1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's The Velvet's 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson. 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: I'm here with Michelle Rovitz, licensed acupuncturist and author. 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 3: Hi Michelle, Hi Kelly. 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, thank you for being here. I was 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: telling you before we started recording that I recently had 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 2: a back injury that was causing spasms, and I used 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: acupuncture as one of the tools to help me heal, 10 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: and it was amazing the difference that I felt in 11 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: my body after each session and then throughout the weeks 12 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 2: that I would do it. It's such like it's like 13 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: it almost kicked in later too. It was crazy to 14 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: me how acupuncture works. But I've kind of become obsessed 15 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: with acupuncture because of that, and it's something I've done before, 16 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 2: even for migraines or different different kinds of illnesses and 17 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 2: things like that. But I feel like it's one of 18 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: those things we talk about. Everyone kind of knows, oh yeah, yeah, acupuncture, 19 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 2: But I said to you, I'm like, but nobody really 20 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: knows or talks about what actually happens in a session 21 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: and all the different things that you can use acupuncture for. 22 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: So I'm so happy to have you here today as 23 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: you can get the listeners a little bit of a 24 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: backstory and just kind of the breakdown of acupuncture. So 25 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: maybe let's start with just a quick explanation of what 26 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: is acupuncture? 27 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 4: Yes, good question, and a lot of people don't really 28 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 4: know what it is. It seems like this mysterious thing 29 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 4: with needles going in the body. And I remember, so 30 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 4: my background actually was in architecture before I found acupuncture, 31 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 4: and I remember myself being very intrigued to like, what 32 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 4: in the world is this. So it's really one of 33 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 4: the pillars we use in Chinese medicine, and so Chinese 34 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 4: medicine practitioners the two main pillars. But then there's a 35 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 4: lot of other tools in the toolbox that we use. 36 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 4: But the two main ones are Chinese herbs and acupuncture. Okay, 37 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 4: and the herbs are more like the chemical, the pharmaceutical 38 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 4: aspect with natural herbs, and then the acupuncture is more 39 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 4: like the mechanical We use mechanical basically like getting the 40 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 4: needle in to stimulate our life force vitality or energetic 41 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 4: meridians basically that carry chi we call cheese life force vitality, 42 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 4: and when that she is not flowing. We can have 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 4: either pain or we can have conditions or symptoms really 44 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 4: coming from like patterns. So in Chinese medicine, we don't 45 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 4: really treat the symptom. We treat a pattern. So somebody 46 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 4: can come in for like migraines, and you have five 47 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 4: different people with migraines. But one person might have migraines 48 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 4: because they have too much cold in the system. Another 49 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 4: person might have a migraine because of wind cold, you know, 50 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 4: like getting a cold or something coming in. Another one 51 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 4: can have it from deficiency, like just not having enough 52 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 4: blood or nutrients in the body. So it really depends. 53 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 4: And that's why it's unique, because we're looking at like 54 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 4: the root cause of what is causing that expression. 55 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: You've mentioned a little bit about the blocked chi and 56 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: I want to talk about that because I find this 57 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: so fascinating. But our bodies really are amazing in the 58 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: way that they can heal themselves and also just prevent illnesses, 59 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: fight off things like anything like that. But I don't 60 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: know that we I mean, I do feel like we're 61 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: starting to have these conversations, but I don't feel like 62 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 2: people even realize how strong our bodies are because we're 63 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: so used to just throwing a pill at something, right, 64 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: And that's something I talk about a lot on this podcast. 65 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: But you mentioned the blocked chi and I constantly am 66 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: saying to everyone, I'm like, energy is everything, Like I 67 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: feel like it's everything in this world. So can you 68 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: talk about what happens? Like, I know there's acu points, right, 69 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: there's certain acupoints, and then you put a needle in 70 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: certain areas and then what happens. 71 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 4: Okay, so many different things. But the body is incredible, 72 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 4: like you said, and I totally agree, and it really 73 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 4: is actually the body that heals. We're just create, we're facilitating, 74 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 4: like we're making it easier for the body. So if 75 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 4: the body has imbalances and that can happen through the 76 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 4: environment or emotions or things that happen. It can be 77 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 4: many different reasons why a person got there, but we're 78 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 4: really facilitating the free flow of energy. And sometimes, yes, 79 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 4: we can constrict from stress. The body can basically like 80 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 4: shut down or you can not shut down in a 81 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 4: like drastic way. Obviously it keeps working, but like you 82 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 4: can have emotions that can stagnate energy in the body. 83 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 4: So if you've ever felt like really like stressed out. 84 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 4: You literally feel the tightness in your shoulders and you 85 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 4: can feel your stomach getting more tight, like people start 86 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 4: to constrict. It's that feeling like when you when you 87 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 4: don't want something and you're resisting, like the moment or 88 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 4: whatever's happening, you resist and you feel like more constricted. 89 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 4: So those are the things that can stagnate the energy 90 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 4: in the body. I hope I'm answering the question what 91 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 4: was the original one was really like about the energy moving, Like, yeah, just. 92 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: With energy moving, well, you just touched on something that 93 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: maybe will help also kind of respark that. But you know, 94 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: I hear always the body keeps the score. So like 95 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: when ochins get stuck, like you're able to then put 96 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: something a needle into the body into certain points that 97 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: can help release that. 98 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 4: Yes, So here's so I'll explain to you kind of 99 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 4: like as a back so you can get understanding, understanding 100 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 4: or like a good visual of how it works. Because 101 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 4: the acupuncture points, there's like really three main ways that 102 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 4: we can use them, or specific types of points. So 103 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 4: some points, the most common one that we hear about 104 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 4: are the ones that belong to channels. So channels are 105 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 4: basically like highways in our body, like these little vessels 106 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 4: that carry energy, like our blood vessels carry blood, and 107 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 4: so that there's like these vessels that carry I want 108 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 4: to say energy, but it's more than energy. It's life force, vitality. 109 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 4: It's basically an intelligent energy and it also carries oxygen 110 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 4: and so those things, those channels have points, and many 111 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 4: of those channels belong to organs as well. Okay, so 112 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 4: those are one category of points. Another category of points 113 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 4: are individual points that stand alone that do not belong 114 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 4: to any channel. And then the third one, the more 115 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 4: common ones are the ones that are in the ear, 116 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 4: so they're auricular. The ear carries basically a reflection of 117 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 4: your whole body. So once you can memorize that, most 118 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 4: people don't memorize all of them. They'll just memorize the 119 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 4: ones that they usually use for like for me personally, 120 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 4: because I do a lot of women's health, I know 121 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 4: exactly where the uterus one is, the ovaries, but to 122 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 4: memorize the whole year is a lot. Yeah, because it's 123 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 4: basically you have a point for like everything everything you 124 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 4: can imagine, like that's in your body. So the ones 125 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 4: that belong to the meridians are basically connected. You know, 126 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 4: the meridian itself that goes through deep into the body 127 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 4: through the organs also comes up for air. I always 128 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 4: call it like kind of comes up for air, goes 129 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 4: to the surface of the skin and certain points, which 130 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 4: means that we it's like an exit, you know, from 131 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 4: a highway. So you go deep in and then you 132 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 4: can go out every so often to get out or 133 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 4: to get in. So that's pretty much where we have 134 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 4: an opportunity to stimulate those channels that go deep within 135 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 4: the body. And then each point has its own therapeutic effect. 136 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 4: And then sometimes we'll pick a number of points that 137 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 4: they work like a symphony. Almost some of them are 138 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 4: even paired where they can create a response in the 139 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 4: body to heal certain ailments, whether it's digestive and it 140 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 4: could be like you were talking about anxiety or sleep 141 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 4: and emotions. A lot of the earpoints can do that 142 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 4: as well. So it's pretty fascinating. It's like this network 143 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 4: basically in our bodies that really runs the vitality. 144 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you why acupuncture is so healing, 145 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: but what I'm hearing you say is basically you're facilitating 146 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: the release of something so that our bodies can just 147 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: function the way that they're supposed. 148 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 4: To correct perfect, you get right on it. Yes, yes, see, 149 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 4: it's interesting that you're saying that you really understand that. 150 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 4: And that's the thing with it is it's intuitive, Like 151 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 4: it makes sense. We all know that our bodies heal themselves. 152 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 4: I mean, we know that when we get sick, we sleep, 153 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 4: and then when we're sleeping, we're able to kind of 154 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 4: let our bodies do what it needs to do. I mean, 155 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 4: when we get cut, our bodies will create its own 156 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 4: band aid in a scab. It's incredibly intelligent and knows 157 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 4: exactly what it needs to do. 158 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: So why do you think I mean, I'd always say this. 159 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't want to knock on Western medicine 160 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 2: because I actually think both. I think it's amazing we 161 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: have so much of the stuff that we have in 162 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 2: Western medicine, and so much of the technology and all 163 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: of the things that we can do and create and whatever. Like, 164 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to knock on that. And I think 165 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: they miss a little bit in Western medicine because they're 166 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: not looking at the root, which, like you said at 167 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: the beginning of the podcast, it's not just the symptom, 168 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: always like there's something behind it, why is it happening? 169 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: And things like that. So when would you say to 170 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 2: a person, hey, this is a good place to use acupuncture, 171 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: and then this is a place like you need to 172 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: go see a Western medicine doctor that needs to put 173 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: you on an antibiotic and things like that, Like how 174 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: do we decipher what is what and when our bodies 175 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 2: can heal themselves. 176 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 4: That's actually a really brilliant question and it really is 177 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 4: a legitimate question that a lot of people have. With 178 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 4: my patient. I often see people struggling with fertility or 179 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 4: or any kind of women's health or menstruation, and oftentimes 180 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 4: I say, do both, you know, talk to both, because 181 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 4: I'm sure that through the different perspectives you're going to 182 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 4: get information. In my case, for years, I was struggling 183 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 4: with irregular periods and I would miss like two three 184 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 4: I would have two three month cycles, and my only 185 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 4: solution from Western medicine was get on the birth control fill. 186 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 4: And even when I was younger and I didn't know 187 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 4: anything about what I know now, that didn't seem like 188 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 4: an answer to me. I was like, that doesn't make sense, 189 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 4: Like what do I do to fix this? I don't 190 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 4: get it, Like I know that that's not really fixing it, 191 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 4: though like it might give it might make me feel 192 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 4: like it's fixing, but it's not. So I think that 193 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 4: we go with our own intuition because in some cases, yes, 194 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 4: you need absolutely, like antibiotics if you haven't any major 195 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 4: infections and certain ones even in the pelvic area, you know, 196 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 4: certain infections in the uterus, you need the antibiotics. And 197 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 4: then I would work with them at the same time 198 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 4: to give them probiotics to take at the same time 199 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 4: so that they're protecting their gut. And so I think 200 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 4: that it's good to have a combination or a team 201 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 4: if you can, because that would be the ideal. 202 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, so using both Okay, I totally subscribe to that too, 203 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: And that's typically what I'm saying when we're talking about 204 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: these Eastern medicine things. But always it's just like what 205 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 2: you just said when you're talking about the period thing, like, well, 206 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: why am I having an a regular period? Like our 207 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: bodies are supposed to function. They're just supposed to function. 208 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 2: So if there's something that's not functioning, there's a reason, 209 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: like something is blocked or like you said. 210 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 4: Yes, and when you do go to the doctor and 211 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 4: the doctor tells you will you know and you can 212 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 4: you can feel it. We're intuitive beings. We can pick 213 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 4: up if you're not really getting an answer because you 214 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 4: don't feel full with it. You're like, well, that doesn't 215 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 4: really feel like we're resolving my If you're feeling that, 216 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 4: then that's when you start to go and maybe simultaneously 217 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 4: talk to other people and getting different perspectives and opinions 218 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 4: and a nutritionist, you know, acupuncturists, natural pathic doctor like 219 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 4: all of them I think would be you know, just 220 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 4: even like a first time consultation just to get a feel. 221 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 4: And I really subscribe to that, like you really need 222 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 4: to listen to your body because your body also lets 223 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 4: you know if something feels in line. 224 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 3: It's so true, It's so true. 225 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about the different reasons you 226 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: would use acupuncture. So maybe some people listening we just 227 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 2: talked about when you would know whether to go to 228 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: a Western medicine doctor or an Eastern medicine maybe some 229 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 2: of the places you can use acupuncture I mentioned to you. 230 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of people would think of 231 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: acupuncture as a way to reduce anxiety, but it's one 232 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: of the main things that it can do. So can 233 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: you talk about why that works with anxiety totally? 234 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 4: Because it helps come the nervousest them. Okay, that's one 235 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 4: of them. And I actually look around, I think to myself, 236 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 4: we're living at a time where everything around us really 237 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 4: throws off our nervous system. It's not healthy, like even 238 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 4: the sounds and the beeping and the honking, and it's 239 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 4: just it never worked in our bodies like it never 240 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 4: like in nature. You never have that kind of drastic 241 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 4: shift and you don't even have the dress. You know, 242 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 4: we live here in Florida and it's hot, but then 243 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 4: you go from like hot and your pores are wide open, 244 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 4: and then you go into the freezing cold air. Those 245 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 4: things are not normal. That's not a natural environment, and 246 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 4: our bodies still don't recognize that. They also don't recognize 247 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 4: artificial light and not getting enough sun. So you know, 248 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 4: all those things can throw off our nervous system. And 249 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 4: also just like the overstimulation of thoughts, like just information, 250 00:13:55,480 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 4: you're constantly being bombarded. Listen. Social media is great for 251 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 4: many things, but it could be a lot and I 252 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 4: think it's not the healthiest thing in the world. So 253 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 4: there's so many different things like that. So I think 254 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 4: that when you have acupuncture, it stimulates a lot of 255 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 4: the points constimulate the nervous system and come and regulate 256 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 4: the nervous system. And it also helps us to adapt 257 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 4: better to the stressors because most often we can't really 258 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 4: change what is and the stress stressors that are around us. 259 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 4: What we can absolutely change is really our ability to adapt. 260 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: What about gut health because with some of these I 261 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: want to ask the question too, aren't like our nervous system. 262 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 2: If our nervous system isn't functioning properly, isn't that where 263 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: a lot of our disease is going to come from? 264 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 4: Too? 265 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 2: And then I know that specifically with gut health is 266 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: a big one too. So is that kind of the 267 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: way acupuncture would work foundationally, is that it's just setting 268 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: our bodies up to function properly, so then we're not 269 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: how having like over inflammation and blocks like you've talked about. Energetically, 270 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: Is that why this works? 271 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 4: Yes to a certain extent, But it also it really 272 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 4: stimulates the body self healing response and the self regulating response, 273 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 4: so the body will naturally get into the state of 274 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 4: like letting go and releasing and kind of relaxing, and 275 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 4: that'll help you sleep, and then that kind of starts 276 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 4: a whole cascade of events where you're sleeping better. Then 277 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 4: that also rejuvenates you and gets your mind working better 278 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 4: when you're awake and more clear, and it cleans out 279 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 4: the hormones and resets you. And so there's so many 280 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 4: different factors and kind of like things start to fall 281 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 4: into place as a whole, because all those little pieces 282 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 4: and parts are part of this hole that your body is. 283 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 4: And as far as gut health, the nervous system absolutely 284 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 4: impacts the gut, just like the gut impacts the nervous 285 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 4: system in the mind. And they even found that meditation 286 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 4: can increase the amount of microbiome diversity in your gut. 287 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 4: So it's pretty fascinating, and yeah, it's pretty wild. So 288 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 4: we're it just proves that it's all connected, like everything's 289 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 4: part of this whole. And then also we treat the 290 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 4: spleen and stomach, which Western medicine sees the spleen is 291 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 4: only immune system, but Chinese medicine sees it as a 292 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 4: really important part of our digestive system. But also the 293 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 4: digestive system is a very important part of our immune system, 294 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 4: so it is related and we can work on that 295 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 4: through blood flow. I mean so many different things. Also, 296 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 4: a lot of the herbals work on the sleen and stomach, 297 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 4: which in Chinese medicine really translates as the gut, you know, 298 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 4: for how we see it in the West. 299 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 3: Okay, what about addiction. 300 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 4: Yes, there's something called the n A protocol. It's an ada. 301 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 4: We use it on the ear. Oftentimes you'll find any 302 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 4: kind of addiction, even food addiction. We a lot of 303 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 4: times address it through a regular therapy. And so the 304 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 4: not A Protocol, interestingly enough, has been shown to be 305 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 4: really amazing. There's been some studies on them. It's been 306 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 4: really really powerful for addiction, but also PTSD, and they 307 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 4: use it for veterans or for people that have gone 308 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 4: through war, so PTSD. It's interesting. And then you think 309 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 4: to yourself, like I've always like, what's the common thing 310 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 4: that they have between addiction and PTSD. Well, you think 311 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 4: about it. Both of them run on a loop. You 312 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 4: keep repeating the same thing. So whether it's a memory 313 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 4: that keeps coming on repeat or a behavior that keeps 314 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 4: happening and repeat. So the not a protocol. I use 315 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 4: it often really for everybody. I've used it on people 316 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 4: that have even had really bad PMS and their nervous 317 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 4: system kicks in. They get like really emotional and it's 318 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 4: just like this roller coaster of states that they're experiencing. 319 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 4: I'll use that because even though it hasn't been used 320 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 4: as that historically, it's working amazingly on the nervous system 321 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 4: and getting the body to feel more safe. So it's 322 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 4: pretty fascinating. I think it's incredible, and I've had quite 323 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 4: a few people that have had legitimate PTSD really feel 324 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 4: much better after I use that protocol. 325 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 2: That I mean, it's bringing back to what you were 326 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 2: first saying about the nervous system though, because that you're 327 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 2: right with the addiction stuff with PTSD, it's all in 328 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: a loop. But then again, isn't that connected to the 329 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 2: nervous system, because really aren't. Isn't all addiction just trying 330 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: to soothe the nervous system, like you're just trying to 331 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 2: calm down those feelings of anxiety or whatever it is? 332 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 4: Yes, it all comes down to I mean, get deep here. 333 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 4: I think it all comes down to a lack of 334 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 4: feeling love. You know, when we grow up as kids. 335 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 4: One of the first things, like when you have an 336 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 4: adult that you feel safe with hugs you. You feel 337 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 4: what I feel. You can like go back to that 338 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 4: where you're feeling calm and like soothed and at ease, 339 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 4: and it gives you like a sense of safety and peace. 340 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 4: You know. That's that feeling that we're all really searching for. 341 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 4: That's like the crux of it. 342 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 3: Connection yes, human connection, yes, and it does. 343 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 4: It really does stimulate like all of that, and I 344 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 4: think that that's ultimate health really, So. 345 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: The reason acupuncture would help with that. Sorry, I'm just 346 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: piecing this all together because I find our body's past 347 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: and oh yeah yeah yeah. So when if you were 348 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: seeing someone who was identifying as an addict, for instance, 349 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 2: and you're helping them to do that, I just picture 350 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: for some reason, when the needle goes into the body, 351 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: like because maybe this is how it's felt to me, 352 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,719 Speaker 2: is you literally feel the muscle go It's like if 353 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 2: you put a knee in a balloon or something, it 354 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: just kind of like the air like goes out of 355 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 2: it is what it feels like to me. And so 356 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: when you're doing that with someone who identified as an addict. 357 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,719 Speaker 2: Is it just that release of almost the way that 358 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 2: like a good meditation can feel where you're like and 359 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 2: you can take the deep breath, your nervous system relaxes, 360 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 2: and then maybe you don't want to reach for the 361 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 2: drink or the drug or the whatever because you're calm. 362 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, it soothes basically the nerds. It kind of creates 363 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 4: a cascade of events. So your body responds in a way, 364 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 4: you know, interestingly, just from the ear, that's what they 365 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 4: see that your body responds in a way that really 366 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 4: gets it from a fight and flight to a more 367 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 4: of a rest and digest. Sometimes you'll find that people 368 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 4: get to the point where they just want to sleep 369 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 4: and sleep and sleep. And people will come to me 370 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 4: and say, like, what the heck's going on? Like I 371 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 4: came here for energy and I'm exhausted. Yeah, I'm like, well, 372 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 4: that's because you're finally feeling what you're your body's been 373 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 4: trying to tell you and you're you know, you're adrenaline 374 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 4: isn't overpowering that that communication between your body and you. 375 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird when you come out of fight or 376 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 2: flight because you're tired, you're and then you're like, why 377 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 2: can't I get anything done that I usually am like 378 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: knocking all out of the park. And it's like, oh, 379 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 2: because I'm not running on adrenaline like you said, I'm 380 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 2: not in a flight response. 381 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 3: It's kind of crazy how that works. 382 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about menopausal symptoms, because this is something 383 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 2: that's become a big conversation between my friend Graupe. We're 384 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: all in our forties and I think we're starting to 385 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: have the perimenopause or somemer a little further along, and 386 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: the menopausal symptoms are real. It is like this being 387 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 2: a woman is tough. Man. It's like we go from 388 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 2: having periods to fertility stuff to then jumping into menopause 389 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 2: and it's just like it's a lot to navigate. So 390 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: how can acupuncture help with menopausal symptoms? 391 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 4: So interesting that I was actually just gonna talk about 392 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 4: the un the young because that really seems a lot. 393 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 4: People might have heard of the yin and the Young, 394 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,719 Speaker 4: they might have seen the symbol. So basically, the yin 395 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 4: and the young are really two opposing forces that we see. 396 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 4: It's like night and day. Everything that you see, like 397 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 4: when it gets dark or it gets light, the heat, 398 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 4: the cold, moisture, dryness, you know, all these two opposites 399 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 4: that you can't have too much of one. You need both, 400 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 4: so you also have the yin is more feminine, it's 401 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 4: more cooling, it's more dark, and then it's also more 402 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 4: inert energy versus the young, which is more heating, more movement, 403 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 4: more activity, and it's more male. And typically women will 404 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 4: have a little more yin. Yin is more cooling, more moisture. 405 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,719 Speaker 4: You know, you think about like kind of slower moving. 406 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 4: You think about the egg. It's not moving as much, 407 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 4: but it's basically contained. And then the sperm is like young. 408 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 4: It moves, it has like energy yea, and men have 409 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 4: they tend to be a little more hot. You'll see 410 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 4: it will always lower the ac and the women fight 411 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 4: over it, like no, no, it's too cold, and they're 412 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 4: always bundled up. And that's usually because women have more 413 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 4: yin and men have more young energy. As they get older, 414 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 4: you will start to see that flip and why because 415 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 4: the yin aspect of women starts to go down, and 416 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 4: that's the yin and the young are also held with 417 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 4: the kidney's kidney energy is very much on top of 418 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 4: like a you know, it holds the essence of reproductive health. 419 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 4: So what happens is women's kidney yin gets deficient. Right, 420 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 4: what happens when the cooling aspect of anything goes down, 421 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 4: you start to feel more heat because the cool can't 422 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 4: contain the heat. So women will start to have hot 423 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 4: flashes and things will start to come out. So what 424 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 4: we do is we, oftentimes in conjunction with the acupuncture, 425 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 4: which really supports just the overall energy, we also work 426 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 4: on herbs. So we can work on herbs. Actually had 427 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 4: my best friend's mom came to me early on when 428 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 4: I first started, and she was having major night sweats 429 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 4: and this was postmenopause, and her doctor said, well, if 430 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 4: you keep having these night sweats, you're going to just 431 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 4: live with them forever. And so she came to me. 432 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 4: I put her on these herbs. I'm like, no, you know, 433 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 4: just take these herbs because you have like severe indeficiency. 434 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 4: So usually I'll give something that's a little more mild, 435 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 4: but then if that doesn't work, you just keep going 436 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 4: up because you don't want to cool them too much. 437 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 4: So I gave her one that was a little stronger, 438 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 4: and it like literally disappeared. Eventually she got off the 439 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 4: pills the herbals and it continued not coming back. 440 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 3: So her body just had healed. 441 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 4: It just it worked itself out. So it's that imbalance 442 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 4: of like things shifting. It's that and you're like, you're 443 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 4: almost like on a seesaw. So we're trying to work 444 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 4: it out. Sometimes we'll even give herbs that have both 445 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 4: the yin and the young because you don't want to 446 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 4: deplete too much or put too much on the yin, 447 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 4: and then it kind of goes back and forth. So 448 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 4: we try to make it like as even as possible, 449 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 4: and then you just tweak it as you see the 450 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 4: symptoms show, and then eventually it starts to even out. 451 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 4: So it should actually be an easy transition. Okay, it should, 452 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 4: It should, and it could and it could. So I 453 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 4: want to say that acupuncture works really well for that. 454 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 3: Okay, well, I'm gonna tell all my friends. 455 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: We mentioned at the beginning of the podcast that's you 456 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 2: are author also an author. Now the book is called 457 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 2: The Way of Fertility, Awaken Your Reproduction Potential through the 458 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 2: Power of Ancient Wisdom. So we've talked a little bit 459 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 2: about menopause, but I want to go back and talk 460 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 2: about reproductive health because I was researching on your website 461 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 2: and it just talks so much about what we've been 462 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 2: saying where our bodies are supposed to function. So if 463 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 2: you're having infertility issues, obviously, again this is another place 464 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 2: that Western medicine has gone. You know, can do so 465 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 2: many things now, it's amazing what we can do in 466 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: the fertility world. I did myself have some fertility issues 467 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 2: and acupuncture was one of the things that was recommended 468 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 2: to me as well, which I didn't really fully do, 469 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 2: and I regret that now because I do really think 470 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: that it can help. So can you talk a little 471 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 2: bit about how it works in reproductive health? 472 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 4: And then also the book, Yes, so acupuncture works amazingly 473 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 4: for reproductive health. And again, it really just comes down 474 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 4: to this simple truth is that when your body feels good, 475 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 4: when your body has enough vitality in itself and overall health, 476 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 4: then it's able to sprout. And that's just it's just 477 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 4: like the nature. You know, if if you give the 478 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 4: nutrients to you know, to the oil, then you're able 479 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 4: to flourish, and it's just easier for plans to grow. 480 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 4: And so it's just the same with the body. And 481 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 4: it really does come down to that simplicity. I know 482 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 4: it sounds almost too simplistic, Yeah, but that is really 483 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 4: what it is. I mean, it's like it's supposed to 484 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 4: go that way, wants to go that way. The thing 485 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 4: is the way we're living. It really comes down to it, 486 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 4: and a lot of it is it's not even anybody's fault. 487 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 4: It's like the environment that they're in, the endocrine destructors, like, 488 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 4: it's things that they can't even like. It's very hard, 489 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 4: it's an uphill battle, and sometimes it's very difficult because 490 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 4: you don't want to overwhelm people. But the good news 491 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 4: is that there are things that people can do. And 492 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 4: once you organize and start having more clean products and 493 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 4: trying to really like counteract the assaults that we're getting 494 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 4: without even asking for them, you know, then it gets easier. 495 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 4: I mean they even found, you know, with certain oats 496 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 4: and cereals that they had a pesticide in them that 497 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 4: is known to cause for infertility. It's crazy. 498 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 2: I'm so glad that you're touching on that. It's not 499 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 2: anyone's fault, but it is something that I'm glad that 500 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 2: we're also starting to talk about just all the different 501 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,239 Speaker 2: factors of the world that we live in. 502 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 3: Because you've said it perfectly. 503 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 2: It's like we really aren't set up to succeed in 504 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 2: the way that our bodies are supposed to function. We 505 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 2: have so much stress, we are expected to perform at 506 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 2: such a high level for so long, for so many days, 507 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 2: for so many hours. No one can fully exist that 508 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 2: way without doing these things that are harmful to our bodies. 509 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 2: And that's not even mentioning all the stuff that's in 510 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 2: our food that's not talked about, that's FDA regulated and 511 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 2: all of that kind of stuff. 512 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 513 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, the water. 514 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 2: I mean, you could go on and on and on, 515 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 2: and it is overwhelming, even like the products that we're 516 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 2: putting on our skin. And so I love that you 517 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 2: set it in the way of just it's like one 518 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 2: thing at a time, kind of navigating these different areas 519 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 2: that we can maybe remove some of the toxin their 520 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 2: toxic situations, but also like just learning how to help 521 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 2: our bodies out along the way in a small subtle ways. Yes, 522 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 2: acupuncture being one of them. 523 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 4: Yes, And in the book actually believe it or not, 524 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 4: I don't talk about nutrition because there's any of books 525 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 4: on that there's any of books that only talk about that. 526 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 4: Plus one of the things that I found, even with supplements, 527 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 4: like you say that one supplement's good, and then all 528 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 4: of a sudden, a couple of years later, something gets 529 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 4: like I don't know, debunked or changing. So I'm like, 530 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 4: I'm not going to keep changing this book every time. 531 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 4: But what I'm going to go to is something that 532 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 4: has been consistent through and through and that is ancient wisdom, 533 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 4: and that is at the heart of ancient medicine. So 534 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 4: a lot of ancient medicine it's based on, like this 535 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 4: Yin and Young idea and how balance and harmony is 536 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 4: really ultimately at the heart of vit like the best 537 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 4: potential of health and how that works. What are the 538 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 4: things to pay attention to. And another thing is that 539 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 4: you look at like a lot of ancient wisdom and 540 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 4: they'll always tell you the same thing. They always direct 541 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 4: you to go inside within. And we are living in 542 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 4: a time where we were constantly being distracted by the noise. 543 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 4: And I very much am a big fan of Jodaspenza. 544 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 4: I follow I go to his retreats. He does some 545 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 4: in Nashville too. Yeah, and you went to I. 546 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 3: Did so, but okay, recently, like last. 547 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 4: Year, incredible and so and so he does a lot 548 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 4: of research and there's a lot of science actually, and 549 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 4: I do kind of put in some research in the 550 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 4: book as well that reflects a lot of what has 551 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 4: been told for thousands of years been taught, and some 552 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 4: of his research shows that the mind, just through meditation 553 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 4: and certain types of practices, you can completely alter your. 554 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 3: Body one hundred percent believe that. 555 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, So that to me, if you can nail that, 556 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 4: which is like it's like a harder and more sophisticated 557 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 4: thing to nail. However, if you can nail that, we 558 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 4: can bypass all these other all the crap that we're 559 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 4: exposed to. 560 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so fascinating though, because as you were saying 561 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 2: the balance and harmony piece, it just dawned on me. 562 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, isn't that the thing for everything. 563 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 3: In our life? Though? 564 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 2: Like, that's what you would want in your relationships, right, 565 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 2: the balance of that energy that yin and that young 566 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: that I mean, that's what you would want in your 567 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 2: work life. It's what you I mean, it's literally what 568 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 2: we would want in everything. So if you really just 569 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 2: take anything from this podcast and you just take that 570 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 2: one principle. It's kind of it can be applied to 571 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 2: your mental health, your physical health, your relationships, basically just 572 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 2: everything in life. 573 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 4: One hundred percent. And that's what they say, like the 574 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 4: yin and yan could be found in everything. It can 575 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 4: even be found in your mental cycle. Like the first part, 576 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 4: the follicular phase, which is from the time you get 577 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 4: your period until you get to ovulation. Your temperature is lower, 578 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 4: it's more yin, there's more cervical mucus. It's incredible. And 579 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 4: then once you get through that ovulation, it shifts. It 580 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 4: changes to young energy, and that's more progesterone, which is 581 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 4: a young hormone, and the temperature will increase and stay high. 582 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 4: And during that time, interestingly enough, you know you have 583 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 4: your corpus luteum. It has a yellow body, which is 584 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 4: like a warmer color and it's wild. But you could 585 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 4: see that superimposed onto everything in life. And so where 586 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 4: there's yin and yang harmony, there is always going to 587 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 4: be vitality, whether it's relationships, mind, sleep, anything. 588 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 589 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: Can you You've talked a little bit about the life 590 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 2: force energy, and that has been mentioned on this podcast 591 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 2: by so many different facilitators specifically. We just had someone 592 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 2: on I guess this is a month ago talking just 593 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 2: about sexual life force energy, and we were saying that 594 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 2: with women really specifically, like that is everything our energy, 595 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 2: our life force energy drives everything that we do. What 596 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 2: is life force energy though. 597 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 4: It's basically what gives life to you. It's it's like 598 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 4: what you can see in a person's eyes, or you know, 599 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 4: you can see it in young people's eyes, like this 600 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 4: really like strong force and you can see it in 601 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 4: their eyes. Some people look more alive. It's what brings life, 602 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 4: It animates, you know, it's that. It's that and you 603 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 4: could see it. You could see when you're tired, you're 604 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 4: almost depleted of that at certain times, or if somebody 605 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 4: gets sick, you know they're depleted of that. It's that life. 606 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 4: It's it's what animates and brings life and breeds life. 607 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 4: It's like this prana. You know, they call it kana 608 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 4: an iravating medicine, or like the Vedas we call it chi. 609 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 4: But it's basically that thing that you can increase also 610 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 4: with exercise, and after exercising, you come out, you feel 611 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 4: like you're glowing. You just feel more alive. And it 612 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 4: also increases when you're meeting somebody for the first time, 613 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 4: you're super present, where if you're really really present after meditation, 614 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 4: it just it's it's like lasered and it can be cultivated. 615 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, but energy is so tied to that because I 616 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 2: did I did a raiki session the other day and 617 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 2: I walked in very depleted, and I looked at my 618 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 2: face before I laid on the table, and it just 619 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 2: like was that droopy face almost, I guess, is how 620 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 2: I would describe it. And then after my session, I 621 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 2: stood up and I looked in the mirror and I 622 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 2: was it was almost like everything had tilted the other way, 623 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 2: Like my smile, my eyes were more bright, my whole 624 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 2: entire face looked different. It just looked more lifted and elevated. 625 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 2: And that's just again where I would say, our energy, 626 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 2: our chie our life force, all of the things that 627 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 2: you've mentioned to be flowing is so important to every 628 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 2: aspect of our health. 629 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, And like the life force, vitality, it has energy, 630 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 4: but it has intelligen as well. So even our awareness 631 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 4: when we put our awareness towards something or body. Have 632 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,919 Speaker 4: you ever had like sometimes like areas at least I've 633 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,720 Speaker 4: tried this during meditation. If I had a lot of tension, 634 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 4: I would focus on that area and I would just 635 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 4: watch it. And I found that just my watching it 636 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 4: had was feeding it energy. And that's where you know, 637 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 4: where we put our energy is where we like bring life. 638 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 4: So when we put energy towards something we don't want, 639 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 4: we kind of make it, we animate it, we make 640 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 4: it come to life. And the same thing so even 641 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 4: our focus and attention, actually that is a very strong energy. 642 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,240 Speaker 4: And I think that that's why it's a multi billion 643 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 4: dollar industry to try to get our attention to certain 644 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 4: things through media. There's a reason for that. It's because 645 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,280 Speaker 4: our energy feeds and it creates life. 646 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 2: I didn't even think about that that way, what you're 647 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 2: talking about with the meditation that has happened to me. 648 00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 2: I was taught this was really long breathworks and if 649 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 2: you got an itch or something, she would say, do 650 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 2: not touch it, like think about it, really talk to it, 651 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 2: but use your mind to get the itch to go away. 652 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 3: And it works. 653 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 2: And I know you guys might be listening like this 654 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 2: but is crazy right now, But it can work. And 655 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 2: the interesting thing goes back to what you were saying 656 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 2: about needing love and as humans like, that's such a 657 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 2: thing that I think we miss in our culture because 658 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 2: we're moving so fast. But if you're paying attention to 659 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 2: a part of your body that is hurting, it's just 660 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 2: it's being noticed then, And a lot of times I 661 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 2: feel like my body just wants me to pay attention 662 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 2: to it. 663 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:36,879 Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? 664 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely do. It's alive, it's conscious, yeah, every. 665 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 3: T Why don't we talk about that? No? I mean 666 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 3: it's crazy. 667 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 2: I know, we know technically we're alive, but I actually 668 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 2: have started talking to my body and it's amazing the 669 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 2: changes I'm seeing and just my well being in general 670 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 2: throughout the day from doing that. 671 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 4: Oh, it's an asset. I mean, that is just it's 672 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,359 Speaker 4: an nobility that we have that most people don't use 673 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 4: because they don't acknowledge it's real. 674 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. 675 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 2: I could go on about this stuff all day. Obviously 676 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 2: if we can't tell. But again, the book is called 677 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,399 Speaker 2: The Way of Fertility. I will put that a link 678 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 2: to that book in the description of this podcast. But Michelle, 679 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 2: if people want to stay in touch with you or 680 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 2: find more information about what you do, where would they 681 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 2: find you, oh. 682 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 4: Thank you. So they could basically go to Michelle orbits 683 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 4: dot com. It's the easiest way to find me, and 684 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 4: there you can find my instagram which is at the 685 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 4: Wholesome Lotus Fertility, or my podcast. I do a fertility podcast, 686 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 4: just the book anything. 687 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 2: It's all there, all on the website, so I'll put 688 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 2: that in a description of this podcast as well. Thank 689 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 2: you so much for being here. You guys, go try acupuncture. 690 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 2: Let me know if you try it. I want to 691 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 2: know what y'all think. I'm a big fan. Thanks Michelle, Kelly, 692 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 2: thank you so much for having me. 693 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 4: It was such a pleasure talking to you. 694 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Velvet's Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson, 695 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: where we believe everyone has a little velvet and a 696 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: little edge. Subscribe for more conversations on life, style, beauty 697 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: and relationships. Search Velvet's Edge wherever you get your podcasts.