1
00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,600
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of the Odd Couple podcasts.

2
00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,200
Speaker 1: Be sure to check us out live every weekday from

3
00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,440
Speaker 1: four to seven pm Pacific seven to ten pm Eastern

4
00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,440
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for The

5
00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,520
Speaker 1: Odd Couple on Fox Sports Radio dot Com, or stream

6
00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,639
Speaker 1: us every day on the iHeartRadio by searching FSR.

7
00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,120
Speaker 2: You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.

8
00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:31,920
Speaker 3: It's a defining moment in Lebron James's legacy because the

9
00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,040
Speaker 3: things that robg talked about. When you really think about

10
00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:47,000
Speaker 3: Lebron's legacy, it failed. Player empowerment failed. Lebron might he

11
00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,160
Speaker 3: won his couple of championships, but it didn't really work out.

12
00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,120
Speaker 3: It didn't carry over. Other people tried, a couple teams

13
00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:53,559
Speaker 3: tried it.

14
00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:54,400
Speaker 4: Guess what.

15
00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,000
Speaker 5: It also hurt Lebron.

16
00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,360
Speaker 3: It came back to bite him what he was able

17
00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,319
Speaker 3: to do with Miami and how his career and his

18
00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,240
Speaker 3: ring total could be totally different, right had he not

19
00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:11,200
Speaker 3: set this up.

20
00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,600
Speaker 5: When I think of Lebron, I think that what he

21
00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:16,839
Speaker 5: did in Miami.

22
00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,840
Speaker 3: Was MySpace and then Golden States said, you know we

23
00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,800
Speaker 3: got something for you. We're gonna do Facebook, and they

24
00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,520
Speaker 3: went and got Kevin Durant, and they won those two

25
00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,759
Speaker 3: championships against Lebron. Those are two more ls that hung

26
00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,200
Speaker 3: on Lebron. So they did it even better then Lebron

27
00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,480
Speaker 3: did it. And when I think of like legacy I

28
00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,200
Speaker 3: talk about all the time you could talk about pop

29
00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,200
Speaker 3: Greg Popovich's five championships, I think of low management. When

30
00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,560
Speaker 3: I think of Lebron James, I think of player empowerment

31
00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,040
Speaker 3: that didn't work ultimately, and now all of these restrictive

32
00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:57,720
Speaker 3: CBA things that they've employed put in all to stop that,

33
00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,160
Speaker 3: to all stop players from move here's a double apron.

34
00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:02,800
Speaker 4: You can't do it.

35
00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,280
Speaker 3: It's gonna cost you money, Like the players allowed the

36
00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,680
Speaker 3: owners to put in these really stuffed stiff penalties to

37
00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,120
Speaker 3: stop all of this.

38
00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,160
Speaker 5: So what he thought he was doing, which was.

39
00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:22,520
Speaker 3: Given players a liberation and a freedom to decide what

40
00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,320
Speaker 3: their careers are gonna do, actually backfired, cost him some

41
00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:33,919
Speaker 3: championships and also put stricter restrictions on players and their movement.

42
00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,360
Speaker 3: People have abandoned this whole idea of super teams. It

43
00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,239
Speaker 3: is not a lasting legacy for Lebron James.

44
00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,760
Speaker 1: All right, Lebron did not complete the super team for

45
00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,919
Speaker 1: anybody other than the fact that it was for himself

46
00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,360
Speaker 1: because Lebron knew he was about to be judged on

47
00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,720
Speaker 1: a completely different criteria, and so he realized. And this

48
00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,720
Speaker 1: is one of the questions I've had for fans, rob

49
00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,640
Speaker 1: and I really mean it. Why don't fans get mad

50
00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,360
Speaker 1: at the right people. Fans don't get mad at James

51
00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,960
Speaker 1: Dolans don't get mad at Jerry Jones. Fans don't get

52
00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,079
Speaker 1: mad at Dan Gilbert, because you know what Dan Gilbert did.

53
00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,200
Speaker 1: He did nothing for Lebron. When Lebron was there. He left,

54
00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,679
Speaker 1: I swear we'll win a championship before Lebron ever wins one.

55
00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:11,720
Speaker 4: Well, that wasn't kit.

56
00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,240
Speaker 1: Lebron won the next year and and you know, two

57
00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,760
Speaker 1: years later, and so to me, it's just it's comical.

58
00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,200
Speaker 1: And then Dan Gilbert only won because Lebron came back

59
00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,519
Speaker 1: and won, and he why did.

60
00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,800
Speaker 3: He want tod Lebron go by? And if Dan Gilbert

61
00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,480
Speaker 3: was such a bad guy and didn't know what he

62
00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,600
Speaker 3: was doing? One did Len glad you asked ye?

63
00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,440
Speaker 1: Because Lebron went off and won and became the biggest

64
00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,880
Speaker 1: thing in the NBA. Why to tell you? Because whereas

65
00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,360
Speaker 1: a home makes sense, to that. It absolutely does because

66
00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:44,000
Speaker 1: Lebron wanted to win and for who this once claim

67
00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,720
Speaker 1: that this is for you. He wanted to win one

68
00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,560
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, and guess what he did. He won in Cleveland.

69
00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,000
Speaker 1: And so to me, the player empowerment only moves if

70
00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,200
Speaker 1: you're that great. People been moving for the last and

71
00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,160
Speaker 1: fifteen years and didn't do nothing with it. Lebron goes

72
00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,640
Speaker 1: to Miami and wins, a couple loses the up as well.

73
00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,600
Speaker 1: Then he goes back to the couple as well he did,

74
00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,600
Speaker 1: and he goes back to Cleveland and wins again. And

75
00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,240
Speaker 1: so my point is he's won four championships in twenty

76
00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,200
Speaker 1: four years. So my point is, how long is a

77
00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,080
Speaker 1: person supposed to stay in the organization that drafted them

78
00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,240
Speaker 1: if they've done nothing. The Cavaliers did nothing before him,

79
00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,560
Speaker 1: They didn't do right and get guys with him. This

80
00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,160
Speaker 1: is a real thing. He didn't do anything. They didn't

81
00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,960
Speaker 1: do anything for him. Booby Gibson was a starting point guard.

82
00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,600
Speaker 1: They had Drew God was doing those years? You want

83
00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:29,000
Speaker 1: to go over there.

84
00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,159
Speaker 3: Win total during the Lebron Cleveland years, were they the

85
00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:33,039
Speaker 3: number one seed?

86
00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,680
Speaker 5: Did they win sixty games every year?

87
00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:36,080
Speaker 4: But they didn't have it.

88
00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,880
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, you're put in the playoffs, they didn't have anything.

89
00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,919
Speaker 4: I just said that Lebron how they win, but they

90
00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,479
Speaker 4: couldn't win with But he couldn't win in the.

91
00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,760
Speaker 1: Playoffs because I'm saying the team he beat the Piston

92
00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:51,360
Speaker 1: by itself.

93
00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,040
Speaker 4: I'm glad you Okay, So what happened?

94
00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,320
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan didn't do anything either until Pippen became Pippen,

95
00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,919
Speaker 1: until he got Phil Jackson. He just put up a

96
00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,640
Speaker 1: bunch of points. And that's a fact. He was getting

97
00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,159
Speaker 1: swept in first round. He wasn't getting out the second round.

98
00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,520
Speaker 1: And that's okay because no one does it alone. Rob Magic.

99
00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:14,960
Speaker 1: Johnson walked into Jamal Wilkes, Norm Nixon, Kareem Abdull before that.

100
00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,480
Speaker 3: But he go, look at the Lakers before them. How

101
00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,640
Speaker 3: many championships did they win before you got my point?

102
00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,359
Speaker 3: He vitalized that friend.

103
00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,520
Speaker 1: That's my point. But I have to do it with Kareem,

104
00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,320
Speaker 1: who was the best player when they were there. Kareem

105
00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,520
Speaker 1: in the first half years. Magic will tell you that

106
00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,880
Speaker 1: and then it's Kareem and in Magic. So I'm not

107
00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,239
Speaker 1: knocking you need people, is my point.

108
00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,160
Speaker 5: I'm talking about his legacy.

109
00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,680
Speaker 3: It ain't. Nobody thinks of him as the all time

110
00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,960
Speaker 3: greatest scorer like Kareem was forever. That's not what you

111
00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,840
Speaker 3: think about when you think about Lebron. You think about

112
00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,520
Speaker 3: he ushered in the legacy of trying to stack his

113
00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,880
Speaker 3: team to win, and that's.

114
00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:51,280
Speaker 4: What he wanted to do.

115
00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:58,080
Speaker 1: Next, I don't get he went ten times, so it

116
00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,799
Speaker 1: didn't work. So it didn't work. You're missing the genesis lost.

117
00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,680
Speaker 1: The reason why this happened was because the Cavs were

118
00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,600
Speaker 1: doing nothing, and he realized you all are only going

119
00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,520
Speaker 1: to judge me on winning championships.

120
00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:10,039
Speaker 4: Period.

121
00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,919
Speaker 1: I'm the same player talent wise, I'm good, I'm winning MVPs.

122
00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,920
Speaker 1: I've got to drag the team to the finals in

123
00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,960
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. You're only going to judge me

124
00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,040
Speaker 1: on winning championships. The team is doing nothing for seven years,

125
00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:22,279
Speaker 1: six seven, eight years old.

126
00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,880
Speaker 5: You know what to sit here and say they did nothing.

127
00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,240
Speaker 3: They got him everybody he wanted, even even Shaq won

128
00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,160
Speaker 3: Cavalier no.

129
00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:34,240
Speaker 4: Howlready get there?

130
00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,360
Speaker 3: How did he get there? How did he get there?

131
00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,880
Speaker 3: He was why was he on that team? He was

132
00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,280
Speaker 3: shack for asking you how Lebron didn't want him brought Shack.

133
00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,360
Speaker 3: You're argument asking the worst argument you've ever seen. Answered

134
00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,039
Speaker 3: the forty year old Shack, who like the get there.

135
00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,480
Speaker 3: Lebron didn't want him, but he got there. Why are

136
00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,400
Speaker 3: you bringing up how did Shaq get to Cleveland? They

137
00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,159
Speaker 3: because I'll tell him I'm asking.

138
00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:00,440
Speaker 4: Let me answer the question.

139
00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,919
Speaker 1: Answer it easily. They always a dollar late and a

140
00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:04,960
Speaker 1: dollar a day later.

141
00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,720
Speaker 4: Olbron, who's looking at decisions Cleveland?

142
00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,960
Speaker 1: Come on, they're always a day Lebron wants a only

143
00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,559
Speaker 1: want a forty year olds. He don't want a thirty

144
00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,840
Speaker 1: four year old Shack still balling. He wants a forty

145
00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:16,920
Speaker 1: year old he wants.

146
00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,240
Speaker 3: To have Lebron said, as Lebron said, I don't want Shaq.

147
00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,680
Speaker 1: The Cavaliers wouldn't have done it. The cavalier wouldn't have

148
00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,280
Speaker 1: die it. The Miami heat got still something in the tank, Shack.

149
00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,600
Speaker 1: Lebron got every Shack talks about how washed up he was.

150
00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,280
Speaker 1: Ben Wallace wasn't the same. They did nothing. He leaves

151
00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:35,320
Speaker 1: and wins.

152
00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,160
Speaker 3: Doing nothing means you didn't bring in anybody. That's what

153
00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,080
Speaker 3: doing nothing is. Nameing somebody. I'll wait doing nothing, I said,

154
00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,760
Speaker 3: they did nothing. Doing nothing means you don't bring anybody.

155
00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:45,200
Speaker 4: No, no, no.

156
00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,440
Speaker 1: It might not have worked out, but you can't say

157
00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,560
Speaker 1: they didn't do anything if you're telling me, if your

158
00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,400
Speaker 1: beast thread, they brought in a four Ben Wallace won

159
00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:53,800
Speaker 1: four defensive plan.

160
00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:54,440
Speaker 4: Whe you're over.

161
00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,240
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is they didn't bring in anybody

162
00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,480
Speaker 1: the right time. So he went and got it himself

163
00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,640
Speaker 1: into the tune of the Cavaliers doing nothing before during

164
00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,360
Speaker 1: while he was there. The first run, he comes back

165
00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,560
Speaker 1: and wins. So all I'm saying is he had to

166
00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,520
Speaker 1: go create what he was never going to get there

167
00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:10,120
Speaker 1: in Cleveland.

168
00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,680
Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple

169
00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,600
Speaker 2: with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm

170
00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,200
Speaker 2: Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the

171
00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:21,360
Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app.

172
00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:23,280
Speaker 4: Hey what's up everybody?

173
00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,880
Speaker 6: It's me three time pro bowler LeVar Arrington, and I

174
00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,600
Speaker 6: couldn't be more excited to announce a podcast called Up

175
00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:30,160
Speaker 6: on Game?

176
00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:31,480
Speaker 4: What is up on Game?

177
00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,120
Speaker 6: You asked, along with my fellow pro bowler TJ. Hutschman,

178
00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,719
Speaker 6: Zada and Super Bowl champion Yup. That's right, Plexico Burris.

179
00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,040
Speaker 6: You can only name a show with that type of

180
00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,760
Speaker 6: talent on it Up on Game. We're going to be

181
00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:49,720
Speaker 6: sharing our real life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen

182
00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,760
Speaker 6: to Up on Game with me LeVar Arrington, TJ. Hutchman, Zada,

183
00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:58,680
Speaker 6: and Plexico Burds on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or

184
00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,840
Speaker 6: wherever you get your podcast from.

185
00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,320
Speaker 7: Thursday night. It is the hottest ticket in town. And

186
00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,040
Speaker 7: that's saying something seeing there's a lot of things to

187
00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,360
Speaker 7: do in Las Vegas. That is because it is the

188
00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,240
Speaker 7: Summer League debut of Cooper Flag. He'll be taking on

189
00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,480
Speaker 7: Brownie James and the Lakers. Check this out, guys. We're

190
00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,880
Speaker 7: still about forty eight hours away, so these numbers are

191
00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:26,079
Speaker 7: only going to go up. According to Tickpic, the average

192
00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:30,280
Speaker 7: ticket price for that game is two hundred and one dollars.

193
00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:35,120
Speaker 7: That would make it the most expensive ticket in Summer

194
00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,720
Speaker 7: League history. Here's the best part though, Lower Bowl tickets. Again,

195
00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,360
Speaker 7: this is not a big arena that you're going to.

196
00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,520
Speaker 7: This is maximum I think is eight thousand people. Lower

197
00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:49,560
Speaker 7: Bowl tickets currently going six point fifty a pop. And

198
00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,280
Speaker 7: if you want to sit at courtside, which I know

199
00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,960
Speaker 7: that Dub and Rob always sit courtside with theygo places

200
00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,160
Speaker 7: not yet twenty five hundred dollars apiece. You could go

201
00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,400
Speaker 7: to the NBA Finals and not paid twenty one hundred dollars. Say,

202
00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,240
Speaker 7: of course, wait, okay for who Charlotte and no the

203
00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,120
Speaker 7: one we just had? Well, okay, so who what? I

204
00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,120
Speaker 7: believe there so big bucks to go see Cooper Flag

205
00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,440
Speaker 7: and Brownie next Lakers.

206
00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,120
Speaker 4: You'll be spending hundred and fifty. Here's a ridiculous thing.

207
00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,439
Speaker 4: I get it. People are in Vegas. There's not much

208
00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:19,520
Speaker 4: to do to this hot weather.

209
00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:25,080
Speaker 3: There's bad uh uh buffets and you know, and and

210
00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,400
Speaker 3: uh you know, and crap tables and if you don't

211
00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,319
Speaker 3: have but but the idea that you would spend any

212
00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:35,559
Speaker 3: kind of significant money to see Summer League basketball. I

213
00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,960
Speaker 3: don't care who's playing. I'm dead serious like you. This

214
00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,800
Speaker 3: is like talk about a waste of money. I want

215
00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,720
Speaker 3: to see. If you're telling me Cooper Flag's first real game,

216
00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,120
Speaker 3: and I want to be that, I'm all. I'm all

217
00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,400
Speaker 3: for it if he's your favorite player and it's a

218
00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,640
Speaker 3: real game. But seventy five percent, Rob g and my

219
00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,480
Speaker 3: bad Kelvin, am I being wrong? Eighty percent of the

220
00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,560
Speaker 3: players playing in the Summer League are not going to

221
00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,440
Speaker 3: be NBA player, Okay, you know what I mean. Like

222
00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,440
Speaker 3: there's some rookies, but most of the guys, they get

223
00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,160
Speaker 3: a free uniform and a couple of pair of sneakers

224
00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,880
Speaker 3: and a burger and fries from Burger King.

225
00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,199
Speaker 5: Like that's what they get to play in the summer league.

226
00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,600
Speaker 4: The league makes a little.

227
00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,040
Speaker 3: Bit of money off of it and to keep the

228
00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,480
Speaker 3: league relevant. And you get to see some of these

229
00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,640
Speaker 3: guys who were drafted, which is fine. I'm not saying,

230
00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,959
Speaker 3: don't go, but pay top dollar. And then the whole thing,

231
00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:33,200
Speaker 3: Brownie against Cooper flag, is that really where we are?

232
00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,400
Speaker 3: I could see if it was there were two players

233
00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,439
Speaker 3: who were gonna be drafted one and two, and they

234
00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,200
Speaker 3: had a rivalry or something, and then this is, you know,

235
00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,520
Speaker 3: they both got drafted and you look at that. I

236
00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,160
Speaker 3: can understand, if you know, do you know what I mean?

237
00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,640
Speaker 3: Like like like that example, that makes more sense to me.

238
00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:57,679
Speaker 3: I'm just saying personally, I just couldn't see spending big

239
00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:02,440
Speaker 3: bucks or any major money on summer league basketball, which

240
00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,600
Speaker 3: is basically minor league basketball, you know, with a sprinkle

241
00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:07,839
Speaker 3: on top, that's what it is.

242
00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,640
Speaker 1: So in theory, I'm actually not mad at you like,

243
00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,880
Speaker 1: I get everything you're saying, principal, right, But here here's

244
00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,800
Speaker 1: a couple of things you got to you gotta think about.

245
00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,960
Speaker 1: We're in a day and age where Rob g how

246
00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,360
Speaker 1: old was Cooper Flag when you started to hear about

247
00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,000
Speaker 1: him with fourteen Maybe Bronnie Now obviously we do know him,

248
00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,600
Speaker 1: he's literally born, but Bronnie becomes a thing on social

249
00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,640
Speaker 1: media like thirteen fourteen. Right, you're starting to see these guys.

250
00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,920
Speaker 1: So we have a generation Rob where they're peers, kids

251
00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,480
Speaker 1: who are seventeen to twenty foursh doe. They been watching

252
00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,680
Speaker 1: these kids like since they were on making mixtapes and

253
00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,360
Speaker 1: they were all over YouTube and TikTok, and so for

254
00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,200
Speaker 1: them this is lit. I get to go see the

255
00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,000
Speaker 1: god and watch them for all these years. Those are

256
00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,640
Speaker 1: the guys paying twenty five hundred dollars to.

257
00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:50,360
Speaker 4: Two young people.

258
00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,040
Speaker 1: He talked them, there's only two hundred and fifty, Rob,

259
00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:53,440
Speaker 1: that's actually nothing. You know what they pay to go

260
00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,640
Speaker 1: see Taylor Swift. I'm not even exaggerating. It's of go

261
00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,920
Speaker 1: text your best friend Steven A. Smith what he paid

262
00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,120
Speaker 1: take his daughters and friends to go see Stephen Taylor

263
00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,720
Speaker 1: Moncey played one thousand dollars to go see Taylor Swift

264
00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:07,800
Speaker 1: and knows Monty.

265
00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,400
Speaker 4: Makes too much money at Fox Sports Radio thousand dollars.

266
00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,320
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, rob that's what it's so dope that

267
00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,200
Speaker 1: it's become this rageous.

268
00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,360
Speaker 4: No, that was normal to go Seeyonda. That's not what

269
00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:17,760
Speaker 4: I'm saying.

270
00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,400
Speaker 1: It's become to go see Beyonce, to go see Taylor Swift,

271
00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,160
Speaker 1: to go see a deal, to go see these massive,

272
00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,520
Speaker 1: massive artists. So for these guys spending two hundred and

273
00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,839
Speaker 1: fifty bucks, I get to go see BRONI I get

274
00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:30,880
Speaker 1: to go see Cooper Flag.

275
00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:31,680
Speaker 4: That's actually cheap.

276
00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,319
Speaker 1: Rob a regular NFL to go see the Chargers play

277
00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,240
Speaker 1: the Browns. It's gonna cost you two fifty minimum and

278
00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,319
Speaker 1: that's a bad seat. So it's actually not bad in

279
00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,120
Speaker 1: summer league game to see scrubb right here. And here's

280
00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,480
Speaker 1: also that's what I'm saying now they put this is

281
00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,120
Speaker 1: not monoymano. If you told me it was a one

282
00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,360
Speaker 1: on one competition, I might even buy into that they

283
00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,960
Speaker 1: might not be on the court or checking it like seriously,

284
00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,000
Speaker 1: But here's what it doesn't make any sense now, rob Ge,

285
00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,440
Speaker 1: this is expected to be the big one of the biggest,

286
00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,240
Speaker 1: if not the most watched Summer League game ever. Right,

287
00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,440
Speaker 1: so guess what's gonna be I'm gonna tell you what. So,

288
00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:12,319
Speaker 1: guess who's gonna be there? Lebron James, probably, Kevin Durant probably.

289
00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,000
Speaker 1: What does that do for you, Scott that I'm in

290
00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,960
Speaker 1: the building with Travis Scott, one of my favorite players.

291
00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,480
Speaker 1: I might have on my Rob Parker, Travis Scott's they're

292
00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:21,680
Speaker 1: act like you don't want to be there. He might

293
00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,840
Speaker 1: throw you something, you know. I got Bron down there,

294
00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,640
Speaker 1: I got this person down there. I got young hyn

295
00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,720
Speaker 1: whoever pick a rapper, young NBA, young boy down there, like, dude,

296
00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,680
Speaker 1: this is lit. I got all these stars and hit

297
00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,600
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark might pull up, Ames Reese might pull up, dude.

298
00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:38,720
Speaker 4: Summer League is lit.

299
00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,680
Speaker 1: It is a time where the guys, the players in

300
00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,000
Speaker 1: the league go vacation. I get to be in Vegas

301
00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,680
Speaker 1: for a week, four or five days. My agent's out here.

302
00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,080
Speaker 1: All these brands are out here, dude. Vegas is a

303
00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,840
Speaker 1: real thing in Summer League. Brands are there, marketing teams

304
00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,120
Speaker 1: are there, and this is where people go in Showcase,

305
00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,200
Speaker 1: which is why it was a big deal when you

306
00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,600
Speaker 1: know the Triple B big baller brands out there blowing

307
00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:05,480
Speaker 1: out shoes and shoes I'm marketing, and they're like, oh,

308
00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,000
Speaker 1: we look bad out there. So so this is more

309
00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,280
Speaker 1: than this is a basketball junkies crackhouse where you can

310
00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:12,480
Speaker 1: go get all the jok.

311
00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:18,400
Speaker 3: To pay top dollar to me is crazy for for

312
00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,640
Speaker 3: you with the idea, all the hope, And I'm just

313
00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,720
Speaker 3: saying I would never pay. I don't care who it is,

314
00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:24,920
Speaker 3: one thousand dollars to sitting those.

315
00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,360
Speaker 1: Bleeds for a concert. I just wouldn't do it. Who's

316
00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,760
Speaker 1: your favorite one the Knicks? What's her name?

317
00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:31,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

318
00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,680
Speaker 1: I looked at even he came back. We all of

319
00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,360
Speaker 1: a sudden, you jumped into you jump back into DeLorean.

320
00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,560
Speaker 3: The only way I'm paying a thousand dollars is if

321
00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,160
Speaker 3: I get to hold the casket as he says that joy.

322
00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,640
Speaker 1: Why no, we go back in time and you know,

323
00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,480
Speaker 1: look we've got the Delarean, right, we got the time machine.

324
00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm not paying a thousand dollars that he's gonna die.

325
00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,480
Speaker 1: Please you don't go back and go watch him. No,

326
00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm not paying a thousand dollars.

327
00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,440
Speaker 4: I paid a thousand to go see somebody say who

328
00:15:59,440 --> 00:15:59,960
Speaker 4: he was? Good?

329
00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,120
Speaker 1: I am, but it was only aout I think twelve

330
00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,000
Speaker 1: hundred for the two tickets to go see Who'd you

331
00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,160
Speaker 1: see Bruno Mars.

332
00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,120
Speaker 4: Oh, he could have waited for the residency in Vegas. No,

333
00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,000
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what happened. It was. No, I'll tell

334
00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,720
Speaker 4: you that's a good story. I'll tell you on the

335
00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:15,280
Speaker 4: other side.

336
00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,960
Speaker 7: Well, you know what's funny hearing Robson, I'm not picking

337
00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,360
Speaker 7: a thousand dollars for that he paid. I want to say,

338
00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:24,320
Speaker 7: like thirteen hundred for some really terrible Gucci uh slides

339
00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,720
Speaker 7: or whatever you're blessing. They were just like they were sandals.

340
00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,440
Speaker 7: They were full on sandals. He wore them, took pictures

341
00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:30,920
Speaker 7: for the GRAMM. He's like people were.

342
00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,200
Speaker 8: Killing them for those SAMs, Jesus saying immediately told him afterwards,

343
00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,240
Speaker 8: I did, Yeah, but you'll paid twelve But your favorite

344
00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,080
Speaker 8: player back from the dead Frank Sinatra.

345
00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,200
Speaker 1: No, I'm not spreading the news right now, not four

346
00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:45,200
Speaker 1: thousand dollars.

347
00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,240
Speaker 5: I'll spread the news. I just thinking for it, if

348
00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:48,960
Speaker 5: I wanted to do that.

349
00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,640
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, if Cooper fly, if he's if I'm

350
00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,440
Speaker 3: really a Cooper fly I want to watch. I want

351
00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,200
Speaker 3: to save my money and go to the first real

352
00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,400
Speaker 3: game because they're gonna be stars there too, and all.

353
00:16:58,600 --> 00:16:59,280
Speaker 5: That's the game.

354
00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,480
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, if I had to pick a choice, Okay,

355
00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,919
Speaker 3: when Luca comes back, Luca is gonna be come back

356
00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,440
Speaker 3: to Dallas. They're playing the Mavericks and Cooper. I want

357
00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,760
Speaker 3: to save that twelve hundred dollars for that game.

358
00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,840
Speaker 1: I think Summer League and take out what I think.

359
00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,359
Speaker 1: That's what the Summer League has become. The bros trip.

360
00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,320
Speaker 1: You tell the wife, the girlfriend, we're going to Summer

361
00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,159
Speaker 1: League and going to Vegas Pro. You get to go

362
00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,680
Speaker 1: to Vegas for four or five days, get to see

363
00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,639
Speaker 1: celebs just walking through the down the street, hanging out

364
00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,719
Speaker 1: in the hotels, popping up at the clubs. They're all

365
00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,560
Speaker 1: at the games. So that's what it's become. Summer League

366
00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,119
Speaker 1: has become a bros Trip. Shout out to the ladies too,

367
00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:38,560
Speaker 1: ladies trip, you know what I mean. It's just it's

368
00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,240
Speaker 1: become that to go enjoy some hoop, see some stars,

369
00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,480
Speaker 1: get some marketing and all that cool stuff out there

370
00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:44,359
Speaker 1: and enjoy it.

371
00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,359
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

372
00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,720
Speaker 2: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio

373
00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,960
Speaker 2: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to

374
00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:55,760
Speaker 2: listen live.

375
00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,440
Speaker 7: Kevin Durant was the latest guest on the Mind the

376
00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,800
Speaker 7: Game popodcast. It was actually the second part of his

377
00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:08,800
Speaker 7: interview aired on Tuesday morning, and during the conversation, Kevin

378
00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:13,560
Speaker 7: Durant was discussing the importance of being committed and locked

379
00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,040
Speaker 7: in to the day to day process. That's part of

380
00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:17,800
Speaker 7: the reason why he's been able to play so long

381
00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,120
Speaker 7: while the bron Ben play so long. Steph Curry, Guys

382
00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:24,520
Speaker 7: like that is because they understand that part of longevity

383
00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,560
Speaker 7: means falling in love with the process well during the

384
00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:28,600
Speaker 7: course of his and.

385
00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,680
Speaker 3: It's not because they don't play tough defense anymore and

386
00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,320
Speaker 3: it's easy to score than ever before.

387
00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,600
Speaker 4: To see you.

388
00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,440
Speaker 7: During the course of his answer, as he was explaining

389
00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,440
Speaker 7: the importance of being locked in, KD may or may

390
00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,240
Speaker 7: not have taken a shot of your favorite player take

391
00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:45,600
Speaker 7: a listen.

392
00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,080
Speaker 9: You got to recommit too to this game, just like

393
00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,280
Speaker 9: you sign a new contract every time you get better

394
00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,440
Speaker 9: as a player. Always, I truly feel that you got

395
00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,199
Speaker 9: to recommit and sign that contract with yourself every so

396
00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,920
Speaker 9: often like, all right, you know I'm ten twelve years

397
00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,840
Speaker 9: and I got full MVPs and faux championships, Like, but

398
00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,200
Speaker 9: do I still want to do that?

399
00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:05,920
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

400
00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,920
Speaker 9: You know, some people say I don't want to go

401
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:15,560
Speaker 9: play baseball and they don't want to come back. Well,

402
00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,800
Speaker 9: some people say I'm gonna go twenty two straight.

403
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,399
Speaker 4: Go ahead. I want to go ahead.

404
00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,679
Speaker 1: So this is always gonna be the hardest thing to

405
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,800
Speaker 1: do is to hit a baseball, right yeah, okay, well

406
00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,679
Speaker 1: well no, nobody, nobody, nobody debating that. Where did that

407
00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:36,159
Speaker 1: come from? And you just mad at somebody else? We

408
00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,000
Speaker 1: were talking about just a moment ago. A couple of

409
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:43,560
Speaker 1: things here. Uh so Katie obviously had some words for

410
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,920
Speaker 1: Jordan or you know, took a shot at Jordan for sure.

411
00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,200
Speaker 4: I mean clearly that was to Michael Jordan. A couple

412
00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,880
Speaker 4: of things I want to break down here.

413
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,679
Speaker 1: I think Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of

414
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,399
Speaker 1: all time, and I think he is has been a

415
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 1: remarkable career. And I think Lebron, you could argue, is

416
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,080
Speaker 1: the best. That's the story for an the day. But

417
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,359
Speaker 1: I do just a cop out, yes, yes, no, I

418
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,880
Speaker 1: don't just make make because they're two different No, it's

419
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,040
Speaker 1: not somebody who's the greatest.

420
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,639
Speaker 4: Basketball player I ever played in the NBA Michael Jordan. Okay,

421
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,520
Speaker 4: that that's that's what I want to hear. And if

422
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 4: you ask me who's the best, No, he's not the best.

423
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,080
Speaker 4: And that doesn't make sense. It's like the Steph Curry thing.

424
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 3: He's the greatest shooter of all time, but in the

425
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,919
Speaker 3: biggest spot when I need a basket, I don't want

426
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:24,199
Speaker 3: him to.

427
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,440
Speaker 1: Shoot because just doesn't make any sense because you're simplifying

428
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 1: something that's not simple.

429
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:29,160
Speaker 4: That's simple.

430
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,680
Speaker 1: Steph Curry makes ninety shots that most people on Earth

431
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 1: can't make. But if you ask for him to just

432
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 1: take one, yeah, I'm with you. Give me Reggie Miller,

433
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 1: give me Damian Lillers a handful, Larry Bird is that

434
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 1: makes the greatest shooter does? One shot does not make

435
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 1: you the greatest shot. It's about making He hasn't made

436
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 1: one one shoe. He hasn't made one. One shot does

437
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 1: not make you the greatest shooter. That's not a degree.

438
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 1: And that's fine. You the one brought up Steph Curry.

439
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 1: So back to what I was trying to say. The

440
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,400
Speaker 1: only thing I'll say about this is I do agree

441
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,880
Speaker 1: that I think we have lionized Jordan and the fact

442
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 1: that as if he was infallible, nothing went wrong. And

443
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 1: that's my only part. While I have an issue with

444
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 1: with Jordan's.

445
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 3: It sounds like you didn't cover Michael because I was

446
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 3: there and he was not at the start of his career.

447
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 3: I could go back and show you newspaper stories when

448
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 3: he scored the sixties.

449
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 4: I'm not talking no, no, no.

450
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: Nobody said he was perfect on you want me, you

451
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 1: want to go? I said, you can go, So let

452
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 1: me go. Michael Jordan. I'm not talking about on a

453
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 1: night where he might have shot seven for twenty five

454
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 1: in real time.

455
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:34,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure somebody.

456
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 1: Hey, he was at it off night talking about now

457
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 1: where we now so far away from it. All we

458
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: will say is he was six to zero and I

459
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 1: just said he is the greatest. But I do think

460
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 1: it's okay to nitpick like we do when you're bringing

461
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 1: up the greatest of somebody. That means we have to

462
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: find small things to nitpick in the challenge, and my

463
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,199
Speaker 1: knicks picks with Jordan would be a couple of things.

464
00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 1: One those seven years that he didn't do anything where

465
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,479
Speaker 1: he was losing the magic, He was losing Isaiah, who

466
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 1: was losing the bird. He was losing to these guys

467
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 1: and losing to the guys who were quote unquote better

468
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 1: than him, were other guys will be criticized for losing

469
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 1: the people who we thought were better than them. They

470
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 1: we will be criticized, why is he losing to Kobe,

471
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: Why is he losing this person?

472
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 4: Why is he losing this stuff?

473
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: Most people get criticized, so that Jordan doesn't often get

474
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: criticized for that.

475
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 4: I think that's a fair point.

476
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 1: Also think it's a fair point when you talk about

477
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: how many times he got swept in the first round

478
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: or didn't make it out of the first round, or

479
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: when you talk about he couldn't beat Isaiah Thomas and

480
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 1: those Piston teams until Isaiah Thomas retired a couple years later,

481
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 1: and so did Bill Lambiard. Some of those guys think

482
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: that's a fair point. You're just you gotta start nippicking.

483
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 1: And then also what his point was. Michael Jordan himself

484
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 1: said I couldn't have just survived in the Twitter era.

485
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: He said, because I'm so big into privacy, and he

486
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,719
Speaker 1: talked about how for him that was a challenge for him,

487
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: the mental aspect. He said, physically, I'm already worn out,

488
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 1: but mentally I'm super drained. And that's why he retired

489
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: and went on to play baseball. And I do believe

490
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: that is part of what has made what made Kobe

491
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: Bryant great, what made Lebron great, That they have to

492
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: have dealt with criticism from all angles in new mediums

493
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: that nobody else has ever had to deal with and

494
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 1: then still show up. When Lebron became the black hat

495
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: for the first time in his life out with playing

496
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: the Mavericks, he didn't fold it and go away. I

497
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: can't take the criticism and I'm gonna wait. He went

498
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: and got better and came back and won. Kobe Bryant

499
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,479
Speaker 1: was coming back to La on a helicopter from a trial,

500
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: a literal trial, fight in prison time, in playing games

501
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: and balling out and so I'm not I'm not. I

502
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: fully understand stuff goes on. But Michael Jordan needed to

503
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 1: break a reprieve after eight nine years to go play

504
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 1: baseball for a couple of years.

505
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 4: Then he came back, played.

506
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 1: A few more years, then he retired again before a

507
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 1: couple came back a couple of years. So all I'm

508
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: saying is it's okay to criticize Michael Jordan. He can

509
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: still be the goat, but it is okay to say

510
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 1: that he did he had some fallacies. He are not fallacies,

511
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: some things that he was not the best at, or

512
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: he had something, or he made some mistakes, or that

513
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: I didn't like that he did that, And that's all

514
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think it's okay to point those out

515
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: and yet still can say he's the greatest.

516
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 4: Similarly, the way we'll do with Lebron, You'll know.

517
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 5: You make an excuse.

518
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 3: You're like the biggest I'm dead serious, the biggest Lebron

519
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 3: apologist I've ever heard.

520
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 4: That's the first I'm gonna tell you. Listen to me,

521
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 4: Listen to me. I think you are.

522
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 5: And that's why people think you're like on the on

523
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 5: the pay wall.

524
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: You're on the pay you are the biggest lebronpologist.

525
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 3: Roger, no matter what good, nobody was good in Cleveland,

526
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 3: Lebron didn't have anybody. When Michael Jordan went to Chicago,

527
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 3: what if the what did the Bulls win? Scottie Pippen

528
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 3: was this great player, but he never won finals m

529
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 3: VP even though he was so great, and he's the

530
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 3: reason Michael Jordan won. This is a nonsense. I'm just

531
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 3: just hear me out. This is what people try to

532
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 3: make up some some scenario. Oh, the only thing you

533
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 3: talk about it Lebron is Michael Jordan being six and

534
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 3: oh no, he was. He was a score to ten

535
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 3: straight times. He won so many awards defensively, he did everything.

536
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: Nobody's saying he's perfect. But this whole notion that the

537
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 3: reason Lebron didn't win is because there's Twitter, or.

538
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 5: The reason that he didn't.

539
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 3: Win is because Skip Baylists and Rob Parker and Chris

540
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 3: Bussard had a morning show on the ESPN turn the

541
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 3: show off.

542
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 4: Really, come on, man, that is weak.

543
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: That's the reason that Lebron didn't win is because there

544
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: was debate Swarts talk show, or because some guy in

545
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 3: his mother's basement is tweeting about Lebron.

546
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 4: And he can't handle it.

547
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is what you're talking about.

548
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 4: I can't handle it.

549
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 3: The point is everybody that, oh Lebron, he's the one

550
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 3: who put on his back and a tattoo, the chosen one.

551
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: He's the one who called himself the King that wasn't

552
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 3: anybody else. When you do that, you put a target

553
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 3: on your back. When you talk about you're the king

554
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 3: and you're the chosen one, and then you want to

555
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 3: belly ach about it. You go from team to team

556
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 3: trying to stack your freaking team, and you still don't win.

557
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 3: You still lose more than any other NBA MVP in

558
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 3: the history of the sport. You come to LA, you

559
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 3: complain that they O, I don't have anybody ad that's

560
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 3: not good enough. We need more players. You get Luca,

561
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: one of the best players in the league. You still

562
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 3: get knocked out in the first round. You're gonna blame everybody.

563
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 3: He never takes responsibility that it's him or that he

564
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: made the move. You talk about Cleveland doing anything, Oh,

565
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: Cleveland doing didn't do anything in the front offense. He's

566
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 3: the one who win got Westbrook? Did he get Westbrook

567
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: or did the Lakers get worst?

568
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: You know the best part about this ridiculous You say

569
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: I'm the homer for Lebron, which is the furthest thing

570
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: from the truth. You're so obsessed with him, you didn't

571
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: even have anything to say about Michael Jordan, the whole

572
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: point of this was what Katie said about or No.

573
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 3: The whole point is is that no matter what, and

574
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 3: this is why you can't be honest, and just as

575
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 3: I can't be.

576
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 5: Michael Jordan is the greatest.

577
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 4: I just said it.

578
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 3: You started it because you started out where you have

579
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 3: to put out that is the best team.

580
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 4: It does I would explain it.

581
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: First of all, Michael Jordan's the greatest, and you and

582
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: and that's another conversation I can explain it does not.

583
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: We sit here every single day, you me, Rob, g

584
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: Alex and Steve, and I will be the first one

585
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: to tell you Lebron needs to give up the rock more.

586
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: I'll be the first one to tell you, Lebron, I

587
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: don't like that, uh that your son is coming up

588
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: and down off the g League.

589
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 4: Keep him down there.

590
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: I'll be the first one to tell you, what do

591
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: I call him Alex the Olay Girls because he don't

592
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: play any defense. I'll be the first one to tell

593
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: you he's the most passive aggressive person on on social media.

594
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: You just lost by forty not saying you can't be

595
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: on it, but they're calling me to watch king look

596
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,239
Speaker 1: at me. I had the twenty five points to night.

597
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: I'll be the first one. I have no problem critics.

598
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: He don't owe me nothing. I don't owe him no.

599
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: I would criticize him. I'll criticize anybody. I'll even criticize

600
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I will because you won't Rob g.

601
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 3: When Aaron Rodgers went to New York to play for

602
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 3: the Jets, what did I say? I said it was

603
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 3: a mistake, and he made a mistake and it would

604
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 3: come back to be a mistake on his career. Okay,

605
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 3: so you could go here and say I never said

606
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 3: anything about her. I send you many videos. I can

607
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 3: send you many videos. You won't send me many. You'll

608
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 3: save me one said, you send you plenty of this

609
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: gonna be different angles of the same video.

610
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 4: It's so ridiculous.

611
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: So you get that fired up about Lebron, I'm feeling

612
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: like you. I'm just trying to say to the same thing, Michael.

613
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 4: Oh, Lebron, do you have to play? You had to play?

614
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 3: When they have TV sets on and they said them

615
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 3: and Skip Bayley said something about Lebron.

616
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 5: I don't know how he even competed.

617
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something, my god, there was a

618
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: morning show on you know what don't turn the TV on.

619
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 5: Don't go to Twitter, don't go don't go to i G.

620
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: If you're so worked up about social media that you

621
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 3: can't exist, you're so worked up about Lebronce, ridiculous goodness,