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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Meat Josham. For this week's Select, I've

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Speaker 1: chosen our episode from twenty twenty on Agatha Christie. It's

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Speaker 1: a neat little episode about who is possibly the greatest

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Speaker 1: selling writer of all time by far, and may inspire

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Speaker 1: you to get into Agatha Christie's books. And they're definitely

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Speaker 1: worse things you could do with your time, So grab

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Speaker 1: a cup of tea, a nice little blanket and enjoy

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Speaker 1: this cozy little episode.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's

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Speaker 1: Charles w Chuck Bryan over there, and this is Stuff

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Speaker 1: you should Know. I'm I don't know if we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to get used to Jerry being round again.

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Speaker 2: Is she fired?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. She made a fire yourself, though,

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Speaker 1: I have better things to do than hang out with

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Speaker 1: you cool cats and kittens.

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Speaker 2: Well, and it's kind of like, what's the point of

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Speaker 2: just sitting there? And I can't imagine any more boring

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Speaker 2: than listening to us on headphones. Wait a minute, that's

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Speaker 2: our show.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there are people doing that very thing right now. Chuck,

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Speaker 1: and you have just mocked their existence.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I've just met for Jerry's sake, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know Jerry's not a fan. No, she's not

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Speaker 1: or a listener. So I have a question for you, Chuck.

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Speaker 2: You ever read a book? No?

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Speaker 1: No, don't be ridiculous, Chuck. Have you ever met Agatha Christy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I met her when I was three. Oh?

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Speaker 1: Really, do you have much of a memory of that encounter?

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Speaker 2: A little bit? She was, She was nice enough. She

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Speaker 2: signed my Murder on the Orient Express copy, first edition.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's gotta be worth some money.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty neat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you still have that hot Nah?

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Speaker 2: I did some spring cleaning here a couple weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: Did you? Didn't you say once that your brother has

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Speaker 1: like a copy of Number one Superman or something nuts

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Speaker 1: like that. No, I thought he has something some valuable

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Speaker 1: comic book. No, huh, No, we must be confusing you

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Speaker 1: with my other co host, Chuck.

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Speaker 2: Now, we weren't big comic book people. We don't have

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Speaker 1: I gotcha. Well, having met I get that Christie. When

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Speaker 1: a lot to bring to this one. I was. I

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Speaker 1: And I have read a couple of her things and

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Speaker 1: I would never consider myself of like a a rabbit

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Speaker 1: You picked this one.

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Speaker 2: Why we have this series of books, children's books about

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Speaker 2: awesome women in history, from Freda to Coco Chanel to

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Speaker 2: you want an Agatha Christie that haven't read any of

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Speaker 1: I started reading The Mysterious Affair at Styles, which I

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Speaker 1: She does what's She creates a lot of books, not

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Speaker 2: I've never seen that show what we what this conversation before.

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Speaker 1: No, that would be seared into my brain forever.

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Speaker 2: Now we have because you said that the first time. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: murder mystery movies, especially cozy mysteries like Clue is one

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Speaker 1: I've not seen it yet it's still like seven dollars

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Speaker 2: all right, sure, three three ninety nine, All right, now.

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Speaker 1: Three ninety nine. It's still a lot for a rental.

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Speaker 1: if you ask me. Wow, yeah, this is I'm taking

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Speaker 2: All right. Well, film professionals out there, please do not

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Speaker 1: So I have a question for you. Have one more question.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen that Agatha Christy film adaptation of Crooked

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Speaker 2: No, I think you'll like it.

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Speaker 1: It was big budget, but it also looks like British

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Speaker 1: Jillian Anderson Danas Gully is in it, okay, because you

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Speaker 1: Glenn Close? She's great, and I was like, this is

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Speaker 1: inventive works. House Cricket House. I believe that's on Amazon

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, do you actually do the math of how

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Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. I just don't want

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Speaker 1: to do that. Pennies, Why did you do that to me?

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Speaker 1: All right, so, Charles, let's let's get into this because

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Speaker 2: All right, Well that's an eight minute intro. So so far,

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Speaker 2: She is perhaps again it's kind of hard to tall

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Speaker 1: like a for example, we've had seventy billion downloads. Now

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Speaker 1: But think about it, Stephen King, how many books has

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Speaker 1: A lot of people say that Agatha Christie's numbers hit

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is. That is a ton of books. It's

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Speaker 2: I don't think our stuff. You should know book will

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about this cozy mystery or just mystery

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Speaker 2: novels in general. They are very much formulaic, which Ed

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've got that murder. You usually don't see

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Speaker 1: Lansbury basically, yes, but rather than interrogate people directly, Miss

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Speaker 2: Right, So you've got your setting in the cozy mystery setting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, go fly it with extreme prejudice.

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Speaker 1: I think so, man, we'll come back and talk about

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Speaker 1: she was so shy that sometimes she wouldn't go into

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Speaker 1: shops because she would have to interact with the shopkeeper.

437
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Speaker 2: So it's just ast. You know how many novelists are

438
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 2: the life of the party and super outgoing.

439
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: You've never met Philip Roth, apparently.

440
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,479
Speaker 2: I just I don't know, you kind of picture like

441
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: the Stephen Kings, just locked in an attict somewhere and

442
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 2: not like, well, let me write a little bit, then

443
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go, you know, go to a party.

444
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: Right, go play some pickup basketball and maybe volunteer at

445
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 1: the local food bank act.

446
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 2: I don't know it just it's sort of solitary pastime.

447
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 2: So that. Sure, there are examples of extroverted authors, but

448
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 2: I think she kind of fits the mold that you

449
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: generally think of, especially for a lady mystery writer.

450
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I think not only fits the mold,

451
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: the more I learned about her, she made the mold true.

452
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: Basically everything we take her for granted as far as

453
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: writing and mystery writing goes like she basically made it up.

454
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: It's pretty impressive stuff.

455
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,959
Speaker 2: Yeah. So she, like we said, she did some pretty

456
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: to us dumb dumbs in America seem like exotic traveling trips.

457
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: But if you lived in England at the time, it's

458
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: no big deal to go to Egypt and check out

459
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 2: the Pyramids. That was if you had a little dough

460
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: that was a pretty common vacation that you might take.

461
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: So she did stuff like that, and she was exposed

462
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 2: to exotic locales and use those in her work. In

463
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: her very first novel, Even Snow Upon the Desert, she

464
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,239
Speaker 2: wrote when she was like twenty two or twenty three

465
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 2: years old, I think, and you know, she had a

466
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: hard time getting published at first because she was a

467
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: young woman.

468
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was rejected out of hand. And apparently also

469
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: she'd started writing because her sister told her that she

470
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be able to write a mystery novel, yeah,

471
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: which I love, So she did. She wrote the what

472
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: was it? Snow on?

473
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: What? Snow upon the Desert?

474
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Speaker 1: Snow upon the Desert? And she was very young then.

475
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: And in between the time she wrote Snow upon the

476
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: Desert and The Mysterious Affair at Styles, which would be

477
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: her first published book, I believe she wedged a lot

478
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: of life in there in the form of getting married

479
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: to a guy named Archibald Archie Christie. And one of

480
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: the things about Agatha Christie is that she never she

481
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: wasn't a born writer, even though she did write as

482
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: a younger person, like you were saying, like, she wasn't

483
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: like a She just didn't want to be a writer

484
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: as a kid. And she ended up writing really seriously

485
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: after she and Archie Christie got married, because Archie Christie

486
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: wasn't particularly wealthy and couldn't necessarily care for her himself,

487
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: so she started writing to make money, which some people

488
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: suspect is the reason she got into mystery writing in

489
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: the first place, because it was a very very popular genre.

490
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: Even though yeah, well it makes sense, so she had

491
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: the skills to pay the bills.

492
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Speaker 2: It turns out that's right. They were married nineteen fourteen.

493
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 2: He was kind of promptly sent to fight in the

494
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: Great War in France, and she worked at a pharmacist

495
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: at a war hospital during that period, and this is

496
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 2: where she learned a lot about potions and poisons and

497
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 2: pharmaceuticals and things that would there's a lot of poisoning

498
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 2: that goes on in her books. Yeah, and she later

499
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 2: in her career, I think she actually would consult with

500
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 2: doctors and stuff like that because she wanted everything to

501
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: be really medically accurate. But early on she learned a

502
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: lot about this stuff from her work in the pharmacy.

503
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: Which is kind of cool and ghoulish, you know, She's like, h,

504
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: how exactly would a person die from this bottle that

505
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm holding? So yeah, and apparently most of the deaths

506
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: in her books are poisonings, and like you were saying,

507
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: like you very rarely see the person die. They just

508
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: come upon the body. And most of the times of

509
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,959
Speaker 1: poison body. Sometimes there was violence visited upon them, but

510
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: for the most part, a body that was found poisoned

511
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: to death.

512
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a good vehicle for a mystery novel

513
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: because you know there's no murder weapon per se. There

514
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 2: I guess there's the poison bottle. But it can often

515
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: be very vague a poisoning death, like could it have

516
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: been a heart attack? Like you have to kind of

517
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: suss out at first whether or not it was even

518
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: a murder. It's not like an obvious thing where there's

519
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 2: a bullet hole in their chest or something like that.

520
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: Right, right, Yeah, So poisoning is what she went with typically.

521
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: Another example also, Chuck, I think of like her writing

522
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: what she knew too, Yeah, at least writing what interested her.

523
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: And she wrote in I believe nineteen twenty no during

524
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: during World War One, so while she was working at

525
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: the dispensary and Archie was off flying in France. I

526
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: believe she wrote The Mysterious Affair at Styles and it

527
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: was that's the one I started reading, and I don't

528
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: understand how it was rejected at first, but it's a

529
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: really interesting book just right out of the gate in

530
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: that it pulls you right into this little country English

531
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: estate and all the people on it, and you realize

532
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: just after a couple of pages that you're already invested

533
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: in them, which is pretty amazing. And this is like

534
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: not her first book, but it was her first serious

535
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: work that wasn't published immediately. It wasn't published until nineteen twenty,

536
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: and I think even after it was published, it wasn't

537
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: an immediate catapult to success for her, but it was

538
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: a remarkable first book to be published.

539
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is the one that introduced the world

540
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: to her chief detective for a lot of those novels,

541
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: mister Poirot, like we mentioned, And later on they asked

542
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: her why he was Belgian, and she said why not? Basically,

543
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: I don't think a whole lot of thought went into it.

544
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: It turned out to be a really good choice because

545
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: he had this kind of interesting accent and everywhere he went,

546
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: I don't you know, they were never set in Belgium,

547
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: so everywhere he went he was this sort of sort

548
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: of strange foreigner that would come into town with this

549
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 2: accent that no one quite understood, and he just had

550
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: this sort of larger than life presence I think because

551
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: of that. So it turned out to be a really

552
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: smart choice.

553
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. He was also a well known dandy who was

554
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: very vain about his appearance, and he apparently said in

555
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: one of the later books that he plays up his

556
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: foreignness and his dandiness to disarm suspects when he's interrogating them,

557
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: to make them take him less seriously than they otherwise might.

558
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: Man, I want to talk about knives out so.

559
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: Much you cannot. I appreciate you not doing that.

560
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: So she had a daughter, we should mention, in nineteen

561
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: nineteen named Rosalind, and that's the only child she ever had.

562
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: And it was in nineteen twenty a year later that

563
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: they finally did publish The Mysterious Affair at Styles after

564
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: she agreed to change the ending. They said, we don't

565
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: like Poirot revealing all this evidence in court, so she

566
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: changed the ending. They said great. That's when she went

567
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: on to publish that novel every year for about ten years,

568
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: very very big books. But they weren't They were popular,

569
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: but she wasn't like a superstar internationally at this point yet.

570
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: No, not yet. Again. She really catapulted later on because

571
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: she moved to some of these more exotic locales. But

572
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: one of the things that cemented her legend as a

573
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: mystery writer in addition to all of the work she did,

574
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: in addition to her prolificness and her extreme talent at

575
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: this formula that she had worked out was what still

576
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: today is considered an unsolved mystery. In fact, it was

577
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: featured on a nineteen ninety four episode of Unsolved Mysteries,

578
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: which I just randomly happened to see recently, and she disappeared.

579
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: There's a whole sub plot to Agatha Christie's life that

580
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: was really surprising, especially compared to how boring and normal

581
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: and just kind of plotting with these instead of teas

582
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: her normal life. Was the fact that she has this

583
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: grand mystery plunk down in the middle of it is

584
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: pretty impressive.

585
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so. Here's the backstory. She and Archie were

586
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: not meant to be together. As it turns out, he

587
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: revealed that he was having an affair with a lady

588
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: named Nancy Neil who was a friend of the family,

589
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: and obviously that was the end of their marriage. So

590
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: at the end of nineteen twenty six, they decided they

591
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: were going to take a trip together a weekend, or

592
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: Archie went to be with his friends instead. And then

593
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: she vanished into seemingly thin air. They found her car

594
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: near a rock quarry, with her fur coat and her

595
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: driver's license there and no Agatha Christie.

596
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: No, and her car wasn't just near the rock quarry

597
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: according to some reports like one of the wheels is

598
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: hanging over the edge of this.

599
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: Cliff and still spinning right.

600
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: So, but she was gone. They couldn't find her. And

601
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: so within a couple of days, this massive search, depending

602
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: on who you ask and depending on when you ask them,

603
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: ten like ten thousand plus people were searching for probably

604
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: more likely a couple thousand, which is still really remarkable

605
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: for this tiny little area in the southwest of England

606
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: at the time in nineteen twenty six. So that really

607
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: kind of demonstrates she was already a well known writer.

608
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: She wasn't legendary yet, but is this disappearance is the

609
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: mechanism by which she becomes legendary, I think. And this

610
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: goes on for a good week, I believe. Right when

611
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: did she disappear? December?

612
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: What I think December third is when they were going

613
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: to take that trip.

614
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: So she was gone almost two weeks, and by gone

615
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: we mean just vanished. She left behind that car. She

616
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: left behind the driver's license in the fur like you said,

617
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: she was gone. Her husband had came to be known

618
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: to have asked for a divorce already, so people were like,

619
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: well did he bump her off? And she's a mystery

620
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: writer known for generating stuff like this, So even at

621
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: the time, some people were like, is this a publicity stunt,

622
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: because it's a pretty good one if it is.

623
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: Sure it worked, And there was a band at this

624
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: place called the Swan Hydropathic Hotel in Yorkshire, which kind

625
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: of just sounds like a bit of a Kellogg Brothers

626
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: type of joint.

627
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: Have you seen a Cure for wellness?

628
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 2: Well? We talked about that in that podcast.

629
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: Did we? I can't remember. Have you seen it?

630
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: I never saw it?

631
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: Have you yet? I still have not seen it, missing

632
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: that much, but it is pretty interesting. It's it's worth

633
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: seeing at least once.

634
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: I might check it out, okay, but any rate, they

635
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: had a band here, because what hydropathic hotel does not

636
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: have a house band, And they came forward and said, Hey,

637
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: that's Agatha Christie lady. She's been staying here for a week.

638
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: She's been in the electric light bath cabinet and getting

639
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: yogurt enemas and having a grand old time. So they

640
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: went to the cops, and the cops went to the

641
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: lead detective and said, no, no, no, she has been

642
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 2: murdered and we're trying to find out the killer.

643
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure of it.

644
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: Eventually, this detective said, well, let me tell her husband.

645
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: And husband Archie went out to check it out on

646
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: the fourteenth of December. There she was. She was in seclusion,

647
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: and that was sort of the end of this mystery.

648
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: It wasn't so much a mystery, you know. She by

649
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: all accounts, it seems like she went there because she

650
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 2: had thought about or maybe tried to drive her car

651
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: into that quarry and kill herself because she was upset

652
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 2: about her marriage ending. Yeah, and then it didn't happen,

653
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: and she just kind of goes on a walk and

654
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: ends up at this place. May or may not have

655
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: invented an amnesia story, or it may have actually happened

656
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: to some degree. She didn't talk about a lot, so

657
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: we don't really know exactly what went down with the amnesia.

658
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: She said that. So two years later she gave an

659
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: interview with The Daily Mail and apparently explain the amnesia

660
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: by saying she'd hit her head on the steering wheel,

661
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: but in the same interview she says that she'd let

662
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: go of the steering wheel. So she basically said, like,

663
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: I attempted suicide and it didn't work out. I hit

664
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: my head on the steering wheel, and I wandered off,

665
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: and I had amnesia. But they think that it was

666
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: just a family cover story to save face, this amnesia story,

667
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: and that really she had attempted to take her own

668
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: life and hadn't succeeded and now regretted it was embarrassed

669
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: by all of this because the idea that there were

670
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: thousands of people looking for I think it probably never

671
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: crossed her mind when she wandered away from her car. No,

672
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: and that I remember she was a very shy person,

673
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: so this all this attention was very very hard on her.

674
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: So the family just came up with this cover story

675
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: that she had amnesia, so didn't even bother asking, and

676
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: Archie and she stayed together for another year or so

677
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 1: and then their divorce finally became finalized in nineteen twenty eight.

678
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she didn't even mention this in her autobiography,

679
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: which kind of says all you need to know about

680
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: how much she liked to talk about.

681
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: This, right, we should say there was one other thing

682
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: that did this too. It wasn't just Archie asking for

683
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: a divorce. He asked for a divorce a few months

684
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: after her mother died. And I getak, Christie's mother was

685
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: beloved to her. She worshiped her mother. She thought she

686
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: was wonderful. Her mother was the parent that was there

687
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 1: for her while she was a kid and raised her.

688
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: It was just a very interesting person, it sounds like.

689
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: So she died, Archie asks for a divorce a few

690
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: months later, and then this whole mysterious disappearance happened.

691
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: That's right.

692
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: And then one last thing I read that at the

693
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: Swan Hydro Hotel she was actually playing cards and chatting

694
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: with other guests about this mysterious disappearance that was in

695
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: all of the newspapers, and none of the other guests

696
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: recognized her. It was those band members that you mentioned. Interesting,

697
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: I thought so too, man. So that's everything I learned

698
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: from Unsolved Mysteries. Should we take a break finally?

699
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: All right, let's take our final break, and we'll talk

700
00:38:35,440 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: a little bit more about her later life and further success.

701
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: All right, So, it's in nineteen twenty eight. At this point,

702
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: she is freshly divorced. She kept that name because you know,

703
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 2: that's the name that made her famous, so it makes

704
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: a lot of sense. And she kept writing novels. She

705
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: traveled on the Orient Express to Bagdad. She got into archaeology,

706
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: just sort of a hobbyist, and made friends with a

707
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: couple who were archaeologists. Went to visit them in nineteen

708
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: thirty and on that trip met a man named Max

709
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 2: Malawan who was also an adventurer and an archaeologist thirteen

710
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: years younger, and they fell in love and got married,

711
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: which is a very very sweet story.

712
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Apparently he was giving her a tour of some

713
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: archaeological sites and he got the car stuck, and she, apparently,

714
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: he said later she made no fuss about it, didn't

715
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: blame him or anything like that, and he said, that's

716
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: about the time when I started to begin to realize

717
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: that you are wonderful. And so they got married, and

718
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: she said later on that the good thing about being

719
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: married to an archaeologist is that the older you get,

720
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: the more interested they become interesting. That's kind of cute.

721
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: So this is when Miss Marple comes along as a

722
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: detective in nineteen thirty with the Murder at the Vicarage.

723
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: That was our first one.

724
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: That was the first Miss Marple book, Okay. And then

725
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: she's traveling around, She's doing these archaeological digs and trips.

726
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 2: She's going to Syria and Iraq. She fell in love

727
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 2: with Syria and the Syrian people, and she's really cranking

728
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: out some big books at this point in the nineteen thirties.

729
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: That's why even on archaeological digs, Chuck, can you imagine

730
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: how uncomfortable it would be to sit and write for

731
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: hours in an archaeological site.

732
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: I can't.

733
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: It would be tough, I would think. And yet she

734
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: was still just as prolific as ever.

735
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, books like Murder and Mesopotamia and Death on the

736
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: Nile and Murder on the Orient Express were all written

737
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: during this period, and this is what really can appulted

738
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 2: her into international superstardom as an author.

739
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: Right. So she and Max stayed together for I think

740
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: forty six years until her death. Actually yeah, I think, yeah,

741
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: she outlived him, so it's pretty sweet. But despite all

742
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: of this kind of adventure and archaeological digs and like

743
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 1: visits to the Middle East, most of her life from

744
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: that point on was in Devonshire, in this tiny little

745
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 1: area in the English countryside, in these the quaint little towns,

746
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: and she gardened and was very involved in local community theater.

747
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: That was her life. She was also one of the biggest,

748
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: most well known, most best selling writers of in the

749
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: world while she was alive, and yet that's what she did.

750
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: She hung out with community theater group in garden. It

751
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: was just her life.

752
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. She got the Dame Commander of the Order of

753
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: the British Empire in nineteen seventy one, and the rights

754
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: to her novels were held by company that she created

755
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: for a long time, and then before she died she

756
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 2: sold part of that off and that's been sort of

757
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: bought and sold a bunch over the years, which is

758
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: kind of how that usually happens. But she did retain

759
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: enough of the company to have it be worth a

760
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: ton of money, which she passed down to her daughter.

761
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: Of course, as her only child. She sort of took

762
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: care of her mother's works for many many years and

763
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: then passed that on to her only child and named

764
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: Matthew Pritchard, who still holds these rights and still sort

765
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: of manages that today.

766
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: That's right. So everything turned out well for Matthew Prichard sounds.

767
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I wish my grandma was Actually I dunt

768
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: because I love my grandma, But sure would it have

769
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: killed her to be an internationally famous author.

770
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: No, it wouldn't, Chuck, and I'm glad we're finally talking

771
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: about it. Been an elephant in the room for a

772
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: very long time.

773
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 2: So she You know, a lot of these went on

774
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 2: to be very famous films, TV series. I think Murder

775
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: on the Orient Express has been a couple of big movies,

776
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: in fact, one a couple of years ago that I

777
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: have not seen.

778
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: It's unwatchable.

779
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: Oh was it really bad?

780
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if you listened to this. Kenneth BROWNO. I

781
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: couldn't make it through the first five minutes.

782
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: Oh wow, it was.

783
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: I didn't like it.

784
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: Okay. Is that all you know?

785
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: I love? Yes? Okay, So that's my report is on

786
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: the first five minutes.

787
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: She very famously has a play called The mouse Trap,

788
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: which is debuted the West End in nineteen fifty two,

789
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 2: and it is the longest running play in the history

790
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: of the West End, which is remarkable.

791
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to make that even sweeter, remember her sister

792
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: who said that she probably couldn't write a mystery novel. Well,

793
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: her sister was the first in the family to get

794
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: a play produced on the West End, but it certainly

795
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: wasn't the longest running play on the West End of

796
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: all time. So she got her back doubly so.

797
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: And then she was hit by a train and Agatha

798
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: Christie laughed and.

799
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: Laughed and poisoned her corpse.

800
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: So we need to talk a little bit here at

801
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: the end. We always like to give everyone's give everyone

802
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: the accolades they deserve, but also point out some of

803
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: the things that weren't so great. We don't want to

804
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: whitewash anything. And she used a lot of kind of

805
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 2: racially insensitive language some would call anti Semitic at times

806
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: anti Catholic through parts of her career, such that the

807
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: Anti Defamation League complained to her agent at one point,

808
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: and because of that, American publishers were given the ability

809
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: to change that stuff out sort of at.

810
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: Will, without any notice given to her. She just she

811
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: didn't know this was going on at all. Yeah, we

812
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: just were like, I don't think the Americans are going

813
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: to go for this. The Brits can barely stand it.

814
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,959
Speaker 1: The Americans definitely aren't going to take this well.

815
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I read a lot about this, and there

816
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 2: are different takes. One take is that the old you know,

817
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: she was a product of her time, thing, which people

818
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: you know rightfully point out. Another is that oftentimes she's

819
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: doing this to show characters are sort of underdeveloped as

820
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: humans and sort of backward. So there's that as well.

821
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: But you also can't dance around the fact that she

822
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: did use some pretty bad words, and you know, we just.

823
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: Got were bad stuff out and they were bad even

824
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: at the time. Yeah, like that it wasn't. Yes, you

825
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: can say, like, yeah, a lot of people had different

826
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: social attitudes toward race and racism, and in that sense,

827
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: she wasn't that much different. But there were cases where

828
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: she was standing well outside of the norm, including in

829
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: book titles and care characters and things like that. And

830
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: one book in particular, and then there were none was

831
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: revised many many times, not just in the US but

832
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: in Great Britain as well. And it's remarkable in that sense.

833
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: But in another sense, it is also remarkable in that

834
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: it's considered pretty widely to have given birth to the

835
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 1: slasher film genre.

836
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: Did you know that I didn't until my bred d say.

837
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 1: It, I yeah, I look this up a little more

838
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: and on its own, and then there were none. The

839
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: book ends Sorry for the spoiler, everybody, but it ends

840
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: with I think all of the suspects killing one another

841
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: and everyone dies. In the stage adaptation of the play

842
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: that she helped write, The Final Girl, a female character

843
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: is left alive and has out done the murderer who's

844
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: come to get her, which is, you know, for the

845
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: formula for any slasher film whatsoever. But there's a bunch

846
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: of other elements in there too, and they're like, you know,

847
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: even on like horror fan Wikis, they point to that

848
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: as like the genuine birth even more than Psycho of

849
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: the slasher film genre.

850
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: Oh.

851
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, it is pretty interesting. Who would have ever

852
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: thought that. I guess Christie, with her non violence and

853
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: poison and occasional racism, would have been the one to

854
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: birth the slasher.

855
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: Film occasional racism. Yeah, and a lot of the racist stuff,

856
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: just to put a final pin on that was a

857
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: lot of it was character descriptions, which can be some

858
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: of the ugliest kinds of stuff like that, because it

859
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: wasn't just like talking about philosophies. It was just like

860
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: literally physically describing a character. Sometimes she would use some

861
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: pretty derogatory language.

862
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. So again, it's a bit like exploring Elizabeth Blackwell

863
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: or any historical characters. Always weird little bugs under the

864
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: rocks you turn over. You know.

865
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: I'm glad we're doing our great work in the time

866
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: of wokeness, right, exactly. No, one can never go back.

867
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: I mean we've made missed ups here and there, but

868
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: they can't go back and talk about when Josh and

869
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 2: Chuck were big racists at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's true. But just wait for twenty years

871
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: from now, they'll be like, I can't believe they talk

872
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: about those guys were ageous bastards, you know.

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Speaker 2: Probably.

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00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: So there's one other thing I want to say too.

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00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 1: So when she lived through World War Two, Agatha Christie

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00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: was worried that she was going to die in the

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00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: bombing blitz of Great Britain, and she really wanted Hercule

878
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: poi Row and Jane Marple's to have a final case,

879
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: so she wrote a book for each of them. One

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00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: is called Curtain that's Paul Roe's final book, and the

881
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: other is Sleeping Murder that is Marple's final case, and

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00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: It just kind of explains what happens to them. I

883
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: believe poor Rowe dies and Marple just retires. But when

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00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: she survived World War Two, she was like, well, I

885
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: don't I'm not ready for these guys to be retired yet.

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00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: So she kept those books and had them posthumously published,

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00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 1: and they were in the seventies. And when Hercule poil

888
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: rose last book came out and he died, the New

889
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: York Times ran a front page obituary for him, the

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00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: only fictional character to have that honor bestowed on them.

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00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: That's crazy, isn't it?

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00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: And also a very cool good idea to write those

894
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 2: books early on, just in case, because you never know. Yeah,

895
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: besides the bombing thing. I mean, she could walk off

896
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: a ledge or get hit by a bus, or die

897
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 2: of natural causes early, like you never know, and then

898
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: you've got this legacy cemented. Right, pretty smart?

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00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen one last thing? I've ever seen

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00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: murdered by death? I know, I've asked you before.

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00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: I have that DVD sitting on my desk.

902
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 1: Well, that's amazing that you have that on your desk,

903
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 1: and you wait, is it on your desk at work?

904
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: It is the wrong place.

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00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: I was going to say, watch it tonight, but don't

906
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: watch it tonight. Wait until everything clear that you're gonna

907
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: love it. No, it's a spoof actually of detective books

908
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: of like Charlie Chan and Agatha Christie and Sam Spade

909
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: and all that that she helped, you know, kind of create.

910
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: But it's actually like a complaint from fans of mystery mysteries.

911
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: It's just a wonderful book. Truman movie, Truman, Capote's in it,

912
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: David Niven, Peter Peter Falkah, a lot of people. James

913
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: Cromwell as a younger man. Oh yeah, James Coco is,

914
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 1: Hercule poil Row. It's just great. You're gonna love it, man.

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00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: So I guess we should say that she did die

916
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 2: eventually five years or three years after I met her

917
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy six, at the age of eighty five,

918
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 2: at her home in Oxfordshire or Oxfordshire, and it was

919
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 2: natural causes, not poison.

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00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: No. Her last words were good to meet you, Chuck,

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00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: you got anything else?

922
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: I do not have anything else?

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00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: Well, friends, that is Agatha Christie. If you want to

924
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: know more about it, the Christie, go start reading. I

925
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: get the Christie books. And since I said Agatha Christie

926
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: like three or four times, it's time for a listener mate.

927
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna call this a letter from a kid,

928
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 2: because we love reading these letters from kids. Hey, guys,

929
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: I've been listening to your podcast for about eight months now,

930
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: and I'd like to say I am a huge fan. Uh.

931
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: This is Emmett. He's ten years old.

932
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love this email.

933
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: My dad is even more of a fan of you

934
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 2: guys than me, and he told me about your podcast.

935
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: I am a huge fan of the Atlanta Falcons and

936
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 2: pretty much everything Atlanta related, including your podcast, which is

937
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 2: weird because I live in Iowa. I love it.

938
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: It is a little weird, though, amit. You're right? I

939
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: love how self aware this guy is.

940
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: I think you know, when you grow up in a

941
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 2: place like Iowa with no professional sports, you you know

942
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: you do that thing where you just pick out a

943
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 2: team in a city.

944
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like the Bay City Rollers. You throw a

945
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: dart at a map and go with it.

946
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 2: That's right. Now, I'm really worried there's a professional team

947
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: in Iowa. But there is not.

948
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: There is not, There are none, right, No need to

949
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: double check that.

950
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: I've been listening to your podcast a ton during this

951
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 2: coronavirus outbreak to keep me from going crazy, and it's worked.

952
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: My birthday is actually coming up, so I'll not be

953
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: able to see my friends or even have a party.

954
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 2: It would be totally awesome and make my year if

955
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: you said happy birthday to me. But I want to

956
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: bet you won't read this on the air.

957
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: That's some fine reverse psychology right there.

958
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 2: Well played, Emmitt. I love your grass podcast, and last

959
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 2: year me and my best friend Oliver started a long

960
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 2: care business and I made enough money to buy Beats

961
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: headphones to listen to your podcast on.

962
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: That is full circle right there.

963
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: That's right, he says. I may ture to wrap this

964
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 2: letter up and spank it all the bottom before I

965
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: sent it, so happy happy big I guess eleventh birthday, Emmet,

966
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: best to your dad, Hello Oliver and everyone there in Atlanta, Iowa.

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00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, happy birthday, Emit. That reverse psychology worked. Man. If

968
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: you want to get in touch with us like Emmett did,

969
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: and see if I'll wish you a happy birthday, I'll

970
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: bet we won't. But who can tell them these crazy times?

971
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: You can get in touch with us via email. Wrap

972
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: it up? Spank it on the bottom and send it

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00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: off to stuff podcast at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For

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Speaker 2: more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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