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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, March the third. Welcome in speaking of third,

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Speaker 1: the third and final episode of the Draft Show. Here

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Speaker 1: from the Indianapolis Convention Center and fellas joined once again

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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's Dane Brugler. I've been harpened on it all week,

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Speaker 1: but the irony, we're gonna finish putting this show in

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Speaker 1: the can, and then we're gonna run off to finally

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Speaker 1: watch the quarterbacks and the wide receivers begin in the

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Speaker 1: on field portion of the twenty twenty two NFL Combine.

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Speaker 1: Long time coming, am, I right, it feels like we've

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Speaker 1: been here a month now. We finally get to see

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Speaker 1: some stuff on the field. But no, this is uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's so much work that goes into the

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Speaker 1: tight ends. So uh, you know, I know, I'm excited

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Speaker 1: You know, how does how does trailing burks run? Uh?

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Speaker 1: lot to look forward to tonight. Is is this one

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Speaker 1: that you like in terms of drills that stands out

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Speaker 1: other than past cultures? I love all my children. Um,

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Speaker 1: sometimes you have favorites, but no, I uh because it Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as soon as this night's over and we're going into

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Speaker 1: tomorrow something, you know, I want to see the big uglies,

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Speaker 1: the offensive lineman. Uh. And that's really helpful to see

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Speaker 1: these guys are. I'm so happy you use the phrase

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Speaker 1: and he's down to like three thirty five, you would

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Speaker 1: Brought us to say? Yeah, like throwing a deck chair

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Speaker 1: the Draft Show, guys. This is this is exciting, this

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Speaker 1: Personnel Will McClay. Well, you've always been very generous with

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Speaker 1: we maybe'll talk to talk to those informals and then

428
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,680
Speaker 1: we'll decide who we're going to bring into the thirty visit.

429
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 1: There's so much information here at the combine. I'm interested.

430
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 1: You know, you've been coming to combine for a lot

431
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 1: of years now. How has your perception of some of this,

432
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,719
Speaker 1: all this data, all this information, has it changed at all?

433
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 1: Maybe you valued one drill more so at a certain

434
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: time and then over the years you started to value

435
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 1: a different drill. I mean, how is the combine, you know,

436
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,439
Speaker 1: your evolution of the combine and your perception of all

437
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 1: these drills, all the data, how has that changed? Um,

438
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: it's changed just from a standpoint of it. All still

439
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 1: starts with the tape and then you want to confirm

440
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 1: what's on the tape. But just there's different things at

441
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 1: different positions. What I like to do is I try

442
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 1: and look at all the movements at the different positions

443
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,880
Speaker 1: and break them down and then score guys on those

444
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 1: different movements, and then if there's something that's different, kind

445
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 1: of go back to the tape and see if that's

446
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 1: what it is. As far as the different data, you know,

447
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting when you get all of it, uh,

448
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 1: you know, and how you process it. And really we

449
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: always look for information to confirm, you know, our our

450
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 1: our thoughts or you know, maybe we need to look

451
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: at that a little bit more. You kind of touched

452
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 1: on this and ago and just and no two prospects

453
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 1: are the same, right, Like, you're gonna have to do

454
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: more homework on some guys. Some guys are going to

455
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 1: be clean. But over the next month or so, so

456
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 1: let me see if I have this right. I mean,

457
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: pro days start pretty soon after this is over. You're

458
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: gonna start bringing guys in or talking or y'all gonna

459
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 1: be able to bring guys to the facility. Yes, we

460
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 1: can bring guys into the facility. Will you have a

461
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: Dallas Day this year? Yes, we should have a Dallas

462
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 1: Day this year. Still waiting to confirm that, but we've

463
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 1: got a Dallas Day this year where we get to

464
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: see the local guys and then early mid April you

465
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: kind of get in a room and put the board together. Yes,

466
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: so with all of that stuff still to come. In general,

467
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: how complete do you feel like a grade is on

468
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: a player when the combine's over? Like, how much work

469
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: is to be done? In general in terms of like

470
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 1: determining how you feel about guys. I think you have

471
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 1: a general feeling and now you want to confirm. It's

472
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 1: like you go on five, eight, ten, fifteen dates. However, man,

473
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: it is so you decide who you want to spend

474
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: the rest of your life with, or at least four

475
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 1: to five years. So we want to try and get

476
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 1: more information just to confirm it. Because things are continually

477
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: coming in, you're finding out more about them, you have

478
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: a general area that you want to put them in.

479
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: Now it's because of our collaborative process and including the coaches.

480
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: Now we say, okay, who do we collectively like And

481
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: there's got to be points in the process where you

482
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 1: can get in front of this person, that person, that person.

483
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: Then let's get together and come up with our complete

484
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: thoughts with the last couple of years, going off of

485
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: that same fact, not having certain pieces to that puzzle,

486
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: not having the combine one year, pro days, two years ago.

487
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: How much more do you feel like that complete picture

488
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 1: is made and you're like this where it's more back

489
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: to normal, well, you know, back to day's point, like,

490
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: get you get all this information. Sometimes you're gonna have

491
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: too much information and talk yourself out of or into something.

492
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: So we kind of take the pieces that are most

493
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: important to us and kind of go through the filter

494
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: and scrub the filter and make sure we see it

495
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: all the same way and adding the expertise of other

496
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 1: people within our organization, you know, we are our mental health,

497
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: our performance, you know player programs who also have more

498
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: experience in dealing with these players. The unique part about

499
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: the scouting profession to me is we go out and

500
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: we gather information on guys okay, and that's told to

501
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,959
Speaker 1: us from people about people. Now we have to figure

502
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 1: out from our people how they fit in with the

503
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: people that are on our team. So that's the I

504
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: think that's the finishing part of the process. We can

505
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,959
Speaker 1: all look at how fast they run their angles, you know,

506
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 1: what system they come from, all that, and then how

507
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: do they fit? But you also got to figure out

508
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: how the people are going to fit in with the

509
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: people that you have. Obviously, every position is different, but

510
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: do you have a favorite drill? You're at the combine,

511
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, and you look at different drills for different positions,

512
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: But is there one drill that you really like more

513
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: and others? I think each drill tells you something. I mean,

514
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: that's what it, you know, And we've changed some drills.

515
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: They're gonna be some drills that have you know, you're

516
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: seeing the past that are now pulled out. Each drill

517
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: tells just something and UM. As far as a favorite one,

518
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 1: it's probably cruel. One of my favorite ones is like

519
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: watching the dbs and I was a dB. We can't

520
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: catch when they the gauntlet drill because you never know

521
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: what you're gonna get from that. Um. But I like

522
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,239
Speaker 1: watching the receivers, the guys that have to touch the

523
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 1: ball and you know, play make catches going through the

524
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: gauntlet the ball, where's the ball coming from? Watching their

525
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: eyes track when seeing if they're weaving off the line

526
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 1: or not seeing how quickly they catch it and put

527
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: it away and get the other that's hand eye coordination.

528
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite ones because at least that's

529
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: a movement that without pads, you can see that natural

530
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: skill set come out. Drill a couple of years Yeah

531
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: he did, Yeah, I need to run it well good? Well, yes,

532
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: I don't think you get eleven picks if you can't

533
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: handle the gauntlet pretty well. But it's just natural. I

534
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: mean it's like there's some guys that you look here

535
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: and they pick up the ball and now as soon

536
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: as they turn their head, you see upper body stiffness.

537
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: You see something that, oh, that explains why that was

538
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: an issue on tape. Wow. You know that's kind of

539
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: the way that I look at it. So this is

540
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: about as interesting at January as I can remember in

541
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: terms of like what's next in the sense that you know,

542
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: the season ends, whatever it was the sixteenth, we're waiting

543
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: and seeing on dan Quinn and we waited into February

544
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: to see if Kellen Moore would be back. What is

545
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: that like from your perspective in terms of that continuity

546
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: is so important to y'all in terms of what you're

547
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: looking for, who you want to talk to, who stands

548
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,719
Speaker 1: out to you, and now, surprisingly, in my opinion, with

549
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: both of them back in the fold, how much does

550
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: that help y'all? I mean, we talk so much last

551
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: year about Dan and these long dbs and what he's

552
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: looking for. How much does it help you that you

553
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 1: don't have to change those parameters and you're working with

554
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: the same guys again. It just keeps consistency in your process,

555
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: and that's what you have to strive for. I think

556
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,239
Speaker 1: one of the things I learned early on doing this

557
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: is our job is to find good football players. And

558
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, you go out and you evaluate them and

559
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: you say what they can do and they can't do,

560
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: but then they have to fit into the certain way

561
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: that you operate. But you don't want to discount guys

562
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: because you're you know, they're good football players are good

563
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: football players. The biggest thing is that there is consistency

564
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: and what we're looking for and what we're trying to

565
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: do in a better understanding of that. Because Dan plays

566
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: defense a little bit differently than Rod did or Mike

567
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: Nolan did, and his explanation defensively is to how he

568
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: uses players. Well, that opens up our eyes kind of

569
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: more as to what to look for. And the longer

570
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: you're in that system, the more you find those players.

571
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say in the top part of

572
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: the draft, but it's in you know, the middle parts

573
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: of the draft and in free agency. That's where you

574
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: make your home runs and you build your depth of

575
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: the team. Is there a part of you like when

576
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: you hear He's back, or Kellen for that matter, it

577
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: seems like you have really good relationships with both, You're

578
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: just like, oh, thank god, Like there's not going to

579
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: be a new coach in here, just scrapping everything we've

580
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: been working on yes, because you know different systems are

581
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: gonna come in and they're gonna want different things, and

582
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: so you know, you might have drafted this guy and

583
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: felt good about him, or he's shown priorities like for example,

584
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: m Xavier Woods. Loved Xavier coming out in the whole deal.

585
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: He had a system he didn't fit in, and he

586
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: became a free agent and then his value for us

587
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: wasn't as high. But he was a really good football player. Well,

588
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: I believed in Xavier Woods. It's kind of tough. Had

589
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: a career game against the Cowboys. He did. Yeah, he

590
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: let me know about it too. So even with all

591
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: the consistency that you guys have from a coaching staff standpoint,

592
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: there still feels like there's a lot of holes to

593
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: fill from a roster stan at least more so than

594
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: even past off seasons. Where do you feel like that

595
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: is headed at the moment? Is there any kind of

596
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: position that you look at more than other that weighs differently,

597
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: or where does this off season as a whole kind

598
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: of compare to ones that you've had in the past

599
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: as well. It's just a little different because we have

600
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 1: twenty one guys that are free agents, and you've got

601
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of different opinions. And we had a decent year,

602
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: wasn't a great year. We didn't end up where we're

603
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: supposed to, you know, end up so um, you know,

604
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 1: you have those players that are leaven and you have

605
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: to replace them. Then there's only so much in the

606
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: cap that you, you know, can deal with. So you

607
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: got to look at where's the strength of the draft,

608
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: where's the strength of free agency? Where what's it gonna cost.

609
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: So it's just another um journey in the building of

610
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, I'll just put it that way without giving

611
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: too much away. The a meeting with the Cowboys, a

612
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: formal meeting here at the combine? Are you more interested

613
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: in finding out about football? IQ? About the person himself?

614
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: About I mean, I know it's all the above, but

615
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, what are you what is the main focus

616
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: that you want to come away from those interviews thinking

617
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: about the player? Um, it's it's who the person is,

618
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, because in fifteen minutes you're not gonna get

619
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: And because they're so coached. Now, these kids come into

620
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: the d you know they've you know, they've somebody they've

621
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: been with, somebody that says Okay, this front is this,

622
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: and when you got from the school is they didn't

623
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: know what that front was or what that protection was,

624
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: and they come in here and they split it off

625
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: like that. So there's a little bit of coaching that

626
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: goes into that, but it's it's who the person is,

627
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: at least getting a feel from that, and you know,

628
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: we do some personality stuff and a lot of different

629
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: things to go, Okay, is that that tested they took.

630
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: Does that give us enough information to say, Okay, this

631
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: is who the guy is, how he fits and there's

632
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: there's something a little off, but you want to find

633
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: out if they love football, you know, as much as

634
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: you can within that short amount of time frame. But

635
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: that eighteen twenty minutes shouldn't kill a player and it

636
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't vault a player because the complete process of the work.

637
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: I know, you get this one a lot. I don't care.

638
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: I still think it's interesting. Just in your time, could

639
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: be a guy y'all wound up drafting or not in

640
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: those formals, somebody that stands out to you where like

641
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: everyone was like, holy crap, this guy's awesome. Um Zack

642
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: Martin famer, um that um. Just in the you know,

643
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: the different exposures you had to them. I think when

644
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: they are and when you have multiple opportunities to visit

645
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: with somebody and they continually are who they are, and

646
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: you find another character trait that makes you think that

647
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: this guy's going to fulfill his potential. I'm not I'm

648
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: not vain, and I mean, I know y'all don't pay

649
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: super strict attention to all the stuff that we say,

650
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: but it all, it all does kind of blend together

651
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: to some degree, right, I'm I would love your take

652
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: because the narrative flying around here throughout this whole process

653
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: so far is like, Yeah, there's talent in this class,

654
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: but it's it's not sexy. It's not this star studded

655
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: class with all these great quarterbacks. Maybe we don't know

656
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: how we feel about these quarterbacks. What do you think

657
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: of that narrative? And particularly at the top, maybe the

658
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: top fifty sixty prospects, what what do you think about that?

659
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: How do you feel about this group? I think there's

660
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: certain positions that if you are looking for a player

661
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: there you have options at different levels that could potentially

662
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: come in and at least be a contributor on a

663
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: team and build. There are some positions that they're a

664
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: little light. You know, it's like the quarterback position. We

665
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: don't know who's going to come out from this group

666
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: and be that next great guy. But there's not as

667
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: many names at least that we know right now that

668
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: you guys do the work on it and you see

669
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: and you hear in college football tells about. But there's

670
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: there may not be as as much depth there, but

671
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: there's more running backs. I feel like there's a good

672
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: depth of offensive lineman. You know, there's certain number of

673
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: tackles that I think we're five to eight more on

674
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: our ideal board right now than last year. So I

675
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: think as you go through it, it kind of always changes.

676
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: Is there a certain position this year that you think

677
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: is stronger than others? Anything stand out to you like

678
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: that UM stronger than others. I think there's I think

679
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: you're seeing UM an evolution of because the way the

680
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: college game is played, there's more edge rushers now, different

681
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: shape sizes you know that you can go through. There's

682
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: a lot of there's more longer corners UM and the

683
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: receiver group. There's there's gonna be five or six freaks

684
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: that come out of this deal that you know every year,

685
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: and the game is changing so much. It's not you know,

686
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: be the NFL is adopting more the college game. So

687
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: though you see those guys come and have an impact

688
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: sooner and at different levels. We used to always say that, well,

689
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: you gotta get a you know, a receiver that can

690
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: play in the NFL in the first round. That's not

691
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: the case anymore, and it doesn't seem like that's going

692
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: to change anytime. So now I don't think it is

693
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: obviously gallop, but I mean, you know, the Van Jefferson's

694
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: of the world, the Nicole Hardman's I just like, and

695
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: just the way the game is played right now. I

696
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: mean that just seems like something that's going to continue

697
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: until the trends shift away from what it is right now. Yeah,

698
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,959
Speaker 1: the college game is different, we say the college game.

699
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: NFL game is different because of the spacing, because of

700
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: the way that they play well, because of the rules

701
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: and things. Now you're getting some of that in the NFL.

702
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: You know, you think about the mobile quarterbacks and you know,

703
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: the change of pace running backs and the different positions.

704
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: It's more of a space game now. So players who

705
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: can create or close space or more valuable love how

706
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: I didn't even bring up Super Bowl MVP Cooper Cup

707
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: the third round pick. You know he's pretty good. Yeah.

708
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: Does that change the way that you scout the need

709
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: for receivers because there is such an abundance of them,

710
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: not only in the draft but in the NFL that

711
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: could be out there free agency wise as you I

712
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: mean you have a couple free agents of your own

713
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: on the roster. Yeah, I mean I think you've got

714
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: to you know, you have an offensive system, you have,

715
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, things that you're looking to put in place.

716
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: But you know, coach McCarthy's got this saying that, and

717
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: it's very valid and it's refreshing to hear from a

718
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: scouting standpoint. If a guy has skills and he can

719
00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: do something, if our system can accommodate that, then you

720
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,479
Speaker 1: know there's something wrong with our system. You know, there's

721
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: a If that's the case, then sometimes your playbook is

722
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: this big. But if you can find a way to

723
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: use a space player or you know, and you can

724
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: actually show us that and then you know there's a

725
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: value in that guy. But we got to use him

726
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: that way as well. I know he's a draft guy.

727
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: But at the same time, that makes guys. I can

728
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: hear like everybody's heart swelling when they hear that, you know, yeah,

729
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: and you know it's like for me and you know,

730
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: I look at Dane stuff, I look at you know

731
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: whatever people say, there's there's there's have truth and everything

732
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: my dad used to say. And so you look at

733
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: it and like your perspective might bring the light something

734
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: that I may not see. So what everybody's got their

735
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: own flavor. Now at the end of the day, are

736
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: we going to use that skill set? Does it fit?

737
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: And what's the value for that skill set? Which this

738
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: this plays into something I like, I can hear Cowboy

739
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: fans shouting at me to ask you I have to

740
00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: do it? Is it coincidence, positional value, bad luck, whatever

741
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: reason you want to say as to why the Cowboys

742
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: haven't invested a big pick and a safety and god

743
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: knows how long, um I think there's oftentimes when you

744
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: pick and you say you have a value for a guy,

745
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: we want them the guys that you like, typically we

746
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: want to but they're gone by the time we get

747
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: a chance to pick them. I mean, I'm not gonna

748
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: you can't force it. And the safety position and it's

749
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: change because there was a different value back in one

750
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,959
Speaker 1: period of time in the NFL, the safety wouldn't value

751
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: is high, and then it became a big deal and

752
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: it's not valued just high, and then it's a big deal. Okay,

753
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: Safeties now gotta cover tight ends, they gotta cover running

754
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: backs with the way that the game has played, and

755
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: so you might love them in college, Oh this guy's great.

756
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: We don't may not have that opinion or impression of

757
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: them based on what you do in the skill set,

758
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: but it is a value. It has become a more

759
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: valuable position now with the amount of sub that you

760
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: play with the injury, Like there's not a lot of linebackers,

761
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: so it'd be great to find safeties that can play

762
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: down in the box and do some of the roles

763
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: because you play so much sub defense. So the value

764
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: of the safety changes now, you think, and I think

765
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: of j Ron when you bring that up. Is that

766
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: kind of like what we're talking about with receiver, Like

767
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: are we trending in that direction where that like guys

768
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: like that are becoming more valuable players than maybe they

769
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: might have been. Yeah, depending upon what you do, Yes,

770
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: I think they become more valuable. And then how you

771
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: play defense. You brought up jay Ron Well, he was

772
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: a safety, and that was a special team safety that

773
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: did some things and had packages and roles and he

774
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: only played x amount you know, percentage time when you

775
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 1: got to the league. Is a good player. You turn

776
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: on the tape, you see a skill set, and then

777
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: you see how that skill set fits into your defense,

778
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: and then you use them that way and then you

779
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: get a buy product of that and the evolution of safeties.

780
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: To me, a lot of safeties come in and because

781
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 1: of the NFL game being different than the college game,

782
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: they make their stones first on special teams and then

783
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: they fill a role. You know, you draft, there's been

784
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: several safeties drafted high that haven't made an impact. Right,

785
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: So it's the value speaking on safety in a position

786
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: that may not be as valued as some of those

787
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 1: other premium spots in the draft. And you mentioned offensive

788
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: line earlier. What part of the draft class do you

789
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: feel like is stronger at this point in the process?

790
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: Offensive tackle, interior, offensive line. Is there one that kind

791
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: of sticks out between the more detailed side of the

792
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: offensive line to you, guys, A, at this point, I

793
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of tackles that can move inside.

794
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: So I think the depth of the tackle group makes

795
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: the interior offensive line better because you can move those

796
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: guys down and typically they're better athletes than the guards,

797
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: and with the athleticism of the defensive lineman and length

798
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: and all that other stuff, I think that the depth

799
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: of the tackle makes the interior depth better. That does

800
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: that position flex play into or how much do you

801
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: value that? Whenever you're talking to some of these guys

802
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: and you're evaluating their film and their tap, you have

803
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: to now it's it's extremely important because you're you know,

804
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: you're only allowed to dress out, you know, forty eight

805
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: on game day. And the injury and the flexibility of players, Um,

806
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: I think that it's hard to do. Now there's some

807
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: guys that that are just tackles. But the flexibility gives you,

808
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 1: you know, flexibility on your team in case of injuries

809
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: and all those things, which is very valid. Now when

810
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: you talk about a cap and you talk about ten

811
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 1: to twelve players taking up so much of your cap,

812
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: it's the flexibility of players that help you have depth

813
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: inconsistency on your team. Anything else than good, well, I

814
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: mean I would keep you here all damn day. But

815
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: I think This is like you're one break before the

816
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: meetings than the drills start. Drill start. Yeah, I got

817
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: get something, Go go get somethingy I like I said, Man,

818
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how much we appreciate the time

819
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: during one of the most hectic weeks of the draft schedule.

820
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. And I will

821
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: say this on air. I appreciate the way that all

822
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: you guys do your work, even though I give you

823
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: a hard time. I got great respect for Daneaway because

824
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 1: being in my profession, okay, we're like, oh, these dudes

825
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: don't know why they're talking about because you know, there's

826
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: people that come up and go, oh, what about this guy?

827
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: But when you do the work and you have an

828
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: opinion that you know, it's it's it's called group sourcing. Noah,

829
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit of this, a little bit of that,

830
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: and let's figure out what the answer is. I'm clipping,

831
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Speaker 1: don't really look at you because it's because LSU. Yeah yeah, yeah,

832
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: you got LSU tattoo. I mean yea, yeah, yeah, yeah,

833
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: I'm still clipping that all that's the nicest thing you've

834
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,280
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Speaker 1: This is that Dallas Cowboys dot com draft show, wrapping

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Speaker 1: up our final draft show of the week and our

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Speaker 1: final obligation before we can finally watch some drills. Dan,

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Speaker 1: love getting the fans involved in the show. Y'all are

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Speaker 1: what make it successful. So we want to get to

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Speaker 1: some of your questions. And actually, this is this is

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00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: fitting going back to what we were saying about talking

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Speaker 1: to running backs, Kyle, you were talking about the guys

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Speaker 1: they've had formal interviews with. I haven't heard anything about formals,

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Speaker 1: but I do know. And this is the fun part

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Speaker 1: that maybe we don't talk about enough. Like you get

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Speaker 1: your forty five formals and then everybody else it's a

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Speaker 1: free for all. You can from from eight to eleven

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Speaker 1: at night or in the morning, you can interview as

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Speaker 1: many guys as you want informally during like a two

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Speaker 1: or three hour stretch. And from everyone I've ever talked to,

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Speaker 1: it's just a free for all where like you're like

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Speaker 1: you come here, like we're gonna get you after this. Yeah.

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00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 1: I think they moved it out of the train station

892
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: and into the stadium this year too. Yeah, it's it's

893
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: Wild Wild West. I would give anything to watch that,

894
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: but just to be a fly on the wall. For

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00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: those conversations, heated, heated conversations in that situation. It's a

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Speaker 1: this is a rambling introduction, but I have heard, at

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Speaker 1: least informally, the Cowboys have been talking to down the

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Speaker 1: line quarterbacks, not the sexy guys, not the Kinney Pickets

899
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: of the world. But this is you know, it's a

900
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: position of potential need. Ben de Nucci still hanging around,

901
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: not a guy that's really showing you a whole lot.

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00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: H Cooper Rush, a free agent, might not be here,

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Speaker 1: so they very conceivably could be a Day three position

904
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Speaker 1: to look at. I would guess, so, Dane, about some

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Speaker 1: Day three quarterbacks that maybe strike your fancy. The guy

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00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: that immediately stands out to me is Notre Dame's jet

907
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Speaker 1: comb Um. He is a guy that not the most

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00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: mobile um, not the kind of the big thing with him.

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00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: He wish he was a little more athletic, but his

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00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: ability to find rhythm in the passing game stands out

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00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: to me consistently on every single tape that I did

912
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Speaker 1: of his. And he's just he's a locked in guy.

913
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Speaker 1: So he's you give him the play, he's gonna run

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Speaker 1: the play. You know it's not gonna there's nothing too

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00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: wild and crazy about what he does. But he's just

916
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: very efficient, very by the book, great guy to have

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Speaker 1: in your in your locker room. So if I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: if there's a quarterback in this draft that I would

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Speaker 1: look for in Day three that I don't, I guess

920
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: it depends if you're looking for an upside guy. You're

921
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: looking for a guy that you know what you're getting

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Speaker 1: and it gives me a quality addition to your to

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00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: your quarterback room. Because if if it's the ladder, then

924
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: Cone's my guy up. But I don't think he's ever

925
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: going to be more than a backup in this league.

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Speaker 1: What about like a guy like Skyler Thompson who at

927
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Speaker 1: Kansas State, he put up the career numbers, he had

928
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Speaker 1: some injury issues, still has the strong arm, he has

929
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: some mobility to his game as well. He kind of

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00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: fits right in there he and Cone or right neck

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Speaker 1: and neck for me. But where is he in maybe

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00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 1: that same kind of backup conversation with you? Yeah, I

933
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Speaker 1: thought he was Okay, I don't There wasn't anything I

934
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Speaker 1: came away from his tape saying, you know, like, oh,

935
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Speaker 1: this is a guy I definitely want to bet on

936
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Speaker 1: or you know, uh, look at him and say he's

937
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Speaker 1: got a pro future. He's gonna make a roster you know.

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Speaker 1: I think if we're gonna maybe switch the conversation to

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Speaker 1: who's the someone on day three that could evolve into

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Speaker 1: something more, you know, develop into something more. You know,

941
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Speaker 1: Caleb Ellaby from Western Michigan, he's maybe the one guy.

942
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Speaker 1: Look at Junior, came out early. I know a lot

943
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Speaker 1: of scouts were why are you coming out? And there's

944
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 1: no question he could have got better by going back.

945
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Speaker 1: But he's got talent to work with him. He started

946
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Speaker 1: as a true freshman at Western Michigan. You know, he's

947
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: when things are on time, things go well for him.

948
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Speaker 1: When things are a little helter skelter, that's where things

949
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Speaker 1: break down for him. So but if that's why we're

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Speaker 1: talking about him on day three, so Caleb Ellaby maybe

951
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: a later round name to keep an eye on if

952
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Speaker 1: you're looking for a developmental player. This is gonna this

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00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: is ironic because this team found a franchise quarterback at

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Speaker 1: pick one thirty five. But if that's what you're looking for,

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Speaker 1: give me the safe cone prospect who's never gonna be

956
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: better than that. But at least like you feel confident

957
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: he can provide quality depth. I just way more often

958
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: than not, the guys you draft on day three are

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Speaker 1: not going to be Dak Prescott, right, Yeah, I think

960
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: that's fair. Now it's I'm always of the belief that

961
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Speaker 1: draft a quarterback every year or every other year, throw

962
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: you know, it's a lottery ticket. Why not, you know,

963
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: to get a scratcher and scratch off, see what you got,

964
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: because you never know. One of these guys, with the

965
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: right system, the right infrastructure, they could turn into something.

966
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Speaker 1: And so you know when EJ. Perry from Brown not

967
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: the biggest guy, but he can move well and he's

968
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: a really sharp kid Ivy League. So obviously that intelligence

969
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: is there translates to the football field. So if we're

970
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: looking for a guy that maybe a little bit of both,

971
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Speaker 1: you think he could be an as solid backup, but

972
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Speaker 1: maybe he could be a little more. EJ. Brown or EJ.

973
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: Perry from Brown would be my pick there. Cannonball Cowboy

974
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Speaker 1: wants to know about one of your Ohio guys that

975
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Speaker 1: we I don't think have talked a whole lot about

976
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Speaker 1: Haskell gat Ohio State defensive tackle. You know, I I

977
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: wish I liked them more. Um, he's he's get the

978
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: honest truth on the draft. Well, yeah, I don't want

979
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: to lie to you. I mean he's, um, he's he's

980
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: he's three three technique. Um, but he's just not he

981
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: doesn't make enough plays when you watch him on tape. Um,

982
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: there are times, you know he'll have a you know,

983
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: he had a touchdown fumble recovery for a touchdown this year,

984
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: and he'll make a few splash plays, but not enough

985
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: that gets me excited that Like he's on a top

986
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: one hundred pick. You know, he is a guy once

987
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 1: you got on a Day three that you consider. Um,

988
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: I mean, amazing story. How you know he got shot

989
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: breaking up an altercation through the cheek, through his tongue. Um,

990
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: I remember that story. I didn't realize it was Haskell Garrett. Yeah, yeah,

991
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: this and it happened like in July before the twenty

992
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: twenty season. He was like making plays. By October, he yeah,

993
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: he was back on the field. I mean, they the

994
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: coaches were flabbergasted by the fact that he was able

995
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: to do that when he had such a traumatic um

996
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: injury like that that had nothing to do with football. Um,

997
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: you know a lot of guys aren't gonna work their

998
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: way back from that, but he did, and so all

999
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: the credit to him. Um. I just I think when

1000
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: you're looking at the defensive tackles in this class, he's

1001
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: not one of my top ten guys. So not not

1002
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: someone I think is a top one player. Interesting question

1003
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: from Ernie, and I'm I'm putting an embargo on the

1004
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: name sky More for this question. That sounds great, We're

1005
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 1: going to do it. I'm good with it. But again,

1006
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: obviously there's uncertainty here with Amari Cooper's future. Michael Gallup

1007
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: will have to see all of that stuff. But Ernie

1008
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: wants to know just about do the Cowboys need to,

1009
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: especially in a world where Ceedee Lamb plays outside more often,

1010
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: do they need to consider looking at like a pure

1011
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: slot or a good slot. And again, don't bring up

1012
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: sky More, but maybe some other options or if you

1013
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: really have to, that's fine. But I just think we've

1014
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: talked a lot about mister Moore to this point. Let

1015
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: me ask this to your question, is Ceedee Lamb not

1016
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: a valuable person to put in the slotter you just

1017
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: want him to play outside? Again? And again, it's just

1018
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: a hard thing to talk about right now because we

1019
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: don't know. But like if Amari's not on this team

1020
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: and CD's probably gonna or if Michael Gallup signs elsewhere,

1021
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: like and Ceedee Lamb can play outside obviously he obviously

1022
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: he's right in the slot too, but I mean you

1023
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: might need him to do that so or obviously you

1024
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: could draft an outside receiver. But to Ernie's question, he

1025
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: just wants to hear about slot receivers. Okay, what about

1026
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: one Dale Robinson from Kentucky. Um, but did you see

1027
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: his way in the day five eight hundred seventy eight

1028
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 1: twenty seven and five eight's arms the smallest arms I've

1029
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: ever ever heard of at the combine? Dann, why are

1030
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: you doing this to me? Or? Who is our guy

1031
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: from UNC? Cool? Um? Not cool easily Ryan Switzer and

1032
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: Switzer he was like twenty eight twenty nine. This guy's

1033
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: twenty seven five eights. UM. So that's that's you know,

1034
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: it makes your quarterback be a little more have to

1035
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: be a little more perfect. With the stross neck injuries

1036
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 1: in college as well, kind of dealt with some different

1037
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: things throughout well and Robinson Nebraska transfer. Um, you know,

1038
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: he's this is funny because he's really good making some

1039
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: diving grabs and now it's like, oh, well he had

1040
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: to because you know, instead of just reaching his arms out,

1041
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: he had to dive for it. It's kind of like

1042
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: Jim Edmonds making all those catches in center field just

1043
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: wasn't fast enough. So you know, I helped to make

1044
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: all those diving catches. Uh. So one day, Robinson, I think,

1045
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: is a name to keep it on the radar as

1046
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: a catching go guy. Um. You know you want him

1047
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: work in the middle of the field and find those

1048
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: soft zones. Let him. Uh he's really efficient with his

1049
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: ability to pluck and then become a ball carrier and

1050
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 1: do something after the catch. Um, but those size dimensions

1051
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: kind of scary a little bit. I was reading the

1052
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: wrong wine. He had no neck injury. I want to

1053
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: just go ahead and take that out of the way. Dangerous,

1054
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: Like went straight past my dumb comment, and I'm thins

1055
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 1: for that man. He was like, no, he never had

1056
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: as I'm like, we're not to talking. I read the

1057
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: wrong ven. He's like, I wrote the blurb on this

1058
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: guy in October. I knows, yeah, yeah, he's right below him.

1059
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: So that's what I was doing. Look, we've all had

1060
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: a long week here at the combine. It's okay. I

1061
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: like Juan Dale Robinson as a as a true slot guy,

1062
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: and there's a couple guys in that mix. Uh. Calvin

1063
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: Austin the third is more of a smaller guy as well.

1064
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: If you wanted to kind of throw small, speedy, just

1065
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: lightning bolts of receivers. We saw him out in Mobile.

1066
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: Alec Pierce could potentially play uh in the slot as

1067
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 1: Eric Now run, I'm reading the damn the wrong one again.

1068
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, together, goodness, gracious, I think that above all,

1069
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: you want guys that can play like a Cede Limb,

1070
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 1: who can play inside, play outside, like you give your

1071
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: offense flexibility, so you know, one less reason that the

1072
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: defense will know what you're doing out there. Um. And

1073
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: so that's why a guy like um, like a John Mechi, Yeah,

1074
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: you know, like he can play inside outside, legitimately play

1075
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: inside outside, and he's gonna give you that roster flexibility

1076
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: with your wide receiver depth chart, John Dotson, maybe I

1077
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna get him, I mean unless you

1078
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: take him at twenty four. Yeah, I mean that's true.

1079
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 1: If you want to take a receiver in the first round.

1080
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, thoughts and I think would be in the

1081
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: conversation at that point. I want to answer the question

1082
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: in the spirit that Ernie asked it. But I do

1083
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: think it benefits the Cowboys that CD can do a

1084
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: little bit of everything right, So you don't have to.

1085
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: I don't think you have to think about it as

1086
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: purely as that. Just get a receiver that you like,

1087
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: and you'll have guys already on hand who can help

1088
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: you figure out where there you go. Margo is over,

1089
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: I heard, I heard, I heard the ghost of Jeffrey

1090
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: Kavanaugh in my ear. All right, Persistence is key, I got.

1091
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: I gotta give it up to Red Red as an

1092
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: NC State fan. Every time I have called for questions

1093
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 1: this week, he has asked me about two NC State players.

1094
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: I can't ignore it anymore, So good for you, Red.

1095
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: He wants to know about two of his wolf Pack guys,

1096
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: ameca Emezi, the receiver and Bam Knight, the running back.

1097
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: Speaking of running backs, Yeah bad, what a name for

1098
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: a running back. I know, Bam. His real first name

1099
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: is Zanovin, which is cool as just as good. Yes, exactly,

1100
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: So he's got two cooler names than most people have one. Um.

1101
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: You know, I'm eager to see what he how he

1102
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: works out this week because he could be I think

1103
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: a winner based off some of the numbers that he

1104
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: puts up. He was just consistent for NC State the

1105
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: last three years. Uh just his production is almost like

1106
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: a mirror image of each other from his freshman year,

1107
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: sophomore ye junior year. And I think what he gives

1108
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: you is special team's value as a return man. He's

1109
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: you can catch up out the backfield. Once he clears

1110
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: that first wave, he's gone. So uh night is a

1111
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: is a really good play. I think he's a top

1112
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: ten running back for me or really close twelve. So yeah,

1113
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: I think he's we just talked about. Once you get

1114
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: into that day three range, he's one of those guys

1115
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: that I think, you know, you're gonna get really excited

1116
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: about possibly adding to your club. I'm starting to get intrigued,

1117
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: I said at the top of the show. I wasn't.

1118
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: I'm changing my tune. It's easy to do with some

1119
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: of these guys in behalf the shoot all right, finished

1120
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: this off with this, and we I mean, we've talked

1121
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: about him before. I think there's a handful of like

1122
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: lightning rod prospects in this draft, and Jordan Davis is

1123
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: definitely one of them, right, Cody wants Cody wants to

1124
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: revisit the conversation because the thing about Jordan Davis, and

1125
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: we do this every time there's a nose tackle is

1126
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: two down player positional value? Does he do enough to

1127
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: be worth a high pick? And Cody's question is more

1128
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 1: along the lines of if he's amazing at what he does,

1129
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: does it matter if he has limitations? Or And Dane,

1130
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't think we've talked to you about Jordan Davis.

1131
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: Do you think he has those limitations? Like is he

1132
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: that type of nose tackle type of guy that's that's

1133
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: worth spending that high of a pick on in your opinion?

1134
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: It's it's a very loaded conversation because I think it

1135
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: depends on how much you're going to play him. The

1136
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: big difference between Jordan Davis his junior year to his

1137
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: senior year, he dropped from like thirty some snaps a

1138
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: game on defense to like twenty four snaps a game

1139
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: on defense. So taking that away, it really freed him

1140
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: up to be a lot more fresh, to give more

1141
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: energy on a snap to snap basis. But if you're

1142
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: drafting a guy like that in the first round, you

1143
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: want him playing more than twenty four snaps a game,

1144
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: And once that snap count goes up, I think his

1145
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: effectiveness will go down, not a ton, but slightly. And

1146
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: if you have one series uh and you need you know,

1147
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: four snaps out of him, he will tear you up.

1148
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: But if you want him making consistent impact throughout all

1149
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: four quarters, throughout the course of a game, that's where

1150
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: I think you run into trouble in terms of can

1151
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: he give you the same uh, same physical impact every

1152
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: single snap. And that's that's where I struggle because I think,

1153
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: like he's gonna three whatever, he's gonna be three fifty's,

1154
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,439
Speaker 1: he might run five flat in the forty like he's

1155
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: a freak. But when you start to stack up snap

1156
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: after snap after snap, that's where's effecting this goes down.

1157
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: So I don't see the pass rush potential on tape.

1158
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,919
Speaker 1: M If I'm looking for a No. A nose tackle

1159
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: in the first round, who's gonna be a dominant run player, Yeah,

1160
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: I would take him somewhere in the late first round.

1161
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: But I think if you're expecting more than that, I'm

1162
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: not sure that you're necessarily he's not Vita Veau. I don't.

1163
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: I don't think he's on that level of player. Now,

1164
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: even with that, do you anticipate him doing the majority

1165
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: of the drills throughout the week. Yeah, yeah, so you're

1166
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: gonna have the athletic testing, he's probably gonna be off

1167
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: the chart. Well, so does that show it's just more

1168
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: endurance or is it more motor? What is it that

1169
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: is lacking so severely to where Georgia said, hey, we

1170
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: got to take you off the field for seventy five

1171
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: percent of the snaps during a national championship season. Yeah,

1172
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: it's it's just to keep him at peak performance. And

1173
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: you know they added a program like Georgia. They can

1174
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: do that because the depth chart is so deep. Rotations

1175
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: so and you know that they do that a lot.

1176
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: That no one rotates more on defense than Georgia because

1177
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: they can afford to um And so you know, it'll

1178
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting what a team asks him to do

1179
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: and wherever he lands if they play him, you know,

1180
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: same type of deal, they play him more. But I

1181
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: think there it's kind of a buyer beware thing if

1182
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna ask play more snaps, which and Cody. I

1183
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: think Cody worded this question really really well, and he

1184
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: brings up the point of like, all right, let's say

1185
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: let's say you play twenty eight snaps, but what if

1186
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: what if six of those are third, fourth, and short

1187
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: or goal line plays and he gives you the potential

1188
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: to dominate in that situation? Does that make him more valuable?

1189
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: It's almost like, Uh, I was having a conversation with

1190
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: someone the other night about Mattareza, the punter from San

1191
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: Diego State. Yeah, is he value? Is he worthy? It

1192
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: could think of him as a defender, a defensive player

1193
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: because of what he does, uh, you know, in terms

1194
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: of pinning the other team back and putting them in

1195
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: an advantageous situations. You can make an argument that he

1196
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: is a defensive player worthy of top one hundred consideration

1197
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: because of what he can do. Same type of conversation

1198
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: with Jordan Davis about what he does really well. And

1199
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: I think if you're a team that that's what that's

1200
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: what you need, you know, just drop that in and

1201
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: you're a much better team. You can make that argument.

1202
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: But not ever, I don't think every other team, you know,

1203
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: not every team is at that point in their roster

1204
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: where it's just that simple, yeah, where they can just

1205
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,439
Speaker 1: do that, and that's the missing piece. Well, and there's

1206
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: also the flip side of it. If you don't want

1207
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: to use them on third down and fourth down, what

1208
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: about using them first and second down? And then you're

1209
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: if you're stopping the run on first and second down,

1210
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: keeping it a third and eight, third and nine. A

1211
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: team that employs Micah Parsons could also benefit greatly from

1212
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: that type of presence as well. The only thing with

1213
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: that is you're gonna get gamesmanship from opponents who are

1214
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: gonna go quick game and they're not gonna let you

1215
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: sub you know, because they understand they're gonna try and

1216
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: get them off the field. Yeah exactly, well, and they're

1217
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: gonna keep them on the field so you know, make

1218
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: them play on third down. So it's you know, uh,

1219
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: second and ten and you get eight yards, okay, quick game.

1220
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: They they got to play ready, so third and two, Uh,

1221
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: you know it's would it's it's a it's a quick

1222
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: outthrow and you know, there's there's nothing you can be

1223
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: able to do about getting Jordan Davis off the field

1224
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: and getting your packaging. So it does you know, I

1225
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: think you could look at it that way and say,

1226
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's not as cut and dry as just okay,

1227
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: he'll play this snap, we'll take him out, and you

1228
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: know we'll be a better defense. You personally, where do

1229
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: you start to feel comfortable drafting him if the situation's right,

1230
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: anywhere in the back half of first round. You know.

1231
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: So you said that a minute ago. You sounded kind

1232
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: of like like not for me maybe, But it depends

1233
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: on the situation. To my roster, if I feel like

1234
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: a dominating nose tackle who can be a dominant run

1235
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: defender is one of the few very few things I'm missing,

1236
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: then I would be all over that because that's what

1237
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: I need. But if I'm you know, a team with

1238
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: plenty of other needs, I feel good about getting Travis

1239
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: Jones in a second round out a Yukon. I feel

1240
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: good about addressing the position later on and getting another

1241
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: nose tack. I don't have to use a first round

1242
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: resource on a guy if I don't need to, And

1243
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: so that's kind of how I look at Davis. Fair Enough,

1244
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: we're cutting it a little bit as short. Unfort we

1245
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: got drills to watch the work of the combine goes

1246
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: on even though we are done podcasting for the week. Guys,

1247
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: this is Dane. It was so good to be back

1248
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: with you at home. I hope this isn't the last

1249
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: time we have you on this year. I agree, this

1250
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: was an absolute blast. I love coming to Indy. I

1251
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: hope we're back in Indy next year. I guess we'll

1252
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: see how all of that unfolds. But another wonderful week

1253
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: at the Combine. We really appreciate all of y'all for listening.

1254
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: We will be back next week with the whole kitten caboodle. You, Kyle,

1255
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: you and I there it is. Jeff will be back

1256
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: from the slopes. At that point, proball in one piece,

1257
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, we got plenty more draft content. This

1258
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: is just the beginning, man, This is this is where

1259
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: it starts to get fun. This is where we ramp up.

1260
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: So thank y'all for tuning in. We will see y'all

1261
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Speaker 1: next time on the Draft Show. This has been a

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01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,960
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