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: was like for the Grateful Dead, it was terribly loose.

696
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: They played a fifty minute version of love Light. Lovelight

697
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: is such a terrible song anyway, And one of the

698
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: big problems with The Grateful Dead is that they always

699
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: extended that stupid song way too long. A fifty minute

700
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: version of love Light. Right, I don't know about any

701
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: of this. So there's, um, there's ten I beseech you

702
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: to go just listen to a regular love Light and

703
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: then imagine fifty minutes of um and then uh, and

704
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: apparently there's ten minutes of them just basically standing around

705
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: talking in the middle of that fifty minute Lovelight. It

706
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: was just really it was bad. It was not a good,

707
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: good performance. And in their defense, um, they're a rainstorm

708
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: had just blown through and the stage was hot electrically speaking. Yeah, yeah,

709
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: that was part of it. I don't think that was

710
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: all of it. So I think what I'm reading for

711
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: you is what could have been a ninety second fix

712
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: ended up being ten minutes basically. Yeah, And I think

713
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: that I have the impression that they like that they

714
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: were playing love Light still while they were standing around

715
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: talking to one another too. It wasn't stop. Yeah, And

716
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: I saw the set list and it looked like it

717
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: had had them. It was possible, it could have been

718
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: something really great. But I get the impression that they

719
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: just weren't weren't in the right mindset right then. I

720
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: always forget that. You you had a little Dead spell.

721
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: Yeah you, I mean you never like followed him around

722
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Did you know they were gone?

723
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: I remember remember I had a chance to see their

724
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: last show at the Omni. One of my friends had

725
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: just gotten into him. It was like, dude, you gotta go,

726
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: come on, let's go. And I was like, I'll just

727
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: catch him next time. That was the famous thing of mine.

728
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: And they did that with Stevie ray Vaughan to Lloyd

729
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: Um a lot of people. Yeah. I was just like,

730
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: I'll just catch him next time. So I've learned now

731
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: to just be like, Okay, yeah, let's go. That's why

732
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: you you will travel to go see air supply man?

733
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: That so not gonna take that chance. No way they

734
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: might run out of air. No, they have a full supply. Okay. Um.

735
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: So the Dead's performance is supposedly not so great. Uh

736
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: CCR did play and apparently he's a really good set.

737
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: But John Fogerty, he's a pretty cranky guy, or at

738
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: least was back then, and I think he kept shouting

739
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: out that they were the second biggest band in the world.

740
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 1: No one believed him. Everyone said CCR really all right,

741
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: and he would not release or he wouldn't sign the

742
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: release to um make it into the Woodstock film. And

743
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: the Dead was not in the Woodstock film. I don't

744
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: think either, right. No, the lighting was not good for

745
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: some reason. I guess because of the lightning and rain

746
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: that had just blown through. I'm not sure why, but yeah,

747
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: I saw that it was so bad that they couldn't

748
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: use the footage. Yeah, so a lot of people who

749
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: are familiar with Woodstock through the film may be surprised

750
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 1: that CCR and the Grateful Dead performed or cranky Neil

751
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: Young who Crosby Seals, Nash and Young very famously played

752
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: their second ever show together. They played one show the

753
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: night before in Chicago, and this was show number two,

754
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: and Neil Young didn't want to sign the release for

755
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: the film, so I guess they just cut around him. Yeah,

756
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: be my guests. I have a little brief Dead anecdote

757
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: from recently. Actually, if you want to hear it, should

758
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: we take a break and hear it right after No,

759
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: I think it's a pre break and okay, all right,

760
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: let's hear it. So I actually downloaded a Dick's Picks

761
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: like where it's a live show. I think one of

762
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: their soundboard guys like picked over the years, and it

763
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: was like, this one's so good, we're gonna release it

764
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: as an album. Okay. So anyway, I downloaded it from

765
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: iTunes and um, I was I went to go listen

766
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: to it, and I was about to press play, and

767
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't really want to listen to

768
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: the Grateful debt again, but I do want my money back.

769
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: So I went to the whole trouble of contacting Apple

770
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: to ask for a refund on it, and it said

771
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: why And I really wanted to make sure that they

772
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: gave me my money back, so I said, my friend

773
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: told me this is a drug band and I don't

774
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: want to hear that. Oh my god, And they gave

775
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: me my money back. What year was this? Like this year?

776
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: He's serious, Yeah, it was just a few months ago.

777
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah. Thanks, I'm sorry. I'll let you know

778
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: that they're a drug band. I'm sorry I ruined that

779
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: for you. No, I can take a break. All right, boy,

780
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: that was great. I'm gonna ruminate out on that. We'll

781
00:42:54,360 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: be right back. We should mention the Who. Probably they

782
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: were one of the bigger bands, but like you said,

783
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: this vaulted them from theaters to arenas after that movie

784
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: came out. But Who were kind of cranky there because

785
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 1: there was no green room. They were used to better treatment.

786
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: The monitors were crap, apparently, even though supposedly the sound

787
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: system is designed by a man named Bill Hanley, was

788
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: was great, but the onstage monitors weren't good. So what

789
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: Roger Daltrey couldn't hear himself and he feels like he

790
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: was off key, and so they were just like not

791
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: having it. I think Keith Moon and John ent was

792
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: Sold purposefully took LSD in a station wagon with some girls,

793
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: but Daltry and Townsend accidentally took LSD. Townsend from coffee

794
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: and Roger Daltrey from some tea that was spiked right,

795
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: So by the time they got up there, they were

796
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: not happy. They were pushed to like a five am

797
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: slot and when Abbie Hoffman jumps up on stage to

798
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: you know, God bless Abbie Hoffman. But admittedly it was

799
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: quite a buzz kill when you hear the audio from

800
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: this to interrupt a WHO show to talk about freeing

801
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: his friend and activist John Sinclair for cannabis possession, Pete

802
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: Townsend wasn't having it, and he moved him forcibly out

803
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: of the way with his guitar very famously. Yeah, supposedly

804
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: injured Abbie Hoffman. But Roger Daltrey's like NOAA didn't happen,

805
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: and so did Pete Townsend. But I've loved it. They

806
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: were surly, yeah, kind of which which was not how

807
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: most of the other bands were. But I can't really

808
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: blame him. You said that there was no green room

809
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: and they had to wait backstage. I read that they

810
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: had to wait backstage for fourteen hours. Yeah, it was

811
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: a drag. Anybody would be surly at that point, you know.

812
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: But they had a really cool thing that happened, just

813
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: kind of serendipitously. Their set got pushed so far back

814
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: that they were playing the end of it as the

815
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: sun was rising, and it's really neat in the documentary

816
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: to see that, you know, that's true. Yeah, so they

817
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: lucked out. I mentioned Shanna Nah. Yeah, it's if you've

818
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: ever seen that Woodstock movie. One of the great performances

819
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: is from the fifties throwback du wop group that became

820
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: famous for their TV show in the seventies. But you

821
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: would think it would be antithetical to these hippie dippy

822
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: late sixties kids out there, But it was that perfect,

823
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: like nostalgia bomb for them, like this is the music

824
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 1: they either heard when they were kids or their parents music,

825
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: and they it was a lot of fun. Yeah, and

826
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: Shana and I was like they were a club act

827
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: and they ended up becoming like Shanna Nah because of

828
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: that Woodstock appearance. But you said that it was nostalgia. Um,

829
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: I guess the Cornfeld and Lang tried to get Roy

830
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: Rogers to sign on to Yeah, he was gonna do

831
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: he was gonna be the last act and just play

832
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: Happy Trails and the whole thing. And Roy Rogers was like,

833
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that, Get off my lawn. So he

834
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: got Van Halen to sing happy Trails. Oh yeah, I forgot.

835
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: They sang that David Lee Roth is cool. That's the

836
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 1: poll quote. Can we make that our little Instagram things? Sure?

837
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: And then of course Jimmy Hendrix. We would be remiss

838
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: not to mention the Monday morning. Most people are gone.

839
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: Performance by the Band of Gypsies, like not just Monday morning,

840
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: took Monday morning commute time. Yeah, like the last time

841
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: for an acid fueled rock concert. Yeah. And that then

842
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: that's where you get the very famous Star Spangled Banner performance.

843
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: And the reason why he played that is because it

844
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: was in his contract that he performed last, and that

845
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: all those delays just bumped him to Monday morning. And

846
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: what's cool, so many people had cleared out that if

847
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: you see pictures of him playing I'm not sure if

848
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 1: it's in the documentary or not, people are just hanging

849
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: around like the stage, like fans are just right like

850
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: hanging on the speakers and sitting around watching him like

851
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: that closely. It just became that loose. Yeah. It was

852
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: sort of the effect of like, I don't know if

853
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: you've ever worked in restaurants, but when you put on

854
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: your music after the restaurant is clothes and everyone's kind

855
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: of milling about, drinking and like cleaning up. That was

856
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: Jimmy Andricks in the Band of Gypsies. It's crazy. It

857
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: is crazy. So the Lang Cornfeld, Roberts and Rosenman apparently

858
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: Lange Cornfield were like, guys, we need more money, more money,

859
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: more money, like a bunch of times, and Roberts and

860
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: Roseman actually went back to their families and we're like,

861
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: this is a sure thing, just give us some more money.

862
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: And they ended up sinking one point eight million into

863
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: the whole thing, which I saw was about seventeen million

864
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: dollars in today's money, which is still not bad considering

865
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: a concert with half a million people. Yeah, but but

866
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: they they were almost almost entirely in the red for that, Like,

867
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: they made basically no money whatsoever. They just lost at

868
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: one point eight million dollars and they owed it to

869
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: Roberts and Rosenman and their families. And apparently Langon Cornfeld

870
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: finally paid off the debt in the early eighties, and

871
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: it was largely because of the documentary movie and the

872
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: album that was released. Yeah, the documentary made a lot

873
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: of money, like thirty million plus, and I think that

874
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: doesn't even count you know, home video and streaming releases

875
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: and stuff like that since But like I said, Michael

876
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,439
Speaker 1: Wilde won the Academy Award for that, and a very

877
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 1: young Marty Scorsese was I think one of seven editors,

878
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: and I think he was there shooting as well, if

879
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, and his legendary film manager the almost

880
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: Schunemacher or is it I don't know if it's Schoonmacher

881
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: Schunemacher both, Okay, one of the all time great film editors.

882
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: She was one of them as well. And that movie

883
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: boosted a lot of careers for people that ended up

884
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: and I think ended up in the film. And I

885
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: think a lot of people who didn't sign over their

886
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: rights or refused to have their footage us probably ended

887
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 1: up regretting that. Yep. And there's nothing sweeter than thinking

888
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: of Neil Young regretting one of his surly decisions. You know, No,

889
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: I love Neil Young in his surliness. So one thing

890
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: that came out of Woodstock was that it became a

891
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: bit of a brand, as seen in like some revivals

892
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: that were made for attempts. I think there was Woodstock

893
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: ninety four, there's definitely Woodstock ninety nine, and then there's

894
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: going to be a Woodstock fifty in twenty nineteen, but

895
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: it got scuttled right because of the disaster of the

896
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: last Woodstock I think, yes. But there's one thing I

897
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: want to say. We talked a lot about people pitching in,

898
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: volunteering all that stuff. On Monday morning, after Jimmy Hendrix

899
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: finished playing, almost everybody laughed, but about eight thousand participants, fans,

900
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: people who came to Woodstock. They stayed behind to help

901
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: clean up, and this place was trashed yea when they started,

902
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: And apparently they did such a good job that archaeologists

903
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 1: who excavate the site are routinely frustrated at finding basically nothing.

904
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: Because the eight thousand volunteers who stayed behind to clean

905
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 1: up did such a good job at it. That's pretty great,

906
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, no disasters. I think there were two deaths,

907
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: and it seems like neither one were because of the thing.

908
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: I think the one reported overdose was later found or

909
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: believed not to be an overdose and was a heart thing. Yeah.

910
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: The other one was very sad too. Well. Yeah, that

911
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: was a straight up tragedy. The kid was sleep asleep

912
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: in the field and don't run over by a tractor. Yeah,

913
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: Raymond me Zach. There was no alcohol or drugs found

914
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: in his system either. He was there with his older

915
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: sister who probably still feels guilty about it. The other

916
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: guy who died was Richard Biler and it's like, man,

917
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: that's that's a real bummer. Still not bad for half

918
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: a million people. And I saw it compared to um Buffalo,

919
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: New York, which at the time had a population of

920
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: about the same as the number of people who came

921
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: to the Woodstock festival. And over that same weekend, that

922
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: same period of time, Buffalo New York registered forty deaths.

923
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: There are only two at Woodstock. And I can tell

924
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: you Buffalo New York wasn't entirely on acid over that

925
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: weekend either. Well, but there were a lot of olds.

926
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: If you fact you're an age, sure that's true. Wait no, yeah,

927
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: that excuse it the other way. Still, I know it's

928
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: a wash. There was always the rumors of the Woodstock

929
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: baby too, and in fact, at one point in my

930
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: life I thought that would have been a fun movie

931
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: to write, and I think I worked on it for

932
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: a little while. Someone that finds out that there were

933
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: the wood Stock baby, But there was not a baby born,

934
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, in the crowd at wood Stock, like the

935
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: legend has it. I think someone was airlifted and had

936
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: a baby and then one was in a car maybe yes,

937
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: on the way there. Yeah, So no, no, true, would

938
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: Stock baby but that still would be a good movie.

939
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: I think. So what, um, what did the protagonists in

940
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: your script feel like? Was there like they had problems

941
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: with being the woodstock baby or well, yeah, I mean

942
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: I think the obvious thing to do was make them

943
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: like a like Alex P. Keaton type and Alex P.

944
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: Keaton type, and then what he turns into like a

945
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: mole at the end they find free love in the end.

946
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: Of course, you could write that thing. It writes itself,

947
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 1: Martin Mole's the quintessential hippie. That's right, as was Maxie

948
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: asger Um, which is not true. He did not get

949
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: flipped to movie style into being a hippie, but he

950
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: did get sued by his neighbor, at least one neighbor.

951
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: I think the organizers and the guys who funded the

952
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: thing ended up suing one another. There were various lawsuits

953
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: over the years, but max Yasker ended up selling his farm,

954
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,479
Speaker 1: moving to Florida and died there like a year after

955
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: he moved. But he addressed the crowd at one point,

956
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: and it's really a really great clip. This kind of

957
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: conservative farm guy got up in front of four hundred

958
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: thousand people plus and said, wait, wait, can you do

959
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: it as Eugene Levy? No, but he said, you know,

960
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: he said, I'm not used to addressing twenty people, much

961
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 1: less this MANI And it's about a minute and a half.

962
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: But the one takeaway is he said, I think you

963
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: people have proven something to the world. The important thing

964
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: that you prove into the world is at a half

965
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 1: a million kids can get together and have three days

966
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: of fun in music and have nothing but fun in music,

967
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: and I God, bless you for it. Very nice, pretty

968
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: good stuff, and happy trails to you, he said. I

969
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: hear not one fight broke out. His name is is

970
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: just a nickname. Look, I'm just glad we get if

971
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: we didn't get into another argument like we did in

972
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: the what was the episode we did and we're like, oh,

973
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. Recently, yeah, yeah, remember I was like

974
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: saying something. You're like, yes, I'm saying the same thing,

975
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: and oh oh yeah, what was that that was really

976
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: recently that made not even be released yet? No, I

977
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: don't think it has Okay, that was a fun one.

978
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: All right, Well you got anything else about Woodstock Man,

979
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: I got nothing else? Good one that I mean. It's

980
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: the briefest of overviews for such a big topic, but

981
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: I think I think it was pretty good. I agreed.

982
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: Since Chuck thinks this episode was pretty good everybody, That means,

983
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: of course it's time for a listener mail. This was

984
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: just something I thought was great. Hey, Josh and Chuck.

985
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: I recently introduced Stuff you should Know to my seven

986
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: year old son John. He loves you, guys, as even

987
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: adopted some of your phrases, regularly telling me not to

988
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: yuck as he hum. A few weeks ago, during some

989
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: of your somewhat off topic banter, he asked me if

990
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: you guys were married, and I said no, you know,

991
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: they talk about their wives all the time, and he

992
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: paused and looked confused. Then he said no, I meant

993
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: to each other and he said I laughed and said no.

994
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: And the next morning, while listening to the show, he said, Daddy,

995
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: are you sure those guys aren't married? And he is

996
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: convinced it because you guys get along so well, you

997
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: must be married to each other. That means Tom and

998
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: his wife must have a good marriage. Sure. Now, he

999
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: asked me that every time we listen, which is funny,

1000
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: So keep up the good work. We love with the

1001
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: content of the show and you're on air chemistry even

1002
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: if you weren't married to each other. And that is

1003
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: Tom from Baltimore and his seven year old son John. So,

1004
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,919
Speaker 1: hey John, we're not married John. If I were gay,

1005
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: you could do a lot worse, thanks man, And I would.

1006
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: I often think about having your beard rub against my

1007
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: chin once in a wile you like, I prefer my

1008
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 1: guys a little more fit, but no, I like something

1009
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: to really kind of grab onto and I'm hugging and kids.

1010
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 1: All right, well we could have a good time. Then, Hey, John,

1011
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: thank you for creating this weird conversation, but thank you

1012
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: for writing in. That was one of the most adorable

1013
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: listener mails I've heard in recent memory, and thank you

1014
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: very much for listening. If you want to be like

1015
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Speaker 1: John and Tom you said too right, yep, and write

1016
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